I'm not sure how accurate the sound is in video vs in real life. That said, I preferred the wood as the titanium end button sounded a bit nasal and harsh to me.
Bright and shiny for an orchestral soloist perhaps. For a very dark sounding instrument, perhaps. It is subjective, but for me, an instrument a hairs breadth from shrill and tinny is not for me at all, but it seems to be the fashion. It seems that the decibel has become king. I see tinnitus being an increasing problem.
I'm not sure, but my personal impression is that the titanium tailpiece favors the higher overtones, at the cost of the lower ones. If this is true, the titanium is good for a more piercing sound, maybe intimate performances, while the wooden tailpiece is better for concert halls (as the projection is more dependent on the lower overtones). Anyone else heard that? There's a more objective way of measuring this, with a spectrogram (periodogram), but I can't do it now
Note separation and definition, yes, though arguably at the expense of warmth. As a guitar maker, we have had questions like this for some time, and builders will choose details such as this that naturally compliment the particular sound of their instruments. Interesting comparison, thank you.
It's incredible how people are able to distinguish such a subtle difference by listening to a RUclips video that is far from being recorded in hifi conditions and probably played in a cellular. Just amazing...
I don't think I could tell them apart if they weren't compared side to side. However, it certainly makes a noticeable difference: the titanium pin brings out a lot of clarity and increased note separation out of the same instrument. Different people will have different preferences depending on their needs, though, but it's great to have choices covering different sonic purposes.
It amazes me, how does one changing the endpin without affect the 4 strings tension (therefore does not affecting toning of all 4 strings) in the same violin within such short time for so many times. It is a miracle to me!
Have you check and adjust string afterlenght before and after ? Did you measure diameter where rope goes? Was the same? Metal hollow end buttons are wider -> so you may end up with longer string afterlenght -> and this can have impact on sound.
Titanium button gave a little more volume and brightness i think would have to listen a little more. I prefer the sound of the ebony piece, smoother and richer sound
So interesting. I was totally surprised last time with the titanium tailpiece, and now this. So far I've only listened once but the upper register seems clearer.
I can hear a huge difference ! sounds much brighter !! but does it have any downside ? what Lena think about this ? i'd love to see more comparison on other violins
I love your channel! The titanium sounds brighter and just a little more resonant. However, I think you need to adjust the soundpost and/or bridge slightly to make full use of this increased brightness. Right now, it is emphasizing too high overtones and making it sound a bit brittle. (Or it could be the digital compression distorts the sound quality on RUclips?) Can you adjust it so the overtones in the first two-to-three octaves above the open strings are accentuated and the higher partials ones are not? In other words, from the G string, bring out the overtones in the range of D5-D7 (700-2500 Hz?) thank you for this demonstration!
Hi Edgar ! Happy New Year all the best. I have a question. Could u please tell me I just got a cello? It does have pegs like a bass metal and is very old cello.is that makes good or bad . Thank you.
Hi Edgar! Thank you for your video. Do you think the endpin material makes a bigger difference in a master violin than if the top would be 0.1 mm too thick ?
Nice to find your channel. Approaching my Birthday, number 70. Something I have not yet accomplished that I want, to is to play the Violin/Fiddle. My Great, Great Grandfather played the instrument despite having an arm mangled at the battle of Shiloh in 1862. I do believe you can teach an old dog a new trick. Wish me luck. Hope to play: "Breton Gavottes" (YT) by Kevin Burke and Micheal O'Domnhaill.
Dude, thanks for all the great knowledge! I have been fixing old German and Italian violins for several years, I have one old German violin it has great sound potential, but it sounds very "hollow" and not meaty, even though I built a new bridge and sound post for it and fixed a button, lower nut etc.. Is there Anything you can recommend from your experience that could solve the problem?
Hmmm, it could only be told in the hall, i think. It seems to lose density, which might translate to less projection than the ebony. Being able to unscrew and look inside while installed is very cool for luthiers.
