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Chief Petty Officer’s are the backbone of any Navy. I was a Senior Chief Petty Officer with 20 years of service in the US Navy. Fleet Admiral Bull Halsey, Jr. always said that Chiefs are the backbone of the Navy. But the lowly Seaman Apprentice really is a standout because they do most of the hard work.
I agree “Chief Petty Officer” I held that rank for over 4 years in the RAN, prior to my retirement from service. The Captain of my last ship always told his officers to defer to their Chiefs as they had more experience even than the officers themselves
Able Seaman is the second rate up, and not the beginning rate. You join as an Ordinary Seaman and rate up to Able Seaman after qualification requirements are met. Leading hand is actually known as a Leading Seaman, regardless of specialization, but it can be adapted to a specialization, for example Leading Electrical Mechanic . A more familiar nickname would be Killick - a killick being the name of the type of anchor on his sleeve.
They scrapped Ordinary Seaman in 1999, along with the rating of Junior Seaman. Now all RN personnel who join as ratings rate as Able Seaman once they have completed their basic training.
Chief Petty Officer is the backbone. They run the ship and can maintain all the machinery. They have the respect of the junior rates and are relied upon by the Officers. Often they are acting as officer of the day or section. Yes, you guessed, I was one.
@@ElizabethII-1952 true,but that's mostly because the us navy is so big that they have more people than they need to man the fleet. The British navy is just in rapid decline like the rest of their military
@@thememe986 there are as many ships per sailor in the US Navy as there is in the Royal Navy. Of course the Royal navy is smaller. The british empire is gone and the USA is over 50x larger geographically speaking.
There used to be other ranks too. I was in the medical branch and we had PMT/MT4/MT3/MT2/MT1/CMT/FCMT where PMT = Probationary Medical Technician MT4 = Medical Technician 4th class up to 1st class and then Chief and Fleet Chief MT. We also had MA/LMA/POMA/CPOMA/FCPOMA [Medical Assistant/Leading Medical Assistant/Petty Officer Medical Assistant etc.]
In the 1950’s I served in the New York Army National Guard as a Private First Class - one stripe. Whenever anyone asked my dad what my rank was, he said “very rank”.
@@gavinpotts6747 nah they streamlined it so it’s just, AB2/AB1, Leading hand, petty officer, chief petty officer and warrant officer first class/second class
I do have family members that have served in the royal navy. I thi k to have a daily history of military service is something quite impressive and it proves your families worth and loyalty to your nation
I have to chuckle and add the rank of “Scrote”. That can be junior Scrote, or quite possibly senior Scrote (that’s if they have risen far too high for their natural talent). They are to be avoided at all costs
I've commented on a number of these videos, and I hope my message is getting through. I served in the US military for 30 years, so I don't claim to have any expertise with respect to the rank or grade structure within the military of the United Kingdom, however, I notice there are many similarities. As I've commented on other videos of this type, the term "rank" is incorrectly applied as the appropriate term would be "grade" as rank only refers to seniority within a grade. This is further complicated in the US Navy (and it would appear is the same in the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom) as they use neither the term of "grade" or "rank," but "rate." In the US Navy, an enlisted person's position is defined by their role on the ship's crew, so although there is a similar progression, the nomenclature is more closely aligned to their role, thus their "rate." In the US military this is simplified by "pay grades." All military members, regardless of service, are aligned to a "pay grade" and the pay is the same regardless of service. I.e., an Army Sergeant, a Navy Petty Officer Second Class, a Marine Corps Sergeant, an Air Force Staff Sergeant, and a Space Force Staff Sergeant are all Pay Grade E-5 and all have the same base pay.
So, according to the above, once I want to translate the above video to a landlock country's language, like Hungarian of course, I will need to use the term 'pay grade' for "rang", (German: Rank). The English complicasion is confusing.
Even more confusing: An army captain is far junior to a naval captain. An army captain outranks an army lieutenant but a naval lieutenant is equivalent in rank to an army captain.
Captain is both a rank and position. Most commanding officers of ships are called "Captain" even though they are Commanders or below, depending on ship size.
@@countofdownable Oh that's actually just annoying and confusing! Why have it as both?! I misguidedly thought you'd have to earn such a title, and assumed the T-45 "Captains" were being groomed for proper command on other, bigger ships/missions. That's what I get for thinking...cheers for the info!
I was in the RCNR, (Naval Reserve) we highly respected our Killock especially or CPO especially when we were going through our GMT (General Military Training.) Even the officers respected the CPO's.
Years ago an excercise was carried out with two ships of the Royal Navy, I u derstand it was two minesweepers.one manned by officers only and the other manned my SNCO,s.. the ship manned by the commissioned officers failed to put to sea . The other put to sea without incident.why? Because the SNCO,s had worked from the lowest rate and had to prove themselves proficient in all tasks as they progressed through the ranks. When I was a Petty officer stationed at The officer training College, officers under training were advised to rely on their NCO,until they attained the rank of Lt commander. By which time they would have gained the same experience as the NCO,s. On one ship my boss a Lt when joining the ship gathered all the SNCO,s together and said that he hoped to be promoted to Lt CDR and he hoped that we SNCO,s would direct and advise him so that he would achieve the promotion . Which he did. After 24 yrs I retired as a chief petty officer.
We were on clockwork in Norway and deployed a FOB to refuel Lynx in the snow, I was a fully experienced aircraft handler AB The out of the box 1st lieutenant asked me to move the bowser on to the snow because the pilots didn't want the rotors too close to the trees. That's fair enough but from a road/track that was stable I said the truck would get stuck/bogged if you like Thats after the university grad asked me my opinion What did he do !?? Told me to move the truck closer We got bogged down unable to move The marines came and pulled us out But as they did they snapped the rear axle on the bowser Total cost 40,000 quid Listening to your junior ranks Priceless!
