@@abdulcholik7789I think they fired it where they did to not only give cover for the sand worms but because they wanted the emperor alive, don’t think they care too much about rules of war
@@gabriellouisemanalansan2507basically think of their digestive system as a kind of super furnace that burns and converts the mass of whatever they consume into sustenance and energy.
I love how Chanis fight sequence at the end of this clip is near identical to Paul’s fight from his vision in the tent from the first movie. In his vision it was him fighting, but in this it’s Chani.
in his visions he sees many possible futures (the Many Worlds theory in quantum physics). It's a difficult thing to express in film. They set it up masterfully, that sequence (where it ended up being Paul) was in the trailers for the Dune Part One. Villeneuve just did an incredible job. Thank you Mr. Villeneuve.
The biggest irony of this whole story is that the emperor’s downfall was of his OWN making! He insisted on wiping out the Atreides instead of keeping the Harkonnen status quo, setting up the whole shitshow that followed! He was a victim of his own nearsighted stupidity.
Well, why not have a little fun when you're at work? Sandworms are usually known for their dangerous nature but very few know that they also have a very good sense of humor and they are great at parties.
@@duncan9534 I hate how denis showed the sardaukar as trash, they are the best, most trained, most equipped soldiers in the universe with a superb legacy and history. People often say that fremen are good because of the harsh conditions they live in, what about sardaukar on selusa secundus? where most sardaukar recruits dont make it past teenage years? I find it baffling how people who were born for war, live for war and study war are portrayed as idiots in the film who drop like flies to a bunch of sand dwellers. Also how come fremen are better fighters if sardaukar are professional soldiers who live for war and are trained in shield combat which is more difficult than unshielded combat?
"Then you should just go take one," Hawat sneered. "Yes," the Fremen said. "We took one. We have it hidden where Stilgar can study it for Liet and where Liet can see it for himself if he wishes. But I doubt he'll want to: the weapon is not a very good one. Poor design for Arrakis." "You . . . took one?" Hawat asked. "It was a good fight," the Fremen said. "We lost only two men and spilled the water from more than a hundred of theirs." There were Sardaukar at every gun, Hawat thought. This desert madman speaks casually of losing only two men against Sardaukar! "We would not have lost the two except for those others fighting beside the Harkonnens," the Fremen said. "Some of those are good fighters." One of Hawat's men limped forward, looked down at the squatting Fremen. "Are you talking about Sardaukar?" "He's talking about Sardaukar," Hawat said. "Sardaukar!" the Fremen said, and there appeared to be glee in his voice. "Ah-h-h, so that's what they are! This was a good night indeed. Sardaukar. Which legion? Do you know?" "We . . . don't know," Hawat said. "Sardaukar," the Fremen mused. "Yet they wear Harkonnen clothing. Is that not strange?" "The Emperor does not wish it known he fights against a Great House," Hawat said. "But you know they are Sardaukar." "Who am I?" Hawat asked bitterly. "You are Thufir Hawat," the man said matter-of-factly. "Well, we would have learned it in time. We've sent three of them captive to be questioned by Liet's men." Hawat's aide spoke slowly, disbelief in every word: "You . . . captured Sardaukar?" "Only three of them," the Fremen said. "They fought well." If only we'd had the time to link up with these Fremen, Hawat thought. It was a sour lament in his mind. If only we could've trained them and armed them. Great Mother, what a fighting force we'd have had!
Denis Villeneuve should be doing the 40k series. The Dune films have been brilliant, the battle sequences jaw dropping. Cavil should be on the phone to either him or Neil Blomkamp.
The most ridiculous part of this scene is that the Fremen and the Sandworms just pass through an area that has been irradiated by 3 nuclear missiles. No worries.
Beautiful. Listening to this I recall the Deshe Bashara scene in TDKR where Gotham police riots against the terrorists. Though the build and pay off was short in TKDR. This however is beautiful and really something else.
I wish the fight was a little more even. Maybe have some Sardaukar kill a lot of freemen to make it more epic. It looked too easy. Other than that. Pretty well made
That was part of the point. The sardaukar after years of sedentary usage weren't as great as the fremen by any means who basically fight everyday of their lives. On top of that, they weren't adept at shieldless combat, had no conception that the fremen could ride the worms and completely underestimated the sheer numbers they would arrive in. The Sardaukar were the greatest fighting force among all the houses but the fremen are the greatest period.
