no wonder everyone prefers part two
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Dune: Part Two is a great film, amazing cinematography, visual effects, world building and sound design. But that's not what this video is about. This video is about why Dune: Part Two is a great sequel. Join me as we explore some of the greatest sequels of all time, The Empire Strikes Back, The Dark Knight, The Godfather Part II, and The Two Tower, and why Dune: Part Two can find it's place among these greats
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What is an underrated sequel?
Tron Legacy is a sequel that gets more appreciation these days as it's ahead of its time even for 2010 a lot of people downgraded and criticized which I understand due to the de-aging of Jeff Bridges but as we get TRON: ARES next year it already got its hay day.
A sequel that isn't released yet but this summer it will which is Twisters, a sequel (I'd say part sequel, part standalone) from the original Twister movie that I feel doesn't need a sequel since it has a great ending but if it can carry the nostalgia like Top Gun Maverick did, it can work. I'm not saying it will be good or bad nor I didn't see it yet and based on the trailer, it can be good but I hope it respects the source material and the late Bill Paxton with the movie being a new chapter that exists in the same universe as Twister.
Back to the Future Pt2 is consistently underrated
Blade Runner 2049, Tron Legacy, Ralph Breaks the Internet.
I think Frozen II is a wonderful sequel and wayyyy better than the first Frozen
Last Jedi remains the best in the sequel trilogy
0:04 Total lie, the first line is “BAUM PAUM PAUM”
Edit: nahhhhh how did this get 2k likes?
DREAMS ARE MESSAGES FROM THE DEEP
😂
DE'EM FOM DEP
(Dreams are messages from the deep)
How did this get so many likes? 💀
@@GeneticFreak The guy is just a Brit with a heavy accent
dude says he wants to take his time for Dune Messiah ... that's a 12 years of age difference for the characters. I hope hes not going for that kind of realism
lmao
No, I think it'll be out before the end of the decade ('28 or '29)
@@Realistic_Managementit’s already in devolpemnt and when he says that it takes 3 years everytime sometimes less so I’d predict 27-28 at the latest
ittll be fine, hugh jackmann plays a ripped late twenties guy for two decaes now 🤣
@@TheGahta yeah but that's Hugh Jackman
In the opening of part 2 we see the Harkonnen burn the Atreidies bodies and at the end we see Fremen burning Harkonnen instead of saving their water (Like Paul said, we'll survive by being Harkonnens).
I thought the opening was actually a foreshadowing. Since the two scenes looked very similar.
they sucked out their water already
In the book, it is implied that they took their water after the fight was over. It was a chore for the children. The Fremen child would roam around the battlefield finishing off wounded enemies
and marking them so they would be taken to the death stills. Funny people these Fremen.
I did notice that at the end, they burned them instead of taking their water. Something I thought was different from
How they were supposed to do things
Indeed. They'll win at all costs... and lose their souls and principles as a consequence. The sequels are all about the huge repercussions of those decisions.
"You introduce new characters"
"Feyd Rautha?"
"add new dimensions to existing locations"
"he's psychotic"
"and raise the stakes of the conflicts"
"that's irrelevant"
gods damn you're a genius
When Paul tells Gurney "I recognize your footsteps" was a call back even further to when Gurney came to train Paul at the start of part 1
people liking this comment is sadly the reason a video with a title like this can gain so much traction 😐
I was so lucky to experience Dune in a very unique. My Russian roomate and very good friend, invited me on a Friday to see Dune 2. I asked him, could ii have a night first and watch Dune 1? I watched it that night,. As soon as it ended I hit replay. The 2nd time I took notes. I was fully pulled into the world as I had never been with Star Wars. The next evening when we went to a Luxury IMAX and had Frozen Cherry Jack Daniel's drinks and IPA Ale ... It was a full experience my new friend had brought me something, special. It was my Birthday weekend, I said to him no one had ever given me a whole Universe for my Birthday before :) It was my favorite Birthday... Dune is special beyond words.
You will love the book.
@@tsopmocful1958 The first time I read the book and finished it, I just sat there in absolute awe of the experience. I realized I wanted more, so I turned back to the first page and read it again. It is the only book I have ever done that with.
@@BrettGoosen Awesome! :) 😎
Heart warming story. Enjoy the books. Just be prepared for weirdness and more batshit insane fuckery than you can imagine, especially from book 4 onwards.
