I know everyone has different thoughts on this scene so here are mine: Well, they encourage your complete cooperation Send you roses when they think you need to smile I can't control myself because I don't know how And they love me for it, honestly, I'll be here for a while So give them blood, blood, gallons of the stuff Give them all that they can drink, and it will never be enough So give them blood, blood, blood Grab a glass because there's going to be a flood A celebrated man amongst the gurneys They can fix me proper with a bit of luck The doctors and the nurses, they adore me so But it's really quite alarming 'cause I'm such an awful fuck (oh, thank you) I gave you blood, blood, gallons of the stuff I gave you all that you can drink, and it has never been enough I gave you blood, blood, blood I'm the kind of human wreckage that you love
@@aaronbrutus2654 she said judged; not teaching them life lessons, guiding them, or being a role model/mentor. So he absolutely had NO room to judge them literal children while being a grown adult hiding a love child.
Why would she leave ? Frank never actually did nothing to her. He didn’t cheat on her, he wasn’t abusive to her. He was a great dude and a great dad. He just kept a secret I don’t see how that effects him and dee relationship. Yea that’s hard to hear if I’m her yea she can be mad but ain’t no reason to leave
@gballcarter1433 u mean not telling him about a whole other child he had? I mean now their trust is lost...she can become paranoid because if u can lie about a child what else are u lying about. this is a perfect reason for divorce
Miss Sheryl laid her soul on that set. It was like she put her frustration into the scene, like she knew the show would never be the same. And it wasn’t. Her performance here pulls my heartstrings every time.
Fun fact: that’s exactly what she did. She said she was so angry and frustrated that they were turning him into a deadbeat father and destroying a black man’s image.. she was pissed and knew the show was about to end.
@@Jahn_Pah_Jonz Right but it was Mr. Young who portrayed Frank who said that the ones behind the cameras started crying during the filming of this episode and when he and Ms. Ralph tried to tell the producers that this wasn't a good idea for the show I guess you could say they wouldn't listen.
@mekasims1981 relax it is a show. Sometimes, our parents don't deserve respect. We around the same age but very different. I know growing you're suppose to blindly respect our parents but I definitely don't operate that way. Respect is earned and a reciprocal process.
@@downbad2874he didn't have to be so hard on her considering he lied and kept secrets from majority of his family. He got on Moesha about being sexually active(when she wasn't), called her a tramp for a tattoo/piercing. And yet he had a whole child out of wedlock, not even telling said child who grew up states away, acted like some pinnacle of morality. Yes this is due to the writers straight up trashing Frank's character, and the show overall. But it would've been very different if Frank was established as a man with deep flaws and tried to own them- as well as hoping his children would do better, rather than being a hypocrite and overly critical when he didn't need to be.
@@downbad2874 obviously he’s the parent DUMBASSS but calling yo daughter a tramp and being hard on her no REASON is shitty i’m sick of y’all defending this horrible father 😂😂😂😂
@@downbad2874 Sure he made a huge mistake not telling Dee, or kids about it, but it shouldn't stop him to continue being a parent in righting wrong, I agree
@@joebayo6299 Then maybe he shouldn't have been so high and mighty when it came to teaching his children how to do the right things in life. He cheated on Moesha's mother and then had the nerve to be offended when she told him to shutup out of justifiable anger. As a parent you have to practice what you preach.
@@RickHTownRealistically where's the lie? They could have gone down the more traditional route and exposed Frank's side children at his funeral 🤷🏿♀️.
@swizzy215 She has every right to be upset - she could've rolled her eyes at him or walked away. But telling him to shut up is still not acceptable. Plus, Dee was offended too by Moesha's outburst, because grown folks DON'T PLAY THAT 😄
Thank God my mom was perfect and never made any mistakes and never kept anything from her past from us. Idk if I could respect her or ever trust her again if she did. 😇
@@PintheDog the actress who portrayed Aunt Hattie in this episode where she revealed that Frank is Dorian's real dad unfortunately she passed away before my 34th birthday last year.
@Martonyo McHale: I agree to the power of INFINITY ♾️ that Frank Dirty Balls Mitchell was the damn problem in the whole series. When it comes to Moesha, watch what the hell you say. The stuff she did can be cleared up and cleaned up in a day or so. What Frank Dirty Balls Mitchell did was so Faaaaaaarrrr bad, that hypocrite couldn't tell the truth to keep his story cleaned. What a hypocrite, idiot and ass of Alcatraz.
They never can when it’s a black family. Look how they did on Good Times. The father couldn’t never catch a break for his family and when he does he dies. That is the typical way they betray black men on tv. No real true success or happiness. It’s always overshadowed by something.
@@MrzSB73 And even that was over a contract dispute. They killed him off...not even like temporarily moved him out or something so that he could come back, maybe.
And that, mi amigos, was the beginning of the end of 'Moesha' as we knew it. This aired during my senior year (1999-2000). We were all watching it. Everybody in my living room erupted. Sh!t was crazy 😆😆😆 I don't remember watching anymore episodes for the rest of the series after that 🤣
This storyline is why Sheryl Lee Ralph left the show. She felt so little shows and films showed black American families in a positive light to have Frank out of the blue father a child in adulterous relationship was character assassination. She was especially apologetic because no one behind the scenes could explain why they were doing it creatively beyond shock value. personally, I thought it showed the hypocrisy of Frank and added an interesting tension between him and Moesha.
Which is crazy because if anything every black sitcom dad in the 90s was literally portrayed as Perfection. Having a character not be a Sitcom Trope for once was realistic; sometimes people in your family are shitty 👍🏽
Frank was by far one of the worst examples of a good father compared to the other 80s/90s counterparts. He was already waving my red flags prior to this incident.
