So, just a recap: 1: Short barrel (18-20”) 2: Short stock (12-13” for proper mounting) 3: Mag extension (5-6 rounds in the gun) 4: Spare ammo (side saddle or stock carrier) 5: Sight upgrade (although not essential) 6: Mounted light (for obvious reasons)
@Mr Luger You probably wouldn’t even have to kill them. Being in the dark, and then seeing a figure in the darkness, screaming at you, and charging, I’d get the frick out of there.
I know you made this just over 5 minutes for algorithmic reasons, but thank you so much for not throwing in fluff or filler to drag this out to 5 minutes. RESPECT!
I can't imagine life without my trusty ol' Moss 500. I have always just had it loaded with 00 buck. Just recently I made the switch to #4 buck. 27 pellets that are the size of a .22 with an eight inch spread at 10 yards which is home defense range.
Well technically its more closely related to the .240 or the .243 that shoot at 3500 to 4k fps. If you look at buckshot flying at 1200fps or so thats like emptying half a box of large game rounds at someone AT ONCE.
Another good ammo choice is 3"Magnum #5 turkey loads. The most anti gun DA would have a hard time proving that you're a wannabe cop if you used hunting ammunition for self defense.
i think upgrading your sights are a bit overkill considering you're shooting buckshot at max 10/20 yards not marksman tier accuracy is really required at those kinds of distances it's mostly point and shoot ^^ !
i have personally had a very hard time lining up the sights on shotguns so i believe having a clearer sight picture is definitely going to make that easier to make finer adjustments especially in high risk scenarios
As long as were talking about shotguns I might as well bring up claymore. There basically a shotgun and you can set one up at all of the places someone will break in from. You will be woken up by the sound of the intruder already being dead.
*deep breath* Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. *Four ruffians break into my house. *"What the devil?" as I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. *Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. *Draw my pistol on the second man, misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog. *I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot. *"Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. *Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. *Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
just throw a "gun free and knife free" zone sign up so they can't break into your house with that. Then ask them VERY Politely to leave. If they say no, then go to your closest safe space and wait for them to leave. Remember your stuff is insured, so see if they need help loading up your stuff while you wait.
The best tactical lights have the the strobe option. That is VERY disorienting to the person on the other end, and still provides the ability to identify targets easily.
Thumbs up for that. I put a 18.5" barrel on my first gun ever a Mossberg 500 AB. The only problem is the length of the stock this shotgun is 44 years old and still like new. The most use was clay pigeon shooting and small game but then she got put away but was kept up with annual oiling and kept dry. I want to buy a tactical semi-auto with pistol style grip and adjustable stock. If there are suggestions would love to hear even if I can get a good used model. Thanks hope to hear. Roadman55@verizon.net
A bright flashlight will do the job just as well. End of the day, any bad guy with a gun will still shoot at the source of the light. Just buy a decent weapon light. I prefer surefire.
Just bought Maverick 88 with 18 inch barrel. Buying some ammo from Lucky Gunner soon. I greatly enjoy your videos , best shotgun videos on the tube. Thank you guys.
From my experience with lights, using a surefire for end dedicated light would be a better choice than adding a separate light to the forend. Reason being, if you have ever shot a 12 gauge with a light as close to the forend like shown in this video, the recoil will make that rack come back and dig the light in to your hand, which is painful. I've done it to myself more than once when I practiced at the range, bought a surefire dsf and never had that trouble again. Just my .02
@@toddjohnson271 knowing when and how to use a light is critical. You don't keep the light on, but turn it on momentarily to check a spot or to identify your target.
Having some sort of flashlight is literally the most important characteristic of any defensive weapon. You HAVE to know what you're pointing your gun at. It's more important than what sights you have. It's more important than even having sights at all. It's more important than ammo choice, grips, stocks, anything. It's literally priority number one as far as accessories. The one and only thing that's more important than a flashlight is practice.
I'm enjoying the shotgun videos immensely. I was kinda afraid of picking up a shotgun because I'm not a huge dude, and I'm intimidated by the 12 gauge recoil. But... you don't look like a huge dude either so you give me confidence. And the clue about adding a shorter stock. So I picked up a Mossberg 590, put a 12" Hogue stock on it, and I'm ready for my first trip to the range! (I've been shooting for about 35 years, so not my FIRST trip to the range, just my first SHOTGUN trip to the range.) :-)
The most devastating single shot wound I ever witnessed was a head shot at about 25, or so feet delivered via. a 12 ga. 00 Buckshot load. Hence my personal choice in a home defensive weapon.
i would love to do this to an 870 but i don't have the money. i believe in a home defense gun. but i also believe my stock 870 or my stock a300 can defend my home just as well as any other gun can.
Levi Cooper you are absolutely correct, a stock shotgun will work just as well as upgraded one. The upgrades just increase efficiency. Like Lucky Gunner said most events are over on 2-3 rounds.
IProtec for a mag.tube clamp for up to a one inch diameter white light and a pic rail for an IProtec laser with remote pressure switch all can be had for around 100 bucks maybe a tad more.
What are your thoughts on the aguila 12 gauge mini 1" shells? Easy way to double your ammo capacity, IF they cycle properly. Would love to see you do a short video on them and how to make sure they cycle properly in your HD shotgun!
+Lynn Mckenney I have not tried the Aguila mini shells, but I've tried the Nobel Sport mini buckshot. They cycled okay in the 870, but the spread at just 7 yards was 12 inches. Unacceptable for home defense when you are accountable for the final destination of all of those pellets. I have been planning to check out the Aguila shells and see if they pattern any better.
I have the same setup. I need to get a light on there. The included screws scrapped on my barrel. I wasn't sure if that's a extra kit or what screw you used? Finally someone on here that realizes more stuff = more weight/ problems!
+Jake Norden Both have a very good track record for stopping attackers with a single upper torso shot. Two in some rare instances. Slugs typically have more recoil and tend to over penetrate, so buckshot is preferred for home-defense. Slugs are better when you need to reach past 25-35 yards, which is more relevant for hunting than for personal protection.
