Guns Versus Knives / Fiction & Reality

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  • Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024

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  • @globyois
    @globyois Год назад +12

    As has been said, a knife is silent, it never jams, and it’s always loaded.

  • @r3ptile584
    @r3ptile584 Год назад +8

    I've trained in this extensively. The largest deciding factor is the INTENT and mental state of the attacker. If it's a simple robbery, 90% of the time just drawimg your sidearm is enough, because the intent isn't to cause others bodily harm. But, that can change in an instant. If the assailant is unstable and TRYING to inflict injury, get some serious distance fast. Either scenario requires situational awareness and a swift intuitive evaluation. Never assume it's one or the other without assessment.

  • @alexvucinic
    @alexvucinic Год назад +5

    A realistic and honest take on a serious topic

  • @13ChroniclesOfDagger
    @13ChroniclesOfDagger Год назад +9

    Machetes are awesome home self defense tools.

    • @pascalbaute5835
      @pascalbaute5835 10 месяцев назад +2

      Being a machete user, they are frightening. I use a hard hitting Gerber bolo machete in my garden to cut trees. Seeing how it cut easily through two to three inches of wood, it may deal huge damage to a human body and possibly cut through limbs. I think they are more dangerous than tomahawk with their 20 inches edge. I train to use the machete and the tomahawk for home defence

    • @redfaux74
      @redfaux74 7 месяцев назад +1

      Not all of them, but yes. There are many garbage machetes out there.

  • @willieboy3011
    @willieboy3011 9 месяцев назад +5

    I agree 100%. Charge a gun and run from a knife is an old saying. One stab to the heart is fatal. Likewise, there are many examples of persons being shot repeatedly and not dying. Every situation is different. The man with the gun at Altamont had a pistol yet was killed by a stab to the head. Jack Henry Abbott used a steak knife to kill a waiter, in the heart, I think.

  • @helsindemisquisfolson1461
    @helsindemisquisfolson1461 Год назад +3

    My guy saying some straight up facts

  • @esegoldberg
    @esegoldberg Год назад +5

    I totally agree with this video. I've been training in Escrima(Filipino Martial Arts) since 1987. I like you, carry both a knife and firearm. I've also seen what a knife can do, even in an amateur's hands. I grew up (and recently moved back) to near the Texas/Mexico border. I've seen people get cut with a knife and it happens so fast. I've had many discussions with firearm people about (bringing a knife to a gunfight) and many of them are underestimate what a knife can do and overestimate their ability to draw their weapon from concealment and be able to hit a moving target. The best shooters I've personally known, some of them former Marines like myself, are/were hunters and were used to quickly hitting a moving target. I've shot a few water moccasins and rattlesnakes in my day. I've also taught quite a few self-defense classes. There's always an attendee who thinks a firearm can solve all their self-defense issues. And usually by the end of the class(especially after I demonstrate the 21 foot rule) they realize they need more training and practice. You've put out some good videos on knives that's why I subscribed a while back. It's nice to see you address this issue. In close range violent situations I'm more likely to go hands on(I'm also a 4th degree black belt in American Kenpo Karate) or pull my knife, than I am to reach for my legally concealed handgun. One final point, in Escrima we sometimes attack the hand of the attacker holding a weapon. So if you're going to rely on your handgun, you should practice shooting with your weak hand in case your strong hand gets injured. I practice knife and firearm techniques with both hands.

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  Год назад +1

      Thank you for sharing my friend!

    • @dannymorris9038
      @dannymorris9038 Год назад

      I agree with you’re philisophy in this subject to an extent. I’ve in no way trained extensively in escrima (which is an awesome combat art btw), but do have some training from a really respected martial artist, but thats a side subject. I also have (some) training in shorin ryu karate, but much more in jiujitsu and judo which can and should be considered in this case. While knives do the job I would say they do take a great amount of skill to be as effective in stopping a threat. From what ive learned (and everybody’s data varies) critical knife blows rely alot on opportunity. If you cut me good enough to bleed me out you still have to figure out what to do with me in the time its gonna take to make that happen. Im sure you can take me having the extensive background and experience you have 😅, but for a person who’s fighting back and don’t wanna die thats no easy task. I know of a guy in my area who nearly had his heart cut in half and still ran a half a mile before collapsing. I think thats something to consider with grappling arts as well as it might take awhile before that person stops fighting back even after taking a critical cut. What are you gonna do if a fatally cut attacker still has enough life in them to access their firearm? No disrespect at all. Just engaging in friendly conversation. What do you think on this subject?

