ive been trying for some time also, i have a 55'' samsung qled q6 2018..... my pc is an alienware aurora r5... Processor: intel core i7-6700 cpu @ 3.40 ghz.. and 16gb of ram... i cannot get more then 18 frames running at the highest resolution in 16:9... what kind of graphics card or upgrade am i going to need to get at least a solid 60fps?
I work at a retail store, and we have to replace (on average) 3/6 Vizio displays due to backlight zones dying, lines, and discoloration over time. They look great, but either buy a 3 year extension on the warranty, or spend an extra couple hundred and get a quality TV from Sony like the 900 series.
HedgehogPro Tech What is it with these LED strips nowadays, backlight zone strips just fail all over the market. Guess they do that to sell more shit, most users run to store when they see black shit!!!!!!! You people need to sell!, get their money! I got many to work again, just installing cheap white (non brand $5 whoite strips) on 5050 compatible connectors they all use there, 5 minute repair jobs, getting many cheap and free 4k panels this way! All brands, especially the Samsung models, they sold so many of them!
This reminds me of when Massdrop had a deal on a chrome bezel monitor. After making a comment the bezel color killed the deal for me, you'd think I killed everyone's first child by the venomous replies I got. To each their own.
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Why not? It's not the first time they are here, nor on tech channels in general. Usually around a big update. So I suspect WOT will get promoted next month the same way with update 1.0
I would be surprised if WoT wasn't advertised on this channel after 1.0 drops. They poured millions into the new engine, so I expect them to want it to be pushed pretty hard.
They explained it quite well in the wan show, at the beginning of every year all advertisers kinda disappear, so they have already had quite a few non sponsored videos, while lmg is still a company that needs to bring in planned amount of revenue to pay everyone their share. That is why you see this out of the moon ad.
I've been having on an LG C7 OLED for months and have never seen image retention let alone permanent burn in. As long as you let it run static image compensation cycles at normal intervals (every 4 or so hours) and have the pixel screen shift function active you'll be fine. This OLED issue is perpetuated all the time and only crops up in extreme use cases.
Can it be set to 1080p 120hz? I ask because I sit far from the TV that 4K is pointless and only wastes power and puts more heat from my stressed GPU into the room.
Ive been gaming on a plasma for 5+ years and everyone told me that would cause burn in and low and behold 5+ years and no burn in but now I've got a verticle green bar about a inch thick on the right side so I need to replace it or get it fixed. This was not due to gaming on it or burn in.
@@danw6877 I have the oled C7 and yes, they can be set to 1080p 120 with the right hdmi cable. I game on both a PS4 and my gaming pc that has a gtx970 that can do 4k60
I’ve been PC gaming on my vizio p55 for almost 2 years now and I gotta say it’s awesome! I also game on all consoles along with my monitor on the side. Lade back games like assassin’s creed origins are a dream on the big screen and you can totally tell the difference between 4K and 1080p when you’re sitting 5 feet away like I am in my small gaming room. I’m definitely gonna look into the BFGD when they come out.
My X900E has a 16ms latency in 1080p120 mode, and it looks/plays really great. Amazing scaler and panel. TBH, this Vizio is not looking appealing to me, especially very high latency. Sony is better.
Oled gaming is fine, it takes more than 24 hours straight with a high contrast image to get PERMANENT burn in, Linus may be confusing temporary image retention which wears off after a couple minutes of regular use. Edit: plus oled TV's have response times 1000x quicker than the best MLG led gaming monitors
I bought the PQ65 cause I couldn't wait any longer and the price was under $1400. All I can say is pure 1080p 120hz 4:4:4 HDR 12bpc (10 actual) gaming bliss. It's truly gorgeous in motion and I rarely set a game to 4k unless to test as it looks and performs so good. Mainly use the 4k for movies. Don't regret my decision one bit.
My 7 year old 720p optima projector that I bought new for 500 bucks and at 125" screen still blows away the gaming and movie experience of any of these fancy large flat screen televisions with fancy features. With my klipsch 5.1 surround and demon receiver, the experience is second to none.
I don't know if you're joking but it likely was capable of 60hz. No display on the market is actually capable of true 600hz afaik. What they are referring to is interpolation, which fakes higher refresh rate and as Linus said creates input lag. edit: I guess they are referring to how a plasma creates the image, so I technically not interpolation, but also not capable of displaying 600 independent pictures. It instead shows a dark frame 10 times which makes one light frame, and it therefore shows 600 pictures but is only showing 60 unique frames hence 600hz..... so marketing bs
Best gaming TVs are actually from Samsung as they have very low input lag, true 4K, HDR 10+, freesync, no image burn in problem, nice va panels, much better dimming zones, better motion handling, VRR etc.
for anyone wondering, in 120hz this tvs actual input lag is only about 11 ms! considering the best gaming monitors have 4-5 thats not bad at all. do note you need to use hmdi port 5 for the low latency.
The Sony X900F does pretty much all of these things and then some. With only 7ms input lag at 1080/120hz, 20ms 2160/60hz, and 40ms at 1080/60hz. One of best home theater purchases I've ever made.
A word on just reading out your sponsor's blurb without double-checking it; HMS Monarch (at least the one in World of Warships) is by no means an iconic warship, in fact it never even existed beyond the drawing board. Of all the ships they could have chosen, they had to pick a fictional one.
Ser Garlan Tyrell very much this, this is the 2nd time WoWS has had sponsors talk utter garbage about their OWN product... As a WoWS player its quite funny to see, but I can imagine its not the best way to advertise the game
If you're going to go the true 120hz tv route, go with Sony. Most of they're mid to top tier 4k sets have true 120hz panels as well but produce a much, much better picture.
But most of them suck with input lags... does not really help for gaming... a proper gaming monitor has 4ms input lag (for shooters and racing sims, that counts!). Btw. I physically measure my monitors -> my Samsung 65 inch 7500 series does 22ms input lag in gaming mode (that's not enough for competitive sim racing), the Samsung C49HG90 4-5ms.
