They're All Wrong!! The REAL TRUTH About Todays Music!
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024
- There has been a lot of discussions lately about why today's music is so boring, bad and sounding the same. I'm here to give some perspective on that. Enjoy!
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#rant #modernmusic #goodolddays
YES! It's exausting to hear people dump on music. It ignores the efforts of everything happening around those individuals, and frankly shows their laziness to not hunt for something they enjoy but to complain that somehow the entire generation is doomed to bad music. If your mad at what apeals to the masses, then don't listen to what apeals to the masses. It's such a strange argument.
Eyyy Jeremy! I could have made the video a lot shorter just saying that 🤣
@@hoborec no please rant... your in good company
Jeremy- absolutely! You know? In 1986 I couldn't understand what people thought was so great about Bon Jovi. But millions loved them, so I set out to find out why. I discovered that pop music is also great, and that has broadened, not narrowed my scope.
We need to distinguish between pop music and "music" as a whole. The Top 40 vs all that's available. What's your favorite Zulu war chant? What about Mark Isham's Windham Hill releases? Gypsy Jazz? World Music? The average listener's palette is so small that these discussions are essentially irrelevant. Everything is streaming now, so of course there's a lot of "back in my day syndrome" but it has less to do with the music and more to do with the quality of experience. Music recording used to be a somewhat holy rite for musicians that very few people had access to. I don't think it's a delusional need to have my childhood validated as much as being inundated by media 24/4 (most of which my ears don't care for) The commercialization of music is absolutely relentless these days and 20 second blips on tik-tok and clever "placements" now drive the market. So, I don't know if Rick Beato et al always narrate their sentiments perfectly, but I I'm not going to pretend that I don't understand the general message.
Absolutely! I were never interested in the mainstream music anyways so this "problem" doesn't really touch me. I tend to hate the commercial pop a little less these days though. But there are so many explanations to why that could be.
I hope you didn't take my "debate piece" video as that I don't recognise all the alternative genres of music. I just wanted to provide some perspective to people who are concerned that the top charting pop music are declining.
I think all people over a certain age understand that general message. I just got tired of it and rather aim the little "anger" I have towards things that actually matter haha.
What I miss about todays market is giving bands a huge amount of time and resources to write/record albums. There are obviously many bad examples of records being overdone - but also example albums that would never been made without the patience given to the artists. I like the idea of an album getting on the billboard without having a single on it.
The album as a thing seems to be dead now, as an artist/band you are encouraged to release singles in shorter intervals. Making an album is a a bad use of resources.
It would also be interesting to see statistics and trends around organic instruments being used. When was the last time we heard a guitar or drum solo on the radio? Can think of a few at tops. Everything evolves, but trends comes and goes.
Thanks for a nice episode!
I get what you mean but it can also be flipped the other way.
These days you don't need a lot of money to make a really good pre-prod and writing demo. I bet there are tons of records released today that would never have been able to be made in the early days. At the same time back then some artists had super weird record deals where they were obligated to release a certain amount of albums within a specific time, resulting in a lot of crap from otherwise iconic bands.
To get attention you're right about the album/single situation. Established bands do still release albums successfully. It was never a good idea for a new band to come out and release a full album the first thing. We tried the whole thing with singles with the band I have with my girlfriend. We released one song each month for a full year and got some good attention for it. When all the songs were released we made it in to a physical album and started a whole new release process which was also relatively successful. I think you need to get outside the box a little bit. There's no rule that says you can't release every song of an album as singles before releasing the album =)
Don't know about solos but organic instruments have come and gone right? Late 90's feels like it had a lot of rock influenced pop. No doubt and stuff like that.
No you just have to produce your own. I'm 40% completed on a self-produced double album. See 30 years ago it took a few hundred thousand dollars to record a commercial album. Today you can do it at home.
Apart from the clickbaity title I enjoyed that.
Music has always been a money game and therefore the current winning "formula" will be copied until people get tired of it and there is a new winning formula.
Almost every original pop/rock icon we admire today, like e.g. Bowie, Pink Floyd, Sabbath, Prince, Led Zep, Neil Young… you name it, actually all started as underground until their formula got traction.
I started to get into music in the early 80s with Joy Division, the Cure and Birthday Party / Bad Seeds and literally nobody knew about them except for a few.
Cure and Bad Seeds play arena shows now. Joy Division are legendary. That still baffles me sometimes. I would never have thought at the time.
