Eddie was a mad scientist, inventor and innovator. Randy was a highly skilled music student and teacher.....I have great respect for both. Comparing them is like apples and oranges. Both possessed prodigious talent, but approached the guitar differently
highly skilled and talented, No comparing them is apples to apples, two guitar players Randy more educated and Ed chasing tone. Randy brought more to metal,, Ed changed things for rock.
@@FrankWilson-r3e Yngwie fans should look for their seat at the kids table.... Ritchie and Uli were bringing classical into hard rock and metal, Rainbow did help user that in But Randy was bringing in a style of playing guitar classical guitar playing...and his writing was more advanced
My favorite Randy moment is his solo on Mr. Crowley...Get rid of Ozzy's manic depressive whining vocals and its just about perfect@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle
@@vinasel96 Agree 100%. And any half-way serious guitar player knows they had two TOTALLY different playing styles. Randy was known for incorporating classical music scales and arpeggios into his solos which was a distinct difference from Eddie's signature sound and innovative techniques, such as tapping, whammy bar dives, and harmonics. Two of the greatest guitarists in the biz but worlds apart in style.
Agreed. I'm only now getting back into playing music again and learning more than ever that EVH was the best guitarist (instrumental inovator) ever. He turned it into a completely different instrument. It made different music. But he was a shockingly hateful guy. Unpleasant and absolutely self absorbed. But I still love watching that kid play music with his brother and know that love is genuine. Talent and virtue are present mostly in inverse proportions.
Yeah, Eddie had been finished since Women and Children first. The alcohol stole his creativity. I don’t know where you’d rate him during Van Hagar, mediocre? Wolfgang will destroy his dads limits if he stays sober. Randy wouldn’t have that problem. I wish I’d known he had been drinking for so long. I met him after a show in 78/79? He had that accent that sounded like a fat tongue. No, he was wasted.
says no one who plays guitar and actually listened to Fair Warning and his incredible virtuosity and tone going forward- most pros mention how incredible Ed's playing was on Fair Warning- those that are real players and not typing nonsense@@scottsharp3356
Both great guitarists. Completely different types of players. There’s no such thing as the best. . It’s whose style you prefer. They were both great at what they did. All the people that say Eddie is the best. Instead of saying he’s the best, I will say he was the most innovative player of all time. To me VH has always been an incredible rythym player, more so than a lead player. I always felt that Rhoad’s lead playing was his biggest strength.
two all time great players but think of the incredible confluence of events to get those guys to be where they were with their talents, to grow up in the same area, one born in the hospital the other died at. Incredible time to be alive. There is better of course there is, but at the level of these guys it really comes down to preference. We can tell Randy was a better player than George Lynch...and his peers. Randy also had a brother who played drums and was an incredible rhythm player He did not even learn lead playing until he was 13. Randy was a naturally gifted melody writer and his solos demonstrated that especially his scratch solos on DOAM. But his rhythms are incredibly underappreciated the fills on DOAM the album are amazing given how little time they had to write and rehearse it
I agree completely with that .i believe also that Eddie's rhythm playing was a aspect of his playing thats been under-rated forsure .your right they both were legendary and they both inspired millions of young teens to pick up the guitar for the first time .i think Eddie focused more on his tone and sound from his amps and guitars more so than his songwriting .think Randy had a better knowledge of music theory that go's into creating compositions through phrasing and structures more so than Eddie but im not gonna sit here and claim Eddie Van Halen wasn't the one that set the world a blaze first with the releasing of their debut album cause they did and his playing was at the center of their music .i saw them both play live and think Randy was the better live player but his unbelievable stage presence was a huge take away from his life proformances also
They were both great. The sad thing is Randy was taken from us way too soon. Can you imagine if we had had this rivalry for 40 more years? The music that would have been made…
Randy was determined to leave the rock scene and get into classical music. Randy was a pure musician. Eddie, while being one of the greats, let his ego get in the way destroying a band in their height of fame. Many of interviews over the years uncovered eddies true personality. Not a guy I’d have a beer with and more like the guy I’d crack a beer bottle over his head.
@@jimb7816 evh a joke anywhere on the planet just shows stupidity and jealousy. I think the idiotic metal heads shaking their head up and down knocked their marbles loose
Ace Frehley was doing tapping on Kiss Alive Two and he never claimed Eddie stole the idea from him. Billy Gibbons also did the bend/tap technique but never acted like he "owned" it. Frankly Eddie had a mean streak, saying that stuff so soon after Randy's death was in really poor taste.
@@Drummerjeffkazee Eddie talked trash about Ace, saying something like "How could anyone see that guy as an influence," Ace was always chill. I really wish all these guys would just admit there was a mutual respect, they all did so much tor guitar playing in general . . . made the world a better place.
I think maybe due to the alcohol, drugs and adulation, Eddie became pretty protective of his "brand". Understandable when you look at it all unfolding from his perspective. I mean, within a year or two of VH1 dropping, we all had a strat with humbuckers and were tapping like mad. He was probably feeling ripped off and worried about losing his hard-earned status. I agree that he could have exhibited more class when talking about Randy Rhoads, it seemed he really had trouble giving credit where it was due. By the time Blizzard of Ozz came out I had pretty much lost interest in Van Halen's tunes. Not Eddie's playing, but the band as a whole. Always been way more of a Rhoads head myself 🤘
@@MrZardoz777Ace and all of kiss are at the bottom of the pile of talent-less garage bands. The public for some reason loved Kiss and the System (music payola ) brainwashed through repetition (radio) a lot not all consumers . Bad makeup and hair do not mask the lack of musical talent . This is all just my opinion as record and concert ticket sales are the actual votes and Kiss wins on a consistent basis 😮 i as a struggling musician (guitarist,musician) am on the final chapter of a book i never intended to write . After 50 plus years of playing guitar i have to admit i am not a rock star i am not a overnight sensation . I am however a decent self taught self employed guitarist. I am a true legend in my own mind in my own time.🎉❤😮😊🎉😊.
I love both Randy and EVH. They’re not the same and they had their own style of playing. They changed the way we approach Rock Music. My hats off to them!
Not really. There's two players who did most of these changes to the approach, namely, Ronnie Montrose and Tom Scholz. Without them there wouldn't have been an Eddie or Randy.
@@apollomemories7399 There would be no Van Halen without Montrose and Scholz?😜😜🤣🤣Those guys could play but that don't mean there would be no Eddie or Randy. Eddy's demo(Songs from 1st album} was floating around probably a little before Boston's first album came out. Eddie did like Montrose and Clapton, but he does not remotely sound like them.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle You reckon EVH came up with all that all by himself with zero reference to all the innovators who came before him? How did you arrive at such a conclusion?
@@attilathehun0 For some reason my first reply zapped into thin air. Scholz had a demo tape in `75, ''Mother's Milk'. Clapton hasn't anything to do with this. EVH copied bits and pieces from a whole load of other guys and was a frankenstein.
I haven’t met either one of them but I just get the feeling that Randy was a very nice guy while Eddie was kind of an arrogant snob. Like I wrote in another comment I saw both play live and I was more impressed with Randy’s technical virtuosity. Randy could play things with only his left hand on the fretboard that Eddie probably wouldn’t even attempt without using his right as well.
I know that Randy was much more interested in classical/ flamenco guitar than most people realize. I do not hear similarities in their playing. Randy wrote guitar parts that enhanced Ozzy’s voice and had a darker sound to fit their image.
@@MrChopsticktechi think both would be very hard to work with. Just how they both act today. I think David was difficult after wctf. And ozzy was difficult the minute Randy sign on .
Agreed, and that (classical influenced hard rock/ metal) was the product of Randy playing with Ozzy. Randy had the musical knowledge to fit into any situation, so doing his homework about Ozzy (Sabbath up to that point) he realized minor key power chord riffs with a flatted 5th preference was prevalent, so that just REALLY allowed him to exploit alot of his classical guitar technique's and tonality (Minor, diminished, harmonic minor, etc). If Randy had teamed up with say Stewart Copeland and Sting, he would have been just as good and effective imo, albeit more jazzy.
Hold up, Randy is on youtube playing the blues, he grew up playing the blues, Jazz and classical But towards the end he was really into classical guitar and that came through on Diary of a Masterpiece
Eddie was heavily influenced by flamenco guitarists actually and fast blues playing. It was the flamenco players that first started tapping (on flamenco guitars!) although they didn't call it that and it wasn't done often because of the low volume! They just considered it legato playing! They were also known for their fast tremolo picking (with fingers) and melodic shredding! You can hear the flamenco influence on Eruption, Spanish fly and Little Guitars and some of his solos in his earlier works!
When I heard Randy for the first time, I was hooked. It's really just preference. It really helped that he was a sweetheart! But he was born to play that axe like he invented it.
Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhodes, Dave Murray, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, Tony Iommi, Joe Perry, Glenn Tipton and K.K. Downing 💥🎸💥🎸💥 Now that's my TOP 10 🎶
Literally my two favorite guitarists. I miss them both. I've already read or heard everything discussed here except the section that mentioned Eddie buying an Ozzy record! That was a lttle too much to believe! Ha Ha. Nice video!
Randy was a teacher, Eddie was an innovator. Randy's playing was more theory based while Eddie's was more patterns and technique. While Van Halen was getting popular, Randy was teaching and had students ask him to show them Van Halen licks. So he had to learn them
Randy was an innovator, too. Saying it was all theory is a ridiculous take. Mr Crowley was assuredly very classically influenced but you take many other songs of his and you would be hard pressed to say it's all about theory. Geez guy, your ignorance is showing.
@@christebo7305 people should watch The original charvel gang doc...it pains a pic of how Randy changed the fortunes of Grover Jackson with a cocktail napkin and 12 hours of his time nearly 43 years ago
@@christebo7305 Point to the part where I said Randy was all theory? Calling Eddie an innovator doesn't mean that Randy wasn't a trailblazer himself. You either read too much into my comment or too little. But your ignorance is definitely on full display. Geez man, if you're going to play "I know more about Randy than you do", you may want to play it with someone who hasn't idolized both guitarist for forty years.
Knowing what I do about both of these guys, I would say that Randy was a super humble, quiet individual and Eddie was definitely more outspoken with an incredible Ego! I’ve heard others say that if you can’t get along with Randy Rhoads then you don’t like Anyone! Eddie along with his brother Alex forced Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar out of the band which tells me a lot! Both Sammy and Michael are known for being easy going, Great Guys unlike Eddie and Alex! I think Eddie’s drug and drinking problems changed his personality and led him to the “Dark Side”! Very Sad!
Sammy is a chode. A complete narcissist. It's always about Sammy, always will be about him. According to Sammy there were countless stories about so many musicians being a jerk, hard to work with etc. No, it's the conceited Sammy Hagar that is the common denominator every time there is conflict. Sammy still talks sh*t about Eddie, Alex and Dave today.
Personally, I'd have forced Sammy Hagar out of the Sammy Hagar Band just because he was Sammy Hagar. What a prized jerk that tool was. He was in love with himself and his hairdresser. Just effin' ghastly.
I don't blame Eddie for kicking Sammy out of the band --- just listen to songs like "Can't Stop Loving You" and "Big Fat Money" and it's painfully obvious that Sambo is an awful vocalist and lyricist --- Van Halen lost all their mojo with Sammy and he shoulda been booted out after the OU812 album
@@fredwerza3478 Indeed. But, surely their lowest ebb was that Cherone guy? What were they thinking? As Frank Zappa so coyly named it,..."Cocaine decisions".
@@fredwerza3478 you make a fair point, like Sammy as a person, but i agree that after ou812 there were not really any great/hit/catchy songs from 'Van Hagar' . Roth era had many classics. Hagar had 3 .
I never got to see Randy live, but I never really thought they sounded that much alike back in the day. At least not based on the albums. I loved both of them, but I guess I was more into Eddie. His tone and style were incredibly appealing to me. That said, some of Randy's leads seemed even harder to play than Eddie's stuff. They were both great players.
When Eddie said "Everything", I think he was talking about his techniques that Randy was using. Not every aspect of playing guitar. Just the "Flash" stuff. You left out the story of Eddie and DLR harassing Randy and Randy's GF in a parking lot one night.