Agreed. I got a 55" X900E last year that can do up to 1440p/120hz/HDR (I use 1080p though as scaling wise it looks best and my GTX 1060 can't do 100+ fps in many games at 1440p). According to rtings, the input lag is like 16.9ms at 120Hz, which is pretty dang good. Not really perceptible unless you're a serious e-sports gamer, and/or some kind of air force pilot. For most people, sacrificing barely noticeable input lag for much better picture quality and HDR should be the wiser option.
I use 12-year-old 40" 1080p tv from sony because it's perfect for gaming because there is no input lag at all due to it not having any kind of image prosessing.
Same here, a Panasonic 37” 1080p LCD TV, 10 years old, not planning on upgrading just yet, great picture quality overall, pretty much no input lag at all, there is some post image processing done by a Denon receiver I have hooked up to the TV/PC but it all works out perfectly for the most part. I will upgrade to 4K and adjust the hardware accordingly once it becomes affordable and there is in fact one GPU that can do the job and is not stupidly overpriced!
Also I can see a huge difference between 4k and 1080p on my 65" TV but I'm sitting much closer to it than a lot of folks. But regardless... And HDR is honestly a really nice thing (to the point I bought a ps4 pro to go with my pc that's hooked up to it because pc hdr support is still spotty)
This TV needs to use HDMI input port # 5 for the lowest input lag. See RTINGS.com. It's an awesome gaming TV but the port you use makes a massive difference. Lag should be around 20 ms unless using HDR content.
Came in here to say this. Linus once shat on OLED tvs for having too much input lag (several years back when they were 27-35ms instead of 14ms or less) and says 40ms is 'imperceptible'?? Either the method he's using to measure is way off (possible), he's using the wrong input (more likely), or the method measures display input lag plus controller input lag or something else added in. Not sure but he should explain these numbers when throwing them out there because of how wrong they sound.
Meh, I been hearing about OLED burn-in for years and in that time I've been using smart-phones and OLED monitors intensively and I have yet to see any sign of it. Maybe linus can do some stress testing and put this myth for check.
+SkinUpMonkey My LG OLED monitor is like 7 years old and has no burn-in. Note 2 phone also has no burn-in. I'm not saying it can't happen but in my experience even when abusing OLED I'm bound to change it or break it before ANY sign of burn-in.
BromoDragoonFly On oled phones there is burn in, no doubt. Yes it takes a long time but there will be burn in. Oled Tv's, especially the new ones won't get burn in's. Lg, Sony and all the other brands know about this problem and work hard on solving it. We have 2 oled tv's from lg and even the old one has no burn in. The only problem with them is the vertical banding.
Just wait for HDMI 2.1 then there will be vrr which is g-sync/free-sync, for tv's with low input lag, 120hz @ 4k hdr ...etc!! which should be in TV's by later this year or early next year!! save your coins not long to go now!!
Probably wont stop me from getting the P Series once that implementation happens, totally agree about the implications of the new HDMI standard. It should be very exciting to see what happens in the next 18 months.
So many people still think all TV's have like 40-100ms input lag in game mode @ 4K, while there's so many panels with native input lag numbers as low as 6-10 ms right now. Usually even the 1080p 60hz mode (in game mode) doesn't give more than 15-20 ms these days. Huge difference.
HA I almost died @1:40 Talking about high refresh rate gaming and showing footage of one of the slowest paced games out there :D you're killing me guys!
RTINGS.com has been adressing gaming tv's for a bit now. They have great breakdown of input lag and other gaming related features on the TV's they review. www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/video-gaming
DarkReturns i almost bought that TV top, i couldnt find it anywhere. Found a great deal on a Sony 65 inch XB850 which does 1080P at 120rrgrrsh eith input lag in thr low 20's. Cant complain. 👍
Raul Urena it's only available in USA I believe, I got mine at best buy. $600 for true HDR, Dolby Vision, local dimming and 14ms input lag...best tv for that price period. Sony makes some great tv's, just a bit more money tho
There's also the new Samsung QLEDs. FreeSync and VRR so input lag down to 6.x ms and 120Hz native panel. Not prone to burn in, Samsung provide a 10 year warranty against burn in, and up to 2000 nits of brightness on the top end model with 100% colour volume at DCI-P3. You should definitely check them out!
I was using 120hz at 1080 on my 60'' M series for over a year until Vizio released a firmware update around the same time these new ones were coming out that made 120hz useless because after the latest update the screen will randomly flash black for a second making impossible to game or not be annoyed. Many users from AVR forums have complained directly to Vizio about the issue with no response. It is apparent they did it on purpose to try to get us to upgrade $$$ Never buying another Vizio ever.
Same crap for me 1080p@120hz blinks for me too since the 1.5.6 update on my M60-C3, was perfectly fine before. Vizio has the worst service ever, they look into it but that's about as far as it goes, they never get back to you. Ha I think youre right they seem to be trying to make their old sets obsolete and force upgrade.
Same here. 120hz was awesome when it worked. Warning to those about buying a Vizio....don't. Their handling of the firmware update which essentially killed 120hz/1080p on the Vizio M tv's....intentional or not...is unacceptable. I complained twice to them with no luck. I would have gladly settled for a way to just revert to a previous firmware where 120hz/1080p worked fine.
The 2017 OLEDs take 120hz 1080p input as well, and seem like a far better thing to choose for this kind of test due to infinitely better response time. Not sure why you'd want a Vizio LCD for this... Many, many people game on OLEDs. It's deceptive to peddle the 'worry about burn-in' narrative.
This is what I was thinking as well. There are TVs from TCL and Samsung that have as good or better response times that are cheaper that the Vizio and cost less that also have true 120Hz refresh rate.
@ BNOVA: Yes, you can buy two or even three TVs that burn in for the price of one that doesn't. Just select "auto-hide taskbar" and hide your icons when not using them and you're fine. For myself, I watch TV on my 4k when I'm not gaming, and use a 32" 1080p TV for a monitor. I use a black background on the 4k too. Not a real world problem if you use it like this, and won't have to replace the tv because of burn in. Besides, it's going to last at least 3 years, and by that time you might want something better.. That cheap TV looks pretty damn good in the long run as well as the short term.
