Fun fact. I had been sitting on my Ryzen 3600 waiting for used 5800x3d prices to come down until I ran across a 5800x for $120 early last year. Thought that was my final form AM4 rig. Then last weekend I picked up a 5800x3d and Radeon 6700xt combo used for $350 and promptly chucked that bitch in my rig. GPU to be flipped with the old cpu. Good times.
@@bullet996 nah, these are definitely not the norm. I've seen ebay sold prices for the x3d chip and they are pretty much the same as new so I didn't think I'd come across one. Definitely jumped on it and met same day he listed it.
Upgraded from the 1700x to the 5800x3D over the holidays. Greatest decision I made. My performance has tripled in some cases and I didn't have to change anything. Gives my 7 year old AM4 setup new life. Probably wont have to upgrade again until AM6 comes out.
Got myself a new rig with R9 5900X in may 2022, but kept using my GTX980 in it until Dec 2023. Got myself an RX 7900 XTX for christmas, I now play "The Last Of Us part I" in 4K on ultra settings... :-)
@@kevin.malone I’m using the 6800xt. I think I got it over the summer. It helped a little but changing the CPU is where it was like having a whole new computer
Biggest issue with 5800x3d has actually become its popularity. Its motherboards are a scam. DDR4 motherboards should ALL run 3200 stock now, but now you are forking over more than the CPU's price to get native 3200. Motherboard makers are actively fking consumers over with AM4 DDR4 is also right up there with DDR5 pricing wise because of this
Yep gotta milk obvious situational advice with an inflammatory title. I'm not sure I even blame him, this is the new reality of even being seen on YT as they try to become TikTok with shorts.
i'm on am4 b550, and upgraded to a 5800x3d end of 22. With a high end 4000 or 5000 series gpu or amd, later in 2024/25, this am4 build will last me fine for at least a couple more years!
I also got a b550 with a 7 5700x and a rx6600 (upgrade to my 10 yo pc with r9 270x and a i5 6500) and i think this will last me atleast 5-6 years xd or when i have the money to switch to am5 in 3-4+ years. Then i will probably give my little sister my old parts (just like my dad did it with me xd)
This is facts, i see people still on i7 4790s which is wild. But it all depends on how FAST the future of technology grows. Aint nobody playing GTA 6 on a 1060 and a i7 4790k. Eventually you will be forced to upgrade
it does matter, lol. there are thousands of people that have a ryzen 1600 or 3600 that now can upgrade with low cost and high performance to a 5700x3d. the same will be in a couple of years when people who got a ryzen 5 7600 can upgrade to ryzen 9800x3d or something, even if am6 is out. but if you now go for a new build and am4 you have to buy everything new. if you get am5 new now you can even if you go to am6 take ur ddr5 ram with you.
In Bulgaria am4 mobos are missing out in the market and one normall motherboard am5 is around 400 to 600 euro. And in Amazon am4 mobos are 150 to 260 Euro I am pissed off 😢😢😢
yeap, and you need to buy DDR5 instead. But the AM4 CPUs are also cheap, and the best for now is 5950X. (ok, not for games only of course). And 12Gb VRAM on such powerful GPU (4070S) is a crap))
@@marc1190 and this “futureproof” will be often not enough in the future, because something new and more productive is constantly coming out, and everything falls in price.
@@-mrws-The 5800X3D existing proves the worth of that future proofing. Having the 5800X3D as an option is equal to being able to swap a 6700K to a 12700K for just the cost of the CPU. Even a $370 5950X is great MT productivity performance for the money. The only real negative to having an early AM4 board is being limited to PCIe3.0, where as AM5 gives you fresh standards to grow into. You can have PCIe5.0 and USB4, and nothing else on the horizon is going to be real a factor in the consumer space for at least 8 years. There is a future where the EOL products for the socket are going to be equally as cheap as the AM4 options are now, for a massive relative perf bump from where the platform began.
Not asking for PC advice but I heard in an older video you read every comment, I want to say thanks for making these videos they've help me to make my very first gaming pc. So once again thank you so so much!
i disagree. Alot of people will not upgrade these components until they struggle to run games. Thus i will ALWAYS recommend the best value as of that moment and in many situations the 5800x3d is the best value you can get. Recommending upgrade paths is bait.
I disagree. Recommending upgrade path isn't bait because it is the cheaper option long term. Now, by how much is debatable and depends on a lot of factors however if you want to preach value, upgrade path should be what prioritize. The reason being is pretty self explanatory as for this example, when people do eventually upgrade as they begin to struggle to run games, ultimately their upgrades are going to be more expensive because now they have to get a new motherboard, CPU, CPU cooler if necessary, new RAM, and if necessary also a new power supply. It's far more affordable to make smaller upgrades over a longer period of time than to just buy the cheapest thing now and then having to spend double that amount later on if you want to upgrade.
Bro scared the F out of me, I thought my beloved 5800x3d was going to be roasted but good thing it didn't. Glad I got it since release to swap out my 5600x
Even a GPU 1070Ti 1080Ti can play Triple A Games this nowadays and that GPU was freaking 10 or 12 yrs old, how much more that Ryzen 5 5800x 3D was just release last year. That CPU will be going last like 10 yrs too.
If you want to save money. Just go for the 5800X3D. A cheap B450/550 for around $120 and some $80 G Skill RAM (32 GB) and you have a stable system. And at least you don’t have to worry about EXPO too.
@@Purple-Tagit’s good for your cpu but you aren’t gonna find a lot of used deals since the 4070 super is brand new but if you can find one then go for it
I literally did this combo in a new build a few days ago and have zero regrets, People always think they can keep up with the latest but thats impossible.
Exactly. The 5800X3D is about on par with the i5 13600K and 14600K. That's up to 2 generations ahead of what this chip was in competition with originally. So, for him to say you shouldn't use the 5800X3D for new builds is crazy. This thing maxes out my overclocked 7900XT with no issues and should last me at least 3 or 4 more years before an upgrade might be needed.
@@joshuapicarello Its good, yes...but only while AM5 is still overpriced. I would anticipate AM6, maybe it will finally become reasonably priced by then.
You didnt get the point, for a new build an am5 is better as it assures you you can upgrade your cpu in a few years and now that you chose am4 whenever you want to upgrade your CPU you'll also need to upgrade your motherboard, and your RAM. So yeah, nothing bad admiting you got it wrong
I am still using a 2600x with an RX 580. Definitely not new at all, but when I do upgrade I will either just get a whole new system, or hopefully by then the parts will come down in price considerably on the used market. I will worry about that when the time comes that my 2600x doesn't feel fast anymore, which for what I use it for mostly, it is.
I got this cpu recently for my rx6800 from a r5 3600 and i plan to skip am5 so i guess i made a good choice as new ram + motherboard + the cheapest am5 cpu is more expensive than the 5800x3d by quite a bit
@9nkwn I think this combo will last him long enough until AM6 comes out and his PC isn't able to play the newest games on satisfying resolution and FPS.
@@9nkwn I will be skipping any more CPU's until AMD bring back PGA. LGA is way too expensive and unreliable. Those LGA pins break so easy it isn't funny.
