Jannik Sinner doping case: Why men's tennis world No 1 is at risk of a ban after WADA appeal
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Sky Sports News reporter Geraint Hughes explains why men's world No 1 Jannik Sinner is at risk of being banned from tennis; WADA have launched an appeal against a decision to clear Sinner of responsibility for his two positive tests for banned substance Clostebol earlier in 2024
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Looks guilty. He plays incredible physical and is super tiny. Goes nr 1 after testing positive. You cycle steroids and wears off and you blame it on a cream. Obviously they knew this cream before they started taking sustance orally.
You are misinformed
The negligence of Sinner, from what we know, would have amounted to not asking his physio to use gloves to massage him, given that he had a wounded finger, something that I assume no sportsman does.
Most massage therapists don’t wear gloves.
@@tdane5017 in fact, I would be surprised if they do
@@HermanWaldorf Yeah, Roddick also said this, it's ridiculous.
Sinner has been already judged and acquitted.
Wada does not think Sinner has doped, this is quite clear and has been established by an independent tribunal. Only appeals on the point he may have been negligent. A ban may be (and was in this case) eliminated entirely from the picture as a result of No Fault or Negligence when an individual can establish that they did not know or suspect, or could not have reasonably known or suspected, even with the utmost caution that they had violated an anti-doping rule.
The matter was adjudicated independently. ITIA took the matter to an independent tribunal that has ruled the player is innocent, there is no fault or negligence, just gave him a sanction for objective responsibility eliminating the Indian Wells result.
This is the first time in history WADA appeals the decision of an independent tribunal. Sinner is treated worse than 100% of sportsmen before him. In the past, WADA has only appealed federation and national anti-doping decisions and sanctions. Also, if there is fault or negligence sanction must include cancellation of all results according to anti-doping law, so Wada is contradictory.
Negligence means knowing. WADA must prove Sinner knew - good luck to them - and also that he is the greatest idiot on Planet Earth, because the quantity is one billionth of a gram and he would have risked the destruction of his career for that. Objective responsibility is not negligence.
That's an unfalsifiable claim
Bingo 🎉🎉😂 tout ce cirque !!! C'est pour faire de l audimat et soldi soldi !!! Et becoups se frottent les mains 🤲 chacalli 😂😂😂forza jannik tiens bon !!! Siamo con te 🎉😊😊champion 😊
@@concettadalimonte8476 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂...
There were other players that WADA did nothing at all. 😂 idiots … they just want to make money!!
Exactly
It is ridiculous to bring all the examples that have little or nothing to do with the Sinner case, while there are many similar cases that have been acquitted, with or without WADA having appealed to the CAS, the footballer Josè Palomino, the tennis players Bortolotti and Matilde Paoletti and many others, all with Clostebol contamination and with higher values found by the tests.
Instead, we should ask WADA why it did not appeal against Bortolotti (350 ATP not as famous as Sinner) and especially against the 23 Chinese swimmers who had been judged innocent by a biased Chinese court (and usually in these "national" cases WADA has always or almost always appealed), while Sinner by an independent court with the advice of 3 WADA experts.
In response, the ITIA confirmed the correctness of their procedure and the sentence of complete acquittal, without fault or negligence, issued by the independent court in August, as well as in the two urgent appeals of April.
WADA has been heavily criticized in recent years and now it would like to regain credibility at the expense of the world number 1, and it is no coincidence that the possible confirmation of president Witold Bańka will soon take place.
Most likely CAS will pass the verdict in favour of Jannik .
Precisely this, Bortolotti is the closest case we have. Underrated comment.
His fellow Italian Sara Errani tested positive and was rightfully banned. She also had an equally ridiculous excuse. Something to do with contamination of her mother's pasta! Don't be naive people, Sinner was caught taking steroids. Simple as that.
@@francescojsb absolutely agree!! At the end of the day it is money… who in WADA needs to be paid??? JMHO
In the case of the 23 Chinese swimmers, WADA itself expressed ““WADA ultimately concluded that it was not in a position to disprove the possibility that contamination was the source of TMZ and it was compatible with the analytical data in the file. WADA also concluded that, given the specific circumstances of the asserted contamination, the athletes would be held to have no fault or negligence. As such, and based on the advice of external counsel, WADA considered that an appeal was not warranted.
WADA Senior Director, Science and Medicine, Prof. Olivier Rabin, said: “The WADA Science Department reviewed this case thoroughly in June and July 2021. Indeed, we even sought new pharmacokinetic and metabolism information on TMZ from the manufacturer and tested several hypotheses, including doping strategies with low TMZ doses, in assessing the plausibility of the contamination scenario that was presented to WADA. Ultimately, we concluded that there was no concrete basis to challenge the asserted contamination. Indeed, the contamination scenario was further supported by the combination of the consistently low concentrations of TMZ as well as no doping pattern with several athletes presenting multiple samples collected over the course of several days which fluctuated between negative and positive (and vice versa). In all transparency, we communicated the conclusions of our scientific review to internal and external investigators, including the International Testing Agency.”” adding that there has been misleading media coverage of the matter.
Btw. Swimmers from China were the most tested athletes leading up to the Olympics in Paris, with an average of 21 anti-doping tests each - nearly four times as many as their American counterparts. The American team had each of its 46 athletes undergo six tests during the same period. Australia had its 41 athletes tested an average of four times each.
