Battery recycling just got a whole lot better.
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2023
- Recycling will play a crucial role in providing enough minerals and metals for the energy storage solutions of the future. But current recycling methods are very energy-hungry and can be environmentally harmful. Now a new process aims to overcome both those challenges, and save time and money as well!
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There needs to be a requirement that battery manufacturers pay for future recycling. That way they would be motivated to design batteries to be easily recycled.
I agree 100% Pete
That's so not how things work though.
Just like your utility bill includes money for the future decommissioning of all powerplants.
Companies do not pay for things. We pay for those things......
You think battery companies subtract off the cost of digging up and processing minerals??
No, we pay for that too.
Recycling will be cheaper than digging up new, so if companies recycle the minerals, the battery companies will most certainly buy from them at a lower cost.
But by the time those batteries need recycled, the cost will have likely come down by a lot, or even become negative (profitable to recycle), and those manufacturers will have been unjustly fined... if they sell any at all. More likely they'll fold or move elsewhere because they won't be able to compete with manufacturers in places without such laws.
@@lordgarion514 Sure they can pass those costs to the consumers, but if you had the choice of buying a $50 battery + $10 recycling fee or a $40 battery + $50 recycling fee, and such cost was shown upfront, everyone would go for the $50 battery even though it’s technically the more expensive base product. Targeted taxes and fees can be great ways of causing the market to move in very specific ways.
Suggestion: Have this apply to the manufacturing of all goods, materials, and products. Batteries are not the only thing hard to recycle, but hazardous to throw away. Plastic waste looks like it’s going to be a tough challenge to solve separate from climate change, with effects for centuries given how prolific micro-plastic waste is. Once we deal with that, we really want to ensure we don’t have to deal with another version of plastic waste as we continue to produce new and better materials. If the benefits of a material are not worth the detriments to society then we need to have systems in place to ensure it is never adopted beyond where it is necessary and manageable. A recycling fee attached to every step in a product’s production that represents the added difficulty of recycling it would be a decent way to incentivize researching ways to make recycling easier, and adopting materials nearly as good, but far easier to recycle over the absolute best in terms of material properties without considering any other factors.
In the '90s, I visited a German car battery recycling plant. They were very, very good, with astoundingly high recovery of multiple materials. Yes, it can be done today... in fact, we have been doing it for years. Simply a matter of sharing best practices.
Any idea which city it was and if it's still operating?
@@pioneer7777777 I remember EVs in the 90'. Germany and Switzerland were cutting edge in vehicles and batteries. Charging infrastructure were also better: EU standard were 20A blue CEE connector single phase, like on campgrounds and marinas. No subscription or per kWh payment, mostly free or a single startup fee or payment for only the parking. It worked, took zero maintenance and setting up your own charging station cost 5 DM for a CEE connector from Baumarkt you installed yourself.
Sounds like a lead-acid recycler. That’s a business that’s been around for decades. If we could get to lead-acid levels of recycling for the various lithium chemistries it would relieve some of my objections to the use of those chemistries in cars.
In the 90s I would expect you saw a lead-acid battery recycling plant. That’s a technology that’s been around for decades, and is extremely efficient.
@@TheGotoGeek Yes, lead acid battery recycling was efficient and cleaned up by then. Lead-acid has allright charging efficiency, but not as good as Li-ion. However Lead acid EVs needed to be float charging when not driving so there were more losses and cold batteries robbed energy return. Cutting edge chemistry in EVs were Ni-Cd. Ni-mh was not developed enough for the large current draws in EVs or even power tools. the consensus was that Lead acid was inadequate for passenger cars, only workable the neighbourhood EVs or dedicated sub sedan type vehicles that could go around 70-90 km on a charge. However there were larger scale attempts. Fiat and others made lead-acid fleet vehicles for public services, but changing a battery pack every two years or more often if abused, meant the service contracts turned out to be too expensive for the manufacturers. What had some success was the Citroen Saxo electrique with water cooled Ni-Cd battery pack. Batteries were leased and it was tiny and had good range ( I don't remember how far), it was the Tesla of the day, pricy to buy but the coolest family EV. Another success was the City Think originally made in Norway but acquired by Ford. It was unusual as it used Zebra batteries, a high temperature battery chemistry, and after parking for a few days, you needed to run the battery heater to get them up to working temperature of 270C, they could go almost 200 km driven carefully. Siemens made drivetrain, charger and inverter for more manufacturers back then, so there was a working support ecosystem for EVs with industry standards. So yes, we were living the future in the 90' too!