That still leaves no upgrade path past the 5800x3d without a full system upgrade, it just means that there's another AM4 processor to choose when upgrading from an older AM4 CPU
Honestly 7500f or 7600 are both better picks for brand new system (they basically produce same amount of frames as 5700x3d) if u can get am5 mobos for reasonable price. Also ddr5 exists in 12/24 gig variant so if 32 gig is not enough u can buy 48 (2x24) instead of 64, although for gaming I guess most ppl will choose 32 anyway.
@@Nikioko you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about so please shut up. 7600 offers 0.83 frame per dollar while 7800x3d only offer 0.61 in comparison. And about 7500f I did not recommend it because it's almost always out of stock. It's really hard to find in US.
I know future proofing technically dosent exist because we dont know what the future of technology holds but that rig you have will last hella years realistically. I have a 5800x3d and 4070ti and it shreads through everything i throw at it
I did build am4 system early 23 not going to buy decent am5 board for 500€ while i can get mobo ram 5800x3d with that price so now ill be waiting ryzen 9k and upgrade my system to am5 because of gta vi also its good time to move on am5 then because win10 security support ends in 25 so at the sametime i can do clean win11 install with new ryzen 9k i already have 7900xtx so i just sell these ram mobo cpu to someone or i keep these lets see much later
@@ItzDnZ I’m thinking of keeping my 5800x3d 4070ti until gta 6 as well lmao that was my plan . I just don’t want give up my am4 build when I upgrade i love this build too much
@@theboy2777 depends on the am5 prices here in eu i might gonna save those parts i have atm back up pc but its my old 1060 6gb r5 2600 cant run modern games anymore gta online low running under 60fps but yeah when am5 dropped it was way out of my budget range too expensive now they been lowerong prices but my new build is under a year old so not yet am5 but yeah ill do same for gta vi to get max performance
I bought 7700x and bought used RX6600. The reason why i choose weaker GPU because of elektric bill, i living with my parent. Next month i will moving to my own rent house so i wait for RDNA 4
That's exactly what I thought when I was planning my PC two days ago and I came up with the same combo. And now I'm happy because I made a good choice...
Recently upgrade my PC from a 3700x and 2070 Super to a 5800x3D and 4080 Super. It feels like a brand new PC and will for sure last me a solid 4 to 5 more years. It’s so nice having a PC that can easily do 1440p@100fps+ running RT/ultra settings for pretty much every game out right now.
This cpu will last you 10 years. This channel is weird, it's like it thinks everyone has an extra 300 dollars to spend on AM5 motherboard, cpu, and RAM
Watch the goddamn video, he said only buy it if you're already on AM4, but if you're going for a new build, AM5 would be better. For christsakes, the guy is considering a 4070 + 5800x3d, they most probably have the budget for AM5
I’ve got a 5800X and a 4070 Founders Edition. It plays literally anything I want at 1440p at 60+ FPS at high or maxed settings. I’m really happy with it and I’m sure my AM4 build will last me for several years to come.
There's a ton of youtubers out there that will give you correct info and also give you the reasoning. Just watch HUB and GN. I have no idea who this guy is.
A 7800X3D is $600AUD, a 5700X3D is $389AUD. Then you have to buy a more expensive motherboard and DDR5 RAM. If you want a budget but still performant PC, AM4 still offers great value even for new builders.
5800x3D is still gonna be a heavy contender for another 5 years probably. My buddy still rocks a 1600x and a 1080 and plays basically everything. It is 1080 but still, that's really good for how old that cpu is
even still buying am4 is a bad idea if building a new pc currently 12400f or 12600 when priced cheap is currently the best budget cpu it can be used with ddr5 ram and if you buy a solid motherboard you can upgrade in the future to cpus like 14700k or 14900k ect
@@ant5963 if u switch to intel it makes u to invest in a more expensive cpu-cooler + prob a more expensive motherboard & higher power bill too - which can in some countries make a important difference in price to still go for am4. - am5 is better the long run but that should be common logic. (& tbh intel cpu's are more expensive too - upgrading doesnt make much sense most of the time for the performance gain u get)
Buy one yourself. Pretty good keyboards regularly go on sale for like 99$. I bought a really cheap one that wasn't even on sale for 80$ once and it was pretty good. It just needed some lubrication.
@@AveragePolishTrollge if they get red switches there still mechanical but there quiet and, there the fastest reacting switches you can get. I like my clicky greens and blues switches in my boards though
Just tell em that there are competitive advantages using the mechanical keyboard. Redragon shadow blade is one of the best mech keyboard for around 30 $
Yessir, I recently got into building my own pc’s and I did a ton a research last year when I started and was looking for the best bang for my buck system to start with, I ended up getting an asus b650 motherboard, ryzen 7770x, overclocked rtx 4070, 32gb of gddr5 5600 mhz ram, 2 2tb western digital black nvme, and a 4tb Samsung ssd. For 1440p gaming it crushes literally every single game on the market. I haven’t come across a game that can make it even stutter, and knowing how upgradable it will be in the future is beautiful.
@@ostekugler45 not saying those arent good for it. I am saying that the joke ShiftBoss was trying to make was that Zach always recommends the r5 7600 for almost anything
7600/x variant or to be honest anything up to the 7800x3D or intel equivelant depending on your preference. For intel it'd probably be a 13/14600k@@ostekugler45
the problem is, if this purely gaming build you wont need cpu upgrade (nor gpu) in next 5-10 years, ppl chasing insane powers totally forgetting that gaming marked barely quitted 1060 era yesterday, there is only a couple of games demading 3070 lvl of gpu that exist/will release and usually its unoptimised garbage, ppl also forget that gaming graphics market will be cockblocked by consoles soon because its still target platform for devs (check ps4 era) choosing Ryzen 7 7800x3d instead is good for potential upgrade right, but can you even imagine the games in next 10 years that will ask for something higher? i personally cant, and esp when there is MANY of those games so you wont upgrade just for single techdemo game my advise, if you cant go overbudged with those 4070su 5800x3d (and with am5 you will need to overbudget a ton), you saved money for a long time, and you are not planning to do upgrades just for upgrades - sticking with your choice is insanely right P.S remember - gpu and cpu powers rise MUCH faster than graphics of games this days, heck i dont even know for who nvidia gonna release their 6000 and 7000 series gpus, who gonna need them from a gaming community lol? it kinda one of the reasons of 5000 series delay btw
Facts . i say future proofing dosent exist and does exist at the same time because you never know what the future is gonna hold BUT at the same time when the hell is a 3090 or 4090 gonna be obsolete? not anytime soon. Even an RTX 2080 super is comparable to a RTX 3070
@@theboy2777 as some one that build pc's since 1998 , the only time period where future proofing was advantageous was 2006-2012. Even then it only worked out because that generation of consoles held game tech back a bit longer (with how most games were designed off the lowest common denominator). any other time period , future proofing NEVER works out for the better. you wind up updating your pc only to be disapointed because even with upgraded parts , they are still not curent gen and there's always a bottle neck some where in the upgraded system. leaving you dissatisfied with what you got and realising you'd have done better to just build a whole new system any way.
Right but Just build a build that you know will run every game now and when it starts to feel like you cant even get 60 fps in story games and 100 plus in multiplayer, upgrade.@@DenverStarkey
@@theboy2777 yeah bassically what i'm saying in a nutshell. build for today not tomorrow. asny pc you build today that can handle all games at X resolution , will likely handle that resolution fine for at least 2 years, and in many cases it can handle it for 3-4 years even with only slight sacrifices .
