The confusion might have came from the base GT having 600 ft-lbs of torque and the GT Performance Edition having 634 ft-lbs. Both have the same "targeted" 480HP. Also note the GTs will have 245mm width tires which probably accounts for most of the GT's range loss. However, some of that is going to be the increased losses from spinning the GT's larger front motor and associated larger gears, bearings, etc. AWD Tesla's pretty much all get the same "large" size motor in the front and rears whereas the non GT mach e's get the little 50kW motor from the focus ev up front for AWD and the GTs get the big 250kW motor front and rear. Therefore, I suspect most of the acceleration differences in the tesla performance models vs the non performance AWD models is just software.
We've had ours for a week (AWD Premium 2022). I've noticed early reviews are not really representing the current experience. The car has indeed been refined via software... and has the best balanced interior of any car I've driven. Range estimates have been accurate... which is not common among electric vehicles. I'm beyond impressed. Don't leave this car out of consideration.
name is irrelevant. people need to stop talking about the name. it looks mustang-ish in the front, it's fast, great looking, has actual dealer support, and works great! nuff said.
Just for what it's worth, I love this car but could never sell the wife on it because it has mustang logos all over it and she has a negative view on "mustang owners" so will never own one. The name is poor because not only does it turn off "mustang owners" who have pride in the name (which I don't care about, by the way), but it also turns away people who don't want to own a "mustang". You could make the best EV in the world be a Camero and you'd still have a huge base of people who would never touch it because they don't want to be associated with the name. Just my .02
Great review; very thorough. I am still a huge fan PHEVs. I have had three Volts (still have one), a Fusion energi and now a Cadillac CT6 plug in. Benefits: our gasoline consumption is nominal compared to anyone driving an ICE vehicle (well over 100 MPG) , we can go weeks without using gas, we get the terrific feel of electric driving, and we never have to think about a charging station. I think the pure EVs out there like the Mach-E are awesome vehicles and I am sure I will have one someday. But until charging stations are everywhere, I am still partial to PHEVs. When our Volt is ready to call it a day (90,000 miles right now and still going strong), a car like the RAV4 Prime, Escape Plug In or Niro Plug In are very enticing.
Brilliant idea. Although honestly, Ford should have made a convertible 2-door electric Thunderbird. The Mustang Mach-E is just an incredibly blandly-styled hatchback in a sea of other bland electric hatchbacks, so the "mustang" name attachment just feels like a money grab without any reason to be attached.
Not sure the Thunderbird has good brand recognition or a good reputation from the last iteration, but using the Mustang name makes little sense. They do own a bunch of European Ford names they could use. Mondeo could have worked, as well as Tourneo, Scorpio, Granada, or any of the old Mercury names.
I am model y owner and thank you for putting together this wonderful unbiased review. You covered everything and all pros and cons without sugar coating anything. Well done.
Canceled my ID.4 1st Edition and got a Toyota RAV4 Prime SE. Driven as an EV 90% of the time. I feel that it is a great value because I have both ICE and EV in one vehicle
Hands down this was the most informational video on the mach-e I've seen so far and I just placed an order for a fully loaded GT. Thanks for helping me make the decision between GT and Model Y
I think the EA charging issue with the Mach-E can be tracked back to the Plug and Charge protocol. I'm not talking about the charging curve, which seems to be just wrong, but the random disconnects that plague the Mach-E. If you watch Out of Spec Motoring's Los Angeles to Fort Collins return trip, he used his EA account to charge rather than the Plug and Charge process and didn't have the random drop outs (just the typical EA fails). Also, as he noted, with Plug and Charge, you don't get any benefit of your EA account, so you always pay the higher prices. That's something they should also look into, somehow linking EA accounts and Plug and Charge so you get the benefits. But the problem with Plug and Charge is probably related to authorization pings back and forth between the Station and the Vehicle. Too much lag most likely. Learned than a long time ago when the company I worked for was developing authorization packets for TV electronic program guides.
It's getting pretty rave reviews from most of the reviewers I've watched. It's kind of like Mach-E, Polestar 2, and the Teslas are all good competitive vehicles.
This is one of these first cars, in my adult life, that I noticed and sought out info on what it was. I was all in to the Tesla model y but this is absolutely on my list now. Very cool car and great review. Thank you!
My choice would be RAV4 or Prius Prime. I like the efficiency advantages you outlined so well in a previous video. You get EV advantages around town and commuting daily with no range anxiety. Keep up the great work!
@@teslascoop2177 my mom did test drive the model 3 dual motor, ended up buying the mustang, Reason, was turned off by the idea of screen in the middle for everything, even to open the glove box, steering adjustments etc, If you got a glitch on the screen, which is bound to happen , Yes car will be riding a Flat Bed Tow Truck. She Loves the Mustang screens. Way more driver intuit
Agreed. I think the point Alex made about environmental impact is a good one. If you look at the typical miles / day usage, then taking a MachE battery from 1 car and splitting into 4 Rav4 Primes likely has a larger positive environmental impact.
I had two plug in hybrid earlier, volt and and Honda clarity. They are very economic but not good for best of both world. No power at all. I din't try Toyota RAV4 since it has lot power. But EV range is 42mi. Like me my one way drive is 40mi.
The 270 mile range for the Mach E AWD eats deeply into the low end reserve leaving only 7.3 miles of range at 0% indicated. That compares to 25.9 miles for the Model 3 AWD. The Mach E AWD efficiency is about equal to a Tesla Model X Performance. I think giving it an A- on economy is very generous of you.
Yes, biased. Also.mach e ground clearance is similar to model 3. Model y had about a 1 inch higher ground clearance, significant wider tires and still more efficient
Hi Alex, I'm really getting lots of valuable information from your auto reviews. I bought a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Blue on April 12th, and I'm loving it. This was greatly assisted by your analysis of several current HEVs on the market. Ultimately, I was able to purchase a 2020 Ioniq Blue, which was still new, for about $23,000. I felt this was the most MPGs for the least money. I also was avoiding the risk of going into used HEVs. I'm delighted to report that, after about 6 weeks of commuting with my Ioniq, I'm averaging over 61 mpg. Thanks again for your concise analysis and comparisons. Derek Nelson, Olympia WA
If you are kicking out 43 + US for a car, you can call it what ever the hell you want. I don't think Ford gives a damn as long as that bag reaches their account.
We're in the process of ordering the Escape PHEV now for similar reasons as you mention for the RAV4, replacing a 2.0 Escape AWD. I have my dino juice burning AWD SUV already (Edge ST), but I work remotely, so my spouse is getting the PHEV. The electric range will more than cover her commute, and for long road trips it's far more practical - plus, you can fit our large dogs in the back, while neither the Model Y nor the Mach E can do that. After having test driven the RAV4, Forester, CRV, and other options recently, the Escape drives like a much more premium vehicle, and having all of our vehicles from one manufacturer simplifies maintenance, phone apps, and they all have controls in the same place. So when my spouse drives my car, or I drive hers, there's almost no cognitive dissonance and switching time - something that when you have a multi-vehicle household ends up being kind of a big deal.
I've never had an issue with having multiple cars in a household. We currently have 2 Fords, a Mercedes, and an Audi. I can't say either my wife or I have ever had any issue with remembering control locations.
As for this vs. RAV4 Prime, I personally would go for the Mach-E. I currently drive a Prius Prime. What I appreciate most about it, as Alex has also pointed out, is that it is a *super-efficient car* , arguably more than a great PHEV: 4.6 miles/KWh and 55MPH on gas. Its 25-30-mile EV range is sufficient for my daily commute given that I can charge at work (and I can). The RAV4 Prime looks really excellent for a PHEV, but it’s (necessarily) not as efficient as the Prius Prime. I’d prefer to go full-electric than to take a cut in efficiency.
Nice review Alex. I will say I understand your argument that PHEV solutions use a lot less batteries which are a constrained resource; however, I go electric for two main reasons. 1. Be environmentally friendly 2. Have a low maintenance solution And all that instant torque , maybe free workplace charging or cheeper electricity than gasoline. But it’s number 2 that is not simplified. I don’t want a combination engine to worry about in addition to an electric powertrain. That goes for the Toyota RAV4 Prime or the Porsche Cayenne S E Hybrid. 😃
We have a Honda Clarity PHEV with 47 miles of EV range. We drive 50-70 miles per weekday, charging between drives. The only time the gas engine comes on is for out of town trips which total about 20 days per year. This is environmentally friendly (oh we also only charge at home using solar) and is low maintenance as we change the oil once per year.
I think the idea that the Mach E is disturbing to Mustang fans is only a small percentage of American car owners. Most people don't even know about the characteristics that have limited Mustang designs. I think Ford made a good decision to give this car a Mustang brand name. Furthermore I actually think the Mach E is elevating the brand and extending the name farther into the future than it would have without the Mach E being added. At this point, were I interested in a BEV, I would definitely consider a Mach E.
The quality of information in your videos is so dang good, thanks for this video. I have a Rapid Red First Edition Mach-E so this was so great to watch. Keep up the great vids!