Being a U.S. veteran NCO, and tailoring my answer to Royal Navy, I would say Petty Officer is the backbone. The incumbent is not only responsible for his/her specialized duties at full performance level, but also responsible for the supervision and training of the Able Rates and Leading Hand. The Warrant Officers in the RN senior NCOs, (equal to the Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy/Coast Guard) who's duties/assignments are of a middle management/administration degree. It's the Petty Officer. He/she is getting the jobs done properly and efficiently. You mentioned that WO was the rank all enlisted should aspire to. I agree... in the RN WOs are a combo of the U.S.'s Chief Petty Officer/Chief Warrant Officer. In the U.S. Armed Forces (except USAF who eliminated Warrant/Chief Warrant Officer in the early 80s) a Chief Warrant Officer is a technical or rating expert, and a subject matter specialist. That or Chief is what American enlisted should aspire to. Chief Warrant Officers in the U.S. have the SAME priveleges as a Commissioned Officer. They are saluted by lesser grade personnel, have access to the Officer's Club... The US Navy and Coast Guard used to have a W-1 Warrant Officer, but eliminated it. Now they only have Chief Warrant Officer CWO 2, 3, and 4. The Army still has W-1, and also a CWO-5
It is interesting to compare the ranks with the U.S. Navy/Coast Guard where we have 3 grades of Petty Officer, which I think would make the promotion ladder less steep. It seems like it would be a big jump from Leading rate to P.O. Warrant Officers/Chief W.Os appear to have somewhat different roles too and are not considered enlisted ranks.
This gentleman and his video are following the Royal Navy Rank INSIGNIA. He's missing the GRADES which makes this video partially incorrect. Every branch of every nation's armed forces have Pay Grades which respond to Rank. They all follow NATO Grades (see Wikipedia NATO ranks). In fact there are 9 enlisted pay grades/ranks for the Royal Navy/US Navy/US Coast Guard. They are OR-1 thru OR-9. He missed OR-1&2 and went directly to OR-3. RN Leading Hand is OR-4 = to a 3rd Class Petty Officer USN/USCG. Please note that NATO doesn't have a Warrant Officer grading (RN Warrants are considered NCOs, American Warrants are considered Officers. And the Geneva Convention categorizes them as Junior Commissioned Officers
British and US enlisted ranks/rates don't often compared properly even counting NATO Codes. A Leading Hand is more equal to a US PO1 or PO2. UK WO1 is like a US MCPO, UK PO more like a US CPO. In the British Army or Royal Marines a lance corporal is more like a sergeant in the US Army.
Up until 1949, the Royal Navy had warrant officers that were somewhat similar to those the US Navy still has (that is, they NATO rank codes W1-W5, or would have been if that existed at the time). There were two grades: Warrant Officer (with a variety of appointment titles, Boatswain, Carpenter, Gunner, etc. etc.), and Chief Warrant Officer (Chief Boatswain, Chief Carpenter, Chief Gunner, etc.). These were renamed 'Commissioned Officers' and 'Senior Commissioned Officers' in 1949, until 1956 when they were folded into the regular commissioned ranks, becoming Sublieutenants (Special Duties List) and Lieutenants (Special Duties List), and the specialisations, many of which were becoming increasingly obsolete, allowed to gradually die out. This is not to be confused with the rank of Warrant Officer I (introduced originally in 1970 as 'Fleet Chief Petty Officers'), nor that of Warrant Officer II (introduced in 2004), which are NATO code OF ranks, comparable to their equivalents in the British Army and Royal Air Force. The pre-1949 warrant officers were called 'sir', but were also saluted and carried a sword, which from 1918 was the same as the commissioned officers (just like present day USN warrant officers). Present day RN warrant officers are, by contrast, called 'Sir' or 'Ma'am', but they are not saluted, as they hold a warrant from the Admiralty and not a commission from the Monarch. WO1s do, however, carry a sword on ceremonial occasions, which is the same as carried by warrant officers in the RN before 1918 (it differs from that carried by commissioned officers in that it has a black grip instead of white and a plain pommel instead of a lions head one). So the US Navy is essentially continuing the 'original' pre-1949 Royal Navy warrant officers in that respect.
I guess the use of Commodore rank in the Royal Navy is to have a common ground with the Army and Royal Marines where the equivalent rank of Brigadier is the highest grade field officer but they are not yet in the general officer rank yet, hence a Commodore is not to be addressed as Admiral, much like a Brigadier is not to be addressed as General. Unlike their American counterparts of equivalent ranks where a Rear Admiral Lower Half and a Brigadier General can be addressed as Admiral and General respectively.
I think the US Navy should have done the same with Commodore, replacing the awkward sounding ‘Rear Admiral of the Lower Half’ with it. Instead they came up with even more awkward sounding ‘Commodore Admiral’ which was so hated it lasted about five seconds! But I know, a Rear Admiral Lower Half is the lowest flag officer, not the highest field officer..
When I joined the lowest rank was boy seaman second class, then first class, then junior seaman, ordinary seaman. There was no such rank as Fleet Chief, and we got a tot of Rum when we reached eighteen years of age. I also thought the rank of Commodore started at second class before first class. Command's can be given depending on operational requirements, normally ratings of the executive branch. Officer's generally hail from the privileged classes and normally have had a private education. Social peaking order and family background before the admiralty selection board would play a major role in opportunities for advancement in rank. Within engineering most knowledgeable ratings would be the artificer if they still have them?
G. T. or UA = Grog, Temperance, or Under Age. No rum untill you were Twenty years old. If Temperance you got 3pence a day/week? in lue. From an old Rum Bosun/Rat
When I was a Midshipman in the RNR in the late 70s, the most junior rating was Ordinary Seaman, and the most senior non commissioned officer was a Fleet Chief. When were these ranks retired?
Left in 95 as a Chief Petty Officer, looks more complicated now originally next one up was Fleet Chief Petty Officer which became a Warrant Officer, a Leading Hand or Killick has more responsibility than his simple explanation, it varies from branches. I was in the medical branch as a leading hand or killick MA, I was the only medic served on 2 frigates with ships companies over 260 a role which carried a lot of responsibility
Before about 1820, there was no rank of Admiral of the Fleet. It was just a title given to the senior Admiral in the Royal Navy, so there was only ever one of them at any time.