Yes sirr facts, i play in 1080p and built a 5800x3d 32gb ram and 4070ti. way overkill for just 1080p but in no time soon do i see this build as obsolete. @@DenverStarkey
I just built my new gaming pc with a 5700x amd and a 6700xt gpu for 1000€ last month and I am really happy with it. And don't really care about future proofing as the alternative would cost like 50% more with the same quality components.
Thought about going AM4, waited just long enough to go AM5. From an i5 6600K to a Ryzen 7600X and a GTX 1080 to a RX 6900 XT was a crazy jump. I always use my PCs 7-8 years!
Picked up a 5700X3D (not 8) for 228USD, which is preposterous. Upgrading from a 5500. Typically double FPS and much stabler lows, and even some gains (10-20%) in older single-core games, which is surprising. I don't know if I would build it new, though. I only went for AM4 because I know I'm only gonna go for AM5 at EOL, or maybe even skip it if possible.
Thanks for that caveat! Of course I wanted to see your take on it. But I already own an AM4 system (2600X to 5600X). And since I'm tight on money, the extra cache will just "keep my system running for a bit longer" similar to how the i5 2500K upgrade to i7 2600K upgrade helped me a bit, once I realized a stock 2600K performed better than an even higher overclocked version than my 2500K at the time. Simply because of the extra threads.
Been running my Ryzen 7 3800X for about 5 years now and imo this thing could last another 4 years easily. (I am both a gamer and developer) But I agree with your point, It is always better to get the newest tech. That way it will actually last 8-10 years.
I was about to get really self conscious for having just bought a 5800 X3D, but then he said that it's a great choice if you're already on AM4 and you're upgrading. Phew.
I have been on the same X570 board since 2019 and have had 3x CPU upgrades ending at the 5800X3D combined with 4090. I will probably upgrade soon but the value I got out of a single board/RAM etc is unrivalled
I was plsnning on making a brand new build from the ground up and eas going eith a 5800x3d but noe ik reconeidering it. Thanks for telling me your professional opinion and view for this.
I am on said CPU coming from 3900x and 1700x before that, all in the OG X370 board from 2017. I fully plan on riding this out until DDR6 and PCIE5 are the norm. Skipping a whole generation hasn't been this easy in decades!
You're right about this. Two years ago I bought B550A-Pro, a 5600X and a 3090 Ti. I quickly upgraded to the 5800X3D, and I've been very happy with this combo. But with AM4 dead, I would only invest in AM5 if I was building a new system today. My choice would be a 7800X3D and an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I only game MSFS, and for that sim, cache is king.
Trynna cobble something fun and useful for all round gaming and e-mail surfing, I appreciate all the great tips and help can’t wait till Monday! :) but I feel like Alex Mason with trying to remember all these freaking numbers
I just got a pre built from Microcenter for $1,180 with a 4070 Super and 7800X3D. (2TB NVMe, 32G 5800, AIO water cooling...) Was $1,900 on sale for $1620, then minus 10% for open box, minus another 10% for opening new credit card, minus $50 for buying a PC, then minus $86 price match when I saw them selling another open box for 15% off instead of the 10% I got.
Got a 5700X3D and a B550 board for the simple fact that I did not want to have to buy a whole new RAM set. Works like a charm. AM4 might not have any upgradability but to downplay its cost to performance is nuts.
I had a 3800X CPU on my beloved MSI X570 Unify MB and upgraded to a 5800X3D because I wouldn't go for another MB. I instantly saw the difference in games!
Im on that boat now. Got a nice deal for my 4070 super and my nephew happened to live next to a microcenter that had a 5600x3d. Figured why not since its my last upgrade on my am4 until next release of ryzen and i can finally upgrade again. Jumping from a ryzen 3600/ 1080 gpu. To a 5600x3d and 4070 S is a gamechanger. Just with the gpu alone a lot of my games already feel better even with the bottleneck happening. I cant wait for the cpu to arrive.
Good advice, if he has the budget for the 5800x3D then it makes no sense to go for AM4 in the first place when he could throw an extra $100 and go for the combination of 7700X (20% faster) and DDR5 and AM5 mobo. I was building my brother a PC and he gave me a budget of around $500 to build it for him. I made the best I could with that budget for an AM4 build with a 5700X, and B550-A Pro motherboard. I had an extra 600w PSU and a GTX 1080 which I gave him for free until he decides to upgrade his GPU properly when the prices go down as the next gen is released. He doesn't do incremental upgrades so going for an AM5 with similar CPU performance was going to cost $150 ($45 for CPU, $35 for RAM, and about $80 for the mobo) extra which was quite a bit over the budget. For reference, he was using an old i5 3rd gen PC with a 1660S GPU and DDR3 RAM. I like to use CPU Benchmark to compare all CPUs of a certain socket type, and PC Parts Picker to evaluate total prices (I add tax in the cost manually). My personal next build is going to be an AM5 (goodbye intel). I will likely wait until next year when the prices of the 7900 CPUs go down.
I started my ryzen journey with a 2700x, then a couple years ago I upgraded to a 5600x. Last week I replaced my 2070 super with a 4070 and the 5600x can't push the frames to it fast enough so after some research I decided to go with the 5800x3d for the very reasons you described in this short.
I have a Ryzen 7 7700X with an RTX 4080 and 32GB 6000MHz DDR5 RAM. Before that I had a PC with an i7 3770, GTX 680 and 8GB RAM. Best new build and jump in hardware I've ever made. Can finally play every game on high(est) graphics settings.
I was expecting you to slag it but, yeah. Makes sense. I had a 3900X. Perfectly solid chip. But certain games I play make better use of the cache in the 5800X3D. Made sense for me to upgrade directly to it.
Upgraded from 3600 to 5800X3D just this week. Wow what a difference. I'm seeing between 100 to 150% performance increase in my main game which is iRacing (paired with an RTX 3080). My 3600 was running with boosted voltage and all-core overclock of 4.4GHz. My undervolted 5800X3D blows it out of the water and is actually using less power than my 3600 in iRacing.
Already had a 3700x and 3080 build from 2020. Bought a 5800x3d bundle including b550 asus tuf 2 WiFi board and 16gb ram for 329. I kept the 58003d for my 3080 and took rest of new parts and my old chip and started a build for my 11 year old. Last thing to get is graphics card going with 6750xt.
7500f + 32g + a620 used is almost the same price at my place as ONLY 5800x3d(350 vs 300), not including ram and mobo, so it's cheaper for almost the same performance. Thou 5700x3d for 230 seems much more interesting than 5800x3d. p.s. sold my am4 to move to am5
I built mine a couple of years ago and when the 5800x3d came out I bought one. I had the MB about 3 months earlier from ebay a X570 Gaming Plus by MSI for 99.00 bucks and 32 gigs of ddr4 3600 cl16 corsair for 110.00. The case and PSU I already had. After a Bios update it has worked with not issues. GFX are a A770 16gb card and I haven't looked back. Nvidia is WAY to much for me dollar wise and with driver updates my SYS is very happy!
I actually just made this build new last month. I did it anyway because I saved 180 dollars using a microcenter bundle plus the am4 motherboard and ram cost much less allowing me to stay on budget.
