Evs need lighter higher energy dense batteries as high as atleast 450wh/kg cells otherwise they wont be popular any time soon because they are too heavy and not practical at all,people want at least 400 miles on highway 70 mph range
Evs need lighter higher energy dense batteries as high as atleast 450wh/kg cells otherwise they wont be popular any time soon because they are too heavy and not practical at all,people want at least 400 miles on highway 70 mph range,i hope all comapnies will see my comment
I think what manufacturers are going to find is that hybrids are required in colder climates. So expect some sort of internal combustion no matter what. People have been losing half their range in cold weather plus degradation and are taking major depreciation losses on electric cars mainly because of the cost of battery repairs or replacement.
For some reason, those headlights now remind me of the old Kia Sportage. When the Sportage was launched, the lights looked like the front of a Porsche so it's gone full circle for me.
What I don't get, why did they do the split headlights? I get it on the BMW 7 series, their runninglights are so thin, the real headlights have to be somewhere else. But here? It seems like Porsche did split headlights just for the sake of having split headlights. I find this wierd, like the car has four eyes. And if you look at the taycan, size really shouldn't be a reason to do this.
@@skrlaviolette its probably becauso the area in wich the Headlights are in now would be so empty without them. On the old Macan there was an air intake at that place. I didnt like the split headlights at first too, but if you think about it it seems like a good decision
@@skrlaviolette i’d probably bet it has to do with regulations around the hight of the beam. Led lights reach far if they are also set very high on the car they will blind incoming traffic or you will need to point them downwards, hence you lower them to avoid that
Well, that's the great thing: you can CHOOSE it! If you want it, then you choose it. But if you always drive alone or as a couple anyway, the Porsche is more of a lifestyle product for you and your wife and you don't have any children who could ever ride along, you don't have to pay for something you would never use anyway. I think this is great! The freedom of choice. Nothing you have to pay for even though you won't use it once.
@@hochzeitsfotografseychelle2986 That's not my point. I would agree if we are talking about a Corolla or something else affordable...But for 115K, everything slightly related to comfort should already be standard.
For 115K€ you can buy a flat with sea view in the south of Portugal, imagine asking for an extra 415€ for two electrical conductors making a resistance to warm my seats 😂
It should be there, if you don't want a warm butt then don't turn it on. If you want a warm butt, because you got Company aus den Seychellen und denen ist kalt, then turn it on. Kapiert. ? @@hochzeitsfotografseychelle2986
Gotta love the interior of this car, absolutely amazing. I like the front end of the car, however the back not so much. When you look at the back of the car from a certain angle (diagonally) it looks weird, compared to the normal macan.
Where I live, about 10 days ago, the temperature dropped to minus 20 degrees Fahrenheit, which killed many EVs as they could not be charged. Would this Macan be able to handle such low temperature?
EV manufacturers are working to solve this issue, however i doubt this Porche will be able to do it effectively unless they've got crazy new battery tech to fix it. Largely the easiest way to fix this is by warming the battery (similar to warming an ICE).
20 degrees does not kill the EV unless you were already at 10-15% residual charge. Key is to keep it topped off in the winter time. 30-40% loss of range is a real winter time issue.
You people always say this. It’s never even remotely that extreme. You buy into the bullshit that people like Tyler Hoover spout about “luxury cars” losing value, and then they reveal that they bought some 20 year old S class with seats that look like they sat in the ocean and then say say “this is why you should never buy a new luxury car.”
The 90% positive comments are mostly sales guys or Influencers for Porsche. Taycan Driver speaking. The car is very nice, but many times in the shop for electronic issues. It's a bother over 3 years.
The Macan likely has a smaller frontal area than the model Y, which will mean its drag difference is less than the CD figures alone indicate.The overall drag is measured by multiplying the CD (drag coefficient) by the frontal area A, giving CDA. This is what dictates overall aerodynamic drag , the CDA, not the CD. The old Macan had a frontal area of 2.61 sq. m, the new one is quoted as being "less than the old one" (I could not find a figure), and the Model Y is quoted at 2.65 for frontal area. So the difference betwen the two, is less the the CD numbers alone suggest. (0.25 and 0.23). Think of a brick, it has very poor aerodynamics (poor CD) but a small area (A), so it will take less energy to push through the air than an EV, you need to factor in the area part of the equation as well as drag coefficient to give the overall picture. The Tesla model 3 has exactly the same CD as the Model Y, but 20% less frontal area, so the CDA is 20% less. The 3 should be more efficient at a constant high speed cruise, if the motor etc. has similar efficiency.
Just to be clear… it’s the cd that ‘reduces’ the effective frontal area and hence a lower cd benefits a car with a higher frontal area. Eg a lotus elite has a smaller area than that of a model x but the model x has a lower CoD hence lower effective frontal area and therefore more efficient.
@@hamptonchivasa You need to multiply CD x A in each car to find out which will have lower drag. CDA is the number that matters. A lower CD won't always mean a car has less drag if frontal area is larger enough to outweigh the lower CD. In this case the frontal area of the Macan is less than the Tesla, but the exact amount less is not in print yet, so overall drag may be less on the Macan, or it may not, depending how much frontal area they've lost. CDA is the only number that matters. I feel that CD is misused quite a lot, it's not the full picture at all. The time CD it can be fairly useful by itself is if the same car has aero tweaks to change the CD but frontal area is not affected much, such as comparing the effect of a big rear wing or lip spoiler on MPG, but it is still worth looking at CDA to get the true picture.
Seems like a very strange move to me. Macan is Porsches highest selling model, and they make it completely EV when EV sales are slowing down. I also just don’t think a ton of people who like Porsche are big EV fans. I think this is going to hurt the company
The front looks great. It needs the rear spoiler to make it looks more like an SUV or an adjustment to the roofline. I have a 2019 and feel it was a good value despite the price. The build quality and paint are excellent. Love the styling.