I love your videos. I am trying to refine my home shotgun defense. Your videos have been extremely helpful! I have a Mossberg that I bought with a pistol grip at a gun show, Merica! I'm trying to refine it into a home defense weapon. I love the look of the Magpul furniture on your gun. My barrel and magazine are a a bit long for my liking but I'm off on the right track. I subscribed to see more good shotgun stuff.... since I can't just afford an AR platform to protect my homestead.
Just sold a Winchester and Mossberg home defense shot guns and picked up a Berreta 1301 now getting use to the semi auto shotgun. Not hot on the idea of a light our house has decent light at night. Good video'
Also, for number 6, using a flashlight that has strobe mode is very useful to visually impair your assailants, especially if they're armed with guns as well.
Nicholas Gonzalez I would use it then my AR 15 it’s easy to remember what to do o shoot a lot with the AR but I still forgot what to do next that why o would grab my shotgun first
You really only need one thing... a suppressor. No one mentions how deafening and disorienting it will be when you let loose that short barrel 12 gauge indoors in a small bedroom hallway, where ALL of that pressure is bounced right back at you. *mawp... mawp* If you can't own a suppressor, get something like a SU22, so that you can at least minimize the permanent hearing damage you're about to inflict on yourself.
The Maverick 88 in either the youth 20 gauge or 12 guage. Even the full size with a youth stock is great. 8 rounds of 12 gauge buckshot with a tac light and 5 more on the stock does well.
I like my dog, but the guilt I would feel if I accidentally shot him would pale in comparison to the pain and psychological torture I would endure if I accidentally shot one of my kids. I understand the sentiment, but I prefer to make a distinction there. I'm not a big fan of slings on home defense guns. First, you probably shouldn't be carrying it anywhere because you shouldn't be trying to clear your own house, especially not with a long gun. The shotgun is a "bunker defense" weapon when you can safely stay in one spot and engage an attacker only if they come to you. If you must move around the house, turn on lights, open doors, etc, a handgun is a better tool. But even if you were to be mobile in the home with a shotgun, the sling is going to be more of a hindrance than a help. It would really suck if you were trying to check out a bump in the night end you end up getting disarmed by a doorknob that snagged your sling.
I have a 6 way adjustable stock on my Remington 870 but I keep,going back to my Winchester 1300 defender speed pump mounted a light and a side saddle to it holds 7 +1 and is fun to shoot
Have a Saiga 12 with a Pheonix Technologies recoil reducing stock, polished internals, gas port job and a 12 round mini drum, will let it sit for months, dusty and everything, and will fire it cold without any lube or cycling the action. Fires everytime, will run the cheap Walmart stuff, pretty sure it will run the OO buck in it. What do you think of my setup?
The mag fed semi-autos tend to be very temperamental. I'm sure yours works fine for now, but it is almost guaranteed to start having reliability issues long before you would see problems in a quality tube-fed shotgun.
I messed around with the placement of my shotgun light (TLR RM2 on a 590a1). While the 3 or 9 o'clock position is great ergonomically. I got a lot of shadowing. Since the light sits back a ways from the end of the barrel. I ended up going with my light in the 6 clock position. Not quite as ergo friendly. But I got a much better throw from the light and a lot less shadowing.
I had an old 50 round bandolier laying around. I cut that thing down to 10 groups of 5. I went out and bought a roll of velcro. I glued that to the back of the bandolier. I even put a few pop rivets in just to make sure that it didn't separate. I then put some velcro on the side of my mossberg 500, works great. They have lasted over 3 years. None have gotten loose. It is a piece of cake to drop a couple packs of shotgun shells into my side pocket.
Personally I prefer a few kilowatts of CO2 laser, as that's more practically available. Just reconfigure the guts of a laser cutter and add a long extension cord or Li-Ion backpack.
Australian Eugenics Expert As much as I really don’t want to get into a debate about guns in the US... I feel like alarm systems act more as a deterrent than an actual line of defense. You’re right that a criminal can and has done that. But it’s most likely to scare away dumb criminals and you’re left with the smart ones breaking in. Smart criminals are going to plan out when you’re not home and break in then. A shotgun really has no benefit there. Sometimes yes. Someone will be dumb enough to break in with an alarm system while you’re home. That’s extremely unlikely from my experience and at some point it’s better to accept the loss and have nobody hurt or killed than to pop em’ in the head or chest at short range. But you know shotguns are nice for other uses so I’m not saying no to having one for fun and keeping it for home safety also.
Still very interested in the SRM1216. Compacted, 16 rounds, rotary magazine, so legal in many states, and who could afford one-said to be a reliable AR style receiver.
So, bear in mind that I'm an AR guy, whose first gun was an issued M4A1, but an 18" barrel on a 590A1 still seems waaaaay too long. It's pretty awkward to get through the doorways and around the corners of my house, impossible to do without dropping the muzzle or taking the butt out of my shoulder pocket in fact, and shortening the LOP with a different stock doesn't seem like it'll help much. Think I should switch to an SBS or a Shockwave-style blaster?
The only qualm I have is the sight. I am much faster with a bead, I can make very good fast hits with slugs at 50yd, and solid hits at 100yds, both much much further than any distance in any house I have been in.
+Moto Rad Not everyone has great eyesight. When you get older your eye sight deteriorates, consequently a sight upgrade is really necessary. I can't use the bead sights anymore, so I am switching over to red dot sights and I love them.
Also have you ever tried shooting that way in very low light? That bead can get really hard to see way out there. Also there is a reason the military is going to optics. Those reasons apply to rifles and shotguns equally.
Richard Lamoreaux That is a good consideration. I have never shot slugs in low light. I would prefer a red dot probably, but I don't think I would benefit at all in that case from ghost rings. While optics would provide a benefit, ghost rings would not (for me).
