I was shocked at how similarly matched they were. Also, I love Wolf doing the third person view which was totally cool to see! Great fights between you and Twidgyt. I was going to ask about doing it with gunners and it was cool to see that that was what the last fight contributed. Even though it would require a lot of players, it would be cool to see two fully manned Corsairs against a fully manned Hammerhead. Whatever the case, cool series!!!
Stoked for this series! It's always a really cool and valuable resource to test ships for players trying to make a choice. I'd definitely say that the corsair is probably a better ship for a solo pilot than the connie, judging from this video and others i've seen. However I'd love to see a video judging the combat abilities of these two ships at their fullest extent. Both of these ships are multicrew capable, and they have plenty of turrets for people to use. Fairly certain the Andromeda also has a missile operator mode for the copilot, which could be useful. I think I've seen a few videos of fully manned fights between the two with the corsair coming out on top. But that's not all there is to explore. What I'd really like to see would be these two fully multi-crewed ships WITH snubs trying to take each other down in combat. After all, is the andromeda really being used to its full capacity if there's a snub fighter in the back that isn't being used? The corsair as well can fit quite a few furies in the back. Which of these ships can scuttle their fighters faster? Would the andromeda's more integrated docking collar give it an edge? I think these types of engagements remain untested, and even though snubs are in a bit of an odd place right now in terms of usability, I think it's really important to parse out the capabilities of these two ships in that respect. That's the content I'd really like to see. In any case, great video, keep up the good work!
Connie can hold furies in its elevator too. So it has quite a bit of firepower. And both ships could upgrade their weapons to fixed guns and stronger shields. Would be interesting to see what they could do at max firepower and strength
Had the Corsair in the hangar for almost 2 years before it came out, staring at her beauty in the launcher every time I'd load in. Melted it the day it came out. The bullet spread is awful and because of that, the ttk on a hammerhead solo is actually slower in a corsair than a connie. The Connie is also way more handy during things like jumptown or runing salvage cargo. I wanted to love the corsair but a connie is in the hangar now instead.
@escapetarkov3838 Hey brother I'm a Taurus pilot myself and I love my ship as well. Weighed it against the corsair when i made a decision, but even though Connies desperately need a total rework at this point, its STILL got amazing utility all around, moreso than the corsair. I'm definitely in agreement on Connie superiority hehe.
Awesome fight! Glad the Connie won the 3rd round. 😀 But the extra guns on the Corsair make a big different in general. I'm looking forward to the next fights. 👍
It's not really fair since the Connie's lower guns are nerfed to one size lower because of the landing gear, also its an ancient ship compared to the Corsair gold standard. The difference in the amount of missiles is pretty huge. I would love to see a combination of a Connie and a Corsair take on a Hammerhead, that would be epic.
if you watched one nut always had energy to 100% weapons, while the other alterated between 100% shields and then when he needed recharge he went to weapons, so yeah the pilot skill was definitelly not on one nuts side.
Cheered like a small child when the Corsair won, and I admit to"Booooooo" when the Corsair lost. Don't use the stock missiles myself, Rattlers, I wish the S3 variant had scaled in proportion
Seen a video somewhere that this happened, the snub made a massivd difference when you have a skilled pilot. Lets the connie shields heal while it keeps the corsair distracted and keeps its shields low.
These were great fights. Thank's for putting in the effort and time to make these vids. they are so great. The connie is def my favorite ship though I routinely fly both. Of all the times I have taken on a corsair in my connie I have won only twice, but I think it was not by trying to square up with guns blazing. The corsair just puts too much hate down range to face tank. IMHO the move, is to keep baiting it into passes with all power to my shields, and then flipping around to lock 2 of the S1 missiles, and letting them loose. This causes the corsair to have to bleed their flares dry or eat the damage; either works for me. Then you keep it up with the Size 2's after they are low or out of flares. Once they are softened up enough that you might be able to win the race to 0 nose HP, thats when you square off for the gunfight. Sadly that will all change in master modes and I will need a new strat lol. also RIP the merlin that got splatted off the connie's belly in the third fight lol
connie cannot fight the corsair in a straight up brawl, even fully crewed. it has to fight on its own terms, at range with its missiles. otherwise it'll get shredded by the stupid amount of firepower the corsair has.