    • @ryneagheilim9782
      @ryneagheilim9782 Месяц назад

      And also, Mr. Marine (should I say? Semper fi)
      Have you gone camping? Which is more useful in general? A gun .... or a knife?
      If you know, you know :)

  • @JerryParkerknow-spin
    @JerryParkerknow-spin Год назад +3

    I was writing 21’ rule as you said it. Also, even if the firearm marksman is well-trained, people like Jason Johnson are out there…

  • @michaelkosman3274
    @michaelkosman3274 Год назад +2

    Well said my friend. Great post!

  • @airgunsarehoneypot3555
    @airgunsarehoneypot3555 Год назад +2

    One of your best uploads.

  • @domxem5551
    @domxem5551 Год назад +2

    I heard a story of something that might have happened ages ago in a remote place: someone with a gun entered a place where an old man was guarding, armed with a machete. The old man surprised the guy with the gun trying to steal and when he pointed the gun at the old man the latter cut his hand clean. The guy still tried to take the gun with other hand and he lost it too. Maybe not true but certainly could be

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  Год назад

      Definitely not out of the question. Thanks for sharing!

  • @EXSENTRIX
    @EXSENTRIX Год назад +2

    Very interesting. Great vid Daniel. 👊🏼🥷🏼

  • @CrimsonCrux
    @CrimsonCrux 5 месяцев назад

    I carry a small fixed blade as a companion to my firearm and the market is saturated with makers of them but the Sosby Blades Cub, MF Bladeworks Vandal, Milmak CCW-L and Auxiliary Manufacturing Karl are some personal faves I own. They usually come in offensive industries deep pocket carry sheathes which are fantastic for having a small fixed blade off your belt line but still in a practical position if you needed to pull one for creating distance. You needn't spend a fortune on one though, there's plenty of budget friendly stuff out there like Cold Steel and CRKT and I remember reading about someone who fought off five other dudes with a CRKT Minimalist which cost peanuts these days.

  • @genewentz9906
    @genewentz9906 Год назад +2

    Great content!!!

  • @tanglecash127
    @tanglecash127 Год назад +1

    Everything you said I agree 💯. We should carry both, gun for long distance and a knife for close quarters!

    • @esegoldberg
      @esegoldberg Год назад +1

      Exactly...:) If you can touch a person with your hand, you can cut them with a knife or be cut by their knife. In the old knife training days(before shock knives came out and simmunition firearms) we used to put white t-shirts on students and then hand them black markalots to use as a knife. Anybody who did that drill had some kind of markings on them. Some had several markings on. It's pretty easy to get cut with a knife(or blunt screwdriver). Keep moving and keep fighting to survive. And don't forget to breathe...:) I use rubber sticks to teach students about range. Getting hit with a rubber stick can hurt a little but also teach you to use proper angles so you don't get hit so much...:)

  • @ClarkesonTheMarksman
    @ClarkesonTheMarksman Год назад +3

    Knife crime in the UK is at an all time high and the highest in Europe. Not fun.
    But the general rule of thumb, weapons of flight will trump hand held. But then it comes down to alot of factors and circumstances as you mention. For me it's simple, closely confined spaces a tanto or wakizhasi everytime. At Distance and open area a shooter..!

  • @Christopher33312
    @Christopher33312 Год назад +2

    Excellent Advice 😁😁😁

  • @martinvulu1848
    @martinvulu1848 Год назад +4

    The best defense aganst a blade, gun or no gun? RUN AWAY! While you're trying to get your gun out & acquire a sight picture, money B just shivved you up but good...in a bad way.