The three ranks of admiral goes way back before Nelson.admiral of the fleet, lead the fleet, vice admiral would be stationed in the middle of the fleet, and rear admiral as the name suggests would be at the rear of the fleet. Bit like soldiers on patrol you have the lead the section and then the rear guard
We used to have admiral of the fleet, ie, home fleet , Far East fleet etc, then you would hame admiral second in command of said fleet., or flag officer naval air command, or flag officer submarines.They were all admirals of one sort or the other. SNCO,s of varies departments were often called the captain, ie, captain of the gun turret , captain of the flight deck etc
Prince Charles holds the title of The Lord High Admiral and when he becomes King the Royal Navy will became His Majesty’s ships( HMS His/ Her) we all swear allegiance to the monarch.
You missed out Juniors - ratings under sixteen and a half years old and Ordinary Rate who are both not fully trained and below Able Rate which is the lowest fully trained rating. These and Leading Ratings comprise 'Junior Rates'. Petty Officers and Chief Petty Officers are 'Senior Rates'. WO2s and WO1s are 'Warrant Officers'. Sub Lts, Lts and Lieutenant Commanders are 'Junior Officers', Commanders and Captains are 'Senior Officers' while Commodores and above are classed as 'Flag Rank'.
As someone from the UK, I find it fucking ridiculous that we say Lieutenant as "Left-tenant" instead of "Loo-tenant". It hearkens back to that British Exceptionalism era and that of the British Empire, which is absolute shite as we are a global community now and given how things are in the UK because of Brexit, it just makes the UK ever more petty, pedantic and parochial than normal.
Enlisted men are the backbone. The first three ranks make the vast majority of the navy personell. So I would say anyone until the rank of NCO is part of the backbone.
You missed out Ordinary Seaman. You should have mentioned junior commissioned and senior commissioned gunners/boatswains etc. Half and one stripers who have now become warrant officers.
Seaman is not a rank in the Royal navy atleast anymore with it being replaced by rating....I'm guessing he only included WO2 cos its coming back, and everything else you mentioned was a job role not a rank.
The commissioned gunner etc disappeared in the 1970 and were replaced by WO which is not a commissioned rank. In the RAN after 5 years as a WO you are either commissioned as a Lieutenant (special Duties - Limited Duties) or you retire.
You are wrong, You choose or are advised which branch to join at the careers office, classes at Raleigh for basic training are made up with sailors all from the same branch. You then go on to separate branch training, before getting a draft and joining a ship, at this point you are simply an ordinary rate. The Able rate is awarded after further training, and is denoted by a single star above the branch badge. further training and being put forward for Leading Hand allows you to show another star below the branch badge. Also it is not the "British" Royal Navy, it is simply the "Royal Navy" other Royal navies are denoted "Royal Dutch Navy". In the same way RN ships do not have HMS ......... they simply have their name "Queen Elizabeth" on the starboard quarters.
I'd read somewhere that a Lieutenant in the Army was a "Leftenant", while in the RN he or she would be a "L'tenant". Not true?? (Or maybe not true any more?) Note the Army and Navy ranks are not the same - a Navy lieutenant would be the equivalent of an Army captain.
@@bennymav81 your rights major with 5 yrs seniority becomes a Lt/ CDR equivalent but a royal marine is designated as the mens branch of the RN. And no I am not a bootie.
Whilst WO1 is the highest non commission officer. Actually the highest post a WO1 can attain is Warrant Officer of the Royal Naval Service. This is the highest rankingNCO
That is the British pronunciation. I have no idea why but it’s common across all forces. We have Flight Leftenants as well, but they are all spelt the same.
Warrant Officer is not the highest rating. They are not petty officers or NCOs. They are warranted officers as opposed to commissioned officers and this rank originated in the RN.
The part regarding officers training and time in rank is way off. You start off as an Officer Cadet (1 year) then Midshipman (1 year), 3-4 years as a sub-lieutenant, then 8 years as a lieutenant. Promotion can be faster if you join with a college degree, or if you come in as a professionally qualified entrant (example Dentist or Doctor), rather than signing up for the long undergraduate course at Dartmouth. Been there, done that (years ago)!
I agree Torch. I worked at Britannia Royal Naval College for several years (2001-2006). All officer cadets had a plain lapel with a white patch indicating they were cadets (and had no rank). Only when the cadets passed out of the college did they receive their initial rank. Where you may be mistaken, though, is that some cadets would pass out as Midshipmen and others as Sub-Lieutenants. This depended (I believe) on age or whether the cadet had a higher level of education (university degree) or whether they had previous relevant experience (time served as a rating and now moving to the "upper deck"). From memory, at least 50% (probably a lot more) passed out as Sub-Lieutenants.
Dartmouth accepted 2 types of entrants, when I entered Dartmouth (General List and Supplementary List). G.L. entrants went through a more thorough training process,, which lasted 4 years before they started training in their chosen field, and they all graduated after their first year as Midshipmen. S.L. (short service) entrants started training in their chosen field immediately after graduating from Dartmouth. If you were under 21, you graduated as a Midshipman, and if you were 21 or older, you graduated as an acting sub-lieutenant.
Yes It's official the Commissioned Officer Ranks from Sub Lieutenant to Commander are beaten only by the RAF for "Most Underwhelming Rank Insignias"!! I mean Commissioned Officer Rank Insignias should look better than Non Com's!! For Goodness Sake that's supposed to be one of the perks!! Sharp, Striking Dress Uniforms!! Yep the RAF's entire Officer Core and the Royal Navy Officers from the ranks of Sub Lieutenant to Commander have been let down!! I mean Nelson and Jellicoe look smashing but what about Commander William Wright of Portsmouth?? Shouldn't he have a Crown or Pip or Anchor or something for his insignia?? A Little disappointed in England??