@@lifes2short4bs73if we're cooking with max crew, there's at least two furies coming out of that Corsair to deal with that Merlin and then harass the Connie! I've heard of people packing three but I wouldn't want to be launching those in a combat situation.
Great video! It would be interesting to see a match with both ships fully manned. I'm a little salty watching the Connie get blown up (twice). I'm wondering why not use the Connie though with its strength against the Corsair? If you remain just out of gun range and start lobbing single missiles to blead out the Corsairs flares, and then start sending volleys of size 2's it's a done deal for the Corsair. I was surprised it was so hard for me to watch the Connie getting defeated, but thank you so much for making the video. RLTW
Connie's always win if u can blow a wing off or damage the Corsair thrusters it stops turning. But the Connies hardly ever loses control even close to death. But the Corsair does have more damage when on target.
Id appreciate a different manufacturer making a ship parallel to the corsair. Out of all the drake ships its definitely my favorite, but versatility is appreciated.
I think solo the corsair will have the upper hand in a fight but if the turrets are manned, the connie has the upper hand since they are more effective that the ones of the corsair.
@@Leach-ez7dq true but their range of motion is saldy really lacking. I think connie turrets still have the upper hand because they'll likely score more hits.
@@Smap_SCYou need to manage your distance properly. The Corsair's side turrets can't hit targets directly in front of you when you are too close or too far. If you keep the enemy at the right range, you should have no problem landing shots on target. Against the Constellation, the Corsair has the advantage of speed and acceleration, so you can dictate the engagement and maintain optimal distance at all times.
One advantage the Corsair has, and was not used in the third battle, is that the co-pilot can lock missiles in a 360 degree arc. He could have been launching missiles straight after the merge and after every subsequent merge while the Connie was still trying to bring its nose around.
Great video. Both players handled those large ships very well. I'm a little confused, though. I see that the Corsair is rocking 4x size 5's and 2x size 4's, which means all the guns are on fixed mounts. How then is the gimbal mode in the gunsight active?
Very nice video, the difference in firepower becomes even more striking between the two when they are manned, not to mention that with appropriate builds the Corsair is the ship with the greatest firepower in the pilot's hands in the entire game, totally unbeatable in the category. But for some reason I like andromeda much more.
I love both, but I found the Connie to be the ship with greater Survivability with the Corsair even after the mav thruster health increase I found that they'd still go often enough to cripple my ability to fight back effectively and even worse if losing an engine. Then ontop of that trying to fight anything in atmo is a nightmare. With a Rework to the interior the constellation will be a lovely ship.
Love the shear visual spectacle of big ship brawls compared to light fighter dogfights, the amount of laser fire alone coming from both ships was amazing! 14:00 was a great shot with the flares and missiles flying around.
@Leach-ez7dq are you sure? Becuase projectile speed matters, the Ion would land shots that the Inferno couldn't if the Ion controlled the distance and kept moving. If they're stood toe to toe trading blows then sure, but then that doesn't represent the average dog fight
Where did this myth come from about the Corsair being bad in atmo? It still outperforms the Connie at sea level on paper and in real combat. I have timed the turns and loops etc myself in multiple tests. I can only assume comes from the initial flawed release version but that was fixed quite quickly.
I dont think the sacrifice to projectile velocity and going fixed is worth the trade off on ships like the connie and corsair. Too slow and burly for that.
Good fight between you two. Very glad Connie managed to pull off an upset at the end as I'm rather fond of the old girl. Corsair has the benefit of more guns and "gold standard" design. Connie is far behind the times thanks to CIG's terrible sense of priorities, and the Andromeda is unsuitably armed for its class. However, as of 3.19.1, Corsair's thrusters were severely vulnerable to S1 missiles that could bypass shields (even at full strength) and wreck the ship's stability sending it into a tailspin, and all it took was one hit. Not sure if that problem persists in 3.20.