Nowadays I don't consider any screen GOOD for gaming unless it has G-Sync in it. I'm done choosing either tearing+low input lag or no tearing+high input lag. G-Sync tackles both problems simultaneously while also keeping the monitor's refresh rate in sync with the frame rate. G-Sync just screams mandatory. Adaptive sync tech in TVs will become the new standard someday.
Actually already own this TV. Bought it last year after doing lots and lots of research. It’s just the best one out there for the price right now. Looks amazing with 4K HDR enabled games like MHW, and like Linus said, the input lag with game mode on at 4K is mostly imperceptible with casual titles, but with competitive titles it is more so. As long as you’re comfortable without having a built in cable tuner (it’s specifically made for all the cord cutters out there), then you’re gonna be very happy with this TV. It supports all chrome cast enabled apps and it has other apps that don’t support chrome cast , like Amazon Prime Video, built in. Pick up this TV with one of Vizio’s 5.1 surround sound setups that interfaces seamlessly with the app and you’ve got a pretty baller home theater setup and a great couch gaming experience all for under $2000!
Personally, the Vizio E series, 55 inch and above, are excellent 4k gaming options at a quarter of the price of the P series. 1080p at 120hz, 4k at 60hz, and very minimal input lag when activating gaming mode AND the 55 inch and above include HDR. 55 inch goes for under 500 dollars at local retailers.
it is too expensive i have rather pay max $1000 for a display like that and in India recently xiaomi launched 55inch 4k HDR Led tv for is just $600 amazing and uses a VA panel from Samsung with 85% ntsc color gamut which is higher than 100% srgb and i am gotta buy it now and also my budget is not that high
Hey that's my TV!! :) Bought my P Series a year ago and I love it. What a crazy value. Even though I've wanted to build a PC my whole life I'm fairly new to PC gaming (1.5yrs or so) so I spent all I could building my first PC and then didn't have much left (money but mainly space too) for monitor, desk, keyboard and mouse and I think the P Series has been great to PC game till I can do that.
So funny I got into an argument with someone about PC gaming on my PC and they wouldn't believe me I can game at 120hrz on my TV. I spent a lot of time researching before I spent thousands on something.
I have been using 43 inch 4K monitors for almost 2 years. Sitting 900 mm away, the major problem is that one develops F1 drivers' neck, and have to increase one's collar size. Turning the brightness down also helps reduce eyestrain, at this range. Not all software is very good at adapting to higher resolutions, although recent updates have mostly fixed that.
Just want to get the record straight on input lag. I have owned this tv for almost 2 years, The Vizio P65 2016 and 17 are identical. Input lag is 14 ms on 1080p @ 120 fps. 16.7 ms on both 4k and 1080p @ 60 fps. This is on input 5. Inputs 1 to 4 are higher but include hdr. So, this was monumental back in 2016 but the sony 900e is a better overall choice for gaming today because of the lower input lag playing hdr pc or console games. You will see same information posted on Rtings.
Important point about input lag on the Vizio P-series (I own one) certain ports have lower input lag then others. Plugged into the right port it should be possible to achieve much lower input lag at 4k then what you guys received.
This was cool to see. I've had a P65-C1 hooked up to my 1070 driven AMD machine for about 8 months now and have no complaints. It works well with shooters and RPGs (currently Kingdom Come) and it's pretty awesome with blu ray flicks. I also play PS4 and feel the same. I looked at tvs for about 3 months before deciding on this one and for roughly 1500 bucks, it has been a good choice for my main entertainment monitor. Will definitely look into the Nvidia option later but for now I am very happy with the Vizio.
Just a heads up unless you game like 18 hours a day on the same game with a hud then you shouldn’t worry about the burn in screen. This was tested before and it does very well preventing that burn in display.
Wow.... That was actually quite coincidental. I just left a comment on a previous video a couple of days ago asking about the OLED burn in and if you've checked out any tvs from rtings website. Gotta say this is my favorite episode.
Well I´ve been using a 50" LED TV like a PC monitor, from the past 3+ years, no problem whatsoever, I sit 1,5mts from it and its fine, absolutelly amaizing, couldnt change it for anything. I use it throught DVI to HDMI, because it doesnt have a PC mode for HDMI, and HDMI makes text look ugly, but with DVI it looks crystal clear, text, movies, games, photoshop, etc. The only difference is audio, that I cant use from the TV itself because of the DVI conversion, but I have a surround system attached to the PC.
IDK what anyone would be complaining about. I've been gaming at 1080p60 on tvs for years. I've never even used a gaming monitor. Fast paced games like League of legends, overwatch, or BFV dont have enough latency to prevent me from getting kills or playing properly.
I needed to replace a fried Acer monitor a month ago... ran to Walmart and they had like four monitors total on the shelf. I looked past the shelf at all those LED TV TVs with low prices. So yeah. I'm using an Element 40" 1080p 60Hz LED TV with my PC right now.. it was under $200 and looks great even though had to do some tweaking to get the screen scaling correct. It will no doubt be used as just a TV/internet/video display somewhere when the 60Hz becomes an issue.
The way you used the MakeMake to test input latency is really quite cool. I'm working on a personal project to create a device that can measure similar things down to single digit microsecond resolution - maybe I should send one to you once I get it working :) Originally intended to test input latency, but it has evolved to the point it can simply time the difference between 2 arbitrary inputs.
There have been high refresh rate televisions for years, as high as 240hz. While this feature is often touted for use and mistaken for the reviled motion interpolation, it’s still been available. Any 4k TV has at least one HDMI 2.0 port. Vizio televisions are disposable junk, especially when it comes to lag and processing. It’s not the panel, it’s the software and hardware driving it most of the time, as most of them source from the same factories.