Over the Mountain was recorded befrore Fair Warning. Diary depending on which drunken Sharon memory was recorded 6 week to 6 months after Blizzard. After the Euro tour. So Eds weird Vibrato was not copied or mimicked. I told Mrs Rhoads that there are ... people who make noize and play On guitar.... Guitar players, Guitarists... Musicians who play multiple instruments and have a good grasp on Music theory. And then their are Composers, Randy, Like Page.. etc Diary was one of R R compositions. Ed, really ! simple songs. Ed is like VP who said he invented the Internet Al Gore. There is a Video that is dated may 77 Zappa on Mike Douglas fully developed 2 handed Tapping, so Frank must ripped Edmond Von Holy off as well.
never has a guy been so highly regarded or as influential with that limited body of work, him making the top 25 of all time great players for a back mag like Rolling Stone is impressive.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Hold on there, not so fast. That Rolling Stone isn't worth toilet paper. Any major dude will tell you Tommy Bolin tanked him in that respect.
I think you have to look at this in context at that point in time. I don’t think they actually disliked each other, but they were definitely locked in a competitive headspace with each other. This was early on when the whole guitar hero thing was still pretty new. One thing I will say, I do believe that had Randy lived, he would’ve surpassed Eddie Van Halen, maybe not in popularity, but he would’ve surpassed him in terms of guitar playing. Even with the whole mid to late 80s neo classical shred guitar thing with Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Michael Angelo Batio and the rest of them, Eddie’s playing had peaked and plateaued with eruption, granted he was His own thing with Van Halen, and an amazing songwriter, but there’s no way he would’ve competed with that next generation of shredders. Had Randy lived and was a part of that, Randy would’ve definitely had his moment in the spotlight, where I’m sure even Ed would’ve been impressed.
I agree they did not dislike each other. A lot of people think he was going to surpass Ed, but we will never know, sadly. The growth between BOO and DOAM is insane
The Jon Stix, later Nov. 82 GP issue, Randy Complemented everyone, whereas Ed slammed everyone ... Randy said EVH was Fantastic and the he did not want to get near competing with people like that. Randy also said the it will take a few years to come up with Something that no one has done before. Humilty and Graciousness. Ed was an insecure little dick. In a june of1983 Hit Parader EVH was asked how he wanted to be remembered, and he said I sure hope I dont have to die to be remembered. Well until he died, except for super Fan Boys like You and Rick Beetoff, no on did care. WB had dropped them and they were not selling any records. Had not toured since what 2015!!! Again every ED interview in GP GW etc magazine. New Vito Bratta read on Full Bloom has insight. Just a few things.. Diary, Steal away, Revelation, Dee, SATO etc....!!! Where is Ed in there?
Wolf Marshall did the forward in the original Tab books for BOO, DM. and Tribute. A few articles in Guitar rags. He went thru all songs and dissected all of the theory and modes etc. The stuff is way more complex and advanced, but did not sound flashy. Ed on the other hand would show that, to him, he cheated, his stuff was easier than it sounded. Ed was pissed when Tom Scholtz and Rick Derringer were doing Eruption at concerts. He said, hey I am not saying it its so crazy that people cant figure it out. Randy pretty much disowned Over the Mountain solo, in concerts it was like a train wreck like the Sabbath stuff. He said in one of the re cored lessons in PA maybe. That he didnt do a BOO lick... From Crazy Train I think. He was done with the Flash but trashy playing. SATO and other songs he used the Wang more like David Gilmour.. expressive, emotional and vocal.
I remember Ed saying something about everyone using Modes... He said there are 12 notes, what you do with them is up to you. Thats my way also... maybe Georges too. I saw a Tab on a guitar neck that showed Alan Holdworth type playing, and it was like the whole being played. Very few non touched notes.
I heard it that EVH was # 1 in LA, then Randy, then George. But those 3 were tops. Another comment: EVH circa 79-80 was the best live guitarist i ever saw. But I would have liked VH even more if they played the darker stuff Randy played with Ozzy.
I can remember an interview with Randy where he said he learned a lot of Eddie's links from students asking to learn EVH. The thing is, he used stuff EVH did; but he also was very unique. He had that classical influence that many didn't have.
he never said that, he said he used licks people associate with Ed during his spotlight solo because he felt the kids in the audience wanted flash. Randy was his own guy.
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle He definitely was his own guy. He took the techniques he learned from helping his students learn the EVH material and incorporated it into his playing; but his style was very distinct. I personally found even his solo spot in Suicide Solution was still uniquely him even if he did incorporate some EVH style passages. EVH's style is more bluesy while Randy came from a more classically influenced direction.
And that story about Randy wslking in on Eddie in the record store in the mall holding a stack if records was told in a Hit Parader and Guitar Player magazines before Rany died cause i read them so it wasn't something made up after his death. And if im not mistaken Michael Anthony did confirm Eddie did in fact go out and buy the Diary Record for one reason .and that reason was Eddie was driving down the road one day and turned on the radio at the same exact time "Flying High Again" was playing and it was right as the solo started not hearing Ozzys voice at first and thought who is this not knowing until Ozzy voice came in after the solo but Eddie told Michael that he thought that solo was very close to part of Eruption which it very well is just in a different key and the tapping was done with a pick as everyone knos .but Eddie went straight out and bought the record cause in his mind Randy had ripped off his solo and wanted to listen to the whole record to see if Randy had ripped off anymore of his solos .now that is what Michael Anthony said was the reason Eddie went out and bought the Record. Which sounds like something that could have very well happened .plus Randy wasn't the one that told that story it was whoever was with him either Jody or Kevin possibly even Rudy .
He Eddie wanted to listen to the whole album to see if Thee Randy Rhodes had ripped off anything else from him did he buy the other ozzy record and scan it for any suspicious guitar solos ?
@@jamie-iy5tl some people prefer Eddie over Randy and others prefer Randy over Eddie .it's just whatever you think think .forget about the records.but I saw both live Eddie 3 times Randy 1 time and IMO Randy was the much better live player .and it's kinda wild that everyone that saw both seems to feel the same way .seriously I've yet to hear even one person that saw both say Eddie was the better "Live" performer .not that someone that had might have it's just I've yet to here someone say it publicly
This channel's Terry Kilgore video shows randy resnick ripped off bt harvey mandel, who got ripped off by Chris Holmes and Terry Kilgore.. who the were all reipped off bt Ed. @@jamie-iy5tl
I was raised musically by this genre and these two dudes were the biggest talks abouts in L.A. As far as I'm concerned, they're both guitar genius'. I can't say who's better than the other. I love both of them. Randy and Eddie for ever. 🤘😌👍
I saw both EVH & RR in concert, to me they are equal. They gave this world & us everything they had. They were gifted, talented & special❤️ They made an impact on the music world ❤️
I missed the whole Eddie train growing up. Hendrix was played in my house constantly by my older brother , Sabbath / Iommi as well … so it was simply a natural progression for me to gravitate towards Randy Rhoads playing as a kid. Obviously this was before RUclips and iTunes / Spotify so the only music I really listened to were albums that I had purchased … and I was much more into the “Heavier” stuff. It wasn’t until decades later when I joined a local cover band and they started throwing in Van Halen into the sets that I realized what a phenomenal player he was, especially his rhythm guitar parts. Happy I eventually was able to catch that Eddie Train.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle i don'think it would have made him better if that's your point, think about it, people have it now and all they are is technical players, for one thing people would have copied him, he would have had access to tons of lessons, sometimes limitations are good, perhaps you meant he would be bigger though? i could agree on that..
You actually didn't miss anything. Hendrix had more ideas than these two combined ever had. Just one single example of that would the track (the relatively unknown) Peace In Mississippi instrumental, recorded on 24th Oct 1968 and as found on the 2015 reissue of The Jimi Hendrix Experience 'purple' 4CD box set. Enjoy!
@@apollomemories7399 Hendrix did not ...he is a B leaguer who simply came earlier on in history. As a guy once told me: if your first exposure to guitar heroes were Randy and Ed, it is much tougher to appreciate a guy like Jimi, who just did not have that talent.
The comments on these videos are always fun to read. I suppose it's natural, particularly in the US to compare the two of them, but I don't really think it means much. For what it's worth, I think Randy was more like Michael Schenker than anyone else, but because Schenker was never really a big name in America, Randy got credit for a style of playing that had been around for a while in Europe. From a European perspective, Blackmore, Schenker and maybe Gary Moore were probably more significant than Eddie Van Halen or Randy Roads.
They were both fantastic, we should all be happy they were here and gave us the music they did. I’m happy if either are on the stereo, and when they do pop on I CRANK THE VOLUME ALL THE WAY UP AND SMILE!!! RIP EDDIE AND RANDY
Ace and all of kiss are at the bottom of the pile of talent-less garage bands. The public for some reason loved Kiss and the System (music payola ) brainwashed through repetition (radio) a lot not all consumers . Bad makeup and hair do not mask the lack of musical talent . This is all just my opinion as record and concert ticket sales are the actual votes and Kiss wins on a consistent basis 😮 i as a struggling musician (guitarist,musician) am on the final chapter of a book i never intended to write . After 50 plus years of playing guitar i have to admit i am not a rock star i am not a overnight sensation . I am however a decent self taught self employed guitarist. I am a true legend in my own mind in my own time.🎉❤😮😊🎉😊.
I think Randy and evh are great players but very diferent. I prefer Randy , all his solos are amazing and everythings has more sense, better person toi
Don't feel bad about the Ozzy gig Bro. I just watched a video where Sharon talks about the couple hundred audition tapes/photos and said Ozzy was completely overwhelmed....he reached into a pile and pulled out Zakk. That was the end of it right there, according to her. The rest is history, obviously.
Interesting, thanks for posting that but I believe to this day he got the right guitarists. Zakk was a Black Sabbath fan and I was not. Sabbath is a good band and I saw them with Ozzy in the late 70's.
It only sounds delusional to YOU because YOU don't want to believe the truth.... I was out there in LA just before and when VanHalen broke thru.... I saw both bands ,Quiet Riot AND VanHalen when they were both playin the Strip and LA scene... I NEVER saw Eddie at ANY of the Riot's shows, but at least on 3 occasions I saw Randy in the crowd at VH gigs... and I also witnessed how many, many times he would turn his back to the crowd at crucial points in his playing to guard his tricks and techniques from being copied prior to them breaking out.... and it WORKED for him..... and put it THIS way... If Randy Rhoads could do on his own everything Eddie VanHalen was doing..... RANDY WOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN DOING IT... BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT YET.... THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW YET... EDDIE WAS OUT IN FRONT ALONE FOR AWHILE...... HE WAS THE ORIGINAL AND HE WAS COPIED ALL OVER THE WORLD...... Soon after VH broke thru, you heard his style in EVERYbody in Rock and Metal's music... THAT is irrefutable TOO.... Sorry folks, but if Randy was here, he would TELL you what I just told you... Randy was a very humble dude and would rather listen than be the talker... They were absolutely the two baddest ass guitarists out there at the time... and there was some killer competition out there in those years... I was out there from the end of Jan. 1977 to Nov. of 1979 after I got out of the Marines... Riot loved the Starwood and VanHalen liked the Whiskey lol... in more than one way...
Listened to Van Halen first,just thrashed the shit out of their albums until one day my mate had a cassette tape of the Ozzy Tribute album and put it on in his van. My mind was blown when I heard Randy's playing. For me Randy was a way better guitar player,he was amazing. Gone to soon
EVH is rock, Randy was metal. Eddy was the blues / rock n roll on steroids, Randy was that for classic music. If you ask metal guitar players today more often you’re going to get Randy inspired, rock guys is Eddy.
I just love both. Great story Kar. Seems to be recently, that there has to be some sort of personal beef created between these guys, which was never really mentioned back in the 80's (yes, 40 years ago). And neither are around to confirm or deny it. Though it can be reasonably certain the meow reaction by Eddie in the interview after Randy's death (Jas Obrecht in GP?) is a fair indication Eddie at least kept abreast of what Randy was doing. If that means he felt threatened by Randy, well that's for others to judge...... my own thoughts on the matter think RR worried Ed with his potential. Those that can't hear the difference between Randy's and Ed's playing might be listening with their eyes, not their ears. Other than a bit of tapping and the live solo with Ozzy, it's Randy's darker compositional approach vs Ed's flashy off-the-cuff hyper-Clapton and Page. Eddie's was already the finished product when Ted Templeman found him - his playing had peaked at VH1 (short of a renaissance for Carnal Knowledge and Balance where he really started to play again), and we only got two developmental albums from Randy (listen to the progress from the early QR stuff to DOAM and BOO) where Ozzy and Sharon probably had the shackles on. So can't see how we'll ever make a fair comparison (if we should at all). Another thing. Did Floyd Rose have a locking nut available of even the FR trem back in the late 70's? Don't think so. Eddie couldn't keep the standard Fender trem in tune either, and did he use the FR before Women and Children First?
