How do Christians uphold the law? A bible study on Romans
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Romans 3:31 is a common stumbling block for those trying to determine if-and to what degree-Christians are expected to keep the Law of Moses. In this verse, the apostle Paul, seems to be indicating that our faith in Jesus does not overthrow the law but, instead, upholds it. What does that mean for our Hebrew Roots and Torah-observant friends? Let’s dig into this passage in context and see what Scripture is teaching us here.
"Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law." (Romans 3:31)
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CHAPTERS
00:00 What's the deal with Romans 3:31?
00:31 Setting the table
01:13 The Road to Romans 3:31
05:47 Examining Romans 3:31
06:52 Interpretation option #1
07:35 Interpretation option #2
10:12 Interpretation option #3
12:02 Wrap up: Two takeaways
I went down the legalism path early on, when my conscience was still weak.
I look back on it now and can honestly say that, it really is the path you take, when you have not yet completely died to "self."
As I grew in the grace and knowledge of my Saviour. I realised who He truly is and what He truly did for me (before the foundation of the world) it was very humbling.
Our pilgrim walk is not a walk in the park and all of us are at different stages. Sometimes I forget to just keep my eyes fixed straight ahead on Jesus Christ. If I look to myslef or to others around me, then I fall off the path and suffer the consequences.
It's not easy but the winter seasons don't last forever.
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I love having the freedom in Christ to uphold and celebrate Shabbat with my family on Shabbat. It's been a blessing to my family for 5+ years. My wife loves planning and preparing a large and special Friday night meal every week. We have 10 children and they all love it too because my wife and I make it our goal to give them our undivided attention. We put away devices, we spend more time in the word of God. We take a break from reading the news! :) We are thankful that God has given us such a special gift and we don't see it as a burden at all. Think of it more like having Thanksgiving every week. Like David said, God's ways are perfect and they are an absolute delight.
That is beautiful!
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 What's also sad are the people out there who do practice observance of Shabbat look upon ALL those out here who do not practice Shabbat as possessing condemnatory attitudes, such as accusations of legalism. If someone feels that others who do not do as they do, that those other people are looking DOWN upon them.
Please adopt an understanding that many of us out here, and I being an Israeli, who do not practice observance of Shabbat, do NOT see your personal practices as being legalistic. The accusation of being legalistic enters in when the practitioners of Torah look down upon others who do not do as they do, and teach it all as requirement upon all who profess Christ.
you are free to do that and others are free not to do that
@@ST52655 I don't look down on you. It's just like if you didn't sleep at night. I wouldn't look down on you. I would just say that you are missing out on some good, God-designed rest.
@t.scottmajor1316 We totally agree. My family and I found a very good HRM group. Their focus is on our relationship with Jesus and getting to know him better through the law, the feasts etc. They lean heavily on the side of grace. It has been beautiful for the whole family. We love going there.
The fact that you have a comment section is mind blowing 🤯🤯🤯 and that you tackle head on torahism is also pretty amazing 🤯 and then you respond to arguments even though it’s like arguing with a deaf person 🤯🤯🤯 keep it up bro your videos are accurate and truly mind blowing
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 yes!! How few are those that find the abundant life that Jesus said He came to give 🥺
According to Jesus in Matthew 23 BLINDNESS ONLY GOES ONE WAY from teachers of the law to their students who they teach to be like them.
@@kimartist And to whom is your current searing judgement aimed at since the people Yeshua was engaging with no longer exist since the destruction of the Temple and the priesthood? 🤔
You highlighting in capital letters in your words, not Yeshua's or God's, or the Bible's, that "BLINDNESS ONLY GOES ONE WAY" belies either a condemnation of the Pharisees, whom Yeshua already took to task directly, or some other thought of yours concerning this.
If the Bible is not cherrypicked to favour personal dislikes to support human doctrinal interpretation and teachers of lawlessness, as opposed to being teachers of the law, and the whole of the Scriptures taken into account concerning blindness that you so condemn, one can read of GENTILE CHRISTIAN BLINDNESS in Revelation 3:15-17 where the Sabbath-keeping Apostle John writes about the GENTILE CHRISTIAN CHURCH at Laodicea:
"BUT DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT YOU ARE WRETCHED, PITIFUL, POOR, BLIND AND NAKED?"
This is not directed at "teachers of the law" but to those who profess faith in Yeshua! BLIND!
Maybe there is a certain amount of blindness upon judgemental individuals who miss such glaring judgements by the Almighty to those within Christendom, rather than only seeing the faults of corrupt Jewish leadership 2,000 years ago who added many man-made traditions.