I just dont like the Corsair lol. I will openly admit that yes it has the firepower . The thing is the easiest way to fight them in the Connie is to merge roll off and clip a wing with your cockpit when they joust lol. It works very well.😅
I'm loving the absolute comments being made. Everyone is saying "Corsair wins every time!" Or "Connie wins every time". You all are so passionate about that $300 you spent, lol! Want the truth. It comes down to the pilot, every time.
corsair has too much consistent firepower for the connie to face against. connie's only chance is to stay out of range of those cannons and blast the corsair with missiles until it's done for
great vid! The Connie isn’t gonna win an up close 1v1 trade against the Corsair. It’s down 2 size 5’s. The Connie does Maneuver better though and if the pilot can range control and use missiles effectively, it can win that fight. In multicrew though, I think Connie has the edge with turrets plus snub. You know you can move more shield power to front right, hehe
That is a myth. The Connie actually has slower pitch up, roll and yaw than the Corsair. Not by much but it does maneuver better in everything except 'pitch down'.
In a real fight connie wins every time just with overwhelming missiles, not to mention the armor if they ever actually figure out how to get that implemented.
@schlagzahne6741 not sure who you're replying to but I was flying solo and I didn't check in with the connies how many crew they had before I killed them
Maybe if they ever make missiles actually useful. Right now the Corsair can usually just flare off everything the Connie fires at it. The Corsair is faster than the Connie, so it can close the gap quite well and start mauling the Connie with its greater firepower.
The snub is its own ship. If I used the snub, it would be connie and Merlin vs. the Corsair. But to be completely honest with how fragile and low the dps is on the Merlin, I doubt it would've made much of a difference.
I have the theory that with master modes and control surfaces the Corsair will have an edge in atmospheric flight over the Constellation, finally giving those asymmetrical wings a reason to exists beyond "lore".
Connie vs corsair. Not Connie and Merlin vs corsair. Even though it's docked on the Connie, the Merlin is its own ship, and not all Connie's have a snub.
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I was shocked at how similarly matched they were. Also, I love Wolf doing the third person view which was totally cool to see! Great fights between you and Twidgyt. I was going to ask about doing it with gunners and it was cool to see that that was what the last fight contributed. Even though it would require a lot of players, it would be cool to see two fully manned Corsairs against a fully manned Hammerhead. Whatever the case, cool series!!!
I wonder how viable a full fixed ADB layout would be for big ship battles...
Its very viable. That loadout shreds anything you come across until you run out of ammo lol
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Stoked for this series! It's always a really cool and valuable resource to test ships for players trying to make a choice. I'd definitely say that the corsair is probably a better ship for a solo pilot than the connie, judging from this video and others i've seen. However I'd love to see a video judging the combat abilities of these two ships at their fullest extent.
Both of these ships are multicrew capable, and they have plenty of turrets for people to use. Fairly certain the Andromeda also has a missile operator mode for the copilot, which could be useful. I think I've seen a few videos of fully manned fights between the two with the corsair coming out on top. But that's not all there is to explore.
What I'd really like to see would be these two fully multi-crewed ships WITH snubs trying to take each other down in combat. After all, is the andromeda really being used to its full capacity if there's a snub fighter in the back that isn't being used? The corsair as well can fit quite a few furies in the back. Which of these ships can scuttle their fighters faster? Would the andromeda's more integrated docking collar give it an edge? I think these types of engagements remain untested, and even though snubs are in a bit of an odd place right now in terms of usability, I think it's really important to parse out the capabilities of these two ships in that respect. That's the content I'd really like to see. In any case, great video, keep up the good work!
Connie can hold furies in its elevator too. So it has quite a bit of firepower. And both ships could upgrade their weapons to fixed guns and stronger shields. Would be interesting to see what they could do at max firepower and strength
Both ships had upgraded shields. And going fixed isn't worth the loss of projects speed and gimbals with how slow and burly they are
Had the Corsair in the hangar for almost 2 years before it came out, staring at her beauty in the launcher every time I'd load in. Melted it the day it came out. The bullet spread is awful and because of that, the ttk on a hammerhead solo is actually slower in a corsair than a connie. The Connie is also way more handy during things like jumptown or runing salvage cargo. I wanted to love the corsair but a connie is in the hangar now instead.