Well, many of us know that pop music has been a polished turd for a long time. We're just sick of the fact that 'pop music' gets forced on us especially in monocultural societies.
Personally, I now live in China and music is much more diverse. Big scenes in live music - particularly live metal, death metal, punk and thrash. Also K-pop. J-pop, and C-pop can be heard everywhere as well as some western music. Even a lot of trad music and Christmas songs (anytime of the year - if you've never heard Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer at 42 degrees and burning sun you've not had an interesting time. 🙂
Ha that is so cool to hear!
But one good thing is that now it's much easier to choose what to listen too. You don't have to be fed the same crap all day by the radio or tv. You have access to exactly what you like at basically any time.
The Warning, Freeze The Fall, The Sixsters, Pacifica and Plush to name a few i jam too.
I think the decline in the quality of music started with MTV. Since those days, we have been objectively spiraling downward. Nowadays, there are great exceptions in every genre of music, 100%, but overall, we produce a lot of rubbish, partly because even a 3-year-old can drag and drop some beats and create a song on a laptop.
Another problem is the lack of interest in music today. We have too many distractions (scrolling through social networks, Netflix, etc.), and art in general has been heavily affected. The best album in the world cannot compete with scrolling on Instagram or TikTok from a dopamine release perspective.
Video killed the radio star?? =)
Anyone can create and release music now. Which is fucking awesome!! The hard thing is to communicate it to people and to get people to care. But is the lack of interest in music really a thing?
Take Glastonbury Festival for example. They have been around since the 1970s. They have over 200.000 attendees every year. Last year they sold out in about an hour. This year they sold out in under 40 minutes. Apparently 2.5 million people tried to get tickets. Feels like the interest is pretty high.
Freeze The Fall-VHS. It's todays metal sound, from teens.
I’m definitely down for a good hard reality check on our taste, judgment and comparison. I think for me, some of the things I feel like I’m missing is a lack of risk and adventure and less predictability. But then again, maybe this says more about the music I let myself be surrounded by. I’m very bad at seeking out new things to like.
But that's nothing new is it? The really great piece of music that comes around every now and then that survives the time is not really the norm.
fucking extremely interesting take on this, for yrs ive been sick and slightly depressed recording bands for the organ grinder of modern music, copy paste autotune bla bla bla, for the last yr ive not recorded n had a brake from music, that's made me less sceptical and had way more enjoyment listening to music, im realising we live in good times for creativity. fuck social media though, it waters the experience down vastly, great video
Thank you soo much, means a lot!
Yeah, social media is really a blessing and a curse especially for musicians. It's democratising the marketing thing since it's easy to connect with lots of people. But fuck it's exhausting.
Yeah that’s what I’m commenting all the time on Rick Beato’s videos. Most that bring the argument “back in my day it was better” compare average modern pop songs with the few exceptional mega songs of the past. But if they had compared it to those average pop songs of their time it wouldn’t be any different.
Thanks, this is my point. Compare apples to apples right?
The level of production has never been better than now in all styles of music .
Exactly. Then on the other hand that's not always the best choice for particular songs but that's a matter of taste.
Thank you for being the voice of reason in this conversation. I enjoy music from many different eras, but I mainly listen to modern metal and honestly the only qualitative changes I've noticed between the different eras have to do with the technical limitations of the time period, which many engineers of the past did their best to overcome. Trends come and go, but good songs stand the test of time and I reckon many modern songs people like Beato bemoan will be classics in 30 years time.
A thing I would like to add personally is people need to stop constantly using the term "overproduced". The term means "more polished than it should be" and that's not an objective standard. Every artist has their own artistic vision and only they can determine whether the end result is overproduced or not.
Also love your shirt.
Thank you!
That's a great addition, and very important! I'm guilty of it myself every now and then tbh. I guess it goes hand in hand with me identifying with making a bit more rough productions and that I like it that way. But depending on who you ask a lot of people would consider my work over produced as well.
Heil Seitan! 🥕
Excellent video!! the slow zoom when reading the lyrics went crazy 😂🤘
spread the love for music, not the elitism!
Preach!! 🙌
You reading those lyrics was killing me lol.. This is a great video. I think your best one so far. Though I do like them all.
Thank you so much! Yeah this was fun to make. First time I made something so well planed and scripted. I'll do more of that for sure, mixed in with the more technical stuff.
Not much to say other than hell yea Brother! Also great pick for a desert island album.
Haha thanks 🙏
So what album would you bring?
