HUXWRX Flow 5.56K versus SilencerCo Velos LBP 5.56 on Four Different Barrel Lengths
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- At Tritac Shooting Range in Salem, Oregon using Pewnitions Factory 55 grain 5.56 through HUXWRX Flow 5.56K and SilencerCo Velos LBP 5.56 with four different barrel lengths. I got the Velos for my V53 and you'll see it in the future.
Adams Arms P2 7.5” upper on a Noveske Chainsaw sbr lower with Franklin Armory AR-C1 binary trigger, Holosun 510C Elite green dot, Griffin M2 back up sights and Rail Shield, Hogue stock, Magpul K2+ grip and Hexmag
Adams Arms P2 11.5” upper on a Spikes Punisher sbr lower with Franklin Armory AR-C1 binary trigger, Holosun 510C Elite green dot, Magpul Pro back up sights and K2+ grip and Gen3 window magazine, Hogue stock and Inforce WML light
Adams Arms p2 16” upper on a Capitol Armory lower with Franklin Armory AR-C1 binary trygger, Primary Arms SLx ACSS Raptor 1-8 on a Vortex 2” cantilever mount, Hogue stock, Magpul K2+ grip and Gen 3 window magazine
Tritac’s Klein Machining complete upper with 24” heavy barrel on a Post Sample Knights Armament lower, Daniel Defense stock and EOTech HWS XPS sight
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Thanks for making this comparison, especially indoors. Most vids are outdoors but this gives a better comparison for a home defense situation.
That’s a great point! Thanks for your comment.
It kinda looked like the velos had less visible gas coming out the end cap, the hux looked like the gas was faster and more intense. I got my velos stamp 2 weeks ago and it’s the best can I’ve ever owned, perfect for 5.56 on an ar platform, little to no flash at all on my 5” upper. I think the velos is a 8/10 on sound suppression 10/10 on flash suppression and a 9/10 on back pressure reduction, either way the tone is amazing on it
Im really considering the velos for my 16 inch 556 MCX. Right now I got an omega 300 and the back pressure is really bad on that gun. How much better are these kind of cans for this caliber?
@@TandCEveryDay I was in the exact same boat as you, omega 300 with tons of gas to the face, after I got the velos I never used the omega on a 556 again, they have a 556, 556k, and 7.62 velos, lots of good options, I’d recommend the regular 556, much better sound reduction than the 556k
@@TandCEveryDay A big selling point for me is that with standard baffle stacks like the omega 300 you typically want to get an adjustable gas block, heavier buffer weight, and an expensive, charging handle, etc. to help manage the gas, most people have 20 guns and 2 to 3 cans, so I’d rather invest in one great can so you don’t have to modify all of your current guns or future ones, also my chamber stays cleaner longer, the brass casings don’t look nearly as dirty as with the omega. I also shoot binary and full auto so a full auto rated flow through can was a must
Yeah the Flow 556k really is ultimate low back pressure but it definitely throws it out front. Have not shot or heard a velos yet but I like shooting the Flow way better than a saker, Polonium, and most other 30 cal cans.
@@darthdavid2275I hope the VELOS is much better than the omega 300! I just dropped 1k on one today. That being shipped to my FFL. I still have to pay for the damn stamp🤬 don’t mind me asking what you paid for your 5.56 VELOS and any other feedback between the omega 300🙏🏻
Thank you for the comparison that we are all looking for. You confirmed what my FFl said about these two cans.
I finally got my hands on my Velos LBP after a five month wait, and SilencerCo announced that they're coming out with a Velos LBP 556K sometime early February so now I have to buy that too. Lol. Do you have any thoughts on it - will you be nabbing one?
It’s amazing, the Velos 5.56K in direct thread will be shorter and probably lighter weight than the Flow 5.56K. I’d like to know the decibels, but really we all use ear pro when shooting 5.56 suppressed anyway, unless it’s a defense situation. I need to let my wallet cool down for awhile before I can say if I’m getting one. My three guns here are short stroke piston with five position adjustable gas blocks and are tuned quite well to their normal baffle suppressors. I do get some gas coming back down the barrel into the magazine and should consider an ultra low back pressure suppressor. I’d go direct thread for sure to keep it short. I might buy one for my Velos to try it out and see if it’s perfect for all of them or if I should go shorter/lighter/louder with the new Velos LBP 5.56K. It’s tough having an extra silencer sitting in the safe though… maybe I need to buy another host for it lol
Awesome approval time on yours as well! I got mine in six months which still isn’t bad :)
@@RangeToyz SilencerCo released the numbers for the Velos 556K on their website a little over a week ago. Admittedly the average at-muzzle decibel reading wasn't too impressive, hovering around 150 dB, but a rep from SilencerCo told me that they measured their readings using an 11" host and that it should be a little more quiet out of a 16" barrel. Honestly this video came out at a great time because your noise comparisons here confirms just that, it seems like. I'd imagine it'd be a little quieter at the ear too, but time will tell as folks gets their hands on it to test it.