Im not a competitive gamer or anything and mostly watch movies or anime but I enjoy Fallout 4, Xenoverse 2, and other games that dont necessarily require a high refresh rate so I game on my Lg 55UJ6300. It's a 60hz IPS display so it works just fine for my needs and the quality is great. I do have an Asus 4k Designo monitor I use for my graphic design work but it's also 60hz and I mostly play with a controller so it's good to hear they are considering both sides of the fence.
yep rocking a sony 65" 85xc, in 4k 60 4:4:4: or 1080p at 120hz. - great to be able to switch between high refresh rate and full 4k large screen immersion whilst chilling on the couch.
I've been doing all my PC gaming on a 2018 Samsung Q7. It'll run 1440p at 120hz and 60hz @4k. Its a great set.
Bender Rodriguez is there bad input lag?
ZinoGBandito not as low as the best gaming monitors but very close
What GPU are you using and what port? HDMI? I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what I need to play 120Hz 1440p on a 4k tv. Thanks!
ive been trying for some time also, i have a 55'' samsung qled q6 2018..... my pc is an alienware aurora r5... Processor: intel core i7-6700 cpu @ 3.40 ghz.. and 16gb of ram... i cannot get more then 18 frames running at the highest resolution in 16:9... what kind of graphics card or upgrade am i going to need to get at least a solid 60fps?
@@brandonsteinsdoerfer6870 What graphics card are you using and what games are you playing that give you that low framerate?
That's some intense pc gaming at 0:18
Tissuehead TOO MUCH BLOOD VIOLENCE
Can i run with my titan X GPU?
InfernoPhoenixFX About 5fps
Can it run Red Ball 4?
PICT[/.\]CHAT nah you're gonna need a whole new system for that graphical beast
"World of warships is.." tap tap
Blaž Bohinc so true
it's not bad game
Wargaming is a horrible company though.
not really
Yeah they're horrible.
6:11 Sega Genesis blast processing, lmao.
townnet
It's because Sega does what nintendont...😆
I work at a retail store, and we have to replace (on average) 3/6 Vizio displays due to backlight zones dying, lines, and discoloration over time. They look great, but either buy a 3 year extension on the warranty, or spend an extra couple hundred and get a quality TV from Sony like the 900 series.
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What is it with these LED strips nowadays, backlight zone strips just fail all over the market. Guess they do that to sell more shit, most users run to store when they see black shit!!!!!!! You people need to sell!, get their money!
I got many to work again, just installing cheap white (non brand $5 whoite strips) on 5050 compatible connectors they all use there, 5 minute repair jobs, getting many cheap and free 4k panels this way!
All brands, especially the Samsung models, they sold so many of them!
I love the grey accent on the bezels; it sets the display apart from the typical offerings.
SDG Danny it's annoying af
grey/ silver bezels are horrible. I can't tell you how I hate them
This reminds me of when Massdrop had a deal on a chrome bezel monitor. After making a comment the bezel color killed the deal for me, you'd think I killed everyone's first child by the venomous replies I got. To each their own.
pam0077 I like this color, like the Microsoft Surface colors. Looks yummy to me.
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never thought that Wargaming will sponsor LTT
Why not? It's not the first time they are here, nor on tech channels in general. Usually around a big update. So I suspect WOT will get promoted next month the same way with update 1.0
Balc0ra's Gaming yeah you're right.
I would be surprised if WoT wasn't advertised on this channel after 1.0 drops. They poured millions into the new engine, so I expect them to want it to be pushed pretty hard.
They explained it quite well in the wan show, at the beginning of every year all advertisers kinda disappear, so they have already had quite a few non sponsored videos, while lmg is still a company that needs to bring in planned amount of revenue to pay everyone their share. That is why you see this out of the moon ad.
WOWS just had a major update, so it's not that out of the moon tbh.
I've been having on an LG C7 OLED for months and have never seen image retention let alone permanent burn in. As long as you let it run static image compensation cycles at normal intervals (every 4 or so hours) and have the pixel screen shift function active you'll be fine.
This OLED issue is perpetuated all the time and only crops up in extreme use cases.
What are the big and Small Problems you faced
I Gonna Buy a Samsung T.V.
Do you still have your c7? And if so any burn in
I've had a Vizio P-series 4k television for a while and it's been AMAZING!!
4:23 the screen tore lol
Oh wow, World of Warships ad is everywhere...
Anton Slavik actually I didnt expect LTT to advertise the POTATO (if you know what I mean) shit
the game is great
Я бегу от картофельных игр в англоязычный интернет, а они уже тут. Ну ёбана(
Is Anton Slavik.. Uses Yuri logo :P
Peace Through Power or GTFO
Yuri and Kane are cousins.
I've been gaming on the LG B7 for a few months almost every night, and I haven't seen any image retention.
Can it be set to 1080p 120hz? I ask because I sit far from the TV that 4K is pointless and only wastes power and puts more heat from my stressed GPU into the room.
Ive been gaming on a plasma for 5+ years and everyone told me that would cause burn in and low and behold 5+ years and no burn in but now I've got a verticle green bar about a inch thick on the right side so I need to replace it or get it fixed. This was not due to gaming on it or burn in.
@@danw6877 I have the oled C7 and yes, they can be set to 1080p 120 with the right hdmi cable. I game on both a PS4 and my gaming pc that has a gtx970 that can do 4k60
+Kris Dwight Has burn in been an issue for you? Or like with plasma was that blown out of proportion.
Dan W Compared to an LCD you’re always at risk. Just look at what happened to LG’s OLED monitors at the airport incident some months back.
The new Samsung NU8000 and Qled tvs support VRR (freesync 2), 1440p/120hz or Game Motion plus with 23ms of input lag, the best TVs for gaming.
Does it have a display port?
@@MarzSanctum Do you need DP for 120Hz gaming?
@@ApxuBbI actually i don't think any tv has DP. They use hdmi 2.0
Actually got one. 8055. And damn, it is soooo good for gaming at large.
@@FineW_TurboM111 I recently bought 55NU8002. And I like it
Been running a Vizio P75 for almost a year now. It's a beautiful display, very deep blacks and excellent contrast. I love it!