I have to agree completely with this build. As someone that just upgraded from a 2600x and a 2070 super to the 5800X3D and a 4080 super; the only reason I went with the 5800X3D was the fact I didn't want to be force into upgrade the mobo and ram as well. I would've essentially had to have an entirely new build. So, I got the 5800X3D to avoid a fresh build. Though, if I wasn't just upgrading, I would've went with the newer socket.
Bought a r5-3600 with x570 in 2019, upgrade to an 5800x3d a couple of months ago + a 4070ti, and i feel this setup could reach nearly 2029 without struggling too much. 10 year plattform. Props to AMD.
Yes the 5800x3d is on a dead playform. Its also still a BEAST of a cpu and will last you well into AM5's lifespan. Id personally still consider it a viable option until ddr5 and lets say the 8th gen Zen CPU's are being phased out.
I've been waiting for the 4080 super. The 4070ti super is way too damn close to a 4080. Ended up just ordering a 4090 for actual retail price and not inflated
@WCGwkf apologies I didn't see the super bit, but btw there's a quite a difference between the 4070ti super and the vanilla 4080 which I have, and basically negligible difference between the 4080/4080 super.
you're absolutely right, however, if you don't have the budget to cover an entire am5 kit with ddr5, then the best way to go is with the ryzen 7 5800x3D. It may not be future proof but your gpu will and the a new case aswell. (if you go for a bit one.) This'll last you a decade and afterwards, you'll go for the newest and hopefully can afford it then!
Fun fact. I had been sitting on my Ryzen 3600 waiting for used 5800x3d prices to come down until I ran across a 5800x for $120 early last year. Thought that was my final form AM4 rig. Then last weekend I picked up a 5800x3d and Radeon 6700xt combo used for $350 and promptly chucked that bitch in my rig. GPU to be flipped with the old cpu. Good times.
Those were crazy good deals !
Someone needed drug money asap i guess
Bruh US prices are crazy... 0 used 5800X3Ds in Canada and MSRP is $420 CAD
@@boopy123 Yeah, I kinda felt obligated to pick them up. Local facebook pc gaming groups can be goldmines (or toxic as hell)
@@bullet996 nah, these are definitely not the norm. I've seen ebay sold prices for the x3d chip and they are pretty much the same as new so I didn't think I'd come across one. Definitely jumped on it and met same day he listed it.
Me watching this with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D: 🗿
Same actually
Noice
Me with i5-3470
You got me beat dude I got 7 5800x and am trying to find my gpu limit and no one wants to say
@@Gwslah2if your on an xps 8500 you can up upgrade to a used I7-3770 chip and pair it with a 1660 super to a pretty decent experience.
Upgraded from the 1700x to the 5800x3D over the holidays. Greatest decision I made. My performance has tripled in some cases and I didn't have to change anything. Gives my 7 year old AM4 setup new life. Probably wont have to upgrade again until AM6 comes out.
That's a big change. I'm going from 2600 to a 5800x3d. What GPU are you on?
@@kevin.malone 6800xt
Got myself a new rig with R9 5900X in may 2022, but kept using my GTX980 in it until Dec 2023.
Got myself an RX 7900 XTX for christmas, I now play "The Last Of Us part I" in 4K on ultra settings... :-)
@@kevin.malone I’m using the 6800xt. I think I got it over the summer. It helped a little but changing the CPU is where it was like having a whole new computer
I'm using my 1700X in my HTPC, which my kids play games on. I have a 5600X3D sitting around to slap into that computer.
I literally knew he'd say these exact words when i saw the title 💀
Biggest issue with 5800x3d has actually become its popularity. Its motherboards are a scam. DDR4 motherboards should ALL run 3200 stock now, but now you are forking over more than the CPU's price to get native 3200. Motherboard makers are actively fking consumers over with AM4
DDR4 is also right up there with DDR5 pricing wise because of this
Yep gotta milk obvious situational advice with an inflammatory title. I'm not sure I even blame him, this is the new reality of even being seen on YT as they try to become TikTok with shorts.
@@6mtzhp55 true. Thing is though, it's obvious to you but might not be for everyone, especially if they're asking questions like these...
Ryzen 7 7800x3d gang represent! 🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽🙋🏽
Nah. Ryzen 5 7600x
@@3katdI literally got one today 😅
All ready set go for 7800x3d then suddenly saw intel 13700k and 14700k😅 and realized the god tier perfection
Isn’t that the one that melts or explodes
Nah Ryzen 7600 regular
i'm on am4 b550, and upgraded to a 5800x3d end of 22. With a high end 4000 or 5000 series gpu or amd, later in 2024/25, this am4 build will last me fine for at least a couple more years!
Sitting happy with my 5800x3d paired with a 6800xt. Going to be a long time before I need to build an entirely new rig.
@@FellowshipOfTheAviatorZ 3600 and 2070 Super just upgraded the 3600 to the 5800x3D to extend the life of my performance levels!
@@richardcheese9152 Nice choice, it's an incredible chip!
Mid last year I paired the 5800x3d with an rtx 4080,that should just fine for the next few years.
I also got a b550 with a 7 5700x and a rx6600 (upgrade to my 10 yo pc with r9 270x and a i5 6500) and i think this will last me atleast 5-6 years xd or when i have the money to switch to am5 in 3-4+ years. Then i will probably give my little sister my old parts (just like my dad did it with me xd)
It doesnt matter if theres no upgrade path. Most people dont upgrade their cpu until a nee chipset is out anyway
This is facts, i see people still on i7 4790s which is wild. But it all depends on how FAST the future of technology grows. Aint nobody playing GTA 6 on a 1060 and a i7 4790k. Eventually you will be forced to upgrade
But the new chipset is out, and it's going to be in use for a far longer time. It's ultimately the more affordable route.
it does matter, lol. there are thousands of people that have a ryzen 1600 or 3600 that now can upgrade with low cost and high performance to a 5700x3d. the same will be in a couple of years when people who got a ryzen 5 7600 can upgrade to ryzen 9800x3d or something, even if am6 is out. but if you now go for a new build and am4 you have to buy everything new. if you get am5 new now you can even if you go to am6 take ur ddr5 ram with you.
Holy shit you're onto something. "Go upgrade path only if you plan to upgrade"
intel user dont even knew there is upgrade path lol
I have a 4070ti and 5800x3d. Best CPU and GPU combo imo
The 5900x is cheaper (than the 5800x3d) where I am, is it pretty much same same vs the 5800x3d?
@@julianostadlmann Yes and no. If you're just gaming, the 5800x3D. If you're gaming/streaming go with the 5900x.
5800x3d is the best you can buy for games without a doubt, even if you are going to build a new PC from buying it
@@DAG42085 Depends if he's gonna stream tho
@@TTV_Breezer You are right that's why I say only for games, 5800x3d is the way
AM5 is like twice the prices tho, at least where I live
In Bulgaria am4 mobos are missing out in the market and one normall motherboard am5 is around 400 to 600 euro. And in Amazon am4 mobos are 150 to 260 Euro I am pissed off 😢😢😢
yeap, and you need to buy DDR5 instead.
But the AM4 CPUs are also cheap, and the best for now is 5950X. (ok, not for games only of course).