@@김동준-t9p Have you even read the zero to 60 times on the Mach-E? You are out of your league buddy. In knowledge and vehicles! Any BEV insufficient horsepower will blow away almost any ICE vehicle based on infinite torque at the starting line alone. A claim is only a bullshit claim until you have the facts. Post a video of a race or post the 0 to 60 times, the quarter mile times, etc.
Love your reviews and thought the dictionary entry was pretty funny. I’m amazed at how well you continue to spit facts while driving and without a lot of obvious editing. If I understand correctly, though, the high capacity plugs for each line are proprietary. If we’re ever going to really get this going everyone is going to need to cooperate with the charging station thing.
Great review as usual Alex. I do wish that when doing the car comparisons that you would always include the actual ground clearance and what they do (or don't) do for the spare tire. To me, ground clearance and spare tire are major factors favoring the RAV4 prime.
This was such a great and thorough review. Thanks! We just moved to a place where we’ll need a second car... a family car with our toddler. I think a mach-e is going to be the way to go!
I really wish they had a legit HUD on this system. I get that the dash isn't too far out of our main FOV. But I absolutely adore the HUD on my Mazda where I never take my eyes off the road for basic stats.
Alex, great video! The last few minutes talking about the RAV4 are exactly where I find myself. Looking for a logical replacement for a 10 year old Prius V and trying to justify the extra cost of EV over PHEV. I think the MachE is the closest step to making the jump rational for myself. Looks like the RAV4 Limited built up to comparable specs (assuming I could order one) for systems is about $5000 less than the standard battery MachE Premium. The fact that Toyota dealers in my area are charging an adjusted price of $2000-5000, narrows the gap and savings in “fuel” could be the advantage as we go over $4/gal for gas. Not an easy decision as I approach an near $60,000 purchase. I appreciate what you shared.
19:00 the more real buttons the better. Doing everything on an ipad takes your eyes off the road. Touch is one human sense that Tesla has removed from the equation. I think it limits you as a driver because you need to look at the ipad to do stuff rather than having your eyes on the road while your fingers recognise buttons. But that's just me.
Regarding plug-in hybrids: I've owned a Chevy Volt for four years and love it. But, my next car will be fully electric. I rarely go on long road trips, and I love the driving feel and ownership experience of electric so much more than ICE that I'm willing to put up with the minor charging inconveniences on those rare occasions that I do.
For me a BEV is overkill for around town where 250 miles of range just isn't needed. On the other hand stopping every 200 miles for 40 minutes to charge makes it not a good road car either. PHEV is the right balance for our family. Our once or twice per year road trips are 550 miles each way. Start a BEV with a full battery, stop to charge 40 minutes at 200 miles, stop again at 400 miles for 40 minutes. This turns a 10 hour trip into a 11 and 1/2 hour trip. All this assumes I could find a high power charge station that is not occupied or broken. I'll switch from our PHEV to a BEV when charge times are under 15 minutes, more like filling a gas tank. Still it will feel wasteful driving our typical 50 to 70 miles per day with a car that is designed for 250 miles of range. Charging at home makes all the difference because we start with a full charge every morning. Not like an ICE car where we have to go to a gas station.
@@johndonaldson5126 We're almost there now with the Model 3 LR. For example, Seattle to Grants Pass, OR is 419 miles. According to ABetterRoutePlanner, all it takes is one 24 minute charging stop in Salem, OR (7hr 15 min total trip time including charging). Make that your lunch and bathroom break stop, and you've lost little if any time.
I’ve had my Volt for about five years. We picked up a used Fiat 500e as an extra vehicle as well. I think that Volkswagen, Ford, and Tesla have compelling all electric vehicles right now. We went with a model Y around the first of this year. 10,000 miles later (including 1, 2000 mile road trip), and have no regrets. My wife is not a car person, yet she drives it more than I do at the moment. Every three days or so, she tells me how much she loves it. Cracks me up!
Another great review Alex. I agree with you on PHEV and what I have been choosing based on living in Northern NY where charge stations are sparse and winters are really cold. I just sold my 2018 Volt and bought a 2022 Santa Fe PHEV Limited and love it but would like to see a review from you to get your opinion.
Very good review. I own a Chevy Volt and plan on switching to a full EV in a year or two. You make a compelling argument for PHEVs for right now at the end. Although it was not necessary with the Volt which has a gas generator, I took it on a multi day trip and attempted to plug in to recover the limited EV range at night. Two of the three nights I stopped, I ran into broken chargers and could not charge my car. Not a big deal for a PHEV but it makes me very gun shy about buying a full EV that is not a Tesla until the charging infrastructure is more robust on the east coast. It will get there. I think you make a good point about Tesla being like Apple and other car makers being like Android. Android was somewhat of a fiasco back in the day but has now developed into a robust platform that is less expensive and fine for most people (this coming from an Apple user).
I’m seriously considering the gt version, I drove one and was quite impressed by the whole experience. I wanted to reserve judgment till I saw one in person and drove it and was very pleasantly surprised.
I have to say, as a TESLA owner (M3 and MY), this is a great looking car! I’ve seen a few in the wild now and they do turn heads...Glad to hear you found the seats comfortable on long trips. They are fairly soft compared to some like BMW seats and I usually find soft seats to be terrible over long trips. I was bummed there is no tilt adjustment. Other than that complaint, I really thought the car was excellent and I would get it over the TESLA as long as they get the CCS charging errors fixed!!! Winner!
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough HAD a BMW 328d and an X5. My X5 had the super 21-way adjustable seats and were AWESOME...sold them both, as well as the Model Y...now own a Model 3, CRV, and Niro PHEV....
Mach is crap, model Y has better in every aspect, I saw many videos about mach, its slower, lower ground clearance, autopilot is crap, quality of materials is poor, and awd versions is too slow or has little range
I still think that for most people if they had 80 to 100 miles of EV Range plug-in hybrid that would be perfect, they could drive almost 100% on EV except for road trips and not worry about range anxiety and that means more people would just go with EV’s for their next car
Love the take on efficiency versus the obsession with range. I couldn’t wait for the Mach-e so I leased an e-Tron. I get about 2.5 miles per kWh, and I really feel that every time I have to recharge it. It’s kinda of a guzzler for an EV. 😂😂
It might be an electron guzzler but it is the best looking EV Crossover on the market, IMO. It does undoubtedly have the best interior of any EV Crossover out there, and one of the best infotainment and climate control systems in any EV. How do you like your eTron? Has it been reliable?
@@Jbiglin Yes, I really love the car. I agree it is one of the best looking EVs out there. When I am walking up to it, I can’t help but stare at my own car. The power train is very reliable, but I have had infotainment crashes that require turning off the car and turning it back on. The lane keep is pretty aggressive and doesn’t like cars parked on the side of the street. It mainly looks for lines on the ground, so when I try to move away from parked cars, it fights to center me in the lane.
Extremely thorough video ❤️ Loving this car! I’m amazed at your ability to speak ‘on your feet’ 😳 I’m a content creator myself and I would have to edit out a lot of ums if I tried to just list off so much info 🤣🤣 Impressive 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I bought Honda Clarity plug-in and completely illuminated my wife’s daily driving on gas. Driving on trips on gas. Don’t worry about charging. The car self charges to 60 % for daily driving in town. We love it. When Honda comes out with a EV CRV I be in
You did a good job of emphasizing 80% charge because Ford stops DC Fast Charging at 80% and that is significant. Significant as it is no faster than L2 at 80%+ (12 kWh) I would hope they lift that restriction to at least 90% because range contributes far to flexibility than charging stations. Seeing that it has a larger battery than the Model Y I am confused why they felt the need to clip the fast charge so early. Points in its favor. That keypad to enter/exit the car. Always loved that on Fords Glass roof nicely blended into the look Blended braking, something Telsa needs. CCS is the future It is a real designed as an EV It is not a Bolt No wasted time on adding video games and dumb fart stuff Points against. 80% limit on Fast Charging (this is inexcusable) Too many buttons UI felt sluggish at times Navigation needs work Lack of exciting colors other than First Edition and GTs
I don’t think blended braking is the way to go. Braking should be done via 1 pedal with a hydraulic only brake pedal. Blended braking is only necessary because people can’t be bothered to learn something new.
You are really the "go-to" resource for vehicle information and comparisons. On the Mach-E, has Ford given out any information on when a towing package will be available and what the Mach E towing capacity may be?
Polestar 2 has had the plug and charge set up with ChargePoint for about a month so it's difficult to say for sure who was first. Seems like they both happened in March. It's also interesting that you didn't have the P2 listed on any of the comparison stats when it is clearly in the same size class and is also offering various drivetrain configurations (currently in Europe but soon for the US).
Living in the rural southwest, I would prefer a PHEV. Love my Ford Fusion hybrid and would have loved another. The Mach e is very attractive but I travel to other rural areas with long distances of desert or mountains. My range anxiety would bother me. Thanks for such a detailed review .
