The Garmin Livescope Killer Has Arrived
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- In this video, I dive into the latest game-changing fish-finding technology, set to rival Garmin Livescope. 2024 is going to be a wild year around Forward Facing Sonar (FFS). -Daren Wendell
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Sounds perfect. I asked a Facebook group a question last week about an app based sonar. I am guessing at about $599 as a price point. Which goes for about £456.
Right on.. I look forward to seeing what people say.
Used 93sv: $450 Used LVS 32: $700. Totally doable for most fisherman. Even a new 106sv: $1,000 and new LVS 34: $1,700 isn’t too crazy.
I can tell you first hand two issue right away, 1. Sun and heat, in Florida my iPhone overheats in the sun pretty fast and the screen dims as well. 2. Battery life, if you use a phone or a tablet the screen will have to be really bright and that eats battery life pretty quick. and another note, I feel a screen needs to be a minimum 12", 9 and 10" screen are just too small. There's no free lunch guys, there's a reason Garmins are expensive.
i agree on the free lunch quote. I own a 13 inch m4 i pad pro... and its battery life is absolutely astounding. And the screen is so bright u can read it outside in the sun. The resolution blows away any garmin chart plotter so if its being utilized the definition should be astounding. It has a double layered oled screen which is how it gets so bright... and technically you can keep it charged easily off the battery bank. To be fair this is a $1200 device. Garmins entry level 12 inch unit is $1500 (down/side scan transducer included) with no increase in pixel pitch so its a bigger picture but necessarily a more detailed picture. There is also the 11 inch version Ipad which is identical besides the smaller size that prices out at $899 which is just about what i paid for my garmin 93 sv uhd chart plotter. I can literally stream movies off my ipad for at least 10 hours. So yes you have some valid points to be sure but i would definitely like to test this out for sure. Garmins livescope starter kit at 12 inches is $3,199.96. Depending on Accuphys cost it could be a legitimate contender. Now the quality of the software is going to matter so this is all pure speculation. But like you said money is money is money.... and usually you get what you pay for so we will see.
@@sixtogarcia1314all good points. I’m not sure what LiveScope resolution is being pushed to the graph. My 8612 is 1920x1080 yet when zoomed into about 70-90 feet of range it’s pixelated. Many have seen my videos and admire the clarity what they are not considering is that my range is set at 120-135 feet. So it looks really clear. Zoom in and you lose some the clarity.
Build a screen shield with starboard
@@marksanko6138 you’re obviously not from the south. I’ve got sunshades on my Garmin’s and they work great early and late when the sun is low. From 10:30 to 4 they don’t do anything to shield the Florida sun. Like the previous reply to my comment you’ll spend a bit to get a descent tablet that you can see with decent battery life. Not sure you’ll save much in the long run. However if competition gets Garmin and others to up their game on features and/or price. I’m for it.
Yeah, the overheating is a problem except for they have some pretty cool shrouds meant to be used for your remote control with a drone that could be just used as a sun cover. That would work really well to keep it from overheating just a thought. Either way, I’m excited about it coming out.
Technology is moving faster while we have to fish slower to catch quality fish.
Apple is the way to go when dealing with business applications.
The overheating issue happens alot with tech items in the outdoors.
The Cannon EOS R5 camera kept overheating. Photographers had to put fans to cool it down. The camera body listed at $2500.
Newer version with the issues fixed listed at $4200 really! ( lens not included)
With the new 2025 FFS rules of most of the leagues, I think alot of the anglers will go with an improved side scan or 360 and a motor.
I would be thrilled with a set of pedals and a Garmin side scan.
Side scan is in your future brother!
@wendellfishing Working on a set of pedals first. Looks like in April 2025. I think your kayak and trailer setup is the standard.
Chad, Gramps ,and Flukemaster are a little overboard. Keep the video content coming
@@lowlifeangler Will do
Couple of things...
The lvs 32 will in fact do perspective mode and it cost 999 (including black box)
you can use it with a echomap uhd 73 sv for cheap for 400 or so bucks or 600 bucks if you opt for the 93sv (find the units that include the gt54 ducer).
A diy pole is cheap, 50 bucks or so.
17 bucks for a finder mount.
So livescope isnt that expensive and its designed for around water use and doessnt overheat.
Their choice to use apple was very stupid!
We have four iPhone 13 phones and wish I would of stayed with Samsung Andriod. My wife's phone is a piece of crap. Dealer said it likely needs to be taken to have it cleaned. I told them it was like that when she got it so how is it to do with being dirty?