And 12Gb VRAM on such powerful GPU (4070S) is a crap))
Yep, everything am5 is considerably more money though and imo the future proofing isnt worth it for most average people
@@marc1190 and this “futureproof” will be often not enough in the future, because something new and more productive is constantly coming out, and everything falls in price.
@@-mrws-The 5800X3D existing proves the worth of that future proofing. Having the 5800X3D as an option is equal to being able to swap a 6700K to a 12700K for just the cost of the CPU. Even a $370 5950X is great MT productivity performance for the money. The only real negative to having an early AM4 board is being limited to PCIe3.0, where as AM5 gives you fresh standards to grow into. You can have PCIe5.0 and USB4, and nothing else on the horizon is going to be real a factor in the consumer space for at least 8 years. There is a future where the EOL products for the socket are going to be equally as cheap as the AM4 options are now, for a massive relative perf bump from where the platform began.
Not asking for PC advice but I heard in an older video you read every comment, I want to say thanks for making these videos they've help me to make my very first gaming pc. So once again thank you so so much!
i disagree. Alot of people will not upgrade these components until they struggle to run games. Thus i will ALWAYS recommend the best value as of that moment and in many situations the 5800x3d is the best value you can get. Recommending upgrade paths is bait.
I agree
5800x3d is the best you can buy for games without a doubt, even if you are going to build a new PC from buying it
I think it depends where are you from, some places you get older parts for cheaper, while in other places in the world old parts are never cheaper.
Nope. Even if you don't upgrade after 5 years, 7800X3D is better. And if you want to upgrade eventually, AM5 is a no-brainer.
I disagree. Recommending upgrade path isn't bait because it is the cheaper option long term. Now, by how much is debatable and depends on a lot of factors however if you want to preach value, upgrade path should be what prioritize. The reason being is pretty self explanatory as for this example, when people do eventually upgrade as they begin to struggle to run games, ultimately their upgrades are going to be more expensive because now they have to get a new motherboard, CPU, CPU cooler if necessary, new RAM, and if necessary also a new power supply. It's far more affordable to make smaller upgrades over a longer period of time than to just buy the cheapest thing now and then having to spend double that amount later on if you want to upgrade.
Bro scared the F out of me, I thought my beloved 5800x3d was going to be roasted but good thing it didn't. Glad I got it since release to swap out my 5600x
Nah you good bro the 5800x3d is a beast of a chip
5800x3d everything you need to play for 4 or 5 more years
Even a GPU 1070Ti 1080Ti can play Triple A Games this nowadays and that GPU was freaking 10 or 12 yrs old, how much more that Ryzen 5 5800x 3D was just release last year. That CPU will be going last like 10 yrs too.
Mine can run anything I wanna do with it. I don't get many times when I can do these upgrades so I run the same configs for a long time.
If you want to save money. Just go for the 5800X3D. A cheap B450/550 for around $120 and some $80 G Skill RAM (32 GB) and you have a stable system. And at least you don’t have to worry about EXPO too.
Thanks for this recommendation I JUST picked up my 4070 super today and was shopping for the right cpu 🙌🏾
For how much?
@@DefinitelyAreothey typically go for 600-650
@@DefinitelyAreo $600 plus tax
how much for a used 4070 and is that good with a i5 12600k i cant decide
@@Purple-Tagit’s good for your cpu but you aren’t gonna find a lot of used deals since the 4070 super is brand new but if you can find one then go for it
Reminder that he advertises shady antivirus companies without disclosing it as an ad.
Wait, that's illegal
And keeps yapping on about AM5 as if AM4 is completely dead or if it gives a supermassive boost to performance, but it doesn't seem to do that
@@vinson3725 he is talking about PRICE TO PREFORMANCE and UPGRADABILITY
@@vinson3725then your lying to yourself
When was this?
I literally did this combo in a new build a few days ago and have zero regrets, People always think they can keep up with the latest but thats impossible.
Exactly. The 5800X3D is about on par with the i5 13600K and 14600K. That's up to 2 generations ahead of what this chip was in competition with originally. So, for him to say you shouldn't use the 5800X3D for new builds is crazy. This thing maxes out my overclocked 7900XT with no issues and should last me at least 3 or 4 more years before an upgrade might be needed.
@@joshuapicarello Its good, yes...but only while AM5 is still overpriced. I would anticipate AM6, maybe it will finally become reasonably priced by then.
You didnt get the point, for a new build an am5 is better as it assures you you can upgrade your cpu in a few years and now that you chose am4 whenever you want to upgrade your CPU you'll also need to upgrade your motherboard, and your RAM.
So yeah, nothing bad admiting you got it wrong
@@joshuaestrada1733You're also missing the guy's point. Future proofing was not a part of their plan.
I am still using a 2600x with an RX 580. Definitely not new at all, but when I do upgrade I will either just get a whole new system, or hopefully by then the parts will come down in price considerably on the used market. I will worry about that when the time comes that my 2600x doesn't feel fast anymore, which for what I use it for mostly, it is.
I got this cpu recently for my rx6800 from a r5 3600 and i plan to skip am5 so i guess i made a good choice as new ram + motherboard + the cheapest am5 cpu is more expensive than the 5800x3d by quite a bit
Skip am5? So you want to wait ~6 years until you buy a new CPU?
Skipping AM5 is Nemesis. The final Bossfight
@9nkwn I think this combo will last him long enough until AM6 comes out and his PC isn't able to play the newest games on satisfying resolution and FPS.
@@9nkwn I will be skipping any more CPU's until AMD bring back PGA. LGA is way too expensive and unreliable. Those LGA pins break so easy it isn't funny.
Yup skipping am5..I have this setup and it'll last a few years
*laughs in upcoming 5700x3D
That still leaves no upgrade path past the 5800x3d without a full system upgrade, it just means that there's another AM4 processor to choose when upgrading from an older AM4 CPU
AM4 is still very much alive in 2024. Just buy a new cheap motherboard and you have an amazingly fast PC for a low price.
That's the best choice RN for an AM4 last upgrade.
Buddy that’s a binned down 5800x3d not an upgrade path
Honestly 7500f or 7600 are both better picks for brand new system (they basically produce same amount of frames as 5700x3d) if u can get am5 mobos for reasonable price. Also ddr5 exists in 12/24 gig variant so if 32 gig is not enough u can buy 48 (2x24) instead of 64, although for gaming I guess most ppl will choose 32 anyway.
I felt so seen when you mentioned the 3600 - 5700x3D was a good choice, as that was my exact upgrade path
Ryzen 5 7600 peforms very identical to 5800x3D in terms of gaming performance, and it's also a very budget friendly option.
Go either for 7500F or 7800X3D. They have the best values. No need to go for 7600.
@@Nikioko only showing your ignorance by saying that.
@@Clown-tf8jp Nope, just showing that I understand how to read benchmarks and calculate benefit-price ratios.
@@Nikioko you clearly don't have any idea what you're talking about so please shut up. 7600 offers 0.83 frame per dollar while 7800x3d only offer 0.61 in comparison. And about 7500f I did not recommend it because it's almost always out of stock. It's really hard to find in US.