I’ve been PC gaming on my vizio p55 for almost 2 years now and I gotta say it’s awesome!
I also game on all consoles along with my monitor on the side.
Lade back games like assassin’s creed origins are a dream on the big screen and you can totally tell the difference between 4K and 1080p when you’re sitting 5 feet away like I am in my small gaming room.
I’m definitely gonna look into the BFGD when they come out.
My X900E has a 16ms latency in 1080p120 mode, and it looks/plays really great. Amazing scaler and panel. TBH, this Vizio is not looking appealing to me, especially very high latency. Sony is better.
Yeah the P Series has always been about serious/class leading features and a not serious price....
Muh input lag. Please tell me. What games do you play where it matters.
20 year old csgo, cause thats the only game your gonna play at 120hz at 4k.
according to your tv's specs, it only supports 60hz
How does this comment, and Linus's dumbass testing, get this many views/upvotes when they're plainly wrong? Ignorance and not ill intent, I hope.
Oled gaming is fine, it takes more than 24 hours straight with a high contrast image to get PERMANENT burn in, Linus may be confusing temporary image retention which wears off after a couple minutes of regular use.
Edit: plus oled TV's have response times 1000x quicker than the best MLG led gaming monitors
Oh linus! Where will you go next for sponsers!
Today’s video is sponsored by Maruchan Ramen noodles, now with chicken!
Like Mann!!!! They had to sponsor themselves!
Tampax.
Maybe lego or duplo next time
K&Y, because you need to bend over to afford any of this crap.
I bought the PQ65 cause I couldn't wait any longer and the price was under $1400. All I can say is pure 1080p 120hz 4:4:4 HDR 12bpc (10 actual) gaming bliss. It's truly gorgeous in motion and I rarely set a game to 4k unless to test as it looks and performs so good. Mainly use the 4k for movies. Don't regret my decision one bit.
My 7 year old 720p optima projector that I bought new for 500 bucks and at 125" screen still blows away the gaming and movie experience of any of these fancy large flat screen televisions with fancy features. With my klipsch 5.1 surround and demon receiver, the experience is second to none.
But a blue shirt at Best Buy told me a Plasma TV was capable of 600hz so I should buy that! WHAT DO?!!! /s
The Dynast Queen when? 10 years ago?
I don't know if you're joking but it likely was capable of 60hz. No display on the market is actually capable of true 600hz afaik. What they are referring to is interpolation, which fakes higher refresh rate and as Linus said creates input lag.
edit: I guess they are referring to how a plasma creates the image, so I technically not interpolation, but also not capable of displaying 600 independent pictures. It instead shows a dark frame 10 times which makes one light frame, and it therefore shows 600 pictures but is only showing 60 unique frames hence 600hz..... so marketing bs
I’d wait for the 1000hz plasma ;)
Plasma TV's aren't for gaming due to burn-in.
Hahaha
i just peed my pants and i havent eaten
dae randumb XDDDD
Best gaming TVs are actually from Samsung as they have very low input lag, true 4K, HDR 10+, freesync, no image burn in problem, nice va panels, much better dimming zones, better motion handling, VRR etc.
I bought a 65" p series almost a year ago. Its 120hz PC gaming experience is amazing
for anyone wondering, in 120hz this tvs actual input lag is only about 11 ms! considering the best gaming monitors have 4-5 thats not bad at all. do note you need to use hmdi port 5 for the low latency.
*BFGD*
BIG F****** GAMING DISPLAY
Everyone mad that Joke when they were first shown off at CES so yeah its been done to death already.
It's still got a little life left...
..
And it's gone
its not Big F****** Gaming Display
its Big Format Gaming Display
--nVidia CES 2018
I like the 1st better.
only if nVidia was run by Elon Musk
IDK how you guys managed to use the Vizio P Series instead of the TCL P Series... The TCL has a 14 ms input latencty and displays 120Hz in 1080p.
Wargaming bought LINUS xD
The Sony X900F does pretty much all of these things and then some. With only 7ms input lag at 1080/120hz, 20ms 2160/60hz, and 40ms at 1080/60hz. One of best home theater purchases I've ever made.
This is exactly the video i needed, thanks LTT!
A word on just reading out your sponsor's blurb without double-checking it; HMS Monarch (at least the one in World of Warships) is by no means an iconic warship, in fact it never even existed beyond the drawing board. Of all the ships they could have chosen, they had to pick a fictional one.
Ser Garlan Tyrell very much this, this is the 2nd time WoWS has had sponsors talk utter garbage about their OWN product... As a WoWS player its quite funny to see, but I can imagine its not the best way to advertise the game
If you're going to go the true 120hz tv route, go with Sony. Most of they're mid to top tier 4k sets have true 120hz panels as well but produce a much, much better picture.
But most of them suck with input lags... does not really help for gaming... a proper gaming monitor has 4ms input lag (for shooters and racing sims, that counts!). Btw. I physically measure my monitors -> my Samsung 65 inch 7500 series does 22ms input lag in gaming mode (that's not enough for competitive sim racing), the Samsung C49HG90 4-5ms.
Agreed. I got a 55" X900E last year that can do up to 1440p/120hz/HDR (I use 1080p though as scaling wise it looks best and my GTX 1060 can't do 100+ fps in many games at 1440p). According to rtings, the input lag is like 16.9ms at 120Hz, which is pretty dang good. Not really perceptible unless you're a serious e-sports gamer, and/or some kind of air force pilot. For most people, sacrificing barely noticeable input lag for much better picture quality and HDR should be the wiser option.
Sony X900F. Best TV I've ever owned.
I use 12-year-old 40" 1080p tv from sony because it's perfect for gaming because there is no input lag at all due to it not having any kind of image prosessing.
SkyGameWorld I was using a 1080i 60hz, good times .
SkyGameWorld useless comment with no model number
Same here, a Panasonic 37” 1080p LCD TV, 10 years old, not planning on upgrading just yet, great picture quality overall, pretty much no input lag at all, there is some post image processing done by a Denon receiver I have hooked up to the TV/PC but it all works out perfectly for the most part.