@@hoborec Rum Sodomy & The Lash by The Pogues
Yup, very level headed and laid back discussion.
As far as desert island records go - I'd go with After the Gold rush 1970 and Mezzanine 1998 :)
Oh, if you pack both discs on one cover I'll allow it ;)
My one desert island record would probably be no record at all. If I listen to one thing too much I start hating it. I’ll just figure out how to make my own music with the coconuts and rocks. Haha.
I started looking for music on the internet real heavy in 2001 and I haven't got tired of finding new bands yet. That's different than trying to sort through the what's trending or what normies say. If you have good sources of information (or if you don't mess up your algorithms tbh) new stuff is easy to find.
A producer friend of mine has a daily routine to listen to new music for a certain time every day to keep updated.
It sounds very romantic when you say it. Maybe I should give it a try. My girlfriend feeds me with great new music though 😁
Ya man I agree 100%. I am 42 and I remember how much absolute shit you have to fast-forward/skip over when you bought an album in the 80s/90s. Todays music is quite good, I think people are just spoiled for options and can't decide what's good anymore because the standards are so high. People consider the golden age of music to be the 1950s or 60's but I've dug into that rabbit hole and there's even more bullshit to dig out from that era. It was so expensive to record anything back then that they had to make a lot of compromises on time and quality...so the listener usually only got 1 good song on an album.
And don't get me started on how bad sounding punk and metal was back then. Todays demos are better than most EP's back then.
Not to mention the skill level of most local metal bands compared to way back.
Hear, hear! I'm a generation ahead, and trust me the 70s were no better: Disco Duck, Convoy, Junk Food Junkie... but let's not forget such composing giants as Kiss...
Plus, the really important change is the one Beato et Al has ignored completely: 30 years ago only those who had a record deal even got to record at all! We have 60,000,000 independent releases in 2024. Many are undoubtedly very creative. Many, including my own, reflect a past musical tradition made new. Almost NONE are part of the mainstream music industry which isn't even paying artists anyway. How relevant is that?
One last thing. The day Rick Beato writes a better hit song than Taylor Swift, I'll eat my '71 Strat. I've subscribed to your channel, thanks!
Haha right on!
The democratisation of music is amazing really . Plus now it's much easier to chose what to listen too. Even though that can be a challenge in it self.
Thank you so much!
Good points . But, Production is one thing and writing and composing a Song is the other Part.
Where are the Songs today in the charts who have the same great composing, lyrics and performance like Stairway to Heaven, Bohemian Rapsody, the Riddle (so many different keys), tears in heaven, Tonight Tonight, Old Man, englishman in New York, another day in paradise and so on?
Big love for Shirt, btw. ❤
I think there a lot of great songs made still. But it will be very hard to get up on the throne with all the classics that are already there. It's not like they're going away. I just have a problem when some compare Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd with Justin Bieber for example. It's not a fair comparison and there were a lot of music worse than Bieber back then too.
Based on the music you mention, have you checked out Greta Van Fleet and The New Pornographers? They had multiple songs on the charts the last decade.
Thanks, Heil Seitan 🥕
@ Thanks for the recommendations!
There are still great compositions which make the charts. For example "hi ren" by Ren is masterpiece, Jacob Collier does crazy vocal harmonies, animals as leaders combine extreme metal and jazz with success.
Personally I care about great rhythm and a melancholic vibe, and I never had such a breath of new releases that I love like in recent years. For me personally charts don't matter anymore, as I can avoid radio and tv.
Here are some great and mostly lesser known artist from my.
Ahab
Akala
Alluvial
Anachronism
Antimatter
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There is one problem with (post-2000s) modern music: compression and loudness. Today's music is too perfect and overly produced. Truth is most music since the 1950s has suffered from poor songwriting and repetitive beats. Yes, there are bad pre-1950s music as well, but not to this extent. On the contrary, there are also great musicians around if you work hard to find them.
It's like Beavis and Butthead once said: "There's always been T.V.; there's just, like, more channels now." Some people just get a terminal case of, "Back in MY day...," and they use it to troll the rest of us for the algorithm.
Spot on! Cheers.
Hi Ulf, I'm of a similar age (a bit older...) and whenever I walk into a public place that plays modern pop music (say, stores), I think "wow, modern pop music sucks". But I think you're right. Pop music has always had one goal: Stick in your head. And I would add: sound recognizable, meaning: sound like other hot pop music of that time. I think that every decade has a ton of mediocre shit pop music but there are gems. I'm sure that nowadays there are gem pop songs too, it's just that I don't listen to modern pop anymore :P. I'm too old for that shit maybe ;)?