Oops, huh? 😂
So, hypothetically, I can rub clostebol on my hands and then go to a tennis courts, where the opponent of my fave player is practicing and have a little handshake and an autograph, and pass the clostebol to his/hers sweaty hands. Hypothetically! And then wave them “good luck”. WADA BE SERIOUS! Anyone can do that from the “fans” who doesn’t like the certain player and get them banned. Sometimes player is not responsible
He should of been banned already
@@henrypacquette1489why do you hate your life
He just fired his fitness coach only after the news broke out. The guy was also a pharmacist. People are very gullible 😂
Yes. Which is why it's curious that Sinner and his team would be so casual about bringing a banned substance from Italy THAT IS CLEARLY LABELED A DOPING RISK.
@@becausemiro all tennis players areu fully responsibl for their team and for every substance they use so.
To say the amount matters is laughable! If it’s almost out of his system it’s going to be a low amount. Obviously his goal was to micro dose outside of competition and at night so it’s out his system before testing. They prob tested him early those days or he took it too late. Cannot believe people are taking his ridiculous story at face value. Anyone can use this same stupid excuse anytime they get caught!
WADA agrees that Sinner did not intentionally dope. But for some reason, they still want to ban him for being 'negligent'. So their appeal will try to prove negligence. If they win, all players will be expected to police every aspect of their day, from what they eat to whom they come in contact with, and will have to keep track of everything their employees carry with them and know themselves whether substances are safe instead of hiring people to take care of it for them. This is what Sinner did. He hired a pharmacist/trainer and signed him to a contract where the trainer was supposed to know the anti-doping rules and what was banned and keep them away from him (Sinner). The trainer broke his contract and is the cause of this whole problem. How was Sinner was supposed to predict that that would happen? But that's what WADA wants to prove. That Sinner was negligent for not doing something to prevent the trainer from breaking his contract.
I believe CAS will pass the verdict in favour of Sinner there are 4 very similar cases were players were acquitted for inadvertent contamination .
Wada agrees that sinner did not dope. but the whole case is built on throwing big words like doping loosely all around. Now they think it is negligence. But then they also seem to have agreed it is not even negligence. Maybe if someone is suffering from 'inability to follow thru logic' it will be called wada syndrome.
Is this why the case has been appealed to CAS and WADA's assessment is that ITIA's decision does not comply with the applicable regulations, which is also a reason why they propose a 1-2 year quarantine? 😂
Pls provide concrete information about the case, which according to you undermine WADA’s investigations 🤭
And what’s your opinion on Giacomo Naldi, his physiotherapist, who, before joining Sinner’s team in 2023, worked with the Italien basketball team Virtus Bologna when, in July 2021, a player tested positive for carboxy THC? 😂
@@Smalldeine The player took the substance himself. It had nothing to do with Naldi. Pretending someone is guilty for knowing someone is one of the hallmarks of conspiracy theorists. 😂
@@billiey36 Who took what himself? And if Naldo was irrelevant to the matter, why was he then fired by Sinner? I look forward to hearing your explanation of something that, according to you, has nothing to do with each other, but has factually had consequences for the person you say is insignificant 🤭
.000000001 of clostaball is not doping.
Wada is a joke. Stay strong Sinner.
Agreed !
wada is like 1 is one too many
it's waaay behind from being 1
Lower limits because it was way higher weeks/months earlier…..
@@chunpang7335 where? or its something you think?
A guess
Sinner doesn’t need to cheat, but people need to stop going on about this tiny number.
It's not just Sinner though, is it? How many Italian tennis players have tested positive at this stage? 5 or 6?
Sara Errani had an equally ridiculous story. She said her mother contaminated her pasta with steroids. 😆
So You think Sinner would be so stupid to take an amount of a drug that doesn’t improve his performance and risk his carrier? In an future event some 30 players have been contaminated by food served to them by the hotel. So how can they be responsible for that?
@@imatrOlda They use masking agents. He would have been using a lot more than what was detected.
@imatrOlda Why was it in his system then? And don't give me this contamination bs! As I understand it, that drug is a masking agent for other performance enhancing drugs
@imatrOlda As professionals, they are responsible for everything that goes into their bodies! The drug that was detected is a masking agent, so your argument holds no water.
7:45 people saying the doping is minute and that potential benefits are minimum need to see it from a different perspective. So many competitive games are lost by the barest minimum (eg. WC 2022, Wimbledon finals, T20 WC). Imagine being on the losing end of such close games and learning that your opponent had a medical advantage?? Top level sports need to be at the ultimate parity. No other way round it
This discussion still annoying … discussion for nothing
This is a dead horse.
It's good to have this type of discussion. The guy has won two grand slams while testing positive for steroids. He will be banned soon.
Nein hat er nicht , lese die karten@@wonkim5166
@@wonkim5166That’s not what happened, educate yourself, read the news.
@@wonkim5166 That is just your wish because you hate him. Reality is that he is been ruled innocent by WADA experts.
How shameless these people are... something rotten with world... he tested twice and skipped olympics just to not caught.....