Laodicea is the same place where the Council was held in 321 to replace the Sabbath of the LORD with the un-commanded Day of the Sun, or "Sun"-day, named by Emperor Constantine before He apparently embraced Christianity as an enforced rest day in honour of sun worship, but not named after the Son of God, which the Gentile Church still uses as a term today.
The Bishop of Ephesus, Polycrates, which church is also mentioned in Revelation along with Smyrna etc., wrote to Victor Bishop of Rome in 193 refusing to give up remembering the Lord's death on the Biblical date of the crucifixion on Nisan 14th, the Day of Passover, as opposed to the new Roman invention of "Easter" and the Bishop of Smyrna, Polycarp, a few years earlier did similar with a previous bishop of Rome called Anticetus, and Polycarp was soon after martyred.
Polycarp bridges the gap between Gentile membership of the Church and the original Jewish apostles and disciples as Eusebius writes that he shared Passover with the same Apostle John.
Thus the Apostolic link between this practice and the Gentiles remains unbroken to this day, with the Quartodeciman Gentile Sabbath/Passover-keeping churches that John founded across Asia Minor being the example in practice for the pre-Roman Celtic Church in Britain and Ireland until the Synod of Whitby in 664 when Oswy, king of Northumbria, England, was swayed by wily Roman prelates to accept the new Roman "Easter", named after the goddess Eostre/Eastre, over the Celtic practice that dated back to the Quartodeciman ("14th") churches of the Apostle John.
From that point the British Church turned Roman with even later so-called "Protestants" keeping the Roman feast days and fasts, such as Christ-Mass, Easter and Lent without any question.
Yet, if a Christian were to mention the Sabbath or Passover today they will be branded by Gentile denominational Christians as being "under the law," even though Sabbath is "rest" for man in his physical need and Passover is what Yeshua askeď us to remember His death on.
"As often as ye do THIS," i.e. commemorate Passover, not "do this as often as you like"!! 🤯
Colossians 2:16 lists these very things for Christians not to judge against, including the Biblical New Moons or God-ordained lunar months or "moonths" in the calendar that Yeshua kept throughout His perfect life as an Example of how we should live our lives before the Father.
Instead, however, we have a plethora of man-made traditions not commanded by Yeshua just like the traditions that the Pharisees added on top that are not required at all by God or the Bible.
Yeshua did not tell the Pharisees to forsake the law, but not to neglect the more important matters of the law, though the lesser things like tithing mint should not be left undone either.
This is a very different corrective pronouncement than the blind judgement of many lawless Christians against those who know that Yeshua did not come to abolish the law, as He said.
You say blindness only goes one way in emphatic CAPITAL LETTERS, but God is the Judge.
The Pharisees and teachers in Yeshua's time lacked charity, empathy, kindness over pointing out faults in others and making religious pronouncements against, so their belief in God lacked the compassion of Yeshua, as I feel it does similarly with Christians online in their faultfinding.
The Pharisees were blind as they cared more about the fundamentals of doctrine and rules than the individual people they were teaching in such an exacting way. Such still exist today.
But within Christendom, not in the Temple in Jerusalem long since gone. Heartless judges.
If you don't agree with their interpretations or traditions they will castigate you as a heretic! 🙃
It is not the law of Moses, it is the law of God. Romans 3:31 is simple to understand. He asks do we void the law through faith? And his answer is no, we do not void, on the contrary we uphold the law. That is plain to understand.
Uphold means to confirm, maintain or support.
It's not that hard brothers and sisters.
Mark 10:19 ASV
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor thy father and mother.
I’m not boasting, I’m humbled for the work of the spirit and truth. I love my savior, and I obey his commands (words) the best I can, This is the same spirit that gave me the faith. Will I stumble? Yes, because this is a journey. I can’t give myself any credit for any of my own righteousness. It is Christ that dwells within to be set apart for his kingdom.
It's simple. We are not saved by the law, but once we are saved by faith we must keep the law, otherwise we are liers.
Great video, will be watching more. I thank God for content creators across all forms of media who carefully do their best to rightfully and contextually divide the word of truth. As a brother who is very big on clarity and wanting to portray and relay the messages we find in scripture correctly, I’m deeply encouraged and bolstered by these types of videos by brothers like yourself who do the word justice and don’t act like their knowledge and interpretation is the gold standard. I love how at the end you addressed how God wants us to lean into Him and not our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5-8) Appreciate the content! Plan on checking out more of it in my free time. God bless
Thank you for the kind words, Mateo! I'm glad you found us.
Blessings, Rob
Great stuff, Rob! I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Keep it up! 😎
Every day I watch one or more of your videos, and daily I am enlightened. You do such an excellent job of explaining the scriptures. I am eternally grateful. Please don't stop. Your students are very fortunate! I am no longer struggling with the HRM.
Another excellent teaching Rob, thanks for sharing this!