I finished binge watching the entire series, and this episode destroyed everything. I am not a Frank fan at all, but this entire storyline came out of NO WHERE. It felt like they were just throwing anything at the wall after they graduated and the last 2 seasons were just an up and down hill of “what is going on”.
This scene is proof that WRITING killed Moesha, not Ray J. WRITING. The writers were running out of ideas and wanted to "spice things up," so they ruined Frank's character. There are a million things they could've done instead, like bring back uncle Bernie, have Hakeem reunite with his estranged father, hell, bring a relative on Moesha's mom side. ANYTHING would've been better than this.
No it was Brandy mom n brandy pushing for ray j to b a regular cast member that killed the show!! Ray j had already played two other characters on the show before even playing Dorian they were the problem
@@feliciasmith-hv2kj I've heard that too. I believe the mom was doing that because Ray J was in a gang and she wanted to keep him out of trouble. I'm not a fan of Ray J, but him being Dorian Moesha's troubled cousin, was fine. They didn't need to make him a secret son. Alot of people don't want to admit it, but the writing went downhill once Kim and Andell went over to the Parker's; which isn't surprising considering most shows should end once the protagonist goes to high school. Regardless, we shouldn't put blame on the actors. They're just trying to work with what they have. It's the writers job to make believable storylines.
@@retrofan93 Nah. The seasons where Moesha went to high school were the best. Honestly, most shows don't always depict college well. The only that do IMO are Sister Sister and Boy Meets World.
To be fair now that I’m older Frank really wasn’t the BEST dad like everyone thought he was. He said out of pocket shit all the time but when this all blew up in his face he had no way to deflect it.
This episode is when Moesha started going downhill. If they had let Dorian stayed being Frank's nephew, l believe the show would have lasted longer. It probably would have gotten another 2 or 3 more seasons.
I agree he could’ve just been that troublesome nephew because I remember at the end of this season they sent Dorian to boot camp. That would’ve been a great way to eventually write him out of season 6 and the show could remain focusing on Moesha . The show became less about her and more about Dorian
I will never understand why Dorian had to be Frank’s child-as-a-result-of-an-affair. Why not just make him a nephew or even a cousin? Because one thing about Black families is that we are more extended than nuclear.
I hear it's because Brandy and Ray J's mother wanted him to be on the school as a main (he played some kid named Charles before). So listen up dude, cause he's after YOU
The Cosby Show did that when they introduced actress Erika Alexander character Pam. She was Claire's cousin. They should have done the same thing with Dorian.
This episode was a big deal. I remember when it first aired; I was in the seventh grade at the time. Everything changed after that. The show wasn’t the same, and I wasn’t tuning in to watch every episode after that. I didn’t know that the cast told the producers not to move forward with this idea until years later.
Plus his character Dorian was always getting into trouble all the while it was like in Frank's eyes Myles could do no damage and Moesha was trying to grow up too fast.
That would have been more messed up. Having the show end with such a big shocking secret and no closure. This whole story line was a mess and never should have been written.
@@notthefather3919 Well, given what a Miles would have been taught up to that point, he would have assumed his father, whom he'd been brought up to think was otherwise responsible, would have been married to the other woman to have had sex with the other woman, first of all. So, not premarital sex, let alone cheating. You think he would understand the concept yet unless exposed to that prior? But secondly, it happened before he was born, so why would he know how things transpired? He's a kid.
This man basically told his wife “ I promised my sister I wouldn't tell anyone that she adopted my son from me “ 😂😂😂🤡. Bro that was a TERRIBLE response to a question from your wife 😂😂
I know Frank's sister didn't mean to say it but sometimes the truth have to come out you can't just hide that forever you have to just be honest with your family he should have been honest with his family his wife and for his kids
@@selenaphillips6971 That's not a good idea to tell a child the truth when they turn 18. Parents should be honest with their children from the day they are BORN!!!
No not really. What exactly changed for everyone except Dorian? Appearances? Their perception of Frank? There was no real damage done to their lives except for Dorian
@@KevinPayton-fq8gd Myles kinda understood, but knows Frank isn't true bad person. Same with Hakeem. Those are the saving of this episode, that they didn't beat him while he's down.
“Dorian, this is not how I wanted you to find out…i would’ve preferred to never have dealt with this at all until loud mouth ass Hattie blew up my spot.”
I loved Moesha but Frank RUINED it for me. Moesha's screaming and crying and tell her father and he says "who do you think youre talking to". LIKE SHUT UP MANNNN
@@anseldiaz1968 I think because it tore down the image of Frank as being a stern responsible family man with values and reduced him to the same stereotype Hollywood shows have often depicted of black men as cheaters and having babies out of wedlock. Sheryl Lee Ralph was furious the writers did this.
When she said what about Sharen, what about Karen…I’m like oh he a playa from the himalaya…then she said what about trust, I’m like who would name they daughter..Ohhh she meant sharing, and caring ooopss😂 LMAO
Seriously not telling the kids is one thing but not telling dee? I mean he married her she accepted his kids even put her child rearing plans on hold and he didn't have the decency to tell her
To say, she thought Frank revealed to Dorian of his true family identity, but she should've asked if Frank did so, before being a smelly blabbering mouth LMAO.