Even funnier when we know how the Olympics are much stricter compared to other national agencies
I BET ON MY LIFE that if it was Djokovic and not Sinner EVERYONE will be the first to sharpen the pitchfork and demand life long ban,to be barred for life,to return all the throphies,to pay 100+ milion in fines and so much more. AND people like yourself would PRAISE THE WADA FOR BEING SO GREAT AT THEIR WORK.
He just fired his fitness coach only after the news broke out. The guy was also a pharmacist. People are very gullible 😂
Funny thing is that if Alcaraz was in his place, all of Sinner`s "now defenders" would say exactly the opposite and would want him banned. And that says it all.
Here we have a clairvoyant.
@@doctrinehigh i thought it was obvious.
Not true. Carlito is great, and as he and Jannik are friends (even though rivals when they play against ech other), so the supporters should have the same sportsmanship and respect these two beautiful athletes have for each other.
@@ritapasqui4965 absolutely! Well said. At the end of the day it’s common sense and money talks!
I don't even know who can consider this doping on any athlete and would want him banned regardless of who you root for
He should be banned for 4 years. Same as Halep and other sport participants. Sure it's from spray, he used drugs for sure. Crooks
WADA's action is a big mess.
What, according to you, is the specific problem with WADA's investigation? 😂
Interesting now its WADA BUT I BET ON MY LIFE that if it was Djokovic and not Sinner EVERYONE will be the first to sharpen the pitchfork and demand life long ban,to be barred for life,to return all the throphies,to pay 100+ milion in fines and so much more. AND people like yourself would PRAISE THE WADA FOR BEING SO GREAT AT THEIR WORK.
@GoranSton no you're wrong.
Wada did nothing on Chinese swimmers 😂😂😂😂😂
ergo, Sinner is Chinese?
@@USUG0 ergo, WADA is untrustworthy
Exactly. He is not Chinese unfortunately. We know the west folds like a leaf when it comes to china
Too funny what about other players. Stop introducing Swimmers of one country only.
But It Is true, so?
Sinner is being subject of WADA's ambition to make a statement. The amount found is too low to justify a suspension. It would be very bad for tennis if this is happening.
Someone needs to scrutinise and investigate wada so they know what it feels like
@@JasonBlake-o1u 🤣🤣🤣high time they investigate many of these institutions!!
What, according to you, is the specific problem with WADA's investigation? 😂
Have FAITH Jannik Sinner.. .. God know’s everything! God is good all the time and all the time God is good!!! God bless you more!!! 🙏❤️
The doping explains his sudden rise to the top from the end of last year till now. The fact that 2 top officials in ATP are Italians helped making his 2 positive tests a secrecy & swept it under the rug for 6 months to enable him to become world #1. There’s just too much corruption in tennis
wada shd be sued for how they are misleading public thru this case. How people are thinking sinner is doping. sir, that is not the casse. some freak accident of a physio passing miniscule amounts to sinner has been established. No doping involved whatsoever.
@@Kat-zj5kdThat was the claim of Sinner and his team which was lapped up by ITAT curiously without any investigation or inquiry 😂
@@michael8597 not really, he was sanctioned for a week and had to skip his points in India wells. No doping is involved - the amount was less than 1 billionth of a gm - the physio thing was enquired and even wada is not disputing that. Negligence that is being claimed is that he shd have checked with his physio any otc medications they are using (and check the ingredients list)
People, Mr Sinner is the Italian sinner. He has being doping like no one. In case you guys don't know, there is a cocktail that hide the "doping" substance. Now the ATP association knows EXTREMELY well about this issue and has done NOTHING. Mr. Sinner because of his fragile body knew that his had to take doping. And indeed it help him; his body became stronger. That is unfair for the honest and good willing professional tennis players. Mr. Sinner must be taken to jail because he has stolen MILLIONS of dollars in the process. LET US PLAY FOR JUSTICE. We must not give up.
It's not just about the money that this player unfairly earned. He has seriously damaged the sport with all the wins with the cheating.
@@wonkim5166 That is right. And it appears he has gotten away with the cheating. How come some pay dearly and others don't for cheating? Have no idea.
The lack of transparency in this case is what is troubling. And that Sinner was given the benefit of the doubt when other athletes are not afforded the same consideration. It comes down to the athlete being held responsible for everything that they use and consume - and this is how it should be.
But the amount found was negligible. Surely any ban should be based on an athlete having at least remotely benefited from said substance for it to be realistically considered cheating
@@funkslave9425 he tested positive twice.
@@donna25871 so what you are saying is food that has been consumed by Tara, without knowing the drug was in the steak… and held responsible! I think Novak pointed out the correctness of it all… too many tests from too many bodies and no consistency in the system! That is why he was and still is promoting PTPA ! In my opinion at the end of the day it is all a money making racket!! We are treated like mushrooms! So don’t believe everything the media says! Sometimes we need to use out sixth sense to know what really happened!! Negligence or not!! There were 3 court hearings and all of them have found Sinner not wrong. Now WADA did not do their job properly at the Olympics about the swimmers so they want to go after Sinner to prove themselves correct! Or how much did they get paid by the Chinese to not take it further?? Will we know ? Not openly!! So we really need to look behind the scenes! JMHO.