But I'm in the same boat as you though - I'm excited for the Velos 556K, but a suppressor with no host is no bueno. I'm probably just going to buy it in a couple of months and figure out the host later. By the time it gets approved, I'd have a host ready for it. Lol
But six months ain't bad at all! Glad you were able to get yours quickly! I'm praying hard my pending cans gets approved soon as I bought them around the same time. I still have four in jail. 😅
@@t.wood01 I saw The Gun Box @thegunbox81 with a binary Delton Dissipator awhile back. I like the look of a short classic rifle and I’ve never had a DI AR15, only piston guns because they’re better suppressed. The Velos 5.56K would have a good home on one with its ultra low back pressure and short length. I even have a spare Echo 2 and tuning kit. Maybe I’ll go with a Palmetto Dissipator. Great price on that gun too and no tax stamp for a change lol I’ll ponder it while I save.
@@RangeToyz I never heard of the Dissipator before but it looks like a pretty neat gun - definitely a great candidate for a Velos 556K! I've stewed on what I'd host my Velos 556K with when it comes out and I've decided to go the retro route as well - not a Dissipator though! I'm thinking of getting just a Colt M4A1 Carbine. My LGS has one with my name on it that catches my eye every time I swing by. If they still have it in a few months, I'm buying it! But for now, I need to cool off and actually shoot the guns I have - they need some lovin' and attention! 😂
My last pending suppressors got approved a couple of days ago, glory to God, so I'll be satisfied with those for the time being while I tune and shoot what I have.
If you don't have one already, the Bren 2 is a nice gun as well! I wound up buying two this year. They're very light weight short stroke piston guns that can run any length or weight of suppressor without feeling front heavy due to their pencil barrel profiles. I haven't shot either of them yet, but I'm about ready to test how they function with the Saker 556 that got approved for me - see if the aftermarket gas regulator works as well as people say online.
This was very helpful as I’m shopping for a can for my Tavor SBR. Thank you from Coburg:)
Glad to help. Cool that you sbr’d your Tavor! I have an X95 and have often thought of making it a sbr like the IDF has. Which can do you prefer? I think both are low enough back pressure to not bother left handed operators.
great video! i have the adams arms 16 and 11.5 uppers. what gas setting did you use with the velos?
@@kingofshrimp thanks! It’s been a while since I made this video. It looks like my 11.5” is at 53% right now with my Saker 5.56 and the 16” is at 72% with Griffin Recce 5, but I might not have switched it back to 53%. My guess is that I used 72% for the Velos and Flow. It’s easy enough to use your vehicle keys to push the gas selector between positions. That’s what I do.
Glad that you have Adams Arms too! My 11.5” was my first AR 15 because I knew I wanted to suppress it and pistons do better suppressed than DI. It’s sad that they’re going out of business again. I have their entire P2 collection except for the 8” 300 blackout. Wish I went into debt for it after all when I saw the last one on Optics Planets website.
How much of a sound reduction is there on the 7.5 inch barrel with the Huxwrx? Noticeable? Substantial? Hard to tell from the video. Thanks.
@@Coyotes_Locos it’s substantial! A 7.5” is obnoxious unsuppressed. This new Flow K version is better than the last OSS HX-QD 5.56 and the Flow is shorter. Thanks for your comment to let others know as well :)
Yeah that velos is awesome have you had a chance to check out the torch from lpm
I haven’t, but just looked it up on Pew Science. It looks like it’s about the same low back pressure, but even quieter at the muzzle!
Nice! Kinda sounded like the Velos was a bit quiter. How was gas blowback on the Velos?
Really no blowback at all. Seemed the same as the Flow. I don’t get any anyway with my piston uppers and normal baffle suppressors. They all have regular Radian charging handles which might help too.
@@RangeToyz which one you think was quieter and which one you like best?