This is where the show went down hill . Frank was a complete hypocrite . He blames Mo for everything . Yet he fathered Dorian . Yeah he’s a piece of work . This made me lose all respect for Frank . I felt bad for Myles here cause he don’t understand and he’s naive to what’s going on . 1:45-2:08 all Those times Frank got on Mo accusing her of stuff she finally turned the tables and he couldn’t take it . Karma always has a way of coming back to bite you .
Nah Myles understood he was just being supportive that's still his dad..Hakeem as well.Alot of angry Frank comments on here lol for good reason but regardless of this storyline and his flaws throughout the show.A positive we saw from Frank was he always stepped in for Hakeem as a role model/father figure and with Myles they always bonded positively throughout the show.Frank overreacted alot with Moesha but if you noticed in season 1 he was way less strict with her.Then Q came in the picture season 2,Moesha started missing classes,grades dropped,skipping curfew ,bailed Q out of jail with Frank's credit and tried to hide it lol Moesha definitely had her faults
This scene brings up so many emotions for me personally especially now knowing what I didn’t know what was going on in my own life when i use to watch this show . It hits deep
So the orginal producers went to the Parkers...90s moesha and 00s moesha are two different shows given the fact that the producers left in 1999 with Countess. Many Parkers fans are season 1 - 4 Moesha fans.
It did recover, you just ignored the episodes why Frank kept Dorian a secret and the history between him, Margurite and Barbara. Plus, other sitcoms done this and still went on
@@RapFanatic4ever I guess the past seasons weren't dramatic, like Myles smoking weed, Mo sneaking off to TIjuana, Hakeem finding out his cousin is LGBTQA etc.
Frank called Moesha a sl*t for a tattoo but wants respect after this scene. Frank should’ve got slapped and idc 🤷🏽♀️ he talked all high and mighty for the majority of seasons but had the nerve to say he made a mistake sir please go to hell 😂😂😂
I like how frank told moesha "who do you think you're talking to??" Despite the situation at hand, his tone and authority side as a father kicked in real quick lol 😂
After this BOMBSHELL this show was NEVER the same & NOT in a good way!! When the higher ups decided to KILL James off on “Good Times” (just because he VOICED his concerns) the show went downhill quick and was NEVER the same afterwards!!
When a show gets “stale”, executives think of a way to get audiences invested again. It’s like a last second hail mary that got picked off at the goal line.
@@olegunnarsolskjaer337 Exactly, people out here screaming OMG THIS KILLED THE SHOW, SHOW ISN'T THE SAME, even though I heard the Mitchells never wanted this storyline
And a year later, when Frank reveals the truth, how do you think everyone will feel. They did say that they were going to tell him the truth when Darion turned 18.
Y'know, I don't think I hate this plotline as much as everyone else does and while Frank is definitely not one of my favorite characters, I can't demonize him because of his situation with Dorian. He cared for his son regardless, even when he wasn't within reach and I think that that is commendable.
My question was why the audience was all quiet. They usually have shocking moments from their sounds and noises but this one was them being all quiet. Were they told to be quiet. Cuz this was the most shocking moment in the show. I always wondered why they didn't ooooh or ahhhh. Weird.
A lot of shows had audience tracks, so the laughs and oohs and awws weren’t real. Even when there were live audiences they were told when to laugh and do things a lot.
And THIS episode was the DOWNFALL for “MOESHA” sitcom because sherylLee Ralph said, after this episode, she didn’t feel that the show would be the same & she wanted out!
I know everyone has different thoughts on this scene so here are mine:
Well, they encourage your complete cooperation
Send you roses when they think you need to smile
I can't control myself because I don't know how
And they love me for it, honestly, I'll be here for a while
So give them blood, blood, gallons of the stuff
Give them all that they can drink, and it will never be enough
So give them blood, blood, blood
Grab a glass because there's going to be a flood
A celebrated man amongst the gurneys
They can fix me proper with a bit of luck
The doctors and the nurses, they adore me so
But it's really quite alarming 'cause I'm such an awful fuck (oh, thank you)
I gave you blood, blood, gallons of the stuff
I gave you all that you can drink, and it has never been enough
I gave you blood, blood, blood
I'm the kind of human wreckage that you love
We were all in such shock and disbelief. We needed Myles to soften the blow by asking that funny question 😂
U8😊 CT
I just LOVE how Aunt Hattie came and dropped a major life changing bomb on the family and then hauls azz to a hotel😂😂😂😂😂
yeah she was like "I already caused enough trouble so I'm out."
@@1talldaddyIt's always that one relative that opens their big mouth
I would’ve I wouldn’t feel comfortable staying there after seeing all the damages I’ve caused because of my big mouth
She ain’t wanna get her ass whooped remember hood moesha from the alternative universe
Exactly she talks too much
The way Frank judged his children meanwhile he had a whole secret love child!!!!!
He's their father. His sins doesn't mean he's not supposed to do his job .
@@aaronbrutus2654 she said judged; not teaching them life lessons, guiding them, or being a role model/mentor. So he absolutely had NO room to judge them literal children while being a grown adult hiding a love child.
The writers ruined Frank's character.
@@niamay8558 How do you discipline without judging? I swear sometimes y'all say stuff just to say it.
@@josephclegg3562 Look. I knew there wasn't anything right about Frank Dirty Balls Mitchell.