The supercharger network that TESLA has is one of the reasons why I'm buying s Tesla, i can hit the road from Day 1 of purchase, without feeling the lack of charger for non tesla cars.
If you believe that there is a lack of non-Tesla chargers but there is no lack of superchargers, you are going to be quite disappointed when you buy a Tesla. I say that as someone who owns both a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV.
About the name, if you really want to get into it.. was the Mustang II a mustang? It was underpowered, Was the foxbody a mustang? It does not look like a mustang. Is the GT trim a mustang? Do you really grand tour in a muscle car and what about the real mustangs in name alone the i4s and V6es? Point is the Mach-E is just as much a Mustang as them because it's not underpowered, it looks like a mustang and the only issue is four doors which my 2020 Ecoboost premium could use to make using the back seats easier. Which yes the third muscle car to exist had four doors and was called the Rambler Rebel.
I've got nothing against Plug-In Hybrids, but I feel like they only make sense for people who live in their own residence. PHEV's make sense if you're using the gas tank mainly for long distance trips and recharge the battery every time you deplete it. If you don't, you may as well buy a regular hybrid or go full-electric (so that you don't have to recharge as frequently). Personally, I think it'd be cool if you did a direct comparison between RAV4 Prime & Mach-E, and compare things like - price (of a comparably equipped model of the RAV4 Prime) - cost of operation (tied to fuel economy) - ride quality - acceleration / ease of passing on the freeway - handling - cabin noise - ride quality My intuition is that operating costs, acceleration, and cabin noise would all go in favor of the Mach-E, and price would go in favor of the RAV4 prime, but not sure about the others.
FYI the mobile connector 240V adapter uses a nema 14-50 outlet, which is most often used for electric ranges and 50 amp RVs. Dryers typically use 30A outlets which aren't sufficient for the 32A the mobile EVSE can pull.
Looking at the Electrify America stations in my 200-ish mile area there are a LOT of single charging stations. Just something to keep in mind. From what I've seen there's a decent chance the station won't work (or someone else might be using it). Just something to to look at if you are considering.
I’m very definitely interested in the long-range version of the Mach-E, so thanks for the review - super-thorough and -objective as usual! Other than not providing ventilated seats, really like the interior! Tesla has totally “gone bye-bye” in their interior design - solving oodles of “problems” that never existed in the first place, and causing new, real problems, with a minimalist vibe that nobody asked for in the first place! Tactile-feel switches and knobs go into the “+” column of your spreadsheet, not the “-“ column! Tesla, please stop making our lives harder by trying to make them easier! Providing optional automation is superb, and you do it amazingly well, but stop making basic driving, infotainment (etc.) features hard to get to!
4:47 Wait the 0-60 in 6.5 seconds 259 mile range sold in 50 states Bolt EV is considered a compliance vehicle? I'd agree on Spark EV, Fiat 500e, Focus EV but idk about the Bolt. I mean what are the sub 8 seconds to 60, Sub 200 mile EVs considered then?
I think that's fair - when the Bolt came out, it was the only car with a 200 mile range that cost under $40,000. But on the flip side, GM made some questionable choices with the Bolt, if they really wanted it to sell well. DC fast charging cost extra, very cheap looking interior (which you expect in a $20,000 car and not a $38,000 car), and narrow seats. (Also, compact vehicles aren't very popular in the US)
@@Isaac-un4cn that shouldn't make it fall into compliance car territory though also with over $10500 incentive avaliable nationwide to any new Bolt ev customer with additional plenty of large discounts avaliable as well the car is closing in on the mid to high 20s rather than high 30s as just looking at the MSRP would suggest. However even then does that make it a compliance car? simple interior and non segment leading DC charge rate may be its weak suits but affordability and segment leading range with respectable performance for the sub 40k EVs yeah maybe it's not the growing sales car segment but so isn't the Leaf, the Model 3, Ioniq, Kona, Soul, Niro, i3. Do these all of a sudden fall into compliance car terroritory? Maybe some are more compliancy than others but I don't think so heck it's so close to the crown jewel of the segment, the Model 3 in some specs for a good 30-35% less money compliance just doesn't sit well
@@AmperageY It's not complying well to keeping people alive and not burning up! Too many have caught fire and now GM is having to replace the entire battery on all the Bolts! Typical crap GM NONquality. I will never buy a GM EV.
@@teemcshanney8910 16 out of ~110k made have been confirmed to catch on fire. In 2018 out of the 279.1 million registered vehicles in the USA and ~212500 vehicle fires were confirmed by the NFPA subtract the less than 20 electric vehicle fires and the likely hood of an non-BEV vehicle is still over x3 more likely to occur than a vehicle with a known defect. If this is your complaint against GM quality you have a few more brands to avoid too.
Worse than MySpace actually. MySpace Tom knew enough to cash-in early and check out. The dude’s been island hoping for 16 years. Elon doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere anytime soon.
1:33 I would argue that its not COMPLETELY defeating since while you are driving alone and not carpooling, you are not adding extra exhaust fumes to the air since it's an electric vehicle. Key word here is completely.
Beautiful car, weird name Regarding future Ford products, if Ford wants to make an electric Ford Mustang Coupé I’m totally fine with that If Ford wants to make a Mustang Sedan they should call it the Ford Falcon ;-) This should be simply the Mach E.
Currently in Southern California you can lease a Kia Niro EV EX Premium for $350 a month on a 36 month lease. That is cheap beyond belief for a really good EV. Just thought you should know.
Saw one of these in the wild yesterday. It was pulling out of a parking lot driveway as I drove by, so I saw the side profile followed by the front end. From the side, I thought it was an import SUV, but the front made me think someone slapped a Mustang logo onto one of those things. I was thoroughly confused. Glad I found this video today.
An anecdotal thought on PHEVs: My 2019 Chrysler PHEV is a great minivan. Plugged in nightly it allows most of a day's daily commuting to be electric. And on long trips, the first segment can be a little longer before just switching to gas to get to the destination. It was a great gateway to experience EV ownership. After almost two years, the sting of a PHEV is that all the annoyances of gas cars are still there. Besides fueling, there are still oil changes, filters, emissions testing. And there will be timing belts, sparkplugs, and distributor caps down the road. If you heavily use the motor over the gas engine, the Pacifica's computer will eventually force the gas engine to be the sole propulsion for about a day to make certain the engine gets a healthy cycle time. I do like the Pacifica, and don't regret getting it. But if I had an option for a pure EV minivan for the family, I would have preferred that.
Just to add on to this comment for the RAV4 Prime - you do need oil changes + engine filter changes but you can get away with fewer of these than normal gas cars (recommended - 10k/1 year but probably could get away with less if you're >70% electric). + emissions testing. Spark plugs are at 120k, which I have not managed to drive in my adult life so far and timing chains are a lifetime part. This adds up to ~1-2 garage visits per year.
My dislike of hybrid systems is they seem like they are more complicated to deal with in the long run. I want to go all out EV. I just don’t have the ability to charge at home. Also, still need a sub 35 price point that isn’t a base model, heh.
Hybrid, at least the Toyota and Ford systems that have been out for years, have been quite reliable...probably more reliable than the average car with an automatic or CVT transmission. I wouldn’t worry about that at all. Right now, hybrid is the best solution for apartment dwellers, IMO.
Excellent comprehensive review! I appreciated the Apple / Windows parallel comparison. Seems to ring very true. Very good system, but integration falls off when working with outside resources. If it’s my money, AND I live in California, where the charging network is more complete, even for non-T, I’m getting a comfortable long-range EV. Drivetrain simplicity will be FAR less service and good longevity, esp compared to PHEV which has TWO drive systems and has to be charged daily (more battery wear, more range loss). Still looking for one with a heat pump though!!
On the question of the front trunk. I use my Tesla for Uber driving but need to keep the rear trunk for passenger luggage so I keep my own personal stuff in the front trunk.
Regarding the extra time to charge above 80%, this delay can impact the performance buyers out there. EV's make substantially more power the closer to 100% than they do closer to 0%. If you're planning to track a car, you know your day is done at 30% and many feel it's all over at 50%. It's one more reason you want a large battery and fast charging.
I love my plug in Rav the build quality is one of the best in the industry and the 40 mile ev range does meet most daily use needs. It is based on a proven platform and I believe my cost of ownership will be better because of high resale value.
What is a typical range for EV? My daily commute is 50 miles round trip and fortunately I can catch most of my errands without going out of the way much. Plus I live in a cold climate.
@@SammyMaeQ in your situation, I’d recommend either a used 2nd gen Volt or a Honda Clarity PHEV. I’ve owned the Volt for 5 years now and it handles my 30+ mile round trip commute plus errands beautifully. Great car, well built and solid. An excellent example of what GM is capable of if their execs get out of the way of their engineers.