@@funkslave9425 Is it your opinion that what constitutes a doping offense in cross-country skiing and other sports - where it can lead to long-term bans - should not result in exclusion from tennis? 😂
Can someone akk this simple question: If other players that had almost the same stories and equaly meaningless amount of steroid in their body and everyone got banned. Why should Sinner get a pass?
Name one other person where it's the same case with meaningless amount that got banned.. I'll wait.
@@Mint_Mushroom2976Simona Halep was banned.
Justice must prevail.
Exactly, and Jannik will be free finally!
These clowns working at Wada must pay compensation to Sinner just for stressing him even more.
It's their job!
I BET ON MY LIFE that if it was Djokovic and not Sinner EVERYONE will be the first to sharpen the pitchfork and demand life long ban,to be barred for life,to return all the throphies,to pay 100+ milion in fines and so much more. AND people like yourself would PRAISE THE WADA FOR BEING SO GREAT AT THEIR WORK.
Did it give any physical advantage to the sinner? fuk no!! so end of fkin story!!!!!!
Is this why the case has been appealed to CAS and WADA's assessment is that ITIA's decision does not comply with the applicable regulations, which is also a reason why they propose a 1-2 year quarantine? 😂
Pls provide concrete information about the case, which according to you undermine WADA’s investigations 🤭
And what’s your opinion on Giacomo Naldi, his physiotherapist, who, before joining Sinner’s team in 2023, worked with the Italien basketball team Virtus Bologna when, in July 2021, a player tested positive for carboxy THC? 🤭
@kieran1990able excuse me, it is irrelevant. If it had been Serena Williams she would have been kicked! And watch your language!
Is being able to put on muscle 100x faster at the gym and recover 100,000x faster than any normal person considered a physical advantage? 🤡
but nearly half of american athletes have asthma and they require special "drug". Is that normal ?
trump says fake news
Sinner is way too high up on the ranking to risk his career in taking steroids.
Give it up Wada. You are joke.
Sinner is way too right nation to be banned
Try telling that to Lance Armstrong lol
People take steroids in order to become the best in the world. I can't believe how naive people are. Professional sports is awash with performance enhancing drug use. There's millions of dollars at stake.
@@Clarke2316Lance was actually benefiting from the doping. There is no evidence to claim that Jannik has
yea well said.. 😉
This Is not doping, if he Is banned I will stop watching tennis, this is ridiculous
Like anyone will care if you quit watching tennis LMAO 🤣🤣
Me too! If they suspend Sinner even for just one day, I'm done with tennis.
@@lagreg2183 no please! the world needs you 😂
Lol okay bye already
Same.
Fuori Sinner, fine del tennis! Alcaraz da solo non fa ascolti. Poi ai bambini cosa diremo? Che Sinner è un truffatore? Un pessimo uomo? Un cattivo esempio per tutti?
Il mondo del tennis è stanco di vedere giocatori spaccare racchette, urlare come Lupi dopo un punto, insultare raccattapalle, deridere gli avversari, offendere i giudici di sedia. I nostri ragazzi hanno bisogno di credere in brave persone e SINNER è molto di più di una brava persona!!!!
Eventhough without Sinner... the Tennis could not be boring a lots of Tennis player better than Sinner....I watched Tennis since 1976..... Alcaraz is the best Tennis Player in his time....
They compare him to Roger Federer...Raphael Nadal.. Djocovick not to Sinner ....Sinner play Tennis to boring...
@@maryjanechavez5357change drug dealer
@@maryjanechavez5357 YT will be better without you too.
@@maryjanechavez5357 boring perhaps, but he beats the crap out of his opponents.
@@maryjanechavez5357 you are absolutely right: Sinner cannot be compared to them, by fact he's NUMBER ONE!!!! 😁
If they ban him..I turn off tennis for a long time.
Agreed!!! I feel the same way!!!
Who cares😂😂
And risk not seeing RF, sometimes 😊 I think not😊
Ok bye 👋 Sinner is so boring, I never watch him.
Who cares. Not sure others players agreed with you.
He was contaminated from his phisio stop to attack him!!!!
Djokovic fan trying to stay relevant when their champ is retiring, so they have to hate someone for it.
He is liable for everything that goes into his body. Not his team, not his parents.. HE is liable
Well, than sinner should check every time what have touched the physio before treating him.... but get real please
he's responsible for his team
@@mrcitizenful doesn’t matter rules are ridiculous, Wada is a joke
WADA SHOULD NOT INTERFER WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED> SINNER IS INNOCENT
Wada is 🤡🤮
How patetic explanations speaks this man against Sinner!!!
UNCAC should investigate WADA's administrators, practice, procedures and system for trading in influence, abuse of functions and abuse of power!!
all the athletes should be under the same rules, and they aren't babies and they are responsables for everything including in your game, practices, food, etc.
Sinner did not ingest anything, he was not given anything that he did not have to ask about. It is a case of contamination.
@@FratelliLamieraTV ... is he a kid, why did he not check what was applied to his proverbials?
The only cheat here is an agency who tries to destroy someone's career. Cut the crap about him being number 1 and getting away with doping, him being number 1 is the reason why they're trying to do everything possible to prevent him to be so dominating.