Many thanks! I read somewhere that Eddie learned how to keep his guitar in tune without a locking nut for his tremolo from Jeff Beck. Jeff Beck had showed him.
think about it at the same ages, Ed was writing shorter flashier poppier songs 3 minutes in length. Randy was more prog and writing longer songs with solos that fit within the song no matter where they went, think of Revelation, great solo at the end of the song. As George Lynch implied Randy simply had a greater level of knowledge than others, he said Randy's reservoir of knowledge was incredibly deep
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Spot on. They were on different trajectories. Eddie became a rock star; Randy was still a musician. Doesn't get mentioned much but Randy stepped out of his comfort zone from QR to revive Ozzy (Ozzy was not getting DOAM and BOO without Randy and Bob Daisley), grew musically, excelled and was set to continue to do so (was he quitting the Osborne deal after the BOO tour to study Classical at UCLA?). Whereas Eddie never had to stretch until Roth left the band, and he had to work with Sam. The gaping difference sonically between Van Roth and Van Hagar screams how much Eddie relied on the singer in the band. Dave and Sam never get their dues regarding how important they were to VH. When Ed tried to make it his own show with Cherone, it all fell apart. George is underrated reckon. Kept getting better, wrote great songs and still kills it now at about 70. Instantly recognizable sound.
I'm pretty sure a few tricks EVH used to stay in tune (tried to at least) with the old Fender bridge prior to the FR tremolo. One was a "brass nut" then applied a "dry graphite lube" on the nut. And the trick with the bridge was adding an additional "springs" or different springs altogether that had a heavier or lighter tensions to them. Now, IDK if the knowledge & tricks to this setup came from Jeff Beck, Fender, another guitarist or not, maybe it did. I could see Beck showing Eddie a few of his own tricks. Or if Eddie figured it out on his own just knowing Eddie was always tinkering around with his gear trying to invent something new to create a better sound & evolve the world of guitar. 🤔. +Peace Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+ 🤘😜🤘
Eddie was the Mechanic that invented .. Randy was the dork heading off to Berkley School of Music... Big Difference... Randy didn't even drive his own car... 😂😂😂
The first two Ozzy albums are the best rock albums of the 80s. Hands down. There are things Randy did that blew my mind and still do. Of course, the same is true for Eddie, but Randy moved me more.
Shawn, would you upload some videos of your own playing (like the audition tape for Ozzy)? It seems you were steeped in the LA scene in the 80s, and it would be cool for us to hear some of it, especially the ones who have been following the channel for a while.
Hi, I'm Kar. Thank you guys for checking out, I appreciate! Check out Shawn's youtube channel - www.youtube.com/@ShawnStaplesFreeGuitarLessons . He uploads his guitar lesson videos and music videos from his albums to his channel. Awesome stuff, check it out 🎸
@karsguitarchannel6088 sorry, I though Kar was maybe the name of your first band or something along thise lines. My bad, but my comment stands, only I'm asking you for your - Kar's - music and personal experiences in that scene. I'm sure you have loads of both that you could share. [I thought you were Shawn because I probably wasnt paying close enough attention - but when you spoke about your playing and showed pics of Shawn twice it's a bit of an understandable mistake]. Love the channel mate.
I do have videos of me playing the Sunset strip clubs and will post some of that someday but right now I am releasing my 3 solo albums on my RUclips channel. ruclips.net/video/tihRsyI7a6w/видео.html
I was 12 when Van Halens first record came out in 1978 and it was so unique and different than anyone had ever heard i was instantly hooked and their biggest fan .Van Halens 2nd Record came out a year later and was my favorite record of theirs .well from 1978 - 1981 nothing had ever came out that sounds anything like Eddie's playing until Blizzard Of Ozz came out .Randy's playing was instantly compared to Eddie's being the first and only thing that sounded simular to EVH .i remember the first time i heard Randy was when i first heard "i Don't Know" on the radio in 81 when i was 15 and the very first thing that came to mind was wow this player is phenomenal and sounds like Eddie .not so much like Eddie's but the tone and technically precise in hid solos was similar .
"WHAT" happened...??? It just so "happened" that EVH had such an EGO problem that he was SUCH a pryck towards RHOADS (heckling him and name calling during Randy's Q.R. days on the club circuit etc.)...NTM- THAT STUPIDAZZ remark claiming "Ohh yeah, LEAST he was HONEST. He said RIGHT TO ME, 1st thing- EVERYTHING I EVER learned? I learned FROM YOU!" also replying to the interviewer "Well... WHADDA YOU THINK?" ALL arrogant and the like......Kay, "KING Edward" 😒 ..... Sorry NOT sorry, JUST the facts....... Again? Eddie made GREAT Rock/Hard Rock guitar music...RANDY RHOADS made GREAT METAL music. Period
Nice. Jas Obrect the interviewer placated Ed because he knew Ed was going to featured in GP for years. Plus I dont think he heard more than a few songs. Around 83 Jas said Hendrix was the most advanced during his era, Then Eddie, and now RR is the most advanced.... obviously B4 Malmerstein
KAR shawn who ever says Ed changed his a little bit into the remaining conversation: that was PR due to Ed saying back in 78 that everyone knew him as an ego-ed out prick.
Eddie had a great tone. He worked hard at crafting his tone. Randy was so technically proficient. Just as innovative in his own classical type way. But Randy had an absolute AWFUL tone. Too much distortion, just saturated. And not really much else. His clean tone was okay. But nothing like EVH’s.
It is hard to believe that George Lynch is the only one left. George has such a unique sound and style too. It is always enjoyable to watch him play. The bridge/solo section on the song "Tooth and Nail" by Dokken remains one of my favorites. All three guitarists are icons.
George is part of the holy trinity but he is a notch below.....great player, just not Randy nor Ed The tone on Tooth and Nail sounded like it was recorded in a garage
Don't forget Warren TORCH Demartini, he was one of the best of that era. Warren and George were both assassins on guitar. Warren is my favorite guitarist of all time next to EDDIE. Peace...........
I believe that it is more than just solos that define a guitarist. Over composition of something matters more. I love both, but Randy did Diary Of A Madman, which is just a work of guitar art. I think Eddie may have also had issue with the fact that Randy was working with, arguably, the best frontman aside from Freddie Mercury. Aka Ozzy Osbourne. There is no way David Lee Roth could compete with Ozzy. I don’t know if I fully agree that Ozzy was the best, but I know a lot of people love Ozzy like that. Maybe Eddie had some jealousy
Let us not forget, Van Halen opened for Black Sabbath, Van Halen stole the show every night. Ozzy leaves Black Sabbath, ozzy goes and finds the next Best thing to Eddie and Rest is History.
Let's not forget the competition was fierce and evh certainly was the front runner but Randy was definitely the more competent and well rounded player, especially with his knowledge and classical background.....Great video Karl
Both were awesome guitarists but if I would've had a chance to meet one of them I would choose Randy cause Randy seemed down to Earth and i have heard too many stories about how the Van Halen brothers could be straight up asshole's sometimes so i guess in some instances you are better off not meeting your hero's, I respect both legends and how they pushed the boundaries of what the guitar meant and could do
"We plsyed every Black Sabbath song"- Eddie Van Halen, Formerly known as Rat Salad wich is a track on Peranoid album, Black Sabbath 1971. Randy said he didn't like Sabbath yet he join Ozzy to make Blacl Sabbath style music. 🎸
What a ridiculous statement to make. In the world?! What world do you live in? Is it the size of your bedroom? You really need to get out more and educate yourself.
Sounds like a late 70's Southern California SOAP OPERA. That said, in 1978, I was at a teenage kegger party out in the woods and someone put some music on a cassette boom box. Nobody had ever heard of this new band, Van Halen. After Eruption had played, the 75 kids that were there had been STUPIFIED INTO SILENCE. Nobody had EVER heard ANYTHING like THAT, EVER. It completely changed everything. Everyone I knew, was desperate to buy an electric guitar and LEARN skills that would duplicate Eddie's tone. HAH!!! Fat chance. I went out and bought VH 's 1st album, then stopped by a pawn shop to see about buying a Les Paul copy. We have huge dreams when we are 15
Other than the fact that they both used a lot of tapping, I never considered Randy’s playing any sort of copy of EVH. I feel their styles are different. Ed was fantastic but Randy was the one who truly blew me away. I still listen to those first 2 Ozzy albums and can’t get enough RR. EVH saying that RR learned everything he knew from VH is a lot of arrogant horse shit.
Randy did not use a lot of tapping, he used it sparingly same with the whammy. George just did an interview where he said this on Randy: In Ozzy, Randy blossomed, those two records were just F me..that was a whole other dimension.still to this day could just take a deep dive and try to learn from, his compositional skills and his classical influences that went into his writing...his choice of notes were so articulate and on point. He created something new that was important."
Obviously I didn't know either one of them and I only know what I've been told or what I've read. But Eddie does kind of seem like a big dick. I never liked the tapping s*** I hated it I still hate it I would rather have a good 70s guitar player over Eddie give me Billy Gibbons everyday
Unfortunately Randy Rhoads died too young, most of his work are the 2 Ozzy first albums. Eddie came first and also more prolific. Both were ahead of their time and great.
The Jon Stix, later Nov. 82 GP issue, Randy Complemented everyone, whereas Ed slammed everyone ... Randy said EVH was Fantastic and the he did not want to get near competing with people like that. Randy also said the it will take a few years to come up with Something that no one has done before. Humilty and Graciousness. Ed was an insecure little dick. In a june of1983 Hit Parader EVH was asked how he wanted to be remembered, and he said I sure hope I dont have to die to be remembered. Well until he died, except for super Fan Boys like You and Rick Beetoff, no on did care. WB had dropped them and they were not selling any records. Had not toured since what 2015!!! Again every ED interview in GP GW etc magazine. New Vito Bratta read on Full Bloom has insight. Just a few things.. Diary, Steal away, Revelation, Dee, SATO etc....!!! Where is Ed in there?
Have you read the book John wrote about Randy, it includes the interview and then quotes from his peers and bandmates Ozzy lying about him helping write BOO before bob joined. George saying Crazy Train influened Mr Scary. Ed was more insecure and less humble. Randy was more complimentary. Vito Bratta actually explains a lot of why people may have taken Randy for granted back then, because they assumed he was doing what so many other guys did with recording multiple takes and then piecing together solos like Ed did Fact is Randy recorded his solos in one take after working them through. Also said people assumed Randy used a chorus pedal to get that multi tracking sound, when in fact, Randy told Max Norman he wanted to double and triple the rhythm and solos in certain spots. Max says he had never seen anyone be able to do it in successive takes
Apples to Oranges.. different flavors. Loved all 3 of those guys. Wept for days when Randy and Eddie passed. George is as different as Randy is to Eddie. That’s the problem today. No one sounds original. All those guys in the ‘80’s WERE original and had a SIGNATURE sound. Not the case nowadays.
You’re right, all the guitar nerds are more concerned with sweep arpeggios/technique over style & most have learned from RUclips, so they all sound the same. Plus, they all have the same processed/digital tone, which is awful!
Don't forget WARREN TORCH DEMARTINI, He had his own aggressive, crunchy, scratchy sound. Warren is a guitar god absolute LEGEND....... Lynch and Demartini were asassins on guitar. Where does the time go😮😮😮. Peace..........
