Making a CNC control panel - CNC'ing the mini lathe - episode 34 || RotarySMP
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this episode we make the user control panel to accompany the touch screen and LinuxCNC with Gmoccapy. The drilling, milling and engravig was done on my MAHO CNC mill, with LinuxCNC:
nice work! i like the look.
Thanks Tony, shame I didn't lube it so it galled a few lines.
Your "this is where MAHO hid the speakers" had me lauching my arse of this morning.
nice
@@MakarovFox Thanks.
Hey Tony, are you going to sell your CNC machine?
I think I know what it needs and would really enjoy the opportunity to buy it and make it better..... I have the parts to make it all the CNC its supposed to be.
cwleveck at gmail dot you know...
@@RotarySMP Great Video! Instead of changing the whole motor only to be able to rotary engrave, mount an auxiliary spindle to the side of your tool head. Just get one of those cheap, 400w bldc spindles on Ebay - those work pretty good for engraving. Not for milling, though
Hooley dooley, first there was "Aircraft quality aluminium" now there is "Aircraft quality switches". I'm impressed.
After this video, a commenter asked me to look up the part number, and then we googles them. Those switches go for something like $200 a piece!
I've had some of those microstop countersinks for two years and have had no idea of what the use case was. I'm looking forward to not eyeballing my countersinks from now on. :)
They are a really nice tool.
Excellent matching of music to sped up machine work!
Thanks for your feedback.
It was interesting to learn about the aircraft assembly techniques and tools.
Since you have the tools for engraving front panels, you may be interested in acrylic that is available in two or three colours. A thin veneer on the top surface, say black, and a thicker backing in another colour, say white. You can make nice looking panels in a single operation without having to resort to infilling with paint/nail varnish.
Good idea. I am not entirely happy with this one. I#ll try to do better on my next machine.
Nice work.
It was a joy also to learn something more about the tools used in the avionic industry.
I knew the Clecos already but to see how easy you riveted the parts blew me totally.
Thanks. Rivetted structure is falling out of favour, but I like it.
Aircraft Engineers and Mechanics have the coolest tools and things! Great work.....
Thanks for the feedback.
Finally an interesting channel with decent music. Thank you.
Opinions vary on my choice of music. Thanks for watching.
Great videos and great music.
Thanks for the positive feedback
Them rivets are super clean looking.
Thanks.
Skin pins, aircraft rivets, rivet squeezer 😁 love it, makes me feel like I'm at work 😂 absolutely love your Chanel!!!! Hope to see more of very exciting videos. Is it possible to show case tools and your workshop? 😂
I try to show case tools as I use them. I'll probably do a workshop tour once I finish the Mini Lathe series. Thanks for the feedback.
@@RotarySMP would absolutely love the tour! The mini lathe project is absolutely great, love how much details you provide
Doesn't sound right without the screaming air tools though.
@@stanrogers5613 That is true. I have air, but couldnt be bothered for six holes.
@@stanrogers5613 meh depends how long you been in the trade, might have been so long that you can't hear it no more 😂
Talk about a throw back this came up as a suggestion and same control pannel as todays video
The YT algorythm seems indistinguishable from randomness at most times :)
@@RotarySMP i actually went searching as im on a control pannel hunt
@@forgeperformanceand4x4 Ever time I look at that control panel, I wonder why I bolted that keypad to the front, rather than the back of the plate, with a nice chamfered bezel.
Also for a lathe, using a single jog encoder and axis switch was a poor choice. Two encoders dedicated to the axis is batter.
@@RotarySMP im just trying to find some nice membrane keyboards
@@forgeperformanceand4x4 I found that one on the german craiglist type classifieds:
www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-seite:3/folien-tastatur/k0
Can't wait to see the first testflight!
You and me both.
Great work, a look wery good!!!
Thanks a lot.
Wuhu mate. That maho does a great job. 👍👍
Thanks. Shame I didn't lube the drag engraver on the first pass.
@@RotarySMP i have No idea how thoes dragging engravers work. I have done plenty of engraving when 4000 rpm so its doable forsure 👍
And that counter sinker is freaking awesome
That panel looks nicely done.
Thanks.
Great job Mark, I wouldn't beat myself up over the drag engraver, it's just that aluminum extrusion machines like utter dog shite. The only good machinable grades I've found so far are EN AW 2017 and 7075 (also known as fortal). The milling succeeded because of the flood coolant.