As a US Navy, that I was very interested in learning about how ranks work in Canada. So I had some interest in this information. But then I fell asleep. Really gotta work on that voiceover dude…
The First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff is the military head of the Royal Navy and Naval Service of the United Kingdom. The First Sea Lord is usually the highest ranking and most senior admiral to serve in the British Armed Forces unless either the Chief or Vice Chief of the Defence Staff are naval officers. Field Marshal was formerly the highest Army rank equivalent to a US Five Star General. Only exists now as a honorary rank. Members of the Royal Family or retired Generals might get it.
I am sorry but there are not a lot of ranks in the RN or RAN in which I served. Now the USN there is a lot of ranks. And how can you have a petty officer 3rd class.
Your video is not quite correct in that to become an Able Seaman normally takes two to three years service. When sailors join the navy they are Recruits after completing recruit training they are promoted to Seaman Unqualified in where they do their employment training. Upon completion the promoted to Seaman Qualified and after twelve to eighteen months they are promoted to Able Seaman. Promotion to Able Seaman is the final automatic promotion after this promotion is by experience, qualification and selection. It is very similar to what occurs in The Royal Australian Navy whose ranks are the same with the exception of Warrant Officer where there is only one level. In officer promotion between Midshipman and Sub Lieutenant there is the rank of Acting Sub Lieutenant, it is impossible to tell the difference between the two Sub Lieutenant ranks as they have identical insignia
Not quite right. In the lower deck rankings we have firstly: Recruit, then Ordinary Rate, then Able rate. Or that's how it was when I served in the 1950.s. As an Ordinary Rate, one could still be on duty alone and without direct supervision. I once served on a frigate in which the complement of radio operators was one Petty Officer and four Ordinary ratings, before being promoted to Able Rate. There were no able or leading rate Radio Operators aboard.
It’s changed now you start as a rct at Raleigh and then on completion it’s AB2, Then once trade training is complete and the necessary sea time your advanced to ab1 ready for selection to LH
Which rank do you think is the backbone of the Royal Navy?
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Chief Petty Officer... as one of my department heads once told me "a Chief Petty Officer's prime responsibility is making officers out of Ensigns..."
The Royal Marines of any rank that served on ships
@@garethgriffiths8577 chief petty officer retired.
ABs fully experienced and leading rates
The Chiefs Mess, then PO's Mess, then Juniors rates, the No 1 dhoby man, the girl in the Naffi finally the Wardroom
Chief Petty Officer’s are the backbone of any Navy. I was a Senior Chief Petty Officer with 20 years of service in the US Navy. Fleet Admiral Bull Halsey, Jr. always said that Chiefs are the backbone of the Navy. But the lowly Seaman Apprentice really is a standout because they do most of the hard work.
Thanks Kwai
I was a Petty Officer in the Royal Navy.
Thanks for sharing James
I agree “Chief Petty Officer” I held that rank for over 4 years in the RAN, prior to my retirement from service. The Captain of my last ship always told his officers to defer to their Chiefs as they had more experience even than the officers themselves
My father in law was a Command Master Chief in the USN (Aviation Electronics Master Chief).
He didn’t think that he was a God - he knew it!!!
A Warrant Officer Class 1 is the backbone of a Navy, held this rank in the S. A. Navy for 15 years before retiring after 34 years service.
Having served at sea with Charles as POs, I can attest to this.
I depended heavily on the WOs in my various sections and was not disappointed.
@@davidblyth5495 true old shipmate, true.
Able Seaman is the second rate up, and not the beginning rate. You join as an Ordinary Seaman and rate up to Able Seaman after qualification requirements are met.
Leading hand is actually known as a Leading Seaman, regardless of specialization, but it can be adapted to a specialization, for example Leading Electrical Mechanic . A more familiar nickname would be Killick - a killick being the name of the type of anchor on his sleeve.
This isn’t true anymore.
Ordinary Seaman was removed from the Rating structure many years ago.
Able rate currently is the lowest rank, uk navy, with the top of course admiral of the fleet.
They scrapped Ordinary Seaman in 1999, along with the rating of Junior Seaman.
Now all RN personnel who join as ratings rate as Able Seaman once they have completed their basic training.
thanks for that as it makes me angry these so called experts ex pusser here myself
I got disabled out of the RN in ‘78 so my issue is that I’m not up to date regarding RN ranks and QR & AI!
Might be useful if you use the NATO Rank Code system across your presentations to illustrate where each Rank equates across the three Services.
Like he cares 😂
@@Gerald0613 Rude.
Chief Petty Officer is the backbone.
They run the ship and can maintain all the machinery. They have the respect of the junior rates and are relied upon by the Officers.
Often they are acting as officer of the day or section.
Yes, you guessed, I was one.
Amazing video once again this week this channel really deserves more subscribers
Thanks for the support Homy!
All ranks are the backbone I believe, the navy is all about team work!
Nice one Master, thanks
Aren't all the branches about teamwork?
When you have more Admirals than ships, you know the navy is broken.
The Royal Navy has always had more admirals than capital ships.
@@ElizabethII-1952 true,but that's mostly because the us navy is so big that they have more people than they need to man the fleet. The British navy is just in rapid decline like the rest of their military
@@thememe986 there are as many ships per sailor in the US Navy as there is in the Royal Navy.
Of course the Royal navy is smaller. The british empire is gone and the USA is over 50x larger geographically speaking.
@@ElizabethII-1952yes but us British are better than. Their army
"Than" ships, not "then" ships.
There used to be other ranks too. I was in the medical branch and we had PMT/MT4/MT3/MT2/MT1/CMT/FCMT where PMT = Probationary Medical Technician MT4 = Medical Technician 4th class up to 1st class and then Chief and Fleet Chief MT. We also had MA/LMA/POMA/CPOMA/FCPOMA [Medical Assistant/Leading Medical Assistant/Petty Officer Medical Assistant etc.]