I'd be shocked if this was even close to the same performance quality
Let me guess. It’s an underwater drone with a camera that you can attach a lure to and go down and literally attach the lure to the fish’s mouth. Am I close? Because that’s pretty much the next step beyond livescope.
Stay inside, you are safe there.
@@DAVESLAM😅🥴😷😷🦠💉💉💉💉 bad memory of a certain stupid era
I read somewhere else that an Android version will be available mid 2025.
There we go… still have concerns on overheating. Feel like it will be the Achilles heel.
The website says Android version in coming in 2025.
As for the overheating issue, I am typing this on a Okitel RT5 Android tablet ($250) that I have used with the Garmin navionics boating app for the last two years.
I live in Alabama and this tablet is regularly used in direct sun in 95-100 degree temps for 6-8 hours at a time and has never overheated once. Paying $1000+ for an ipad that is already prone to overheating to use with this sonar unit is insane.
While I don't think this sonar unit has the clarity of the higher end Garmin units, it seems to me to have plenty of resolution to at least let me know that there are bait fish there for my castnet and if fish are at least present on the structure I want to fish. Good enough for me.
I just got a 10 inch garmin about a month ago on sale for $1000, now i am waiting til spring for the livescope box and transducer to go on sale.
Love it!
Don’t wait.
I hope they put the lvs34 on black Friday special, it's lightyears above the lvs32.
Your going to love the live scope .I have had mine for 2yrs, I have live scope linked to all 3 of my Garmin 9, 10, 12, don’t go no smaller than a 10 inch. The 9 inch is just a bit to small screen
black friday has arrived!!!!
Latest Response from Accuphy:
1. What is the price?
The pricing information will be announced in October, 2024.
2. When will the product be available?
The products will be launched in November, 2024. We are in discussions with distributors in various regions regarding timing for launch in their respective territories. Details will be updated on our website.
3. What IOS devices are supported?
iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported. User may need to update the devices to the latest OS version (17.6 or newer version), in order to work with our sonar unit.
4. Will the product support Android?
Currently only IOS is supported. Android support will be released in mid-2025. Our sonar products are future proofing, i.e. existing hardware will be supported by future app releases, both IOS and Android.
5. What is the power input specification?
Our live sonar requires 12V DC nominal power input, with input range from 11 ~ 18V. Typical power consumption is 15W, and max power consumption is 30W.
Guess not
@@ZZ430T56 Big facts there... Ghostware
I’ve been keeping up on these units still going to be pretty pricey. They’re gonna be in the $500 to $700 range but as you stated you still have to get an iPad/ phone if you don’t have one and some sort of mounting and protection so you’re still back up in, the normal range for a FFS unit, but it is nice as you stated you could have it on your phone and walk around with it.
Right on
I think if you want to live scope, I guess just go with Garmin traditional stuff. I'm not interested in ffs really
I'm hoping products like this will force Lowrance/Garmin and others to make a more stand alone product (Like the Eagle 9)
@@Bovus13 they already have did you miss that at icast?
Its a single beam unit and lowrance also revealed a new budget unit.
Trash
Thank you for the information
You bet!
I have had my garmins since they came out. They have been through hell and back, including being under water. I will stick w garmin. Not to mention the great customer service.
Sales continue to thrive.
Livescope units can be had relatively cheap if you’re willing to buy secondhand. I completely rigged my kayak with a 9” and LVS32 for $2000
Sounds like you got a deal!
I saw a demo of one of these, and the concept is fantastic, but its reliance of an Apple devices just plain dumb...why would they eliminate 75% off their potential market. Also, ipads are not exactly known for their rugged durability. However, whether accuphy succeeds or not, this is clearly a concept that other companies will exploit, and we will definitely be seeing some inexpensive FFS in 2025.
Right on 👍
Because this will "force" android to buy the tech from them.
That’s why I never buy 1st genz, 2nd genz will probably solve that problem as more companies jump in and it’ll become available or work with any screen. Maybe other chartplotter companies will buy them out or make screens compatible with this?
Garmin is tough to beat
One would say impossible to beat
Little update, still not out and wont be for a few months they are testing the equipment for winter. And they still haven’t made their mind on how to connect it. Wifi is 100% debating on if they should add a cord connection too( i said yes). So it well work on iOS, iPad OS. Android is coming, and don’t worry they are making their own screen too, now hows all of that going to work IDK. But they well have every from your 2d to live so there is that, all plug and play. Price idk if i can disclose because idk if they have even set it right yet, but they did give me a general range( is not too bad, if it works as the rep describes).