Such an awesum comment! Eddie Van Halen & Randy Rhoadz, were both true originalz, with their own seperate stylez. Playerz afterward, started imitating & getting really technical, @ da xpense of emotional nvolvement/feeling, n da playing. LOVED Van Halen. Came 2 Randy, later, BUTT wuz curious about him. I prefer his blending of Classical n2 Hard Rock, 2 Yngwiez. LOVE Yngwie.... Itz just Randy wuz VERY tasteful & didn't overdo it. Wish he had mo time 2 dvelop. He wuz probably da kick n da azz, Eddie Van Halen needed, 2 keep progressing. Eddie had Allan Holdsworth, azz nspiration, after Randy passed, BUTT Holdsworth, wuz n an ntirely different genre 2 EVH & so Eddiez feet, were not held 2 da flame, so 2 speak. I wish I could make a practical bet, dat Eddie woulda progressed azz a Guitar player, way mo than he did, if Randy had of stayed around. Still - ERUPTION...... WHUT A BLAST!
@@tommcdonough6086 They played more Ratt videos on MTV than Dokken. Saw both groups live, Dokken opened for Loverboy, and Lynch did not disappoint. But they seemed lifeless at times during that concert. Burnout? Fatigued? Fighting? Perhaps all three things. Ratt was their Reach For The Sky. The concert was too damn quick. Can't remember if they opened for someone. The only question I have is the fact that the police never had any roadblocks to check if someone was unfit to drive. They always had those cones set up after a Van Halen concert, but not Ratt, or Dokken. I guess it depended on what city it was. I saw all three in different cities. My favorite Demartini album was Invasion Of Your Privacy. Ratt played I think none of those songs at the concert. Mostly first album, and Reach For The Sky. lol! The time did go, about as fast as that Ratt concert!
It's odd Randy, with his California background, could meld classical ideas with Osbourne's blue collar, industrial, gloomy metal from England... but he did meld them, in a way similar to Blackmore. Those two really should get more comparison.
The quote I read on Eddie Van Halen's thoughts of Randy Rhodes when he died. Was that he is still playing guitar. But now he's playing with John Bonham.
Eddie was an alcoholic, the problems that he turned to alcohol for are also the ones that gave him those negative personality traits. It's common among drug addicts.
I saw the Ozzy show in Los Angeles in 81 New Years eve. Randy's solo was just bad ass. He even copied EVH. He made it look so easy. Rhodes will always be number #1
We are talking stories between 2 kids playing bars in the late 70's at around the age of 21/22. Stories that have been retold and remembered decades later. I am sure there has been some artistic 'additions and omissions' in these stories over the years as well and lets not forget alcohol and other influences. Great video, great stories, in the end, we as musicians should be thankful we have had these two wonderful musicians to learn from.
two all time great heroes, but the title is absolutely misleading, they did not NOT get along, they just never hung out and we creating differnet career paths to get to the top. Ed was a rock a star who indulged in excess, randy was a reluctant rock star who decided to focus on getting better
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Not entirely correct....yes Ed had substance abuse issues. But you talk to ANYONE who knew him and from the man himself. He never loved the "rock star" thing and was probably as reluctant to wear that tag as Randy. Both guys were 100% true musicians 1st above & beyond the rest of that rock star crap.
It's sad to hear that these guys behaved like 13 year old girls with such bewilderingly fragile, yet enormous egos. Here's the difference: Eddie was self-taught and so had an unconventional approach to the guitar. He was very unique. Randy was classically trained and was seemingly the first to fuse classical into heavy metal/rock to the degree he did. I would say that when it comes to _riffs,_ EVH was absolutely above Randy. (Although when you hear songs like Revelation Mother Earth, you can see that Randy was continuously improving his prodigious skills.) EVH's riffs get lost in the mix because everyone only sees the flash of the leads, but his riffs were fkn unbelievably creative and complex. When it came to _leads,_ Randy could (imo) match Eddie, and sometimes surpass him. Randy was a tactician, while EVH was more of a magician. All that said, we don't see EVH copying Randy, but we do see the opposite. A lot of that had to do with the fact that EVH was already established, while Randy was coming onto the scene a bit later. We all know that imitation is the highest form of flattery, so there's no doubt that Randy had a high regard for EVH's playing. I would also say that the opposite is likely true because why else would EVH get concerned/perturbed about Randy's comments and his (I would say) blatant and admitted mimicry unless he saw Randy as a great player and consequently, a threat; a peer of about equal merit? I think they both had a begrudgingly high regard for each other; both were unique and innovative; both had a fantastic command of the fretboard. *_Unfortunately, Randy was snuffed out early, so we never got to see him achieve his full potential; I can't blame anyone who says that in time Randy could have surpassed EVH, especially since EVH was drugged out of his mind while Randy was a sober workaholic._* For me, that's the crux of the matter. The former, we were lucky enough to see the product of his entire life's work but with the latter, we only got a snippet of a guy who was on the way up, had not peaked yet, and was determined to put out a higher quality brand of unique guitar playing. It sure would have been nice to have seen a collaborative effort. That would have been legendary! 🎸⚡ 🎸
I believe Randy became the better guitarist when he joined Ozzy & Bob Daisley encouraged Randy to play more classical modes. Eddie had one mode. I remember the first time I heard the middle break in "Panama" & I thought Wow! Eddie knows some blues. It was a different emotion than his usual party all the time mode. I would rather listen to Mr Crowley over anything Eddie played or even the outro for Tonight. Randy played with a more emotional range. To show my age I had Fair Warning & Diver Down in 8 Track.
Something I found interesting. As great as Eddie was, I read somewhere online not long ago that he tried a few times to get lessons from Glenn Campbell, because he was a big fan of his playing. So it had me thinking, no matter how good you are, there will always be someone else who is better at a particular style than you are. The guitar is an instrument, we truly will never master.
Glenn Campbell could play virtually anything in a variety of styles (of course, nor necessarily heavy metal) and simply wasn't show-offy about it. He'd been a very successful session guy in the 60's. Rhinestones optional.
Excellent point. Steve Lukather also mentioned that Campbell was a huge influence on his playing, and was “mesmerized” by his playing, and tried to learn from him as much as he could.
Eddie liked his ego fueling cocaine and was a nonsensical drunk at times. Randy just scratched the surface of what might have been. I would blindly take what might've been with Rhoades over all of Eddie's credits, respectfully. "If", RIP Mr. Rhoads
Eddie Van Halen was supposed to be sweet guy, I never heard that until eddie died. Eddie Van Halen most likely burnt that bridge off. I’ve also heard Randy say Eddie Van Halen and Gary Moore was his favorites. Randy’s first influences was glen buxtan and mick ronson, the sweet, and Ronnie montrose..
Who gives a F what george has to say. And evh turned green with envy after listening to B.O.O. and D.O.A.M.M. Guaranteed. I'll explain it to you and everyone else who doesn't have a clue. Anyone can go out and buy an instrument and learn how to play it. That doesn't mean you should be a musician. There was only one Mozart. It's like one in 100.000. You can't be taught to be a great musician. evh was not a great musician. R.R. was way better and evh knew it.
yes i agree eddie rhoads and even jake e lee and robbin crosby all share riffs and patterns. i know this im from southern california and follow them closely.
Randy seemed more from the classical school while Eddie was balls to the wall feeling school. But both were great. So many great rock guitarists from that era that still inspire to this day.
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For me, Randy was the better player. RR was far more sophisticated, produced better chord progressions, and played more meaningful solos. Randy was far more disciplined and did far fewer if any drugs. Eddie was great for the first two albums, but I believe something happened to Eddie by the 2nd album. Remember Eddie was a hard-core alcoholic by 18. Eddie seemed to be far more susceptible to hero worship than Randy. The Kip Winger story (?) that purported Eddie "O.D'ed", i.e., was injured by all the coke and alcohol he was consuming seems to ring true. While Eddie stated he didn't even know Kip, word travels fast in those circles. Many celebs with bad Coke habits damaged their brains: Robin Williams, Martin Sheen, etc. and they were never the same afterward. VH had amassed three albums worth of material before they even released VH 1. Early VH jam tapes verify this.
Maybe Randy didnt think eddie stealing the tapping tricks from Terry Kilgore, and others, wasn't cool. Or ripping off the black and white stripe guitar scheme from The Dils guitarist.
Eddie was a mad scientist, inventor and innovator. Randy was a highly skilled music student and teacher.....I have great respect for both. Comparing them is like apples and oranges. Both possessed prodigious talent, but approached the guitar differently
highly skilled and talented, No comparing them is apples to apples, two guitar players Randy more educated and Ed chasing tone. Randy brought more to metal,, Ed changed things for rock.
Yes Randy seems to be the innovator of neo classical metal....Sorry Yngwie fans@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle
@@FrankWilson-r3e Yngwie fans should look for their seat at the kids table....
Ritchie and Uli were bringing classical into hard rock and metal, Rainbow did help user that in
But Randy was bringing in a style of playing guitar classical guitar playing...and his writing was more advanced
My favorite Randy moment is his solo on Mr. Crowley...Get rid of Ozzy's manic depressive whining vocals and its just about perfect@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle
Well said ... I came here to write nearly the same thing. I am a huge fan of both for different reasons.
The beef was on Eddies side. Randy never had a beef with anyone. He had a heart of gold. But regardless of who did what , RIP both guitar gods.
Right, they had totally different characters. Randy looked like an angel.
@@vinasel96 Agree 100%. And any half-way serious guitar player knows they had two TOTALLY different playing styles. Randy was known for incorporating classical music scales and arpeggios into his solos which was a distinct difference from Eddie's signature sound and innovative techniques, such as tapping, whammy bar dives, and harmonics. Two of the greatest guitarists in the biz but worlds apart in style.
LOl. That is NOT true. Randy despised Van Halen.
For real, eddie was just jealous narcissist, alcoholic, and coke head.
But word is rhoads taped a photo of eddie's face on his wah pedal so when he stomped on it, he was smashing eddie's face hahaha so fantastic
Disrespecting a rival after he's dead shows no class.
Agreed. I'm only now getting back into playing music again and learning more than ever that EVH was the best guitarist (instrumental inovator) ever. He turned it into a completely different instrument. It made different music.
But he was a shockingly hateful guy. Unpleasant and absolutely self absorbed. But I still love watching that kid play music with his brother and know that love is genuine.
Talent and virtue are present mostly in inverse proportions.
Yes, as good as Eddie is, he can be a real ass at times.
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I don't hear a similarity.
Which shows that it wasn't all Dave or even Sammy
Randy's live was taken away from us way too soon. We could only imagine what he would have created and achieved. RIP.
Randy was meh
Yeah, Eddie had been finished since Women and Children first. The alcohol stole his creativity. I don’t know where you’d rate him during Van Hagar, mediocre? Wolfgang will destroy his dads limits if he stays sober. Randy wouldn’t have that problem. I wish I’d known he had been drinking for so long. I met him after a show in 78/79? He had that accent that sounded like a fat tongue. No, he was wasted.
says no one who plays guitar and actually listened to Fair Warning and his incredible virtuosity and tone going forward- most pros mention how incredible Ed's playing was on Fair Warning- those that are real players and not typing nonsense@@scottsharp3356
@automatoncollectives7237 Really?! Thats a great way to put it. Where's your portfolio because Wes all love to hear what an amazing badass you are.
Youre right on man. I cant begin to imagine what his library would look like
Both great guitarists. Completely different types of players. There’s no such thing as the best. . It’s whose style you prefer. They were both great at what they did. All the people that say Eddie is the best. Instead of saying he’s the best, I will say he was the most innovative player of all time. To me VH has always been an incredible rythym player, more so than a lead player. I always felt that Rhoad’s lead playing was his biggest strength.
two all time great players but think of the incredible confluence of events to get those guys to be where they were with their talents, to grow up in the same area, one born in the hospital the other died at.
Incredible time to be alive. There is better of course there is, but at the level of these guys it really comes down to preference. We can tell Randy was a better player than George Lynch...and his peers.
Randy also had a brother who played drums and was an incredible rhythm player He did not even learn lead playing until he was 13.
Randy was a naturally gifted melody writer and his solos demonstrated that especially his scratch solos on DOAM. But his rhythms are incredibly underappreciated the fills on DOAM the album are amazing given how little time they had to write and rehearse it
@@davidmack4185 Randy is also more melodic and had a deeper knowledge of the instrument....