It will be a lot cheaper to recycle all the valuable materials we now chuck into landfills than it will be to 'mine' these same landfills in the future because all these materials are in short supply.
This is one of the most properly in focus channels on environmental issues and the viable solution paths forward. I'm a physicist and this Dave B. does an enormous amount of the investigative footwork that, arguably, I should be more adept at myself! I often launch into the specific subject matter after his weekly launch. ( He finds a fair bit of Canadian content before me as well which I also should probably encounter first!)
Dave B, keep up the good work -from another Dave B.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
I agree
Thank you Dave. I really appreciate that feedback - especially coming from a physicist :-)
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
The battery recycling space is growing by leaps and bounds. Lithium ion batteries are far too valuable to throw away. That would be economic insanity. The recycling rate of lead acid batteries in conventional ICE vehicles is over 99%, and they aren't worth anywhere near as much as Li-ion.
It’s important to remember that a lot of current momentum for recycling in the US traces back to the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act.
While I agree that it would be “economic insanity” to not recycle lithium ion batteries….companies were more than happy to toss harmful metals into landfills until the RCRA started the momentum to stop that practice.
@@SaveMoneySavethePlanet Thankfully we're nearly rid of nickel cadmium now.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
This probably has to do with legislation.
@@cyrilio agreed, I know in Europe the recycling rate was abysmal (single digit percent iirc) until the EU passed regulation forcing them to be recycled. Still, lithium has a big demand, so hopefully economics will drive recycling, and if not I guess we should start petitioning lawmakers again!
The Environment Agency have recently approved commercial operations for Recyclus in Wolverhampton to begin battery recycling operations. They plan to open a further five plants in the U.K.
The chairman is Robin Brundle who is Martin Bundle’ older brother of F1 fame.
They are partially owned by Technology Minerals (TM1 on the stock market)
Good on ya' for covering these topics Dave! I know "recycling" isn't as flashy as "New World-Changing Flying Laser Cars ", but it's just as important.
Indeed. These videos get maybe 20% of the views of some others I do but, as you say, these topics are important to discuss.
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
@@JustHaveaThink Hello,im enquiring wether it would be possible to do a video on synhelion and h2il they both have websites and can't see much attention on them.
They both state plans for 2025 and be interesting to hear your views they are utilizing seperate technologies and theirs a lot of information on their websites.
Northvolt in northern Sweden have their 125000 tonnes recycling plant ready this summer....using a hydrometallurgical process recycling 95% of the battery. Biggest hydrometallurgical recycling plant in the world.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Good info Rojava. Thanks for sharing it so positively and constructively
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
I just love that the latest battery recycling research involves a glorified rock tumbler. It seems like a c plant would be a lot simpler, use less energy, and have fewer waste components than other approaches. All of which will make it easier to get permits to build plants.
That is, if it ever gets commercialized.
As an engineer who works in industrial control systems and automation and HAS WORKED IN THE MINING INDUSTRY which includes building, upgrading or operating mines and mineral processing for iron, nickel, copper, uranium, aluminum and others.
*HOW DO YOU THINK WE EXTRACT METALS FROM RAW ORE IN THE FIRST PLACE????*
Crushing, grinding, solvent extraction,... these are all common practices in the mining industry. That nice little graphic at 7:30 is called a "Ball Mill." That metal mincing machining you show at 5:04. In mining those are called sizers as in they chop everything down to a certain size. They aren't as common as other crushers but I have seen them used in iron ore. The ball mills I have seen in uranium and nickel because you need to get the ore down to small particles so the acid can dissolve the metals in the ore.
As for separating out different metals from solution that's common in mineral processing. All ore bodies have unwanted materials in the ore and they need to be removed or the valuable stuff needs to be removed from the rest depending on how you look at it. What makes ores bodies viable is not just the percentage of of what you want in the ore but also the "other stuff" present. Sometimes rich ore bodies aren't economic because of the "other stuff."
Anyway you look at this its the same set of problems they have had in mineral extraction for centuries. The difference with recycling is that they are starting with different materials. Instead of starting with dirt out of the ground they are stating with used material from human society.
what we really need is a technology that lets us recycle politicians into something useful
LoL!! The ball mill sounds about the best place for them!!
the fast food industry, simples.