Nice. My Genesis GV60 sport plus was about the same price as the Macan 4. The genesis is a bit smaller, a bit faster but about 100 miles behind on range. That 4 model will sell well I should think. I like the look of the turbo.
@@mcsike7264 20k of that is just the Porshe badge lol Even still, the top spec of each is $95k to $68k So can't call it cheap And this could arguably compete with the X
@@Saddex still won’t be usable for winter road trips. I’ve had multiple friends think their battery was full. After 2 days being garaged in the cold it’s not. The system says they have 250 miles but it runs out after 125. We need 700 mile range for EVs to be practical beyond commuting cars.
@@arcadialive4265 do they have a heat pump? If not, yes, a 50% range loss is probably going to happen in well below freezing temps. With heat pump, 30-40% is more realistic below freezing. Highway range is of course going to be even less vs WLTP but that applies to ICE vehicles too. For a lot of people it will probably be adequate, though ideally the summer range should probably be in excess of 450 miles to be considered practical across the board in Europe. The distances are relatively short and winters mild. In the EU, one of the planned provisions of the Euro 7 standard, mandatory winter range tests, was unfortunately scrapped. That was stupid because it would provide a lot of certainty instead of having to assume about a third less at freezing which is average loss demonstrated in tests. More without a heat pump and at colder temps.
@@Saddex they are great daily driver cars. Just get questionable for road trips. And yes, I googled the model just to make sure. They do have heat pumps. I have been told the worst they got was 125 mile range, when it said much higher on the gauge. I also guess the car can also drain while turned off during cold weather
@@arcadialive4265 mine loses about 1% every 2 days at -10 C or below. Though yeah, probably I assume it's a combination of things, including temps in that range. Although since the trend is for batteries to get larger capacities with higher energy density, the range loss in winter should get proportionally smaller to some extent, as the energy used to heat the cabin per unit of time won't change and it takes much less energy to keep the cabin warm vs heating it up from cold even when driving a longer distance. Unless though you precondition the cabin while plugged in but then the overall loss should be even smaller proportionally. I generally don't believe in telling people what to do, though another option available to lower consumption is to use heated seats and steering vs the fans that could be considered. Though yeah, for winter roadtripping EVs leave a bit to be desired even if I believe 700 miles WLTP probably is a bit overkill. 500 is probably going to be the sweet spot for the majority of people.
The front is nice. The rear looks like a failed butt job. The slope doesn't work that good on a short suv. They should've extended a by a few more inches to make it look better. 80k usd for a base model small suv is a lot. Most people will go with the cayenne. A new cayenne base is 72k.
the price is a bit crazy compared to the ICE version, people are expecting the same or lower price, guess people in the eu will now rush to order the last generation of ICE macan now.
Yes maybe a few 1000 but most will not be that angry. RUclips comments assume that their annoyances and views are the same for "most people". I am not saying I am correct either but it is not that bad.
367 mile EV range sounds about right for over a week worth of commuting. But let's be honest those are the inflated range test distances almost nobody in the real world would be able to achieve. I'd give it 325 at best, but still great for charging maybe 4 times a month.
@@Nse19 How is Ioniq 5 N so dated? as similar spec as Macan turbo with 800V charging system nd better batteries but not even a half of price of Macan. Porsche would care.
@@alexcho0305 the design of the Ioniq 5 is dated. It's supposed to look futuristic but now it just looks old. And especially the inside looks and feel so cheap. Macan and Ioniq 5 are playing in completely different leagues
Long line but your right..service may cost you your first born but sacrifices is what it's all about..the best thing is in 5 years time it will be yesterday's technology..great!!!
I'm only interested in that kind of power if I get a free test track with the car. On another note it would be nice is someone came up with alloys that weren't really easy to kerb - the ones on this will look terrible in no time with most owners.
@@matthewp9015 I think the answer is to reverse the trend for such low profile tyres and huge wheels. It would improve ride comfort too. I was lucky enough to have a Ferrari 328 many years ago when they were almost affordable, the tyres were always the first thing to touch to kerb when parking, no wheel scuffs in six years of ownership. People like the look of a full wheel arch though and for rome reason better handling at the price of ride comfort rules despite generally busy roads and low traffic speed these days.
That’s not accurate research show there’s an initial degradation of the batteries within the first year but this will taper off. The longevity of the batteries is still being researched but the second hand EV market is terrible so it’s one thing to buy one but if you plan to sell in 3-5yrs you may find it hard to even trade in
@behindthebuild8016 there is no such research. There is no 'initial degredation' that you speak of. Stop making stuff up or check your sources, please, for your own sake. Trade ins not great because EV tech has improved so much. Just like early computers were out of date immediately, but were still good buy. Peddling nonsense like ghat spewed on this channel only ends up with you being left behind. Buy his oil lobby narrative at your own peril
my aunt owns a 2013 Mercedez B class EV with 90% of original capacity. The Macan has 4x the range so it gets cycled 4x less often for the same distance traveled. Poor depreciation is great for the second hand buyer I can't afford a gas new or used Porsche but maybe i could afford a 5 year old EV Porsche
Most EV batteries brick around the 10 year mark (or longer if you get lucky or live in a warm, consistent climate), and cost 20-50k to replace depending on the car
Tesla model Y performance offers a much better value proposition. Macan looks good and will attractive Porsche traditionalists, a bit old fashioned interior and user interface and more expensive then the perceived quality justifys. Huge improvement over old Macan. Which is the most important point
@@G82Watts buddy this isn't about depreciation 😂. It's about the issues the taycan has, it's really not as reliable as other EV choices mainly Teslas. I met one taycan owner in my country of origin (was the only family that imported a taycan at the time) & you could literally see the pain in her face as I asked the question 😂. It's real bad, surely hope they learned & the macan is different 🤷
My wife has been wanting the GTS. We really like this one too, but the quotes to make our 6 year old house compatible with a charger (when looking at the Grand Cherokee 4xe) were astronomical. I think that may the be the biggest barrier of entry for us on electric vehicles.