I will upgrade to 4K and adjust the hardware accordingly once it becomes affordable and there is in fact one GPU that can do the job and is not stupidly overpriced!
If a tv does have image processing - its not a deal breaker. You can just manually turn it off - Game mode usually does it.
My dad has some 4k 3d tv from LG and even in game mode the input lag is very noticable
Thank's. I set picture mode to GAME and works fine.
I bought LG 4K 55' for 600 $ and set to 1080p.
It works on old GPU and CPU just fine.
Also I can see a huge difference between 4k and 1080p on my 65" TV but I'm sitting much closer to it than a lot of folks. But regardless... And HDR is honestly a really nice thing (to the point I bought a ps4 pro to go with my pc that's hooked up to it because pc hdr support is still spotty)
Sony kd55x900e does 120hz at 20ms input
Hey, man. What you think about "Sony - 65" Class BRAVIA XR X90L LED 4K UHD Smart Google TV (2023)" ? Will this one be good choice for PC gaming too?
This TV needs to use HDMI input port # 5 for the lowest input lag. See RTINGS.com. It's an awesome gaming TV but the port you use makes a massive difference. Lag should be around 20 ms unless using HDR content.
Came in here to say this. Linus once shat on OLED tvs for having too much input lag (several years back when they were 27-35ms instead of 14ms or less) and says 40ms is 'imperceptible'?? Either the method he's using to measure is way off (possible), he's using the wrong input (more likely), or the method measures display input lag plus controller input lag or something else added in.
Not sure but he should explain these numbers when throwing them out there because of how wrong they sound.
I just bought a 55" Sony XE90 for PC gaming.
At 1080p @ 120Hz it has a 16.9 ms input lag.
Ouch
@@odinoldman5850 what?
My Vizio M-Series LED tv from 2014 has native 120hz, I have it hooked up to my ROG laptop right now and have been happily gaming on it for years
Another flawless explanation folks. Thanks for doing the research for us!
my 4k oled tv pc monitor already does 120 hz :)
But 1080p only :((
Kinda risky to game because of the high risk of burn-in
Meh, I been hearing about OLED burn-in for years and in that time I've been using smart-phones and OLED monitors intensively and I have yet to see any sign of it. Maybe linus can do some stress testing and put this myth for check.
BromoDragoonFly it can happen I got a phone where someone really likes some bingo site lol
+SkinUpMonkey My LG OLED monitor is like 7 years old and has no burn-in. Note 2 phone also has no burn-in. I'm not saying it can't happen but in my experience even when abusing OLED I'm bound to change it or break it before ANY sign of burn-in.
BromoDragoonFly On oled phones there is burn in, no doubt. Yes it takes a long time but there will be burn in. Oled Tv's, especially the new ones won't get burn in's. Lg, Sony and all the other brands know about this problem and work hard on solving it. We have 2 oled tv's from lg and even the old one has no burn in. The only problem with them is the vertical banding.
Sony upper range TV's also have 1080p 120Hz. I have it on mine XE9005 (european model, XE930 in NA).
_ xid _ as far as I know xe9005 = x900e, x930 is a higher-end model with more local dimming zones (and more expensive)
Yes, my bad, XE900 in US.
My 930D will run 120hz native with 4:4:4: chroma.
Just wait for HDMI 2.1 then there will be vrr which is g-sync/free-sync, for tv's with low input lag, 120hz @ 4k hdr ...etc!! which should be in TV's by later this year or early next year!! save your coins not long to go now!!
Probably wont stop me from getting the P Series once that implementation happens, totally agree about the implications of the new HDMI standard. It should be very exciting to see what happens in the next 18 months.
I am so excited about HDMI 2.1, it's gonna be a game changer!
! Hadookaan ! The video was about the current option, today. Of course better tech and implementations are coming. Always does.
So many people still think all TV's have like 40-100ms input lag in game mode @ 4K, while there's so many panels with native input lag numbers as low as 6-10 ms right now. Usually even the 1080p 60hz mode (in game mode) doesn't give more than 15-20 ms these days. Huge difference.
HA I almost died @1:40 Talking about high refresh rate gaming and showing footage of one of the slowest paced games out there :D you're killing me guys!
I actually been playing PC gems on a 50 inch TV sinc e 2012
But we talking about actual good tvs not big sacks of shit like your talking about
@@sasuke20989 bruh
RTINGS.com has been adressing gaming tv's for a bit now. They have great breakdown of input lag and other gaming related features on the TV's they review. www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/video-gaming
Raul Urena that's where I found out about my TCL 55p605, love this tv!
DarkReturns i almost bought that TV top, i couldnt find it anywhere. Found a great deal on a Sony 65 inch XB850 which does 1080P at 120rrgrrsh eith input lag in thr low 20's. Cant complain. 👍
I have a sonyx900e and also can game at 120hz. Using cvt reduced blanking I actually achieved 1440p@120hz
Raul Urena it's only available in USA I believe, I got mine at best buy. $600 for true HDR, Dolby Vision, local dimming and 14ms input lag...best tv for that price period.
Sony makes some great tv's, just a bit more money tho
DarkReturns the 14ms response is why i wanted it compared to the Sony. Got amazing deal on the Sony so i couldnt pasd it up ( $1,150+ no tax)
Thank you for the seizure warnings.
Been using a tv to pc game on for years now. Love it, couch playing is the best.
There's also the new Samsung QLEDs. FreeSync and VRR so input lag down to 6.x ms and 120Hz native panel. Not prone to burn in, Samsung provide a 10 year warranty against burn in, and up to 2000 nits of brightness on the top end model with 100% colour volume at DCI-P3. You should definitely check them out!
THIS VIDEO IS ALMOST 5 YEARS Late! I've been running 120hz on my se39uy04 since 2013.....
Been gaming on my 46" panasonic plasma screen since 2009 and haven't looked back.
dat electricity bill tho
console play on a 120hz monitor. LOL. Best joke ever.