Asphalt for roads.
Unfortunately, the original raw materials, which often may have contained reasonable levels of decency, often get rendered worthless by the greed and wilful ignorance of the electorate and the corruption of the powerful.
Wow you thought turning plastic into something useful was tough?
From Latin America, specifically from Argentina, I thank you for this video so full of knowledge and research. Thanks for your contribution.
I will join the chorus and thank you for yet another super video. These are my favorite with some market research combined with your interpretation and illustration of cutting edge green technologies. A highlight of every Sunday evening. Thank you :-)
Thank you. I really appreciate that :-)
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
I loved seeing the progression in recycling tech. The incredible innovations involved are a great source of hope that we'll be successful in cutting emissions and reducing environmental impact through electrification. Nice to see that a Canadian company is one of the forerunners in the field. That said, I'm very happy to know so many people, in many countries, are putting their mind to cracking these problems. Thanks for another great video!
Cheers Tom
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
Many thanks for your excellent videos that keep us so well informed! 😊
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Cheers Ezra. Much appreciated
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
You keep churning out high quality content at an astonishing rate. I'm a fan of your channel
The problem with recycling is that it has to be done at all. The focus should be on the rapid development of a battery that simply charges up and discharges as often as required - so effectively lasts forever. Then there is no recycling problem.
Might sound a bit pie in the sky, but, ultimately this is the only way to go.
And not just for batteries, but as a general aim. We regard recycling as a good thing and a positive step, but what it really is is a second-best 'solution' - an adminision that we didnt get things right to start with. The real answer is to make products that dont need replacing.
Thanks for this. Subscribed! Recycling is such a universal need for the planet and I hope that people who are opposed to battery tech can see the improvements that are happening everyday.
I live in a small town in New Jersey USA and we have a recycling center where you drop off rechargeable batteries of all kinds. It really bugs me that while 99% of the lead in lead-acid batteries will be recycled, the vast majority of the lithium ion batteries will end up in a landfill. Glad to hear this will soon change.
I'll bet in a few years they'll start mining land fills for lithium. Japan has used landfills for generating natural gas for years now. Wonder how much other valuable elements could be recovered doing that.
This video goes straight to my heart. One of my first jobs was working at a landfill and rather than suffer through a second winter there I took a job at a lower end retailer during the Christmas season. That worked out okay for a few years, but the whole time I was there, I would always see the merchandise there and everywhere else as "future landfill."
And batteries I have always known to be the largest contributor to toxicity in "disposable" waste.
'Future landfill' - I couldn't agree more! All the needless, useless, pointless plastic shite that corporations churn out by the megatonne, is surely a significant cause of harm, in the carbon cost, pollution, and environmental damage it results in :(
I’ve started looking at EVERY human artifact as “garbage”. Sooner or later, that’s what it’ll be. Every stitch of clothing I’m wearing? Garbage. Everything in my pockets? Garbage. The house I live in? Garbage. So, what are the lifespans and the uses of these various bits of garbage, how will they be disposed of when no longer useful, and can they ever be recycled? Single-use plastics in particular I find frustrating and frightening. There’s so much of it in reach of my hand, right now. My forearm is resting on a pocket pack of tissues. The tissues are single-use but organic, and will naturally decay. The plastic wrapper they’re in? That’s two separate pieces of plastic, both of which will probably exist for thousands of years, absolutely useless.
Here in Merica' everything is tossed into the garbage - Ni-Cd batteries, Ni-Mh batteries, lithium-ion batteries, CFL light bulbs, long florescent light bulbs.