@@Nikioko good thing you realized you're wrong and copped out
I'd prefer to wait for next gen of am5 cpus. And till then, to sit out this period , my 3 year old b550 and 5800x3D will be just fine(using 4080 btw)
I know future proofing technically dosent exist because we dont know what the future of technology holds but that rig you have will last hella years realistically. I have a 5800x3d and 4070ti and it shreads through everything i throw at it
@@theboy2777
*shrugs*
I guess we'll see
I did build am4 system early 23 not going to buy decent am5 board for 500€ while i can get mobo ram 5800x3d with that price so now ill be waiting ryzen 9k and upgrade my system to am5 because of gta vi also its good time to move on am5 then because win10 security support ends in 25 so at the sametime i can do clean win11 install with new ryzen 9k i already have 7900xtx so i just sell these ram mobo cpu to someone or i keep these lets see much later
@@ItzDnZ I’m thinking of keeping my 5800x3d 4070ti until gta 6 as well lmao that was my plan . I just don’t want give up my am4 build when I upgrade i love this build too much
@@theboy2777 depends on the am5 prices here in eu i might gonna save those parts i have atm back up pc but its my old 1060 6gb r5 2600 cant run modern games anymore gta online low running under 60fps but yeah when am5 dropped it was way out of my budget range too expensive now they been lowerong prices but my new build is under a year old so not yet am5 but yeah ill do same for gta vi to get max performance
Upgraded to Ryzen 7 7700x and got a 4070 super last week. Can confirm it makes short work of 1440p
W did you get the 7700x because of personal reasons or did you find a really good deal on it?
@@kingiument4627 Got a really good deal on it during Black Friday
Nice choice. I was also thinking of same.
Got a Ryzen 9 5900X, with RX 7900 XTX...
Currently playing "The last of us part I", in 4k on ultra settings...
That game does really look amazing...
I bought 7700x and bought used RX6600. The reason why i choose weaker GPU because of elektric bill, i living with my parent.
Next month i will moving to my own rent house so i wait for RDNA 4
That's exactly what I thought when I was planning my PC two days ago and I came up with the same combo. And now I'm happy because I made a good choice...
Recently upgrade my PC from a 3700x and 2070 Super to a 5800x3D and 4080 Super. It feels like a brand new PC and will for sure last me a solid 4 to 5 more years. It’s so nice having a PC that can easily do 1440p@100fps+ running RT/ultra settings for pretty much every game out right now.
This cpu will last you 10 years. This channel is weird, it's like it thinks everyone has an extra 300 dollars to spend on AM5 motherboard, cpu, and RAM
Watch the goddamn video, he said only buy it if you're already on AM4, but if you're going for a new build, AM5 would be better. For christsakes, the guy is considering a 4070 + 5800x3d, they most probably have the budget for AM5
5800x3d=300-320$
7600+b650= 200+120
with the money from buying the 550 or 450 mb and the ram you can get a 32 gbs ddr5 ram sticks.
I don’t upgrade cpu till it’s weak, usually I change whole platform without an upgrade, I assume that’s better than buy a lot of junk
I’ve got a 5800X and a 4070 Founders Edition. It plays literally anything I want at 1440p at 60+ FPS at high or maxed settings. I’m really happy with it and I’m sure my AM4 build will last me for several years to come.
Perfect and straightforward advice as always!!
Dude is one of the only youtubers just being like - HEY this is how it is.
There's a ton of youtubers out there that will give you correct info and also give you the reasoning. Just watch HUB and GN. I have no idea who this guy is.
and he is wrong because hey every intel generation is just like that and given then AM4 is pretty cheap its not a bad choice
Maybe you should check a bit more people..
A 7800X3D is $600AUD, a 5700X3D is $389AUD. Then you have to buy a more expensive motherboard and DDR5 RAM. If you want a budget but still performant PC, AM4 still offers great value even for new builders.
stop reminding me how trash our conversion rates are
@@Strangetbh they seem normal? 7800x3d is 410€ for me, which converts to 675 AUD
5800x3D is still gonna be a heavy contender for another 5 years probably. My buddy still rocks a 1600x and a 1080 and plays basically everything. It is 1080 but still, that's really good for how old that cpu is
I bought a 5800x and a b550 mobo 6 months ago.
Yes, the 7800x was out but the prices were (and still are) a lot higher
U forgot the part where the am5 platform together with ddr5 is much more expensive
+1
Wow, the most latest up to date socket is the most expensive? Shocker 😂
even still buying am4 is a bad idea if building a new pc currently 12400f or 12600 when priced cheap is currently the best budget cpu it can be used with ddr5 ram and if you buy a solid motherboard you can upgrade in the future to cpus like 14700k or 14900k ect
@@ant5963 if u switch to intel it makes u to invest in a more expensive cpu-cooler + prob a more expensive motherboard & higher power bill too - which can in some countries make a important difference in price to still go for am4. - am5 is better the long run but that should be common logic. (& tbh intel cpu's are more expensive too - upgrading doesnt make much sense most of the time for the performance gain u get)
@@Vss077 motherboard costs the same as a am4 board ram is slightly more sop buying ddr 4 makes 0 sence now the 12400f is the same price as a 5600
Can you convince my parents to bug me a mechanical keyboard?
Dude facts my parents think they’re too loud so they got me a membrane
My parents dont even know what a mechanical keyboard is 💀
Buy one yourself. Pretty good keyboards regularly go on sale for like 99$.
I bought a really cheap one that wasn't even on sale for 80$ once and it was pretty good.
It just needed some lubrication.
@@AveragePolishTrollge if they get red switches there still mechanical but there quiet and, there the fastest reacting switches you can get. I like my clicky greens and blues switches in my boards though
Just tell em that there are competitive advantages using the mechanical keyboard. Redragon shadow blade is one of the best mech keyboard for around 30 $
ive been considering upgrading r7 5800x3d from r5 3600 thanks for the insight now im confident to upgrade. :)
Yessir, I recently got into building my own pc’s and I did a ton a research last year when I started and was looking for the best bang for my buck system to start with, I ended up getting an asus b650 motherboard, ryzen 7770x, overclocked rtx 4070, 32gb of gddr5 5600 mhz ram, 2 2tb western digital black nvme, and a 4tb Samsung ssd. For 1440p gaming it crushes literally every single game on the market. I haven’t come across a game that can make it even stutter, and knowing how upgradable it will be in the future is beautiful.
Then i guess he recommends a ryzen 5 7600 and rtx 4070 super
@@Nitrogengoatedi don’t think you got the joke..
@@karvajamal So what cpu for 4070 super?
@@ostekugler45 not saying those arent good for it. I am saying that the joke ShiftBoss was trying to make was that Zach always recommends the r5 7600 for almost anything
@@karvajamalI mean to be fair it is a damn good value cpu
7600/x variant or to be honest anything up to the 7800x3D or intel equivelant depending on your preference.