  • @JAB671
    @JAB671 2 месяца назад

    I am not an expert in anything so these are just my thoughts:
    1. If you go gun to knife you still might get cut. If you go knife to knife you most likely will get cut - especially if you are like me and know nothing about knife fighting (I know my limitations).
    2. If someone is running at me with a knife as you demonstrated in the video then forget getting a full sight picture. Heck, forget front sight shooting or point shooting. At that close a distance and with that little time to react I am using body indexing and firing as soon as the gun clears the holster and I get it lined up - and I will keep firing until the assailant stops what they are doing. I realize I still might get cut.
    3. I usually carry an LCP in my pocket when I am at work because I can carry there but the rules are 100% concealment and I am mostly at a desk. Pocket carry can be slower, true. On the other hand, one advantage is that is something doesn't feel/seem 'right' you can have your hand in your pocket with a 'firing' grip and the gun half drawn and no one will know so you aren't brandishing if it is a false alarm. Yeah, the .380 isn't the most devastating round - hence why I say I will keep pulling the trigger until the assailant ceases to be a threat or I am out of ammo. I have larger calibers to carry in other settings, outside of work, and prefer OWB and what is called 'casual concealment'.
    4. I believe that sometimes a person in a self defense situation can do everything right and that might end up just being the inscription on their tombstone: "Here lies Ded Gouy. He did everything right."

  • @maxlutz3674
    @maxlutz3674 7 месяцев назад

    The first mistake with "never bring a knife to a gun fight" is the assumption that it is going to be a foreseeable fight. In reality someone who knows what he is doing might get close enough with the knfe to be in attack position. That puts the person with a gun in a massive disadvantage. After all someone said "knives are meant to be felt not seen". If it´s a robber with a gun in hand against my knife, the best course of action might be handing over the wallet anyway.
    There are only few shot placement that will reliably stop an attacker. Hits to the central nervous system or the hip joints will do it. Even heart shots may leave enough action time to achieve some effect with the knife. Adrenaline is a powerful stimulant.
    Hunters can tell you that game animals sometimes run for some distance even with well placed shots from high powered rifles.

  • @ryneagheilim9782
    @ryneagheilim9782 Месяц назад

    Fighting aside, but in survivability in the wilderness, good luck chopping your foods with a gun, building your tent with a gun and performing first aid with a gun.

  • @tweedlebee-eo2kq
    @tweedlebee-eo2kq 10 месяцев назад

    grateful for you sharing! thank you!👍

  • @dannymorris9038
    @dannymorris9038 Год назад

    I have a little training in knives and guns from a dojo perspective and have been blessed with the liberty to try out certain scenarios, and ive found that yes… the 21 foot real is legit and is something to consider… however… when researching real fights with knives and guns alike you’ll find that guns are far more efficient at stopping a threat than a knife. What do I mean by that? Well for instance.. consider the 21 foot rule. A man with his holstered weapon with no knowledge of a knife weilding attacker with the attacker at a tactical advantage for example… by the time the knife makes it that 21 feet how likely is it that that knife will inflict a fatal blow that would prohibit the other person from accessing their firearm that will most likely be very effective at stopping the fight even if the shot placement isnt critical? It would take a pretty solid knife to access the brain through the skull not considering the knife attackers skill level. The only other sure way to stop that fight fast would be to pierce the aorta which would also take a good amount of skill and thats not instant. Speaking on that subject.. even well placed shots with a firearm seldom incapacitate a person on the spot which gives us theoretical data to consider. I carry both and would prefer not to get cut or shot, but in a weapons based environment Ive found that knives probably serve best at a tertiary tool (standoff weapon) than a showstopper. This is coming from a serious knife guy.. I LOVE knives and the combat application knowledge associated with them. Get good with both. I just would caution that nobody gets too comfortable with the idea that a knife is the best option to defend against a gun. You have to apply more than a shaving nick to kill somebody with a knife and even a good cut usually isnt enough.