You love the friend and it effects your love for dune.
No way you took more than two notes from the first 3 hours of sand…
Bro. I’m so excited that they got the 3rd part. This is the first movie in a LONG time I’ve been excited to see
I'd like to hear Archer Green's opinion on how different Dune3 is gonna be from Dune Messiah.
That'll be a real sequel.
Same here 🖤
I can already guarantee that many of you are not going to like where this story is going. I hope you do though. But who knows, the small changes in the first movie had a really big effect on the second movie. And the giant changes to the second movie will have a giant effect on the third movie. Like how they ruined Chani etc
@@MikePhilbin1966 Extremely different without a doubt. I mean, Chani isn't with Paul. This alone is a giant change. And I also don't think the general audience is going to be happy with where the story is heading. Since a lot of fans of the first book weren't happy with the second when it first released.
People would have complained loudly, but Dune deserves a film trilogy with the depth, detail, and 3-hour-per-installment run time of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.
Those 2 movies only covered the first book out of 8
@@rebeccaconlon9743 as someone who has read them all and is a frank herbert fan - i don’t think we should adapt anything past at absolute most book 4… but realistically book 2
@@rebeccaconlon9743 Frank Herbert only wrote 6 Dune books, all other Dune books were written much later by his son Brian. There are some fans that treat those as badly as some Star Wars fans treat the Disney made movies.
@@rebeccaconlon9743I don’t think most of the books are adaptable. Leto 2 doing worm shit just isn’t filmable which is ok
Because they straight goofy. Why are the main new enemies Brian’s oc omnicron evils? Why are the sand worms on a water world? Isn’t water fatal to them? Why is the main cast now just gholas of previously deceased characters. Why is Idaho still fucking alive after all this time
the Lord of the Rings is actually much more nuanced than even the movies- Isildur is treated like some generic fallen hero in the movies who succumbed to the ring as a result of failure of character whereas in the books it was made pretty abundantly clear that it's not physically possible to resist the ring, and Isildur actually took it better than most, to the point of eventually breaking free (he was on his way to give it to Elrond when he was ambushed and killed)
yes, and if you include the entire story the movie would be 3 months long lol imagine "The Silmarillion: Tolkien's Mythic World -The Movie"
I’m still so amazed this is the Dune we got.
It was so fantastic.
It was a visceral experience.
How the f did we get DV to direct? Zimmer to do the score? All these talented actors? Literally the best modern to date execution of CGI and practical effects to build a world.
The CGI doesn’t feel CGI even though I know it is. Everything is so unique and foreign yet perfect in its place.
We got them by telling them they were allowed to completely ignore the source material and make whatever they wanted
its actually scary to think of how many things went perfectly right in the production of this movie. like if even one of the main cast was different or if hans zimmer wasnt doing the score or dv wasnt directing we would have missed out on so much.
@@AhHereWeGo Ah, yes, because obviously the right call would have been to make a 50-hour movie filled with Frank Herbert's views on politics, constant internal monologue and grand speeches, and explanations about how flying machines use mollusks in their wings to fly like birds because people don't like computers anymore. That would be so incredibly enjoyable to watch. Audiences would definitely not have walked out on that kind of adaptation after 5 minutes.
@@wardeni9603 you can show the action behind the description without completely changing the story like they did here. Stillgar and Chani were actually interesting in the book, not just a worshiping follower and an obnoxious zoomer, and there was no north/south division in the fremen
@@AhHereWeGo They didn't completely ignore it. Adapting a long book to a short movie always requires streamlining the story. The Lord of The Rings trilogy cut out a LOT more from the books than Denis did for Dune. His changes made for a better movie than without them.
Eowyn : *I made some stew*💀
"All of the characters in Tolkien's story are clearly good, or clearly bad."
Yeah I feel like the editing in this vid is super awkward and weird lmao
@@griffin1095 What? No it's self aware and hilarious
shut up and just eat the slop
Who dares belittle Tolkien?!!!
it also works well as a satisfying middle film because it techically is the end of the first book so it does have a conclusion built in
Yeah, the story could end there and that's fine. Dune: Messiah is kinda like... bonus content in that sense.