Good point. 7075 machines really nicely.
And power tapping M3 without breaking the tap... That's impressive ahahah thoose switches looked amazing!
Tapping anything without me breaking a tap it s miracle.
M3 into thin aluminum through holes ain't so bad.
@@paulwomack5866 correct. in is only 3mm thick.
@@RotarySMP my younger self has broken taps doing just that! I once broke an M12 tap trying to clean an already tapped hole ahahha
@@andresgodinho M12! That takes some real effort. Respect :)
Ah, the brand new retro old look, and yes, there's a T-Shirt with that "those are very satisfying switches".
More the "recycling all the old junk laying around in my shop" retro look :)
Thanks for watching.
Aerospace tools are cool! I found out the hard way that drag engraving works better on anodised aluminum stock. Black gives better legibility but clear anodised works well too. The hard coating resists the galling that happens with wrought stock.
Thanks. Did you still get galling when drag engrvin with lubricant.
@@RotarySMP I didn't actually get to the point where I tried using a lubricant. I sort of gave up when I saw how badly the uncoated material was galling up. I find that my drag engraver works better on hard material like steel, stainless and hard brass. The anodised stock still leaves a raised edge but it is at least uniform in depth and the line widths are fairly consistent. I am very keen to see how your control panel works out. I am particularly interested in how you integrate the MPG. I note that TOT is interested too.
Regards,
Mark Presling
@@Preso58 What angle did you grind your drag engraver to? I think mine is a 90° included angle.
@@RotarySMP I have two bits. One is 120 degrees and the other is 90. I recently purchased a second DE bit from Boring Resarch in the USA. It has a magnetic retention of the bit and it takes standard Dremel brazed carbide bits. I find that the 120 degree bits work well in soft materials. They give a wider engraved line without raising as much of a burr. I also have a diamond bit which works really well in hardened steel and stainless steel. I did some videos on the DE process. ruclips.net/video/ssMNH-LhsEI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/FD81bJNtbK4/видео.html
Anodised stock definitely helps.
Regards,
Mark
@@Preso58 My stock was just whatever was laying around. I grind up my own bits. I'll try making a 120° one.
It looks great to me that counter sink is very nice wish i had one
Not essential for just a couple of hols like this. I could have just used a normal coutersink in the drill press and set it's stop, but nice of you have to do a whole skin panel.
Very neat job, thanks.
Thank you.
Nice project, it's coming on well!
Thanks.
lovely panel
Thanks.
Nice and Great Job!
Yesterday I mounted the Home Sensors on my Lathe. (short video in my Instagram)
The Electronic box did earlier with encoders switches and buttons. (Photos in the same place)
Good on you.
0:56 i love this type of old panels, one problem is that whit that buttons if you break the cable is very complicated to fix because is sealed
Good point. I doubt the Mini-lathe will see enough hours in service to wear one out, but their is always the risk of dropping something on it.
@@RotarySMP very truth, if i had that type of button or similar connection i would cut the cables very close to the body and solder or use that screwing terminals or something similar and glue the terminal in the body of the component
Nothing wrong with the Boeing surplus countersinks. They are literally surplus because the new aerodynamic rivets are no longer a basic 100 degree head design, the new rivets have flat-ish sides near the head and a counter sink below. Also, it is machines doing the majority of that work now and they do not require this tool.
THanks for that info. Shame they shut that store. It was the greatest shop on earth.
The Boeing surplus store closed a long time ago didn't it? I thought they were supposed to be online.
Where do you get your boeing surplus stuff?
This ws all bought during a couple of visits to the physical shop in Renton, back in the 90's and early naughties. Bummer that it closed. It was the greatest shop on earth, ever!!!
I'm probably missing this info somewhere in one of these videos, but what's the name of the music that's played in the intro?
General one - Freedom Trail Studio.
Great video, and VERY nice work! Please tell me, why do you pocket even the large cutout for the keyboard? On this job, you could have drilled a few holes inside, and screwed the waste plate down along with everything else. No tabs or cleanup needed and a nice surface all the way around. Just curious!
Thanks. I wasn't very familiar with the software, and couldnt work out a better way at that time. I have since gotten better at using it.
That jog wheel could make a decent volume control 🤔
It would be a pretty big amp faceplate for it to fit.