That's a terrific and simple solution to mounting a light on the forend. I'm embarrassed to show how mine's mounted. Do you still use the Streamlight pistol light for your home defense shotgun build?
Good info. Sounds Iike I've got my bases covered pretty good with my Remington 870 tactical magpul express. 6+1, streamlight tlr1s, mesa tactical 6 round side saddle. I learned not to keep it fully loaded all the time, my magazine spring lost alot of tension. Just ordered a heavy duty spring and will only load it with 7 before bed and keep 5 loaded otherwise.
+westmichile88 I can only relate my own experience but after keeping it fully loaded for months the spring lost all its tension. Used to be when I'd unscrew the mag cap the spring would fly out. After several months I'd unscrew the cap and the spring didn't move. Replaced it with a wolff heavy duty spring. It's all moot now because I'm keeping an m and p sport 2 ar 15 by my bed at night. After doing alot of research I discovered that the 00 buck pellets from a 12 gauge will over penetrate more than .223 hp from an ar. Plus it's much lighter to handle and I have 30 rounds instead of 7.
+srg914 I think Mike lamb recommends #4 buck for home in regards to over penetration. One could say it delivers enough penetration to get the job done without being too insignificant. If a shell can't penetrate a wall at house distance, might be questionable whether that'll get the job done.
My busnell red dot on my 12 gauge has held up beautifully and still holds zero I've dropped it on hard surfaces(accidentally) numerous times and it continues to impress me.
+Visitor It's a gimmick and a range toy. Not proven to be reliable or rugged enough to trust as a life saving tool. The added capacity is completely superfluous for a home defense role, so it offers no real benefit over a conventional shotgun with a single tube but makes the gun more mechanically complicated and susceptible to malfunctions (you will be hard pressed to find any instance of a home invasion stopped with a shotgun where more than 4-5 shots were required. 1-2 shots if it was loaded with buckshot and actually hit the target). The bullpup configuration may have some advantages, but not worth the trade-off for trusting your life to a gun from a company with chronic quality control problems. There are few legitimate reasons to stray very far from the Remington or Mossberg pumps or Beretta or Benelli semi-autos. The biggest weakness of the traditional pump shotguns is user-induced malfunctions, and the Kel-Tec doesn't offer any solutions to that. Most of the same could be said of the UTS-15 and any of the other gimmicky shotgun designs.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Hey you used to have some vids on the 1301, did you take them down, I was considering getting one and was going rewatch those vids. thanks.
I HAVE A Remington 870 pistol grip and same has the forend and it measures 2 feet total of course I had to cut the barrel it’s very lightweight and easy to shoot,
All good points and I have a Remington 870 done up about just like this but the down side is it adds weight and affects handling I think for home defense where the gun is going to be used at close range and most likely quickly how it handles is more important I keep the 870 now in the gun safe and have an old Remington model 31 with a 18 inch barrel next to the bed Light with a superb action.
My shotgun checklist Short barrel. ✔ 18 inches Short stock. ✔ kinda. It's short enough Extanded mag X, also disagree. Most burgerlys don't consist of more than 1 or 2 people mag carrier ✔ cheap on amazon upgraded sights X I don't have a gunsmith Light X but i am looking at a pikitinny rail mount to attach a light
Most burglaries don't, some do, and if you're unlucky enough to have that, or, alternatively, you miss, having more rounds. The entire point of the gun is to prepare for the worst case scenario, because if you have to pull a gun in the first place, it's already a pretty bad situation. It also gives you more room to fire warning shots if you deem that a good course of action.
My 870 has a plug in the tube that makes it to where if I need to use it for hunting I can only load 3 shells but if i need it for home defense I can load up to 5 or 6. Most hunting shotguns come with the option to take the plug out of the tube
The problem with having a Tomahawk missile and no shotgun is that sometimes the threat is already in your home. You won’t always have time to arm and fire the missile, even if you have the coordinates pre-set to obliterate your front door or your couch.
I just got a top folding stock for my 500... after I put it on, I realized I made the weapon less lethal (for melee purposes of course). Also more difficult to reach the safety. I'll just keep it for the range I suppose.
my bed room has what I call an airlock between the door and the living room which takes around 3 seconds to run across so I have two ammo tins tied together, if someone walks through, they'll knock them other so i have some time to reach my hi power and aim. by the time the person comes in, my eyes have already adjusted to the lighting conditions well enough to aim without squinting
I don't get putting ghost ring sights on a shotgun for home defense. It reduces your field of vision. You can shoot slugs to 50 yards easy with a bead sight
What do you and the everyone else think of Federals 16 pellet standard 2 3/4 inch loads of #1 Buck for home defense? I like the increase in pellets personally and live in a fairly small 2 bedroom brick home by myself.
@@judsongaiden9878 Aye! Keep searching or haggle with your gun dealer. I've shopped with the same people for years so they know I'm not going to leave with a new toy without haggling.
3 things, 1st is in home defense the sling just gets in the way, its a usually a short and quick situation, 2nd is weight, especially if it carries many rounds and u keep it full. I have one and I actually don't prefer it unless its like the apocalypse or something. If you start firing rapidly, especially a pump gun, it starts swinging uncontrollably making it impossible to stay on target. And 3rd its totally unstable and nearly impossible to reload quickly from in a fire fight. Really its only benefit is long term, long distance storage slung on your shoulder, like a hiking backpack would be.
@@bufordtjustice8630 fair advice, I originally grabbed a sling that held 4 extra shells because I keep it in my camper in the woods as much as my home.
Something i think is paramount is active hearing protection. 12g is loud as hell but I still want to be able to hear after I have to shoot to confirm if there's another threat
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So, just a recap:
1: Short barrel (18-20”)
2: Short stock (12-13” for proper mounting)
3: Mag extension (5-6 rounds in the gun)
4: Spare ammo (side saddle or stock carrier)
5: Sight upgrade (although not essential)
6: Mounted light (for obvious reasons)
lol ok
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Well,if a laser pointer can be counted for 5,then i would be set.