@@WorkedSix28zerozero1 I think you are wrong because sardaukar are born for war, live for war and study war. They are a professional fighting force that has unlimited budget, best training and best selection of recruits. Frank herbert had some weird fixation on fremen being OP while completely disregarding sardaukar who logically would be superior in every way. Theres arguments that the sardaukar got complacent over the years however what about the other factors I mentioned, how does being complacent nullify every other advantage they have. Also about shieldless combat, shielded combat is way more difficult because its just like shieldless combat but you have to slow down your blade in the last second, essentially they were always trained to fight with a handicap so shieldless combat should be way easier for them, plus since they live for war and train every second of their life, they probably do train unshielded combat aswell. Also you said they may not have known that fremen could ride worms which again I have to disagree with because in the first movie Paul literally watches some documentary hologram about fremen and their culture etc and they mention worm riding in there, what makes you think the best military in the world doesnt have that knowledge and doesnt know their enemy?
@@Themilkman95in the books use of atomics for warfare is banned under a mutually assured destruction kind of scenario. Paul argues that he only used them to open the way and not as a weapon. Plus he needs the emperor alive to claim legitimacy.
Using three atomic warheads on a mountain range in real life would not necessarily collapse the mountain. The US Air Force calculated that their NORAD HQ in Cheyenne Mountain would need to suffer a direct hit (within a few meters accuracy) by a Soviet nuke to make the entire mountain collapse on top of the NORAD bunker.
2:12 Them really not understanding what they're sensing behind the dust is freaky and that massive worm revealing itself with that crazy noise must be so disturbing for them.
Even if they brought the entire Sardukar AND the Hark contingent… they wouldn’t have been enough… a character once said “once i thought that you were too many…. Now i wonder if you all would be enough…
I absolutely love this scene, but one thing is bugging me. No one uses shields on the sands of Arrakis due to them attracting worms, so why did the Sardaukar not use laser rifles to mow down the charging Fremen?
Risk of explosion if one of then was wearing a shield, the reaction can happen at the shooter or the shield wearer, theyd just be killing all their men as well, too much risk
@@oroboros88 This scene just doesnt make sense logically, if they are behind the shield wall in an area which worms cant enter, why dont they have personal shields? And even after they blew up the shield wall and entered with worms, why didnt they use lasers at all? They showed the sardaukar as super weak and everyone is glazing fremen now.
@@joebutler7982 that's pretty much exactly how it was in the books even before Paul taught them better tactics. Frank used Gulf war numbers as a comparative logistic. Fremen would win altercations with 80% of the time. Fremen women, elders and children were able to scare a squad off
@@oroboros88 Sure gulf war, vietnam, afghanistan etc saw a much weaker defending insurgency achieve victory over the best military in the world, however it wasnt because they charged the enemy army in a massive battle like shown in this movie, infact during the same gulf war first phase of the ground invasion where saddams armies faced off coalition forces in the open desert, saddams forces were completely decimated without trace while coalition forces suffered 0 casualties. The casualties were suffered in the later guerilla fighting and city occupations. Dune 2 did show guerilla fighting and that did make sense but the final battle doesnt make much sense, the fremen are only strong because they have home advantage and used guerilla tactics to control spice production and starve the harkonnens out which is how it was described in the book. In the book even after the final battle was won (with casualties on the fremen side as well as emperors) the emperor was pressured to give up the throne by the spacing guild as paul had complete control over the spice fields and it was a very powerful political bargaining tool.
I would imagine its a highly advanced, highly refined version of basic memory metals they are playing with today. Using heat they induce a phase change (?) in the metals atomic structure so it can expand/contract from one shape to another. So in this far flung future, they probably dropped a solid block of metal out the bottom of the ship and it opened outwards like a flower, deploying into a prefab base.
Basically only with the worms it was enough to win the battle :v. The Emperor never imagined what kind of monster he created the day he made the choice of betray the Artreides house.
Rather than the Fremen and Sardaukar 'bum rushing' each other, some tactics or formations might have been employed. Imagine the spectacle of disciplined, formed up Sardaukar overrun by Fremen fanaticism... As for the guys on the side of the Shield Wall breach...tough luck there. Shai-Hulud> Rushed, but ultimately, I chalk it up to Muad'Dib's prescience that the battle went off without a hitch.
Atomics are forbidden to Use on humans (which is why Paul just opens the wall) and it costs a shit ton of money to bring battleships to other planets, especially since the fremen bribed the spacing guild with spiceto Limit orbital activity.
@Graf69 the Emperor is the richest thing in the universe and traveling to a hostile planet. Having back up and nukes more to deter other planet seems wise. Essentially since he should be worried scared other families rebell
@@TimesFM4532 its stated multiple times that the harkonnens are way richer than the emperor due to the spice and even they could barely finance the assault on the atreides. If the emperor brought any nukes the Great Houses would surely attack him
@@TimesFM4532if you brought an army that hadn’t lost a war in over a thousand years you’d think you’d be able to handle a guerrilla army.. fatal consequences in this instance
Basically, mountain range or "shield-wall" the atreides atomics were dropped on was protecting the south from the storms behind it. When the mountain was felled, the storms disrupted the shield capabilities and their overall technological advantage hence why also the ornithopters were destroyed when caught inside.