I know that this may sound incredibly simple and boring, but please consider UHPC, or ultra high compressive concrete. As you know, concrete is one of the most used materials on the planet, but it is basically unchanged since the development of Portland cement concrete in the 19th century. As it turns out with many things in our modern world, ordinary concrete has significant flaws but due to its remarkable acceptance and usage a mammoth industry has grown up around it which, like many major institutions, is very reluctant to change. However, there are aspects of both its creation and lifecycle which are now being closely scrutinized. Firstly, the creation of Portland cement (a prime ingredient of concrete) requires large amounts of heat energy to force the necessary chemical reactions; secondly, this reaction releases enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. As to the final building material created using Portland cement, it has significant vulnerabilities which require extraordinary steps to avoid. Firstly, ordinary concrete is very porous once it has cured (hardened) which make it extremely vulnerable to negative environmental influences; frankly, it is not remotely waterproof and this allows waterborne chemicals (salt etc.) to easily gain access to the interior structure where it reacts with reinforcing materials and essentially causes them to severely deteriorate and even dissolve both the basic mineral structure as well as reinforcing elements (steel etc.). What, you might say is the reinforcing necessary you may ask. That is due to concrete being essentially strong in only one aspect- compression. As the real world generally requires strength in flexural, tensile and compressive strength, this leaves objects made of un-reinforced concrete very deficient when stressed by alternate forces (I.e. earthquakes and other environmental forces like wind/waves). Additionally, concrete is very bulky when it is required to exhibit sufficient strength to support large infrastructural objects (bridges, sea-walls, skyscrapers etc.). Therefore, huge amounts of energy are required to transport everything from the basic ingredients to the finished products; creating more CO2 etc.,etc..
Thank you for another fascinating video. If all cars are going to be electric, we'll certainly need ubiquitous battery recycling. Preferably without toxic waste from solvents or acids. It seems like the only drawback of this method is time, and that's not really a problem if you have a production line constantly working.
'Gas mark 73' had me in stitches! 😆
Joking aside, this is a very important subject which I hadn't realised was a problem until now. Many thanks for this and your continuously educational videos!
It is great to see how many companies in many different parts of the world are developing better battery recycling methods. I enjoyed your talk at Fully Charged South and will hopefully catch up with your talks at FC North.
Cheers Doug. I appreciate your feedback. Maybe see you next weekend.
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
I'll be at the show on the 19th, and glad you can support it with your expertise.
My kid's 4th grade class tried to recycle alkaline batteries as a class project. They quickly and pretty easily collected hundreds of pounds (kilos?) and took them to stores that said they accepted them. The stores all said it was too much and they had no way to accept such quantities.
That must have been both disappointing for all and a bit embarrassing for the teachers who organised it!
That really makes an important point. We need recycling to be more than window dressing. A cardboard box for used batteries outside Woolworths or other chain stores can receive back only a tiny percentage of what is actually sold. Still, it was a good project, even if the lesson learned wasn't perhaps the one that was wanted. Good luck!
We need more battery reuse. There is plenty of demand on the power grid for extra battery storage.
If you have a EV that has crashed the insurance company will right off all the batteries just to be paranoid.
If you give an old battery to a recycling company they will recycle it.
At some point you need a decision making processes that can decide cell by cell which battery cells are good and which battery cells are not good. They we can have massive amounts of battery storage on our power grid, or even a market for second hand battery cells for people building their own EV's. Or all sorts, there is a big demand for even second hand EV batteries, you only need to recycle the battery cells that are not working.
Recycling is really just re-mining, but with all your materials laid at your feet.
Thank you for another awesome video! Love your show! Thumbs up!
"Bit of a buggeration factor" ...love it, you really do speak my language!
Hope your appearances at Fully Charged Live become a regular thing. Sadly we're not going to make it again this year due to health problems, my own and the m-i-l's. Maybe next year...😏👍💚
New battery development technology is galloping along into the future, making batteries from as little as a couple of years ago seem very limited in comparison. And yet we're still in the foothills of development. Inevitably, battery recycling technology is behind new battery development. But, with companies like Redwood Materials and cutting edge research in universities, it won't be long before we have another industry which is finally up and galloping. It probably has a decade of ramp readiness before it really starts to be hit by truly large numbers of old BEV batteries. And then it'll just grow. And recycled battery materials are generally being considered to be of higher quality than when refined the first time round.
Incidentally I enjoyed the survey which predicted that by 2030 there would be 350 million BEVs [including a few inevitable Plug-in Hybrids no doubt] worldwide. The excellent Tony Seba recently recalled a prediction made by the EIA [Energy Information Administration] in the USA, in 2010, that there would be 140 [yes, one hundred and forty] BEVs by 2035. And Tesla had already made a thousand or more original Roadsters by then. Was the total going to go down? 😂In comparison, Seba said it would Game Over by 2030. And it's looking like he'll be right again.
I think we're going to safely make that 140 total EV's target. (Talk about your conservative thinking... Just no sense of awareness to new technologies).
Thank you very much, Dave for the the covering such important topics! I find the animation in your videos really attractive, it’s easier to understand such complicated processes. As a non English native follower I strongly appreciate not automatically generated subtitles too :)
I still think the biggest advancement in battery recycling will come from the government.