Nice job as always, love your references.
Thanks, Bill.
Love your channel dude! Shalom :)
Thank you, Luke!
Could v31 be referring to the law of faith just mentioned as being upheld or established?
Law of faith? Verse pls?
After watching around 30 of your videos. I can tell your right around the corner in realizing whenever we do any of Gods laws. We are either loving God or loving others:)
Indeed! "On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets" (Matt 22:40).
As Christians .. Is loving God permitted or required? and loving others? is loving others permitted or required?
@@ranchhand1655 Required for what?
@@TheBiblicalRoots Allow me to rephrase question. If my faith is in the finished work of Christ. Would Jesus require me to exercise that faith by loving Him and loving others?
@@ranchhand1655 Hello, Ranch Hand. Here's how I see it. Under the New Covenant, loving God and loving people are the two primary commands we are given by Jesus. And loving one another is how the world will know that we are His disciples (John 13:35). Paul says, "the one who loves another has fulfilled the law" (Rom 13:8). So, yes, as a matter of living out our obedience, Christians are required to love God and love people. And not just the people we like! Jesus even commanded us to love our enemies (Matt 5:44).
Shalom,
Rob
Grace and peace. This is very helpful. I deal with hebrew Israelites who are big on keeping the law to be saved
Likewise, as I was once one of those Hebrew Israelites who held to the same. I've come out of work-based salvation this year.
@@mackywackydeejew amen do you still identify as an ethnic Israelite?
@@connectingmindsthroughsucc7488 To a degree, as there's tidal-bits of history that seem to lineup with things, but not much that I could provide much evidence with.
So, not confidently. Lol
@@mackywackydeejew if you still identify as an ethnic Israel but gold to the Christian/Masonic core believesz all is well
Saved by grace through faith
Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV) states: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Exegesis of Ephesians 2:8-10
Verse 8: Salvation by Grace Through Faith
- "For by grace are ye saved through faith": Paul emphasizes that salvation is entirely by God's grace. Grace is unmerited favor from God, not something earned or deserved. Faith is the means by which we receive this grace.
- "And that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God": Salvation is a gift from God, underscoring that it is not something humans can achieve on their own. The entire process-grace, faith, and salvation-is a divine gift.
Verse 9: Not by Works
- "Not of works, lest any man should boast": Paul explicitly states that salvation is not a result of human works. This means no one can claim credit or boast about their own efforts in achieving salvation. It highlights the futility of attempting to earn salvation through human deeds (commandment keeping).
Verse 10: Created for Good Works
- "For we are his workmanship": Believers are described as God's workmanship, indicating that God has created and shaped them for a purpose.
- "Created in Christ Jesus unto good works": This purpose involves doing good works, which are a natural outcome of being in Christ. Good works does not earn salvation but are the result of a transformed life in Christ.
- "Which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them": God has designed these good works in advance for believers to do. This shows that good works are part of God's plan for those who are saved.
Relationship of Grace and Good Works
1. Grace as the Foundation:
- Grace is the starting point and foundation of the believer’s salvation. It is entirely God's initiative and action through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Without God's grace, salvation would be impossible.
2. Faith as the Means:
- Faith is how individuals receive God’s grace. It is trusting and believing in Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross. Faith itself is a gift from God, not a work that earns salvation.
3. Good Works as the Fruit:
- Good works are the evidence and result of a life transformed by grace. They are not the root of salvation but the fruit that naturally grows from a life in Christ. Good works flow out of gratitude for God’s grace and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit.
Conjunction with the Decalogue (Ten Commandments)
1. Moral Foundation:
- The Decalogue (Exodus 20:1-17) provides the moral foundation and principles for living a life that pleases God. While believers are not saved by keeping the Law, the moral truths of the Ten Commandments continue to guide ethical behavior.
2. Law and Grace:
- Under the New Covenant, the Law’s role changes from a means of seeking righteousness to a guide for living a life that reflects God's character. Grace enables believers to fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law (Romans 8:4, 3:31).
3. Internalization of the Law:
- Through the Holy Spirit, the moral principles of the Decalogue are written on believers’ hearts (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10). This internal transformation empowers believers to live out these commandments naturally (good works) as part of their new identity in Christ.
4. Good Works and the Decalogue:
- Good works align with the Decalogue’s principles: loving God and loving others. Jesus summarized the Law in these two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40). Good works reflect love for God (Commandments 1-4) and love for neighbors (Commandments 5-10).
Summary
Ephesians 2:8-10 clearly outlines that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works. However, it also emphasizes that believers are created in Christ Jesus for the purpose of doing good works, which God has prepared in advance. The Decalogue provides the moral framework that guides these good works. While the Law itself does not save, it remains relevant as a standard for holy living, empowered by grace and the Holy Spirit.