@@sepplschpeedruns281 I could get a gently used Civic Type R here in the USA for the price we were quoted by three different electricians. So about 35% of what the GTS cost. And where we currently live, there would be no ROI at this point. In fact my state is trying to get dissuade electric vehicle sales. Its a real mess.
@@hassanger8128 I wish I knew. I checked with other people and they are were +/- 10% of the quotes we got. My best guess is that since I live in Texas, anything that seems liberal gets an up charge. I know both quotes said the main cost had to do something with swapping the whole breaker box in the garage and moving it.
Or you don't understand that the world is changing, and for MOST(not all) people these electric cars are just perfect, at least if you live in a developed country and commute to work. These are also the first gen electric cars being produced, imagine how good they might be in 10 years? Most people i know can't switch back from electric after owning one cause they simply are so much better than diesel/petrol cars.
WHATMrGK. nope. Maybe explain then why sales of evs are tanking. Or why rental companies are ditching them. Most people know they are expensive impractical rubbish. The wealthy virtue signallers love them to show off, but of course have a second and probably third car that are petrol or diesel, usually large suvs or large sedans. For when they need a real car.
They should've started with a hybrid engine, the Taycan is not selling that well globally and this will have the same results. And when it comes to the used market, it takes a huge nose dive.
That and EV's always seem to sell best at first only to lose their sales volume quickly. The type of people who want them are usually the early adopters.
For an EV, this is spot on in my opinion looking at the tech and most of the design. The rear could have been done better, but that would be my only meh about this car (aside from it being electric of course)
these guys exaggerate and talk so glorious about the cars. Lets here this lower by 28 mm is just an inches not difference the average driver will recognize. 15 mm is about 1/2 inch. until this car get on the market this is all crap these guys blowing
I will be surprised if it actually gets the 4 miles per kWh that it claims, but that would be pretty awesome for a vehicle of this size/weight to do that! That would be even better than the Bolt EV's efficiency.
Less expensive than I thought, still €40K euros more expensive when optioned out slightly similarly than a top trim fully specced Xpeng G9 Performance here in the Netherlands. And the G9 still charges faster, accelerates faster, and it only has like 3 options, instead of 250.
Great summary, I love this and feels like Porsche got it right with the Macan, most notably on the entry level price - I thought it’d be way more expensive. Looking forward to seeing the real world range on this, which I suspect will only increase in difference from the Model Y (which range is highly overstated).
Err, the entry level Macan, which has pretty woeful performance... with a very modest splattering of options, £80K!!! Same as I paid for range topping Macan GTS. The 'turbo' which in itself is a joke to give it that title, £100k before options. You think Porsche have got it right? Jesus wept. The Macan's USP as a premium compact SUV was the price and what you got for your money, not now.
@@noelzuzic7205 I dont like the Q5 at all. Ultraboring looks. I have driven my Taycan now for 3 years and it's the best car I have ever had. The ones before were M3 E92 and F80 Comp. I love the electric platform. Dont even remember when I went last time to a gasoline station. My first car was a Beetle-70 which I bought in 1977. After that I have had 18 cars so have experience. I will never ever go back to ICE anymore.
Let's hope the rear leg room is better than in the ICE version. The Taycan Cross Turismo offers more room for rear passengers, and could be considered more practical as a daily driver for the family. Also, I know Matt hates the passenger screens, but we find it really useful on the Taycan. Easier for passenger to control music, put in sat nav directions etc and the main screen continues to function. Not sure this Macan will take me away from my beloved Taycan (or the Taycan II just announced and available to build on the Porsche website).
I think the first iteration of the Macan looks wise is the best one then came the "Butt lift" one with the line stop light and it became uglier. You'd think the next iteration would look better but NOPE.
Not forgetting the Porche options trick. So now I believe I have the plan. Let a few people buy these with some great optional extras. Say 90k. Wait 6 years and go to British car auctions and buy one for 27k and then flip it for 30k. Most of the lease companies dump their Suvs their after 6 years when they are getting close to worthless. Or better still buy a Byd Suv after 6 years for 14k. Ok. All clear now.
I’ve heard when the person who heads up the Options Department stands up to talk at the board meetings they stand, laugh outrageously and applaud. Followed by more laughter.
@carwow / Matt, 9:21 "the Macan comes with a built-in 11 kilowatt·hour AC charger". Learn the difference between energy and power! This is a measure of power, so 11 kilowatts. The most impressive thing about this car is Porsche is telling buyers of (relatively) compact crossovers "Ours only comes as battery-electric." The combustion age is truly ending.
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Mat Watson looks like Ken miles 😮😮
Evs need lighter higher energy dense batteries as high as atleast 450wh/kg cells otherwise they wont be popular any time soon because they are too heavy and not practical at all,people want at least 400 miles on highway 70 mph range
@@Ahmedwaleedelsheikhis Mat Watson more like Ken Miles 2.5?
Calling it a turbo with no turbo is a crime.
Womp womp
i do hope they change that, it is a bit stupid ngl
They have been doing it since the Taycan.
idk why people fuss about this so much. Turbo = fast, every kid can make that connection without knowing what a turbocharger is.
@@Breadfan00they could call ev fast models “boost” instead of turbo you know…
get ready for Mat saying PoooOooosh
Yes.
In the USA they say Pooscha
Porsche 👍
They should take his GT3 RS away 😭
Evs need lighter higher energy dense batteries as high as atleast 450wh/kg cells otherwise they wont be popular any time soon because they are too heavy and not practical at all,people want at least 400 miles on highway 70 mph range,i hope all comapnies will see my comment
Poooooooshe
Previous Macan is from now a valuable collector item.