For intel it'd probably be a 13/14600k@@ostekugler45
the problem is, if this purely gaming build you wont need cpu upgrade (nor gpu) in next 5-10 years, ppl chasing insane powers totally forgetting that gaming marked barely quitted 1060 era yesterday, there is only a couple of games demading 3070 lvl of gpu that exist/will release and usually its unoptimised garbage, ppl also forget that gaming graphics market will be cockblocked by consoles soon because its still target platform for devs (check ps4 era)
choosing Ryzen 7 7800x3d instead is good for potential upgrade right, but can you even imagine the games in next 10 years that will ask for something higher? i personally cant, and esp when there is MANY of those games so you wont upgrade just for single techdemo game
my advise, if you cant go overbudged with those 4070su 5800x3d (and with am5 you will need to overbudget a ton), you saved money for a long time, and you are not planning to do upgrades just for upgrades - sticking with your choice is insanely right
P.S remember - gpu and cpu powers rise MUCH faster than graphics of games this days, heck i dont even know for who nvidia gonna release their 6000 and 7000 series gpus, who gonna need them from a gaming community lol? it kinda one of the reasons of 5000 series delay btw
Facts . i say future proofing dosent exist and does exist at the same time because you never know what the future is gonna hold BUT at the same time when the hell is a 3090 or 4090 gonna be obsolete? not anytime soon. Even an RTX 2080 super is comparable to a RTX 3070
@@theboy2777 as some one that build pc's since 1998 , the only time period where future proofing was advantageous was 2006-2012. Even then it only worked out because that generation of consoles held game tech back a bit longer (with how most games were designed off the lowest common denominator).
any other time period , future proofing NEVER works out for the better. you wind up updating your pc only to be disapointed because even with upgraded parts , they are still not curent gen and there's always a bottle neck some where in the upgraded system. leaving you dissatisfied with what you got and realising you'd have done better to just build a whole new system any way.
Right but Just build a build that you know will run every game now and when it starts to feel like you cant even get 60 fps in story games and 100 plus in multiplayer, upgrade.@@DenverStarkey
@@theboy2777 yeah bassically what i'm saying in a nutshell. build for today not tomorrow. asny pc you build today that can handle all games at X resolution , will likely handle that resolution fine for at least 2 years, and in many cases it can handle it for 3-4 years even with only slight sacrifices .
Yes sirr facts, i play in 1080p and built a 5800x3d 32gb ram and 4070ti. way overkill for just 1080p but in no time soon do i see this build as obsolete. @@DenverStarkey
I'm planing to make my first build with am4 socket because i'm on a tight budget.
Misleading clickbait title, but solid advice! I’m on AM4, R5 3600 and 2060 Super. Planning to get 5800x3D and 4070 Super soon!
That’s the only thing he asked ! Buddy didn’t say he wanted to upgrade
well u don't know what situation he really is so better to answer the question in multiple point of views.
@@killzonefury619 don’t matter he asked about the 5800x3D
@@freshmoney899it does matter because there is nuance to everything.
@@BaldKiwi117 300 vs 700+ I’m sure that’s a easy choice and the 5800x3d is a upgrade for him !
omg get off mommy's tablet @@freshmoney899
I have a Ryzen 5 5600X and a Radeon 6700 XT what should my next upgrade be?
Save the money for a while
It called fsr3😊
A girlfriend.
I just built my new gaming pc with a 5700x amd and a 6700xt gpu for 1000€ last month and I am really happy with it. And don't really care about future proofing as the alternative would cost like 50% more with the same quality components.
Thought about going AM4, waited just long enough to go AM5. From an i5 6600K to a Ryzen 7600X and a GTX 1080 to a RX 6900 XT was a crazy jump. I always use my PCs 7-8 years!
Spot on man. Am4 here. R7 5800x3d and 7900xt is a beast for my 1440 build, and will be for years to come.
Picked up a 5700X3D (not 8) for 228USD, which is preposterous. Upgrading from a 5500. Typically double FPS and much stabler lows, and even some gains (10-20%) in older single-core games, which is surprising.
I don't know if I would build it new, though. I only went for AM4 because I know I'm only gonna go for AM5 at EOL, or maybe even skip it if possible.
Thanks for that caveat! Of course I wanted to see your take on it. But I already own an AM4 system (2600X to 5600X). And since I'm tight on money, the extra cache will just "keep my system running for a bit longer" similar to how the i5 2500K upgrade to i7 2600K upgrade helped me a bit, once I realized a stock 2600K performed better than an even higher overclocked version than my 2500K at the time. Simply because of the extra threads.
Been running my Ryzen 7 3800X for about 5 years now and imo this thing could last another 4 years easily. (I am both a gamer and developer)
But I agree with your point, It is always better to get the newest tech. That way it will actually last 8-10 years.
I was about to get really self conscious for having just bought a 5800 X3D, but then he said that it's a great choice if you're already on AM4 and you're upgrading. Phew.
I have been on the same X570 board since 2019 and have had 3x CPU upgrades ending at the 5800X3D combined with 4090. I will probably upgrade soon but the value I got out of a single board/RAM etc is unrivalled
I was plsnning on making a brand new build from the ground up and eas going eith a 5800x3d but noe ik reconeidering it. Thanks for telling me your professional opinion and view for this.
I am on said CPU coming from 3900x and 1700x before that, all in the OG X370 board from 2017. I fully plan on riding this out until DDR6 and PCIE5 are the norm. Skipping a whole generation hasn't been this easy in decades!
For those on x370 or b350 boards you should be able to run a 5800x3d (if your motherboard manufacturer added support for it)
You're right about this. Two years ago I bought B550A-Pro, a 5600X and a 3090 Ti. I quickly upgraded to the 5800X3D, and I've been very happy with this combo. But with AM4 dead, I would only invest in AM5 if I was building a new system today. My choice would be a 7800X3D and an RTX 4070 Ti Super. I only game MSFS, and for that sim, cache is king.
Trynna cobble something fun and useful for all round gaming and e-mail surfing, I appreciate all the great tips and help can’t wait till Monday! :) but I feel like Alex Mason with trying to remember all these freaking numbers
I just got a pre built from Microcenter for $1,180 with a 4070 Super and 7800X3D. (2TB NVMe, 32G 5800, AIO water cooling...)
Was $1,900 on sale for $1620, then minus 10% for open box, minus another 10% for opening new credit card, minus $50 for buying a PC, then minus $86 price match when I saw them selling another open box for 15% off instead of the 10% I got.
It's still pretty early in AM5 DDR 5. The Ryzen 9 AM4 is so incredibly discounted right now.
After watching shorts everyday I knew what you were going to tell in this video
Got a 5700X3D and a B550 board for the simple fact that I did not want to have to buy a whole new RAM set. Works like a charm. AM4 might not have any upgradability but to downplay its cost to performance is nuts.
I had a 3800X CPU on my beloved MSI X570 Unify MB and upgraded to a 5800X3D because I wouldn't go for another MB. I instantly saw the difference in games!
Im on that boat now. Got a nice deal for my 4070 super and my nephew happened to live next to a microcenter that had a 5600x3d. Figured why not since its my last upgrade on my am4 until next release of ryzen and i can finally upgrade again.
Jumping from a ryzen 3600/ 1080 gpu.
To a 5600x3d and 4070 S is a gamechanger. Just with the gpu alone a lot of my games already feel better even with the bottleneck happening. I cant wait for the cpu to arrive.
ZTT when he hears about something called "budget"
Zach is speaking facts yet again, i love all the information he puts out for the community!
Good advice, if he has the budget for the 5800x3D then it makes no sense to go for AM4 in the first place when he could throw an extra $100 and go for the combination of 7700X (20% faster) and DDR5 and AM5 mobo.