  • @2104dogface
    @2104dogface Год назад

    training with the 21 foot rule is crazy fun when you have a group of pro's in Security / LE / Mil . the 1 BIG thing everyone forgets in the heat of the moment is the side step as you draw your sidearm and fight the tunnel vision. you can argue all day long on shot placement, size of the attacker, Cal & type of ammo ect yes that all effects things too. but if you suck on the draw don't side step out of the line of attack your likely to get stabby stabby or slashed. holster type and how your carrying also effects things.but yes TRAINING is a must. hell i know i'am rusty on it cause i don't train as much as i used too.
    When i was younger i had a guy go to pull a weapon cross draw between 2 cars in a lighted gas station ( i had just got off duty and was going home & had dealings with him while on duty awhile back)we were well under 21 ft and i had people behind him so shooting was out the door all i could do was close the distance before he could pull, at the same time drawing my sidearm with every intent of pistol whipping while using my free hand to prevent him from drawing his. lucky he saw that he was about to lose and put up his hands just as i closed on him he still got a kick and an earful of hate. it was close.

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  Год назад

      Thank you for sharing!

    • @esegoldberg
      @esegoldberg Год назад

      I totally agree that it is difficult to teach/practice the 21 foot rule in most class scenarios. When I demonstrate it I use it to show that most people can move forward a lot faster than a person can move going backwards. Learning to move back at an angle or moving forward at an angle usually creates time and time gives you choices. In Escrima you learn to step to 1:30, 10:30, 3, 9, 4:30, 7:30. It's not easy at first but like everything else it gets better with practice. Another useful hint is to learn to take short steps and shuffle your feet. The little things you practice (getting offline, short steps, constant breathing under stress) usually become big things under duress...:)

  • @tolik5929
    @tolik5929 Год назад +2

    Best way to avoid having to use either...........is by not being there in the first place , or by not doing sketchy things . Just because a person can , doesnt mean they should . Just sayin

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  Год назад +1

      Oh man there is so many ways to avoid most things 👍💯It’s only in those super rare moments that things happen. It can happen to someone even if they are minding their own business. Sometimes terror comes to us no matter what. It’s definitely worth preparing for.

    • @waterhead1359
      @waterhead1359 8 месяцев назад

      Yes, avoid bad places but most likely bad will come to you .

    • @tolik5929
      @tolik5929 8 месяцев назад

      @@waterhead1359 Best not to help them do that either .

  • @jim.zuzukiz3583
    @jim.zuzukiz3583 9 месяцев назад +1

    What knife was that in your video?

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  9 месяцев назад +1

      The Saw 02 from Tops. My main edc fixed carry 🙂👍

  • @beeamerica5024
    @beeamerica5024 10 месяцев назад +1

    I love my glock but I prefer my buck

  • @redfaux74
    @redfaux74 7 месяцев назад

    When there is hot red liquid violently squirting from your jugular.....
    ... it doesn't matter if it was a bullet or egded weapon.
    A well placed throw with a heavy pointed knife will cause the same damage.
    You will not stop that wound.

  • @rafaelvelazquez460
    @rafaelvelazquez460 Год назад

    Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice.

  • @ClarkesonTheMarksman
    @ClarkesonTheMarksman Год назад +1

    Plus I imagine most people that get bum rushed are packing a 9mm glock or something similar?! Tucked awkwardly down their pants/trousers. Personally I'd choose something with more punch than Iron Mike Tyson in his hay day. Either a 5 shot .44 colt single action or a double action .357 colt python, properly holstered and that shit would be getting drawn faster than quick draw mcgraw at high noon..!