I think the backbone of the RN and the USN is in the senior enlisted ranks, specifically the Chief Petty Officer.
Only officers have a rank all others are called rates or ratings
RN Veteran
What happened to Ordinary Rates? I guess the RN has had a refit on ratings, we used to have to pass exams to become an able rate. BOOO
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Lets go, i was waiting for this one. Great video as always
Thanks Britishlad, glad you enjoyed it!
In the 1950’s I served in the New York Army National Guard as a Private First Class - one stripe. Whenever anyone asked my dad what my rank was, he said “very rank”.
When I first joined the RN the ordinary rating was still in use, as was Fleet Chief PO...the "able rate" also had first & second class.
Yep AB1 & AB2 is still used
When I left the fleet chief rate was just being introduced. Has it been replaced or does it still exist?
@@gavinpotts6747 nah they streamlined it so it’s just, AB2/AB1, Leading hand, petty officer, chief petty officer and warrant officer first class/second class
@@gavinpotts6747 sorry my bad read the question wrong, yeah it’s still used
@@emillescott6672 I left in 1976. Lot of changes since then. I served on "Ton Class" minesweepers.
Another great great video cheers for the upload 😎👍
Thanks Ceddy! Appreciate the support
That's Jerry Kyd blurred out in the background. He was Capt of QE at the time. Awesome guy best CO I ever served with.
I do have family members that have served in the royal navy. I thi k to have a daily history of military service is something quite impressive and it proves your families worth and loyalty to your nation
Team work is the backbone of the navy
I have to chuckle and add the rank of “Scrote”.
That can be junior Scrote, or quite possibly senior Scrote (that’s if they have risen far too high for their natural talent). They are to be avoided at all costs
I've commented on a number of these videos, and I hope my message is getting through. I served in the US military for 30 years, so I don't claim to have any expertise with respect to the rank or grade structure within the military of the United Kingdom, however, I notice there are many similarities. As I've commented on other videos of this type, the term "rank" is incorrectly applied as the appropriate term would be "grade" as rank only refers to seniority within a grade. This is further complicated in the US Navy (and it would appear is the same in the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom) as they use neither the term of "grade" or "rank," but "rate." In the US Navy, an enlisted person's position is defined by their role on the ship's crew, so although there is a similar progression, the nomenclature is more closely aligned to their role, thus their "rate." In the US military this is simplified by "pay grades." All military members, regardless of service, are aligned to a "pay grade" and the pay is the same regardless of service. I.e., an Army Sergeant, a Navy Petty Officer Second Class, a Marine Corps Sergeant, an Air Force Staff Sergeant, and a Space Force Staff Sergeant are all Pay Grade E-5 and all have the same base pay.
So, according to the above, once I want to translate the above video to a landlock country's language, like Hungarian of course, I will need to use the term 'pay grade' for "rang", (German: Rank). The English complicasion is confusing.
And as if it couldn't get more confusing, a Commander can be a Captain of a vessel without holding a Captain's rank aboard the D-Class Destroyers.
Even more confusing:
An army captain is far junior to a naval captain.
An army captain outranks an army lieutenant but a naval lieutenant is equivalent in rank to an army captain.
Captain is both a rank and position. Most commanding officers of ships are called "Captain" even though they are Commanders or below, depending on ship size.
@@countofdownable Oh that's actually just annoying and confusing! Why have it as both?! I misguidedly thought you'd have to earn such a title, and assumed the T-45 "Captains" were being groomed for proper command on other, bigger ships/missions.
That's what I get for thinking...cheers for the info!
Amazing video! Keep it up!
This is awesome info! Keep it up! New subscriber here!
I was in the RCNR, (Naval Reserve) we highly respected our Killock especially or CPO especially when we were going through our GMT (General Military Training.) Even the officers respected the CPO's.
my uncles was a commander of royal navy he is now retired as commodore serve for nearly 30yrs service
Years ago an excercise was carried out with two ships of the Royal Navy, I u derstand it was two minesweepers.one manned by officers only and the other manned my SNCO,s.. the ship manned by the commissioned officers failed to put to sea . The other put to sea without incident.why? Because the SNCO,s had worked from the lowest rate and had to prove themselves proficient in all tasks as they progressed through the ranks. When I was a Petty officer stationed at The officer training College, officers under training were advised to rely on their NCO,until they attained the rank of Lt commander.
By which time they would have gained the same experience as the NCO,s.
On one ship my boss a Lt when joining the ship gathered all the SNCO,s together and said that he hoped to be promoted to Lt CDR and he hoped that we SNCO,s would direct and advise him so that he would achieve the promotion . Which he did. After 24 yrs I retired as a chief petty officer.
We were on clockwork in Norway and deployed a FOB to refuel Lynx in the snow,
I was a fully experienced aircraft handler AB
The out of the box 1st lieutenant asked me to move the bowser on to the snow because the pilots didn't want the rotors too close to the trees.
That's fair enough but from a road/track that was stable I said the truck would get stuck/bogged if you like
Thats after the university grad asked me my opinion
What did he do !??
Told me to move the truck closer
We got bogged down unable to move
The marines came and pulled us out
But as they did they snapped the rear axle on the bowser
Total cost 40,000 quid
Listening to your junior ranks
Priceless!