@@RotarySMP I was thinking more for my computer.
@@almostanengineer Woul look cool. They cost about $15 from Ebay.
First! And you should hit up Tony if he wants to do a collaboration with you, where you make a similar part for his CMC mill.
I have been helping a little with the interpretation of the german tech data for the Maho. He is doing a very different retro fit than mine though.
@@RotarySMP Yeah, that is sure. In his newest video (which I watched directly before this one, I love it when coincidences align like this!) he mentioned he wanted to keep a manual option (Computer Mediated Control), and obviously, he needs to mount the three jog wheels somehow. And since this part looks very nice, I could imagine a similar one in usual Mahogreen on his mill.
And since Nico has not yet again brought something new to fix, I assume you have a bit more time.
@@vincentguttmann2231 Yeah I watched Tony's newest video with my breakfast. He is a master. I loved his "and this is where Maho mounts its speakers."
Nico has been away, so no new jobs for him lately.
@@RotarySMP Phew. Thanks for taking us with you for the journey, and thanks for your time!
@@vincentguttmann2231 Thanks for the positive feedback. It helps with the motivtion on an endless project like this.
At 22:55 i cryed a litlle bit. Please send me your adress and i will send you some screw's DIN7380. The DIN912 screws hurt! :D
Great video as always. :)
I like the rivets and the switches!
Thanks. I was already planning to get some 7380's, to replace the DIN 912s, but didn't have any here.
@@RotarySMP I'm serious! send me your address (in the discord / forum) and I will send you some. is M3x6 ok?
@@surmetall5596 Thanks.
excellent
Thanks.
. I love watching someone who innovates as a simple matter of course. Could the bit tearing the metal be from flex where it springs into the main shaft?
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.Although it is a reamed hole, the carbide bit does move a little in it.
love your channel. I'm keen to bet at the number of minutes in each video before you screw something up.
Yeah, I am working hard at making fewer mistakes, but am pretty careless at times unfortunately.
When you do the video next week can you give detail on wiring up the mpg and the 3 position switch please I'd like to make my own pendant just not 100% sure I'd know what to do
It will either be next week, or the week after. The fabrication and housing of that end of the lathe is taking me a little more effort than expected.
It kinda seems like you have worked with sheet metal before - just saying 😄
Those rivets are awesome 👍🏼
What’s your plan about the Maho spindle - high rpm update?
I did an apprenticship as an aircraft mechanic, so I really like sheet metal work. I kind of keep an eye out for an ISO40 spindle speeder.That would be the easiest, although they are pretty highly stressed pieces of kit. The other option would be to make a mount to use a chinese HF spindle.
@@RotarySMP I have engraved at 1000rpm, 4000rpm would be a luxury!
The Chinese spindles are so cheap that it's hard to find a good argument for using anything else. How about a mounting thingy with an ISO40 taper on it, but then with a bracket to hold it out to the side/front. You would need some way to hold it at a repeatable angle, but that would allow you to choose whether it sat out fron, left or right of the main spindle.
Or, for a really fun project, maybe live tool? If you look on eBay you can occasionally find frameless motors, which look like a good starting point. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264630038513 for example.
Or, possibly, use a Chinese HF spindle and a belt-drive to a coaxial collet held in the main spindle. (A quick calculation shows that a Poly-Vee drive belt at 24,000 rpm would hit max allowable speed on a 95mm pulley, and a timing belt on a 79mm pulley, which sounds big enough to do the job.
@@andypughtube Hi Andy. It engraves nicely at 4000rpm with D-bits. , but just takes forever. I even ground up some pyramid tip engravers to see what they are like, but still choose the drag engraver for that job. I need to try it with lube and see if that would sort the tearing.
The Coaxial belt drive attachement would be pretty cool though.
@@RotarySMP "Try it with lube to sort the tearing". Reminds me of an unfortunate experience that rather spoiled the moment.
@@andypughtube :)
Eggplant emoggi, peach emoggi
Black anodizing would look nice on that one, would also make the surface a bit harder and scratch resistant.
True, but I am not set up for anodizing.
You really aren't shy with throwing in commercials. 9 must be some kind of record! 🥴
Really? That is a lot. I added one at about 8 min, and one at 16 minutes. The rest is You tube.