Paul's petulant foot stomp to make the Emperor kiss his ducal ring always makes me giggle a little bit more than I think it should.
Just finished Dune Messiah today. That penultimate chapter is probably one of the most beautiful and saddening things I’ve read in a long time. I urge everyone to read the book before the film comes out. A good dissection of Paul at the start but really made him into a victim of his own prescience at the end.
"No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero." A line already in the first novel. Says it all, especially about hero-worship.
Just wait until you learn about Paul's character development in the third novel. Oh, it's there, though you might not be aware of it at first.
One of the best theater-going experiences I’ve ever had. Dune blew me away every time!
the moment Paul rode the worm, i left my body and was swimming in the sea of the movie. took me a moment to return after it ended, but i had an even greater yearning for the next movie than i had after the first one
the prescience doesnt give him agency it takes it from him. before he starts unlocking it he can make choices based on his circumstances. afterward he can see the totality of his circumstances and the outcome of all possible choices, which in effect reduces his real choices to either take the one logical path his vision gives him no matter how horrific it still ends up being or voluntarily die. seeing the future may let you know about all possible alternative ways things could go, but that knowledge collapses those possibilities into only the single course of events that incorporates all that future sight.
the fight with jamis is the clearest example of this. in another timeline jamis was his teacher and close friend, a timeline where paul dies. but in the real timeline the only one paul will survive he will be forced to kill jamis with no possible way out of it. its why he went ahead and killed jamis despite how much it hurt him, because he knew he had no choice, it was that or his own death. him trying to make jamis yield was him struggling against the inevitability of it, which is also basically all he's doing in the entirety of the 2 movies between when he's exposed to spice to when he drinks the water of life.
Stilgar cracked me up "Lisan al Gaib" was awesome. How some can see this story as a white saviour trope, obviously didn't understand it.
The idea of him being a white savior would require him to be a savior, and he certainly isn't there to save anyone. More seriously though saying something like Dune is a white savior trope is lowkey racist in it's own way.
Their brains basically shut down every time they see a white person in positions of power. Just like in real life.
it is a critique of that trope
Even if it is a white savior trope... so what? People need to get the fuck over their anti-white resentment and just enjoy the movie... or go somewhere else and make their nonwhite savior trope movie. Oops... never mind. We all saw Black Panther. And that movie was so dumb no amount of race bait, guilt tripping propaganda could make it worth watching againn. But you're right. This movie happens to be critical of that trope though.
@@nigelmcphearsonletsgobrand9247 Even if it is an anti white savior trope... so what? People need to get the fuck over their brown resentment and just enjoy the movie... or go somewhere else and make their white savior trope movie. Oops... never mind. We all saw Passion of the Christ. And that movie was so dumb no amount of race bait, guilt tripping propaganda could make it worth watching again. But you're right. This movie happens to be critical of that trope though.
Dune part 1 and part 2 - were just beyond words - 10/10 - just amazing. I walked out of the cinema after watching part 2 - itching to see part 3. I can not remember the last time ANY film had me wanting a sequel so much. Both of these films are master pieces, and even calling them that doesn't do them enough justice.
Dune 2 is not a sequel. It’s the 2nd part of one movie. It was supposed to be filmed back to back, but the studio decided to wait for the results of part 1, to start filming part 2. Blade Runner 2049 is a sequel. Harry Potter has many sequels to the first movie.
of course it’s a sequel
@@carlosandleon not a sequel.
@@blp77326 It is.
So,... it's a Sequel (which in the end simply means another in a series). You are the one imbuing the word with additionalmeaning. Of course it's a sequel. It is Part Deux!
@@NextWorldVRno, it's not. Not on the dramaturgical level. It's the second part of one story
One thing almost touched on in this video: LoTR is a fantasy, it’s about individuals and their journey. Dune is sci-fi, it’s about archetypes and change. These differences are critical distinguishing factors between fantasy and sci-fi, and these two stories are successful because they follow these rules.
When I saw Dune Part II opening day, I was triumphed by everything not just by the movie but it's a great sequel including Top Gun Maverick, Aliens, T2, The Dark Knight but TRON LEGACY is a sequel that gets more appreciation. Everything about it I was like "wow" but it was a huge scale I never saw before.
You were triumphed? What? lol
@@CitizenScottmeaning I was floored in a good way that I enjoyed the film.