Being a U.S. veteran NCO, and tailoring my answer to Royal Navy, I would say Petty Officer is the backbone. The incumbent is not only responsible for his/her specialized duties at full performance level, but also responsible for the supervision and training of the Able Rates and Leading Hand. The Warrant Officers in the RN senior NCOs, (equal to the Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy/Coast Guard) who's duties/assignments are of a middle management/administration degree. It's the Petty Officer. He/she is getting the jobs done properly and efficiently. You mentioned that WO was the rank all enlisted should aspire to. I agree... in the RN WOs are a combo of the U.S.'s Chief Petty Officer/Chief Warrant Officer. In the U.S. Armed Forces (except USAF who eliminated Warrant/Chief Warrant Officer in the early 80s) a Chief Warrant Officer is a technical or rating expert, and a subject matter specialist. That or Chief is what American enlisted should aspire to. Chief Warrant Officers in the U.S. have the SAME priveleges as a Commissioned Officer. They are saluted by lesser grade personnel, have access to the Officer's Club... The US Navy and Coast Guard used to have a W-1 Warrant Officer, but eliminated it. Now they only have Chief Warrant Officer CWO 2, 3, and 4. The Army still has W-1, and also a CWO-5
A chief petty officer USN is an E7 the same as aChief petty officer in the RN .warrant officers are E 8/9 master chief.
in the RN we dont salute warrant officers
@@tom33496 It would seem that only the U.S. Armed Forces extends Officer courtesies to Warrant/Chief Warrant Officers
What happened to Ordinary seaman, before becoming an Able Seaman?
It is interesting to compare the ranks with the U.S. Navy/Coast Guard where we have 3 grades of Petty Officer, which I think would make the promotion ladder less steep. It seems like it would be a big jump from Leading rate to P.O. Warrant Officers/Chief W.Os appear to have somewhat different roles too and are not considered enlisted ranks.
This gentleman and his video are following the Royal Navy Rank INSIGNIA. He's missing the GRADES which makes this video partially incorrect. Every branch of every nation's armed forces have Pay Grades which respond to Rank. They all follow NATO Grades (see Wikipedia NATO ranks). In fact there are 9 enlisted pay grades/ranks for the Royal Navy/US Navy/US Coast Guard. They are OR-1 thru OR-9. He missed OR-1&2 and went directly to OR-3. RN Leading Hand is OR-4 = to a 3rd Class Petty Officer USN/USCG. Please note that NATO doesn't have a Warrant Officer grading (RN Warrants are considered NCOs, American Warrants are considered Officers. And the Geneva Convention categorizes them as Junior Commissioned Officers
British and US enlisted ranks/rates don't often compared properly even counting NATO Codes. A Leading Hand is more equal to a US PO1 or PO2. UK WO1 is like a US MCPO, UK PO more like a US CPO. In the British Army or Royal Marines a lance corporal is more like a sergeant in the US Army.
Up until 1949, the Royal Navy had warrant officers that were somewhat similar to those the US Navy still has (that is, they NATO rank codes W1-W5, or would have been if that existed at the time).
There were two grades: Warrant Officer (with a variety of appointment titles, Boatswain, Carpenter, Gunner, etc. etc.), and Chief Warrant Officer (Chief Boatswain, Chief Carpenter, Chief Gunner, etc.).
These were renamed 'Commissioned Officers' and 'Senior Commissioned Officers' in 1949, until 1956 when they were folded into the regular commissioned ranks, becoming Sublieutenants (Special Duties List) and Lieutenants (Special Duties List), and the specialisations, many of which were becoming increasingly obsolete, allowed to gradually die out.
This is not to be confused with the rank of Warrant Officer I (introduced originally in 1970 as 'Fleet Chief Petty Officers'), nor that of Warrant Officer II (introduced in 2004), which are NATO code OF ranks, comparable to their equivalents in the British Army and Royal Air Force. The pre-1949 warrant officers were called 'sir', but were also saluted and carried a sword, which from 1918 was the same as the commissioned officers (just like present day USN warrant officers). Present day RN warrant officers are, by contrast, called 'Sir' or 'Ma'am', but they are not saluted, as they hold a warrant from the Admiralty and not a commission from the Monarch. WO1s do, however, carry a sword on ceremonial occasions, which is the same as carried by warrant officers in the RN before 1918 (it differs from that carried by commissioned officers in that it has a black grip instead of white and a plain pommel instead of a lions head one).
So the US Navy is essentially continuing the 'original' pre-1949 Royal Navy warrant officers in that respect.
Please add Merchant Marine ranks based on Minumum Safe Manning
You should do a video about the Royal Canadian Air Cadets
I guess the use of Commodore rank in the Royal Navy is to have a common ground with the Army and Royal Marines where the equivalent rank of Brigadier is the highest grade field officer but they are not yet in the general officer rank yet, hence a Commodore is not to be addressed as Admiral, much like a Brigadier is not to be addressed as General.
Unlike their American counterparts of equivalent ranks where a Rear Admiral Lower Half and a Brigadier General can be addressed as Admiral and General respectively.
Commodore/Brigadier starts the one star (1*) and upwards progression
I think the US Navy should have done the same with Commodore, replacing the awkward sounding ‘Rear Admiral of the Lower Half’ with it.
Instead they came up with even more awkward sounding ‘Commodore Admiral’ which was so hated it lasted about five seconds!
But I know, a Rear Admiral Lower Half is the lowest flag officer, not the highest field officer..
@@HailAnts “Rear Admiral Lower Half” sounds a bit rude to me…
When I joined the lowest rank was boy seaman second class, then first class, then junior seaman, ordinary seaman. There was no such rank as Fleet Chief, and we got a tot of Rum when we reached eighteen years of age. I also thought the rank of Commodore started at second class before first class. Command's can be given depending on operational requirements, normally ratings of the executive branch. Officer's generally hail from the privileged classes and normally have had a private education. Social peaking order and family background before the admiralty selection board would play a major role in opportunities for advancement in rank. Within engineering most knowledgeable ratings would be the artificer if they still have them?
G. T. or UA = Grog, Temperance, or Under Age. No rum untill you were Twenty years old. If Temperance you got 3pence a day/week? in lue. From an old Rum Bosun/Rat
CPOs: Sergeant in the British army: I was an officer: They kept my backbone straight!
PO is the RN equivelant to sargeant
When I was a Midshipman in the RNR in the late 70s, the most junior rating was Ordinary Seaman, and the most senior non commissioned officer was a Fleet Chief. When were these ranks retired?
I started out as a Junior Seaman (15 yrs old) 1961 HMS's Ganges and Vincent and onto HMS Dryad, radar.