So why did not Wada punish the 23 Chinese swimmers? Also, there is a difference between the "private" and the "public/relational" sphere of a team member: Sinnner was not eating or drinking something given by his coach (which would definitely be negligence)! Naldi was using the cream for HIS OWN finger (without knowing himself that it had the substance, because it had been given to him by yet another team member)! That was something "personal" like a soap or an aftershave: how could Sinner imagine that?
Well. Why initially was kept so longs? Only review after few months.? The things getting too hot now and is very hard to put off the fire.
These are professional athletes who know the laws. Both them and their teams know the laws. They are responsible for their wellbeing. There is no excuse for accidental contamination from these professional athletes.
I just don’t buy their stories anymore now I know how the game works. Clearly his micro dosing routine flopped. That’s actually what happened.
Hmmm.... i understand why he skipped olympics
You know, that is a really good point. I didn't see why he would skip such a huge event for his career at that time. Now it all makes sense.
So basically all sportspeople should know by heart all the names of the banned substances and check if any people who touch them have taken any, never even shake hands, lots of people have eczema or dermatitis and they might have used a corticosteroid before shaking an athlete hand. This is absurd.
I don't question WADA's standards nor Sinner's innocence in this matter. But I wondered about the explanation by Sinner's team. Topical ointments can be absorbed through the skin when applied, with or without a wound. Whoever applied it on Sinner, should have checked the ingredients. Too bad, Sinner may be an excellent talent on the court, but it is still an organized sport where certain rules are applied to all.
I don’t get the outrage. Negligence should be punished. It is a tennis’ player’s job to know what is being put in their body.
I dare all the "sinner played dope" commentators to go back and watch Sinner play over the last four years, and watch his skills slowly improve into the player he is now. He's become #1 through tenacity, difficult matches, and hard work against tough opponents.
And, further, do you want your life audited to this level of scrutiny? Would you handle it the way he did?
And if you don't want to watch his story unfold, aiming to understand him, then do you have the right to condemn him?
We are sometimes very hasty to attack people in ways that have major consequences, when we ourselves have nothing to lose.
Hard work and tenacity do not align with the sudden increase in Sinner’s endurance and stamina! He tested positive 2X! How is this all unintentional? How do we know how much of this enhanced drug was in his system prior to flushing it out?!?! This is all suspicious!
Well said ! Who are we to judge!!
@@harlan5102 Let's try a few questions on you and see how you do. Try to answer at least ONE of the following in an educated fashion.
1. When do you see Sinner's increase in endurance and stamina? Which years, which matches? What period?
2. How often are tennis players drug-tested?
3. How quickly do testosterone-based drugs clear the human physical system?
@@harlan5102
Finally someone who understands
How doping works, correct he was probably in the washout phase when he was tested his team got there timing wrong...
I always thought that he looked a little short of being a top 5 player, then his power and speed of recovery seemed to increase. He got injured in one tournament, and had to retire. I was shocked to see him back on tour the following week like nothing had happened. Steroids can greatly increase the rate of recovery, which is one of the primary reasons they are used in sport.
If they are re opening the case then Sinner has probably done something again why else would they reopen it months later? This could be very damaging for Sinner
Bortolotti was in the same situation and did not get banned
👉Jannik Sinner is for sure guilty and telling, not the true . I do not understand why so many athletes in the past were suspended for multiple months or even forever, but in his case, it happens nothing
We would like Sinner to return his dirty-won trophies, it is not fair that he can continue playing and winning everything with the 2 doping tests, everything was so explicit destroying all the players on the tour, including Medvedev and Djokovic, it is not normal, honestly poor Meddy!! :*(
Sinner continued to be tested and never tested positive again. How are his trophies not fairly won?
We must support justice. Now days, all these corrupt professional players argue: "Oh, I did not know, I ate contaminated meat" Now the case of Mr. Sinner is a lot, a lot, more "sinister". He argues that he was contaminated with a spray. Americans, we must fight for justice in this world. Mr. Sinner was responsible and MUST pay dearly for his criminal activity.
OMG this guy has won at the Shanghai Rolex Masters. WADA please ban this cheater ASAP!
Physio person didn't have the basic knowledge that when you have an "open woun" on your HANDS AND USE a "healing" substance for it, YOU MUST WEAR GLOVES, to prevent any cross-contamination of any kind???!!!
And what a coincidence that around that time Sinner gained more muscles mass and became STRONGER !!!!🤔🎾
Wait at least until you're eighteen and pass some basic intelligence tests before launching into certain witty reflections, clearly made without having read a single line of the acquittal sentence.
His physio was a pharmacist, yet he was supposedly taking steroids for a minor cut to his hand, knowing full well that having steroids anywhere near Sinner could potentially lead to a contamination. It is all lies. Sinner was caught taking steroids, it is as simple as that. If he wasn't so high profile, he would have been banned already.
@Seagalfree2024 When did Sinner gain muscle mass? He looks literally the same as he did when he was like 16 🤣 and he was hitting the ball like a truck and crushing forehands all the way through Futures. It's strange that you're pretending he 'clearly' looks like he's on steroids when in reality he is much the same
@@jfr1995 You don't understand performance enhancing drugs. Body builders used them to get bigger, but athletes use them in many different ways to gain a competitive edge.