Dee is a saint because this was HER WAY OUT and she still stayed in that crazy ass judgmental family.
yeah after dealing with all that disrespect from Moesha and now a secret child she should left that day,
Why would she leave ? Frank never actually did nothing to her. He didn’t cheat on her, he wasn’t abusive to her. He was a great dude and a great dad. He just kept a secret I don’t see how that effects him and dee relationship. Yea that’s hard to hear if I’m her yea she can be mad but ain’t no reason to leave
@gballcarter1433 u mean not telling him about a whole other child he had? I mean now their trust is lost...she can become paranoid because if u can lie about a child what else are u lying about. this is a perfect reason for divorce
Dee created that judge mental family frank was cool at first then she made frank strict
She did leave though, eventually 🤣🤣🤣
Miss Sheryl laid her soul on that set. It was like she put her frustration into the scene, like she knew the show would never be the same. And it wasn’t. Her performance here pulls my heartstrings every time.
Fun fact: that’s exactly what she did. She said she was so angry and frustrated that they were turning him into a deadbeat father and destroying a black man’s image.. she was pissed and knew the show was about to end.
@@yoshuaclaybrook4232 😱That makes it even more powerful for me
I don't know whether it was a ploy to raise the ratings but it was not a good idea and I am with Miss Sheryl on this one
It actually makes me cry. She said the production crew were also in tears.
@@Jahn_Pah_Jonz Right but it was Mr. Young who portrayed Frank who said that the ones behind the cameras started crying during the filming of this episode and when he and Ms. Ralph tried to tell the producers that this wasn't a good idea for the show I guess you could say they wouldn't listen.
When moesha said shut up and he tried to pull the who you think you talkin to line, I was like bruh don’t even try to parent anyone right now
Still respect yo parents 💯
@mekasims1981 relax it is a show. Sometimes, our parents don't deserve respect. We around the same age but very different. I know growing you're suppose to blindly respect our parents but I definitely don't operate that way. Respect is earned and a reciprocal process.
@@hydrangeas_loverit maybe a show but it does happen in real life
@@mekasims1981girl bye 🙄
@@raecoleman-wf2cp u better be glad they keep deleting my stuff🤬
"JUST SHUT UP!!!!" Brandy, I felt that. She was ACTING. 🖤👑
*Don't TOUCH me*
It was EVERYTHING
Who you think you talking to? I don't know.😂😂😂😂😂
She suppose to got her a$$ whooped on gawd
"You cheated on my mother"
"You cheated on mom"
These writers really brought in a whole new character just to drop a bombshell and dip. 😂
😂😂😂
I need your help ...... miles been kidnapped ....... The End
And it actually killed the show. The moment Ray J joined Moesha the show just went downhill from there.
@@motottun3236damn lol
@@motottun3236I disagree I loved ray j on here I wished he did more roles like this he was funny as hell
The way frank judged his children meanwhile he had a whole secret love child!!!!!!
it happens
He the parent tf y’all talking about your parents job isn’t to let u do watever and not tell u how slow your being the mistakes your making etc
@@downbad2874he didn't have to be so hard on her considering he lied and kept secrets from majority of his family. He got on Moesha about being sexually active(when she wasn't), called her a tramp for a tattoo/piercing. And yet he had a whole child out of wedlock, not even telling said child who grew up states away, acted like some pinnacle of morality. Yes this is due to the writers straight up trashing Frank's character, and the show overall. But it would've been very different if Frank was established as a man with deep flaws and tried to own them- as well as hoping his children would do better, rather than being a hypocrite and overly critical when he didn't need to be.
@@downbad2874 obviously he’s the parent DUMBASSS but calling yo daughter a tramp and being hard on her no REASON is shitty i’m sick of y’all defending this horrible father 😂😂😂😂
@@downbad2874 Sure he made a huge mistake not telling Dee, or kids about it, but it shouldn't stop him to continue being a parent in righting wrong, I agree
The way Frank judged everyone around him for us to find this out was top tier projection and made him easily the worst sitcom father of all time
He did that because he was masking his own toxicity/secrets
It’s called learning from his mistakes
Naw AL bundy was the absolute worst father ever
@@joebayo6299 Then maybe he shouldn't have been so high and mighty when it came to teaching his children how to do the right things in life. He cheated on Moesha's mother and then had the nerve to be offended when she told him to shutup out of justifiable anger. As a parent you have to practice what you preach.
@@westrepbundy never cheated an kept his on vibe
The way they went completely left with this storyline still haunts me to this day 😩😂
That’s the visual Hollywood has for black families
Soon after this episode the show was NO MORE
@@RickHTownRealistically where's the lie? They could have gone down the more traditional route and exposed Frank's side children at his funeral 🤷🏿♀️.
@@db6881 Or they could’ve kept Frank as a positive figure. This would’ve NEVER happened with Uncle Phil in Fresh Price of Bel Air
@@RickHTown Ah well it is what it is. There's always going to be Uncle Phil and like it or not Cliff Huxtable, Flex Washington.
@@RickHTownRight...they called Ben Vereen to play Will's "Dad'
He didn't even tell Dee . She should have been the first to be told about it .
I agree . Like at least have the common decency to tell your wife
@@RapFanatic4ever especially when he about to come and live there.
Frank was more than just a fool.
His son definitely should’ve been the first to known
@@1talldaddy should've told Dee this before or a lil after they got married
Frank is one of those preachers who judges you for not coming to church, while also sleeping with his Deacons wife on the DL.
So 76% of preachers then
@coreydx8602 That's a good one. Couldn't have said better myself.
Lol
.....or the choir director 😏
Lord have mercy🫢
Frank really tried to do the “who you think you talking to?” Shit on moe like he has the right to be mad in this situation 💀😭😂
I don't care what he did -- a child doesn't tell their parent to "shut up". Moesha been out of pocket quite a few times and this time is no different.