Why would you line up in squares exposed on all sides like you were about to fight Napoleon. Didn’t they know there were nukes around somewhere? Didn’t they know about Sandworms? Why don’t they use lasers, or tanks or artillery?
I wish they reinforced some ideas a little more but I understand they cut a lot for pacing. Nukes weren’t expected because their use was banned for warfare. Paul kinda sidesteps this as a technicality by arguing he used them on an environmental feature and not as a weapon. Plus he needs the emperor alive to support his legitimacy (even though they don’t accept his ascendancy, it lessens the resistance to the jihad which saves lives). Sand worms weren’t expected because of the shield wall, but they blew a big whole in it… I believe the huge storm negated the use of shields. Also using shields is a risk because contact with a single lazgun fire sets off a chain reaction similar in yield to a nuclear explosion (something I wish they showed in the first movie). Plus it drives worms into a frenzy so once the wall is breeched it wouldn’t make sense to use anyways. Tanks, artillery, and conventional projectiles are considered obsolete because of lazguns and shields. They would’ve had to predict the latter two being negated in order to use them effectively. I suppose Paul could’ve used lazguns once the shields were down but he probably wanted to demonstrate the superiority of his forces for the coming wars. Planets would be quicker to capitulate if they knew the victory wasn’t a gimmick.
@@c433z Thank you for posting that! I think that if you can't use lazguns because they trigger a "nuclear" chain reaction when interacting with shields, then they should still use conventional guns. Because this lazgun/shield drawback would mean that conventional guns aren't obsolete yet.
@@Melior_Traiano conventional projectiles are still used in limited cases but shields make them virtually ineffective. You’d think everyone would just use remote controlled lazguns, but the explosion created is indistinguishable from a nuclear one, so the convention against nukes is still in effect.
@@c433z One thing that doesnt make sense is that they didnt use EITHER shields or lazguns, If they didnt know the shield wall was gonna be blown up then why didnt they use shields, and after the wall was blown up why didnt they use lazguns since everyone would turn off their shields? Its clear that they tried to make the sardaukar look weak artificially and something just doesnt make sense in this.
It definitely gets more complicated for them when they go out into imperium. There are planets that simply won't bend the knee and have to be "sterilized," many are injured in the fighting, and they lose at least some of their edge within a generation as they abandon their culture. Spoilers. Ultimately, it takes both the fremen and Sardaukar working in unison to establish leti ii's empire. Even in unison, it wasn't a walk in the park.
It's strongly implied that for reasons similar to the Sardukar living and thriving in pretty much the least hospitable hellscape imaginable makes them incredibly tough and resilient to begin with. Literally only the Sardukar come from a world half as unforgiving as Arakis is which the books effectively say forces them to evolve to a sharper edge than rest of the Emperium's fighters. This includes everything from being more crafty to quicker reaction times and being just plain faster which is the in story rational for (elite) 90lb Fremen ladies cutting through elite Sardukar like Bruce Lee through a school for the blind, but let's not upset the incels. Speaking of which, all this is set 14,000 or something years in the future and |Spoilers| we later see events thousands of years further along including a rather frail little old man repeatedly put a perfect clone of the original Duncan Idaho on his back simply because that evolution has continued leaving poor Duncan2 out of date and about as weak as any teenage girl in comparison. In fact most of the real heavy hitters by then are actually _woman_ anyway... You know what, go ahead an tell the incels lol.
@@johnassal5838 "Tell the incels" lol Who do you think was the main target market for sci-fi, before Hollywood started slapping prettyboy twinks as main sci-fi characters?
@@plantmc9319He is The Hero. Period. Read the books and don't get caught up with 61 billions. The death toll was a lot less compared to his alternate visions.
@@DjArie09 No he is not the hero because in the end, he did not have the courage and willpower to follow the Golden Path and save humanity forever. His son Leto II did.
@@shadearca There was no Golden Path without him. No Leto without Paul. There's only a so much a man can take. He tried to walk on the path until he couldn't anymore so he went blind. He was the Kwisatz Haderach.