I will press em hard at ICAST :)
@ oh ya i was talking to the rep, and I’ll get to visit them in their warehouse and hopefully try the sonar on water the day too. Just before they are out
I don’t fish in the heat….i’ll be picking this up as soon as it is available
Right on!
By this logic, Deeper would have taken the place of Humminbird/Lowrance/Garmin. Live sonar will always be run by these big 3
It’s a cool idea but honestly just save your money and heartache and buy the Garmin stuff. It’s proven from a majorly successful company. This stuff coming out of china is honestly horrible.
im sure the apple vision glasses will fit right in
There we go
Using your phone is absolute garbage, we already had phone based sonar units and they absolutely shred your battery levels.
Plug it in😂
Very interesting. I’m still trying to learn how to use my ff. I use side scan far more right now but then I like shallow bank fishing not playing Video games.
Right on
I will wait for someone to invent glasses that allow you to see everything below the water just by looking! That will be great!
give it 4 years
I can catch a meal of any fish i feel like eating in an hour or less on the Mississippi from shore without any of that crap.
Accuphy will release an android version mid 2025.
You can make a sun’s protection for both a better screen view & shading the ipad.
Power consumption is 15 to 30W peak power. 11 to 18Vdc range.
iPad 8th gen, iPad mini 5th gen, iPad pro 3rd gen, iPhone 11 and later models are supported.
Got these infos directly from them.
Made my own box. For ice fishing.
Broom handle holder 2.00
Ammo box 10.00
3 feet of 3quarter electric pipe.
Milwaukee battery port 25.00
I run a kdrill so I run the unit on Milwaukee batteries. I'm up to 2500.00 7 years ago.
That's pretty slick!
No battery purchase necessary for garmin livescope. Those who do are just “drinking the cool-aid”.
So I've an invented homemade ice pak to keep my cellphone cool on hot days.. Maybe worth a shot for a tablet for the unit! Just a thought!📝👀👍🏾
If they are serious about making a dent in the market, they NEED to make an Android version and to push updates regularly. As this is an app-based product, they also need to publish tons of, or get a hold of, maps from around the world (USA, Canada, China, etc), otherwise, it is pretty pointless and you'd be better off going with the cheapest live sonar there is and buy the transducer for it and the maps.
Right on!
No way an Ipad/phone would work in that environment. Water/Sun/heat, and did we mention glare? If they were smart they would develop their own Monitor/processor/lithium battery that is designed to do the job. As is it will be a complete failure.
These brands hummingbird, lowrance, garmin knew accuphy was coming out. So they are rushing to release a new cheaper live scope.... But we all know how their cheap shayt is junk so don't buy it you'll be sorry and waste your money.
Yeah the eagle lowrance has 2 beams vs 5 in all others, accuphy comprised
Imagine this with Apple Vision Pro or VR! That's the future....good or bad fisherman will be casting looking through a set of VR goggles attached to live scope!
Right!?!
$4000? Try $1600
You lost me when you said ipad ! Junk on a boat for multiple reasons
Your phone will over heat in the sunshine. Best of luck !
This tech only works with apple and you have to buy an iPad and the last thing I want is an iPad falling in the water. I don't believe the computing quality of this new product will be as good. I'm not convinced yet. There's a reason Garmin, hummingbird and Lowrance are selling their products around the same price. This new product is still in development not even released yet. I'll believe it when I see it
Yeah.. they missed their release date.. not looking good
$600 cannot wait to order
Right on!
if you have the unit head already, spending $1300 for the livescope isn't that much of a difference in costs after you buy an ipad and the unit here. Garmin and Humminbird are spendy but still the king.
True story
Yea because phone screens are amazing to look at out on the water.
If nothing else, electronics developments like this, it will help bring down the cost of the other live sonars
I'll take it
I'm not about to go with an app based sonar even with the ffs capability. It could be $99 and I would still not want it. The reliability I have in my Garmin 93sv is bar now all I need. If I want ffs it will be on a Garmin, but right now I do not have a need for it.
Right on
Give it time.. This is just the beginning with this capability.
Look this is practical for most people trying hard to save money. I am one of those people.
Part of me doesn’t wanna go to live scope at all for many reasons but I also wanna find new honey holes on the river I fish every weekend.
@@turtsable I love my side scan on the river, sets me up for some great holes...I'm sure ffs will show these holes but if I can see them on side scan and down scan then why do I need ffs...I guess I am use to reading those two scans and just don't think about the easier one to read. For me it is not worth the money.....I would rather get new Newport 300 than ffs but that is just me. What is next underwater cameras showing us the actual picture of the fish....but then again I am more into fishing for the fun not the tournament wins.