As someone that works in manufacturing, I constantly see parts thrown away simply because they’ll be “too hard” or “too costly” to rework into workable parts.
Eventually, our governments are going to have to not only mandate a required percent of recycled material that be in all batteries, but they’ll also need to mandate that all batteries get recycled in the first place.
"too hard, and too costly" sounds like everything heard about spent nuclear fuel.
And yet the French have been doing MOX for decades.
Companies making trash products and forbidding people from repairing them is how they make money
planned obsolescence
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Thanks for covering recycling. This sounds like a good idea to my untrained mind.
Cheers Melissa
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
It's wild how many different ways there are to process things for the same end results! I was thinking maybe magnetically separating them with their flux coefficients, but the fact they form oxides together is really interesting
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
"buggeration factor" was the highlight for me haha. Keep up the good work.
Aahhh... warm and fuzzy... Thank you.
This is some good news for battery recycling.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Geo40 in New Zealand are making interesting progress using geothermal waste steam to recycle and refine Lithium from old batteries and such, I believe
I think this was one of the most intense videos you have made, for which I thank you. It definitely made my grey matter work hard to understand it. However, I was particularly pleased to hear you use the word "buggeration" (10:49) and phrase "a bunch of arse" (11:48) made me very happy.
Quick PS - when you read the names of the new $10 or more contributors at the end, Aisling was listed, which you pronounced "Ay-ling" but should be pronounce "Ash-leen". I hope neither you, nor she will mind me pointing this out, however ineptly
IN the main, for about 20+ "lab successes", we seem to get at least one that jumps that scalable hurdle; lots of lab work going on, more every day; a solution is possible in the near term, I believe. the car makers are on board and that gives a huge boost from the production side to push forward with the hard work. BTW, Big Oil didn't miss it either; and they know extractive resource operations as well as anyone in the world. If you missed it, Big Oil, before it was Big Oil was some of it still is) Big Coal. They have been less than honest since the '70s about the known impacts on our environment and the earth, and they, like the US DOD, have been spending visible money for about the last 30 odd years to protect their offshore and inshore wells and equipment as well as rolling up huge profits to "help in the transition"- to help them emerge as dominant in the new energy world as they are now. I am not sure that is a good idea- their track record to date leaves me less than thrilled to have them back as the "new guys". Always Be Well, Dave!
Definitely a interesting approach. Clearly building cells in a way the the component minerals can easily be separated would be a really good idea!
This is what the company that sold the Mt Marion mine has done, taken their hydromet flow sheet and developed an ‘urban mining’ company. Working with Mercedes amongst others. Scale is the issue at the moment. There is not enough batteries yet, which is causing issues for companies like Redwood getting feedstock. Car companies will have the feedstock- production scrap, recalls and end of life in places like the EU where they are required to take them back and required to put a certain amount of recycled product in. Car companies will want to keep it all in house for this reason. Redwood-Tesla, Primobius-MB. It will be the partnerships that win out and pretty standard established tech that is most economical when we get to scale
Excellent. As per usual, if there's money on the table, a process to put it in someone's pocket will be developed. Well done to the researchers who put this promising process together. Let's see who picks it up and makes it commercially available.
That’s why I keep saying the free market is your best friend or your worst enemy. And why I’m convinced that renewables will inevitably win - they’re cheaper.
@@davestagner I agree. Sometimes it takes government to fund research or give subsidies to get the ball rolling on these environmental issues but once the markets can see profit (and we're well past that stage now) it's going to free wheel. Thank goodness.
Thank goodness, bout time, and godspeed. 🤠 If you reading this and have money or a degree maybe put it behind some of these companies.
Nice video even already familiar with that paper from KIT it was still interesting to see how you put it in the line with the other existing recycling processes.
Thanks Andreas. I really appreciate your feedback.
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?
What a joy. No jumping about and cartoon razamataz. Clear interesting knowledge based information
Pay recycling in chemistry based crypto minus fees. This way, you get a tax deductible credit already posted with tax collectors.
RFID Battery tags built inside the shell would help speed up sorting/screening on most returned products and lower costs. Spectroscopy and other screening methods would still be done but sorting woild improve significantly.
When seeing this battery recycling process, I wonder if we could recycle absolutely everything in some super giant facility after we start getting abundant cheap energy from renewables.