OK after seeing it again I know why I hated it. Apart from it being completely different from the book. There is nothing there the Fremen could not have done before. There were no Fedaykin in the movie, Fedaykin were Freman who learned the Weirding Way and that was not in the movie. Paul had no prescience just dreams. And apparently the Imperium is limited to light infantry. Like I said the Freman had all these capabilities long ago when it was just Raban running things. Just another hollyweird formulaic industrial film
It's a cool scene. And I am sure there is some kind of explanation. But it's still weird that like in Ukraine, they can't even move an inch without a million drones doing surveilance and artillery raining down on everything. But here like 40k years in the future a million fighters just chill next to the Emperor's ship/palace and they fire some atomics before rushing in.
One thing that’s explained in the movie but fleshed out better in the books is that due to its extreme weather it’s very hard to field any kind of long term surveillance on dune. It’s one of the reasons why millions of fremen live in the Southern Hemisphere untouched because there’s no spice down there and so no reason to dedicate exploration. Another reason is that unlike modern tactics the emperor here is actively looking for a fight. Paul threatened him and so he’s going with his best army to annihilate Paul and make an example of him. But like before, due to how little they can survey the planet he had no idea what he was up against
@@coltonsmith5997 This is really some nit-picking from my side and I still find the movie very enjoyable. I just find it somewhat funny - in a sense. Because from a military perspective there are so many different forms of active and passive surveilance to exactly AVOID such situations. Because surprise attacks, well, always suck :D. That's what I mean. Like, you can't really use technology? Well, do active scouting. Or create a larger perimeter. Humans would come up with something for sure. What ever if it's actually effective is another matter. Since well, surprise attacks happen in real life too. However, as far as Dune goes, no one probably expected millions(!) of Fremen to even exist. So there is that as well.
@@CrniWuk Yeah ignore these glazers, the movie is certainly good but theres lots of fallacies and illogical decisions the director made, the movie could have easily avoided these stupid moments. Im sure there was just a couple million fremen chilling a couple kilometers behind some mountain and the emperor didnt know about it, makes total sense. Like you said they could have done and type of manual scouting like sending parties or flying the ornithopters around.
Fremen army advantages
1. Nuclear arsenal
2. Sandworm cavalry
3. Elite Fedaykin
4. Knowledge of desert combat
5. Paul FUCKIN' Atreides
6. Spice melange
... 6. Fremen angry feminist killing dozens of elite Sardaukars per second...
@@viz12345there’s always one mf that finds fault in everything
Old Fremen and the Children are also exceptional warriors, everyone is bred to fight and suffer in Arrakis💀@@viz12345
Remove the nuclear part, those weapon only work to destroy structure, not allowed to aimed for human army
@@abdulcholik7789I think they fired it where they did to not only give cover for the sand worms but because they wanted the emperor alive, don’t think they care too much about rules of war
Using the shai hulud as a shock cavalry/ battle tank, is what makes the fremen really a terrifying force to be reckoned with.
If you've never seen one before or thought about what to do, there is only 1 option for the Sardaukar: RUN.
How do those shai hulud get rid of the sand? I mean they charged with the shai hulud with their mouths open like.. do they digest them?
@@S0ulinth3machin3 Why run? You will just die tired.
@@gabriellouisemanalansan2507 I believe so
@@gabriellouisemanalansan2507basically think of their digestive system as a kind of super furnace that burns and converts the mass of whatever they consume into sustenance and energy.
It was a brutal war, it was a bitter war, and most importantly, it was a visually spectacular war.
Just wished it was longer. Over 2 hours and a 5m battle scene 😢
Yeah, I'm not big on extended editions, but I'd love one with just a longer battle.😁 Other than that, the movie is close to perfect.
Family guy reference
I love how Chanis fight sequence at the end of this clip is near identical to Paul’s fight from his vision in the tent from the first movie. In his vision it was him fighting, but in this it’s Chani.
in his visions he sees many possible futures (the Many Worlds theory in quantum physics). It's a difficult thing to express in film. They set it up masterfully, that sequence (where it ended up being Paul) was in the trailers for the Dune Part One. Villeneuve just did an incredible job. Thank you Mr. Villeneuve.
@@S0ulinth3machin3 Yeah, we see this with Jamis.
The biggest irony of this whole story is that the emperor’s downfall was of his OWN making! He insisted on wiping out the Atreides instead of keeping the Harkonnen status quo, setting up the whole shitshow that followed! He was a victim of his own nearsighted stupidity.
4:30 Anyone else noticed the sandworm doing a belly flop on the Sardaukar equipment at the left?
Well, why not have a little fun when you're at work? Sandworms are usually known for their dangerous nature but very few know that they also have a very good sense of humor and they are great at parties.
Nope.. you are incorrect
@@CrniWukLeto II for example is the greatest shitposter amongst the sandworms. Poor Moneo couldn't catch a break.