@@isaiahvoss Oh I thought you meant it was a good movie... for me to poop on!
The movie made me go back in time, when epics where great. Crazy how long its been, feels like a lifetime.
Tron is a personal ATF, are you aware of the upcoming Tron?
Austin Butler as Feyd Rautha stole every scene he was in. What an incredible addition to the story. The Casting on this couldn't have been any better. Timothée Chalamet Absolutely Incredible in this as well. The Acting is as good as its going to get, the story telling, atmosphere, scale, depth and breadth of the world building is all 100/100..
Edit: Archer is RIGHT OVER THE TARGET @2:33
I kind of like Dune 1 more if I’m being honest. Dune 2 couldn’t exist without it and I think the world building is spot on in Part 1.
Dune 1 so much better... Dune 2 was such a disappointment 😢
@@slavadabadoo I mean I can see why you could think that but I think Dune 2 stayed true to the source material, and yeah the ending is pretty depressing. I guess I just like the first one more tbh.
@Mr.Scar_Real don't be ashamed you liked Dune 1 more! 😅
I don't think there's any debate about Dune 2 and the source material... the movie objectively diverted from the books.
Imo the ending wasn't depressing. It wasn't uplifting either. It wasn't... anything. So little substance there that I didn't even get near an emotional reaction like "depressing."
Paul was never on a hero’s journey. Not even in the first movie. He knows the prophecy is a lie and only takes up the mantle of Lisan al Gaib to get revenge for his father’s death and is using the Fremen as a means to do that.
It's still a hero's journey, even if the prophecy is a lie. He starts off weak and powerless to stop the tragedy that befalls his family. He meets new allies and overcomes trials and hardship. And in the end he gains new agency and defeats his enemies. It's a textbook hero's journey, even if his victory ultimately leads to galactic suffering.
@@derek96720it’s the classical hero’s journey model but with a darker twist in it, he never returned home and ended the cycle, instead he paved the way for a greater evil to take over everything.
@@renesanchez2441 Leto the Second is not a greater evil, he saves humanity.
@@blah55044 In terms of the story Leto II is an accident. Paul puts off having kids for so long and fails his discipline role and gets Chani pregnant.
@@johnsmith-ol9qj Paul is prescient. He knew when and where was the right time to have children.
First time on you channel, I was washing the dishes before the video started, the video ended, I haven't touched the dishes.
Great content man
Mnaah, the sheer dread, awe and drama in the first movie make it better
I agree. They’re both great films but something about the first part’s mystery and atmosphere just made it more of an awe inspiring experience for me. Second one felt much more like “look at how much more action there is guys! It isn’t boring I promise!”
@@ImpoForrest Thank you!!!!! I agree with you guys. I kind of like the tragedy and unpredictability of the first one. The 2nd one was just the good guys getting revenge albeit on an epic scale. The only tragedy of 2 is the Chani ending.
@@MattEldridgeFilm Not discounting the idea that the first film is better, but part two is not about good guys beating the bad guys. Paul is quite clearly shown in a negative light as he rises to become the Lisan al gaib.
I enjoyed the first one much more toO… Personally, I couldn’t get into the Chani character… I can’t see why Paul would fall in love with her… The actress seem to only have a couple go to faces.
He knew exactly where to find Gurney because of his abilities. I don't recall that being in the book (IIRC it was a chance encounter), but doing it this way is cool. The probability of finding one guy on a vast, deadly, and nearly uninhabited desert planet is so low you'd have to have some kind of prescience to do it
Something that I feels is missing from the second movie is that in Part 1, every single shot could be paused and turned into a wallpaper. It's pure cinema. Part 2 is great and I enjoy it greatly, but something that I noticed was that only certain scenes and shots had that "wallpaper" feeling.
I foud both movies to be quite boring, but I do agree that part 1 was more coherent and better. Part 2 made no sense. Even knowing the story and having read the books, it was all a little too twee.
This is now my favorite movie ever! I know it swayed from the books a little and lot of fans dislike that, but holy sh&t was this an epic, grand production and performance like nothing I have ever seen before! The music, the acting, the cinematography, the intensity, the emotions, etc! I loved this movie and could watch it over and over!