@@Keep_It_Loaded the Velos was quieter and has that “pft” suppressed sound I’m used to. The ASR mount was easy to swap the can between hosts. The Flow was impressive for its length even when mounted. It spins tight when shooting and I actually had trouble getting it off once with a silicone suppressor mitt after it cooled with only those 13 rounds. Glad it’s reverse thread to the mount and I eventually broke it free and got it swapped to the next host. Almost need a strap wrench with you just in case. The Velos comes with a 1/2x28 flash hider. Price and ability to warranty go to the Velos as well. I’d get a 15x1 Velos direct thread mount if they made one to dedicate the suppressor to my V53 to make it shorter and lighter even though it’s really already pretty short. HUXWRX says their larger 7.62 15x1 mount isn’t compatible with smaller caliber suppressors, only small caliber mounts are compatible with large caliber suppressors. That means HUXWRK doesn’t have any mount for my 5.56 V53 unless I got the Flow 7.62. For me, I think the Velos wins in a landslide.
Hey man do you still have the rattler? I’d love an updated suppressor test with any new cans 30 cal cans you’ve got. Specifically trying to find out if the cat odb is any good with 300 blackout subs.
Great videos by the way.
Thanks for checking in! Hope you’re well. I’ve still got my Rattler. The CAT suppressors are catching my eye for sure! I haven’t heard them in person yet, but have seen a few RUclips videos and checked them out on Pew Science. The ODB with 300 blackout subs is close muzzle wise to the Banish 30, Socom 300 SPS and Enticer L Ti while being quieter at the ear/less back pressure by a bit. The Hyperions muzzle is a good bit quieter and just a bit quieter at the ear than the ODB. Good numbers at Pew Science to research for sure. I’ve invested in a Scythe, but won’t get it for awhile and it won’t sound as good. The illestdomer2005 has a video with the CAT ODB verses another suppressor and seems really impressed. A few light strikes, maybe from low back pressure like I had with my OSS. You might ask him. I saw his video and the one from Silencershop. There’s a couple more too out there. Let me know what you think!
@@RangeToyz I just got my rattler upper the other day. Iv never shot anything subsonic before. Only really shot 556 suppressed. Currently have a sandman s on the rattler but would like a supressor that’s more specific to 300 blackout. Will be a while before I can buy another can I try to be waiting on one at all times. Currently waiting on the flow 556k.
@@husky701rider9 right on! Dead Air would recommend the Sandman S over the Nomad that I have on my Rattler 300 blackout because of its short barrel length. It has a bit wider bore to give you just a bit less back pressure and has a tougher cerakote that will stand up to heat better than a Nomad. You can probably see the decibel difference on Pew Science. I think they are both a great mid length suppressor and sound great with subsonic ammo, even supersonic because you can’t do much with the sonic crack. I’ll see if my friend that just got his Sandman S approved will let me try it side-by-side with my Nomad hopefully in the near future and I’ll let you know what I think :)
The Velos is a pretty dang good can. I have to run my FM-15 9” on full gas to get it to lock back on an empty mag. Definitely lower backpressure and has a great tone, possibly due to the large diameter?
Volume definitely helps.The internal baffles look normal, except there’s probably a dozen or more sort of diagonal raised holes around the outside letting gas through. I think between the baffles and outer tube, there’s something more swirling the gases as well, and that the gases escape from there out the outer holes in the front cap. I bought the Velos for my V53, a .223 8.5” MP5 because it needed to be ultra low pressure. I haven’t tried it yet, but I used my Rugged Micro 30 and the Velos is lower back pressure than it. I’ll have of a video of it soon.
@@RangeToyz yeah, the design is what Jay from PewScience described as “hybrid,” and it’s interesting how close the ear and muzzle signatures approach the same level. I remember CapitolArmory making that point before the Pew data pointing out how it doesn’t mean a lot if you get a low muzzle and high ear or vice versa since they impact the overall signature.
What muzzle devices were you using? Still doing my research into suppressors trying to figure out which one I want to get
SilencerCo ASR 3 prong flash hiders with the Velos LBP. OSS/HUXWRX 5.56 muzzle brakes on the Flow K 7.5”, 11.5” and 16” and a HUXWRX 5.56 flash hider on the 24” barrel. Pew Science has shown that a Surefire flash hider is better for sound reduction and lower back pressure then the Warcomp brake.
Velos is the way to go. SiCo has a crazy turnaround time if you have issues plus that thing straight up kills the flash.
SilencerCo rules! Bulk of my collection. I got this for the latest BOGO. I’ve had warranty issues in the past, my fault, and the turnaround time was about a week from when I sent them and free!