I do now lol
Like a puppy jumping onto a pile of leaves, lol
2:19 i like the sound of this scene, its like saying "time to run!"
3:26 Gotta love how all the pilots flew their ornithopters straight into the sandstorm like a bunch of idiots.
Tbf they probably did not get much for a briefing on how the sandstorms work
@@duncan9534 I hate how denis showed the sardaukar as trash, they are the best, most trained, most equipped soldiers in the universe with a superb legacy and history. People often say that fremen are good because of the harsh conditions they live in, what about sardaukar on selusa secundus? where most sardaukar recruits dont make it past teenage years? I find it baffling how people who were born for war, live for war and study war are portrayed as idiots in the film who drop like flies to a bunch of sand dwellers. Also how come fremen are better fighters if sardaukar are professional soldiers who live for war and are trained in shield combat which is more difficult than unshielded combat?
3:36 such a homage to Batman The Dark Knight Rises, Hans Zimmer u absolute Genius!
I hear the Joker theme out of there!
My favorite part of the movie is when Saddam says “It’s Sardukarin time.”
Saddam of House Irak.
“My desert. My Iraqis. My dune.”
"my oil, my iraqis"
"Then you should just go take one," Hawat sneered.
"Yes," the Fremen said. "We took one. We have it hidden where Stilgar can study it for Liet and where Liet can see it for himself if he wishes. But I doubt he'll want to: the weapon is not a very good one. Poor design for Arrakis."
"You . . . took one?" Hawat asked.
"It was a good fight," the Fremen said. "We lost only two men and spilled the water from more than a hundred of theirs."
There were Sardaukar at every gun, Hawat thought. This desert madman speaks casually of losing only two men against Sardaukar!
"We would not have lost the two except for those others fighting beside the Harkonnens," the Fremen said. "Some of those are good fighters."
One of Hawat's men limped forward, looked down at the squatting Fremen. "Are you talking about Sardaukar?"
"He's talking about Sardaukar," Hawat said.
"Sardaukar!" the Fremen said, and there appeared to be glee in his voice.
"Ah-h-h, so that's what they are! This was a good night indeed. Sardaukar. Which legion? Do you know?"
"We . . . don't know," Hawat said.
"Sardaukar," the Fremen mused. "Yet they wear Harkonnen clothing. Is that not strange?"
"The Emperor does not wish it known he fights against a Great House," Hawat said.
"But you know they are Sardaukar."
"Who am I?" Hawat asked bitterly.
"You are Thufir Hawat," the man said matter-of-factly. "Well, we would have learned it in time. We've sent three of them captive to be questioned by Liet's men."
Hawat's aide spoke slowly, disbelief in every word: "You . . . captured
Sardaukar?"
"Only three of them," the Fremen said. "They fought well."
If only we'd had the time to link up with these Fremen, Hawat thought. It was a sour lament in his mind. If only we could've trained them and armed them. Great Mother, what a fighting force we'd have had!
its such a good scene in a book filled with good scenes.
They didn't climb out of the sand....it's like they were RUNNING out of it at full speed...that would be terrifying.
Missed the chance for the Arteides Uillian Pipes Anthem cue when the Worm riders and Atreides Flag showed up.... !
I think it's good, because it's not the atreides we knew so playing that anthem wouldn't fit the situation, if that makes sense
Fun fact. Paul got them with a loop hole with the atomics. Technically he fired at the mountain not them.
Denis Villeneuve should be doing the 40k series. The Dune films have been brilliant, the battle sequences jaw dropping. Cavil should be on the phone to either him or Neil Blomkamp.
When out of date arrogance meets home field advantage😂
The most ridiculous part of this scene is that the Fremen and the Sandworms just pass through an area that has been irradiated by 3 nuclear missiles. No worries.
Beautiful. Listening to this I recall the Deshe Bashara scene in TDKR where Gotham police riots against the terrorists. Though the build and pay off was short in TKDR. This however is beautiful and really something else.
I wish the fight was a little more even. Maybe have some Sardaukar kill a lot of freemen to make it more epic. It looked too easy. Other than that. Pretty well made
That was part of the point. The sardaukar after years of sedentary usage weren't as great as the fremen by any means who basically fight everyday of their lives. On top of that, they weren't adept at shieldless combat, had no conception that the fremen could ride the worms and completely underestimated the sheer numbers they would arrive in. The Sardaukar were the greatest fighting force among all the houses but the fremen are the greatest period.