Paul’s arc after drinking the water of life was so bad ass. When the voice said “RISE!”, the music was so intense and at that moment, you realize he’s no longer the same or the “good guy” but a tragic hero and you’re happy and concerned all at the same time. It definitely had Anakin Skywalker vibes. And then the speech he gave to the Fremen….WOW! So intense and unsettling! This is the moment he ascends to god like status!
I think it‘s ok to have differences to the books when the product is still good and coherent. This way the books and movies can coexist perfectly. I read the books after watching part 2 and i prefer the movies. Still finishing all 6 books right now but the books contain a lot of bloat and goofy nonsense.
Part One: "This is only the beginning."
Part Two: "This isn't over yet."
Part 3: "Is it over?"
Chani part 3: "this ends for me"
I must say, green's videos just get substancially better by the video. If you are reading this, massive respect and please dont stop any time soon! One thing that might be nice to have is something like a discord server to build a community. I'd love to see something like this :).
Thanks so much, stay tuned for a discord channel :)
This is not actually the next video, this is the same video part 2
Damn great job on the edit dude! I normally hate whem creators intercut movie dialogue in the middle of the video, but you did it so well, that it made the video flow much much better than normal voice over+music.
These documentaries are so enthralling! You create such engaging content, which keeps me wanting to see more.
How long have you been an obvious bot?
The editing complements your narration so well🔥
A mature and intriguing analysis. I won't nitpick, because this is a cut above what's all over YT. Well done.
This is probably one of the best videos and breakdowns on sequels and long-form story telling on YT. Great work!
Brilliantly produced mate, good work.
your style is becoming better and better!! i'm so excited about your channel 🫶
Thank you so much!!
I REALLY enjoyed this video! Great work. 👏👏👏👏
I genuinely cannot express how much I love your videos. Another amazing project to be proud of Archer
Thank you :)
Whoa, another great video, man. Thanks for this!
Good video. Nice clips from all the movies
Well done dude! I really enjoyed this video.
Love your vids man, been waiting for this since release!
Great video and work. I just wanted to say that (at least in the book) Paul had no chocie, the holy war would come no matter what he does he realizes that in the final chapter of Dune book 1. Also his visions about Chani and Jamis come true. The were only metaphors andn ot actual real visions. JAmis shows him the cruelty and therefore the way of the desert with their fight and Chani hands him the blade with which he takes a life and therefore taks his own (it is also said in the movie of Dune Part 1) But apart from that you are spot on and listed some very interseting and cool observations thank you!
Incredible video man!!
I prefer Part I but ok. Part Two is really incredible. For contemplative viewers, Part One is still better.
You can like one thing more then another without emphasizing that you are a hipster.
Loved Dune! It was raw and yet emotionally taxing!!! Thank you!❤❤
Semi book spoilers:
Having read most of the books I'm very intrigued to see how they adapt Messiah simply due to how different it is. Even in comparison to the books that follow Messiah stands out as unique in it's storytelling, tone and setting, I can imagine a lot of people may be turned off by it depending on how closely Villeneuve adapts it. Part of me hopes we spend more time in the holy war and get to see how the noose begins to form around Paul's neck but another part of me hopes it stays true to the book and remains quiet and understated. My main hope though is that it captures that inevitable looming dread that something very bad is coming.
Dune Part Two was very somber. There were many scenes in it that were certainly very sad. Dune Messiah is a straight up tragedy, I think it can be adapted to the screen fairly easily (the storyline is fairly simple) but the tough part will be trying to keep it simple for the audience. Dune Part Two did a good job of that, but there's so much more work involved in showing and not telling when it comes to Messiah.
I think filming Messiah is a bigger challenge then Dune.
Especially because there is little action. And for the modern viewer and the studio it will need some action. Although Dune 1 was also very quiet and „boring“ for many.
We can have a bit of both.