@escapetarkov3838 Hey brother I'm a Taurus pilot myself and I love my ship as well. Weighed it against the corsair when i made a decision, but even though Connies desperately need a total rework at this point, its STILL got amazing utility all around, moreso than the corsair. I'm definitely in agreement on Connie superiority hehe.
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Awesome fight! Glad the Connie won the 3rd round. 😀 But the extra guns on the Corsair make a big different in general. I'm looking forward to the next fights. 👍
It's not really fair since the Connie's lower guns are nerfed to one size lower because of the landing gear, also its an ancient ship compared to the Corsair gold standard. The difference in the amount of missiles is pretty huge. I would love to see a combination of a Connie and a Corsair take on a Hammerhead, that would be epic.
Not to mention the Corsair has 4 of its weapons mounted on the nose so lasers or ballistic reach the target a hair quicker.
if you watched one nut always had energy to 100% weapons, while the other alterated between 100% shields and then when he needed recharge he went to weapons, so yeah the pilot skill was definitelly not on one nuts side.
The halo sountrack was an excellent call. All hail Marty O'Donnell!
oh hell yes it was!!!!
What a battle!!! In the Corsair, to all day use, laser cannons or repeaters? I’m waiting the next fight.
Cheered like a small child when the Corsair won, and I admit to"Booooooo" when the Corsair lost. Don't use the stock missiles myself, Rattlers, I wish the S3 variant had scaled in proportion
Would love to see the connie deploy the snub as well as all of the turrets being used on both ships.
Seen a video somewhere that this happened, the snub made a massivd difference when you have a skilled pilot. Lets the connie shields heal while it keeps the corsair distracted and keeps its shields low.
These were great fights. Thank's for putting in the effort and time to make these vids. they are so great. The connie is def my favorite ship though I routinely fly both. Of all the times I have taken on a corsair in my connie I have won only twice, but I think it was not by trying to square up with guns blazing. The corsair just puts too much hate down range to face tank. IMHO the move, is to keep baiting it into passes with all power to my shields, and then flipping around to lock 2 of the S1 missiles, and letting them loose. This causes the corsair to have to bleed their flares dry or eat the damage; either works for me. Then you keep it up with the Size 2's after they are low or out of flares. Once they are softened up enough that you might be able to win the race to 0 nose HP, thats when you square off for the gunfight. Sadly that will all change in master modes and I will need a new strat lol. also RIP the merlin that got splatted off the connie's belly in the third fight lol
Now this is a great series, both fun and useful!
Do a cutter with someone in the cargo bay with a railgun
Love both of them. I haven't pledge on them yet but I do have both in game.
Fully crewed Connie vs Corsair should win every time. That snub keeps the Corsair’s shields down
connie cannot fight the corsair in a straight up brawl, even fully crewed. it has to fight on its own terms, at range with its missiles. otherwise it'll get shredded by the stupid amount of firepower the corsair has.
@@Birbucifer you’d be surprised how much a good pilot in the Merlin can help even the odds
@@lifes2short4bs73 it wouldn't matter against 3 good turret gunners
@@lifes2short4bs73if we're cooking with max crew, there's at least two furies coming out of that Corsair to deal with that Merlin and then harass the Connie! I've heard of people packing three but I wouldn't want to be launching those in a combat situation.
@@capt_bearconnie can hold 2 furies as well. So 3 snubs. Granted the merlin has to actually work and undock. Good luck on that working.
Amazing! Make drag races too just for the fun of it. Would love to see the ships with the highest acceleration.
inferno vs ion? that could be interesting, fight with and with out missiles?
That was fun, awesome shots too wolf and twidgyt. That Halo music fits super well.
Pretty tough little _exploration_ ship
Great video! It would be interesting to see a match with both ships fully manned. I'm a little salty watching the Connie get blown up (twice). I'm wondering why not use the Connie though with its strength against the Corsair? If you remain just out of gun range and start lobbing single missiles to blead out the Corsairs flares, and then start sending volleys of size 2's it's a done deal for the Corsair. I was surprised it was so hard for me to watch the Connie getting defeated, but thank you so much for making the video. RLTW
Connie's always win if u can blow a wing off or damage the Corsair thrusters it stops turning. But the Connies hardly ever loses control even close to death. But the Corsair does have more damage when on target.