You start by finding alternatives to the items that can’t be recycled. Micro fibre, plastic and insulators like Kapton and Teflon are not recyclable. Body deadening material or sound insulation is not recyclable. Carpet is not recyclable but it can be reused
They shouldn't shred them until there're totally dead,usually it just one bad cell the rest are still usable,They should sell them on to be refurbished so folks could use them for off grid porpoises.
I like it. I'm all about recycling when it's feasible.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Great channel and this process seems quite promising.
Slight hope for the future.
Thanks for the informative episode.
It blows my own little brain, when I hear all this complex reactions and creative thinking people employ to solve these recycling problems. Good for them. It gives me little hope that we actually can create sort of circular economy one day, caring for the recycling of materials we produce.
Thanks as always for explaining it in a way that I can get some grip over it. .
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Cheers Michael. Much appreciated
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Recyclico (AMYZF) has the most important promising and transparent recycling and upscaling process for EV batteries.
Most definitely NOT just a bunch of arse! Love ya work mate!
That supply chain map of 50,000 mi is quite similar to a map I saw of tennis balls 🎾 that needed to get to Wimbledon a few years back…
Fascinating video, as always!
Wonderful, comprehensive article. Thanks much.
Thank you. A shrewd look at what is promised. Fingers crossed for the team in Karlsruhe. Although I think that the desire is there for many people to change to electric vehicles, I think that the figures for the likely uptake are over optimistic by a considerable margin. Intensely populated centres, where both the need and the potential are greatest, the manufacturers have overlooked their failure to standardise battery design. In spite of efforts to design a charging network to satisfy huge numbers of EV users, anything other than battery swopping is not going to produce a speedy, convenient, mass market delivery of charges. So far only the Chinese have seen this coming.
oh, a bunch of companies around the world have tried. The main problem is it's only useful for their own cars, so has limited cost-effectiveness. It's great for busses and taxis, but until car batteries are at least somewhat standardised it's not going to work for private cars.
Better, private cars should be rented when required and otherwise public transport i used. Which needs a large investment, in most places, in public transport to get it up to useful. It does work in many places, and that needs to spread. Electric cars are a good interim stage as it reduces the power of the fuel companies to hobble public transport developments and improvements.
@@thekaxmaxprecisely. Battery standards should have been agreed worldwide and a system for swopping developed. Private internal combustion powered motor vehicles could not have been possible without a standard fuel (petrol/gas or diesel) and a system (gas stations/ petrol stations) to deliver it quickly and efficiently. The EV will never see its potential without battery swopping.
Thank you.
those recycling stats are impressive to say the least providing they can bring it up to scale and (the important part) make it economically viable.
Great video, I love to see how recycling is turning into a big industry now. I thought you'd gone full Ray Winston on us at 4:38
You've lost me there James ?
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in 2009 my 2004 Prius battery died. When it was all over I had bought a used Bad battery and they replaced it. Then I had 2 Prius batteries to get rid of. 350 Lbs. I had been recycling metal in 2008, prices were Up...... But No One wanted those batteries. One day someone said he knew a place that would take them so I let him recycle them. I don;t know if he made $$ on them
@5:55 *OK who bleached that Oompa Loompa!*
LMAO 🤣 Warm n Fuzzy feeling in places they didn't know they had..
Nice one. The mechanical crusher looks cheaper than the other methods, which is of course the critical bottom line.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Cheers rockman531 Much appreciated
@@EarthCreature.
Troll
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@@davidwatson2399I'll be a troll if it means being correct. That must make you a half wit fairy
You do an amazing job on your videos. Many Thanks
Thanks Charles. Much appreciated
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Excellent video as usual Dave. One thing that no one seems to be talking about is the cost of recycling lithium batteries. Do you have any cost comparisons on a kg of recycled lithium carbonate versus a kg of mined and refined lithium carbonate? Because cynically, I think the decision on what source to use is going to be driven by economics rather than ethics.
Thank you
We need legislation to ban single-use Lithium batteries too. Disposable vapes are a huge problem for the waste industry
Dave, thank you for this wonderful video. I hope you are having a great day.
Thanks Sheila. You too :-)
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The seaotters thank you for reducing oil use ❤
Mechano-chemistry sounds pretty interesting. No exotic temperatures or pressures needed.