@@Sanchuniathon384 Messiah is like 90% Paul and Alia internal monologue, which is going to be very difficult to adapt to film. In part 2 they changed Chani to be the personification of Paul's internal doubts and guilt. It made adapting the book easier but also massively changes the direction of Messiah. I think they will either use Alia or Jessica for this purpose in the third movie, possibly Stil skips ahead to his change in Children to have a few doubts about the whole chosen one thing. I think a lot will be different until the stone burner, and then everything will fall back into place from the original story. Or they so something really dumb like saying it was Chani who put the stone burner there and the plot goes off the deep end
I was sick and missed the IMAX window
Was still amazing, gotta buy my own IMAX theater to stop having this problem, same thing happened with kong lol
I think I transcended watching Dune 2 in IMAX
Watching it in 4DX is like being in Arrakis
Hot take but I saw it both in IMAX and in a regular cinema with Dolby Atmos and the difference is negligible. The sound quality is more important than the image imo.
@@SvobodovaEvaYeah, and the sound is 100000x better in IMAX.
The image is not only sharper but larger, in terms of frames and aspect ratio.
It makes me think you haven't seen it in IMAX because I doubt millions would pay nearly double the price for a negligible difference in watching...........
The picture took up ALL my field of view, if I didn't want to see it (for whatever reason that could be lol) I had to physically turn my head away.
The sound was shaking the seats in the theater, I don't think I've ever experienced something quite as loud as the Harkonnen Arena scene or Sandworm riding scene in IMAX and I've been in the army and a prog metal band as well as worked years in the construction industry, so I've had my fair share of extremely loud noises 😂😂 and honestly, Dune 2 stands above them all.
When that worm smashed into the Dune it genuinely sounded like 747 crashed into the theater next to us 😂😂😂😂
Last thing I saw other than Dune 2 was Avatar 2, purely because I saw the first as a kid.
Before that it was Endgame. Before that Interstellar.
I only go to the big cinematic events, it's what IMAX was made for. I wouldn't dream of going to an IMAX screening of something like Fall Guy.
Great analysis my friend
incredible work
Bro wtf I like your editing style very good stuff
gold standard for trilogies is Back to the Future
By far, best analysis
good job man. fun vid
I don't agree. Part two is epic, amazing and powerful - but it was Part 1 that brought that fantastic Villeneuve's world to life. Just like the first Lord of the Rings was revolutionary - following parts were bigger and more spectacular, but never brought a completely new quality into the film industry.
That's why I love how the Part 1 went, as well as I loved Part 2 ❤
I prefer the first one! After hearing some youtubers that know the books the first Dune movie seemed paced too slow.
I think both 1 and 2 are better than other movies of a similar buget, but i did feel like they were missing something and a few book spoilers confirmed my suspicions.
Cheers !
I loved 'em both. Watched the first one the night before opening night. It was an amazing experience. The more I watch 'em the more I think they're in my top 3 trilogies
Excellent analysis.
It is a single movie, you cannot have part two without part one.
Brilliant summation. I left Part 2 with a sick pit in my stomach. I believe Denis went even further than Frank Herbert in showing the darkness and tragedy of Paul's path.
I think the "why" in why people like part 2 is very simple to answer: *Stuff happened*. Part 1 felt like nothing happened because of how much setup there was. Which is fine, just is what it is. But part 2, it felt like 10x more things happened in it, so it was more entertaining.
The first Denis Villeneuve film I saw was Blade Runner 2049, and I was blown away. Not only is it a faithful sequel to the original, it's a sequel that was made 35 years after the original, and managed to not only capture the same magic, but also to surpass it. He is absolutely a master of his craft, and what he is doing with Dune really is turning out to be the next big trilogy after Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings, it is so exciting to see him make his mark on cinema like George Lucas and Peter Jackson did in the past.
I applaud Denis Villeneuve and his team in delivering an epic part two.👍
They added way more scenes in Part 2 from the book and cut a lot but it all worked perfectly, I think it was a great adaptation
This was such an interesting take. another vectore of comparison and exploration could be the same lead actor in The King and These both Dune parts. It's broadly the same character journey. Boy to leader.
Easiest subscription of my LIFE. 10/10 editing and "inside" jokes. Quick note: I think the sequence from 9:35 is a bit clunky. Cutting to audio from the movies during every single comma in the script is a bit off-putting, especially when the cuts are so fast. Some of the audio also didn't really add much, just demonstrating things that most viewers would probably already be well aware of. Great video, thank you so much!
I had the pleasure of reading the Book in between the Releases of Part 1 and 2.
If you followed Denis Villanueve's work before Dune, the Success of Part 2 came as no surprise.
If he takes his sweet time, Messiah might be one of the best films of the 21st century.