World Class Review! A new EV owner can drive this car out of the dealers lot without any learning curve, Tesla you have to get familiar with the touch screen
Superchargers and DCFC are not as important as people make them out to be as long as you're realistic with your daily commute. I've owned an EV with DCFC capabilities for almost 3 yrs and I've only used it 4 times. Most of your charging can be done at home and if you drive less than 60 miles a day, you can get away with the 120volt charger.
@@naughtysauce4323 Supercharging is VERY expensive. I don’t know why most people think it’s cheap or free, except for the few Tesla S and X owners. Running proper 240v, 50amp lines into your garage to charge your car is also not free.
@@afcgeo882 Exactly, but dumb people that don't have a garage and are living in apartments the prohibit EV charging are the only ones that need the superchargers. But hey at least they have a Tesla lol.
@@naughtysauce4323 I’m one of those “dumb people” I guess, but then I drive a hybrid, not an EV. How does me living in a city apartment make me dumb again? I’m pretty sure my three university degrees don’t. People who have no access to overnight chargers don’t but EV’s, I assure you of that.
@@afcgeo882 I'm talking about people that buy BEV's and Plug ins with no way of charging them and then having to depend on fast chargers just to be able to get to work. That's why people have to honest with themselves if plugging in a vehicle is the right decision for them and if it isn't, then there are plenty of great hybrids out there.
The two top picks for us is the RAV4 Prime and Mach-E. Though as one of us has a ICE, we will just use that for road trips. My wife picked the Mach-E as she likes it better after we drove both that and the Prime.
That's the biggest issue I have with the Mustang other than unknown reliability. I looked up the charging networks near me in the Detroit area. Insufficient to say the least. And I would use it for ubering. So until it gets longer range, really fast charging, a much larger and close by number of charging stations that work extremely well with very few glitches, plus known reliability on consumer reports, I'm not in yet. Although it is the most gorgeous, sexy, beautiful and overall impressive BEV to me so far!
Ahhh, yes, beyond the incredible performance, intoxicating torque, great handling, incredible reliability, virtually zero routine maintenance, and much lower cost-to-own, they are more convenient for commuting than an ICE. None of the anxieties associated with owning a petrol car. No accessory belts, no alternators, no power steering pumps or fluids, no mechanical water pumps or engine coolant systems to leak, no spark plugs, plug wires, coil packs, or ignition control modules, no fuel injectors, fuel filters, fuel pumps, or fuel injection control modules, no engine oil, oil pumps or oil filters, no PCV valves, no MAF or other Air/Fuel metering systems, sensors or control modules, no transmissions or transmission fluids, no engine air filters, no expensive brake jobs every 40k miles (EV’s largely use regenerative braking so the conventional hydraulic brakes last much, much longer), no need to waste hours sitting in customer lounges several times every year waiting for oil changes and other maintenance required for gas and diesel vehicles, no starter or starter battery to let you down on those sub-zero mornings (EVs do have a small 12V battery but it’s essentially for the cars accessories), no fear of cold morning starting (EVs don’t need to be started, they can be counted on to power up and go every time even when more than -30F down), no O2 sensors, no exhaust pipes, no mufflers or catalytic converters, essentially no emissions control systems of any kind and finally, NO EMISSIONS TESTING EVER! Nearly all EV owners have the option of refueling (charging) at home so as daily commuters they will likely never have to stop at a public charging station. EV owners don’t need to stop at filthy gasoline stations, especially nasty on those sub-zero winter mornings. They won't have to touch a filler nozzle that’s already been handled by dozens of hacking, mouth-breathing, snot-nosed ICE owners (you know, the guy that just took his morning constitutional in a WaWa bathroom that had no toilet tissue). For commuter purposes, you can’t beat being able to refuel (recharge) at home. Only 2 seconds of your day required to refuel. One second to plug it in before going to bed and one second to unplug it in the morning. Full tank every morning with far more range than the average commuter can possibly use in a day, warmed and defrosted before opening the garage door. IMHO, unless you're among the few US drivers that need more than 50 miles each day an EV is a far more convenient option.
I’m interested to see what other variants Ford does with this drivetrain. I’d like to see something super boxy and practical-like a Transit Connect EV. People who do outdoor hobbies (cycling, climbing, camping, surfing, etc.) would eat that up. I’m personally not a big fan of all the “weirdness” that seems to come with the new crop of EV’s...giant screen that includes HVAC controls, non opening sunroof, small hatch are.
Great video! Sounds like Ford did a good job at making a serious EV. Sad to hear that CCS charging even on the newest EV can still be unreliable and points out how well thought out Tesla planned their whole EV approach. I'm very interested to see if VW has issues charging at EA chargers or other chargers that support CCS. Also curious about GM and EVgo partnership to see if there will be charging issues with them as well. With the size of the newer battery packs and not so reliable charging experiences if I were looking to replace my Subaru Outback I'd lean toward the RAV4 Prime. Since we're retired now and making mostly short trips of 16 miles or less a day, the 42 mile electric only range works very well while still giving a typical ICE vehicle road trip 'range and convince. BTW, I did purchase a full BEV in a 2016 Chevy Spark EV for all those short trip duties and really love it and while I average 5.5 miles per kWh I experience too many DCFC charging issues some I charge at home on level 1. The only other issue with my mini EV is that I enjoy driving it so much I'd like to take longer drives than the DCFC charging infrastructure in my area provides especially in light of potential charging issues. BTW, very cute to have the 'My Little Pony' tune on the infotainment screen, is that required listening whilst driving a 'Mustang, 😆
Great review. Most interesting comment was your last one, about buying a RAV4 prime for yourself as a longer term purchase. I just ordered a leaf sv plus for our around town second car, and looking at a Toyota hybrid for road trip car, perhaps the Venza, too much premium on RAV4 prime. We rented a leaf on Touro for 3 days, which is a great way to go before buying. BTW, we do keep cars for a while. The leaf will replace a 2001 Forester.
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Correction: The GT is 480 HP, not 600.
The confusion might have came from the base GT having 600 ft-lbs of torque and the GT Performance Edition having 634 ft-lbs. Both have the same "targeted" 480HP.
Also note the GTs will have 245mm width tires which probably accounts for most of the GT's range loss. However, some of that is going to be the increased losses from spinning the GT's larger front motor and associated larger gears, bearings, etc.
AWD Tesla's pretty much all get the same "large" size motor in the front and rears whereas the non GT mach e's get the little 50kW motor from the focus ev up front for AWD and the GTs get the big 250kW motor front and rear. Therefore, I suspect most of the acceleration differences in the tesla performance models vs the non performance AWD models is just software.
HOW ABOUT A POLL. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A 0-60 IN 4 SECONDS WITH A 300 MILE RANGE OR 0-60 IN 7 SECONDS WITH A 500 MILE RANGE? BOTH WITH AWD
@@belowme4927 Seven second with the 500 mile range would be more practical for everyday use.
@@belowme4927 why not 5 seconds and 900 miles of range since we're just making stuff up?
Thought you had a scoop for a minute there!
The intro makes me feel like I'm about to watch an educational video from the 80s.
LOL Brilliant! I am always thinking that when I watch his reviews. Retro for sure.
Agreed. Hoping he will change it (and shorten it significantly) one of these days...
@@Jbiglin he did. It was more 80s until maybe a year ago
@@allyhanna2573 this guy likes to spend his review time in the weeds. Not much big picture insight.
Yes!! Love it
"Mustang stung by a bee." This is the best description of this car I've heard yet!
I'm still partial to the Mach-RE
We've had ours for a week (AWD Premium 2022). I've noticed early reviews are not really representing the current experience. The car has indeed been refined via software... and has the best balanced interior of any car I've driven. Range estimates have been accurate... which is not common among electric vehicles. I'm beyond impressed. Don't leave this car out of consideration.
only reviewer that test cabin noise... well appreciated nvh.
name is irrelevant. people need to stop talking about the name. it looks mustang-ish in the front, it's fast, great looking, has actual dealer support, and works great! nuff said.
And most will just call it the Mach-E anyway
IKR! Porsche has a version of the Taycan called the Turbo S even though it's fully electric and has no turbos!
Just for what it's worth, I love this car but could never sell the wife on it because it has mustang logos all over it and she has a negative view on "mustang owners" so will never own one. The name is poor because not only does it turn off "mustang owners" who have pride in the name (which I don't care about, by the way), but it also turns away people who don't want to own a "mustang". You could make the best EV in the world be a Camero and you'd still have a huge base of people who would never touch it because they don't want to be associated with the name. Just my .02
@@insainllama yep, including my insurance company lol. Mustang nowhere to be found on the insurance card. Simply a Ford Mach-E
Great review; very thorough. I am still a huge fan PHEVs. I have had three Volts (still have one), a Fusion energi and now a Cadillac CT6 plug in. Benefits: our gasoline consumption is nominal compared to anyone driving an ICE vehicle (well over 100 MPG) , we can go weeks without using gas, we get the terrific feel of electric driving, and we never have to think about a charging station. I think the pure EVs out there like the Mach-E are awesome vehicles and I am sure I will have one someday. But until charging stations are everywhere, I am still partial to PHEVs. When our Volt is ready to call it a day (90,000 miles right now and still going strong), a car like the RAV4 Prime, Escape Plug In or Niro Plug In are very enticing.