I agree completely with that .i believe also that Eddie's rhythm playing was a aspect of his playing thats been under-rated forsure .your right they both were legendary and they both inspired millions of young teens to pick up the guitar for the first time .i think Eddie focused more on his tone and sound from his amps and guitars more so than his songwriting .think Randy had a better knowledge of music theory that go's into creating compositions through phrasing and structures more so than Eddie but im not gonna sit here and claim Eddie Van Halen wasn't the one that set the world a blaze first with the releasing of their debut album cause they did and his playing was at the center of their music .i saw them both play live and think Randy was the better live player but his unbelievable stage presence was a huge take away from his life proformances also
All excellent and valid points from all of you. Two legends who were both great in their respective styles and approach to the instrument.
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle was going to say the same, EVH was more like patterns not scales, his swinging rhythm parts were great though
Honestly I miss them both I wish they were both still here God bless Randy rhoads and Eddie Van Halen RIP
I still can’t believe their gone🤕❤️
Here here. Amen to that. Loved them both!
They were both great.
The sad thing is Randy was taken from us way too soon.
Can you imagine if we had had this rivalry for 40 more years?
The music that would have been made…
Randy was determined to leave the rock scene and get into classical music. Randy was a pure musician. Eddie, while being one of the greats, let his ego get in the way destroying a band in their height of fame. Many of interviews over the years uncovered eddies true personality. Not a guy I’d have a beer with and more like the guy I’d crack a beer bottle over his head.
All these great players has their own style and sound. I never thought someone was better, they all wrote amazing solos and songs!
Finally, someone who loves all guitarists just like me! Thanks for commenting this bro! Your right, there’s no better guitarist, all unique!
@batlevi2247 Sorry, but evh is heads above the rest
Gtfoh any real player knows Randy's stuff was way more intricate than evh! Rhodes was the guitarist amongst the 2 and it wasn't close
Evh was a joke in metalland
@@jimb7816 evh a joke anywhere on the planet just shows stupidity and jealousy. I think the idiotic metal heads shaking their head up and down knocked their marbles loose
Ace Frehley was doing tapping on Kiss Alive Two and he never claimed Eddie stole the idea from him. Billy Gibbons also did the bend/tap technique but never acted like he "owned" it. Frankly Eddie had a mean streak, saying that stuff so soon after Randy's death was in really poor taste.
I remember that. Ace never even spoke about at the time
@@Drummerjeffkazee Eddie talked trash about Ace, saying something like "How could anyone see that guy as an influence," Ace was always chill. I really wish all these guys would just admit there was a mutual respect, they all did so much tor guitar playing in general . . . made the world a better place.
I think maybe due to the alcohol, drugs and adulation, Eddie became pretty protective of his "brand". Understandable when you look at it all unfolding from his perspective. I mean, within a year or two of VH1 dropping, we all had a strat with humbuckers and were tapping like mad. He was probably feeling ripped off and worried about losing his hard-earned status. I agree that he could have exhibited more class when talking about Randy Rhoads, it seemed he really had trouble giving credit where it was due. By the time Blizzard of Ozz came out I had pretty much lost interest in Van Halen's tunes. Not Eddie's playing, but the band as a whole. Always been way more of a Rhoads head myself 🤘
Who cares?
@@MrZardoz777Ace and all of kiss are at the bottom of the pile of talent-less garage bands. The public for some reason loved Kiss and the System (music payola ) brainwashed through repetition (radio) a lot not all consumers . Bad makeup and hair do not mask the lack of musical talent . This is all just my opinion as record and concert ticket sales are the actual votes and Kiss wins on a consistent basis 😮 i as a struggling musician (guitarist,musician) am on the final chapter of a book i never intended to write . After 50 plus years of playing guitar i have to admit i am not a rock star i am not a overnight sensation . I am however a decent self taught self employed guitarist. I am a true legend in my own mind in my own time.🎉❤😮😊🎉😊.
I love both Randy and EVH. They’re not the same and they had their own style of playing. They changed the way we approach Rock Music. My hats off to them!
Not really. There's two players who did most of these changes to the approach, namely, Ronnie Montrose and Tom Scholz. Without them there wouldn't have been an Eddie or Randy.
@@apollomemories7399 There would be no Van Halen without Montrose and Scholz?😜😜🤣🤣Those guys could play but that don't mean there would be no Eddie or Randy. Eddy's demo(Songs from 1st album} was floating around probably a little before Boston's first album came out. Eddie did like Montrose and Clapton, but he does not remotely sound like them.
@@apollomemories7399 Ronnie and Tom have zero impact on Ed and Randy
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle You reckon EVH came up with all that all by himself with zero reference to all the innovators who came before him? How did you arrive at such a conclusion?
@@attilathehun0 For some reason my first reply zapped into thin air.
Scholz had a demo tape in `75, ''Mother's Milk'. Clapton hasn't anything to do with this. EVH copied bits and pieces from a whole load of other guys and was a frankenstein.
I haven’t met either one of them but I just get the feeling that Randy was a very nice guy while Eddie was kind of an arrogant snob. Like I wrote in another comment I saw both play live and I was more impressed with Randy’s technical virtuosity. Randy could play things with only his left hand on the fretboard that Eddie probably wouldn’t even attempt without using his right as well.
I know that Randy was much more interested in classical/ flamenco guitar than most people realize. I do not hear similarities in their playing. Randy wrote guitar parts that enhanced Ozzy’s voice and had a darker sound to fit their image.
What about little guitars and spanish fly by eddie? They both dabbled in lots of different things
@@kenshii9d147 Randy was always a classical guy, classicay trained, he was much deeper into it.
@agirotto1 i feel ya. If only randy was still alive. Alot more to grow and evolve
Plus Ozzy was already a legend and I think it would be a lot more fun to play with him than David Lee Roth.
@@MrChopsticktechi think both would be very hard to work with. Just how they both act today. I think David was difficult after wctf. And ozzy was difficult the minute Randy sign on .
Ed was blues based,randy was more classically inspired heavy metal..Both great,legends!!
Agreed, and that (classical influenced hard rock/ metal) was the product of Randy playing with Ozzy. Randy had the musical knowledge to fit into any situation, so doing his homework about Ozzy (Sabbath up to that point) he realized minor key power chord riffs with a flatted 5th preference was prevalent, so that just REALLY allowed him to exploit alot of his classical guitar technique's and tonality (Minor, diminished, harmonic minor, etc).
If Randy had teamed up with say Stewart Copeland and Sting, he would have been just as good and effective imo, albeit more jazzy.
Hold up, Randy is on youtube playing the blues, he grew up playing the blues, Jazz and classical
But towards the end he was really into classical guitar and that came through on Diary of a Masterpiece
@@andyhayes7828 Randy started off playing the blues and jazz. there is an youtube video of the audio of him jamming the blues at 15
Eddie couldn't play actual blues if he tried. And no, Ice Cream Man isn't blues.
Eddie was heavily influenced by flamenco guitarists actually and fast blues playing. It was the flamenco players that first started tapping (on flamenco guitars!) although they didn't call it that and it wasn't done often because of the low volume! They just considered it legato playing! They were also known for their fast tremolo picking (with fingers) and melodic shredding! You can hear the flamenco influence on Eruption, Spanish fly and Little Guitars and some of his solos in his earlier works!
I loved Randy most. His two albums with Ozzy I felt deeper than all the Van Halen records. It was just so deep.
I guess that settles it.
Same here, plus I think his playing was much more melodic, and I don't know if Eddie ever harmonized any solos.
Well…it’s certainly getting deep now…
@@MrChopsticktech I think that came from Gary Moore. Randy liked Gary's playing.
I agree. I liked Van Halen but Randy's 2 albums with Ozzy inspired me to pick up the Guitar at age 12
Both had completely different styles. Loved EVH, but It was and always will be Randy for me. All day every day, and forevermore...!!
When I heard Randy for the first time, I was hooked. It's really just preference. It really helped that he was a sweetheart! But he was born to play that axe like he invented it.
I started learning to play in the late 70's. To me, Eddie was more pattern based in his solos, while Randy was more scale/theory based.
makes sense based on how they learned....
Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhodes, Dave Murray, Angus Young, Jimmy Page, Tony Iommi, Joe Perry, Glenn Tipton and K.K. Downing 💥🎸💥🎸💥 Now that's my TOP 10 🎶
Add Uli Roth, Micheal Schenker Ritchie Blackmore
And Brian May
You miss Roy Clark and Glen Campbell those guys burned all these other guys
Im definitely in the Randy Rhoads camp
Literally my two favorite guitarists. I miss them both. I've already read or heard everything discussed here except the section that mentioned Eddie buying an Ozzy record! That was a lttle too much to believe! Ha Ha.
Nice video!
Randy was a teacher, Eddie was an innovator. Randy's playing was more theory based while Eddie's was more patterns and technique. While Van Halen was getting popular, Randy was teaching and had students ask him to show them Van Halen licks. So he had to learn them
Randy was very technical he just knew more about theory...
I prefer the music that Randy wrote more than the music of Van Halen
Randy was an innovator, too. Saying it was all theory is a ridiculous take. Mr Crowley was assuredly very classically influenced but you take many other songs of his and you would be hard pressed to say it's all about theory. Geez guy, your ignorance is showing.
@@christebo7305 people should watch The original charvel gang doc...it pains a pic of how Randy changed the fortunes of Grover Jackson with a cocktail napkin and 12 hours of his time nearly 43 years ago
@@christebo7305 Point to the part where I said Randy was all theory? Calling Eddie an innovator doesn't mean that Randy wasn't a trailblazer himself. You either read too much into my comment or too little. But your ignorance is definitely on full display. Geez man, if you're going to play "I know more about Randy than you do", you may want to play it with someone who hasn't idolized both guitarist for forty years.
Knowing what I do about both of these guys, I would say that Randy was a super humble, quiet individual and Eddie was definitely more outspoken with an incredible Ego! I’ve heard others say that if you can’t get along with Randy Rhoads then you don’t like Anyone! Eddie along with his brother Alex forced Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar out of the band which tells me a lot! Both Sammy and Michael are known for being easy going, Great Guys unlike Eddie and Alex! I think Eddie’s drug and drinking problems changed his personality and led him to the “Dark Side”! Very Sad!
Sammy is a chode. A complete narcissist. It's always about Sammy, always will be about him. According to Sammy there were countless stories about so many musicians being a jerk, hard to work with etc. No, it's the conceited Sammy Hagar that is the common denominator every time there is conflict. Sammy still talks sh*t about Eddie, Alex and Dave today.
Personally, I'd have forced Sammy Hagar out of the Sammy Hagar Band just because he was Sammy Hagar. What a prized jerk that tool was. He was in love with himself and his hairdresser. Just effin' ghastly.
I don't blame Eddie for kicking Sammy out of the band --- just listen to songs like "Can't Stop Loving You" and "Big Fat Money" and it's painfully obvious that Sambo is an awful vocalist and lyricist --- Van Halen lost all their mojo with Sammy and he shoulda been booted out after the OU812 album
@@fredwerza3478 Indeed. But, surely their lowest ebb was that Cherone guy? What were they thinking? As Frank Zappa so coyly named it,..."Cocaine decisions".
@@fredwerza3478 you make a fair point, like Sammy as a person, but i agree that after ou812 there were not really any great/hit/catchy songs from 'Van Hagar' . Roth era had many classics. Hagar had 3 .
Ir seems like Eddie didn't get along with anybody, apart from his brother.
Ed had his bad moments
That more than I get along with..Count your friends and family all on one finger usually your middle finger
I never got to see Randy live, but I never really thought they sounded that much alike back in the day. At least not based on the albums. I loved both of them, but I guess I was more into Eddie. His tone and style were incredibly appealing to me. That said, some of Randy's leads seemed even harder to play than Eddie's stuff. They were both great players.
Both are great guitar players.
When Eddie said "Everything", I think he was talking about his techniques that Randy was using. Not every aspect of playing guitar. Just the "Flash" stuff. You left out the story of Eddie and DLR harassing Randy and Randy's GF in a parking lot one night.
Over the Mountain was recorded befrore Fair Warning. Diary depending on which drunken Sharon memory was recorded 6 week to 6 months after Blizzard. After the Euro tour. So Eds weird Vibrato was not copied or mimicked. I told Mrs Rhoads that there are ... people who make noize and play On guitar.... Guitar players, Guitarists... Musicians who play multiple instruments and have a good grasp on Music theory. And then their are Composers, Randy, Like Page.. etc Diary was one of R R compositions. Ed, really ! simple songs. Ed is like VP who said he invented the Internet Al Gore. There is a Video that is dated may 77 Zappa on Mike Douglas fully developed 2 handed Tapping, so Frank must ripped Edmond Von Holy off as well.
my man why you posting this multiple times.....