@jeffbrunswick5511 my comment was clearly directed at OP suggesting he's gained an abnormal amount of muscle muss. Where is the evidence of this? Sinner has been hitting the ball hard since he was like 15 and I see nothing to indicate he has put on a suspicious amount of muscle
...obviously it was not deep tissue massage or sweedish massage . Am I missing something.. how can you apply pressure through massage if you are cut...?
Then any parent is responsible for the acts of his child anyway and shall go to jail for his child stupidity which occasionally is done even if education has been exemplary. Gimme a break!
I BET ON MY LIFE that if it was Djokovic and not Sinner EVERYONE will be the first to sharpen the pitchfork and demand life long ban,to be barred for life,to return all the throphies,to pay 100+ milion in fines and so much more.
Where was WADA during Lance Armstrongs reign, where was WADA during Mo Farah and Galen Rupps career under Alberto Salazar, where was WADA when 23 Chinese swimmers cheated as part of a state wide doping system, where is WADA when every other day a Kenyan track and field athlete gets busted ?, no, lets focus all of our might behind a tennis player who had one billionth of a gram of a banned substance somehow in his system. How many more times do we need to see an athletes life ruined because of WADA and their drawn out legal process. CAS wont hear this case this year, their schedule is full, so Sinner is the victim here either way, his mental health and well being will be destroyed through the stress of all of this. Shameful
If they ban him I will completely stop and look forward watching tennis . Can’t handle noises in the court or grunts
Ok bye 👋 Sinner is boring. I'm obsessed with tennis because of Carlos, Nole, Rafa and seeing Roger Federer in the crowd.
Wada did nothing on chinese swimmers....
Be serious !!
Sinner should have been banned! If it was Serena Williams she would have been put out real fast!!! Just ridiculous!!!
Rules are rules - should be applied on a consistent basis
Even the Holy Inquisition said the same things about witches
@@stefanosopranzi2489 I BET ON MY LIFE that if it was Djokovic and not Sinner EVERYONE will be the first to sharpen the pitchfork and demand life long ban,to be barred for life,to return all the throphies,to pay 100+ milion in fines and so much more. AND people like yourself would PRAISE THE WADA FOR BEING SO GREAT AT THEIR WORK.
Ban Sinner. Rules for all should be same!
The key word here is "knowingly." Sinner did not know that his trainer treated himself with the healing spray. So he cannot be held responsible. Good luck to the WADA lawyers in proving that he had knowledge.
So let me try to understand this ruling of innocent, from now on, anybody gets tested positive for some banned substance, as long as you can tell a story how it happened, you’re innocent, right?
That seems the case, Sinner told a story, blaming his physio and maybe firing him later, so Sinner became innocent
You must be very high profile and well connected to get let off. Sara Errani got banned, Sharapova got banned.
What matters is this:
- the so called "story" means that there are hearings where a Tribunal collects proofs on what you are saying (read par. 109 of Tribunal Resolution).
- most important the Tribunal verified 1) if you tested positive before and 2) for the samples tested positive asked, to 3 professionals if the prohibited substance was able to improve your performance.
It was excluded that it was a contamination able to enhance the performance or, worse, that it was doping. It's an episodic contamination not able to improve the performance: this conclusion is based on science (not on stories).
The negligence is recognized according to two principles: 1) culpa in eligendo (in latin) and 2) culpa in vigilando (in latin) and this was verified according to the principle of the reasonable effort required not to get in contact with a prohibited substance. Here you always listen "stories", that Tribunal tries to verify.
Personnally, I even didn't heard what you call the "story" in such a case !
Why to spent a lot of money in equipments able to detect 1 billionth of gram that according to science doesn't affect your performance and why test the athletes on and off competion if, at end, you don't use the biological passport - that still science says that is able to detect 99% of doping cases - and you relay on what you call the "story" ? In this case even a process is useless. A reform here is urgently required just to avoid that WADA in some cases want to listen a story and in other cases forgot to listen the story (23 chinese swimmers are competing while Sinner is in trouble fir the "story").
Apart from all the legal chitchat, there’s an basic element of substance determination in body fluids. You CANNOT deduce it’s body concentration from a probe taken in an unespecific time. Substances are gradually metabolized until it dissapearence, and the amount detected is reduced time after time. Then an infinitesimal amount can be the last evidence of a higher amount some days, weeks or months before, You can plan its use, with the aid of a Pharmacologist, checking it disapeareance in a period w.o tournaments, or after a lesion, before returning to competition. I don’t say that this is the case, but obviously tiny amounts means nothing about a relativelly distant use of the substance.
Sinner used steroid cream to make his muscle recuperate more quickly.
I agree with WADA, rules are rules. Sinner is responsible for what goes into his body. There is no such thing as ignorance, and every high performing athlete knows this.
He is using forbidden substance and he should know better. He should get banned
If Yannik was purposely doping, why was only a tiny amount found in his system? These athletes are tested frequently. 😶😶
How can anybody be condemned for having been 'really, really unlucky' (7:07)?
He duped. It’s immaterial how it entered his bloodstream.
His ‘ignorance’ or ‘innocence’ has often been used by sports people over the years.
It’s not an excuse.