@@WorkedSix28zerozero1 I think you are wrong because sardaukar are born for war, live for war and study war. They are a professional fighting force that has unlimited budget, best training and best selection of recruits. Frank herbert had some weird fixation on fremen being OP while completely disregarding sardaukar who logically would be superior in every way. Theres arguments that the sardaukar got complacent over the years however what about the other factors I mentioned, how does being complacent nullify every other advantage they have. Also about shieldless combat, shielded combat is way more difficult because its just like shieldless combat but you have to slow down your blade in the last second, essentially they were always trained to fight with a handicap so shieldless combat should be way easier for them, plus since they live for war and train every second of their life, they probably do train unshielded combat aswell. Also you said they may not have known that fremen could ride worms which again I have to disagree with because in the first movie Paul literally watches some documentary hologram about fremen and their culture etc and they mention worm riding in there, what makes you think the best military in the world doesnt have that knowledge and doesnt know their enemy?
0:24 The Atreides Hello
"Dune is unadaptable to cinema"
Denis Villeneuve : "Hold my spices melange"
Addaam Reshii a-zaanta!
THIS SCENE IS SO FUCKING EPIC! I got countless goosebumps every time I watch this.
Kinda amazed how much this reminded me of the 80s version.
Three atomic warheads just for that seems overkill.
And it didn’t even hit the pyramid thing
@@Themilkman95in the books use of atomics for warfare is banned under a mutually assured destruction kind of scenario. Paul argues that he only used them to open the way and not as a weapon. Plus he needs the emperor alive to claim legitimacy.
Using three atomic warheads on a mountain range in real life would not necessarily collapse the mountain. The US Air Force calculated that their NORAD HQ in Cheyenne Mountain would need to suffer a direct hit (within a few meters accuracy) by a Soviet nuke to make the entire mountain collapse on top of the NORAD bunker.
@@Melior_Traiano Apparently _Dune_ atomics are capable of breaking open entire planets, as I’ve read.
@@georgeofhamilton Okay, thats settled then. Thanks for sharing that!
Was this the ONE TIME all the gunners on the emperor's flagship were asleep on duty? 🤣
Worm pops out of the sandstorm like...... *WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZUP?!*
As thick as the stillsuits are, you have to cut with a VERY sharp knife.
2:12 Them really not understanding what they're sensing behind the dust is freaky and that massive worm revealing itself with that crazy noise must be so disturbing for them.
Pop corn mouth attack
Even if they brought the entire Sardukar AND the Hark contingent… they wouldn’t have been enough… a character once said “once i thought that you were too many…. Now i wonder if you all would be enough…
I think the character you were referring to was in Dracula Untold.
I absolutely love this scene, but one thing is bugging me. No one uses shields on the sands of Arrakis due to them attracting worms, so why did the Sardaukar not use laser rifles to mow down the charging Fremen?
Sardaukar had to be beaten by fremen here for story reasons, they are alot tougher in the books
Risk of explosion if one of then was wearing a shield, the reaction can happen at the shooter or the shield wearer, theyd just be killing all their men as well, too much risk
@@oroboros88 This scene just doesnt make sense logically, if they are behind the shield wall in an area which worms cant enter, why dont they have personal shields? And even after they blew up the shield wall and entered with worms, why didnt they use lasers at all? They showed the sardaukar as super weak and everyone is glazing fremen now.
@@joebutler7982 that's pretty much exactly how it was in the books even before Paul taught them better tactics. Frank used Gulf war numbers as a comparative logistic. Fremen would win altercations with 80% of the time. Fremen women, elders and children were able to scare a squad off
@@oroboros88 Sure gulf war, vietnam, afghanistan etc saw a much weaker defending insurgency achieve victory over the best military in the world, however it wasnt because they charged the enemy army in a massive battle like shown in this movie, infact during the same gulf war first phase of the ground invasion where saddams armies faced off coalition forces in the open desert, saddams forces were completely decimated without trace while coalition forces suffered 0 casualties. The casualties were suffered in the later guerilla fighting and city occupations. Dune 2 did show guerilla fighting and that did make sense but the final battle doesnt make much sense, the fremen are only strong because they have home advantage and used guerilla tactics to control spice production and starve the harkonnens out which is how it was described in the book. In the book even after the final battle was won (with casualties on the fremen side as well as emperors) the emperor was pressured to give up the throne by the spacing guild as paul had complete control over the spice fields and it was a very powerful political bargaining tool.
The atreides hawk resembles the ottoman zülfiqar flag
*I want to know how that metal tent works.*
I want to know how it works more than watching anything else happening in the scene.
I would imagine its a highly advanced, highly refined version of basic memory metals they are playing with today. Using heat they induce a phase change (?) in the metals atomic structure so it can expand/contract from one shape to another. So in this far flung future, they probably dropped a solid block of metal out the bottom of the ship and it opened outwards like a flower, deploying into a prefab base.
only ofnthey showed prolonged fights between the sadurkar. that would be epic. it would show how deadly the freman were
What part of "sudden death" did you not understand?