I didn't finish Messiah, So I'm glad I will go into it not knowing all the events.
Not wanting to spoil anything but messiah seems very hard to film. Especially considering how Denis changed a lot of characters and the actors ages will be a factor.
The greatest compliment I could give is that it wasn’t a sequel. It was part 2. The wait was just intermission.
1:52 “ I want that *shit.* ” - Darth Vader
It's an absolute joy to see a story done right, in this crazy environment where even storytelling was corrupted by activism and politics.
amazing video
Part Two makes Part One more enjoyable upon rewatch. Going into P1 the first time it felt like a slow build up of all exposition, but after seeing P2 and rewatching P1, you can see Paul making decisions based on his limited visibility, and he changes as he gains more sight.
Dune part II was EPIC AF! Villeneuve's vision was badass
I dont know if you'll see this but I'm just wondering, how do you get these high quality movie clips from? I've been trying to make tiktok edits and can't seem to find any good way to find clips from any movie at any point in that movie. If you see this and respond thank you so much I love your videos! 🥰
Why not just open the movie and screencapture the parts you need ?
Too early? Nope. Excellent storytelling.
While i've "only" read the first 3 books, they really do make it seem like tapping into precience tends to lock you onto it's paths, which is why Paul makes the choices he does in messiah, which frees himself from the prelaid paths, and sets him free to act like a human. I think that's the most important takeaway from Herbert's writing: To be free is the way to be human, with all that it entails.
What's the music used in this video in the background?
Well done!
I love these movies so much
Dune part 1 was my favourite movie before Dune part 2 (well, now they share the first place). Dune pt 2 absolutely deserves all the praise it gets. I just think that part 1 deserves the praise that part 2 has gotten. Anyway, Denis is peak, Greig Fraser is peak, Hans Zimmer is peak and Dune is peak
The bagpipes from part one brought it down from a 9/10 to an 8/10 all on their own. So glad Hans Zimmer didn’t use them for the sequel.
I love both!!! But I can’t stop watching number 1. It’s so dreamy and world building. Paul is still a good guy in my eyes.
prepare to be dissapointed
@@RED-my9hl Thanks for the spoiler
@@justloading thats not a spoiler smooth brain 💀
There needs to be an extended director cut of the movie that stitches both movies together with extra scenes
Kinda silly to say part 2 is better than pt 1 because both are really just one movie cut in half. Pt 2 begins right where 1 left off. It's not really a sequel, it's the conclusion of the tale.
I really didn’t enjoy the second movie…at all…but yet the first part blew me away.
Might I ask why?
@@ezrafriesner8370 I felt narratively it was a mess.
I found myself looking at characters and going “ok…you’re doing this now” as opposed to having been drawn to their actions by virtue of narrative reasoning.
To me, there was narrative disconnect throughout the whole movie. Perhaps it’s because Denis was trying to condense the books’ story and had to use some judicious editing of that arc for cinematic purposes, but I never felt I had arrived at a director’s carefully sculpted vision as to why “this” was happening in the movie at that particular time (as you’d have no trouble doing in say a Spielberg movie), everything seemed to have a staccato rhythm and you just found yourself watching the next piece of story exposition because it was necessary rather than earned.
I also had zero connection with the characters. They all just seemed like cyphers for plot points as opposed to people I should care about. Walkin was just a card board cut out, Bautista was just a bumbling fool (his character,not him personally), Butler was moustache twirling (but convincing) with no real backstory as to why he was so great / bad. Bardem I love in everything he does so he gets a pass. I’m not convinced that Chalamet has range, don’t think he’s bad, just lacks range. Zendaya is good but was shot pouting too much…and speaking of which, there was WAY too much ZOOOMING into characters faces to “create drama and tension” then should have been allowed, particularly for someone with Vilkeneuve’s panache for nuanced cinematography.
@@thedudeabides3138 It is very interesting that you have these thoughts especially if you haven't read the book. you aren't far off of what is changed for modern audience.. girl must be strong, girl must be mad and selfish. Not really how the book goes..
@thedudeabides3138 very well said!
Dune 2 sucked. Str8 up.
Of course Dune 2 was an amazing spectacle of sound and visuals but is that really that big a deal in today's film industry?