Oh boy I feel bad for the people wanting ffs and thinking they will get this only to realize none of it is practical for actually fishing in the elements and then spend what they should have in the first place and stuck to try and sell this garbage. Any regular ffs user knows the 9” screen is nearly the bare minimum you want to look at to separate what’s is what on screen without having it stuck to your face. I’ll deal with a black box way before getting a ffs that runs on a phone or iPad. Kayak users may see the benefit of less weight on board but will sacrifice elsewhere to do so.
I’ve ran active target 1 which is still a great ffs and I still swapped to Garmin for a lvs34 and lvs62. Just remember you get what you pay for.
As of now, Garmin is king of the FFS, buy once, cry once, I would never consider buying this because it is an app based system. Stick with the systems that have been vetted by thousands of anglers and don’t fall for these cheap options that will leave you frustrated and wishing you had not bought them.
Of course only on an apple wha6 about Android??
I am sure it will follow soon
Mid 2025 android version is coming
I know it’s not AS good but I got a 9”helix MSI MDI, a pole, a dongle and a mega live ducer for $2,000. $799 per unit at bass pro. Was supposed to be $899 with club card and someone made a mistake lol
I like those mistakes!
Its good to have more competition in the market.
I agree with that
I had to upgrade to HDS Live 12 to get AT2. About the same price as my boat!
When your iPad or I phone overheats. From being in the direct sun. Time to go home 🙄
:)
im waiting buying as soon as launch
Right on
I'll stick with Garmin livescope.
I used to get by with a paper burner and a Loran-C, so...
when this comes out i bet there will be alot of cell phones and i pads at the bottom of the lake
Big facts
They said Android will be released mid 2025!
There we go
God I’ve been waiting for some company to come out with a legit sonar/FFS setup that just uses your IPhone!!! Looked into it my self and yeah don’t have near the funds to even get this thing started lol.
Accuphy - Panoptix is the Chinese 'live scope" for iPad. Their website claims sold out. may be true as I'd certainly buy one but I'm wondering if they aren't under attack by the big fish-finder companies OR being bought out by them to keep it off the market.
I dont think they ever had them for sale yet.. the launch was supposed to Q4 of 2024. They are slated to be at ICast again... so I will talk to them
@@wendellfishing Cool. Thanks. I definitely want one. The only way I'm ever going to have anything like livescope. And I LOVE sticking to the big guys. 😁
@@stickermigtigger Ha! That price point on the accuphy may not be much more than this one. Have you looked into this? ruclips.net/video/UobqNSEhMpU/видео.html
@@wendellfishing Whoohoo!! I might can afford live. Thanks. I haven't seen this before.
This is going to be cheap fishermen burning money only to have regrets and realize they should have just bought the garmin livescope instead of bad quality sonar.
Exactly
Hopefully it will take enough of the market, that garmin will lower the cost. It’s ridiculous right now.
Overhearing, what about getting too cold? I'm sure it has a limit, I fish anywhere from 5 degrees to 95 degrees and my Garmins haven't had a hiccup. You lost me at apple compatible only anyways, I'll stick with my lvs32 and 126sv ultra.
Yeah.. they are rolling out an android in 2025.. but yeah.. I hear ya
Imaging trying to see anything on your phone after using the 126 😂. I run a 126 and 106 for ffs’s as well and there’s no going back.
Put your hands in your pockets
They are uncontrollable
@@wendellfishing Haha!
He is promoting this product to get one free!
No, he’s not
I’m waiting to see the reviews on the new Lowrance Eagle 9 live $1000(No black box)
Right on
No it’s trash : only 2 beam vs 5 on all other, accuphy comprised
I have two Garmin 93SV UHD's and LVS32 and black box that I got for right at $2,500 all new.
Good deal!
Hey wendell if Accuphy is the better bet in the forward looking electronics to rival the Livescope and 360 fish finding technology is it R & D that has there product unavailable ? With the desire to save money on my fishing equipment it would be nice to have their website to see what is coming soon to the market. Do you have any further updates or information .
Right now it's Phantomware because they are waaaay behind on release. Nothing as of yet
Then you lose your $2000 cel phone in the water or down the ice hole 🤣… this is a terrible idea.
Yeah that looks like hot garbage I’ll keep my garmin
Garmin stuff is kind of behind the times when a Samsung galaxy has immensely more cpu power, it's like the garmin units are built with vacuum tubes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Do they make forward facing sonar for bank anglers 😂
Only if your ice fishing :)
Of course. Kayaker.