@@AquaBoogie1973he cheated on her mother. My child can snap on me in that moment. That’s not a small offense
@@AquaBoogie1973this time is very different, he lied to the whole family and cheated on their dead mama. He shouldve been cussed out
@swizzy215 She has every right to be upset - she could've rolled her eyes at him or walked away. But telling him to shut up is still not acceptable. Plus, Dee was offended too by Moesha's outburst, because grown folks DON'T PLAY THAT 😄
Even though Frank was a piece of shit he's still her father. Respect.
It brings the lyrics 'Wait a minute, aint that Brandy's brother?' a whole new meaning...
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
And then Frank acted holier-than-thou when it came to disciplining Moesha, but he had his own skeletons…
I know
Because he didn’t want those things for his own child! DUH!!!????
@@MrsOrtiz-m9yYeha but he was still a hypocrite. Two things can exist at the same time. Uh DUUUUH
@@yendaaaaThat part! Some of these parents don't know the meaning of Lead by example. In the real world, Frank would've lost his family
Thank God my mom was perfect and never made any mistakes and never kept anything from her past from us. Idk if I could respect her or ever trust her again if she did. 😇
IMO this is where the show fell from grace. This is like Will finding out Uncle Phil is really his father. Smh
The writers were on crack fr
@@squiddytentacles2.5
Yes lol
😂 😂 😂
@@squiddytentacles2.5they ruined the perfect an ideal black television family an a great show
i think they were just tryna keep ray j in the show by any means necessary so they did this dumb shi 😭
The cast told the producers not to do this to Frank's character,but they did it anyway. That's when the show went down hill from their.
Yeah I was so mad about this .
Why? What was about this chapter that made you stop watching it? I don't understand
@@anseldiaz1968 It’s a bad stereotype
@@jennifergreen-butler1461 it is
Facts and they didn't give Dee a child
Rest in angelic peace, Ms. Dowse you will be fondly missed.
I didn't know that she passed away.
@@EdwinLopez-yx6xf yeah unfortunately she gained her halo and wings before my 34th birthday last year.
And The principal of West Beverly High 90210
Who is "Ms. Dowse?"
@@PintheDog the actress who portrayed Aunt Hattie in this episode where she revealed that Frank is Dorian's real dad unfortunately she passed away before my 34th birthday last year.
Frank was the problem this whole series. We know where Moesha gets it from.
Frank was such a bad character, such a hypocrite, and really, never faced any consequences to the treatment of his family.
@@marywilcox3102 You got that RIGHT ON!! 👍
@@wonderwoman5732 That's how I roll. 👊
@Martonyo McHale: I agree to the power of INFINITY ♾️ that Frank Dirty Balls Mitchell was the damn problem in the whole series. When it comes to Moesha, watch what the hell you say. The stuff she did can be cleared up and cleaned up in a day or so. What Frank Dirty Balls Mitchell did was so Faaaaaaarrrr bad, that hypocrite couldn't tell the truth to keep his story cleaned. What a hypocrite, idiot and ass of Alcatraz.
this is why the show really get cancelled because of this episode
This was Moesha's jump the shark moment.
I was looking for this. Lol. Yep.
Couldn't let Frank just be a good man
That’s Hollywood for you.
They never can when it’s a black family. Look how they did on Good Times. The father couldn’t never catch a break for his family and when he does he dies. That is the typical way they betray black men on tv. No real true success or happiness. It’s always overshadowed by something.
@@MrzSB73 And even that was over a contract dispute. They killed him off...not even like temporarily moved him out or something so that he could come back, maybe.
Frank was kind if a dick honestly
@@MrzSB73 that’s the way Hollywood wants you to see things
And that, mi amigos, was the beginning of the end of 'Moesha' as we knew it. This aired during my senior year (1999-2000). We were all watching it. Everybody in my living room erupted. Sh!t was crazy 😆😆😆 I don't remember watching anymore episodes for the rest of the series after that 🤣
Why? What was about this chapter that made you stop watching it? I don't understand
The show really wasn't bad after this
But the ending was kind of sloppy
I was 12 when I saw this. I was in shock!
Did you watch Dragon Ball Z on Toonami earlier that day
@@anseldiaz1968 cause then his skeletons came out
This storyline is why Sheryl Lee Ralph left the show. She felt so little shows and films showed black American families in a positive light to have Frank out of the blue father a child in adulterous relationship was character assassination. She was especially apologetic because no one behind the scenes could explain why they were doing it creatively beyond shock value. personally, I thought it showed the hypocrisy of Frank and added an interesting tension between him and Moesha.
I think it shows a lot of parent child relationships in a real way
Black American men are cowards who loves pigskins more than black people
Which is crazy because if anything every black sitcom dad in the 90s was literally portrayed as Perfection. Having a character not be a Sitcom Trope for once was realistic; sometimes people in your family are shitty 👍🏽
Frank was by far one of the worst examples of a good father compared to the other 80s/90s counterparts. He was already waving my red flags prior to this incident.
I finished binge watching the entire series, and this episode destroyed everything. I am not a Frank fan at all, but this entire storyline came out of NO WHERE. It felt like they were just throwing anything at the wall after they graduated and the last 2 seasons were just an up and down hill of “what is going on”.
After this episode, things would never be the same. I would love to have seen the reactions of everyone who watched this when it first aired.
This scene is proof that WRITING killed Moesha, not Ray J. WRITING. The writers were running out of ideas and wanted to "spice things up," so they ruined Frank's character. There are a million things they could've done instead, like bring back uncle Bernie, have Hakeem reunite with his estranged father, hell, bring a relative on Moesha's mom side. ANYTHING would've been better than this.