Thus, grace and good works are not opposing concepts but complementary. Grace is the root of salvation, and good works, living the principles of the Decalogue, are the fruit that naturally follows. The Decalogue, while not a means of salvation, continues to serve as a moral compass for believers living out their faith through the good works prepared by God.
Hello Rob
Thanks for taking a deeper dive into the Scripture in context I must say I’m impressed with your presentation
I agree, clear cut interpretations aren’t always as easy to come by when studying Paul’s comments on the law. Regardless acts 21:24 shows his leader and bishop (James) instruction to him regarding the law. Please note the last sentence
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.
Thanks, Kevin! It's interesting to read Acts 21:24 in light of the words Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23:
"For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings."
@@TheBiblicalRoots
that's a good one ever-shifting Paul
I have been struggling with the Hebrew roots teaching s of keeping kosher, keeping the feasts, etc , for quite awhile. I do like the teachings of Monte Judah...just not convinced I need to go that road all the way. Since I am not a bible scholar, many teachers make sense to me. I get that overshadowing dread of not doing the right thing. Since listening to the things you present, I am leaning toward not being so legalistic. But it is hard to make that u-turn.
@nancy12452 : "For this is the love of God, that we keep His (God's) Commandments. AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT BURDENSOME." 🤗
Christian denominational teaching undermining obeying God's law will make a Christian believe that they are legalistic, burdensome and unnecessary, but God says differently!
Be encouraged! He gives us strength daily. It is more confusing not to obey than to obey.
At the end of the day we only answer to God, not to man, or man-made slanted teachings.
You do not need to be a Jew, and circumcision and some other things do not apply to believing Gentiles, but otherwise Yeshua did not abolish the law. Paul said, we uphold it!
We are all fallible sinners and fail in many areas, but we have forgiveness in Yeshua.
But that does not mean we can dismiss the law ("Torah"/"teaching") of God outrightly.
You do not need to do a u-turn. Keep on the narrow path, not the broad one. Saints like Patrick of Ireland all kept the Sabbath, eschewed unclean animals and remembered the Lord's death on the Biblical date of Passover, Nisan 14th, upon which He was crucified.
Polycarp in 95 CE said in a letter to the Bishop of Rome, Anticetus, that he had shared Passover with the Apostle John and also Philip, which is proof of Apostolic Passover keeping. John founded Sabbath keeping churches across Asia Minor known as the Quartodeciman churches, or in Latin the churches that kept the "14th" (of Nisan).
This practice continued in the pre-Roman Celtic Church across Britain and Ireland even some 300 years after the Council of Nicea outlawed all Christians from keeping Passover.
At the Synod of Whitby in 664 this came to an end due to the convincing arguments of the Roman prelates swaying King Oswy of Northumbria, England, that the king must recognise the auhority of Peter as he held the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and thus Oswy capitulated thinking he would be disallowed at the pearly gates. The Irish missionaries represented the Celtic position appealing to the authority of John who established the Sabbath/Passover keeping churches of Asia Minor, but seeing as Peter was seen to be senior to John, the king accepted the Roman "Easter" named after the goddess Eostre and the British Church became Roman from that point, with so-called Protestants keeping the Roman feasts, such as the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), the fasts of "Lent" etc and other such ecclesiastical man-made inventions and traditions nowhere found in Scripture.
Many other saints, such as Polycrates who in c 93 sent a letter to Victor, Bishop of Rome over the same topic and Polycrates refused to give up Passover in order to do "Easter."
Now "Roman Protestants" will criticise and undermine believers who similarly keep the Sabbath and Passover and chide them for not keeping the Roman Christmas & Easter, even though the New Testament warns in Colossians 2:16 not to judge ANYONE for keeping the Biblical festivals ("MOADIM" or "Appointed times" such as Passover), for refusing unclean animals to eat and in drink, such as forbidding wine in un-Biblical teetotalism, for keeping the NEW MOONS, or the lunar months/"moonths" of the Biblical calendar Yeshua kept, and for keeping the Sabbath, which in the original text is in singular and not plural "sabbaths."
Christians break this Scripture verse all the time for agitating Christians who keep these.
There have been Sabbath keeping Christians all through history, but often pesecuted or underground, such as the Waldenses and Albigenses etc who grew out of Columbanus' missionizing of Europe with the practice of the Celtic Church for which he was imprisoned for opposing the Roman bishops in Europe, even writing to the Pope calling the Roman "Easter" heretical. He was no pushover, but a brave Irish saint who set sail from Bangor in the north of Ireland, which is my hometown, so I am inspired by his promotion of truth.