I'm looking at getting a suppressor for my AR I'm buying, I know that I have to get a tax stamp, but can you use regular 5.56 ammo in a suppressor or do you have to use Subsonic ammo? Thanks for the help.
All 5.56 suppressors are made for supersonic ammo. They do a great job for the shooter and anyone within hearing range, but they’ll always have a sonic crack. The only subsonic ammo that I know is Atomic Tactical Subsonic Cycling ammo 112 grain. it will tumble out of a barrel though, and is recommended to not use a suppressor because you might get a baffle strike. If you could find regular 55 grain or 62 grain subsonic ammo, your semiautomatic gun would not be able to cycle it. you would have to cycle it manually, but it would sound good. These low back pressure suppressors are louder than baffle suppressors, but don’t require you to tune your gun, such as getting an adjustable gas block or using a heavier buffer like with baffle suppressors.
@@RangeToyz ok thanks for the information.
It looks like you might be over-gassed and the H3 buffer is not enough to compensate. Correct barrel gas system helps: mid-length for 14.5 and carbine length for 11.5. If barrel swap is not your thing you can consider an enhanced carrier from LMT to get a little more gas out. Good luck!
@@Joseph-f8j1f I should’ve tried tuning the five position adjustable gas blocks on the Adams Arms more before the session, but I was limited on ammo and time. Those ones are all mine and I’ve got them pretty dialed with their normal cans. They are all short stroke, piston uppers, so the bolt carriers are proprietary. Appreciate your thoughts!
@@RangeToyz Nice, didn't realize you had piston upper. I have toyed with the idea of converting over to piston on my LMT MRP.....would you do piston over again or just stick with DI?
@@Joseph-f8j1f I started out my AR15 collection with this 11.5” upper because I knew I would be suppressing it. I bought all Adams Arms P2 uppers and completes for that reason and I still hope to get the last one I don’t have, an 8” 300 blackout. I just bought a PSA Dissipator a few few months back, my first DI gun. While it does run nice, the receiver and magazine get filthy with hardly any rounds through it running suppressed. I got PSA Sabre 6.5 14.5” And seen how gassy it was, I got a Silencerco Velos 7.62 for it, but of course with high flow suppressors, you lose some sound reduction. I still prefer piston guns, and short stroke versus long stroke to save weight and not have the charging handle attached to the piston.
Flow 556K compared to a full size can?
@@keeptexasfree7361 I made this video before the full size Flow 5.56 came out. It might be quieter than the Velos LBP 5.56 and do better on flash reduction than the 556K did.
Velos for the win. I'm not sure why people praise the Hux can. It's a Gucci muzzle device, at best.
I gotta buy more cans to keep up with the new technology! I think the Velos won.
Yes! 3D printing is taking over!
@@RangeToyz I don't have any!
@@OsamaBinSmokinTV oh buddy! First my Hyperion, now the Velos. The Mojave 9 is peaking my interest now. Your collection makes me jelly though :)
I’m more curious about the loud ass noise in the background of your video. Couldn’t even watch it cause that
@@SC93-85 indoor ranges have an air system to protect people from the lead and gasses. Tune it out and focus on what is important. I’m using a quality DJI Mic 2 on my shirt for best at the ear sounds and that’s what’s real in this environment
nice!!
HUXWRX 556 TI. Superior to Velos.
@@Tap02 for lower back pressure, but titanium erodes with heat. I just saw a video of one being destroyed on consensual concepts 6.9 video after six mg mag dumps on a sbr
@@RangeToyz nonsense, they are full auto rated.
@@Tap02 check out his video
@@Tap02 The Velos Inconel core is definitely stronger then titanium
I don’t see the point in the money and wait for a 5.56 surpressor
Ear protection is nice for yourself. Suppressors are best for everyone and everything else. Signature reduction of a suppressor is good for yourself and those around you as well.
@@RangeToyz I agree! But I always wear ear protection when shooting and I use a Glock for home defense anyways. Appreciate the video!
@@AllTheDips right on :) I still always use ear pro with supersonic ammo when running suppressed except sometimes a few rounds out of my 16” with Griffin Recce 5 when sharing it with friends. Ultra low back pressure suppressors like these are louder. The 7.5” unsuppressed is obnoxious with just ear pro in lol
It's absolutely worth the money and wait. Sound reduction, flash signature reduction... and it looks cool as shit.
My first one took a bit over 11 months, but the second one took only 5.5 months.