Forgot the 1917 trench gun bayonet
What is the sight on this?
Dudes. This guy takes the courses, films himself and shares the best points of what he learned; for free. Legend.
He gets paid you retard
Dragon breath rounds are obviously the best for home defence
Home defence against spiders
Yeah, if the threat is less than 10 meters away.
Dragon breath , you want to burn it up .
Especially if you live in a barn filled with antique oil lamps.
added bonus of getting the Police AND Fire Department to respond
What, no bayonet?!
If you don't have a bayonet are you even operating?
Just banzi the intruder
Pipe bomb
Why bother with the gun in the first place? Just take the British route and charge!
@Mr Luger You probably wouldn’t even have to kill them. Being in the dark, and then seeing a figure in the darkness, screaming at you, and charging, I’d get the frick out of there.
Chris’ videos never fail to impress: good common-sense advice delivered in an intelligent, succinct manner.
Who needs a shotgun when you have a minigun turret installed in your floor.
Exactly
Lmao
What about the A-10 in the garage
Yeah, but I'd rather not have to have the house put back together every time I hear the fridge making ice at 3:00am
Me: wakes up to get a cup of water
Turret I forgot to deactivate: brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
my FBI agent must be concerned on how I went from "Ｐｕｍｐｅｄ Ｕｐ Ｋｉｃｋｓ ＶＡＰＯＲＷＡＶＥ (若者が履く流行のスニーカー)" to "6 Features of a Home-Defense Shotgun
" in one click
No but he's confused because he didn't expect you to do that. Scramble his brain LoL
We all must have a government agent watching us and collecting the dots. Where we go, who we contact, where we work, routines etc...
Regardless, I don't think he'll be able to outrun your gun.
Love that song. Especially that version of that song.
Your dog is and should be a member of your family. And bayonets on shotguns appeals to me!
I skipped the light and went straight for a chainsaw attachment
I hope you're joking.
@@martingrey2004 home defense is no joking matter! When I crank up this bad boy, any would-be preps will shit themselves!!
Waiting for the oscillating,rechargeable bayonet w/laser & searchlight cigar lighter.
*PRIORITIES
@@laurineil-morin3792 *Patent pending.
I know you made this just over 5 minutes for algorithmic reasons, but thank you so much for not throwing in fluff or filler to drag this out to 5 minutes. RESPECT!
I can't imagine life without my trusty ol' Moss 500. I have always just had it loaded with 00 buck. Just recently I made the switch to #4 buck. 27 pellets that are the size of a .22 with an eight inch spread at 10 yards which is home defense range.
Its actually a .240 cal
#4 buck is absolutely my go to for HD for the exact reason you said.
Well technically its more closely related to the .240 or the .243 that shoot at 3500 to 4k fps. If you look at buckshot flying at 1200fps or so thats like emptying half a box of large game rounds at someone AT ONCE.
Another good ammo choice is 3"Magnum #5 turkey loads.
The most anti gun DA would have a hard time proving that you're a wannabe cop if you used hunting ammunition for self defense.
Yep if it is to much for some # 4 shot is good too for the peeps on the other side of walls.
After watching about a dozen videos on the subject, this is the best-by far.
i think upgrading your sights are a bit overkill considering you're shooting buckshot at max 10/20 yards not marksman tier accuracy is really required at those kinds of distances it's mostly point and shoot ^^ !
Plus if you miss the burglar, he will get scared af and even get on his knees and start begging.
i have personally had a very hard time lining up the sights on shotguns so i believe having a clearer sight picture is definitely going to make that easier to make finer adjustments especially in high risk scenarios
One of the first things I did with my m500 was bought an upper rail and a cheap $30 laser sight with a side mounted laser. Not a single regret
Better sights are going to give a easier time getting a sight picture
Sights on a shotgun is silly, unless it’s like a dedicated setup for deer hunting I guess
As long as were talking about shotguns I might as well bring up claymore. There basically a shotgun and you can set one up at all of the places someone will break in from. You will be woken up by the sound of the intruder already being dead.
The Finn-isher “now son, don’t go to the bathroom in the night, or else you won’t make it back!”
I'm more into land mines inside the house.
Everything you said is already mounted in my mossburg 500 low end but always dependable thanks for confirming my choices
*deep breath*
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.
*Four ruffians break into my house.
*"What the devil?" as I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle.
*Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot.
*Draw my pistol on the second man, misses him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's dog.
*I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot.
*"Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
*Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion.
*Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.
Just as the founding fathers intended.
needed that laugh
What a rollercoaster of a comment, bravo
You should publish a novel
Omg...that is incredibly funny. Thank you for the laugh.
Rapscallion will now be added to my lexicon🤣🤣🤣
the shotgun is my favorite gun next to my AR. It's just so damn versatile!
just throw a "gun free and knife free" zone sign up so they can't break into your house with that. Then ask them VERY Politely to leave. If they say no, then go to your closest safe space and wait for them to leave. Remember your stuff is insured, so see if they need help loading up your stuff while you wait.
beebop shopbop i really hope ypure joking...
That is pretty much how you are supposed to handle a home intrusion on this side of the wall (Mexico).
hey you really shouldn't be quoting Joe Biden like that!
You forgot to offer them coffee and cake.
This video was excellent. I didn't think of the loading aspect from the side saddler carrier before.
For some people shooting the dog is worse than shooting members of the family.
The Reasonable Nazarene the could bite back...
kuribo1 my dog is a member of the family
Exactly... Did not you see JOHN WICK??? Hahaha
CW
kuribo1 my wife would have less loveloss if i died than her dog for sure
Rather shoot the dog, and I LOVE my dog.
The best tactical lights have the the strobe option. That is VERY disorienting to the person on the other end, and still provides the ability to identify targets easily.