IMO they should have brought back the Thunderbird name and had that be their electric line.
That’s actually brilliant
Brilliant idea. Although honestly, Ford should have made a convertible 2-door electric Thunderbird. The Mustang Mach-E is just an incredibly blandly-styled hatchback in a sea of other bland electric hatchbacks, so the "mustang" name attachment just feels like a money grab without any reason to be attached.
Maybe Edsel ?
Not sure the Thunderbird has good brand recognition or a good reputation from the last iteration, but using the Mustang name makes little sense. They do own a bunch of European Ford names they could use. Mondeo could have worked, as well as Tourneo, Scorpio, Granada, or any of the old Mercury names.
Should have been the GALAXI - E!
I am model y owner and thank you for putting together this wonderful unbiased review. You covered everything and all pros and cons without sugar coating anything. Well done.
Canceled my ID.4 1st Edition and got a Toyota RAV4 Prime SE. Driven as an EV 90% of the time. I feel that it is a great value because I have both ICE and EV in one vehicle
Just not a $24K RAV4 for $45K!
Hands down this was the most informational video on the mach-e I've seen so far and I just placed an order for a fully loaded GT. Thanks for helping me make the decision between GT and Model Y
I think the EA charging issue with the Mach-E can be tracked back to the Plug and Charge protocol. I'm not talking about the charging curve, which seems to be just wrong, but the random disconnects that plague the Mach-E. If you watch Out of Spec Motoring's Los Angeles to Fort Collins return trip, he used his EA account to charge rather than the Plug and Charge process and didn't have the random drop outs (just the typical EA fails). Also, as he noted, with Plug and Charge, you don't get any benefit of your EA account, so you always pay the higher prices. That's something they should also look into, somehow linking EA accounts and Plug and Charge so you get the benefits.
But the problem with Plug and Charge is probably related to authorization pings back and forth between the Station and the Vehicle. Too much lag most likely. Learned than a long time ago when the company I worked for was developing authorization packets for TV electronic program guides.
Love Ford Mustang Mach-E and the Mustang name too, living in 2021.
This is the best Mach E review so far. Thanks!
It's getting pretty rave reviews from most of the reviewers I've watched. It's kind of like Mach-E, Polestar 2, and the Teslas are all good competitive vehicles.
This is one of these first cars, in my adult life, that I noticed and sought out info on what it was. I was all in to the Tesla model y but this is absolutely on my list now. Very cool car and great review. Thank you!
My choice would be RAV4 or Prius Prime. I like the efficiency advantages you outlined so well in a previous video. You get EV advantages around town and commuting daily with no range anxiety. Keep up the great work!
Very good review. I bought the Mustang Mach E and really like it, but I've only had it for about 2 weeks. Time will tell.
Did you test drive Tesla before your decision?
@@teslascoop2177 my mom did test drive the model 3 dual motor, ended up buying the mustang, Reason, was turned off by the idea of screen in the middle for everything, even to open the glove box, steering adjustments etc, If you got a glitch on the screen, which is bound to happen , Yes car will be riding a Flat Bed Tow Truck. She Loves the Mustang screens. Way more driver intuit
How much was it
@@cessealbeach you can use voice activate to open the glove box
I think plug-in hybrids make the most sense, giving you flexibility on most any road trip.
Agreed. I think the point Alex made about environmental impact is a good one. If you look at the typical miles / day usage, then taking a MachE battery from 1 car and splitting into 4 Rav4 Primes likely has a larger positive environmental impact.
I had two plug in hybrid earlier, volt and and Honda clarity.
They are very economic but not good for best of both world. No power at all.
I din't try Toyota RAV4 since it has lot power. But EV range is 42mi. Like me my one way drive is 40mi.
@@dhavalmistry4570 not all hybrids. Volvo T8 is 400hp combined and will do 0-60 under 5 seconds.
@@cjpixel thanks for sharing.
The 270 mile range for the Mach E AWD eats deeply into the low end reserve leaving only 7.3 miles of range at 0% indicated. That compares to 25.9 miles for the Model 3 AWD. The Mach E AWD efficiency is about equal to a Tesla Model X Performance. I think giving it an A- on economy is very generous of you.
Yes, biased.
Also.mach e ground clearance is similar to model 3. Model y had about a 1 inch higher ground clearance, significant wider tires and still more efficient
Hi Alex, I'm really getting lots of valuable information from your auto reviews. I bought a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq Blue on April 12th, and I'm loving it. This was greatly assisted by your analysis of several current HEVs on the market. Ultimately, I was able to purchase a 2020 Ioniq Blue, which was still new, for about $23,000. I felt this was the most MPGs for the least money. I also was avoiding the risk of going into used HEVs. I'm delighted to report that, after about 6 weeks of commuting with my Ioniq, I'm averaging over 61 mpg. Thanks again for your concise analysis and comparisons. Derek Nelson, Olympia WA
If you are kicking out 43 + US for a car, you can call it what ever the hell you want. I don't think Ford gives a damn as long as that bag reaches their account.
This guy does thorough and great reviews.
One of the best. He doesn’t waste my time.
We're in the process of ordering the Escape PHEV now for similar reasons as you mention for the RAV4, replacing a 2.0 Escape AWD. I have my dino juice burning AWD SUV already (Edge ST), but I work remotely, so my spouse is getting the PHEV. The electric range will more than cover her commute, and for long road trips it's far more practical - plus, you can fit our large dogs in the back, while neither the Model Y nor the Mach E can do that.
After having test driven the RAV4, Forester, CRV, and other options recently, the Escape drives like a much more premium vehicle, and having all of our vehicles from one manufacturer simplifies maintenance, phone apps, and they all have controls in the same place. So when my spouse drives my car, or I drive hers, there's almost no cognitive dissonance and switching time - something that when you have a multi-vehicle household ends up being kind of a big deal.
I've never had an issue with having multiple cars in a household. We currently have 2 Fords, a Mercedes, and an Audi. I can't say either my wife or I have ever had any issue with remembering control locations.
You'll the PHEV if you can charge at work/destination like we can with 40 miles of battery range in our 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in.
As for this vs. RAV4 Prime, I personally would go for the Mach-E.
I currently drive a Prius Prime. What I appreciate most about it, as Alex has also pointed out, is that it is a *super-efficient car* , arguably more than a great PHEV: 4.6 miles/KWh and 55MPH on gas. Its 25-30-mile EV range is sufficient for my daily commute given that I can charge at work (and I can).
The RAV4 Prime looks really excellent for a PHEV, but it’s (necessarily) not as efficient as the Prius Prime. I’d prefer to go full-electric than to take a cut in efficiency.
The Mach-E is a much over Lincoln EV than the $24K RAV4.
@@normt430, (sorry, I’m not sure what you’re saying here.)
@@mr88cet the Toyota PHEV/Hybrid's are not really in the EV game as Alex inclines.
@@normt430, yes, their two “Prime” cars are PHEVs, not full EVs.
@@mr88cet those are based on economy cars. The Mach-E is more Lincoln than Ford.
Nice review Alex. I will say I understand your argument that PHEV solutions use a lot less batteries which are a constrained resource; however, I go electric for two main reasons.
1. Be environmentally friendly
2. Have a low maintenance solution
And all that instant torque , maybe free workplace charging or cheeper electricity than gasoline.
But it’s number 2 that is not simplified. I don’t want a combination engine to worry about in addition to an electric powertrain.
That goes for the Toyota RAV4 Prime or the Porsche Cayenne S E Hybrid. 😃
We have a Honda Clarity PHEV with 47 miles of EV range. We drive 50-70 miles per weekday, charging between drives. The only time the gas engine comes on is for out of town trips which total about 20 days per year. This is environmentally friendly (oh we also only charge at home using solar) and is low maintenance as we change the oil once per year.
@@johndonaldson5126 Impressive John, but is once a year within the service rating for the vehicle? Can synthetic oil sit that long?
Exactly. That's why I own a Nissan Leaf.
Mach E all the way!
I think the idea that the Mach E is disturbing to Mustang fans is only a small percentage of American car owners. Most people don't even know about the characteristics that have limited Mustang designs. I think Ford made a good decision to give this car a Mustang brand name. Furthermore I actually think the Mach E is elevating the brand and extending the name farther into the future than it would have without the Mach E being added.
At this point, were I interested in a BEV, I would definitely consider a Mach E.
Well said
The quality of information in your videos is so dang good, thanks for this video. I have a Rapid Red First Edition Mach-E so this was so great to watch. Keep up the great vids!
My mdx aspec will smoke your ford
@@김동준-t9p but it wouldn’t though you sad sack of ice crap
@@김동준-t9p only if it catches on fire. Don’t believe everything you see or hear in adverts.
@@김동준-t9p
Have you even read the zero to 60 times on the Mach-E?