No it was Brandy mom n brandy pushing for ray j to b a regular cast member that killed the show!! Ray j had already played two other characters on the show before even playing Dorian they were the problem
@@feliciasmith-hv2kj I've heard that too. I believe the mom was doing that because Ray J was in a gang and she wanted to keep him out of trouble. I'm not a fan of Ray J, but him being Dorian Moesha's troubled cousin, was fine. They didn't need to make him a secret son. Alot of people don't want to admit it, but the writing went downhill once Kim and Andell went over to the Parker's; which isn't surprising considering most shows should end once the protagonist goes to high school. Regardless, we shouldn't put blame on the actors. They're just trying to work with what they have. It's the writers job to make believable storylines.
@@rachelmartin5187Don't you mean when the protagonist goes to college?
@@retrofan93 Nah. The seasons where Moesha went to high school were the best. Honestly, most shows don't always depict college well. The only that do IMO are Sister Sister and Boy Meets World.
@@rachelmartin5187 Even if it was her mom's fault, the writers did not have to do this to him.
To be fair now that I’m older Frank really wasn’t the BEST dad like everyone thought he was. He said out of pocket shit all the time but when this all blew up in his face he had no way to deflect it.
I always thought he was full of it
@@RapFanatic4ever And they say this season "ruined" his perfection, when he wasn't the best to begin with.
@@RapFanatic4ever Thank you. I agree to the power of INFINITY!!
That's how when secrets can come out by hiding secrets can cuz allot of hurt feelings when Dorian found out he has been lied to over his 17years
Miles was trying to put that shit together 😂😂
Sheryl Lee Ralph is a great actress...
and deserving of all the accolades she's been receiving this
TV awards season.
/bklyn 👑
This episode is when Moesha started going downhill. If they had let Dorian stayed being Frank's nephew, l believe the show would have lasted longer. It probably would have gotten another 2 or 3 more seasons.
I agree he could’ve just been that troublesome nephew because I remember at the end of this season they sent Dorian to boot camp. That would’ve been a great way to eventually write him out of season 6 and the show could remain focusing on Moesha . The show became less about her and more about Dorian
Ugh..I hate that they did that. Brandy helping Ray j so he can get a check.
@@ericadarden9261More like their mother intervening to get her son a check.
@@ericadarden9261Nepotism at its finest
When Kim left the last two seasons went downhill creatively
I will never understand why Dorian had to be Frank’s child-as-a-result-of-an-affair. Why not just make him a nephew or even a cousin? Because one thing about Black families is that we are more extended than nuclear.
I hear it's because Brandy and Ray J's mother wanted him to be on the school as a main (he played some kid named Charles before). So listen up dude, cause he's after YOU
@@SantaClaws44044 no one is after me.
@@SantaClaws44044
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The Cosby Show did that when they introduced actress Erika Alexander character Pam. She was Claire's cousin. They should have done the same thing with Dorian.
@@selenaphillips6971cousin Pam
This episode was a big deal. I remember when it first aired; I was in the seventh grade at the time. Everything changed after that. The show wasn’t the same, and I wasn’t tuning in to watch every episode after that. I didn’t know that the cast told the producers not to move forward with this idea until years later.
Did you see the new Double Dare 2000 that aired on Nick at 5:00PM eastern time that day
@@SantaClaws44044 nah, I didn’t see that. Was it significant to this episode?
@OpurumD No, it was just a random question
@@SantaClaws44044 oh okay lol
@@SantaClaws44044😂
Brandys mom wanted Ray J on the show so bad they ruined the show 😂😂😂
Looool
😂😂😂
🤣🤣 a disaster
Right, bad Actor, bad singer... should have just let him get a 9-5
Just terrible! 😆
They should have not let Ray J on the show as the son. The show went down after this.😢
Yes Ray J was annoying
@@michelleclark7031 yes he was and still is😅😅😅
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yep!
Plus his character Dorian was always getting into trouble all the while it was like in Frank's eyes Myles could do no damage and Moesha was trying to grow up too fast.
This was a plot twist that no one asked for or needed. Seasons 1-4 though were 🔥🔥🔥
Angela from “WHY DID I GET MARRIED?” would have had Frank under the house 😂 saying “I’LL DRINK TO THAT”
😂😂 I almost spit out my drink
This should've been the series finale, period
That would have been more messed up. Having the show end with such a big shocking secret and no closure. This whole story line was a mess and never should have been written.
Oh dad didn't go buy milk,he pretended to be my uncle so he wouldn't pay child support 😃
That's a good idea! 🙂👍
What ?
I'm screaming!
help 😂
Why did the audience laugh when Miles asked if he was married to Sandy? A legitimate question for a child his age…
I don’t get it either
Because Dorian is younger than Moesha and older than him and he was married to their mother the entire time.
It was a silly question.
Their laughing at him being naive to the situation....... We all get laughed at by our elders at certain times.
Sounds like a laugh track though lol
@@notthefather3919 Well, given what a Miles would have been taught up to that point, he would have assumed his father, whom he'd been brought up to think was otherwise responsible, would have been married to the other woman to have had sex with the other woman, first of all. So, not premarital sex, let alone cheating. You think he would understand the concept yet unless exposed to that prior? But secondly, it happened before he was born, so why would he know how things transpired? He's a kid.
This man basically told his wife “ I promised my sister I wouldn't tell anyone that she adopted my son from me “ 😂😂😂🤡. Bro that was a TERRIBLE response to a question from your wife 😂😂
They ruined Moesha just so they could give Brandy's bum brother an acting gig. There was no need for his character at all.