I like the titanium endpin. It would be interesting to hear the difference between the hollowed and solid Stradpet titanium end pins. As I understand it the hollowed one are meant for a dark sounding violin and the solid one for a bright sounding violin. And what if its combined with their titanium tailpiece and finetuner? I was thinking of buying their titanium tailgut, are you going to review that too please?
I would like to see the difference between a classic setup and a setup with titanium end pin and titanium tailpiece with carbon fibre bridge and with wooden bridge.
@@Mr.MT3 in my experience titanium has similar musical properties to brass. I’d be interested to try a Ti guitar slide, because I bet it would sound awesome. But there are different grades of it I know. Might try and make one myself.
I’ve used these for a while. They make three sizes. S, M and L. Gunmetal grey and a bright shiny one too in both hollow and filled versions. So that’s like 12 different versions is it? I’ve also got the Stradpet titanium/kevlar tailguts which are really light AND super stable, they don’t stretch, so particularly good staying in tune. I also use the titanium fine tuners, one of those instead of the standard metal ones is probably the biggest sound difference of the Stradpet stuff. I’ve even tried the titanium chinrest fittings. I don’t think those make any noticeable difference to the sound or playability, but they did perfectly match the colour of the end pin and tuner, so that’s why they are on mine. Great job Edgar, I wish more people would try this stuff and show the results.
Listening with good headphones will let you hear the difference. It looks that the metal probably vibrate more than he wood and that makes the sound fuller and crispier. Thing about it like that, back then, many times when a reverb effect was wonted, metal springs and plates have been used to get the wonted sound. Wood, was never an option. Overtones also are enhanced through metal. So why not using a violin made from metal? Because it cannot give the characteristics of a wooden instrument, but for enhancing wooden instrument characteristics, it do the job pretty well.
I know for sure never mix water with oil, even if sound improves (i cant hear any difference on my 10 bucks speakers) i wont use it, my reason, wood moves along with moisture and temperature, but titanium mades this different, "The net effect on the wood would depend on the specific size of the hole and rod, but generally, the difference in expansion rates between the titanium and the wood is likely to induce tension on the wood, as it would try to stretch or adjust to accommodate the rod's slight expansion. If the hole is tight enough or the temperature change is significant enough, the wood might experience stress, either from compression or tension, depending on the relative expansion of the materials."
Hey Edgar, I'm contemplating getting one of those for my viola - what's the difference between the solid and the hollow? edit: nvm got them both (11 days later)
I can't stand how delicate violins are. And they obsess over trying to get like 2 decibels better sound and spend thousands$$. I'm glad we don't have to deal with this as pianists. We're always happy with our sound.
As someone who dabbled with the piano but not the violin, this is true, relatively speaking. However, there is a difference between a, say Baldwin, and a Steinway or Bösendorfer. I remember playing on a Steinway Grand Piano D in college on one occasion and knew that I would likely never have the opportunity to play on a piano as good as this again. And I am sorry to say, that sound and the delicacy of the action spoil you.
@@valuations520 I practice on a electronic piano I'm never obsessing over how I can make the sound better. Point is you can practice on a clunker at home and they will have a grand piano waiting for you at the event you're performing at. You don't have to spend a lot of money to be a pianist.
Depends on what kinds of sound you prefer 1) Old school violinist (Till 80s) will hate this sound, it's too metalic, less depth, no warmness 2) Modern Violinist may prefer this style. More like digital sound.
Just the comment I was looking for. Oistrakh, Menuhin, Heifetz... none of them had titanium endpins/buttons... they could make basically any decent violin sound great (as well as their own Strads/Guarneris of course!)
Much of shown a difference video in othe countries. We only hear and see the violin played once and we do not know with end piece is in. In other videos you always show two different parts you are testing and we see when you change the part before playing the violin. So in this video I just have to take your word as there was no comparison playing.
I noticed the difference but to be honest I didn’t like it. Unlike the titanium tailpiece which I felt was beneficial, I am not so convinced with the titanium button. A button “too far” perhaps in titanium violin technology
The endpin is necessary and should be properly fitted but is is not of any great importance for the sonorific resonance of the instrument. Essentially a violin is a sonometer and the bridge and the soundpost are the important members. Pernambuco is best for the end button. All other claims are unsubstantiated.