You are out of your league buddy. In knowledge and vehicles! Any BEV insufficient horsepower will blow away almost any ICE vehicle based on infinite torque at the starting line alone.
A claim is only a bullshit claim until you have the facts. Post a video of a race or post the 0 to 60 times, the quarter mile times, etc.
Love your reviews and thought the dictionary entry was pretty funny. I’m amazed at how well you continue to spit facts while driving and without a lot of obvious editing. If I understand correctly, though, the high capacity plugs for each line are proprietary. If we’re ever going to really get this going everyone is going to need to cooperate with the charging station thing.
The car itself is fine, but the charging issues other reviewers experienced need to be addressed.
Can't wait for the GT this summer
Great review as usual Alex.
I do wish that when doing the car comparisons that you would always include the actual ground clearance and what they do (or don't) do for the spare tire. To me, ground clearance and spare tire are major factors favoring the RAV4 prime.
So great to see the Trunk Comfort Index return! I've missed that data on many of your reviews over this past year.
Looks so much better and more prestigious than a Model Y. Not a golf cart look at all.
This was such a great and thorough review. Thanks! We just moved to a place where we’ll need a second car... a family car with our toddler. I think a mach-e is going to be the way to go!
I really wish they had a legit HUD on this system. I get that the dash isn't too far out of our main FOV. But I absolutely adore the HUD on my Mazda where I never take my eyes off the road for basic stats.
Having to carry around a frunk full of cables... We need one standard plug across the board
Alex, great video! The last few minutes talking about the RAV4 are exactly where I find myself. Looking for a logical replacement for a 10 year old Prius V and trying to justify the extra cost of EV over PHEV. I think the MachE is the closest step to making the jump rational for myself. Looks like the RAV4 Limited built up to comparable specs (assuming I could order one) for systems is about $5000 less than the standard battery MachE Premium. The fact that Toyota dealers in my area are charging an adjusted price of $2000-5000, narrows the gap and savings in “fuel” could be the advantage as we go over $4/gal for gas. Not an easy decision as I approach an near $60,000 purchase. I appreciate what you shared.
I give Alex a lot of credit for his highly energetic tone while reviewing a Ford! I haven’t seen that in a while.
19:00 the more real buttons the better. Doing everything on an ipad takes your eyes off the road. Touch is one human sense that Tesla has removed from the equation. I think it limits you as a driver because you need to look at the ipad to do stuff rather than having your eyes on the road while your fingers recognise buttons. But that's just me.
Regarding plug-in hybrids: I've owned a Chevy Volt for four years and love it. But, my next car will be fully electric. I rarely go on long road trips, and I love the driving feel and ownership experience of electric so much more than ICE that I'm willing to put up with the minor charging inconveniences on those rare occasions that I do.
For me a BEV is overkill for around town where 250 miles of range just isn't needed. On the other hand stopping every 200 miles for 40 minutes to charge makes it not a good road car either. PHEV is the right balance for our family.
Our once or twice per year road trips are 550 miles each way. Start a BEV with a full battery, stop to charge 40 minutes at 200 miles, stop again at 400 miles for 40 minutes. This turns a 10 hour trip into a 11 and 1/2 hour trip. All this assumes I could find a high power charge station that is not occupied or broken.
I'll switch from our PHEV to a BEV when charge times are under 15 minutes, more like filling a gas tank. Still it will feel wasteful driving our typical 50 to 70 miles per day with a car that is designed for 250 miles of range. Charging at home makes all the difference because we start with a full charge every morning. Not like an ICE car where we have to go to a gas station.
@@johndonaldson5126 We're almost there now with the Model 3 LR. For example, Seattle to Grants Pass, OR is 419 miles. According to ABetterRoutePlanner, all it takes is one 24 minute charging stop in Salem, OR (7hr 15 min total trip time including charging). Make that your lunch and bathroom break stop, and you've lost little if any time.
I’ve had my Volt for about five years. We picked up a used Fiat 500e as an extra vehicle as well. I think that Volkswagen, Ford, and Tesla have compelling all electric vehicles right now. We went with a model Y around the first of this year. 10,000 miles later (including 1, 2000 mile road trip), and have no regrets.
My wife is not a car person, yet she drives it more than I do at the moment. Every three days or so, she tells me how much she loves it. Cracks me up!
Another great review Alex. I agree with you on PHEV and what I have been choosing based on living in Northern NY where charge stations are sparse and winters are really cold. I just sold my 2018 Volt and bought a 2022 Santa Fe PHEV Limited and love it but would like to see a review from you to get your opinion.
Alex: Dont drive it into the basement.
Me: Hold my beer
Very good review. I own a Chevy Volt and plan on switching to a full EV in a year or two. You make a compelling argument for PHEVs for right now at the end. Although it was not necessary with the Volt which has a gas generator, I took it on a multi day trip and attempted to plug in to recover the limited EV range at night. Two of the three nights I stopped, I ran into broken chargers and could not charge my car. Not a big deal for a PHEV but it makes me very gun shy about buying a full EV that is not a Tesla until the charging infrastructure is more robust on the east coast. It will get there. I think you make a good point about Tesla being like Apple and other car makers being like Android. Android was somewhat of a fiasco back in the day but has now developed into a robust platform that is less expensive and fine for most people (this coming from an Apple user).
I’m seriously considering the gt version, I drove one and was quite impressed by the whole experience. I wanted to reserve judgment till I saw one in person and drove it and was very pleasantly surprised.
I just recently was provided a Mach e as a company car. The car is terrific.
I have to say, as a TESLA owner (M3 and MY), this is a great looking car! I’ve seen a few in the wild now and they do turn heads...Glad to hear you found the seats comfortable on long trips. They are fairly soft compared to some like BMW seats and I usually find soft seats to be terrible over long trips. I was bummed there is no tilt adjustment. Other than that complaint, I really thought the car was excellent and I would get it over the TESLA as long as they get the CCS charging errors fixed!!! Winner!
What you have a BMW? and My what?
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough HAD a BMW 328d and an X5. My X5 had the super 21-way adjustable seats and were AWESOME...sold them both, as well as the Model Y...now own a Model 3, CRV, and Niro PHEV....
Mach is crap, model Y has better in every aspect, I saw many videos about mach, its slower, lower ground clearance, autopilot is crap, quality of materials is poor, and awd versions is too slow or has little range
@@hirosima1984 tesla fanboy 😆 detected
@@hirosima1984 Mach E has Better range.
I still think that for most people if they had 80 to 100 miles of EV Range plug-in hybrid that would be perfect, they could drive almost 100% on EV except for road trips and not worry about range anxiety and that means more people would just go with EV’s for their next car
Love the take on efficiency versus the obsession with range. I couldn’t wait for the Mach-e so I leased an e-Tron. I get about 2.5 miles per kWh, and I really feel that every time I have to recharge it. It’s kinda of a guzzler for an EV. 😂😂
It might be an electron guzzler but it is the best looking EV Crossover on the market, IMO. It does undoubtedly have the best interior of any EV Crossover out there, and one of the best infotainment and climate control systems in any EV. How do you like your eTron? Has it been reliable?
@@Jbiglin Yes, I really love the car. I agree it is one of the best looking EVs out there. When I am walking up to it, I can’t help but stare at my own car. The power train is very reliable, but I have had infotainment crashes that require turning off the car and turning it back on. The lane keep is pretty aggressive and doesn’t like cars parked on the side of the street. It mainly looks for lines on the ground, so when I try to move away from parked cars, it fights to center me in the lane.
Totally right, Romain. The e-Tron (and others) are electron guzzlers.... And I am not sure if they will be sustainable
there are no Ford logos on ICE mustangs as well
Extremely thorough video ❤️ Loving this car! I’m amazed at your ability to speak ‘on your feet’ 😳 I’m a content creator myself and I would have to edit out a lot of ums if I tried to just list off so much info 🤣🤣 Impressive 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I bought Honda Clarity plug-in and completely illuminated my wife’s daily driving on gas. Driving on trips on gas. Don’t worry about charging. The car self charges to 60 % for daily driving in town. We love it. When Honda comes out with a EV CRV I be in
You did a good job of emphasizing 80% charge because Ford stops DC Fast Charging at 80% and that is significant. Significant as it is no faster than L2 at 80%+ (12 kWh) I would hope they lift that restriction to at least 90% because range contributes far to flexibility than charging stations. Seeing that it has a larger battery than the Model Y I am confused why they felt the need to clip the fast charge so early.
Points in its favor.
That keypad to enter/exit the car. Always loved that on Fords
Glass roof nicely blended into the look
Blended braking, something Telsa needs.
CCS is the future
It is a real designed as an EV
It is not a Bolt
No wasted time on adding video games and dumb fart stuff
Points against.
80% limit on Fast Charging (this is inexcusable)
Too many buttons
UI felt sluggish at times
Navigation needs work
Lack of exciting colors other than First Edition and GTs
Battery life is the reason.
I don’t think blended braking is the way to go. Braking should be done via 1 pedal with a hydraulic only brake pedal. Blended braking is only necessary because people can’t be bothered to learn something new.