Thumbs up for that. I put a 18.5" barrel on my first gun ever a Mossberg 500 AB. The only problem is the length of the stock this shotgun is 44 years old and still like new. The most use was clay pigeon shooting and small game but then she got put away but was kept up with annual oiling and kept dry. I want to buy a tactical semi-auto with pistol style grip and adjustable stock. If there are suggestions would love to hear even if I can get a good used model. Thanks hope to hear. Roadman55@verizon.net
Strobe is disoreinting for the shooter as well...especially at 3am.
William John Zuggi hope you enjoy the spam mail
William: Check out the Mossberg Shockwave. It's nice and stubby with a 14" barrel.
A bright flashlight will do the job just as well. End of the day, any bad guy with a gun will still shoot at the source of the light.
Just buy a decent weapon light. I prefer surefire.
Just bought Maverick 88 with 18 inch barrel. Buying some ammo from Lucky Gunner soon. I greatly enjoy your videos , best shotgun videos on the tube. Thank you guys.
From my experience with lights, using a surefire for end dedicated light would be a better choice than adding a separate light to the forend. Reason being, if you have ever shot a 12 gauge with a light as close to the forend like shown in this video, the recoil will make that rack come back and dig the light in to your hand, which is painful. I've done it to myself more than once when I practiced at the range, bought a surefire dsf and never had that trouble again. Just my .02
I'll have to look at that. I had an inforce 600 lumen attached to my forend on a a 590 and my left thumb would take a beating because of it.
i put a suurefire on one of those arisaka mounts and bottom mounted it and that stopped happening
Bad guys know where to shoot. See light, shoot light.
@@toddjohnson271 knowing when and how to use a light is critical. You don't keep the light on, but turn it on momentarily to check a spot or to identify your target.
Having some sort of flashlight is literally the most important characteristic of any defensive weapon. You HAVE to know what you're pointing your gun at. It's more important than what sights you have. It's more important than even having sights at all. It's more important than ammo choice, grips, stocks, anything. It's literally priority number one as far as accessories. The one and only thing that's more important than a flashlight is practice.
And makes you a glowing target.
@@tedforrester1948 lol, just what I was thinking. "shoot at the light".
Turn the fucking lights on if you need to see who's in your home.
Did you shoot your dog???
@@breckchabreck1375
Lol no. I just think that having information about what you're pointing your gun at is priority number one.
I appreciate that you aren't a overly tactical nut case! thanks for the solid video and I really like your 870 =D!
Never forget that the left considers anyone who would watch this video a nut case. Exercise your rights.
I'm enjoying the shotgun videos immensely. I was kinda afraid of picking up a shotgun because I'm not a huge dude, and I'm intimidated by the 12 gauge recoil. But... you don't look like a huge dude either so you give me confidence. And the clue about adding a shorter stock. So I picked up a Mossberg 590, put a 12" Hogue stock on it, and I'm ready for my first trip to the range! (I've been shooting for about 35 years, so not my FIRST trip to the range, just my first SHOTGUN trip to the range.) :-)
Bro dw im 5’6 and 140 and I have moss 500 w a pistol grip ur fine, push pull method
bang bang shoot em up.
Im also 5'6" too and im surgical with ole Mossy. Really good at skeet shooting too. I hope you ended up getting one bro! Love me some shotties.
The most devastating single shot wound I ever witnessed was a head shot at about 25, or so feet delivered via. a 12 ga. 00 Buckshot load. Hence my personal choice in a home defensive weapon.
I have a Winchester 1300 defender with wood and I sawed off a couple inches of the stock and put on a limbsaver pad. Works like a charm!
i would love to do this to an 870 but i don't have the money. i believe in a home defense gun. but i also believe my stock 870 or my stock a300 can defend my home just as well as any other gun can.
Levi Cooper you are absolutely correct, a stock shotgun will work just as well as upgraded one. The upgrades just increase efficiency. Like Lucky Gunner said most events are over on 2-3 rounds.
@cjhyde78 Can't you just look at gunbroker? They seem to offer plenty of police models.
I can use my stock 870 for anything. When you start adding on and taking away you limit the usefulness to just home defense.
IProtec for a mag.tube clamp for up to a one inch diameter white light and a pic rail for an IProtec laser with remote pressure switch all can be had for around 100 bucks maybe a tad more.
@@SgtBooker44 ysh also alot ofnoractice with ur home defence weapon makes it the best weapon for you and effective
love you channel man, its nice to a gun expert that speaks plainly and without a really thick accent.
Your videos are well delivered, informative, and enjoyable. I've subscribed.
What are your thoughts on the aguila 12 gauge mini 1" shells?
Easy way to double your ammo capacity, IF they cycle properly.
Would love to see you do a short video on them and how to make sure they cycle properly in your HD shotgun!
+Lynn Mckenney I have not tried the Aguila mini shells, but I've tried the Nobel Sport mini buckshot. They cycled okay in the 870, but the spread at just 7 yards was 12 inches. Unacceptable for home defense when you are accountable for the final destination of all of those pellets. I have been planning to check out the Aguila shells and see if they pattern any better.
I don't use a light on my guns, of course I don't like my dog or my family. I'm kidding ... I'm kidding!
+Barry Justice Of course I like my dog!
+Barry Justice lol
ye betteh be m8
Same, so give your dog a Glock 18 and teach him how to use it with a drum mag
Dog at night time: WHERE ME FRICKN GLOCK ATTTT MAAAATTTEEEY
I have the same setup. I need to get a light on there. The included screws scrapped on my barrel. I wasn't sure if that's a extra kit or what screw you used?
Finally someone on here that realizes more stuff = more weight/ problems!
Which delivers more stopping power? Slugs or Buckshot?
+Jake Norden Both have a very good track record for stopping attackers with a single upper torso shot. Two in some rare instances. Slugs typically have more recoil and tend to over penetrate, so buckshot is preferred for home-defense. Slugs are better when you need to reach past 25-35 yards, which is more relevant for hunting than for personal protection.
Slugs but you may want the spread that you get with buckshot
Slugs hit harder, but they might hit too hard for defense. Buckshot hits hard enough for defense.