Desert island album? That's easy! It's "We Get Requests" by the Oscar Peterson Trio! Hail Seitan BTW!
I remember when I used to work at the post office and had to listen to the radio every day, I hated the radio pop. Now I almost never hear it and at the few times I do I often get impressed with lots of it, even if it's not my taste at all. The gems are what survived I think. It will be harder and harder to come up with those gems since the old ones still live.
Ah thanks for sharing the desert island album!!
I'm 49, and there has never been a better time in music than now. There's almost too much good stuff to get to it all. I love it. There's more bands and more musicians getting to record and release stuff now than ever before. Is there a lot of sh*t, yes, but there's a lot of amazing stuff too.
Yeah with 100.000 new released on Spotify daily there's some stuff to sort through hehe.
I was 18 in 1985 and I would have probably hated 2/3 of that album back then. Just listen to as much music as you can. Like what you like. If you make music, work at it. Make your music exciting and don't skimp.
Dina glasögon är minst lika snygga som mina. Så är det över 40. Det är bara att gilla läget! 🤘
Jag var glasögonorm när jag var liten men blev av med det då. Men nu känns det lite nytt och fräscht på nått sätt 😊
To me, it is two different things - one being a product that's made to make someone money, and the other is (or at least can be) a work of art.
Is it possible that something can be both? There are a lot of professional artists in all kinds of arts and they all need to make money, unfortunately.
But yeah, I know what you mean and I agree. Top chart pop music has always been the first option. Nothing new.
@@hoborec It can be both, but in general I don't think of most of the music that is played on commercial radio, as art. But there are always exceptions of course.
Exakt! Sagt samma sak i över ett decennium.
Det produceras så helvetes mycket musik, och har gjort det hur länge som helst dessutom. Så saknar man den där virveln med gate:ad reverb så finns det garanterat 100 band du aldrig hört som gör det idag.
Den mesta musik är väl alltid skit egentligen. Sen att det släppt sånna kopiösa mänger nu när väl att det finns mer skit per capita kanske haha
Bästa avsnittet hittills. Det här är din grej. Kör hårt!
Tack fan vad kul att höra. Tog dock en jävla tid haha
@hoborec Det var det värt!
Neil Young - Harvest! Great choice Ulf!
What's yours? =)
"pastism" is a common human bias, we tend to only remember the good thing of the past and idolize it (hello conservatism). Also, that is a weird elitism to keep telling that popular musics are inherently less good or not valuable. I agree with you and I unsubscribe from Rick beato because of this :) :) :) I love that you point out the sexism in the industry too!
Yeah I just realised that the kind of pastism as you say is what Beato is doing and people get all riled up about it. It's kind of a dangerous mechanism tbh.
The inequality of the genders surprised me. I actually didn't think the gap was still that big. Differences that big is not by chance.
@@hoborec Exactly, It is not mere luck that make thoses gaps.. And it's everywhere in the society.
Keep doing what you're doing!
Hey man, as promised, here I am. Cool video, not as controversial as I thought 😁 but it's really cool and I agree with you, especially in some parts! I've subscribed too 💪
My desert island record: Jeff Buckley-Grace
Haha sweet! Hope you’re not disappointed 😅
Good choice! 1994 is one of my favourite years for records.
Absolutely not disappointed! Your thoughts are really there in-between both views. I totally respect and agree with that but we could talk about this subject for ever 😁
Saw Sleep Token on Tuesday and Idles,Gojira last year...so I still have faith in good music. Grew up on Roxy Music, Dire straits, Boney M and Abba thx to my parents. Also 43 years old, so my Music went from Slayer,Nirvana, thunder dome to Ace of Base,because all she wants is....😂
Amazing! Just go along with all the cool stuff going on =)
God damn, this needed to be done !
It did, didn’t it? Thanks 🙏
Damn. Great discussions!
Thanks man, so refreshing to hear someone on RUclips share this message. I TOTALLY agree with you on everything. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks! I just think it's a sad attitude to act like you're loosing something because other things than the specific thing you like also exits.
That t-Shirt is awsome :)
Heil Seitan 🥕
I go to Old Time fiddle jams. Every song sounds the same
Great Video!!
Thanks so much Paul!!
skönt per spektive en frisk fläkt i hjärnan till oss otacksamma människor tack
music.ruclips.net/video/ccl4un5X6XE/видео.html&si=wvJl-mf3SYkmQmFW
Tack för det!