You should have no overshadowing dread, but be encouraged! God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. You are in the company of a convinced minority of believers who will endure to the end, eschewing traditions of men.
Shalom-peace 🌿🕊
Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV) states: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Exegesis of Ephesians 2:8-10
Verse 8: Salvation by Grace Through Faith
- "For by grace are ye saved through faith": Paul emphasizes that salvation is entirely by God's grace. Grace is unmerited favor from God, not something earned or deserved. Faith is the means by which we receive this grace.
- "And that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God": Salvation is a gift from God, underscoring that it is not something humans can achieve on their own. The entire process-grace, faith, and salvation-is a divine gift.
Verse 9: Not by Works
- "Not of works, lest any man should boast": Paul explicitly states that salvation is not a result of human works. This means no one can claim credit or boast about their own efforts in achieving salvation. It highlights the futility of attempting to earn salvation through human deeds (commandment keeping).
Verse 10: Created for Good Works
- "For we are his workmanship": Believers are described as God's workmanship, indicating that God has created and shaped them for a purpose.
- "Created in Christ Jesus unto good works": This purpose involves doing good works, which are a natural outcome of being in Christ. Good works does not earn salvation but are the result of a transformed life in Christ.
- "Which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them": God has designed these good works in advance for believers to do. This shows that good works are part of God's plan for those who are saved.
Relationship of Grace and Good Works
1. Grace as the Foundation:
- Grace is the starting point and foundation of the believer’s salvation. It is entirely God's initiative and action through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Without God's grace, salvation would be impossible.
2. Faith as the Means:
- Faith is how individuals receive God’s grace. It is trusting and believing in Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross. Faith itself is a gift from God, not a work that earns salvation.
3. Good Works as the Fruit:
- Good works are the evidence and result of a life transformed by grace. They are not the root of salvation but the fruit that naturally grows from a life in Christ. Good works flow out of gratitude for God’s grace and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit.
Conjunction with the Decalogue (Ten Commandments)
1. Moral Foundation:
- The Decalogue (Exodus 20:1-17) provides the moral foundation and principles for living a life that pleases God. While believers are not saved by keeping the Law, the moral truths of the Ten Commandments continue to guide ethical behavior.
2. Law and Grace:
- Under the New Covenant, the Law’s role changes from a means of seeking righteousness to a guide for living a life that reflects God's character. Grace enables believers to fulfill the righteous requirements of the Law (Romans 8:4, 3:31).
3. Internalization of the Law:
- Through the Holy Spirit, the moral principles of the Decalogue are written on believers’ hearts (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10). This internal transformation empowers believers to live out these commandments naturally (good works) as part of their new identity in Christ.
4. Good Works and the Decalogue:
- Good works align with the Decalogue’s principles: loving God and loving others. Jesus summarized the Law in these two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40). Good works reflect love for God (Commandments 1-4) and love for neighbors (Commandments 5-10).
Summary
Ephesians 2:8-10 clearly outlines that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works. However, it also emphasizes that believers are created in Christ Jesus for the purpose of doing good works, which God has prepared in advance. The Decalogue provides the moral framework that guides these good works. While the Law itself does not save, it remains relevant as a standard for holy living, empowered by grace and the Holy Spirit.
Thus, grace and good works are not opposing concepts but complementary. Grace is the root of salvation, and good works, living the principles of the Decalogue, are the fruit that naturally follows. The Decalogue, while not a means of salvation, continues to serve as a moral compass for believers living out their faith through the good works prepared by God.
Well said!
Yeah, it's tough when the Creator of the universe says "do not covet" or you will die. It was the case that if one deliberately broke a commandment, one was cut off, dead and buried, I suppose (Num 15 v30). No wonder Pauli was broken down, not to murder, not to steal are the commandments that can be prevented by ... well, not doing it. But to covet something comes from within and may be uncontrollable, the boundary between willful and unwilling sin becomes blurred here. Paulie had the insight to understand what the law taught him. True, the law taught him that he was not without sin no matter how hard he tried. He coveted something, I do not know what, and the condemnation came from the law. And of course we know what the solution to this problem was.
Excellent presentation....maybe what separates us is more semantics than substance. But, as usual, I have some questions and observations once I get caught up on chores...might be a day or two.
Shalom
As I see it we keep Torah by faith.
Faith isn't only what God can do for us but obeying God. Where would we be if Abraham, Noah and Moses didn't faithfully obey God. To me it's not whether or not to keep commandments but why we keep commandments. LAW vs Faith.
There is not a person from Adam and Eve onward who has not received salvation other than by faith alone. So, what was the role of the law? First of all, the law is the moral standard of the born-again person. It is the character of God. When Adam and Eve were created, they were made in the image of God, not only physically but also spiritually. The work of salvation involves the restoration of the original image in man as God intended in the first place.