You are really the "go-to" resource for vehicle information and comparisons. On the Mach-E, has Ford given out any information on when a towing package will be available and what the Mach E towing capacity may be?
I suspect it’s the charging station. Ran into a similar issue with the Audi e tron.
Polestar 2 has had the plug and charge set up with ChargePoint for about a month so it's difficult to say for sure who was first. Seems like they both happened in March. It's also interesting that you didn't have the P2 listed on any of the comparison stats when it is clearly in the same size class and is also offering various drivetrain configurations (currently in Europe but soon for the US).
I’d get the Mach E. I like the conventional controls, and the price.
Living in the rural southwest, I would prefer a PHEV. Love my Ford Fusion hybrid and would have loved another. The Mach e is very attractive but I travel to other rural areas with long distances of desert or mountains. My range anxiety would bother me.
Thanks for such a detailed review .
The supercharger network that TESLA has is one of the reasons why I'm buying s Tesla, i can hit the road from Day 1 of purchase, without feeling the lack of charger for non tesla cars.
If you believe that there is a lack of non-Tesla chargers but there is no lack of superchargers, you are going to be quite disappointed when you buy a Tesla. I say that as someone who owns both a Tesla and a non-Tesla EV.
About the name, if you really want to get into it.. was the Mustang II a mustang? It was underpowered, Was the foxbody a mustang? It does not look like a mustang. Is the GT trim a mustang? Do you really grand tour in a muscle car and what about the real mustangs in name alone the i4s and V6es? Point is the Mach-E is just as much a Mustang as them because it's not underpowered, it looks like a mustang and the only issue is four doors which my 2020 Ecoboost premium could use to make using the back seats easier. Which yes the third muscle car to exist had four doors and was called the Rambler Rebel.
I've got nothing against Plug-In Hybrids, but I feel like they only make sense for people who live in their own residence. PHEV's make sense if you're using the gas tank mainly for long distance trips and recharge the battery every time you deplete it. If you don't, you may as well buy a regular hybrid or go full-electric (so that you don't have to recharge as frequently).
Personally, I think it'd be cool if you did a direct comparison between RAV4 Prime & Mach-E, and compare things like
- price (of a comparably equipped model of the RAV4 Prime)
- cost of operation (tied to fuel economy)
- ride quality
- acceleration / ease of passing on the freeway
- handling
- cabin noise
- ride quality
My intuition is that operating costs, acceleration, and cabin noise would all go in favor of the Mach-E, and price would go in favor of the RAV4 prime, but not sure about the others.
FYI the mobile connector 240V adapter uses a nema 14-50 outlet, which is most often used for electric ranges and 50 amp RVs. Dryers typically use 30A outlets which aren't sufficient for the 32A the mobile EVSE can pull.
right it would have to be range
Looking at the Electrify America stations in my 200-ish mile area there are a LOT of single charging stations. Just something to keep in mind. From what I've seen there's a decent chance the station won't work (or someone else might be using it). Just something to to look at if you are considering.
I’m very definitely interested in the long-range version of the Mach-E, so thanks for the review - super-thorough and -objective as usual!
Other than not providing ventilated seats, really like the interior! Tesla has totally “gone bye-bye” in their interior design - solving oodles of “problems” that never existed in the first place, and causing new, real problems, with a minimalist vibe that nobody asked for in the first place! Tactile-feel switches and knobs go into the “+” column of your spreadsheet, not the “-“ column!
Tesla, please stop making our lives harder by trying to make them easier! Providing optional automation is superb, and you do it amazingly well, but stop making basic driving, infotainment (etc.) features hard to get to!
So well said!
Mustang . It’s the perfect vehicle for snow birds. We travel from Massachusetts to Boca Raton
I would have no problem leaving a EV in my FL garage.
You can easily drive an EV down I-95. TONS of charging stations along the way. Almost every rest area has some.
Well done Alex, a good fair and comprehensive review.
FYI, Tesla’s do have music volume and playback control buttons, and cruise control/autopilot control buttons on the steering wheel
4:47 Wait the 0-60 in 6.5 seconds 259 mile range sold in 50 states Bolt EV is considered a compliance vehicle? I'd agree on Spark EV, Fiat 500e, Focus EV but idk about the Bolt. I mean what are the sub 8 seconds to 60, Sub 200 mile EVs considered then?
I think that's fair - when the Bolt came out, it was the only car with a 200 mile range that cost under $40,000.
But on the flip side, GM made some questionable choices with the Bolt, if they really wanted it to sell well. DC fast charging cost extra, very cheap looking interior (which you expect in a $20,000 car and not a $38,000 car), and narrow seats. (Also, compact vehicles aren't very popular in the US)
@@Isaac-un4cn that shouldn't make it fall into compliance car territory though also with over $10500 incentive avaliable nationwide to any new Bolt ev customer with additional plenty of large discounts avaliable as well the car is closing in on the mid to high 20s rather than high 30s as just looking at the MSRP would suggest.
However even then does that make it a compliance car? simple interior and non segment leading DC charge rate may be its weak suits but affordability and segment leading range with respectable performance for the sub 40k EVs yeah maybe it's not the growing sales car segment but so isn't the Leaf, the Model 3, Ioniq, Kona, Soul, Niro, i3. Do these all of a sudden fall into compliance car terroritory? Maybe some are more compliancy than others but I don't think so heck it's so close to the crown jewel of the segment, the Model 3 in some specs for a good 30-35% less money compliance just doesn't sit well
@@AmperageY It's not complying well to keeping people alive and not burning up! Too many have caught fire and now GM is having to replace the entire battery on all the Bolts!
Typical crap GM NONquality. I will never buy a GM EV.
@@teemcshanney8910 16 out of ~110k made have been confirmed to catch on fire. In 2018 out of the 279.1 million registered vehicles in the USA and ~212500 vehicle fires were confirmed by the NFPA subtract the less than 20 electric vehicle fires and the likely hood of an non-BEV vehicle is still over x3 more likely to occur than a vehicle with a known defect. If this is your complaint against GM quality you have a few more brands to avoid too.
I have lower back pain. I have learned that I need that knee tilt ability in order to sit comfortably .
Came for the detailed long-term review, stayed for the Spotify song hilariously referencing the vehicle name
What time?
Nvm 14:44
@@ralanham76 He does this on nearly every vehicle review. Always a treat
Ok the graphics on the left are great, love the subtle opportunity for humor while being informative.
Tesla is quickly becoming MySpace
Worse than MySpace actually. MySpace Tom knew enough to cash-in early and check out. The dude’s been island hoping for 16 years. Elon doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere anytime soon.
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I would argue that its not COMPLETELY defeating since while you are driving alone and not carpooling, you are not adding extra exhaust fumes to the air since it's an electric vehicle. Key word here is completely.
You should do a video on everything you just pulled out of the frunk
YES what kind of EVSE can you set a 24 -amps on 110 volts?
Bruh frunk
Yes please do the grippy tire fuel economy test !
Mustang Mach E looks way better than Model Y. Saw bunch of Mach E's on the road and they look great! Two thumbs up to Ford!!
I agree. The Y has some odd shapes going on. It’s basically a smiling egg.
The Ford mach e is that Jaguar i-pace with better styling
Beautiful car, weird name
Regarding future Ford products, if Ford wants to make an electric Ford Mustang Coupé I’m totally fine with that
If Ford wants to make a Mustang Sedan they should call it the Ford Falcon ;-)
This should be simply the Mach E.
Currently in Southern California you can lease a Kia Niro EV EX Premium for $350 a month on a 36 month lease. That is cheap beyond belief for a really good EV. Just thought you should know.
Saw one of these in the wild yesterday. It was pulling out of a parking lot driveway as I drove by, so I saw the side profile followed by the front end. From the side, I thought it was an import SUV, but the front made me think someone slapped a Mustang logo onto one of those things. I was thoroughly confused. Glad I found this video today.
It is an import.
An anecdotal thought on PHEVs: My 2019 Chrysler PHEV is a great minivan. Plugged in nightly it allows most of a day's daily commuting to be electric. And on long trips, the first segment can be a little longer before just switching to gas to get to the destination. It was a great gateway to experience EV ownership. After almost two years, the sting of a PHEV is that all the annoyances of gas cars are still there. Besides fueling, there are still oil changes, filters, emissions testing. And there will be timing belts, sparkplugs, and distributor caps down the road. If you heavily use the motor over the gas engine, the Pacifica's computer will eventually force the gas engine to be the sole propulsion for about a day to make certain the engine gets a healthy cycle time. I do like the Pacifica, and don't regret getting it. But if I had an option for a pure EV minivan for the family, I would have preferred that.
Just to add on to this comment for the RAV4 Prime - you do need oil changes + engine filter changes but you can get away with fewer of these than normal gas cars (recommended - 10k/1 year but probably could get away with less if you're >70% electric). + emissions testing. Spark plugs are at 120k, which I have not managed to drive in my adult life so far and timing chains are a lifetime part. This adds up to ~1-2 garage visits per year.