It's smoother on an 120hz monitor.
console can't do 120hz bb
It still feel smoother. Just like 120hz and 240hz TVs feel smoother than 60hz TVs when you watch 24fps movies.
no it doesnt, the console is the bottle neck and cant output more than 60fps, so the tv cant just magically make it run any better.
Then why does 120hz and 240hz TVs make 24fps movies smoother? Go educate yourself.
I have an LG C755, have been gaming 3-6 hours even a times 12 a day for almost 7 months, no burn in at all.
I've been running a 65" P series for several months now. I really like it. I also have a BenQ monitor, but haven't turned it on in months.
I was using 120hz at 1080 on my 60'' M series for over a year until Vizio released a firmware update around the same time these new ones were coming out that made 120hz useless because after the latest update the screen will randomly flash black for a second making impossible to game or not be annoyed. Many users from AVR forums have complained directly to Vizio about the issue with no response. It is apparent they did it on purpose to try to get us to upgrade $$$ Never buying another Vizio ever.
Same crap for me 1080p@120hz blinks for me too since the 1.5.6 update on my M60-C3, was perfectly fine before. Vizio has the worst service ever, they look into it but that's about as far as it goes, they never get back to you. Ha I think youre right they seem to be trying to make their old sets obsolete and force upgrade.
Same here. 120hz was awesome when it worked. Warning to those about buying a Vizio....don't. Their handling of the firmware update which essentially killed 120hz/1080p on the Vizio M tv's....intentional or not...is unacceptable. I complained twice to them with no luck. I would have gladly settled for a way to just revert to a previous firmware where 120hz/1080p worked fine.
Same Issue here on my M60-C3. Was hoping someone had a fix or workaround by now...
The 2017 OLEDs take 120hz 1080p input as well, and seem like a far better thing to choose for this kind of test due to infinitely better response time. Not sure why you'd want a Vizio LCD for this... Many, many people game on OLEDs. It's deceptive to peddle the 'worry about burn-in' narrative.
This is what I was thinking as well. There are TVs from TCL and Samsung that have as good or better response times that are cheaper that the Vizio and cost less that also have true 120Hz refresh rate.
He explains it in the video...
Trum p burn in is an irrelevant concern for gaming, should know better than to peddle that nonsense.
@ BNOVA: Yes, you can buy two or even three TVs that burn in for the price of one that doesn't. Just select "auto-hide taskbar" and hide your icons when not using them and you're fine. For myself, I watch TV on my 4k when I'm not gaming, and use a 32" 1080p TV for a monitor. I use a black background on the 4k too. Not a real world problem if you use it like this, and won't have to replace the tv because of burn in.
Besides, it's going to last at least 3 years, and by that time you might want something better.. That cheap TV looks pretty damn good in the long run as well as the short term.
What about TV channels and their logos?
Honestly the only reason I'm interested in Nvidia's TVs is because they have G-Sync, which these don't have. I think I will wait.
Clell Biggs wait for HDMI 2.1, fuck that g-sync
I probably will. I'm happy with what I have right now anyway.
Clell Biggs very good things are coming in the next year or so!
Nowadays I don't consider any screen GOOD for gaming unless it has G-Sync in it. I'm done choosing either tearing+low input lag or no tearing+high input lag. G-Sync tackles both problems simultaneously while also keeping the monitor's refresh rate in sync with the frame rate. G-Sync just screams mandatory. Adaptive sync tech in TVs will become the new standard someday.
Jodeth HDMI 2.1 will be amazing for this reason
Actually already own this TV. Bought it last year after doing lots and lots of research. It’s just the best one out there for the price right now. Looks amazing with 4K HDR enabled games like MHW, and like Linus said, the input lag with game mode on at 4K is mostly imperceptible with casual titles, but with competitive titles it is more so.
As long as you’re comfortable without having a built in cable tuner (it’s specifically made for all the cord cutters out there), then you’re gonna be very happy with this TV. It supports all chrome cast enabled apps and it has other apps that don’t support chrome cast , like Amazon Prime Video, built in.
Pick up this TV with one of Vizio’s 5.1 surround sound setups that interfaces seamlessly with the app and you’ve got a pretty baller home theater setup and a great couch gaming experience all for under $2000!
Personally, the Vizio E series, 55 inch and above, are excellent 4k gaming options at a quarter of the price of the P series. 1080p at 120hz, 4k at 60hz, and very minimal input lag when activating gaming mode AND the 55 inch and above include HDR. 55 inch goes for under 500 dollars at local retailers.
a wargaming sponsor??
*nods in seamen*
Beefy, You want to hijack airplane again?
it is too expensive i have rather pay max $1000 for a display like that and in India recently xiaomi launched 55inch 4k HDR Led tv for is just $600 amazing and uses a VA panel from Samsung with 85% ntsc color gamut which is higher than 100% srgb and i am gotta buy it now and also my budget is not that high
They just sold them for $800 on Woot.
who wanna see Linus torpedo the Yamato? 😏
My vizio M has served me well with 120hz input, would recommend
Hey that's my TV!! :) Bought my P Series a year ago and I love it. What a crazy value. Even though I've wanted to build a PC my whole life I'm fairly new to PC gaming (1.5yrs or so) so I spent all I could building my first PC and then didn't have much left (money but mainly space too) for monitor, desk, keyboard and mouse and I think the P Series has been great to PC game till I can do that.
So funny I got into an argument with someone about PC gaming on my PC and they wouldn't believe me I can game at 120hrz on my TV. I spent a lot of time researching before I spent thousands on something.
Notification squad where u at ?
I play on a TV.. only because I am poor...
Dokugan Ryuu That's not how It works ! You need to say " I think it's a better experience for me " rather than say " I'm poor "
eh, too much optimism
Life Hack, pay bills before you can afford luxuries.
Tv's are about the same price if not more expensive than a typical gaming monitor
Unless you are getting hand me down tv's
is it good for porn though?