Use buck and ball
I love your videos. I am trying to refine my home shotgun defense. Your videos have been extremely helpful! I have a Mossberg that I bought with a pistol grip at a gun show, Merica! I'm trying to refine it into a home defense weapon. I love the look of the Magpul furniture on your gun. My barrel and magazine are a a bit long for my liking but I'm off on the right track. I subscribed to see more good shotgun stuff.... since I can't just afford an AR platform to protect my homestead.
Quote of the month: "I really don´t want to shoot somebody who doesn´t need to get shot"
Just sold a Winchester and Mossberg home defense shot guns and picked up a Berreta 1301 now getting use to the semi auto shotgun. Not hot on the idea of a light our house has decent light at night. Good video'
Also, for number 6, using a flashlight that has strobe mode is very useful to visually impair your assailants, especially if they're armed with guns as well.
A big help in considering a first time home defense buy. Thank you!
Nicholas Gonzalez I would use it then my AR 15 it’s easy to remember what to do o shoot a lot with the AR but I still forgot what to do next that why o would grab my shotgun first
You need two lights and three lasers, fore grip, long range scope, magnifier and side sights too for that weapon to be fully effective.
You really only need one thing... a suppressor. No one mentions how deafening and disorienting it will be when you let loose that short barrel 12 gauge indoors in a small bedroom hallway, where ALL of that pressure is bounced right back at you. *mawp... mawp* If you can't own a suppressor, get something like a SU22, so that you can at least minimize the permanent hearing damage you're about to inflict on yourself.
The Maverick 88 in either the youth 20 gauge or 12 guage. Even the full size with a youth stock is great. 8 rounds of 12 gauge buckshot with a tac light and 5 more on the stock does well.
just incase the king of england wanders into your house and thinks he owns the place
There's actually a queen of England:^/
@@okayepic1068 we don't have a king or queen of England .. but we do have a queen of Britain .
okay epic
“There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Queen of England!”
- Titan [Megamind, 2010]
@@lifesimulator3964 ah, what a classic.
@@jestpassinthru9915 fair enough
Nailed it! Short and sweet to the point.
I just sleep with my 2 LMGS with amo hanging from my neck like Rambo.
Holy *beep*
I’m shure you do ( firearms made after 1970 can not have full auto capabilities) so no point in having 2 semi auto m249s
@@derefter9302 ahhh see my LMGS were made in 1969 so
Very funny
@@derefter9302 tbh I found it quite amusing
I invested in a pump integrated w/light. Also I've added a folding telescopic stock W/pistol grip and love it
Tw things:
1. Dogs are members of the family too
2. What about a sling?
I like my dog, but the guilt I would feel if I accidentally shot him would pale in comparison to the pain and psychological torture I would endure if I accidentally shot one of my kids. I understand the sentiment, but I prefer to make a distinction there.
I'm not a big fan of slings on home defense guns. First, you probably shouldn't be carrying it anywhere because you shouldn't be trying to clear your own house, especially not with a long gun. The shotgun is a "bunker defense" weapon when you can safely stay in one spot and engage an attacker only if they come to you. If you must move around the house, turn on lights, open doors, etc, a handgun is a better tool. But even if you were to be mobile in the home with a shotgun, the sling is going to be more of a hindrance than a help. It would really suck if you were trying to check out a bump in the night end you end up getting disarmed by a doorknob that snagged your sling.
Slings mean the world to me.
Or an RPG
One thing :
1. You spelt two wrong
Lucky Gunner Ammo you can always have more children
I have a 6 way adjustable stock on my Remington 870 but I keep,going back to my Winchester 1300 defender speed pump mounted a light and a side saddle to it holds 7 +1 and is fun to shoot
Could you put links for the products you used?
Have a Saiga 12 with a Pheonix Technologies recoil reducing stock, polished internals, gas port job and a 12 round mini drum, will let it sit for months, dusty and everything, and will fire it cold without any lube or cycling the action. Fires everytime, will run the cheap Walmart stuff, pretty sure it will run the OO buck in it. What do you think of my setup?
The mag fed semi-autos tend to be very temperamental. I'm sure yours works fine for now, but it is almost guaranteed to start having reliability issues long before you would see problems in a quality tube-fed shotgun.
Wow, great video! Thanks for posting
I messed around with the placement of my shotgun light (TLR RM2 on a 590a1). While the 3 or 9 o'clock position is great ergonomically. I got a lot of shadowing. Since the light sits back a ways from the end of the barrel. I ended up going with my light in the 6 clock position. Not quite as ergo friendly. But I got a much better throw from the light and a lot less shadowing.
Nice video.Well made,specific and useful info also.Keep up the good work.
I had an old 50 round bandolier laying around. I cut that thing down to 10 groups of 5. I went out and bought a roll of velcro. I glued that to the back of the bandolier. I even put a few pop rivets in just to make sure that it didn't separate. I then put some velcro on the side of my mossberg 500, works great. They have lasted over 3 years. None have gotten loose. It is a piece of cake to drop a couple packs of shotgun shells into my side pocket.
I do like a 16" barrel. A plasma rifle in 40 watt range is much more effective though....
Personally I prefer a few kilowatts of CO2 laser, as that's more practically available. Just reconfigure the guts of a laser cutter and add a long extension cord or Li-Ion backpack.
I prefer an Uzi 9-millameetah
TheGuyWithTheSniper .45 caliber long slide with laser sighting.
Check out the SRM 1216. No spare ammo needed. 17 rounds without any motion except rotating the magazine a quarter turn.
I won’t need to know this cause I live in the uk but I’m watching it regardless
You won’t need this most places in the us if you have even the cheapest home security systems, but some people feel a need for it for whatever reason.
Australian Eugenics Expert
As much as I really don’t want to get into a debate about guns in the US...
I feel like alarm systems act more as a deterrent than an actual line of defense.