The law points out sin and leads us to Christ, in the sense that when we try to obey the law in our strength, we fail miserably, and we feel the need for a Savior. When we accept Christ, He forgives us and gives us a new start. We are born again. Being born again means that we consider ourselves dead to the world, we don't listen to our sinful nature, and we live a life of total surrender to God.
The law is still the standard of righteousness, and now Christ implants in us a divine nature, whereby we love to live according to the law of God. We fulfill the law. If we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from our unrighteousness. Keeping the law is now a pleasure and is the working of Christ, through the Holy Spirit in our hearts. It is trusting Him to do this work in us that we could not do of ourselves; it is by faith alone.
Our part is to always look to Jesus, to build a relationship with Him, and to exercise faith in Him. It is not always easy, as the Holy Spirit reveals hidden sins in our lives, and we struggle to surrender those sinful habits to Jesus, but it is a pleasure now to obey the law in His strength, to not be under the condemnation of the law.
Therefore, I do not agree with the term "the law of Moses" as Moses received the law from God, so it is God's law, not his. Moreover, there is a distinction between the moral law (the ten commandments) and the ceremonial law. The moral law existed eternally, while the ceremonial law was put in place because of the transgression of the moral law.
@@vaio4908
Well said.
The text is very clear that those who have Faith in Yeshua keeps the law which Yeshua gave through Moses....
prof. Faith is not a license to disobey the Law.
you cannot know how you helped our family to understand the laws very well , god bless you so much , we love you from burundi in east africa , and there is common chapter they use to prove that people changed the law and times in Daniel chapter 5 verse 25 , and in those laws including sabbath , what does it mean ? please can you help us to make it clear?
There is a huge gap in knowledge concerning the sacrificial system. Also, there is a mixing up of the teachings of religion and scripture. The belief that the law saves or that sacrifices save is a religious belief and not a scriptural belief. Judiasim teaches salvation through works not scripture. Likewise Christianity teaches that the commands of God are not to be followed because they are Jewish. This is also a religious belief and not scriptural. Understand that for Jesus, the apostles, and even Paul, to teach anything against the teachings of the Old Testatment (the Law, Torah) would make them liars and heretics. Jesus would not for a second teach anything contrary to, what religion calls the law of Moses, because he would be disqualified as the messiah and would be considered a sinner and this is per scripture.
Thanks, SC! You said, "Judaism teaches salvation through works not scripture." That is not necessarily accurate. Many Jewish sages and teachers recognize that Israel was saved _before_ the Law was given, not as a result of keeping it. And that salvation comes through faith in Yahweh (Gen 15:6).
You also said, "Christianity teaches that the commands of God are not to be followed because they are Jewish." Respectfully, that sounds like a strawman argument to me. I have never heard any Christian teach that before. I don't doubt some fringe groups may take that anti-Semitic, unbiblical position. But it is certainly not a tenet of mainstream Christianity.
I agree with you that "Jesus would not for a second teach anything contrary to . . . the law of Moses because he would be disqualified as the messiah and would be considered a sinner." Jesus was the only Jew in history who ever kept the Law perfectly! That is how he was able to fulfill the Law.(Luke 24:44-48). And, further, nothing I teach in this video is contrary to the Law of Moses.
Shalom,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Sorry, just realized you responded directly, which is unusual and it didn't expect it. Thank you for the response. First, the point I was trying to make with the Judaism part was although many sages may have the understanding the fact is the main stream belief is salvation through works, which we know not to be the case. Most churches and believers today are regurgitating religious inaccuracies about their faith and scripture and they don't even realize it.
Secondly, the point regarding Christianity teaching some form of replacement theology is right on the mark and you made my point by you quoting Luke. The word fulfill does not mean done away with or completed never to be done again it means, just as you pointed out, that Jesus did them perfectly showing us how things must be done according to scripture and more importantly according to the will of the Father.
Thirdly, you stated you don't teach anything contrary to the law of Moses and that is a incorrect statement. When you say Christians are not to do certain things, such as obey the seventh day sabbath, or the feasts, or dietary laws, then you are teaching against the law or Torah or the front of the book or however you want to word it. Paul even tells us in 1 Cor 5:8, to keep the feast.
When we stop looking at scripture through the lens with a Greco/Roman mindset and look at it as though it applies based on the fact that we have been adopted in to all of the promises and covenants (which never end) then we will understand scripture the way the Father intended.