NuttyJake same
NuttyJake Nahhh ,you need a camera for that
_username checks out_
probably not. 60 fps movies look awful outside of 3d. you need some motion blur with certain things. it's mostly for gaming :)
Kevfactor thank you kind sir
I have been using 43 inch 4K monitors for almost 2 years. Sitting 900 mm away, the major problem is that one develops F1 drivers' neck, and have to increase one's collar size. Turning the brightness down also helps reduce eyestrain, at this range. Not all software is very good at adapting to higher resolutions, although recent updates have mostly fixed that.
Already bought the LG C7. Got it in the January sale. It's so freakin awesome.
6 views and 59 likes. That works
_youtube_
Nothing new, youtube updates likes and dislikes faster than view count lol. Been that way forever I think.
Likes are counted as soon as they come up, views take a while, if you've been on youtube for at least a month you should already know that.
I got s TCL 4K UHD 120hz TV a few days ago, and it's a game changer...literally
Just want to get the record straight on input lag. I have owned this tv for almost 2 years, The Vizio P65 2016 and 17 are identical. Input lag is 14 ms on 1080p @ 120 fps. 16.7 ms on both 4k and 1080p @ 60 fps. This is on input 5. Inputs 1 to 4 are higher but include hdr. So, this was monumental back in 2016 but the sony 900e is a better overall choice for gaming today because of the lower input lag playing hdr pc or console games. You will see same information posted on Rtings.
Important point about input lag on the Vizio P-series (I own one) certain ports have lower input lag then others. Plugged into the right port it should be possible to achieve much lower input lag at 4k then what you guys received.
This was cool to see. I've had a P65-C1 hooked up to my 1070 driven AMD machine for about 8 months now and have no complaints. It works well with shooters and RPGs (currently Kingdom Come) and it's pretty awesome with blu ray flicks. I also play PS4 and feel the same. I looked at tvs for about 3 months before deciding on this one and for roughly 1500 bucks, it has been a good choice for my main entertainment monitor. Will definitely look into the Nvidia option later but for now I am very happy with the Vizio.
I got the Sony X900e and I'm pretty happy with it. Input lag is less than the Vizio as well
Got an oled yesterday thats 120hz cant wait to try it out, burn is not an issue on new models
Just a heads up unless you game like 18 hours a day on the same game with a hud then you shouldn’t worry about the burn in screen. This was tested before and it does very well preventing that burn in display.
Wow.... That was actually quite coincidental. I just left a comment on a previous video a couple of days ago asking about the OLED burn in and if you've checked out any tvs from rtings website. Gotta say this is my favorite episode.
Well I´ve been using a 50" LED TV like a PC monitor, from the past 3+ years, no problem whatsoever, I sit 1,5mts from it and its fine, absolutelly amaizing, couldnt change it for anything. I use it throught DVI to HDMI, because it doesnt have a PC mode for HDMI, and HDMI makes text look ugly, but with DVI it looks crystal clear, text, movies, games, photoshop, etc. The only difference is audio, that I cant use from the TV itself because of the DVI conversion, but I have a surround system attached to the PC.
Best TV review set to the crash bandicoot menu music I've ever seen
Was waiting for this video
Contrary to what Linus said, the main advantage of a VA panel is the contrast ratio and thus black levels.
Already have the Vizio for my PS4 and love it
VIZIO all the way, have the 55" love it. Its 2 years old an only has 60hz refresh rate and its just fine.
I do hate how small monitors are. Why can't someone make a 144hz 4ms monitor that's 32 to 40 inches?
I now use a Sony 4K HDTV with HDR 10Bit connected to my PC, via a 1080TI and it's awesome.
IDK what anyone would be complaining about. I've been gaming at 1080p60 on tvs for years. I've never even used a gaming monitor. Fast paced games like League of legends, overwatch, or BFV dont have enough latency to prevent me from getting kills or playing properly.
I needed to replace a fried Acer monitor a month ago... ran to Walmart and they had like four monitors total on the shelf. I looked past the shelf at all those LED TV TVs with low prices. So yeah. I'm using an Element 40" 1080p 60Hz LED TV with my PC right now.. it was under $200 and looks great even though had to do some tweaking to get the screen scaling correct. It will no doubt be used as just a TV/internet/video display somewhere when the 60Hz becomes an issue.
finally someone who actually recognizes those who struggle with seizure activity
The way you used the MakeMake to test input latency is really quite cool. I'm working on a personal project to create a device that can measure similar things down to single digit microsecond resolution - maybe I should send one to you once I get it working :) Originally intended to test input latency, but it has evolved to the point it can simply time the difference between 2 arbitrary inputs.
I wish more channels mentioned sponsors the way you guys do
There have been high refresh rate televisions for years, as high as 240hz. While this feature is often touted for use and mistaken for the reviled motion interpolation, it’s still been available. Any 4k TV has at least one HDMI 2.0 port. Vizio televisions are disposable junk, especially when it comes to lag and processing. It’s not the panel, it’s the software and hardware driving it most of the time, as most of them source from the same factories.
Im not a competitive gamer or anything and mostly watch movies or anime but I enjoy Fallout 4, Xenoverse 2, and other games that dont necessarily require a high refresh rate so I game on my Lg 55UJ6300. It's a 60hz IPS display so it works just fine for my needs and the quality is great. I do have an Asus 4k Designo monitor I use for my graphic design work but it's also 60hz and I mostly play with a controller so it's good to hear they are considering both sides of the fence.
Im so glad I snagged a Vizio M series 120HZ tv a couple years ago
"That RED setup you where bitching about on our last video.
Yeah, we're actually using it for more than filming."
Nice job showing me Linus!
Apparently that "GPU Bench" is using the same case I have in my build... Sickkk boiii
time for a new desk setup! thanks linus!
The TCL 4k Roku TVS are awesome for gaming. Low input lag and reponse time.
yep rocking a sony 65" 85xc, in 4k 60 4:4:4: or 1080p at 120hz. - great to be able to switch between high refresh rate and full 4k large screen immersion whilst chilling on the couch.