The wood endpin was better. Thin, shrill and soulless is not "better". Wood is an organic (once-) living thing. You should rededicate your professional pursuit to Jesus Christ. As did Guarneri and masters like J.S. Bach. Soul is everything. God is everything. These things die as Europe dies--not "progress" or improvement, rather decay.
I'm not sure how accurate the sound is in video vs in real life. That said, I preferred the wood as the titanium end button sounded a bit nasal and harsh to me.
Bright and shiny for an orchestral soloist perhaps. For a very dark sounding instrument, perhaps.
It is subjective, but for me, an instrument a hairs breadth from shrill and tinny is not for me at all, but it seems to be the fashion. It seems that the decibel has become king. I see tinnitus being an increasing problem.
And headaches too.
The titanium sounded a little bit brighter but harsher to me. Prefer the Wood button.
I'm not sure, but my personal impression is that the titanium tailpiece favors the higher overtones, at the cost of the lower ones. If this is true, the titanium is good for a more piercing sound, maybe intimate performances, while the wooden tailpiece is better for concert halls (as the projection is more dependent on the lower overtones). Anyone else heard that? There's a more objective way of measuring this, with a spectrogram (periodogram), but I can't do it now
I installed that endpin a couple of weeks ago. I am very pleased with the sound and playability.
Absolutely blown away what a lovely difference that end pin made! Wow!
Note separation and definition, yes, though arguably at the expense of warmth. As a guitar maker, we have had questions like this for some time, and builders will choose details such as this that naturally compliment the particular sound of their instruments. Interesting comparison, thank you.
It's incredible how people are able to distinguish such a subtle difference by listening to a RUclips video that is far from being recorded in hifi conditions and probably played in a cellular.
Just amazing...
I definitely can’t on my phone. I also can barely tell any difference on RUclips when luthiers play on different strings.
I don't think I could tell them apart if they weren't compared side to side.
However, it certainly makes a noticeable difference: the titanium pin brings out a lot of clarity and increased note separation out of the same instrument.
Different people will have different preferences depending on their needs, though, but it's great to have choices covering different sonic purposes.
I wish I could play as well as Lena Yokoyama, great hands!
It amazes me, how does one changing the endpin without affect the 4 strings tension (therefore does not affecting toning of all 4 strings) in the same violin within such short time for so many times. It is a miracle to me!
Thx Mr. Edgar. I can notice the difference. After you changed the endpin with the titanium one, the sound become more sonorous.
Have you check and adjust string afterlenght before and after ? Did you measure diameter where rope goes? Was the same? Metal hollow end buttons are wider -> so you may end up with longer string afterlenght -> and this can have impact on sound.
Titanium button gave a little more volume and brightness i think would have to listen a little more. I prefer the sound of the ebony piece, smoother and richer sound
I honestly can’t tell the difference online but I would love to play with Lena when I come to Cremona to pick out my cello. 🥰🎻
What a wonderful and interesting secret❤
Brilliance. Irrespective of endpin this contemporary violin is very good.
Happy new year mate from Australia 😊😊
I preferred the wood endpin's sound over the titanium. It made me research my cello endpin and peg.
So interesting. I was totally surprised last time with the titanium tailpiece, and now this. So far I've only listened once but the upper register seems clearer.
I can hear a huge difference ! sounds much brighter !! but does it have any downside ? what Lena think about this ? i'd love to see more comparison on other violins
The titanium end pin sounded brighter and slightly louder to me. Would be interesting to experiment on my violin!
Yes. I am a violist interested in trying this. The resonance is amazing, and each note clearly resonates as if not fingered!
Definitely crisper and more resonant after the upgrade.
I have tried the titanium tail gut and really liked it.. so..might have to try this also..