@@sensiblechristian9791 Thanks, SC! I get where you're coming from. But I am not teaching against the Law. I do not say it is bad or should be thrown away, and I am not encouraging people to break it. Rather I am taking the biblical position that the Law as given to Israel through Moses is not binding on Christ-followers today. Especially not Gentile believers who were never under the Law in the first place. The Law of Moses is still part of Holy Scripture and useful in terms of revealing our sin to us. But we are not under its legal regulations. There is a difference between teaching someone to break the law, and teaching someone that the law they thought was binding on them is actually not. The Law of Moses was just one perfect, holy, but temporary expression of God's unchanging principles. Here is a video explaining what I mean by that. *The unchanging law of God:* ruclips.net/video/YqpcV0AGPPM/видео.html
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots so does God hold one standard for Jewish believers and one standard for Gentiles? That doesn't sound biblical.
You often say "permitted but not required"... That sounds like "do as though wilt shall be the whole of the law" to me.
Many people say these phrases and don't even understand that the influences of such statements are extremely dark in nature...
After all that he concluded that the verse could be taken many ways lol 😂
When reading Romans, we need to understand the whole narrative. Chapter's 1-8 is a whole narrative that can't be skipped over to take something out of the text. You need the whole context of the narrative.
Feom sin, to law to Christ to the work of the spirit in the new life.
They use texts like this as law keeping proof text. They use 7:7, blatantly ignoring 7:4-6. How is that even possible?
The same with John 14:15 and 15:10. Claiming Jesus is telling us to keep what was commanded at Sinai.
Again, completely ignoring 15:12.
Many more eisegesis they use and miss what the passage actually says.
I would really be interested in a teaching on tithing. Commanded for christians today? Stealing from God if you don't do 10 percent before taxes?
Hey, Scott! That would be an interesting topic!
Shalom,
Rob
Brilliant preaching
This is Actually needed
For our faith to be understood.
Hey Solberg can you make sense of this statement? It's from some I know in the HRM. "Jesus died for grace, grace from our sins, past present and future. Sin is known as 'missing the mark', and the laws and books of Moses, the Torah, are generally considered to be 'the mark'. It was said that those things would never ever change until heaven and Earth were gone, so that's the mark I think everyone should be aiming for.If you aren't aiming for the mark, keeping the words of God, then how do you sin? Why do you need grace if there are no laws to break?"
How do you keep the laws, when Christianity does not follow the first Commandment, “I am the Lord your God, whom took you from the iron crucible, the land of Egypt.(paraphrased)
PART 1
I was going to do a verse-by-verse analysis of most of Romans 3, but figured I would lose a lot of readers due to the shear length required. [I can still go there if you want.] Instead, I would like to point out “discrepancies” with the normative understanding of Romans 2 and 3. In Romans 2, Paul states:
13 For not the hearers of the LAW are JUST before God, but the “doers of the law shall be JUSTIFIED.” (Rom 2:13)
…JUSTIFIED BY KEEPING THE LAW…
But then, he seemingly turns around in chapter 3 and states:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without the DEEDS OF THE LAW. (Rom 3:28)
…JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW…
So, which is it??? Is Paul a hypocrite?...or is he a liar?...or is he schizophrenic?...or maybe this is some sort of straw-man argument?...or perhaps he’s just working through the issue and coming to a new and shocking conclusion???
But then, we have this conclusion:
31 Do we then make void the LAW through FAITH? God forbid: yea, we ESTABLISH the LAW. (Rom 3:31)
G2476 - histemi: To stand; abide, appoint, bring, continue, COVENANT, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up).
…Do we abolish the Law by MENTAL ASSENT? No, we COVENANT the Law. (Rom 3:31, REWRITE)…
So, verse 28 stands out as different. What is different about verse 28 with respect to 2:13 and 3:31?
Is FAITH an issue here? Well, no, because in verse 3:31Paul sure seems to be saying that we ESTABLISH or COVENANT the LAW BECAUSE of our FAITH.
So, again, what stands out as different in verse 28 with respect to 2:13 and 3:31?
How about LAW versus DEEDS OF THE LAW? Aha…but a little back story is required here:
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Rom 3:19)
Israel was given the law as a witness to the nations of the righteousness of God (Rom 3:1,2 / Dt 4:5-8). That they couldn’t keep the law is evidence to all the world that NO ONE can attain to the righteousness He requires…so, all are guilty. (This in order to drive people to the righteousness offered by the atonement of Yeshua.)
How did Israel go astray? One of the ways was by substituting THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS for THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD…and this started well before Messiah Yeshua’s time, so we can’t point to Yeshua as the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD…YET. This “dichotomy of expression” is seen throughout the NT as evidenced by DEEDS / WORKS OF THE LAW versus LAW.
[You need to ask yourself, “Why would Paul go to all the trouble to write out DEEDS OF THE LAW if just LAW would suffice?” Answer: He’s CONTRASTING TWO DIFFERENT PATHS that lead to different destinations and the actual verbiage is an artifact of the translation from Hebrew / Aramaic to Greek.]