I was building my brother a PC and he gave me a budget of around $500 to build it for him. I made the best I could with that budget for an AM4 build with a 5700X, and B550-A Pro motherboard. I had an extra 600w PSU and a GTX 1080 which I gave him for free until he decides to upgrade his GPU properly when the prices go down as the next gen is released. He doesn't do incremental upgrades so going for an AM5 with similar CPU performance was going to cost $150 ($45 for CPU, $35 for RAM, and about $80 for the mobo) extra which was quite a bit over the budget. For reference, he was using an old i5 3rd gen PC with a 1660S GPU and DDR3 RAM.
I like to use CPU Benchmark to compare all CPUs of a certain socket type, and PC Parts Picker to evaluate total prices (I add tax in the cost manually).
My personal next build is going to be an AM5 (goodbye intel). I will likely wait until next year when the prices of the 7900 CPUs go down.
I started my ryzen journey with a 2700x, then a couple years ago I upgraded to a 5600x. Last week I replaced my 2070 super with a 4070 and the 5600x can't push the frames to it fast enough so after some research I decided to go with the 5800x3d for the very reasons you described in this short.
I just bought a pre-built with a 4070 super and 7600x CPU. Can't wait to try it out.
Welp AM4s life has been expanded :))
I have a Ryzen 7 7700X with an RTX 4080 and 32GB 6000MHz DDR5 RAM. Before that I had a PC with an i7 3770, GTX 680 and 8GB RAM. Best new build and jump in hardware I've ever made. Can finally play every game on high(est) graphics settings.
Bro, i'm from FX8320e to 7700x. It's basically 100% IPC jump or 2x performance.
I won't upgrade my PC until AM7
I was expecting you to slag it but, yeah. Makes sense. I had a 3900X. Perfectly solid chip. But certain games I play make better use of the cache in the 5800X3D. Made sense for me to upgrade directly to it.
This gave me everything i needed for me to upgrade my core, recently bought a 7900xtx and am still rocking a r5 3600 so its time ti upgrade 🥳
Upgraded from 3600 to 5800X3D just this week. Wow what a difference. I'm seeing between 100 to 150% performance increase in my main game which is iRacing (paired with an RTX 3080).
My 3600 was running with boosted voltage and all-core overclock of 4.4GHz. My undervolted 5800X3D blows it out of the water and is actually using less power than my 3600 in iRacing.
I’ll have to start sharing this vid on reddit when I get into arguments about “5800x3d is still good”
You'll just end up losing the argument if you have to send them a youtube short to prove your point.
5800X3D is the final form of my AM4 build with 3070TI. Doubt I am gonna replace it anytime soon. Its still a pretty beastly combo
watching this reel on my core 2 duo pc
Already had a 3700x and 3080 build from 2020. Bought a 5800x3d bundle including b550 asus tuf 2 WiFi board and 16gb ram for 329. I kept the 58003d for my 3080 and took rest of new parts and my old chip and started a build for my 11 year old. Last thing to get is graphics card going with 6750xt.
RUclipsrs keep making this comment but people keep buying AM4 MBs. Realize that EVEN IF you buy AM4 is cost effective and RUclipsrs can't do math.
7500f + 32g + a620 used is almost the same price at my place as ONLY 5800x3d(350 vs 300), not including ram and mobo, so it's cheaper for almost the same performance. Thou 5700x3d for 230 seems much more interesting than 5800x3d.
p.s. sold my am4 to move to am5
I've had my build for a bit now with a 5600x and a MSI B550 mobo. I love the upgrade I did to the 5800X3D and 7900XT
This guys advice is really hit or miss lol
the title is "why you shouldn't use the ryzen 7 5800x3d" if im correctly
I do miss my under 10 second boots on AM4 but 7800x3d is life.
I built mine a couple of years ago and when the 5800x3d came out I bought one. I had the MB about 3 months earlier from ebay a X570 Gaming Plus by MSI for 99.00 bucks and 32 gigs of ddr4 3600 cl16 corsair for 110.00. The case and PSU I already had. After a Bios update it has worked with not issues. GFX are a A770 16gb card and I haven't looked back. Nvidia is WAY to much for me dollar wise and with driver updates my SYS is very happy!
I actually just made this build new last month. I did it anyway because I saved 180 dollars using a microcenter bundle plus the am4 motherboard and ram cost much less allowing me to stay on budget.
Great info for sure. Cause I am upgrading to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D because I'm not doing a new build. If I were I'd def be going with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Microcenter in St David, PA me has the 5800x3D for $280, or a CPU, Mobo and RAM combo deal for an extra $50. Guess I’m gonna have two PC now 🤷🏻♂️
i upgraded from a ryzen 7 3700x to a 5800x3d and from a 2060 to a 3070 hoping in the future to get parts for a whole new build
I have to agree completely with this build.
As someone that just upgraded from a 2600x and a 2070 super to the 5800X3D and a 4080 super; the only reason I went with the 5800X3D was the fact I didn't want to be force into upgrade the mobo and ram as well. I would've essentially had to have an entirely new build. So, I got the 5800X3D to avoid a fresh build.
Though, if I wasn't just upgrading, I would've went with the newer socket.
Bought a r5-3600 with x570 in 2019, upgrade to an 5800x3d a couple of months ago + a 4070ti, and i feel this setup could reach nearly 2029 without struggling too much. 10 year plattform. Props to AMD.
Im here still rocking my 5600x paired up with my Asus 1060 dual 6GB lmfao prices are still ridiculously high even in the used market.
9900k just chillin while the 6900 xt does its thang at 4k 😎.
Yes the 5800x3d is on a dead playform. Its also still a BEAST of a cpu and will last you well into AM5's lifespan. Id personally still consider it a viable option until ddr5 and lets say the 8th gen Zen CPU's are being phased out.
I've been waiting for the 4080 super. The 4070ti super is way too damn close to a 4080. Ended up just ordering a 4090 for actual retail price and not inflated
The 4070ti is miles away from a 4080, and the 4080 super is basically a 4080, 2-5% faster.....
@@rambosausage8881 4070 ti is not the same as a 4070 ti super. It literally has a 4080 die in it
@WCGwkf apologies I didn't see the super bit, but btw there's a quite a difference between the 4070ti super and the vanilla 4080 which I have, and basically negligible difference between the 4080/4080 super.
The super on the end of 4080 basically means "cheaper" 3% if that it's a mild overclock in terms of difference.
I have a gigabyte b350 m from my original r5 1500x build from 7 years ago and with a bios update it supports a cpu made a year ago . Amazing
Upgraded from 1800X to 5800X3D on X370.
This CPU is a beast.
Wild. I literally have that motherboard, had a r5 3600, and upgraded to a 5800x3d lmao
you're absolutely right, however, if you don't have the budget to cover an entire am5 kit with ddr5, then the best way to go is with the ryzen 7 5800x3D. It may not be future proof but your gpu will and the a new case aswell. (if you go for a bit one.) This'll last you a decade and afterwards, you'll go for the newest and hopefully can afford it then!
Cost for AM5 build in CAD funds is prohibitive for some users. I can't even consider AM5 platform yet
I got my ryzen 5 3600 for around 50 bucks on eBay last year and im pretty happy with that :D
lol that combo is good to game on for years.
You make a lot of great points