2020 Macan also.
997 will be the most valuable. Last 911 before VW
@@paranoia800 You mean the 993, last 911 before water cooling.
I think what manufacturers are going to find is that hybrids are required in colder climates. So expect some sort of internal combustion no matter what. People have been losing half their range in cold weather plus degradation and are taking major depreciation losses on electric cars mainly because of the cost of battery repairs or replacement.
@@Mr.Ghost_og Explains why a tropical countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland have the highest percentage of EV sales in the world.
Who else goes straight to the comments to see what others think?
I go str8 to comments to see if Powsche is mentioned. Can this drift around a burning Aventador?
Me 😂
For some reason, those headlights now remind me of the old Kia Sportage. When the Sportage was launched, the lights looked like the front of a Porsche so it's gone full circle for me.
What I don't get, why did they do the split headlights? I get it on the BMW 7 series, their runninglights are so thin, the real headlights have to be somewhere else. But here? It seems like Porsche did split headlights just for the sake of having split headlights. I find this wierd, like the car has four eyes. And if you look at the taycan, size really shouldn't be a reason to do this.
@@skrlaviolette its probably becauso the area in wich the Headlights are in now would be so empty without them. On the old Macan there was an air intake at that place. I didnt like the split headlights at first too, but if you think about it it seems like a good decision
@@skrlaviolette i’d probably bet it has to do with regulations around the hight of the beam. Led lights reach far if they are also set very high on the car they will blind incoming traffic or you will need to point them downwards, hence you lower them to avoid that
The interior dash is great. Finally something that looks like a real car inside. No tacky large screen tablet display. Very stylish indeed.
The interior of the Macan 2024 looks like the 2006 TAKATA DOME NSX GT500.
@@purwantiallan5089 i should buy you some glasses
You mean finally something, that looks the same for almost two decades now? Wow what a stylish interior! 🤦
It needs HUD
it looks crowded and messy though..
Something you'll only see from a german manufacturer: Selling your car for 115K €...but making back-seat heating optional for 415€....love it.
Well, that's the great thing: you can CHOOSE it! If you want it, then you choose it. But if you always drive alone or as a couple anyway, the Porsche is more of a lifestyle product for you and your wife and you don't have any children who could ever ride along, you don't have to pay for something you would never use anyway. I think this is great! The freedom of choice. Nothing you have to pay for even though you won't use it once.
@@hochzeitsfotografseychelle2986 That's not my point. I would agree if we are talking about a Corolla or something else affordable...But for 115K, everything slightly related to comfort should already be standard.
For 115K€ you can buy a flat with sea view in the south of Portugal, imagine asking for an extra 415€ for two electrical conductors making a resistance to warm my seats 😂
It should be there, if you don't want a warm butt then don't turn it on. If you want a warm butt, because you got Company aus den Seychellen und denen ist kalt, then turn it on. Kapiert. ? @@hochzeitsfotografseychelle2986
The rear window wiper being optional is the real kicker!
they fucked up the rear end so bad😢
I was thinking same thing...front is nice but rear is just awful.
Even the front headlights look bad😢
It just looks like a Kia or Toyota... for 120 grand. Disgusting
@@ek5659front is ugly too. I hope, at least next 911 will be without these shitty Taycan headlights
@@Kulsarieff exactly, being electric may not be so bad,but why should they change the design..They r going backwards in the name of innovation
As a German, my heart is bleeding.. its called porscheeeeeee not porsch
You could BASE jump in the price gap between the macan and the EQE, jeez the undercut is ridiculous
Gotta love the interior of this car, absolutely amazing. I like the front end of the car, however the back not so much. When you look at the back of the car from a certain angle (diagonally) it looks weird, compared to the normal macan.
I think its because it lacks a spoiler
@@oket31 yeah i think so, the exhaust pipes play a lot as well I think ^^
Once the spoiler is out it’s nice just needs it as permanent feature
Agreed. However I'd give the design a month or two. Bet the rear end will grow on you
I totally agree, the back is weird, I preferred the old Macan. The rest of the car is great, and the interior is beautiful!
prefered the older versions look then this one butt crazy power
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Hard disagree. This looks way better. Looks way more futurstic
The new version look better except the front end (way to big) imo.
Each their own opinion. It's a question of personal taste.
I also prefer the previous version, this one is a little too "bloby" for me.
@@edouard9867 I can spot the problem. The grill in the new model is located too low. And it is indeed ugly.
Should’ve put a permanent spoiler above the rear glass
Exactly! I don't really dig this design compared to the older one.
Agreed, but it would have reduced the range, which is a selling feature
And rear window wiper under spoiler
@@MagicBox-k3d - Kyle has said that the US spec will have a rear wiper as standard.
@@MagicBox-k3d the rear wiper is optional when you order it.
Where I live, about 10 days ago, the temperature dropped to minus 20 degrees Fahrenheit, which killed many EVs as they could not be charged. Would this Macan be able to handle such low temperature?
EV manufacturers are working to solve this issue, however i doubt this Porche will be able to do it effectively unless they've got crazy new battery tech to fix it. Largely the easiest way to fix this is by warming the battery (similar to warming an ICE).
20 degrees does not kill the EV unless you were already at 10-15% residual charge. Key is to keep it topped off in the winter time. 30-40% loss of range is a real winter time issue.
@@tor-Norge Minus 20 degrees. Reread my comment.
@lancecahill5486 His point is still valid tho. The bigger problem are the people, who haven't got the slightest idea about how their vehicle works.
I suggest you move somewhere warmer … that sounds awful!
I hate the trend of placing the lights below the daytime-running lights.
Will be interesting to compare sales numbers to previous years.
Ye the mums who drive the kids to school 2 miles away will love it and that's about it!
They will crash completely.
The Taycan was the best-selling Porsche that is not an SUV since it came out. This Macan EV will sell well.
@@snakeeyes9246 in first year yes. Nobody buys taycans anymore.