Jag vill veta mer om historien bakom fotot i länken du skickade haha
Love it man!
Thanks!!
Ulf setting the record straight!
"What bands did you grow up listening to? Leave your bands in the comments:"
Grace Will Faaaaall! 🫂
I think the main difference can be summarized with a quote from Marshall McLuhan: "The medium is the message".
Blabla the French revolution was not the actual irreversible event. The printing press a couple of years before it was. It was not the texts in the letters. It was that we now could distribute thoughts at an alarming speed, no longer held back by Central Authority in the same manner et. c.
I grew up watching morning cartoons, VHS tapes, putting Fugees and rock bands on cassette from grandpa's radio. TV still ruled but throughout my life and it has slowly switched to the internet. Kids today won't grow up watching broadcast TV. The rockstar was often broadcasted live and recorded for television, feeding into the participatory culture of grand live shows and live music with performers to be adored and emulated by millions.
The convenience of digital music production slowly switching affected me in my teens, we started demoing with our multiFX pedals when the (canonically) second wave of Metalcore came around and it was time for me to play music around the age of 15. With every subsequent evolution of "extreme rock" since that point, save for incredibly niche scenes and explorations, has had more and more production trickery first explored by modern production trends associated with Pop, EDM, Rap et. c.
Knocked Loose playing Jimmy Kimmel now... Hahah... Poppy larping as a plant only to launch a metal band... Pop and Metal has arguably never been this close culturally nor technically.. but demographically it makes sense as metal is recognized as the categorically most popular genre across cultures according to some music experts.
The computer is taking over.
And I'm not sour about it honestly... We're having this renaissance of music that's revisiting and morphing sounds of the past with new conventions and realizations of what made previous eras great. I do hope meat space participatory culture makes a comeback though, but I trust the kids of the future to figure that out.
Fuck you all, Grace will fall!!
Wow that was an elaborate comment =)
Yeah I'm also pretty positive to how sub cultures are morphing. I used to be upset about it but then again, as I mention in the video, these cultural expressions are so damn young. Too young for any one to make a claim really. Let it roam free haha.
Yeah so what you are saying is that all the pop shit isn’t shit it’s just pop and it was always shit unless you happen to like it. Gotcha bro
Bra video!
Tackar tackar!
I agree totally!
Me also! 😁
You've found a third rate compilation record from 85. Great job!
Haha probably, do you have a better one?
Those albums were always shit. That doesn't really prove anything.
Yes, that is the point. I'm comparing apples to apples. It doesn't prove anything to say that Pink Floyd made better music than Justin Bieber, it's not a fair comparison. I just wanted to show that maybe things aren't acutely becoming so much worse that some tend to feel.
Congrats you have discovered every era has shite art the gems are mixed in.
The difference between them and noe is now you don't need to know how to play a single instrument, and y'all will be complaining about ai generated music taking over in 3.2....
You didn't have to be able to play an instrument in 1985 either. Actually not back in the 60s either. You just let someone else play all the instruments.
hahahaha great title
Thank you 🤩
Tired of seeing these youtubers call out other youtubers and have their faces in the thumbnails. So childish. RUclips is slowly rotting.
I get what you mean. But I’m not really calling anyone out. Just a graphic reference to the topic.
It’s called discussion. He didn’t insult anyone or talk shit. It’s a solid POV
Ya. Back in my day RUclips had soul.
The title is such obnoxious clickbait, the actual video isn't likely to be very good.
Hahaha I did my best 🤣
Actually put some effort in the video too.
As unfortunate as it is, we live in an algorithm now.
You can choose to be a slave to the algorithm or not.
@@stevedoesnt True, just trying to play the game 🤷♂
@@fclefjefff4041 I choose to try to get more people to watch my videos. I don't really think the title or thumbnail is deceptive. It's exactly what the video is about. You clicked it right?
I listened to those youtube videos and all I can think of is how metal kind of does not apply to it.
Metal has its issues with sounding the same now a days but generally I don't think it applies to what they're talking about.
At the end of the day the worst part about music... is the people.
Oooh interesting. During some periods I’ve had the opposite perception. I got really tired of metal because I thought it all sounded the same. In hindsight it was probably just me getting tired of it.
I probably just didn’t have the energy to follow the trends haha.
Over all i think there are way more really good metal bands active now than it was before.
I agree 50% with your finishing statement. People are both the best and the worst thing with my job.