You’re right that a criminal can and has done that. But it’s most likely to scare away dumb criminals and you’re left with the smart ones breaking in. Smart criminals are going to plan out when you’re not home and break in then. A shotgun really has no benefit there.
Sometimes yes. Someone will be dumb enough to break in with an alarm system while you’re home. That’s extremely unlikely from my experience and at some point it’s better to accept the loss and have nobody hurt or killed than to pop em’ in the head or chest at short range.
But you know shotguns are nice for other uses so I’m not saying no to having one for fun and keeping it for home safety also.
@Australian Eugenics Expert If someone is bold enough to break into an occupied residence, I think that signals danger.
@Finn [Redacted] That's exactly the point. What if I'm there, what if I'm not? Better to have that extra security and not need it
@Finn [Redacted] In that case, I'm happy we agree
Still very interested in the SRM1216. Compacted, 16 rounds, rotary magazine, so legal in many states, and who could afford one-said to be a reliable AR style receiver.
So, Remington 870 or Mossberg 590a1?
time4tradin Mossberg. Just my personal preference because I like the ergonomics more. Both are equally reliable.
Get a Mossberg. Rustington quality control is ass nowadays. I hope you chose wisely
Mossberg, Remington has recently declared bankruptcy and their quality is going down the tubes.
So, bear in mind that I'm an AR guy, whose first gun was an issued M4A1, but an 18" barrel on a 590A1 still seems waaaaay too long. It's pretty awkward to get through the doorways and around the corners of my house, impossible to do without dropping the muzzle or taking the butt out of my shoulder pocket in fact, and shortening the LOP with a different stock doesn't seem like it'll help much. Think I should switch to an SBS or a Shockwave-style blaster?
The only qualm I have is the sight. I am much faster with a bead, I can make very good fast hits with slugs at 50yd, and solid hits at 100yds, both much much further than any distance in any house I have been in.
+Moto Rad Not everyone has great eyesight. When you get older your eye sight deteriorates, consequently a sight upgrade is really necessary. I can't use the bead sights anymore, so I am switching over to red dot sights and I love them.
Barry Justice That is a good point I have not considered. 20/20 spoils you.
Also have you ever tried shooting that way in very low light? That bead can get really hard to see way out there. Also there is a reason the military is going to optics. Those reasons apply to rifles and shotguns equally.
Richard Lamoreaux That is a good consideration. I have never shot slugs in low light. I would prefer a red dot probably, but I don't think I would benefit at all in that case from ghost rings. While optics would provide a benefit, ghost rings would not (for me).
50 yds and 100 yds is NOT Home Defence....you WILL go to Jail....
That's a terrific and simple solution to mounting a light on the forend. I'm embarrassed to show how mine's mounted. Do you still use the Streamlight pistol light for your home defense shotgun build?
Good info. Sounds Iike I've got my bases covered pretty good with my Remington 870 tactical magpul express. 6+1, streamlight tlr1s, mesa tactical 6 round side saddle. I learned not to keep it fully loaded all the time, my magazine spring lost alot of tension. Just ordered a heavy duty spring and will only load it with 7 before bed and keep 5 loaded otherwise.
+westmichile88 I can only relate my own experience but after keeping it fully loaded for months the spring lost all its tension. Used to be when I'd unscrew the mag cap the spring would fly out. After several months I'd unscrew the cap and the spring didn't move. Replaced it with a wolff heavy duty spring. It's all moot now because I'm keeping an m and p sport 2 ar 15 by my bed at night. After doing alot of research I discovered that the 00 buck pellets from a 12 gauge will over penetrate more than .223 hp from an ar. Plus it's much lighter to handle and I have 30 rounds instead of 7.
+srg914 I think Mike lamb recommends #4 buck for home in regards to over penetration. One could say it delivers enough penetration to get the job done without being too insignificant. If a shell can't penetrate a wall at house distance, might be questionable whether that'll get the job done.
My busnell red dot on my 12 gauge has held up beautifully and still holds zero I've dropped it on hard surfaces(accidentally) numerous times and it continues to impress me.
So, in other words, a KSG is a good home defense shotgun?
+Elijah Greenberg No.
care to explain why?
also what about UTS 15?
+Visitor It's a gimmick and a range toy. Not proven to be reliable or rugged enough to trust as a life saving tool. The added capacity is completely superfluous for a home defense role, so it offers no real benefit over a conventional shotgun with a single tube but makes the gun more mechanically complicated and susceptible to malfunctions (you will be hard pressed to find any instance of a home invasion stopped with a shotgun where more than 4-5 shots were required. 1-2 shots if it was loaded with buckshot and actually hit the target). The bullpup configuration may have some advantages, but not worth the trade-off for trusting your life to a gun from a company with chronic quality control problems. There are few legitimate reasons to stray very far from the Remington or Mossberg pumps or Beretta or Benelli semi-autos. The biggest weakness of the traditional pump shotguns is user-induced malfunctions, and the Kel-Tec doesn't offer any solutions to that. Most of the same could be said of the UTS-15 and any of the other gimmicky shotgun designs.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Hey you used to have some vids on the 1301, did you take them down, I was considering getting one and was going rewatch those vids.
thanks.
I HAVE A Remington 870 pistol grip and same has the forend and it measures 2 feet total of course I had to cut the barrel it’s very lightweight and easy to shoot,
Awesome video! Great info and great delivery!
All good points and I have a Remington 870 done up about just like this but the down side is it adds weight and affects handling
I think for home defense where the gun is going to be used at close range and most likely quickly how it handles is more important
I keep the 870 now in the gun safe and have an old Remington model 31 with a 18 inch barrel next to the bed
Light with a superb action.
My dogs are members of my family, other than that, great video.
I have a shockwave. I do have a side saddle and light on it, but a stock shockwave pretty much checks all these boxes.