@@RotarySMP Yes, I figured as much. Maybe RUclips by this point knows that it's unlikely for me to turn your Sunday video off. Keep up the great work!
@@alexanderpaaskeborjesson3574 Thanks. I think You tube is going to keep cranking the ads till everyone pays €10/month for premium ad free, or everyone leaves.
That might just work 😅
mind me asking what you pay for feature cam. Autodesk will not give me a straight answer on cost.
No idea, this is an ancient version from 2005 from a previous job.
Nice work!...can you provide a link to the keyboard?..looks great.
I got it used on ebay-Kleinanzieger.de search "folientastatur". There are none in there at present.
Great, exactly what i still have to do, hope you share the hal file.
Will do.
When you did the big cutouts (keyboard and encoder) I don't understand why you turned the entire areas into chips, instead of just cutting round the perimeter.
I'm clearly missing something.
You are missing my incompetence with that software. While I stood there frm 25 minutes watching the Maho turn that all into chips, I had the brain flash,that I could have made a groove tool path. :(
"Axee" - is that a machinist's in-joke or something
Nah, it comes from mixing up german and english.
hello friend where did you buy this keyboard could you send me the link
I got it used through Ebay.kleinanzeiger.de with the search "Folientastatur"
Damn. Now I want to drive to Dresden Airport, find the workshops and raid their waste bins...
Good plan. Aviation is pretty wasteful. I still kick myself for te time I saw a sheet titanium APU compartment firwall in the rubbish bin, and didn't take it.
@@RotarySMP but how would one get in? I also still envy the eevblog dumpster. But it seems no such thing exists here in Germany, or you'd be arrested for trespassing.
@@klaernie You really need to be an insider. Does Airbus have a surplus store in Hamburg? Boeing Surplus in Seattle was my altime favourite shop on earth :)
"I'm quite happy with that" made my OCD explode and then in the ultimate nod to irony, you used a aircraft countersink.....
:)
Where is the keypad from? USB?
I covered that in Episode 28.
ruclips.net/video/pALfaq9Thgc/видео.html
Less interested in the making of the box but more interested in the actual wiring to make this work.
This week I am still working on the box sorry. Takin glonger than I expected.
"Boeing surplus in Seattle" wow, I thought you were in .au/.nz/.uk...I think that's still in Kent (?) ...I went there long time ago but their prices were unimpressive, so stopped going. Can you say what state you're in? Did you get a Boeing job? I've an article from ten years ago that engineers dreading their decision to outsource electronics design, it "came back to bite them"....obv. they kept on keeping on as the india software was implicated in 3rd world crashes (africa), and the sketchy CEO's were already maxing out their stock price in the $800+ range while elevators and roofs went w/o maintenance. Now they are consolidating operations to Everett and leaving Renton in downsizing efforts..
I live in Vienna, Austria. I only visited Seattle a few time on business or courses.
Did... did you just say "web-based online program"...? **eye starts twitching**
Sorry, that video was a while ago. What was the context?
I still have no idea where I am with this series 🤨
You are at episode 35. It starts at Episode 1 :)
@@RotarySMP I'm not though, I'm somwhere between 1 and 35, I'm just watching them all again.
@@almostanengineer Thanks for watching.
Btw i think i have a spare 3d taster i Will send you if i every can find it 👍😂
Wow, that would be cool. Thanks. I have started making a Renishaw style 3D probe, but I think my initial design sucks, and it probably wont work, so it is back on the back burner.
@@RotarySMP i got a machine i am thinking about putting a renishaw probe on. How complicated would it be? It has heidenhein controller? I have No idea how its done
@@nikolaiownz Is that for your CMX 1100V? The probe itself probably only outputs a single signal. Most Renishaws these days transmit this wirelessly to a base station which would feed the signal into the controller. Contact open/contact not open. I am not sure how complicated it would be to integrate that into a heidenhain controller, but imagine you just have to pay them to unlock existing software features to access the probing routines.
Someone wrote a very nice probing screen widget for LinxuxCNC...
vers.by/en/blog/useful-articles/probe-screen
You beat me to it, I was going to offer a Zeiss touch probe (from a CMM). One of several that I found in a skip.
Nice but 9 commercials in 24 min video lol
Some one else also reported this. I put ad breaks at about minute 08:00 and minute 16:00. I guess RUclips is just going to load up more and more ads till we all pay the 10 bucks a month for premium or leave.