Still see almost zero recycling of almost anything here in Alaska. There are a couple places that will take SOME recycled materials, but you have to deliver to them, and most things do not pay much at all in scrap value.
If you look at the impact of global warming vs the impact of overly-full landfills, the landfill problem is a literal drop in the bucket. I'd happily dig holes and shove everything in there if we can keep temperatures under control. Of course, if we can reuse the components of batteries so that they can help reduce carbon emissions, I'm all for it, but otherwise, it's really not worth worrying about.
Congrats on the Fully Charged panel inclusion. Looking forward to vids.
They neef a moonshot initiative awarded to the top 5 or so and folow up initiatives to push multiple technologies higher. The awards can help with funding upgrades for the following year.
There are two ways recycling can progress. One is government directive. The other is if it is possible to make a profit from it. A higher tax on mined raw materials will help for the profitability of recycling.
It may be both an advantage and a disadvantage to put a recycle deposit on a product. If the cost of recycling fall before it is recycled it will just be a higher profit to the manufacturer. If it becomes more expensive (less profitable to recycle) then it either just won't happen or newer batteries become more expensive. In all cases it will be the consumer that pays.
If government has to pay - well then it is just all of us that pay through taxes or less government support for other things like health and education etc.
In the end it is allways the consumer or the people on the floor that pays.
Thanks for another excellent video cheers! :)
Thanks for the good news well explained.
Thanks Vivalaleta. Much appreciated.
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Great to see solid efforts being made to recycle batteries. Impressive technology and, yes, the mechanical method has my vote. On reflection, I wonder if battery designers give serious thought to making the recycling process as economic and efficient as technically possible; even if it would mean a small reduction in performance? Just ‘give it a thought’.
There needs to be end of life requirement for ease of recycling by all battery manufacturers so that they can be more easily dismantled which would reduce costs of recycling and enable faster adoption of new technologies as so much is battery dependent
Not so sure they are going to scale well. Ball mills are indeed used in mining huge sizes for years, but they are very energy inefficient because you basically lift tonns of steel balls with every rotation. The wear and tear is not neglectable too.
Factual and clear!
The old "buggeration factor" - second time I've fallen for it this month! 😀 In all seriousness, keep up the good work!
This is great!
Yes, another step forward. Positivities are appreciated.
Cheers snoopaka
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Somebody needs to come up with a way to address diminishing returns externalities generally. Perhaps AI will help with this, but it's obvious to me that with so many processes and ecosystem chemistry mix changes that we have the potential to generate increasing numbers of ecological disasters that can sneak up on us. Any kind of development community that ignores this, which is endemic to such process historically, is a both a potential contributor to such, but also one of the highest potential discoverers of such.
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Thanks
Thanks for your support. Much appreciated 😀
Interesting video
Chuck the batteries into the ore refinement pipeline of lithium mining. It's the richest ore you can imagine!
Designing in the final disassembly of the batteries should be ironed out between the manufacturers and those recycling the batteries. Limiting human interaction and making disassembly easier should be a good start for streamlining recycling.
Обработать один аккукумулятор в лаборатории это одно, а вот сделать это в фабричных масштабах это другое.
Думаю, еще 100 раз многие пожалеют на переход к электротранспорту.
Recyclico also recycles batteries. They hold some interesting patents.
you should do a video about those folks training ai to control robots to pick recyclable stuff out of a trash conveyor. i don't know how much success they'll have with that approach, but it's an interesting story
It's a thought
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Great video
Cheers Dermot
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I would like to see a kiosk similar to Coinstar collect batteries of any type and reward a pre-credit and post-credit as an incentive to recycle. People still toss batteries due to inconvenience.
Thanks for another quality presentation Dave 💚 🙌
He didn't do enough research to know *St Georges Eco Mining* exists in Canada & already underway with finalizing their recycling centers. 100% of all materials recycled are reused & resold. They recapture all rare earth metals into ingots, 99% spodumene & hydroxide purity and even recapture the aluminum. They even produce Hydrogen during its offgas stage.
They even own all the rights to Iceland and have amazing recent results recapturing rare earths from their geothermal plants.
He really failed to fully research this topic and who's on the forefront of the recycling process of battery reclamation (they even recycle alkaline batteries and can process raw ores too).
Ticker SXOOF in American markets, SX in Canada.
Cheers James. Much appreciated
@@JustHaveaThinkwhy did you fail to tell people about THE 100% battery recycler, St Georges Eco Mining?