I regret not watching this in theaters 😞
Dune 1 made me think it wasn't going to be that crazy.
Damn. U missed out. The theater was rumbling on many occasions during this masterpiece.
Basically only with the worms it was enough to win the battle :v. The Emperor never imagined what kind of monster he created the day he made the choice of betray the Artreides house.
Maybe don't look directly into the "bright as the sun" nuclear explosion(s) right before you're going to need your eyes for mission-critical tasks...
He finds that out the hard way later
You do have to wonder...how come the Fremen never thought to use the worms in battle before?
That's a lot of sand to have in your.... Well.
Se ve recortado 😢
Rather than the Fremen and Sardaukar 'bum rushing' each other, some tactics or formations might have been employed.
Imagine the spectacle of disciplined, formed up Sardaukar overrun by Fremen fanaticism...
As for the guys on the side of the Shield Wall breach...tough luck there. Shai-Hulud>
Rushed, but ultimately, I chalk it up to Muad'Dib's prescience that the battle went off without a hitch.
Poor Sardaukar got weighed down by the amount of shit in their pants.
if they can do this kind of scene..
I can't wait for Henry cavill's Warhammer 40k.. imagine those Las guns firing at distance
You would think the empor brought atomics or orbital fire support
Atomics are forbidden to Use on humans (which is why Paul just opens the wall) and it costs a shit ton of money to bring battleships to other planets, especially since the fremen bribed the spacing guild with spiceto Limit orbital activity.
@Graf69 the Emperor is the richest thing in the universe and traveling to a hostile planet. Having back up and nukes more to deter other planet seems wise. Essentially since he should be worried scared other families rebell
@@TimesFM4532 its stated multiple times that the harkonnens are way richer than the emperor due to the spice and even they could barely finance the assault on the atreides. If the emperor brought any nukes the Great Houses would surely attack him
@@TimesFM4532 but spacing guild doesn't need money, they want spice
@@TimesFM4532if you brought an army that hadn’t lost a war in over a thousand years you’d think you’d be able to handle a guerrilla army.. fatal consequences in this instance
One question: why is no one, especially the Sardaukar, using personal shields anymore??
Basically, mountain range or "shield-wall" the atreides atomics were dropped on was protecting the south from the storms behind it. When the mountain was felled, the storms disrupted the shield capabilities and their overall technological advantage hence why also the ornithopters were destroyed when caught inside.
Anyone spot a Fedaykin dying?!
Why would you line up in squares exposed on all sides like you were about to fight Napoleon. Didn’t they know there were nukes around somewhere? Didn’t they know about Sandworms? Why don’t they use lasers, or tanks or artillery?
I wish they reinforced some ideas a little more but I understand they cut a lot for pacing.
Nukes weren’t expected because their use was banned for warfare. Paul kinda sidesteps this as a technicality by arguing he used them on an environmental feature and not as a weapon. Plus he needs the emperor alive to support his legitimacy (even though they don’t accept his ascendancy, it lessens the resistance to the jihad which saves lives).
Sand worms weren’t expected because of the shield wall, but they blew a big whole in it…
I believe the huge storm negated the use of shields. Also using shields is a risk because contact with a single lazgun fire sets off a chain reaction similar in yield to a nuclear explosion (something I wish they showed in the first movie). Plus it drives worms into a frenzy so once the wall is breeched it wouldn’t make sense to use anyways.
Tanks, artillery, and conventional projectiles are considered obsolete because of lazguns and shields. They would’ve had to predict the latter two being negated in order to use them effectively. I suppose Paul could’ve used lazguns once the shields were down but he probably wanted to demonstrate the superiority of his forces for the coming wars. Planets would be quicker to capitulate if they knew the victory wasn’t a gimmick.
@@c433z Thank you for posting that! I think that if you can't use lazguns because they trigger a "nuclear" chain reaction when interacting with shields, then they should still use conventional guns. Because this lazgun/shield drawback would mean that conventional guns aren't obsolete yet.
@@Melior_Traiano conventional projectiles are still used in limited cases but shields make them virtually ineffective. You’d think everyone would just use remote controlled lazguns, but the explosion created is indistinguishable from a nuclear one, so the convention against nukes is still in effect.
@@c433z Ahhhh okay that makes sense. So its back to swords. Kind of poetic.
@@c433z One thing that doesnt make sense is that they didnt use EITHER shields or lazguns, If they didnt know the shield wall was gonna be blown up then why didnt they use shields, and after the wall was blown up why didnt they use lazguns since everyone would turn off their shields? Its clear that they tried to make the sardaukar look weak artificially and something just doesnt make sense in this.