It is a billionth of a gram???? I repeat a billionth of a gram??? It has nothing to do with enhansing performance in any form. What are we talking about here, serioulsy. Wada must se this for what it is. And belive me, i cant stand cheaters in any shape or form, "Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win". If you are proven beyond all reason that you have been taken steroids and that the amount is to much then you have cheated and you should be banned for a VERY long time so that is almost a joke. But this with sinner is almost a joke. Stop this at once please. At once!!!!
Sinner is an arrogant guy in general...he has to change now and become humble. This experience will change him hopefully
Which bot farm and camp are you from? Carlos', Novak's?
Rules should be applied consistently for everyone
so if the rules are wrong, let's keep applying them forever and ruin innocent athletes careers
Shut up ! He went trough 3 hearings all of the innocent!
Rules say that he is innocent. So he has to be cleared.
It was applied. But he had more money and he had a competent lawyer
@@ST-ek6lf The most important was having an immediate explanation, this is because a similar case with a low ranked player was also dropped because of this.
Sinner is innocent i think he made his decision not to loose any matches for the next six months.
Come on, this is BS!Sinner has be acquitted to any wrong doing why do you want him to pay for something is not responsible?This is insane!
How can you message a person without gloves if you have a cut on your finger. And yes, he tested positive twice ?
The weakest part of his game was how scrawny and wear he was so it’s a coincidence that he accidentally took steroids ??? The one thing that would have had the greatest impact on his game!!! Ppl are so gullible😂
No sympathy for doping. He knows himself he is a cheat to win. Small or big is still doping.
This is a joke, the difference why he did not receive a ban is because Sinner and Team knew immediately where this was coming from.
Other cases in the past couldn’t prove or explained when and how they got the substance…..which makes the all thing suspicious….definitely not Sinner case!!!
USA no longer wants to pay Wada 3 million euros because it did not block the Chinese swimmers, it would be interesting to know what Wada's annual budget is, I think it's a big business
They allways test twice, dont make it sound like it was "Two TImes".
Nikada sramotu neće skinuti sa sebe,Zato je lažov,
It has to be that regardless of fault or not, and the amount of the banned substance that there are consequences. Someone with a little amount of a substance does not mean they are innocent, similarly, someone with an excessive amount does not mean they are guilty. I don't think it should be about guilty or innocent because honestly that is extremely hard to discern, we just need clear consequences for illegally substances, even if it was not intentional.
😂😂😂😂 we didn’t know he test twice ??? We know from the beginning what are you talking about it ???
Il fisioterapista ha usato lo spray per una settimana (ecco i due test positivi) e poi basta (ed infatti ai successivi test sinner era pulito). Tutto ciò gli é stato comunicato due mesi dopo. É una delle prove che si è trattata di contaminazione involontaria. Non guardare solo al numero di test ma quando sono risultati positivi
@@OsvaldoRichelli ma appunto dopo mesi c’è ancora gente … giornalisti che non hanno capito una mazza o fanno finta
was not expecting this level of detailed analysis, history and unbiased presentation. great journalism. 👏
That defense is unassailable ...how can some one with a cut on his hands massage someone without gloves ? It doesnt make sense let the law take its course , He did it ,he is being protected
Insofar as staff actions are considered player responsibility, then yes, this does constitute negligence. Inadvertent, accidental contamination would be something like eating out at a restaurant, and the food was spiked with something. That is something outside player control.
Everyone must be treated equally. The amount is irrelevant as testing at different time points during the day could be different.
The trace amount should nullify any argument against Sinner. Full stop!
This is all just politics now 😤
It literally breaks my heart. I've never seen a player with such a good ethics and fair play as him.. and now he is caught in this horrendous situation with authorities playing their politics 😢
Sinner has to face his consequence that's all.
Here the point is this:
- Sinner was clean in all test before march (0,000000 infinite 0 of Clostebol and 0,00000 of other prohibited substance) according to the Tribunal that collected all samples. Science matters !
- Sinner was positive in two samples, part of the same process, for a 1 billionth of gram that science stated that no improvement of performance was caused (3 professionals confirmed unanimously, 2 of them appointed by ITIA and credited with WADA laboratories, so the majority even appointed by the prosecution). Science matters !
So why a clear contamination case, unintentional according to the legal process, has been appealed by WADA that asks up to 2 years of ban ? This is a case of "Non Significant Negligence or Fault" according to 10.6 of WADA Code ? No, this is a whitch hunt, where Sinner Fault is only to be n. 1 of Tennis and for this Sinner is used to clean the face of WADA that in this way can show to the world that will always fight doping. Ya, after thst 23 chinese swimmers weren't prosecuted, the n. 1 tennis player case is a good remedy. 😂😂😂😂
Is this why the case has been appealed to CAS and WADA's assessment is that ITIA's decision does not comply with the applicable regulations, which is also a reason why they propose a 1-2 year quarantine? 😂
Pls provide concrete information about the case, which according to you undermine WADA’s investigations 🤭
And what’s your opinion on Giacomo Naldi, his physiotherapist, who, before joining Sinner’s team in 2023, worked with the Italien basketball team Virtus Bologna when, in July 2021, a player tested positive for carboxy THC? 😂
In the case of the 23 Chinese swimmers, WADA itself expressed ““WADA ultimately concluded that it was not in a position to disprove the possibility that contamination was the source of TMZ and it was compatible with the analytical data in the file. WADA also concluded that, given the specific circumstances of the asserted contamination, the athletes would be held to have no fault or negligence. As such, and based on the advice of external counsel, WADA considered that an appeal was not warranted.