Well I will not be buying one to replace my current one so that is one less.
What’s faster the 0-60 or the depreciation?
Or the quality of the RUclips hate comments on this channel. Who knows?
@@Astke That doesn't make sense. The quality of the RUclips hate comments is faster?
Lloyd - I prefer your wit sir 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The 30-40% as soon as you drive it off the lot - and there's a depreciation hit buying any new car.
@@CC-hy6se he’s trying too hard to cope with his EV money pit
watch the resell value drop like a stone - 40% value in 3 years is my bet
I bet it will be even worse.
You people always say this. It’s never even remotely that extreme. You buy into the bullshit that people like Tyler Hoover spout about “luxury cars” losing value, and then they reveal that they bought some 20 year old S class with seats that look like they sat in the ocean and then say say “this is why you should never buy a new luxury car.”
@@conor7154 just look at the taycan market now, it's dropped an insane amount, it's not far-fetched to think the macan will follow the same path
model 3 down 40% minimum since 2021 @@conor7154
@@conor7154 They just don't like EVs, like an angry old man shaking his fist at the sky.
The 90% positive comments are mostly sales guys or Influencers for Porsche. Taycan Driver speaking. The car is very nice, but many times in the shop for electronic issues. It's a bother over 3 years.
Mom i want a porsche macan gts!
Mom: we have a macan at home
The Macan at home:
Called turbo without a turbo😂
Porsche without a porsche engine
And nobody will buy it 😊
@@aaz1992 Maybe in another universe
@@aaz1992 The price for that power is actually quite good. It will sell loads.
@@aaz1992 this comment will be funny to look back at in a few years
now i really want a used one
The Macan likely has a smaller frontal area than the model Y, which will mean its drag difference is less than the CD figures alone indicate.The overall drag is measured by multiplying the CD (drag coefficient) by the frontal area A, giving CDA. This is what dictates overall aerodynamic drag , the CDA, not the CD.
The old Macan had a frontal area of 2.61 sq. m, the new one is quoted as being "less than the old one" (I could not find a figure), and the Model Y is quoted at 2.65 for frontal area. So the difference betwen the two, is less the the CD numbers alone suggest. (0.25 and 0.23). Think of a brick, it has very poor aerodynamics (poor CD) but a small area (A), so it will take less energy to push through the air than an EV, you need to factor in the area part of the equation as well as drag coefficient to give the overall picture.
The Tesla model 3 has exactly the same CD as the Model Y, but 20% less frontal area, so the CDA is 20% less. The 3 should be more efficient at a constant high speed cruise, if the motor etc. has similar efficiency.
Just to be clear… it’s the cd that ‘reduces’ the effective frontal area and hence a lower cd benefits a car with a higher frontal area. Eg a lotus elite has a smaller area than that of a model x but the model x has a lower CoD hence lower effective frontal area and therefore more efficient.
@@hamptonchivasa You need to multiply CD x A in each car to find out which will have lower drag. CDA is the number that matters. A lower CD won't always mean a car has less drag if frontal area is larger enough to outweigh the lower CD. In this case the frontal area of the Macan is less than the Tesla, but the exact amount less is not in print yet, so overall drag may be less on the Macan, or it may not, depending how much frontal area they've lost. CDA is the only number that matters. I feel that CD is misused quite a lot, it's not the full picture at all.
The time CD it can be fairly useful by itself is if the same car has aero tweaks to change the CD but frontal area is not affected much, such as comparing the effect of a big rear wing or lip spoiler on MPG, but it is still worth looking at CDA to get the true picture.
Seems like a very strange move to me. Macan is Porsches highest selling model, and they make it completely EV when EV sales are slowing down. I also just don’t think a ton of people who like Porsche are big EV fans. I think this is going to hurt the company
Many ( including myself) are stepping away from Porsche because of the EV only push.
The old Macan looked a lot better.
They should have just kept the eletric very similar don’t understand tbh.
They don’t want to sell ev’s, that’s why.
The front looks great. It needs the rear spoiler to make it looks more like an SUV or an adjustment to the roofline.
I have a 2019 and feel it was a good value despite the price. The build quality and paint are excellent. Love the styling.
Totally agree about the spoiler and roofline, Porsche need to add it as option!
From today forward, an old Macan GTS with low mileage will be a wise and enjoyable investment.🤠
I have an Olivetti typewriter you may want to add to your collection
@@johnn17golf EV's are one of the oldest car concepts.
@@jjay350 IC tech is well past its best before date. Time to move on to the better tech
Nice.
My Genesis GV60 sport plus was about the same price as the Macan 4. The genesis is a bit smaller, a bit faster but about 100 miles behind on range. That 4 model will sell well I should think. I like the look of the turbo.
Genesis has much better interior and is better finished when it comes to materials.
The price of Maxan 4 is without options. 😄
@@Robertkajman I don't know if you have ever set in one before but that is absolutely not the case ^^
Genesis is complete trash.@@Robertkajman
@@Thecommentator-hc1fz How one of the most premium brand is trash, thinking that way you can also say the same about Bentley, Rolls-Royce.
I like the range, hope it holds up to the claims.
Also, applaud Matt for making this vid as if in person review. Great job
I’m so tired of everyone doing electric cars.
I like the design ,the smaller grill opening is nice and active shutters on the bottom cooling grill is sweet! Very nice!
Did they have to make it ugly
yeah
It does suck really 🤦🏻
Let's make a electric car but let's make sure it stands out and is obvious, while people want it to blend in and look normal
I love it. People hate changes and new things. In a few months everyone will love it. I bet it will sell just as well as the old Macan
@@N1ckZ For me I have a brand new 2023 Lexus RX and it's better than this Macan. 👌🏼👍🏼
If Porshe claims it is the same as the model Y, it's definitely better
I mean it better be its like 100k vs 40 to 50k XD
@@mcsike7264 20k of that is just the Porshe badge lol
Even still, the top spec of each is $95k to $68k
So can't call it cheap
And this could arguably compete with the X
@@ab3040 not plaid tho
@@mcsike7264 not in a drag race no
But on a track, I bet it does better
@@ab3040 ya i can see that but i don't think they inted to make it a track car all they did was put a modle s plaid power train in a X XD
367 miles in warm weather. Probably 157 in cold.