I love your channel! The titanium sounds brighter and just a little more resonant. However, I think you need to adjust the soundpost and/or bridge slightly to make full use of this increased brightness. Right now, it is emphasizing too high overtones and making it sound a bit brittle. (Or it could be the digital compression distorts the sound quality on RUclips?)
Can you adjust it so the overtones in the first two-to-three octaves above the open strings are accentuated and the higher partials ones are not? In other words, from the G string, bring out the overtones in the range of D5-D7 (700-2500 Hz?) thank you for this demonstration!
Hi Edgar !
Happy New Year all the best.
I have a question.
Could u please tell me I just got a cello? It does have pegs like a bass metal and is very old cello.is that makes good or bad .
Thank you.
Hi Edgar! Thank you for your video. Do you think the endpin material makes a bigger difference in a master violin than if the top would be 0.1 mm too thick ?
Nice to find your channel. Approaching my Birthday, number 70. Something I have not yet accomplished that I want, to is to play the Violin/Fiddle. My Great, Great Grandfather played the instrument despite having an arm mangled at the battle of Shiloh in 1862. I do believe you can teach an old dog a new trick. Wish me luck. Hope to play: "Breton Gavottes" (YT) by Kevin Burke and Micheal O'Domnhaill.
i could not hear much of a difference maybe a little bit . but to be honest i think they both sounded great .
Dude, thanks for all the great knowledge! I have been fixing old German and Italian violins for several years, I have one old German violin it has great sound potential, but it sounds very "hollow" and not meaty, even though I built a new bridge and sound post for it and fixed a button, lower nut etc.. Is there Anything you can recommend from your experience that could solve the problem?
Hmmm, it could only be told in the hall, i think. It seems to lose density, which might translate to less projection than the ebony. Being able to unscrew and look inside while installed is very cool for luthiers.
Help! What is the exact length of the 4/4 cello strings? What is the distance between the body and the bridge?
I like the titanium endpin. It would be interesting to hear the difference between the hollowed and solid Stradpet titanium end pins.
As I understand it the hollowed one are meant for a dark sounding violin and the solid one for a bright sounding violin.
And what if its combined with their titanium tailpiece and finetuner? I was thinking of buying their titanium tailgut, are you going to review that too please?
I would like to see the difference between a classic setup and a setup with titanium end pin and titanium tailpiece with carbon fibre bridge and with wooden bridge.
The only difference is that when you buy the titanium endpin you have $50 less in your pocket!!😄Waste of money!!!
It may or may not be a waste of money, depending on the violin. The price will come down as soon as it gets competition.
@@nickiemcnichols5397 it cost actually little less than 15 dollars
They aren’t $50 though, they are like $15
Brass would be a better choice traditionally speaking. Very musical metal. Though you do have to be working with the right alloy
@@Mr.MT3 in my experience titanium has similar musical properties to brass. I’d be interested to try a Ti guitar slide, because I bet it would sound awesome. But there are different grades of it I know. Might try and make one myself.
I’ve used these for a while. They make three sizes. S, M and L. Gunmetal grey and a bright shiny one too in both hollow and filled versions. So that’s like 12 different versions is it? I’ve also got the Stradpet titanium/kevlar tailguts which are really light AND super stable, they don’t stretch, so particularly good staying in tune. I also use the titanium fine tuners, one of those instead of the standard metal ones is probably the biggest sound difference of the Stradpet stuff. I’ve even tried the titanium chinrest fittings. I don’t think those make any noticeable difference to the sound or playability, but they did perfectly match the colour of the end pin and tuner, so that’s why they are on mine. Great job Edgar, I wish more people would try this stuff and show the results.
So what was the difference between the solid and hollow end buttons?
The titanium endpin, seems to add a reverb effect to the tone resonance of the violin.
Listening with good headphones will let you hear the difference. It looks that the metal probably vibrate more than he wood and that makes the sound fuller and crispier.
Thing about it like that, back then, many times when a reverb effect was wonted, metal springs and plates have been used to get the wonted sound. Wood, was never an option.
Overtones also are enhanced through metal.