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Apologies ancient Desk top, when I went back I did not see a few of my posts. As the kids say.... "My Bad" {:
Sorry about the duplicate postings... old Desk Top with slow arse internet.
Randy's impact is pretty impressive considering he had such a (tragically) small body of work.
never has a guy been so highly regarded or as influential with that limited body of work, him making the top 25 of all time great players for a back mag like Rolling Stone is impressive.
Overrated🥹
Everyone's overrated to someone...
jokes...
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Hold on there, not so fast. That Rolling Stone isn't worth toilet paper. Any major dude will tell you Tommy Bolin tanked him in that respect.
EVH, Randy, George are all Iconic.. Just think if Randy could have stayed what he would have done.. Great work Kar , thx Shawn.. ✌️
Many thanks Scott, great pleasure!! Have an awesome day! 🎸✌
I think you have to look at this in context at that point in time. I don’t think they actually disliked each other, but they were definitely locked in a competitive headspace with each other. This was early on when the whole guitar hero thing was still pretty new.
One thing I will say, I do believe that had Randy lived, he would’ve surpassed Eddie Van Halen, maybe not in popularity, but he would’ve surpassed him in terms of guitar playing.
Even with the whole mid to late 80s neo classical shred guitar thing with Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, Michael Angelo Batio and the rest of them, Eddie’s playing had peaked and plateaued with eruption, granted he was His own thing with Van Halen, and an amazing songwriter, but there’s no way he would’ve competed with that next generation of shredders. Had Randy lived and was a part of that, Randy would’ve definitely had his moment in the spotlight, where I’m sure even Ed would’ve been impressed.
I agree they did not dislike each other. A lot of people think he was going to surpass Ed, but we will never know, sadly. The growth between BOO and DOAM is insane
The Jon Stix, later Nov. 82 GP issue, Randy Complemented everyone, whereas Ed slammed everyone ... Randy said EVH was Fantastic and the he did not want to get near competing with people like that. Randy also said the it will take a few years to come up with Something that no one has done before. Humilty and Graciousness. Ed was an insecure little dick. In a june of1983 Hit Parader EVH was asked how he wanted to be remembered, and he said I sure hope I dont have to die to be remembered. Well until he died, except for super Fan Boys like You and Rick Beetoff, no on did care. WB had dropped them and they were not selling any records. Had not toured since what 2015!!! Again every ED interview in GP GW etc magazine. New Vito Bratta read on Full Bloom has insight. Just a few things.. Diary, Steal away, Revelation, Dee, SATO etc....!!! Where is Ed in there?
SHould read the John Stix boo.....
Randy was deeper writer at their respective ages
Wolf Marshall did the forward in the original Tab books for BOO, DM. and Tribute. A few articles in Guitar rags. He went thru all songs and dissected all of the theory and modes etc. The stuff is way more complex and advanced, but did not sound flashy. Ed on the other hand would show that, to him, he cheated, his stuff was easier than it sounded. Ed was pissed when Tom Scholtz and Rick Derringer were doing Eruption at concerts. He said, hey I am not saying it its so crazy that people cant figure it out. Randy pretty much disowned Over the Mountain solo, in concerts it was like a train wreck like the Sabbath stuff. He said in one of the re cored lessons in PA maybe. That he didnt do a BOO lick... From Crazy Train I think. He was done with the Flash but trashy playing. SATO and other songs he used the Wang more like David Gilmour.. expressive, emotional and vocal.
I remember Ed saying something about everyone using Modes... He said there are 12 notes, what you do with them is up to you. Thats my way also... maybe Georges too. I saw a
Tab on a guitar neck that showed Alan Holdworth type playing, and it was like the whole being played. Very few non touched notes.
I heard it that EVH was # 1 in LA, then Randy, then George. But those 3 were tops. Another comment: EVH circa 79-80 was the best live guitarist i ever saw. But I would have liked VH even more if they played the darker stuff Randy played with Ozzy.
I can remember an interview with Randy where he said he learned a lot of Eddie's links from students asking to learn EVH. The thing is, he used stuff EVH did; but he also was very unique. He had that classical influence that many didn't have.
he never said that, he said he used licks people associate with Ed during his spotlight solo because he felt the kids in the audience wanted flash.
Randy was his own guy.
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle He definitely was his own guy. He took the techniques he learned from helping his students learn the EVH material and incorporated it into his playing; but his style was very distinct. I personally found even his solo spot in Suicide Solution was still uniquely him even if he did incorporate some EVH style passages. EVH's style is more bluesy while Randy came from a more classically influenced direction.
And that story about Randy wslking in on Eddie in the record store in the mall holding a stack if records was told in a Hit Parader and Guitar Player magazines before Rany died cause i read them so it wasn't something made up after his death. And if im not mistaken Michael Anthony did confirm Eddie did in fact go out and buy the Diary Record for one reason .and that reason was Eddie was driving down the road one day and turned on the radio at the same exact time "Flying High Again" was playing and it was right as the solo started not hearing Ozzys voice at first and thought who is this not knowing until Ozzy voice came in after the solo but Eddie told Michael that he thought that solo was very close to part of Eruption which it very well is just in a different key and the tapping was done with a pick as everyone knos .but Eddie went straight out and bought the record cause in his mind Randy had ripped off his solo and wanted to listen to the whole record to see if Randy had ripped off anymore of his solos .now that is what Michael Anthony said was the reason Eddie went out and bought the Record. Which sounds like something that could have very well happened .plus Randy wasn't the one that told that story it was whoever was with him either Jody or Kevin possibly even Rudy .
Nice
My friend you are dead right, true story.
He Eddie wanted to listen to the whole album to see if Thee Randy Rhodes had ripped off anything else from him did he buy the other ozzy record and scan it for any suspicious guitar solos ?
@@jamie-iy5tl some people prefer Eddie over Randy and others prefer Randy over Eddie .it's just whatever you think think .forget about the records.but I saw both live Eddie 3 times Randy 1 time and IMO Randy was the much better live player .and it's kinda wild that everyone that saw both seems to feel the same way .seriously I've yet to hear even one person that saw both say Eddie was the better "Live" performer .not that someone that had might have it's just I've yet to here someone say it publicly
This channel's Terry Kilgore video shows randy resnick ripped off bt harvey mandel, who got ripped off by Chris Holmes and Terry Kilgore.. who the were all reipped off bt Ed. @@jamie-iy5tl
I was raised musically by this genre and these two dudes were the biggest talks abouts in L.A. As far as I'm concerned, they're both guitar genius'. I can't say who's better than the other. I love both of them. Randy and Eddie for ever. 🤘😌👍
Hell yes
Randy and Eddie are nothing alike. Was just cool they both came out when mostly music was trash except a couple bands.
I saw both EVH & RR in concert, to me they are equal. They gave this world & us everything they had. They were gifted, talented & special❤️ They made an impact on the music world ❤️
The three sound completely different! Eddie opened the door for sure…
Randy is the best. ❤
I missed the whole Eddie train growing up. Hendrix was played in my house constantly by my older brother , Sabbath / Iommi as well … so it was simply a natural progression for me to gravitate towards Randy Rhoads playing as a kid.
Obviously this was before RUclips and iTunes / Spotify so the only music I really listened to were albums that I had purchased … and I was much more into the “Heavier” stuff.
It wasn’t until decades later when I joined a local cover band and they started throwing in Van Halen into the sets that I realized what a phenomenal player he was, especially his rhythm guitar parts. Happy I eventually was able to catch that Eddie Train.
What Randy would be if youtube and cellphones existed back then.....
Two all time great players Randy ofcourse setting the path on the Crazy Train
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle i don'think it would have made him better if that's your point, think about it, people have it now and all they are is technical players, for one thing people would have copied him, he would have had access to tons of lessons, sometimes limitations are good, perhaps you meant he would be bigger though? i could agree on that..
ah yes, the much overlooked 16th note swing, people play those parts wrong all the time..
You actually didn't miss anything. Hendrix had more ideas than these two combined ever had. Just one single example of that would the track (the relatively unknown) Peace In Mississippi instrumental, recorded on 24th Oct 1968 and as found on the 2015 reissue of The Jimi Hendrix Experience 'purple' 4CD box set. Enjoy!
@@apollomemories7399 Hendrix did not ...he is a B leaguer who simply came earlier on in history.
As a guy once told me: if your first exposure to guitar heroes were Randy and Ed, it is much tougher to appreciate a guy like Jimi, who just did not have that talent.
The comments on these videos are always fun to read. I suppose it's natural, particularly in the US to compare the two of them, but I don't really think it means much. For what it's worth, I think Randy was more like Michael Schenker than anyone else, but because Schenker was never really a big name in America, Randy got credit for a style of playing that had been around for a while in Europe. From a European perspective, Blackmore, Schenker and maybe Gary Moore were probably more significant than Eddie Van Halen or Randy Roads.
They were both fantastic, we should all be happy they were here and gave us the music they did. I’m happy if either are on the stereo, and when they do pop on I CRANK THE VOLUME ALL THE WAY UP AND SMILE!!! RIP EDDIE AND RANDY
Ace and all of kiss are at the bottom of the pile of talent-less garage bands. The public for some reason loved Kiss and the System (music payola ) brainwashed through repetition (radio) a lot not all consumers . Bad makeup and hair do not mask the lack of musical talent . This is all just my opinion as record and concert ticket sales are the actual votes and Kiss wins on a consistent basis 😮 i as a struggling musician (guitarist,musician) am on the final chapter of a book i never intended to write . After 50 plus years of playing guitar i have to admit i am not a rock star i am not a overnight sensation . I am however a decent self taught self employed guitarist. I am a true legend in my own mind in my own time.🎉❤😮😊🎉😊.
I think Randy and evh are great players but very diferent. I prefer Randy , all his solos are amazing and everythings has more sense, better person toi
Don't feel bad about the Ozzy gig Bro. I just watched a video where Sharon talks about the couple hundred audition tapes/photos and said Ozzy was completely overwhelmed....he reached into a pile and pulled out Zakk. That was the end of it right there, according to her. The rest is history, obviously.
Interesting, thanks for posting that but I believe to this day he got the right guitarists. Zakk was a Black Sabbath fan and I was not. Sabbath is a good band and I saw them with Ozzy in the late 70's.
It only sounds delusional to YOU because YOU don't want to believe the truth.... I was out there in LA just before and when VanHalen broke thru.... I saw both bands ,Quiet Riot AND VanHalen when they were both playin the Strip and LA scene... I NEVER saw Eddie at ANY of the Riot's shows, but at least on 3 occasions I saw Randy in the crowd at VH gigs... and I also witnessed how many, many times he would turn his back to the crowd at crucial points in his playing to guard his tricks and techniques from being copied prior to them breaking out.... and it WORKED for him..... and put it THIS way... If Randy Rhoads could do on his own everything Eddie VanHalen was doing..... RANDY WOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN DOING IT... BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT YET.... THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW YET... EDDIE WAS OUT IN FRONT ALONE FOR AWHILE...... HE WAS THE ORIGINAL AND HE WAS COPIED ALL OVER THE WORLD...... Soon after VH broke thru, you heard his style in EVERYbody in Rock and Metal's music... THAT is irrefutable TOO.... Sorry folks, but if Randy was here, he would TELL you what I just told you... Randy was a very humble dude and would rather listen than be the talker... They were absolutely the two baddest ass guitarists out there at the time... and there was some killer competition out there in those years... I was out there from the end of Jan. 1977 to Nov. of 1979 after I got out of the Marines... Riot loved the Starwood and VanHalen liked the Whiskey lol... in more than one way...
Yes of course Eddie's the King but his comment on Randy - 'Everything he did he learned from me' sounds really pompus
Listened to Van Halen first,just thrashed the shit out of their albums until one day my mate had a cassette tape of the Ozzy Tribute album and put it on in his van. My mind was blown when I heard Randy's playing. For me Randy was a way better guitar player,he was amazing. Gone to soon
Because Randy was basically a more versatile player. He had a much wider musical palette and knew what a nice sounding acoustic guitar could also do.