Heat pump is standard equipment in this, so expect around 30% less or about 257 in winter. The less powerful variant should make around 266 in winter.
@@Saddex still won’t be usable for winter road trips. I’ve had multiple friends think their battery was full. After 2 days being garaged in the cold it’s not. The system says they have 250 miles but it runs out after 125. We need 700 mile range for EVs to be practical beyond commuting cars.
@@arcadialive4265 do they have a heat pump? If not, yes, a 50% range loss is probably going to happen in well below freezing temps. With heat pump, 30-40% is more realistic below freezing. Highway range is of course going to be even less vs WLTP but that applies to ICE vehicles too.
For a lot of people it will probably be adequate, though ideally the summer range should probably be in excess of 450 miles to be considered practical across the board in Europe. The distances are relatively short and winters mild. In the EU, one of the planned provisions of the Euro 7 standard, mandatory winter range tests, was unfortunately scrapped. That was stupid because it would provide a lot of certainty instead of having to assume about a third less at freezing which is average loss demonstrated in tests. More without a heat pump and at colder temps.
@@Saddex they are great daily driver cars. Just get questionable for road trips. And yes, I googled the model just to make sure. They do have heat pumps. I have been told the worst they got was 125 mile range, when it said much higher on the gauge. I also guess the car can also drain while turned off during cold weather
@@arcadialive4265 mine loses about 1% every 2 days at -10 C or below. Though yeah, probably I assume it's a combination of things, including temps in that range.
Although since the trend is for batteries to get larger capacities with higher energy density, the range loss in winter should get proportionally smaller to some extent, as the energy used to heat the cabin per unit of time won't change and it takes much less energy to keep the cabin warm vs heating it up from cold even when driving a longer distance. Unless though you precondition the cabin while plugged in but then the overall loss should be even smaller proportionally. I generally don't believe in telling people what to do, though another option available to lower consumption is to use heated seats and steering vs the fans that could be considered.
Though yeah, for winter roadtripping EVs leave a bit to be desired even if I believe 700 miles WLTP probably is a bit overkill. 500 is probably going to be the sweet spot for the majority of people.
I like how porsche is putting more Active Aero on their SUV's
The front is nice. The rear looks like a failed butt job. The slope doesn't work that good on a short suv. They should've extended a by a few more inches to make it look better. 80k usd for a base model small suv is a lot. Most people will go with the cayenne. A new cayenne base is 72k.
TURBO is for very fast electrons from the battery XD
and the value from the depreciation
@@djtaylorutube 😁
My mates and I used to call the dash mounted clock “the tosser clock” when they first came out in the GT cars. 😂
Legacy EV with a decent front boot? Wow Porsche is really taking this EV thing seriously, congrats.
Sad to see the end of the ice macan 😢
the price is a bit crazy compared to the ICE version, people are expecting the same or lower price, guess people in the eu will now rush to order the last generation of ICE macan now.
Yes maybe a few 1000 but most will not be that angry. RUclips comments assume that their annoyances and views are the same for "most people". I am not saying I am correct either but it is not that bad.
@@Astke considering the type of person that can afford this it probably doesn't even impact 99% of youtube commenters lmao.
@@jamesreichmann2129 lol so true 😂
Newton meters should be "Nm" as this is correct as per international ISO standards for SI units.
Wow they managed to develop a door handles that actual human could use. Bravo Porsche.
Tesla handle look better and work just fine…unless you don’t have fingers?
Just make the old ones ev’s. Why always restyle? Then nobody can complain.
367 mile EV range sounds about right for over a week worth of commuting. But let's be honest those are the inflated range test distances almost nobody in the real world would be able to achieve. I'd give it
325 at best, but still great for charging maybe 4 times a month.
@ev.whyking yes sir, I'm a professional drone operator and always need to go distant locations for commercial work.
Nice video Matt! one minor thing, base on the US Porsche official website, the Macan EV 4 0-60mph is 4.9s and Macan EV Turbo 0-60mph is 3.1s
Probably accounted for by Mat quoting the European 0-100kph time, which is slightly slower.
@@jinxvrsindeed...100kph are 62mph and not 60
This must overcome Ioniq 5 N first. Provide stock car to test on Nurburgring, not by manufacturer themselves.
Ioniq 5 😂 it's so dated and an Hyundai. I don't think Porsche could care less
@@Nse19 How is Ioniq 5 N so dated? as similar spec as Macan turbo with 800V charging system nd better batteries but not even a half of price of Macan. Porsche would care.
@@alexcho0305 the design of the Ioniq 5 is dated. It's supposed to look futuristic but now it just looks old. And especially the inside looks and feel so cheap.
Macan and Ioniq 5 are playing in completely different leagues
Yes because porsche's target market is hyunadi customers 😂
Looks very smart 👌 maybe I'll pick one up in a few years once it's depreciated like a rock 🪨
Long line but your right..service may cost you your first born but sacrifices is what it's all about..the best thing is in 5 years time it will be yesterday's technology..great!!!
No you won't.
@RG-ld8wv probably will go for a taycan actually
As my model x does the job of being practical.
Can we get the units for charging right? It is kW not kWh. kWh is the capacity of the battery.
Dear car manufacturers,
We don’t want EVs.
Yours truly
I'm only interested in that kind of power if I get a free test track with the car. On another note it would be nice is someone came up with alloys that weren't really easy to kerb - the ones on this will look terrible in no time with most owners.