Fleet Chief Petty Officer became Warrant Officer. Then it became Warrant Officer 1 when Warrant Officer 2 was introduced.
Backbones are the Chiefs and WO2/1
Left in 95 as a Chief Petty Officer, looks more complicated now originally next one up was Fleet Chief Petty Officer which became a Warrant Officer, a Leading Hand or Killick has more responsibility than his simple explanation, it varies from branches. I was in the medical branch as a leading hand or killick MA, I was the only medic served on 2 frigates with ships companies over 260 a role which carried a lot of responsibility
Thanks for sharing David
Before about 1820, there was no rank of Admiral of the Fleet. It was just a title given to the senior Admiral in the Royal Navy, so there was only ever one of them at any time.
Chief Petty Officer without a doubt
Missed Ranks:
1:22 Petty Officer
2:18 Warrant Officer 1
3:09 Lieutenant
3:41 Commander
5:02 Admiral
Lieutenant admiral sounds like a better name for a two star rank rather than rear admiral!
The three ranks of admiral goes way back before Nelson.admiral of the fleet, lead the fleet, vice admiral would be stationed in the middle of the fleet, and rear admiral as the name suggests would be at the rear of the fleet. Bit like soldiers on patrol you have the lead the section and then the rear guard
We used to have admiral of the fleet, ie, home fleet , Far East fleet etc, then you would hame admiral second in command of said fleet., or flag officer naval air command, or flag officer submarines.They were all admirals of one sort or the other. SNCO,s of varies departments were often called the captain, ie, captain of the gun turret , captain of the flight deck etc
The senior admiral of the Royal Navy is known as the first sea Lord
Prince Charles holds the title of The Lord High Admiral and when he becomes King the Royal Navy will became His Majesty’s ships( HMS His/ Her) we all swear allegiance to the monarch.
When did the RN get rid of Junior Seamen and Ordinary Seamen rates?
Yass mate thanks
You missed out Juniors - ratings under sixteen and a half years old and Ordinary Rate who are both not fully trained and below Able Rate which is the lowest fully trained rating. These and Leading Ratings comprise 'Junior Rates'. Petty Officers and Chief Petty Officers are 'Senior Rates'. WO2s and WO1s are 'Warrant Officers'. Sub Lts, Lts and Lieutenant Commanders are 'Junior Officers', Commanders and Captains are 'Senior Officers' while Commodores and above are classed as 'Flag Rank'.
Its intriguing how the English pronounce Lieutenant as _Left-Tennant._
You mean... correctly
It goes back to the 14th century. Most middle European languages were intermingled and muddled about
As someone from the UK, I find it fucking ridiculous that we say Lieutenant as "Left-tenant" instead of "Loo-tenant". It hearkens back to that British Exceptionalism era and that of the British Empire, which is absolute shite as we are a global community now and given how things are in the UK because of Brexit, it just makes the UK ever more petty, pedantic and parochial than normal.
Enlisted men are the backbone. The first three ranks make the vast majority of the navy personell. So I would say anyone until the rank of NCO is part of the backbone.
The rear admiral
Best knowledge video❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it Uchira
Has it changed? When I was in the Royal Navy, we had the 'rank' of "Ordinary Seaman" then it went to "Able Seaman".
That's good.
I like rank admiral fleet but I need uniform
Thank you for this presentation. Forgive me, but I thought the rank of Commodore no longer exists in the navy.
What happened to Petty Officer?
Is the commander a subordinate of the Captain?
What about Ordinary seaman below AB
You missed out Ordinary Seaman. You should have mentioned junior commissioned and senior commissioned gunners/boatswains etc. Half and one stripers who have now become warrant officers.
Seaman is not a rank in the Royal navy atleast anymore with it being replaced by rating....I'm guessing he only included WO2 cos its coming back, and everything else you mentioned was a job role not a rank.
I understand it was abolished about 20 years ago, and all new ratings are now classed Able Rate on passing out from HMS Raleigh.
The commissioned gunner etc disappeared in the 1970 and were replaced by WO which is not a commissioned rank. In the RAN after 5 years as a WO you are either commissioned as a Lieutenant (special Duties - Limited Duties) or you retire.
The blurred background is distracting and annoying. Otherwise, good, helpful video.
You are wrong, You choose or are advised which branch to join at the careers office, classes at Raleigh for basic training are made up with sailors all from the same branch. You then go on to separate branch training, before getting a draft and joining a ship, at this point you are simply an ordinary rate. The Able rate is awarded after further training, and is denoted by a single star above the branch badge. further training and being put forward for Leading Hand allows you to show another star below the branch badge. Also it is not the "British" Royal Navy, it is simply the "Royal Navy" other Royal navies are denoted "Royal Dutch Navy". In the same way RN ships do not have HMS ......... they simply have their name "Queen Elizabeth" on the starboard quarters.
Absolutely senior rates is the backbone of the navy
I love Ernest Borgnine and he makes me want to join the Royal Australian navy
You also missed out upperyard man and midshipman in the officers ranking
My dad was on HMS Liverpool and HMS Plymouth
And another
Back bone of the RN is the Able Seaman, obviously!
Australia also uses these insignia, for its Royal Navy
I'd read somewhere that a Lieutenant in the Army was a "Leftenant", while in the RN he or she would be a "L'tenant". Not true?? (Or maybe not true any more?) Note the Army and Navy ranks are not the same - a Navy lieutenant would be the equivalent of an Army captain.
I was also a Lieutenant Junior Grade. OK I was just a cadet in our college Naval ROTC. 😆
Now let me throw a spanner in here. I'm a RM Captain. A naval rank but a RM that should confuse things.
That would be RN Lt equivalent, me thinks? Forgive me, and correct me if i am wrong
@@bennymav81 your rights major with 5 yrs seniority becomes a Lt/ CDR equivalent but a royal marine is designated as the mens branch of the RN. And no I am not a bootie.