0:25 she gon try and switch it up like MA’AM its too late you already ran your big mouth 😂😂😂
I was trying to look for the scene where Mo screamed shut up at her father. Finally found it.
Disappointed that this was Aunt Hattie's only appearance. She should've been there in the next episode to get ripped into by Dorian's adoptive mother.
Surprised Hattie never appeared again
This was so UNNECESSARY, they could’ve worked Dorian as being adopted.
What sense would that make? Dorian being adopted doesn’t add drama.
Rest in peace Denise Dowse
I know Frank's sister didn't mean to say it but sometimes the truth have to come out you can't just hide that forever you have to just be honest with your family he should have been honest with his family his wife and for his kids
Frank was planning to tell the truth to Dorian and the family when he turned 18. Like that was going to make everything better.
@@selenaphillips6971 That's not a good idea to tell a child the truth when they turn 18. Parents should be honest with their children from the day they are BORN!!!
Exactly, a child doesn't have to be 18 to know who their parents are.
This moment killed the show.
It really did
@mrgregorydscottYou’re absolutely right! The show took on a serious tone that just wasn’t true to its nature.
@Deonce1971 Wdym? Moesha has always been dramatic since the first season, this went even more dramatic
U know what, everybody in that house has every right to get upset
Yep
Except Myles. He was happy that he had an older brother but of course he didn't understand the situation.
No not really. What exactly changed for everyone except Dorian? Appearances? Their perception of Frank? There was no real damage done to their lives except for Dorian
@@KevinPayton-fq8gd Myles kinda understood, but knows Frank isn't true bad person. Same with Hakeem. Those are the saving of this episode, that they didn't beat him while he's down.
@@taylorsanada3180 Moesha knows that too. She's just angry that Frank stepped outside the marriage.
This making me tear up
Me too 😭😭😭😭😭😭
“Dorian, this is not how I wanted you to find out…i would’ve preferred to never have dealt with this at all until loud mouth ass Hattie blew up my spot.”
Frank should of told Dee at a minimum. As his wife, I would of questioned what other secrets he was hiding.
Yeah, if his original wife, Margurite, knew, he should've told her at least and kept it a secret till it's time.
@@taylorsanada3180 His late wife knew, she threatened to leave him. Can't blame her.
this
In real life dee would've filed for divorce who the fuck gunna stay with a man who lied about his nephew being his son .
I definitely would've divorced Frank.
@@CSS-Tails_Forever You know that's right.
facts
Dorian, I AM YOUR FATHER. Star Wars😂
I loved Moesha but Frank RUINED it for me. Moesha's screaming and crying and tell her father and he says "who do you think youre talking to". LIKE SHUT UP MANNNN
😂😂😂😂😂
Why? What was about this chapter that made you stop watching it? I don't understand can you explain?
2:06 Shut up!
@@anseldiaz1968stop asking this when everyone is telling you why😂
Fr though the nerve of this man
And this was the episode that ruined the series🙄
This and when Kim left.
@@anthonyshepherd265 when Kim left that’s when the show got borrring
The show lost its spark when Kim left
Why this episode ended it? I don't understand
@@anseldiaz1968 I think because it tore down the image of Frank as being a stern responsible family man with values and reduced him to the same stereotype Hollywood shows have often depicted of black men as cheaters and having babies out of wedlock. Sheryl Lee Ralph was furious the writers did this.
When she said what about Sharen, what about Karen…I’m like oh he a playa from the himalaya…then she said what about trust, I’m like who would name they daughter..Ohhh she meant sharing, and caring ooopss😂 LMAO
Frank is wild for this one 😂
Dorian did not know that Frank is his father after Dorian calls him Uncle Frank
Seriously not telling the kids is one thing but not telling dee? I mean he married her she accepted his kids even put her child rearing plans on hold and he didn't have the decency to tell her
I remember this episode of moesha
It’s quite iconic
@@SantaClaws44044 yeah and I remember watching this on the n as a kid I wasn't a huge fan of the show but i thought it was ok
They refused to let a positive black man in a show stay TOO clean.... oh well🤷🏾♂️
I know, right? What 🐂 💩
Seems like Frank wasn't so frank with his family.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😭
😂😂😂😂
Quite frankly!
WoW!! 😮this ws some good acting right here!! Hats off to entire cast even blabbering mouth auntie 😂
To say, she thought Frank revealed to Dorian of his true family identity, but she should've asked if Frank did so, before being a smelly blabbering mouth LMAO.
This is where the show went down hill . Frank was a complete hypocrite . He blames Mo for everything . Yet he fathered Dorian . Yeah he’s a piece of work . This made me lose all respect for Frank . I felt bad for Myles here cause he don’t understand and he’s naive to what’s going on . 1:45-2:08 all Those times Frank got on Mo accusing her of stuff she finally turned the tables and he couldn’t take it . Karma always has a way of coming back to bite you .
Just like Tommy Two Face
Nah Myles understood he was just being supportive that's still his dad..Hakeem as well.Alot of angry Frank comments on here lol for good reason but regardless of this storyline and his flaws throughout the show.A positive we saw from Frank was he always stepped in for Hakeem as a role model/father figure and with Myles they always bonded positively throughout the show.Frank overreacted alot with Moesha but if you noticed in season 1 he was way less strict with her.Then Q came in the picture season 2,Moesha started missing classes,grades dropped,skipping curfew ,bailed Q out of jail with Frank's credit and tried to hide it lol Moesha definitely had her faults
@@brandonbates9587 I’m glad she turned the tables on Frank . He deserved it for the way he treated her
@@RapFanatic4ever Seems like you haven't read brandonbates9587 thoroughly and carefully.