Every new porsche comes with an invite for 2 people to test your car in their facilities in germany
Maybe you can come up with some and make a lot of money.
@@matthewp9015 I think the answer is to reverse the trend for such low profile tyres and huge wheels. It would improve ride comfort too. I was lucky enough to have a Ferrari 328 many years ago when they were almost affordable, the tyres were always the first thing to touch to kerb when parking, no wheel scuffs in six years of ownership. People like the look of a full wheel arch though and for rome reason better handling at the price of ride comfort rules despite generally busy roads and low traffic speed these days.
The old one was essentially a souped up Golf. This one has a proper platform. That in itself makes it worthwhile
I do like the daytime running lights 😮💨 it does look huge in video though
Question how long with the batteries last and what’s the cost to replace?
They last longer than your ICE engine and the cost to replace will be nothing because it won't need to be done.
That’s not accurate research show there’s an initial degradation of the batteries within the first year but this will taper off. The longevity of the batteries is still being researched but the second hand EV market is terrible so it’s one thing to buy one but if you plan to sell in 3-5yrs you may find it hard to even trade in
@behindthebuild8016 there is no such research. There is no 'initial degredation' that you speak of. Stop making stuff up or check your sources, please, for your own sake.
Trade ins not great because EV tech has improved so much. Just like early computers were out of date immediately, but were still good buy.
Peddling nonsense like ghat spewed on this channel only ends up with you being left behind. Buy his oil lobby narrative at your own peril
my aunt owns a 2013 Mercedez B class EV with 90% of original capacity. The Macan has 4x the range so it gets cycled 4x less often for the same distance traveled. Poor depreciation is great for the second hand buyer I can't afford a gas new or used Porsche but maybe i could afford a 5 year old EV Porsche
Most EV batteries brick around the 10 year mark (or longer if you get lucky or live in a warm, consistent climate), and cost 20-50k to replace depending on the car
Tesla model Y performance offers a much better value proposition. Macan looks good and will attractive Porsche traditionalists, a bit old fashioned interior and user interface and more expensive then the perceived quality justifys. Huge improvement over old Macan. Which is the most important point
Looks really cool but the Cayenne GT will always be cooler. I saw a few of them in Southern California and they were so cool.
Cayenne GT and BMW X3 both better than this Macan.
I for one think it will turn out like the taycan, same fate 💀
Hopefully the Macan not suffer the same fate as Taycan does.
@@purwantiallan5089 here's to hoping
U realize all EVs depreciate. At least it didn't as bad as tesla model s plaid and model y performance
@@G82Watts buddy this isn't about depreciation 😂. It's about the issues the taycan has, it's really not as reliable as other EV choices mainly Teslas. I met one taycan owner in my country of origin (was the only family that imported a taycan at the time) & you could literally see the pain in her face as I asked the question 😂. It's real bad, surely hope they learned & the macan is different 🤷
@@CanisoGaming can u name one thing that made it not reliable.
matt, we all want the: 'buy sell CARWOW' intro back man
I don't see a rear wiper..is there one? I agree with the consensus, don't much fancy the rear end.
I could get along with the front but the back reminds me of a Prius 😅
My wife has been wanting the GTS. We really like this one too, but the quotes to make our 6 year old house compatible with a charger (when looking at the Grand Cherokee 4xe) were astronomical. I think that may the be the biggest barrier of entry for us on electric vehicles.
No offense but I think you can afford it considering what you are willing to spend on a car 😂
@@sepplschpeedruns281 I could get a gently used Civic Type R here in the USA for the price we were quoted by three different electricians. So about 35% of what the GTS cost. And where we currently live, there would be no ROI at this point. In fact my state is trying to get dissuade electric vehicle sales. Its a real mess.
Why is that expensive?
It cost me only $1000 to install a level 2 charger box in my house garage in NY
Charge the car with a charger plugged in to a dryer outlet. That’s what I do and it’s perfect
@@hassanger8128 I wish I knew. I checked with other people and they are were +/- 10% of the quotes we got. My best guess is that since I live in Texas, anything that seems liberal gets an up charge. I know both quotes said the main cost had to do something with swapping the whole breaker box in the garage and moving it.
It looks like the Genesis GV60 or the MG 4. The old one is much better looking!
Yep. Looks like a steep back for me in terms of overall look.
Calling any vehicle a "turbo" when it doesn't have one just feels kinda weird to me. 🤷♂😂
So will it be badged Macaan or Macarn?
The industry doesn't understand that the world doesn't need cars with giant ass batteries with no range....
Or you don't understand that the world is changing, and for MOST(not all) people these electric cars are just perfect, at least if you live in a developed country and commute to work. These are also the first gen electric cars being produced, imagine how good they might be in 10 years? Most people i know can't switch back from electric after owning one cause they simply are so much better than diesel/petrol cars.
WHATMrGK. nope. Maybe explain then why sales of evs are tanking. Or why rental companies are ditching them. Most people know they are expensive impractical rubbish. The wealthy virtue signallers love them to show off, but of course have a second and probably third car that are petrol or diesel, usually large suvs or large sedans. For when they need a real car.
luckily it has a medium size battery with more than enough range
@@WHATMrGK Sorry but I'm not a fan of kool-aid.
This car has got everything I like in a car except for the previous design and an internal combustion engine.
No more ICE, no more Macan for me then
They should've started with a hybrid engine, the Taycan is not selling that well globally and this will have the same results. And when it comes to the used market, it takes a huge nose dive.
That and EV's always seem to sell best at first only to lose their sales volume quickly. The type of people who want them are usually the early adopters.
For an EV, this is spot on in my opinion looking at the tech and most of the design. The rear could have been done better, but that would be my only meh about this car (aside from it being electric of course)
these guys exaggerate and talk so glorious about the cars. Lets here this lower by 28 mm is just an inches not difference the average driver will recognize. 15 mm is about 1/2 inch. until this car get on the market this is all crap these guys blowing
I will be surprised if it actually gets the 4 miles per kWh that it claims, but that would be pretty awesome for a vehicle of this size/weight to do that! That would be even better than the Bolt EV's efficiency.