Please allow me…
“Royal Marines hit the beach… naughty beach, naughty beach”
The old ones are the best 🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@PhilbyFavourites you a royal marine? What instrument do yo play?
Are you able to advise what the war time(WW2) rank of T/WEO, for a person serving in the Real Navy, having transferred from the RNVR.
UK naval officers seem to be promoted faster than in the USA.
Senior Rate is the backbone of the Navy
Missed out Tiffs ( now extinct) who ran the Navy. I have a conflict of interest on this one 😂😂
Whilst WO1 is the highest non commission officer. Actually the highest post a WO1 can attain is Warrant Officer of the Royal Naval Service. This is the highest rankingNCO
Admiral, depends on their leadership skills.
CPO
What about recruit and ordinary seaman?
Pirate ranks in order💀
Why do you say Lefteneunt instead of lieutenant
That is the British pronunciation. I have no idea why but it’s common across all forces. We have Flight Leftenants as well, but they are all spelt the same.
Very simple
Warrant Officer is not the highest rating. They are not petty officers or NCOs. They are warranted officers as opposed to commissioned officers and this rank originated in the RN.
Comma dor is counted as a admiral
I wanna know The ranks Of the US military police Corps
The part regarding officers training and time in rank is way off. You start off as an Officer Cadet (1 year) then Midshipman (1 year), 3-4 years as a sub-lieutenant, then 8 years as a lieutenant. Promotion can be faster if you join with a college degree, or if you come in as a professionally qualified entrant (example Dentist or Doctor), rather than signing up for the long undergraduate course at Dartmouth.
Been there, done that (years ago)!
I agree Torch. I worked at Britannia Royal Naval College for several years (2001-2006). All officer cadets had a plain lapel with a white patch indicating they were cadets (and had no rank). Only when the cadets passed out of the college did they receive their initial rank. Where you may be mistaken, though, is that some cadets would pass out as Midshipmen and others as Sub-Lieutenants. This depended (I believe) on age or whether the cadet had a higher level of education (university degree) or whether they had previous relevant experience (time served as a rating and now moving to the "upper deck"). From memory, at least 50% (probably a lot more) passed out as Sub-Lieutenants.
Dartmouth accepted 2 types of entrants, when I entered Dartmouth (General List and Supplementary List).
G.L. entrants went through a more thorough training process,, which lasted 4 years before they started training in their chosen field, and they all graduated after their first year as Midshipmen.
S.L. (short service) entrants started training in their chosen field immediately after graduating from Dartmouth. If you were under 21, you graduated as a Midshipman, and if you were 21 or older, you graduated as an acting sub-lieutenant.
Yes It's official the Commissioned Officer Ranks from Sub Lieutenant to Commander are beaten only by the RAF for "Most Underwhelming Rank Insignias"!! I mean Commissioned Officer Rank Insignias should look better than Non Com's!! For Goodness Sake that's supposed to be one of the perks!! Sharp, Striking Dress Uniforms!! Yep the RAF's entire Officer Core and the Royal Navy Officers from the ranks of Sub Lieutenant to Commander have been let down!! I mean Nelson and Jellicoe look smashing but what about Commander William Wright of Portsmouth?? Shouldn't he have a Crown or Pip or Anchor or something for his insignia?? A Little disappointed in England??
So, at Able Rate, you get to choose between rum, sodomy or the lash?
Not exactly complete ! Below „Leading Hand“ is also a Rank Structure
Able seaman is the second rank. Seaman is the first rank.
Queen
Did you know that sub luiftenant is also called sub olten
Admiral , as there's more of them than ships
As a US Navy, that I was very interested in learning about how ranks work in Canada. So I had some interest in this information. But then I fell asleep. Really gotta work on that voiceover dude…
First rank is wrong it's AB able body and you have AB1 and AB2 not to mention you failed to mention NE new entry which actually AB2
The blurred background video was NOT helpful. It should have been cleared up or cut out.
Does anyone know what the role of the First Sea Lord is? Or Field Marshal?
The First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff is the military head of the Royal Navy and Naval Service of the United Kingdom. The First Sea Lord is usually the highest ranking and most senior admiral to serve in the British Armed Forces unless either the Chief or Vice Chief of the Defence Staff are naval officers. Field Marshal was formerly the highest Army rank equivalent to a US Five Star General. Only exists now as a honorary rank. Members of the Royal Family or retired Generals might get it.
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Cpo and Fleet chief
so what happened to Seaman. Leading Seaman,Able Seaman Coxain
I am sorry but there are not a lot of ranks in the RN or RAN in which I served. Now the USN there is a lot of ranks. And how can you have a petty officer 3rd class.
Spanish Army ranks please
Your video is not quite correct in that to become an Able Seaman normally takes two to three years service. When sailors join the navy they are Recruits after completing recruit training they are promoted to Seaman Unqualified in where they do their employment training. Upon completion the promoted to Seaman Qualified and after twelve to eighteen months they are promoted to Able Seaman. Promotion to Able Seaman is the final automatic promotion after this promotion is by experience, qualification and selection. It is very similar to what occurs in The Royal Australian Navy whose ranks are the same with the exception of Warrant Officer where there is only one level. In officer promotion between Midshipman and Sub Lieutenant there is the rank of Acting Sub Lieutenant, it is impossible to tell the difference between the two Sub Lieutenant ranks as they have identical insignia
Not quite right. In the lower deck rankings we have firstly: Recruit, then Ordinary Rate, then Able rate. Or that's how it was when I served in the 1950.s. As an Ordinary Rate, one could still be on duty alone and without direct supervision. I once served on a frigate in which the complement of radio operators was one Petty Officer and four Ordinary ratings, before being promoted to Able Rate. There were no able or leading rate Radio Operators aboard.
It’s changed now you start as a rct at Raleigh and then on completion it’s AB2, Then once trade training is complete and the necessary sea time your advanced to ab1 ready for selection to LH
And all the roles have been streamlined downwards now so more junior rates take on more responsibilities