This scene brings up so many emotions for me personally especially now knowing what I didn’t know what was going on in my own life when i use to watch this show . It hits deep
So the orginal producers went to the Parkers...90s moesha and 00s moesha are two different shows given the fact that the producers left in 1999 with Countess. Many Parkers fans are season 1 - 4 Moesha fans.
Frank had hella Haitian dad energy. 🤣😩😔🥴
This episode was CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYY😂😂😂 I remember when it first aired. This had everyone shocked!!!
I don't even know why they did this
They jumped the shark like a mf Ray J and Mel Jackson are signs when a show is about to dip out.
yep!
The way he had the nerve to be upset moesha told him to shut up like bruh you’re lucky that’s all that was said
Moesha was right, but Frank still her father
@@taylorsanada3180 and moesha’s mother was still his wife but look at where they are now
the show never recovered after that
sure they came back for another season but the damage was already done
What happened? This episode ruined it ?
@@johnnytsunami3558 yes it did. It turned everyone off from the show. Including Sheryl who quit the show after this
Truth it turned it from a light hearted comedy to a drama
It did recover, you just ignored the episodes why Frank kept Dorian a secret and the history between him, Margurite and Barbara. Plus, other sitcoms done this and still went on
@@RapFanatic4ever I guess the past seasons weren't dramatic, like Myles smoking weed, Mo sneaking off to TIjuana, Hakeem finding out his cousin is LGBTQA etc.
Frank called Moesha a sl*t for a tattoo but wants respect after this scene. Frank should’ve got slapped and idc 🤷🏽♀️ he talked all high and mighty for the majority of seasons but had the nerve to say he made a mistake sir please go to hell 😂😂😂
When I first saw this my jaw dropped no bs.
I like how frank told moesha "who do you think you're talking to??" Despite the situation at hand, his tone and authority side as a father kicked in real quick lol 😂
She tells him to shut up, so what? He wasn’t being truthful from the beginning and he was being a hypocrite.
Then got the nerve to say this 2:09
@@aidanfox8219 And the nerve to call Mo a tramp when she got a tattoo.
@@aidanfox8219 And it's hilarious that he still stood his ground, when Moesha was at her scariest!
@@taylorsanada3180 Frank was punk
I remember watching this scene as a kid. It was a BOMBSHELL 😱
I don’t care who that woman is I would have looked her in the face and told her don’t “moesha” me
After this BOMBSHELL this show was NEVER the same & NOT in a good way!! When the higher ups decided to KILL James off on “Good Times” (just because he VOICED his concerns) the show went downhill quick and was NEVER the same afterwards!!
This scene lives rent free in my head
Frank called Mo a ho for getting her belly button pierced meanwhile he had a WHOLE child 🤦🏾♂️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was a tattoo
No it was a tattoo and plus he called her a tramp
it was a tattoo but i get it 🤣
That is some great acting! This cast is very talented!
That cup was empty the whole time he was so distraught he forgot lol
What were the writers thinking?!?
That’s the point they weren’t
When a show gets “stale”, executives think of a way to get audiences invested again. It’s like a last second hail mary that got picked off at the goal line.
@@olegunnarsolskjaer337 Exactly, people out here screaming OMG THIS KILLED THE SHOW, SHOW ISN'T THE SAME, even though I heard the Mitchells never wanted this storyline
Close. What were the writers and Frank Dirty Balls drinking?
And this was the day Moesha died.
RIP Aunt Hattie 🙏🙏🙏
Usually those that are the hardest critics on others are usually the ones that have the most secrets
“just the same, I feel safer in a hotel”😂
you gotta feel bad for Aunt Hattie because she clearly thought they knew already.
Same@@1talldaddy . Plus she knows how scary Moesha can really be if it's something personal is why she left, LOL
Damn he just gave up immediately😅 I would've lied my ass off and had everybody laughing with me.
And a year later, when Frank reveals the truth, how do you think everyone will feel. They did say that they were going to tell him the truth when Darion turned 18.
It still would've been the same outrage regardless and Frank didn't want to lie to Dorian for another who year, that he isn't his uncle.
Art imitating life - this was Brandy talkin to Willie LOL
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Y'know, I don't think I hate this plotline as much as everyone else does and while Frank is definitely not one of my favorite characters, I can't demonize him because of his situation with Dorian. He cared for his son regardless, even when he wasn't within reach and I think that that is commendable.
It’s giving “Luke, I am your father!” 🤣😆🤣
I tried not to laugh when Moesha told Frank to shut up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Looks like Frank wasn't all as picture perfect as he set out to be after all. 😂😂
When television was great
The EPISODE that KILLED THIS SHOW🔪
My question was why the audience was all quiet. They usually have shocking moments from their sounds and noises but this one was them being all quiet. Were they told to be quiet. Cuz this was the most shocking moment in the show. I always wondered why they didn't ooooh or ahhhh. Weird.
That's the last thing they were expecting. I think they were in too much shock to ooohh and aaahh about anything. Probably angry too.
Most are just soundtracks
Did they have a live audience? I assumed it was just something similar to a laugh track
A lot of shows had audience tracks, so the laughs and oohs and awws weren’t real. Even when there were live audiences they were told when to laugh and do things a lot.
And THIS episode was the DOWNFALL for “MOESHA” sitcom because sherylLee Ralph said, after this episode, she didn’t feel that the show would be the same & she wanted out!
Everytime they try to work ray j into a storyline on a successful show this is the outcome smh