Outside if arrakis freman arnt nearly as good right? Everyone has the same advantages
It definitely gets more complicated for them when they go out into imperium. There are planets that simply won't bend the knee and have to be "sterilized," many are injured in the fighting, and they lose at least some of their edge within a generation as they abandon their culture. Spoilers. Ultimately, it takes both the fremen and Sardaukar working in unison to establish leti ii's empire. Even in unison, it wasn't a walk in the park.
Its more the fremens fanatical nature that they have that gives them an edge over the Lansradt
They are still the best warriors in the universe at that point. But the gap is smaller outside of Arakis. Still enough to beat everyone else.
It's strongly implied that for reasons similar to the Sardukar living and thriving in pretty much the least hospitable hellscape imaginable makes them incredibly tough and resilient to begin with. Literally only the Sardukar come from a world half as unforgiving as Arakis is which the books effectively say forces them to evolve to a sharper edge than rest of the Emperium's fighters. This includes everything from being more crafty to quicker reaction times and being just plain faster which is the in story rational for (elite) 90lb Fremen ladies cutting through elite Sardukar like Bruce Lee through a school for the blind, but let's not upset the incels.
Speaking of which, all this is set 14,000 or something years in the future and |Spoilers| we later see events thousands of years further along including a rather frail little old man repeatedly put a perfect clone of the original Duncan Idaho on his back simply because that evolution has continued leaving poor Duncan2 out of date and about as weak as any teenage girl in comparison. In fact most of the real heavy hitters by then are actually _woman_ anyway... You know what, go ahead an tell the incels lol.
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"Tell the incels" lol
Who do you think was the main target market for sci-fi, before Hollywood started slapping prettyboy twinks as main sci-fi characters?
Best superhero movie ever!
I think Paul is an antihero
@@plantmc9319He is The Hero. Period. Read the books and don't get caught up with 61 billions. The death toll was a lot less compared to his alternate visions.
@@DjArie09 No he is not the hero because in the end, he did not have the courage and willpower to follow the Golden Path and save humanity forever. His son Leto II did.
@@shadearca There was no Golden Path without him. No Leto without Paul. There's only a so much a man can take. He tried to walk on the path until he couldn't anymore so he went blind. He was the Kwisatz Haderach.
@@DjArie09 the author didn't see paul that way though..
OK after seeing it again I know why I hated it. Apart from it being completely different from the book. There is nothing there the Fremen could not have done before. There were no Fedaykin in the movie, Fedaykin were Freman who learned the Weirding Way and that was not in the movie. Paul had no prescience just dreams. And apparently the Imperium is limited to light infantry. Like I said the Freman had all these capabilities long ago when it was just Raban running things. Just another hollyweird formulaic industrial film
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It's a cool scene. And I am sure there is some kind of explanation. But it's still weird that like in Ukraine, they can't even move an inch without a million drones doing surveilance and artillery raining down on everything.
But here like 40k years in the future a million fighters just chill next to the Emperor's ship/palace and they fire some atomics before rushing in.
One thing that’s explained in the movie but fleshed out better in the books is that due to its extreme weather it’s very hard to field any kind of long term surveillance on dune. It’s one of the reasons why millions of fremen live in the Southern Hemisphere untouched because there’s no spice down there and so no reason to dedicate exploration. Another reason is that unlike modern tactics the emperor here is actively looking for a fight. Paul threatened him and so he’s going with his best army to annihilate Paul and make an example of him. But like before, due to how little they can survey the planet he had no idea what he was up against
@@coltonsmith5997 This is really some nit-picking from my side and I still find the movie very enjoyable.
I just find it somewhat funny - in a sense. Because from a military perspective there are so many different forms of active and passive surveilance to exactly AVOID such situations. Because surprise attacks, well, always suck :D.
That's what I mean. Like, you can't really use technology? Well, do active scouting. Or create a larger perimeter.
Humans would come up with something for sure. What ever if it's actually effective is another matter. Since well, surprise attacks happen in real life too.
However, as far as Dune goes, no one probably expected millions(!) of Fremen to even exist. So there is that as well.
@@ZuZee02 Human surveillance ?
@@CrniWuk Yeah ignore these glazers, the movie is certainly good but theres lots of fallacies and illogical decisions the director made, the movie could have easily avoided these stupid moments. Im sure there was just a couple million fremen chilling a couple kilometers behind some mountain and the emperor didnt know about it, makes total sense. Like you said they could have done and type of manual scouting like sending parties or flying the ornithopters around.
original Dune was better
I'm surprised Dune has become so popular. I found the book dense, boring and too long.