WADA Senior Director, Science and Medicine, Prof. Olivier Rabin, said: “The WADA Science Department reviewed this case thoroughly in June and July 2021. Indeed, we even sought new pharmacokinetic and metabolism information on TMZ from the manufacturer and tested several hypotheses, including doping strategies with low TMZ doses, in assessing the plausibility of the contamination scenario that was presented to WADA. Ultimately, we concluded that there was no concrete basis to challenge the asserted contamination. Indeed, the contamination scenario was further supported by the combination of the consistently low concentrations of TMZ as well as no doping pattern with several athletes presenting multiple samples collected over the course of several days which fluctuated between negative and positive (and vice versa). In all transparency, we communicated the conclusions of our scientific review to internal and external investigators, including the International Testing Agency.”” adding that there has been misleading media coverage of the matter.
Btw. Swimmers from China were the most tested athletes leading up to the Olympics in Paris, with an average of 21 anti-doping tests each - nearly four times as many as their American counterparts. The American team had each of its 46 athletes undergo six tests during the same period. Australia had its 41 athletes tested an average of four times each.
Oops, huh? 😂
@@Smalldeine Well, 1 Question, 1 Answer. Why ITIA in a press release of 30 september, while it recognized the right of WADA to appeal, stated that the "process followed WADA Code guidelines" ? Do you understand that there's a confusion on how to apply the nightmare of WADA Code even between different authorities ? Do you read art. 10.5 and 10.6 ? It leaks everywehere: no clear definition of "no negligence/no fault"; no discrimination between "contamination without increase performance vs contamination increasing performance"; period of inhibition that even for a "minor neglicence / minor fault" varies from zero with reprimenda to 2 years. In all this why WADA decided to appeal, the first case in history, for a resolution of "no negligence" of an indipendent tribunal ? Just because WADA cannot admit that its Code is a confusion and so, its better to avoid that Sinner Case will be a case of jurisprudence for future cases ? If so, it's FOR SURE a witch hunt. There's no better definition.
@@Smalldeine 2 Question. 2 Anwers. Naldi. There's a material confusion on what you are writing with a lack of focus. Naldi was recognized gulty for the previous activity ? There's nothing on that: stay focused. Naldi is responsible for Sinner contamination for sure and Sinner was recognized inocent for that so far. On 3rd march Sinner asked Naldi if for his injury Naldi was using something and Naldi answered "no; i don't use anything". Than Naldi started to use a banned product, very common in Italy as it helps to recover quickly from skin injuries without knowing that it was a banned product. Sinner should be responsible with a period of inhelegibility because he didn't make the right question to Naldi in the right moment ? Let's be SERIUOS ! Should Sinner dial to WADA Call center, if it exists, to know the right questions to submit to Naldi in order to be considered inocent ? Let's be SERIOUS ! You are writing to someone that read the 33 pages of the sentence; the 126 pages of Halep and WADA Code. Let's be SERIOUS !
@@Smalldeine 3 Question. 3 Answer. Chinese Swimmers. Here the problem is that we don't know why WADA recognized "no negligence" for all the 23 swimmers (but maybe WADA was right) and for Sinner case WADA appealed. Always the same problem: from a lack of clear rules comes a possibile discretionary use and interpretation of that rules. For sure Sinner was not doping and Sinner case is a "unintentional contamination not enhancing performance" clarified by 3 independent experts/ professionals, 2 of them working for WADA and appointed by ITIA without even knowing that they were examining Sinner. On top of that you don't dope using skin cream to enhance muscle (stated not by me but by the head of "AGENZIA DEL FARMACO"; Mr Garattini, >90 years old, a man with top integrity). And WADA recognized that. So what we are looking for here ? How to define "neglicence" without changing the rules so that Sinner will be guilty for the confusion of WADA Code ?
Sinner needs to get banned..strict liability
Lawyers and journalists have one thing in common: Both have a compulsive need to create stories for the sake of drama. Makes them money potentially. the bigger the person involved, the better. "breaking news" ... " big news ..." "latest story breaking ..." it is for lack of better term pathetic. Utterly pathetic these people.
Garret, nice kicks, name of it? where'd yo buy it? :)
If I was Sinner, I would have quit. Just for myself.
This is a good example of how you report facts but omit some and throw in some opinions to tell your own story. eg they mentioned we didn't know about it in Mar but didn't note that we found out six months later and only after he was cleared... which is an important point as in itself makes the case suspicious.
Then you mix in some opinions, like it was only a small amount... for anyone who understands that people might cheat and try to conceal it, it's relevant because there could have been more but that was left on the test
Hole that Jannik will be cleared of all if these accusations and xomtinue to shine on the court🎉🎉🎉❤❤ He is the best player right now, from my point of view! Love seeing him play!❤❤🎉
That guy works for WADA? You are about to ruin world tennis just for a cut of his physio.
If they change the rules as the lady said… then you will be finding tiny quantities all the time 😂😂😂… how naive you think we are? A physiotherapist with a wound and medication massaging 😂😂😂we are not that dumb !!