The external camera guy had his work cut out for him.
Id appreciate a different manufacturer making a ship parallel to the corsair. Out of all the drake ships its definitely my favorite, but versatility is appreciated.
I think solo the corsair will have the upper hand in a fight but if the turrets are manned, the connie has the upper hand since they are more effective that the ones of the corsair.
Corsair has more turrets tho.
@@Leach-ez7dq true but their range of motion is saldy really lacking. I think connie turrets still have the upper hand because they'll likely score more hits.
I honestly think the manned turret on the corsair are mostly useless for most engagements. I don't even keep guns on them now.
@@Smap_SCYou need to manage your distance properly. The Corsair's side turrets can't hit targets directly in front of you when you are too close or too far. If you keep the enemy at the right range, you should have no problem landing shots on target. Against the Constellation, the Corsair has the advantage of speed and acceleration, so you can dictate the engagement and maintain optimal distance at all times.
One advantage the Corsair has, and was not used in the third battle, is that the co-pilot can lock missiles in a 360 degree arc. He could have been launching missiles straight after the merge and after every subsequent merge while the Connie was still trying to bring its nose around.
Get a chance do the 600i vs those to would be awesome.
Well that just sealed the deal for me, im getting a corsair. I was worried i wouldnt have enough gun eith just me piloting but thats not the case.
Fun to watch but now with Master Modes it's a whole new ball game.
Awesome vid!
Love the Halo music, keeps it so intense!
Great video. Both players handled those large ships very well. I'm a little confused, though. I see that the Corsair is rocking 4x size 5's and 2x size 4's, which means all the guns are on fixed mounts. How then is the gimbal mode in the gunsight active?
I down sized everything. it's running 4x size 4 Rhinos, and 2x size 3 panthers.
@@OneNutSupreme Ahh, I gotcha. Ok. Don't know why I ws seeing 4's and 5's. I wonder how well the XJ3 distortion repeaters work in those size 3 slots?
Very nice video, the difference in firepower becomes even more striking between the two when they are manned, not to mention that with appropriate builds the Corsair is the ship with the greatest firepower in the pilot's hands in the entire game, totally unbeatable in the category. But for some reason I like andromeda much more.
I still prefer the connie as well
I love both, but I found the Connie to be the ship with greater Survivability with the Corsair even after the mav thruster health increase I found that they'd still go often enough to cripple my ability to fight back effectively and even worse if losing an engine. Then ontop of that trying to fight anything in atmo is a nightmare.
With a Rework to the interior the constellation will be a lovely ship.
Love the shear visual spectacle of big ship brawls compared to light fighter dogfights, the amount of laser fire alone coming from both ships was amazing!
14:00 was a great shot with the flares and missiles flying around.
very keen for this series, this sounds really fun
you should do some heavy fighters next :)
Ares Ion vs Inferno would be a good one
Ballistic would win easily. Pilot skill is the only major factor there.
@Leach-ez7dq are you sure? Becuase projectile speed matters, the Ion would land shots that the Inferno couldn't if the Ion controlled the distance and kept moving. If they're stood toe to toe trading blows then sure, but then that doesn't represent the average dog fight
Love the Corsair even though it flies like a truck in atmo. Its default laser cannon loadout just smacks against NPCs..
Where did this myth come from about the Corsair being bad in atmo? It still outperforms the Connie at sea level on paper and in real combat. I have timed the turns and loops etc myself in multiple tests. I can only assume comes from the initial flawed release version but that was fixed quite quickly.
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S5 top guns on the Connie might make a difference in these battles. A massive boost to range and damage that beats out S4s significantly.
I dont think the sacrifice to projectile velocity and going fixed is worth the trade off on ships like the connie and corsair. Too slow and burly for that.
@@OneNutSupremeyou'd be able to stay out of range of the corsairs's guns while still hitting shots.