Hint: it wont
This will make Macan unique instead of being a budget Cayenne. Good job, Porsche!
Less expensive than I thought, still €40K euros more expensive when optioned out slightly similarly than a top trim fully specced Xpeng G9 Performance here in the Netherlands. And the G9 still charges faster, accelerates faster, and it only has like 3 options, instead of 250.
When I first saw it I thought it looked like a suped up VW beetle 😮
Great summary, I love this and feels like Porsche got it right with the Macan, most notably on the entry level price - I thought it’d be way more expensive.
Looking forward to seeing the real world range on this, which I suspect will only increase in difference from the Model Y (which range is highly overstated).
Err, the entry level Macan, which has pretty woeful performance... with a very modest splattering of options, £80K!!! Same as I paid for range topping Macan GTS. The 'turbo' which in itself is a joke to give it that title, £100k before options. You think Porsche have got it right? Jesus wept. The Macan's USP as a premium compact SUV was the price and what you got for your money, not now.
@@luciussander8217 I don’t disagree. But I guess more so what I was expecting was a much higher starting price given the Taycan starts at $100k…
Welcome to range anxiety.
If you have range anxiety with a 500km EV that is your own fault tbh 😆
@@Astke 500 Km IN THEORY. 🤣🤣🤣
@@nicomeier8098300km in reality at 100kph
@@nicomeier8098 No, real world. Already tested.
@@Astke Sure, and my laptop was supposed to last a week between charges. I'm usually needing to charge it at least once a day.
Good one more reason to buy Q5
Q5?? What?? 😂😂
@@peterhammer4644 same platform... but still has a normal engine not this electeric crap
oh yea, e-tron owners are very happy customers of teslas now xD
@@noelzuzic7205 I dont like the Q5 at all. Ultraboring looks. I have driven my Taycan now for 3 years and it's the best car I have ever had. The ones before were M3 E92 and F80 Comp. I love the electric platform. Dont even remember when I went last time to a gasoline station. My first car was a Beetle-70 which I bought in 1977. After that I have had 18 cars so have experience.
I will never ever go back to ICE anymore.
U serious.. this looks way better inside and out. As an audi fan nothing competes with porsche they are a tier above
What petrol engine is in the turbo version as a turbo is short for turbocharger or are they stealing a word for there fake turbo?
i Am assuming the headlight design will come over to all their Ev models.
That Macan better be as fast as the midrange Tesla for 3x the price lmao
The Model Y vs Macan comparison in Continental Europe is quite different. 56K€ for MY Performance and 86K€ base price for Macan 4
But porsche better
@@metehanbelen1185 of course, not saying the opposite, but 30K Euros is a crazy amount of money
To me it seems like they have overpriced it for the performance. Turbo with 3.3s would be ok but base 4 gets only 5.2s and its costing 85500 euros...
@@Rumblingbelly exactly, if base Macan was 70.000€ I would 100% go for it over Tesla but 86K€ is just too much imo
@@FGGiskard I agree, 70-75k for macan 4 would be ok but for that money you will only get the cheapest RWD Q6 e-tron
Can we have once a full episode in Mat‘s German English accent please?
👇🏻
Desperate attempt for likes! 🤦♂️
408hp and only a 5.1 second 0 to 62? My 2002 WRX when stock did 0 to 60 in 5.6. How heavy is this thing?
0-60 in 4.9 and I'll bet when reviewers actually test it, it's going to be more like 4.5. That always happens with Porsche
Let's hope the rear leg room is better than in the ICE version. The Taycan Cross Turismo offers more room for rear passengers, and could be considered more practical as a daily driver for the family. Also, I know Matt hates the passenger screens, but we find it really useful on the Taycan. Easier for passenger to control music, put in sat nav directions etc and the main screen continues to function. Not sure this Macan will take me away from my beloved Taycan (or the Taycan II just announced and available to build on the Porsche website).
I’m not in love with the rear end but I’m sure it’s looks better in person
I love it!!!!😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Sorry to tell you but you have a really really bad taste in cars
@@nk__ it looks way better than the earlier model, that's for sure.
I think the first iteration of the Macan looks wise is the best one then came the "Butt lift" one with the line stop light and it became uglier. You'd think the next iteration would look better but NOPE.
I'm missing the part where he is totally SHOCKED.
Not forgetting the Porche options trick. So now I believe I have the plan. Let a few people buy these with some great optional extras. Say 90k. Wait 6 years and go to British car auctions and buy one for 27k and then flip it for 30k. Most of the lease companies dump their Suvs their after 6 years when they are getting close to worthless. Or better still buy a Byd Suv after 6 years for 14k. Ok. All clear now.
Dump them there.
SUV ! No thank you .
that thing is hideous
I drive macan turbo and this is ugly lol.
I think this if way more classy than the earlier model.
just like the old one, i mean it is like every porsche really, they always look the same, super boring
Wait for 6 years and the battery will die
I’ve heard when the person who heads up the Options Department stands up to talk at the board meetings they stand, laugh outrageously and applaud. Followed by more laughter.
@carwow / Matt, 9:21 "the Macan comes with a built-in 11 kilowatt·hour AC charger".
Learn the difference between energy and power! This is a measure of power, so 11 kilowatts.
The most impressive thing about this car is Porsche is telling buyers of (relatively) compact crossovers "Ours only comes as battery-electric." The combustion age is truly ending.
Why are the headlights.. under the headlights? Hate how newer cars are doing that.
Is it 800V?
They took their best-selling vehicle and turned it electric . . . smh
AD08R’s on the 996?
On the configurator, I spec'd mine to £135k.... Lol