As a fan of both and guitar player who copies both, Ed did it first, sorry not sorry, Randy did it best.
EVH is rock, Randy was metal. Eddy was the blues / rock n roll on steroids, Randy was that for classic music. If you ask metal guitar players today more often you’re going to get Randy inspired, rock guys is Eddy.
Randy was a way better composer
I just love both. Great story Kar.
Seems to be recently, that there has to be some sort of personal beef created between these guys, which was never really mentioned back in the 80's (yes, 40 years ago). And neither are around to confirm or deny it.
Though it can be reasonably certain the meow reaction by Eddie in the interview after Randy's death (Jas Obrecht in GP?) is a fair indication Eddie at least kept abreast of what Randy was doing. If that means he felt threatened by Randy, well that's for others to judge...... my own thoughts on the matter think RR worried Ed with his potential.
Those that can't hear the difference between Randy's and Ed's playing might be listening with their eyes, not their ears. Other than a bit of tapping and the live solo with Ozzy, it's Randy's darker compositional approach vs Ed's flashy off-the-cuff hyper-Clapton and Page.
Eddie's was already the finished product when Ted Templeman found him - his playing had peaked at VH1 (short of a renaissance for Carnal Knowledge and Balance where he really started to play again), and we only got two developmental albums from Randy (listen to the progress from the early QR stuff to DOAM and BOO) where Ozzy and Sharon probably had the shackles on. So can't see how we'll ever make a fair comparison (if we should at all).
Another thing. Did Floyd Rose have a locking nut available of even the FR trem back in the late 70's? Don't think so. Eddie couldn't keep the standard Fender trem in tune either, and did he use the FR before Women and Children First?
Many thanks! I read somewhere that Eddie learned how to keep his guitar in tune without a locking nut for his tremolo from Jeff Beck. Jeff Beck had showed him.
think about it at the same ages, Ed was writing shorter flashier poppier songs 3 minutes in length.
Randy was more prog and writing longer songs with solos that fit within the song no matter where they went, think of Revelation, great solo at the end of the song.
As George Lynch implied Randy simply had a greater level of knowledge than others, he said Randy's reservoir of knowledge was incredibly deep
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Spot on. They were on different trajectories. Eddie became a rock star; Randy was still a musician.
Doesn't get mentioned much but Randy stepped out of his comfort zone from QR to revive Ozzy (Ozzy was not getting DOAM and BOO without Randy and Bob Daisley), grew musically, excelled and was set to continue to do so (was he quitting the Osborne deal after the BOO tour to study Classical at UCLA?).
Whereas Eddie never had to stretch until Roth left the band, and he had to work with Sam. The gaping difference sonically between Van Roth and Van Hagar screams how much Eddie relied on the singer in the band. Dave and Sam never get their dues regarding how important they were to VH. When Ed tried to make it his own show with Cherone, it all fell apart.
George is underrated reckon. Kept getting better, wrote great songs and still kills it now at about 70. Instantly recognizable sound.
I'm pretty sure a few tricks EVH used to stay in tune (tried to at least) with the old Fender bridge prior to the FR tremolo. One was a "brass nut" then applied a "dry graphite lube" on the nut. And the trick with the bridge was adding an additional "springs" or different springs altogether that had a heavier or lighter tensions to them. Now, IDK if the knowledge & tricks to this setup came from Jeff Beck, Fender, another guitarist or not, maybe it did. I could see Beck showing Eddie a few of his own tricks. Or if Eddie figured it out on his own just knowing Eddie was always tinkering around with his gear trying to invent something new to create a better sound & evolve the world of guitar. 🤔. +Peace Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+ 🤘😜🤘
Well put..
There is always ego and jealousy, throw in a girl and drugs, just call it rock n roll!!! Plus Eddie has been known to have a few fudes 😮
Eddie was the Mechanic that invented ..
Randy was the dork heading off to Berkley School of Music...
Big Difference...
Randy didn't even drive his own car... 😂😂😂
Ed knew how to hold a grudge, I'll give him that. 🤨
Ed was a real asshat back in the 80’s and that is often very much overlooked.
The first two Ozzy albums are the best rock albums of the 80s. Hands down. There are things Randy did that blew my mind and still do. Of course, the same is true for Eddie, but Randy moved me more.
Shawn, would you upload some videos of your own playing (like the audition tape for Ozzy)? It seems you were steeped in the LA scene in the 80s, and it would be cool for us to hear some of it, especially the ones who have been following the channel for a while.
Great Channel 🫶🏼🎦🆒🆒🆒
Hi, I'm Kar. Thank you guys for checking out, I appreciate! Check out Shawn's youtube channel - www.youtube.com/@ShawnStaplesFreeGuitarLessons . He uploads his guitar lesson videos and music videos from his albums to his channel. Awesome stuff, check it out 🎸
@karsguitarchannel6088 sorry, I though Kar was maybe the name of your first band or something along thise lines.
My bad, but my comment stands, only I'm asking you for your - Kar's - music and personal experiences in that scene. I'm sure you have loads of both that you could share.
[I thought you were Shawn because I probably wasnt paying close enough attention - but when you spoke about your playing and showed pics of Shawn twice it's a bit of an understandable mistake].
Love the channel mate.
I do have videos of me playing the Sunset strip clubs and will post some of that someday but right now I am releasing my 3 solo albums on my RUclips channel. ruclips.net/video/tihRsyI7a6w/видео.html
I was 12 when Van Halens first record came out in 1978 and it was so unique and different than anyone had ever heard i was instantly hooked and their biggest fan .Van Halens 2nd Record came out a year later and was my favorite record of theirs .well from 1978 - 1981 nothing had ever came out that sounds anything like Eddie's playing until Blizzard Of Ozz came out .Randy's playing was instantly compared to Eddie's being the first and only thing that sounded simular to EVH .i remember the first time i heard Randy was when i first heard "i Don't Know" on the radio in 81 when i was 15 and the very first thing that came to mind was wow this player is phenomenal and sounds like Eddie .not so much like Eddie's but the tone and technically precise in hid solos was similar .
"WHAT" happened...??? It just so "happened" that EVH had such an EGO problem that he was SUCH a pryck towards RHOADS (heckling him and name calling during Randy's Q.R. days on the club circuit etc.)...NTM- THAT STUPIDAZZ remark claiming "Ohh yeah, LEAST he was HONEST. He said RIGHT TO ME, 1st thing- EVERYTHING I EVER learned? I learned FROM YOU!" also replying to the interviewer "Well... WHADDA YOU THINK?" ALL arrogant and the like......Kay, "KING Edward" 😒 ..... Sorry NOT sorry, JUST the facts....... Again? Eddie made GREAT Rock/Hard Rock guitar music...RANDY RHOADS made GREAT METAL music. Period
Randy is an all time great musician, Ed also, but Ed was not as humble
Nice. Jas Obrect the interviewer placated Ed because he knew Ed was going to featured in GP for years. Plus I dont think he heard more than a few songs. Around 83 Jas said Hendrix was the most advanced during his era, Then Eddie, and now RR is the most advanced.... obviously B4 Malmerstein
KAR shawn who ever says Ed changed his a little bit into the remaining conversation: that was PR due to Ed saying back in 78 that everyone knew him as an ego-ed out prick.
Eddie had a great tone. He worked hard at crafting his tone. Randy was so technically proficient. Just as innovative in his own classical type way. But Randy had an absolute AWFUL tone. Too much distortion, just saturated. And not really much else. His clean tone was okay. But nothing like EVH’s.
Randy will always be my favorite 🤘🏻
Let’s be serious people. Edward Van Halen. Nothing more to say. Let’s be serious. Randy Rhoads was great. Please don’t compare him to Eddie. Stop.
It is hard to believe that George Lynch is the only one left. George has such a unique sound and style too. It is always enjoyable to watch him play. The bridge/solo section on the song "Tooth and Nail" by Dokken remains one of my favorites. All three guitarists are icons.
George is part of the holy trinity but he is a notch below.....great player, just not Randy nor Ed
The tone on Tooth and Nail sounded like it was recorded in a garage
I suspect Lynch wrote parts of at least one RR solo. RR loved him some GL back in the day. Can you imagine hearing those jam tapes?
I was thinking the same recently about George, If he stays healthy he will be around for awhile.
Don't forget Warren TORCH Demartini, he was one of the best of that era. Warren and George were both assassins on guitar. Warren is my favorite guitarist of all time next to EDDIE. Peace...........
I'm pretty sure that Michael Schenker influenced them all and Michael is still alive and performing.
I believe that it is more than just solos that define a guitarist. Over composition of something matters more. I love both, but Randy did Diary Of A Madman, which is just a work of guitar art. I think Eddie may have also had issue with the fact that Randy was working with, arguably, the best frontman aside from Freddie Mercury. Aka Ozzy Osbourne. There is no way David Lee Roth could compete with Ozzy. I don’t know if I fully agree that Ozzy was the best, but I know a lot of people love Ozzy like that. Maybe Eddie had some jealousy
Let us not forget, Van Halen opened for Black Sabbath, Van Halen stole the show every night. Ozzy leaves Black Sabbath, ozzy goes and finds the next Best thing to Eddie and Rest is History.
I say stop competing just play the mfr if ya got it ya got it period
Let's not forget the competition was fierce and evh certainly was the front runner but Randy was definitely the more competent and well rounded player, especially with his knowledge and classical background.....Great video Karl
Many thanks for checking out, great pleasure!! 🎸
You are more than welcome. The pleasure is all mine love your videos and insight
Both were awesome guitarists but if I would've had a chance to meet one of them I would choose Randy cause Randy seemed down to Earth and i have heard too many stories about how the Van Halen brothers could be straight up asshole's sometimes so i guess in some instances you are better off not meeting your hero's, I respect both legends and how they pushed the boundaries of what the guitar meant and could do
"We plsyed every Black Sabbath song"- Eddie Van Halen, Formerly known as Rat Salad wich is a track on Peranoid album, Black Sabbath 1971. Randy said he didn't like Sabbath yet he join Ozzy to make Blacl Sabbath style music. 🎸
As technically difficult as Eddie was to cover Randy was even more so. He was an absolutely different animal.
Eddie top 3 guitarist in the world. Easy Randy had a different sound. Excellent job thank you. Randy had more neoclassical scales.
Big thanks, great pleasure!! 🎸
What a ridiculous statement to make. In the world?! What world do you live in? Is it the size of your bedroom? You really need to get out more and educate yourself.
Sounds like a late 70's Southern California SOAP OPERA.
That said, in 1978, I was at a teenage kegger party out in the woods and someone put some music on a cassette boom box.
Nobody had ever heard of this new band, Van Halen.
After Eruption had played, the 75 kids that were there had been STUPIFIED INTO SILENCE. Nobody had EVER heard ANYTHING like THAT, EVER.
It completely changed everything.
Everyone I knew, was desperate to buy an electric guitar and LEARN skills that would duplicate Eddie's tone. HAH!!! Fat chance.
I went out and bought VH 's 1st album, then stopped by a pawn shop to see about buying a Les Paul copy.
We have huge dreams when we are 15
Other than the fact that they both used a lot of tapping, I never considered Randy’s playing any sort of copy of EVH. I feel their styles are different. Ed was fantastic but Randy was the one who truly blew me away. I still listen to those first 2 Ozzy albums and can’t get enough RR. EVH saying that RR learned everything he knew from VH is a lot of arrogant horse shit.
Randy did not use a lot of tapping, he used it sparingly same with the whammy.
George just did an interview where he said this on Randy: In Ozzy, Randy blossomed, those two records were just F me..that was a whole other dimension.still to this day could just take a deep dive and try to learn from, his compositional skills and his classical influences that went into his writing...his choice of notes were so articulate and on point. He created something new that was important."
We all are influenced good or bad from listening to others
Obviously I didn't know either one of them and I only know what I've been told or what I've read. But Eddie does kind of seem like a big dick. I never liked the tapping s*** I hated it I still hate it I would rather have a good 70s guitar player over Eddie give me Billy Gibbons everyday
Randy was a pioneer, like Eddie
Unfortunately Randy Rhoads died too young, most of his work are the 2 Ozzy first albums. Eddie came first and also more prolific. Both were ahead of their time and great.