Hope they fix charging issues. The whole point is to be able to leave the car to charge while you eat but that’s not possible if it’s going error out
Excellent video! Thank you Alex. Your video was extremely comprehensive, well presented and tremendously informative. Thank you!
Finally someone explained premium v california route
My dislike of hybrid systems is they seem like they are more complicated to deal with in the long run. I want to go all out EV. I just don’t have the ability to charge at home. Also, still need a sub 35 price point that isn’t a base model, heh.
Hybrid, at least the Toyota and Ford systems that have been out for years, have been quite reliable...probably more reliable than the average car with an automatic or CVT transmission. I wouldn’t worry about that at all. Right now, hybrid is the best solution for apartment dwellers, IMO.
Excellent comprehensive review! I appreciated the Apple / Windows parallel comparison. Seems to ring very true. Very good system, but integration falls off when working with outside resources.
If it’s my money, AND I live in California, where the charging network is more complete, even for non-T, I’m getting a comfortable long-range EV. Drivetrain simplicity will be FAR less service and good longevity, esp compared to PHEV which has TWO drive systems and has to be charged daily (more battery wear, more range loss). Still looking for one with a heat pump though!!
Great detail Alex! Thanks!
On the question of the front trunk. I use my Tesla for Uber driving but need to keep the rear trunk for passenger luggage so I keep my own personal stuff in the front trunk.
Should of just called it the Fusion 2!!
Regarding the extra time to charge above 80%, this delay can impact the performance buyers out there. EV's make substantially more power the closer to 100% than they do closer to 0%. If you're planning to track a car, you know your day is done at 30% and many feel it's all over at 50%. It's one more reason you want a large battery and fast charging.
I love my plug in Rav the build quality is one of the best in the industry and the 40 mile ev range does meet most daily use needs. It is based on a proven platform and I believe my cost of ownership will be better because of high resale value.
What is a typical range for EV? My daily commute is 50 miles round trip and fortunately I can catch most of my errands without going out of the way much. Plus I live in a cold climate.
@@SammyMaeQ in your situation, I’d recommend either a used 2nd gen Volt or a Honda Clarity PHEV. I’ve owned the Volt for 5 years now and it handles my 30+ mile round trip commute plus errands beautifully. Great car, well built and solid. An excellent example of what GM is capable of if their execs get out of the way of their engineers.
World Class Review! A new EV owner can drive this car out of the dealers lot without any learning curve, Tesla you have to get familiar with the touch screen
I didn't think about the proportion of fast chargers to number of EVs when considering Tesla's Supercharger network vs Electrify America. Good point!
Superchargers and DCFC are not as important as people make them out to be as long as you're realistic with your daily commute. I've owned an EV with DCFC capabilities for almost 3 yrs and I've only used it 4 times. Most of your charging can be done at home and if you drive less than 60 miles a day, you can get away with the 120volt charger.
@@naughtysauce4323 Supercharging is VERY expensive. I don’t know why most people think it’s cheap or free, except for the few Tesla S and X owners. Running proper 240v, 50amp lines into your garage to charge your car is also not free.
@@afcgeo882 Exactly, but dumb people that don't have a garage and are living in apartments the prohibit EV charging are the only ones that need the superchargers. But hey at least they have a Tesla lol.
@@naughtysauce4323 I’m one of those “dumb people” I guess, but then I drive a hybrid, not an EV. How does me living in a city apartment make me dumb again? I’m pretty sure my three university degrees don’t.
People who have no access to overnight chargers don’t but EV’s, I assure you of that.
@@afcgeo882 I'm talking about people that buy BEV's and Plug ins with no way of charging them and then having to depend on fast chargers just to be able to get to work. That's why people have to honest with themselves if plugging in a vehicle is the right decision for them and if it isn't, then there are plenty of great hybrids out there.
The two top picks for us is the RAV4 Prime and Mach-E. Though as one of us has a ICE, we will just use that for road trips. My wife picked the Mach-E as she likes it better after we drove both that and the Prime.
But the $45K RAV4 Prime is just a $24K RAV4. The Mach-E is more Lincoln than Ford.
@@normt430 I agree with this, we didn't try the Rav4 XSE, though the SE that they had on the lot had a cheap feeling interior.
The charging infrastructure that Ford is using has a long ways to go.
That's the biggest issue I have with the Mustang other than unknown reliability. I looked up the charging networks near me in the Detroit area. Insufficient to say the least. And I would use it for ubering. So until it gets longer range, really fast charging, a much larger and close by number of charging stations that work extremely well with very few glitches, plus known reliability on consumer reports, I'm not in yet. Although it is the most gorgeous, sexy, beautiful and overall impressive BEV to me so far!
Still waiting for the Kia and Hyundai alternatives coming out this year. The ID4 isn't all that bad though.
Niro is a sweet car.
Well I think the look is decidedly attractive instead of undecidedly so, but you do you, Alex. :)
Ahhh, yes, beyond the incredible performance, intoxicating torque, great handling, incredible reliability, virtually zero routine maintenance, and much lower cost-to-own, they are more convenient for commuting than an ICE. None of the anxieties associated with owning a petrol car. No accessory belts, no alternators, no power steering pumps or fluids, no mechanical water pumps or engine coolant systems to leak, no spark plugs, plug wires, coil packs, or ignition control modules, no fuel injectors, fuel filters, fuel pumps, or fuel injection control modules, no engine oil, oil pumps or oil filters, no PCV valves, no MAF or other Air/Fuel metering systems, sensors or control modules, no transmissions or transmission fluids, no engine air filters, no expensive brake jobs every 40k miles (EV’s largely use regenerative braking so the conventional hydraulic brakes last much, much longer), no need to waste hours sitting in customer lounges several times every year waiting for oil changes and other maintenance required for gas and diesel vehicles, no starter or starter battery to let you down on those sub-zero mornings (EVs do have a small 12V battery but it’s essentially for the cars accessories), no fear of cold morning starting (EVs don’t need to be started, they can be counted on to power up and go every time even when more than -30F down), no O2 sensors, no exhaust pipes, no mufflers or catalytic converters, essentially no emissions control systems of any kind and finally, NO EMISSIONS TESTING EVER!
Nearly all EV owners have the option of refueling (charging) at home so as daily commuters they will likely never have to stop at a public charging station. EV owners don’t need to stop at filthy gasoline stations, especially nasty on those sub-zero winter mornings. They won't have to touch a filler nozzle that’s already been handled by dozens of hacking, mouth-breathing, snot-nosed ICE owners (you know, the guy that just took his morning constitutional in a WaWa bathroom that had no toilet tissue).
For commuter purposes, you can’t beat being able to refuel (recharge) at home. Only 2 seconds of your day required to refuel. One second to plug it in before going to bed and one second to unplug it in the morning. Full tank every morning with far more range than the average commuter can possibly use in a day, warmed and defrosted before opening the garage door. IMHO, unless you're among the few US drivers that need more than 50 miles each day an EV is a far more convenient option.
Glad to see a Postmodern Jukebox reference at 14:42!
I’m interested to see what other variants Ford does with this drivetrain. I’d like to see something super boxy and practical-like a Transit Connect EV. People who do outdoor hobbies (cycling, climbing, camping, surfing, etc.) would eat that up.
I’m personally not a big fan of all the “weirdness” that seems to come with the new crop of EV’s...giant screen that includes HVAC controls, non opening sunroof, small hatch are.
Great video! Sounds like Ford did a good job at making a serious EV. Sad to hear that CCS charging even on the newest EV can still be unreliable and points out how well thought out Tesla planned their whole EV approach. I'm very interested to see if VW has issues charging at EA chargers or other chargers that support CCS. Also curious about GM and EVgo partnership to see if there will be charging issues with them as well. With the size of the newer battery packs and not so reliable charging experiences if I were looking to replace my Subaru Outback I'd lean toward the RAV4 Prime. Since we're retired now and making mostly short trips of 16 miles or less a day, the 42 mile electric only range works very well while still giving a typical ICE vehicle road trip 'range and convince. BTW, I did purchase a full BEV in a 2016 Chevy Spark EV for all those short trip duties and really love it and while I average 5.5 miles per kWh I experience too many DCFC charging issues some I charge at home on level 1. The only other issue with my mini EV is that I enjoy driving it so much I'd like to take longer drives than the DCFC charging infrastructure in my area provides especially in light of potential charging issues. BTW, very cute to have the 'My Little Pony' tune on the infotainment screen, is that required listening whilst driving a 'Mustang, 😆
Great review. Most interesting comment was your last one, about buying a RAV4 prime for yourself as a longer term purchase. I just ordered a leaf sv plus for our around town second car, and looking at a Toyota hybrid for road trip car, perhaps the Venza, too much premium on RAV4 prime. We rented a leaf on Touro for 3 days, which is a great way to go before buying. BTW, we do keep cars for a while. The leaf will replace a 2001 Forester.