So basically Temu Livescope 😂
lol....good one
does anyone have any intel on when this will be avalible?
Should have been out by now.. crickets at the moment
They are behind, still testing and maybe around may
Not making an android app seems like burning money
Right?!? Maybe it's in the works, but I would have started with the operating system that owns the marketshare out of the gate.
@wendellfishing I think it comes from a superiorist perspective. iPhone users and Apple have. High-quality apps tend to exist in greater quantity on apple devices, for seemingly no reason.
Do they know when it will be available yet?
I’ve heard nothing
This isn’t a good idea. Keep seeing videos on this and I have to assume none of the guys talking about it have ever tried to use a phone or tablet on the boat. The screen is not bright enough to use in bright sunlight. They will also quickly overheat and shut off when used in direct sunlight. The touch screen and glitchy when wet or with wet fingers. In cold weather, battery life is greatly reduced.
All great points, most of which were made in the video. Can't say I disagree with ya
Good luck using an iPad in direct sunlight
Good luck with this. Nothing good, is cheap, nothing cheap, is good, you get what you pay for. Buy once cry once. If this is anything like the chinese underwater cameras, yeah, have fun
So it runs on wifi or blue tooth Why not get those hud glasses
Ok what if we don't like OR use crApple? This has to be available on Samsung/Android.
They said after they launch apple they will launch android but the are behind on launching period!
1800 dollars. Not 4k
up to $4k
Will not work in the rain or moisture screen. Been there done that with a 16 inch screen. Stop the lie. Your tablet or iPad will have to be waterproof. Save yourself some time and money.
Garmin Livescope Killer??? How much did they pay you to make this video lol. This system would drain an iPad in 2 hours. Not to mention you couldn’t use it with the sun out for risk of overheating 🥵
Ça ne va pas tuer les lvs32/34/62 …
La portée de ce truc chinois sera faible et vu les image déjà diffusée ce sera très très loin de la définition d’une lvs32…
Bref moins chère et pour un public débutant oui ! Mais cela ne tuera rien chez garmin .
I phone problems water heat ice my android eats walls for breakfast
:)
Sonar on your chest? Can you say radiation? Because that is what is being generated. Let’s hear from some engineers who understand the waves and the health risks if you “wear this on you chest”???
Not sonar on your chest.. your display unit (phone) on your person
I have never had my Samsung overheat. Is that a stupid apple thing? My Samsung is attached to a mount on my kayak for the whole day in the summer sun for photos and if I use my Deeper. When I'm fishing from the dock it's sitting on my tackle box in the sun the whole day. I'm not sure why they have limited their product to such a shitty phone.
Does anyone have the accuphy yet ?
Anyone? Still waiting for the on the water reviews
You lost me at China.
The delay on this is gonna be fucking insane… get the real Livescope and cry once on the price. You won’t be disappointed.
>china
aww hell no
You can buy the for $2500. On top of that you can make payments at a lot of places like Scheels.
its vaporware...
Ha! Maybe you’re right!
Garmin will just lobby to have them banned in the us. Just like they did to ban DJI. Can't have those Chinese making money from fairly priced quality electronics.
No accuphy is already working with dealers
mask and fins will always get you the data fast...but you look silly, and you are wet all day, so this is probably better😉
It’s. Crap get Garmin keep saving till afoot garmin
Great continent and info. Why not do a decaf version where its not quite so intense, fast and without all the Trump hands. I do appreciate the video but its a little too much to be good entertainment. Just feedback from a guy who is not on your level of intensity and didn't enjoy the presentation.
Good feedback
I thought about Livescope Plus. A display only and Livescope Plus over $3,000 plus would still need system to mount it on side or back of boat. We have a fairly new Humminbird Helix 12 Si G4N so I bought the Mega Live. With all the updates it works fine and I invested around $1800. Humminbird had Helix units on sale discounted $500. Cabela's I got military discount and because of a mess up another 10% off and Helix 10 Di G4N just over $700. I also bought the Ethernet and two cables and found a ram mount on eBay for $52. I use the main unit for sonar with GPS Map and back unit to display Mega Live. We troll for salmon and also spring anchor fish for Summer Steelhead and Spring Chinook Salmon. The unit in the back will be great while anchored to see fish passing through and our gear. Seeing your gear and fish isn't real easy and requires ajusting sensitivity and contrast and settings based on water conditions.
Right on brother! Sounds like you are on em!
All the footage used to promote this new device appears to be livescope. There is no pricing.
I think it's a bit presumptuous to consider this no reputation companies magic new tech a livescope killer.
Sounds like you need a better job
Won't ever make it here.