The Jon Stix, later Nov. 82 GP issue, Randy Complemented everyone, whereas Ed slammed everyone ... Randy said EVH was Fantastic and the he did not want to get near competing with people like that. Randy also said the it will take a few years to come up with Something that no one has done before. Humilty and Graciousness. Ed was an insecure little dick. In a june of1983 Hit Parader EVH was asked how he wanted to be remembered, and he said I sure hope I dont have to die to be remembered. Well until he died, except for super Fan Boys like You and Rick Beetoff, no on did care. WB had dropped them and they were not selling any records. Had not toured since what 2015!!! Again every ED interview in GP GW etc magazine. New Vito Bratta read on Full Bloom has insight. Just a few things.. Diary, Steal away, Revelation, Dee, SATO etc....!!! Where is Ed in there?
Have you read the book John wrote about Randy, it includes the interview and then quotes from his peers and bandmates Ozzy lying about him helping write BOO before bob joined.
George saying Crazy Train influened Mr Scary.
Ed was more insecure and less humble. Randy was more complimentary.
Vito Bratta actually explains a lot of why people may have taken Randy for granted back then, because they assumed he was doing what so many other guys did with recording multiple takes and then piecing together solos like Ed did Fact is Randy recorded his solos in one take after working them through. Also said people assumed Randy used a chorus pedal to get that multi tracking sound, when in fact, Randy told Max Norman he wanted to double and triple the rhythm and solos in certain spots. Max says he had never seen anyone be able to do it in successive takes
Bob got so screwed as well as Lee, his drumming was great and New. Song DM has all kinds of great drumming.
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I don’t think so. Randy is more metal, darker sound. Ed was more blues based mostly blues licks.
I enjoy/love Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a madman very much! Both Eddie and Randy blew my mind! Both were super great!
Both great, but I'll take Randy's melodic shredding and tone over EVH's noodling any day.
Ted Nugent was a killer guitar player I don't care what anybody says
Facebook group ...The Great Randy Rhoads and his legacy, and Blizzard of Ozz Truthers
Eddie made noises Randy Made music
Van Halen is one of the top selling bands of all time I think he’s much more than just noises.
@CRoo-zu5ij Said no one ever except you. They did both made some of the greatest music ever
I don't think they sound anything like each other. The only thing they have in common is that two handed tapping. I think Eddie was jealous of Randy.
Apples to Oranges.. different flavors. Loved all 3 of those guys. Wept for days when Randy and Eddie passed. George is as different as Randy is to Eddie. That’s the problem today. No one sounds original. All those guys in the ‘80’s WERE original and had a SIGNATURE sound. Not the case nowadays.
You’re right, all the guitar nerds are more concerned with sweep arpeggios/technique over style & most have learned from RUclips, so they all sound the same. Plus, they all have the same processed/digital tone, which is awful!
Don't forget WARREN TORCH DEMARTINI, He had his own aggressive, crunchy, scratchy sound. Warren is a guitar god absolute LEGEND....... Lynch and Demartini were asassins on guitar. Where does the time go😮😮😮. Peace..........
Such an awesum comment! Eddie Van Halen & Randy Rhoadz, were both true originalz, with their own seperate stylez. Playerz afterward, started imitating & getting really technical, @ da xpense of emotional nvolvement/feeling, n da playing.
LOVED Van Halen. Came 2 Randy, later, BUTT wuz curious about him. I prefer his blending of Classical n2 Hard Rock, 2 Yngwiez. LOVE Yngwie.... Itz just Randy wuz VERY tasteful & didn't overdo it. Wish he had mo time 2 dvelop. He wuz probably da kick n da azz, Eddie Van Halen needed, 2 keep progressing. Eddie had Allan Holdsworth, azz nspiration, after Randy passed, BUTT Holdsworth, wuz n an ntirely different genre 2 EVH & so Eddiez feet, were not held 2 da flame, so 2 speak. I wish I could make a practical bet, dat Eddie woulda progressed azz a Guitar player, way mo than he did, if Randy had of stayed around.
Still - ERUPTION...... WHUT A BLAST!
@@tommcdonough6086 They played more Ratt videos on MTV than
Dokken. Saw both groups live, Dokken opened for Loverboy, and
Lynch did not disappoint. But they seemed lifeless at times during
that concert. Burnout? Fatigued? Fighting? Perhaps all three things.
Ratt was their Reach For The Sky. The concert was too damn quick.
Can't remember if they opened for someone. The only question I have
is the fact that the police never had any roadblocks to check if someone
was unfit to drive. They always had those cones set up after a Van Halen
concert, but not Ratt, or Dokken. I guess it depended on what city it was.
I saw all three in different cities. My favorite Demartini album was Invasion
Of Your Privacy. Ratt played I think none of those songs at the concert.
Mostly first album, and Reach For The Sky. lol! The time did go, about as
fast as that Ratt concert!
It's odd Randy, with his California background, could meld classical ideas with Osbourne's blue collar, industrial, gloomy metal from England... but he did meld them, in a way similar to Blackmore. Those two really should get more comparison.
The quote I read on Eddie Van Halen's thoughts of Randy Rhodes when he died.
Was that he is still playing guitar. But now he's playing with John Bonham.
Eddie was a narcissist and self sabotaging, Randy was driven yet humble 🤪
Eddie was an alcoholic, the problems that he turned to alcohol for are also the ones that gave him those negative personality traits. It's common among drug addicts.
I saw the Ozzy show in Los Angeles in 81 New Years eve. Randy's solo was just bad ass. He even copied EVH. He made it look so easy. Rhodes will always be number #1
We are talking stories between 2 kids playing bars in the late 70's at around the age of 21/22. Stories that have been retold and remembered decades later.
I am sure there has been some artistic 'additions and omissions' in these stories over the years as well and lets not forget alcohol and other influences.
Great video, great stories, in the end, we as musicians should be thankful we have had these two wonderful musicians to learn from.
two all time great heroes, but the title is absolutely misleading, they did not NOT get along, they just never hung out and we creating differnet career paths to get to the top.
Ed was a rock a star who indulged in excess, randy was a reluctant rock star who decided to focus on getting better
Legends & Myths now eh cheers
@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Not entirely correct....yes Ed had substance abuse issues. But you talk to ANYONE who knew him and from the man himself. He never loved the "rock star" thing and was probably as reluctant to wear that tag as Randy.
Both guys were 100% true musicians 1st above & beyond the rest of that rock star crap.
@@justingibson508 but which guy deliberately decided not to indulge in excess and get more serious ?
It's sad to hear that these guys behaved like 13 year old girls with such bewilderingly fragile, yet enormous egos.
Here's the difference: Eddie was self-taught and so had an unconventional approach to the guitar. He was very unique.
Randy was classically trained and was seemingly the first to fuse classical into heavy metal/rock to the degree he did.
I would say that when it comes to _riffs,_ EVH was absolutely above Randy. (Although when you hear songs like Revelation Mother Earth, you can see that Randy was continuously improving his prodigious skills.) EVH's riffs get lost in the mix because everyone only sees the flash of the leads, but his riffs were fkn unbelievably creative and complex. When it came to _leads,_ Randy could (imo) match Eddie, and sometimes surpass him. Randy was a tactician, while EVH was more of a magician.
All that said, we don't see EVH copying Randy, but we do see the opposite. A lot of that had to do with the fact that EVH was already established, while Randy was coming onto the scene a bit later. We all know that imitation is the highest form of flattery, so there's no doubt that Randy had a high regard for EVH's playing. I would also say that the opposite is likely true because why else would EVH get concerned/perturbed about Randy's comments and his (I would say) blatant and admitted mimicry unless he saw Randy as a great player and consequently, a threat; a peer of about equal merit?
I think they both had a begrudgingly high regard for each other; both were unique and innovative; both had a fantastic command of the fretboard. *_Unfortunately, Randy was snuffed out early, so we never got to see him achieve his full potential; I can't blame anyone who says that in time Randy could have surpassed EVH, especially since EVH was drugged out of his mind while Randy was a sober workaholic._*
For me, that's the crux of the matter. The former, we were lucky enough to see the product of his entire life's work but with the latter, we only got a snippet of a guy who was on the way up, had not peaked yet, and was determined to put out a higher quality brand of unique guitar playing.
It sure would have been nice to have seen a collaborative effort. That would have been legendary!
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I believe Randy became the better guitarist when he joined Ozzy & Bob Daisley encouraged Randy to play more classical modes. Eddie had one mode. I remember the first time I heard the middle break in "Panama" & I thought Wow! Eddie knows some blues. It was a different emotion than his usual party all the time mode. I would rather listen to Mr Crowley over anything Eddie played or even the outro for Tonight. Randy played with a more emotional range. To show my age I had Fair Warning & Diver Down in 8 Track.
I like it spot on!
I dont know this competition RR/VH...
RR got a real metal style, VH was more rock ' n roll with some metal riffs but without distortion pedals !!!!
Something I found interesting. As great as Eddie was, I read somewhere online not long ago that he tried a few times to get lessons from Glenn Campbell, because he was a big fan of his playing. So it had me thinking, no matter how good you are, there will always be someone else who is better at a particular style than you are. The guitar is an instrument, we truly will never master.
Glenn Campbell could play virtually anything in a variety of styles (of course, nor necessarily heavy metal) and simply wasn't show-offy about it. He'd been a very successful session guy in the 60's. Rhinestones optional.
Excellent point. Steve Lukather also mentioned that Campbell was a huge influence on his playing, and was “mesmerized” by his playing, and tried to learn from him as much as he could.
Eddie liked his ego fueling cocaine and was a nonsensical drunk at times.
Randy just scratched the surface of what might have been.
I would blindly take what might've been with Rhoades over all of Eddie's credits, respectfully.
"If", RIP Mr. Rhoads
At the end of the day, it is the SONG that matters. We all know the best not only have chops, but the song. Chase both - but the song first 😊
Agreed can someone write a song....a lot of guys have chops, who can do other people's stuff.
But write me a good song.
Eddie Van Halen was supposed to be sweet guy, I never heard that until eddie died. Eddie Van Halen most likely burnt that bridge off. I’ve also heard Randy say Eddie Van Halen and Gary Moore was his favorites. Randy’s first influences was glen buxtan and mick ronson, the sweet, and Ronnie montrose..
Eddie couldn't have cared less about Randy. He was no competition at all. Ask George who the king was, he'll tell you.
George couldn't tell ya which bathroom to use these days. 😂
Who gives a F what george has to say. And evh turned green with envy after listening to B.O.O. and D.O.A.M.M. Guaranteed. I'll explain it to you and everyone else who doesn't have a clue. Anyone can go out and buy an instrument and learn how to play it. That doesn't mean you should be a musician. There was only one Mozart. It's like one in 100.000. You can't be taught to be a great musician. evh was not a great musician. R.R. was way better and evh knew it.
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@@caseycassidy-k4z ozzi first two album S. Are trash💩💩💩🤮🤮
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I think if Ed was 'green with envy' he hid it really well...and then went on to record Mean Street, Cathedral, etc.
yes i agree eddie rhoads and even jake e lee and robbin crosby all share riffs and patterns. i know this im from southern california and follow them closely.
Randy seemed more from the classical school while Eddie was balls to the wall feeling school. But both were great. So many great rock guitarists from that era that still inspire to this day.
For me, Randy was the better player. RR was far more sophisticated, produced better chord progressions, and played more meaningful solos. Randy was far more disciplined and did far fewer if any drugs. Eddie was great for the first two albums, but I believe something happened to Eddie by the 2nd album. Remember Eddie was a hard-core alcoholic by 18. Eddie seemed to be far more susceptible to hero worship than Randy. The Kip Winger story (?) that purported Eddie "O.D'ed", i.e., was injured by all the coke and alcohol he was consuming seems to ring true. While Eddie stated he didn't even know Kip, word travels fast in those circles. Many celebs with bad Coke habits damaged their brains: Robin Williams, Martin Sheen, etc. and they were never the same afterward. VH had amassed three albums worth of material before they even released VH 1. Early VH jam tapes verify this.
very cool. thumbs up a thousand times.
Big thanks, great pleasure!! 🎸
Maybe Randy didnt think eddie stealing the tapping tricks from Terry Kilgore, and others, wasn't cool. Or ripping off the black and white stripe guitar scheme from The Dils guitarist.