@@Leach-ez7dq hum, i use 4 size 5 cannons on the corsair and 2 adb for backup
nice edit, well done!
Good fight between you two. Very glad Connie managed to pull off an upset at the end as I'm rather fond of the old girl.
Corsair has the benefit of more guns and "gold standard" design. Connie is far behind the times thanks to CIG's terrible sense of priorities, and the Andromeda is unsuitably armed for its class. However, as of 3.19.1, Corsair's thrusters were severely vulnerable to S1 missiles that could bypass shields (even at full strength) and wreck the ship's stability sending it into a tailspin, and all it took was one hit. Not sure if that problem persists in 3.20.
If these ships are the space dads, is there also a space creepy uncle ship?
Yeah, the Carrack 🤣
@@OneNutSupreme lmao🤣
tf dude? There is something about your game in this video. It looks soooo crisp! Do you have HDR on or smth?
I have reshade HDR on
And now in 3.20, we can play with Native HDR and record in it!
I just dont like the Corsair lol. I will openly admit that yes it has the firepower .
The thing is the easiest way to fight them in the Connie is to merge roll off and clip a wing with your cockpit when they joust lol.
It works very well.😅
I'm loving the absolute comments being made. Everyone is saying "Corsair wins every time!" Or "Connie wins every time".
You all are so passionate about that $300 you spent, lol!
Want the truth. It comes down to the pilot, every time.
corsair has too much consistent firepower for the connie to face against. connie's only chance is to stay out of range of those cannons and blast the corsair with missiles until it's done for
great vid! The Connie isn’t gonna win an up close 1v1 trade against the Corsair. It’s down 2 size 5’s. The Connie does Maneuver better though and if the pilot can range control and use missiles effectively, it can win that fight. In multicrew though, I think Connie has the edge with turrets plus snub.
You know you can move more shield power to front right, hehe
That is a myth. The Connie actually has slower pitch up, roll and yaw than the Corsair. Not by much but it does maneuver better in everything except 'pitch down'.
In a real fight connie wins every time just with overwhelming missiles, not to mention the armor if they ever actually figure out how to get that implemented.
ive killed 2 in my corsair so far without much of a struggle, 4x AD5B is nothing to scoff at
Both ships fully crewed with the snub pecking at your shields?
@@gr_eggcouldn’t agree more, Connie isn’t the end all be all
@schlagzahne6741 not sure who you're replying to but I was flying solo and I didn't check in with the connies how many crew they had before I killed them
Maybe if they ever make missiles actually useful. Right now the Corsair can usually just flare off everything the Connie fires at it. The Corsair is faster than the Connie, so it can close the gap quite well and start mauling the Connie with its greater firepower.
Got the Conni its size 5 weapons on top ?
Yes it has 4 size 5 hard points but you can only size up the top 2 as of right now
@@OneNutSupreme yea thats since years
Just got done playing Halo Reach, watched this vid and had to laugh.
if the andromeda use the snub fighter then the result is alot difference
The snub is its own ship. If I used the snub, it would be connie and Merlin vs. the Corsair. But to be completely honest with how fragile and low the dps is on the Merlin, I doubt it would've made much of a difference.
if the corsair had 3 man in turrets too@@OneNutSupreme
I have the theory that with master modes and control surfaces the Corsair will have an edge in atmospheric flight over the Constellation, finally giving those asymmetrical wings a reason to exists beyond "lore".
DPS trumps hull HP, I guess 🙂
Andromeda Gang W.
Corsair is just plain ugly, too.
not a fair fight connie needs it's snub fighter in the fight since that is part of the ship.
Connie vs corsair. Not Connie and Merlin vs corsair. Even though it's docked on the Connie, the Merlin is its own ship, and not all Connie's have a snub.
First... one to die!
TWICE lol
@@Korvorkian1 you noticed that too, huh?
Really glad I got to fly the camera pod ( fury) for this and now that we have HDR in 3.20 my video shouldn't look like a grey wash haha
@@Korvorkian1 and I would bet money that you'll be buying the fury LX so should have even more mobility. I'm debating about getting one myself.....
Lmao