So why not using a violin made from metal? Because it cannot give the characteristics of a wooden instrument, but for enhancing wooden instrument characteristics, it do the job pretty well.
I know for sure never mix water with oil, even if sound improves (i cant hear any difference on my 10 bucks speakers) i wont use it, my reason, wood moves along with moisture and temperature, but titanium mades this different,
"The net effect on the wood would depend on the specific size of the hole and rod, but generally, the difference in expansion rates between the titanium and the wood is likely to induce tension on the wood, as it would try to stretch or adjust to accommodate the rod's slight expansion. If the hole is tight enough or the temperature change is significant enough, the wood might experience stress, either from compression or tension, depending on the relative expansion of the materials."
Hey Edgar, I'm contemplating getting one of those for my viola - what's the difference between the solid and the hollow?
edit: nvm got them both (11 days later)
Did you hear any difference between the solid and the hollow titanium end pins?
I woulds worry about the rate of expansion w/titainium vs ebony.
I Love the Sound of this Violin
like the sound with the wood endpin better. too tinny with the titanium
Length of endpin, size and material of wood is important.
I can't stand how delicate violins are. And they obsess over trying to get like 2 decibels better sound and spend thousands$$. I'm glad we don't have to deal with this as pianists. We're always happy with our sound.
As someone who dabbled with the piano but not the violin, this is true, relatively speaking. However, there is a difference between a, say Baldwin, and a Steinway or Bösendorfer. I remember playing on a Steinway Grand Piano D in college on one occasion and knew that I would likely never have the opportunity to play on a piano as good as this again. And I am sorry to say, that sound and the delicacy of the action spoil you.
@@valuations520 I practice on a electronic piano I'm never obsessing over how I can make the sound better. Point is you can practice on a clunker at home and they will have a grand piano waiting for you at the event you're performing at. You don't have to spend a lot of money to be a pianist.
Sorry I prefer the warmth of wooden, but please may we hav difference between different wood buttons, cheap, expensive, wood types, etc.
Wonder how a titanium sound post would sound.
I think that the shoes you are wearing have more effect on the sound.
Ver interesting, but I’m not gonna do it to my student violin, unless I decide to keep it forever, and not upgrade by trading it in.
It gave an uneven frequency response for that violin but it would surely be great in a violin that is rather dead sounding.
Depends on what kinds of sound you prefer
1) Old school violinist (Till 80s) will hate this sound, it's too metalic, less depth, no warmness
2) Modern Violinist may prefer this style. More like digital sound.
Did they have titanium end pins 300 years ago ????
Just the comment I was looking for. Oistrakh, Menuhin, Heifetz... none of them had titanium endpins/buttons... they could make basically any decent violin sound great (as well as their own Strads/Guarneris of course!)
I didn't hear much difference. Perhaps the trebles were a little smoother and sweeter sounding with the Titaniun. 🤷
I cannot tell any difference. Sorry.
Much of shown a difference video in othe countries. We only hear and see the violin played once and we do not know with end piece is in. In other videos you always show two different parts you are testing and we see when you change the part before playing the violin. So in this video I just have to take your word as there was no comparison playing.
I noticed the difference but to be honest I didn’t like it. Unlike the titanium tailpiece which I felt was beneficial, I am not so convinced with the titanium button. A button “too far” perhaps in titanium violin technology
The endpin is necessary and should be properly fitted but is is not of any great importance for the sonorific resonance of the instrument.
Essentially a violin is a sonometer and the bridge and the soundpost are the important members.
Pernambuco is best for the end button.
All other claims are unsubstantiated.
i cant really tell the difference. maybe more treble. but not the good old violin sound
The titanium on youtube sounded awful. Loud and shrill like a Chinese piano next to a Shigeru.
The wood endpin was better. Thin, shrill and soulless is not "better". Wood is an organic (once-) living thing.
You should rededicate your professional pursuit to Jesus Christ. As did Guarneri and masters like J.S. Bach. Soul is everything. God is everything. These things die as Europe dies--not "progress" or improvement, rather decay.
I prefer wood