  • @BobaFettuccine3541
    @BobaFettuccine3541 Год назад +1

    Agreed. It's good to hear this knowledge. Real life scenarios are damn scary. Great video broski 👍

  • @sammywilliam8156
    @sammywilliam8156 2 месяца назад

    Me someone that carries a knife is extremely happy that you are being respectful to both knife and gun owners and you're not just saying God is betterMe someone that carries a knife is extremely happy that you are being respectful to both knife and gun owners and you're not just saying Gun Is better only because it's a gun chan

  • @bobinmontana777
    @bobinmontana777 9 месяцев назад

    By inference, by whatever statistical measure, presented here is that a person “defending” him/herself with a knife against a gun attack might prevail. Not wanting to sound like a RUclips keyboard contrarian, but the 21 foot rule generally is taught to “defend” oneself from a knife wielding psycho “aggressor”. Knife against a gun implies it is already in the hands of someone threatening harm. Because if it was holstered or unseen what is the identified threat for which you would justifiably launch into an attack with your knife? That is what the bad guy, aggressor would do, but doesn’t sound like a “defensive “ action. As a last ditch move, protecting your family or not going down without a fight it might be worth it though.

  • @deadronin47
    @deadronin47 Год назад

    Four factors
    Rang
    Faster person
    Skill
    Training
    The cops I personally know
    Say that 21 foot rule is bs
    It actually more like 17 foot
    Also weight comes into play because weight and movement is a big deal
    Bigger person we’ll keep moving regardless of caliber and shot placement of the gun that will come into play

    • @sethklikesguns
      @sethklikesguns Год назад

      They can't if you shoot them in the heart or head. Or if you make a simple chest shot and it hits there spine. They usually won't keep going unless there intoxicated or really really bent on killing you.

    • @deadronin47
      @deadronin47 Год назад

      @@sethklikesguns I agree but to hit the head you have real skill
      In most shooting multiple shots are taken
      So the chances your stop one shot I don’t buy it
      It has to be a head shot

    • @sethklikesguns
      @sethklikesguns Год назад

      @@deadronin47 Yes 1 shot stops do happen but in modt self defense situatuons multiple shots are fired.

    • @sethklikesguns
      @sethklikesguns Год назад

      If some 6 foot 7 3 hundred pound dude comes at me and I put 8 rounds in his chest he's extremely likely to stop. You really think just because he is big that makes his vitals immune to damage?

    • @deadronin47
      @deadronin47 Год назад

      @@sethklikesguns so this a second hand story I was told by a friend that a cop
      He said there was a large man that changed him and they put around 5 to 6 rounds in him and he was still move even after that
      I’m not saying this happened all the time
      But I’ll say that weight size and the momentum that person has can be a factor. That all I’m saying
      By no means do I think a large person is unstoppable
      But Ill be truthful it might take little more to stop some of them that all I’m saying

  • @Codevil.
    @Codevil. Год назад

    2AA !

  • @davidrisselada6199
    @davidrisselada6199 2 месяца назад

    I was interested until i saw the USCCA shirt.

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  2 месяца назад

      What’s wrong with the USCCA my friend? Did you have a case go bad?

  • @waterhead1359
    @waterhead1359 8 месяцев назад

    . Sounds like most people in the comment section and viewers of this channel are against carrying guns , none on this channel. Maybe you should learn more about them.

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  8 месяцев назад

      I’m not quite understanding what you mean in this comment. My audience is pretty versatile with regards to weaponry and it’s worldwide and not just USA based. I have lots of people offering different opinions throughout different videos on gun vs knife.

  • @SpitSharp
    @SpitSharp Год назад +1

    If one don’t have the nerve to defend themselves with a knife or gun may as well use it on one’s self before the other does it so he or she doesn’t have to go to prison, die the nice guy😂Every house or living quarters is a cell with a small bit of freedom until otherwise.

  • @JCOwens-zq6fd
    @JCOwens-zq6fd Год назад +1

    Context.

  • @scott7684
    @scott7684 10 месяцев назад

    when its your time to go its your time Amos 4:12 acts 4:12 kjb read

    • @411Outdoors
      @411Outdoors  10 месяцев назад

      Yes, and only God knows that day. We are to use wisdom, and due diligence👍

  • @fredeschen3783
    @fredeschen3783 Год назад +2

    I’m glad you can carry a sidearm. A lot of times when guys are really into knives, slingshots, throwing stars etc. it’s because they aren’t allowed to use firearms 😂