I didn't see Dune 2 for that spectacle... I saw it with hopes it would continue on the story and intrigue Dune 1 began.
The plot lines are rushed, the characters are extremely shallow, the coolest things in Dune 1 are missing.
Namely, the Voice is completely useless in Dune 2 and the witches aren't scary or cunning.
If I gave Dune 1 an 8/10, I'd give Dune 2 about a 4.
I love both movies to bits. I'm convinced both are among the best movies ever made. But the second part just hits different. Every minute a masterpiece that had me on the edge of my seat. Watched it like 10 times and counting. I can't even remember the last time I was this impressed by a movie. Especially after the disastrous Star Wars sequels. Absolutley ridiculous compared to Dune. This is Denis Villeneuve's Magnum Opus. As you said, like Peter Jackson with his Lord of the Rings trilogy. Can't wait for part 3.
Best Movie I've seen since the early 2000s when The Matrix and Lord of the Rings was coming out- a golden age of Movies for me- that's the last time I was that satisfied with a Movie. I watched it alone and I still clapped and cheered at the end, I was legitimately sad that the Movie was over. Both Movies are so great, but the second did outdo the first, which is very rare, especially these Days. I can't wait to see what they do with the franchise next!
For me, I almost slept when watching part one. Idk, maybe I am casual movie-goer, not fan of the book, or scifi, or politic. Meanwhile the part two, I find the plot is more easy to follow, the characters are easy to relate, and more action to watch. Love it
It's far less about part 2's plot feeling easier to follow and more just the fact that it actually HAS a plot to follow. Part one is just a bunch of exposition
Great video :)
11:30 I don't think Paul killing Jamis necessarily means he can change the future he sees. I took it more as his visions being metaphorical. Jamil was a mentor in his vision. You could also say he teaches him the ways of the Fremen. And in a way he still does. The fight, forcing Paul to kill him, does teach Paul about the ways of the Fremen.
Chani stabbing Paul may be something we've yet to see but you could see her leaving him at the end of Dune 2 and foresaking his cause as a betrayal of him. Akin to "being stabbed in the back". A metaphor.
I'll be honest, the two towers is my favorite out of the three lord of the rings movies as that battle at the end is just so good to watch.
He’s not resisting primal urges (of power ), he is only trying to survive and allow his loved ones to survive. You could call those primal urges, but it’s not about his lust for power, it’s just the trolley problem with him and his loved ones on one side and 60B+ people on the other.
You absolutely nailed it, I think the best sequels are a natural extension of the world we already know and love. Toy Story 3 works because the villain is driven by something we've always known all toys feel; fear of being left behind. Madagascar 2 falls apart instantly because the plot is driven by a birth mark Alex CLEARLY didn't have in the first movie. Did they really think the audience wouldn't notice? Sigh.
There are a lot of links between the two movies, call back lines from one movie carrying into the other. Even sort of 'Big Lebowski' type self-referential lines throughout or allusions to previous events though not quite exactly replicated as in Chani in combat near the end of Part 2 instead of seeing Paul in combat like in his dream from Part 1.
Another thing to notice in Part 2, once Paul drinks the Water of Life, we no longer get to see his visions and foresight like we have before that moment. We no longer get to see his dreams and visions anymore and we become more distant from him from then on. It is like he is keeping it all to himself now that his sight is unlocked and he becomes a remote and powerful figure that we cannot possibly understand now.
personally thought the part 2 was way worse than part 1, part 2 was just a visual spectacle imo. Somehow i really hated what they did with alya, chani and paul. Just hope that if they make more it would be somewhat more loyal to the source material.
You hit the nail on the head
I watched both movies back to back, and in all honesty, part 1 is a prequel. Everything that happens in it is all a lead up to paul's ascension. Part 2 is the main film.
it's not tho
That’s not how prequels work. It’s not that difficult to grasp that they are two parts of a singular story arc. If you play them back to back, it makes one movie. There are no time skips in between them.
Paul didn't choose to start the holy war. In fact, he couldn't stop it. That was the irony of him having all this power and still being unable to stop it. The only way for him to stop it would have been his own death. This leads to him being the tragic hero in that it was a natural consequence of him embracing the power and leadership. Leto II tried to improve upon Paul's work by going down the path that Paul refused with the long term goal of carrying humanity indefinitely into the future.