My shotgun checklist
Short barrel. ✔ 18 inches
Short stock. ✔ kinda. It's short enough
Extanded mag X, also disagree. Most burgerlys don't consist of more than 1 or 2 people
mag carrier ✔ cheap on amazon
upgraded sights X I don't have a gunsmith
Light X but i am looking at a pikitinny rail mount to attach a light
Most burglaries don't, some do, and if you're unlucky enough to have that, or, alternatively, you miss, having more rounds. The entire point of the gun is to prepare for the worst case scenario, because if you have to pull a gun in the first place, it's already a pretty bad situation.
It also gives you more room to fire warning shots if you deem that a good course of action.
You don't need a rail to mount a light. There are plenty of clamps that attach to the tube
Magnum Dong I just use duct tape
@@rivec33 you monster
All of your points were perfect examples and good information. How do you feel about bullpups with or without box magazines? It's short and compact.
Basically any shotgun will be good for home defense, as long as it is compact and holds at least 5 shells.
I could not agree more... the Escort Aimguard is an excellent example at about $140
Thank you
My 870 has a plug in the tube that makes it to where if I need to use it for hunting I can only load 3 shells but if i need it for home defense I can load up to 5 or 6. Most hunting shotguns come with the option to take the plug out of the tube
Only plebs use shotguns only true home defense operators know that you need at least 1 CMB Tomohawk missle below your bed at all timed
TheLord OfNuggets it would make your case more plausible if you spelled missile correctly ;)
The problem with having a Tomahawk missile and no shotgun is that sometimes the threat is already in your home. You won’t always have time to arm and fire the missile, even if you have the coordinates pre-set to obliterate your front door or your couch.
Ha ha ha that a boy!
All you need is a flashbang and a tomahawk for home defense
"Put that TV down or I'll blow us all to bits!"
I just got a top folding stock for my 500... after I put it on, I realized I made the weapon less lethal (for melee purposes of course). Also more difficult to reach the safety. I'll just keep it for the range I suppose.
my bed room has what I call an airlock between the door and the living room which takes around 3 seconds to run across so I have two ammo tins tied together, if someone walks through, they'll knock them other so i have some time to reach my hi power and aim. by the time the person comes in, my eyes have already adjusted to the lighting conditions well enough to aim without squinting
I like the VR60...it's relatively short and is mag fed with two 5 round mags as well as you can also acquire 9 round mags
I don't get putting ghost ring sights on a shotgun for home defense. It reduces your field of vision. You can shoot slugs to 50 yards easy with a bead sight
There's no need for sights. I used a shotgun with a ghost ring to shot clays total garbage.
Ghost rings are *supposedly* better for quickly aligning the bigger front sight on a Human sized target.
New to this, can someone tell me please what kind of fun this is I saw him mention the accessories; just looking for gun type thank you.
Correction dog is a member of the family
Derya anakon av-100 . I love what I bought. Come with a 10 rounds mag, top rail, bottom rail and the pump rail and 3 interchangeable choke.
Don’t shoot at noises in the dark because you might shoot your loved ones or worse your dog.
Or worse your dog? Lol tour family should update their wills.
Meh your Korean neighbors will buy it from you
Or a Chihuahua lol making hungry noises at night
“I don’t want to shoot somebody that doesn’t need to get shot.” I love it.
Oh so I only need a shotgun, great now I have return this Vulcan cannon.
What do you and the everyone else think of Federals 16 pellet standard 2 3/4 inch loads of #1 Buck for home defense?
I like the increase in pellets personally and live in a fairly small 2 bedroom brick home by myself.
The Maverick 88 makes a 7+1 security shotgun with a 20" barrel.
Best flashlight the money is Thrunite.
And they still cost roughly $250 just like they did 15 years ago.
@@judsongaiden9878 I got mine out of the door for $221 (would have been $209 without taxes).
@@Commanderhurtz1 Sweet!
@@judsongaiden9878 Aye! Keep searching or haggle with your gun dealer. I've shopped with the same people for years so they know I'm not going to leave with a new toy without haggling.
@@Commanderhurtz1 I've never haggled. The way I figure it, the price of a thing should be what it is - clear-cut and objectively defined.
Nice, quick, and to the point
For me the KSG checks enough boxes for me
I use a Mossberg 500 with an aftermarket pump with lite and a folding telescopic stock holding 8+1 when not using mag.shells
Other home owners: i hear a burglar i’m going to grab my shotgun, spare ammo and a flashlight
Me: buildin’ a sentry!
Sentry going up!
@@majestict3e70 *Spy has entered the chat*
Bruh, that game is deaaaddd!
*Friendly AC130 inbound*
I feel it would have been worth mentioning a strobe light feature on the flashlight to identify the target and keep yourself somewhat concealed.
My dogs ARE members of my family!
What's the opinion on using a sling that hold extra ammo? Other than reload speed I can't think of any other downsides.
3 things, 1st is in home defense the sling just gets in the way, its a usually a short and quick situation, 2nd is weight, especially if it carries many rounds and u keep it full. I have one and I actually don't prefer it unless its like the apocalypse or something. If you start firing rapidly, especially a pump gun, it starts swinging uncontrollably making it impossible to stay on target. And 3rd its totally unstable and nearly impossible to reload quickly from in a fire fight. Really its only benefit is long term, long distance storage slung on your shoulder, like a hiking backpack would be.
@@bufordtjustice8630 fair advice, I originally grabbed a sling that held 4 extra shells because I keep it in my camper in the woods as much as my home.
Got a grenade launcher attachment on mine.
Just something to have if I miss all the bullets
use smoke grenades in it, and use thermal goggles.
My Mossberg 590 Shockwave has a shell carrier, top rail, and front rail which has a Streamlight light/laser combo.
my dad shot his dog when he was home alone one night
the dog died
my dad's spirit went with it.
Wtf?
unrotated predictable
Sorry to hear that.
Length absolutely has an effect on spread.. it's just not noticeable at close distance. It's definitely noticeable at distance
Great quality video, keep it up! Subscribed :)
Something i think is paramount is active hearing protection. 12g is loud as hell but I still want to be able to hear after I have to shoot to confirm if there's another threat