Prior to the NT, what was the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD? Obviously, it was keeping His Commandments:
25 And it shall be OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, if we observe to DO ALL THESE COMMANDMENTS before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us. (Dt 6:25)
So, what does OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS mean?
1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the STATUTES and unto the JUDGMENTS, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2 Ye shall NOT ADD UNTO the word which I command you, NEITHER shall ye DIMINISH OUGHT from it, that ye may KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of the LORD your God which I command you. (Dt 4:1,2)
…and…
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt NOT ADD thereto, NOR DIMINISH from it. (Dt 12:32)
I believe that Yeshua identifies this exact matter to be the way in which Israel substituted THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS for the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples TRANSGRESS the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also TRANSGRESS the COMMANDMENT OF GOD by your TRADITION? (Mt 15:1-3)
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But IN “VAIN” THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. (Mt 15:7-9)
Thus Israel had gone astray by “ADDING TO” God’s Word, the Torah. To do this, those in authority (the PRIESTHOOD…primarily the Pharisees and scribes) had to present themselves as spokesmen for God. This they did by claiming that an Oral Torah (Oral Law) was also given by God to Moses at Mt Sinai to help people understand how to carry out the Torah, and this oral tradition had been handed down from generation to generation to their time and even to the present day (Rabbinic Judaism). This departure from GOD’S RIGHTEOUSNESS took root before Messiah Yeshua’s time and grew in influence becoming entrenched with the compilation of the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmuds. Note the following quotes:
"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaptation of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered" (Rabbi Dr. Finkelstein, The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, p. xxi).
"The Talmud is the written form of that which in the time of Jesus, was called the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS, and to which He makes frequent allusions." (Michael L. Rodkinson, The History of the Talmud: From the Time of its Formation About 200 B. C. up to the Present Time, Kessinger Publishing, LLC (June 8, 2006), ISBN-13: 978-1428631366, p.70).
END PART 1
Correct, Israel substituted GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, and I like the way you followed your statement, so we can’t point to Yeshua as the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.
Remember this that Yeshua was God's righteousness and his walk proved it, even when he was judged they could not accuse him of unrighteousness. In other words, the obedience to the law allow us to be righteous before man at the same time allow us to walk a righteous walk before God, nothing to do with making us God's righteousness, Yeshua made us God's righteousness on the cross.
I also want to make something briefly so one can easily and clearly understand how the law stored and written within works... God's law was in David's heart, God used Nathan to convict David of the sin he committed, in the same manner, the law being stored and written within, the Spirit of God convicts us of the sin we commit through the law to bring us to Yeshua who is the end of the law for righteousness, and now we can come before God asking for forgiveness of the sin we committed.
By the way, don't even worry about losing your reading, just put it on the table. There are some who will read it and the Spirit of God will make it clear to them what God has made clear when he first spoke.
Read Psalms 89:34 which Rob can truly respond to, not to mention the statement he use recently made not only was he distorted the word of God, but it is a diabolical view statement to distort the truth of God's word.
I have nothing against Rob, I believe he is a good person and I believe he is a brother in Yeshua, and though I put everything on the table with the hope that the Spirit of God convicts and convinces, the statement he made that I had to bring out and call it what it is.
I agree, Henry. The RUclips comments section is not really conducive to 1,000-word commentaries like this one, as insightful or accurate as they may be.
Shalom,
Rob
This is brilliant, thank you
…Do we abolish the Law by MENTAL ASSENT? No, we COVENANT the Law. (Rom 3:31, REWRITE)…
// Actually, you are right about the latter part of this verse, since I study the semitic text of the NT, and it should be written as ... no, we establish the Torah in divine covenant" The next question is, which Torah in the 5 books of Moses (the Chumash); as there was more than one. Do we follow the Torah of the 10 Commandments and its terms, the Wilderness journey of 40 years, or the Torah that was given in Moab before Israel crossed over in the Land?
@@HAChrist
My opinion is that the 10 Commandments are a summary (Reader's Digest version) of the 613 and the two are the executive summary of the 10, and thus, the whole megillah. Looks like your response was truncated?
Shalom
Deut 13!
PART 2
I believe the NT was originally written in Hebrew / Aramaic….then translated into Greek. Check your concordance and you will quickly see that there is only ONE WORD for LAW in the Greek NT ...NOMOS. [Yes, there are compound words that take the root of nomos and I think there are maybe one or two occurrences of athesmos which means the same thing as anomia.] However, there are approximately a dozen words in Hebrew for LAW. About half refer to authentic Torah Law and about half refer to Oral Law, the corruption of the Torah.
So, if you as a gentile are translating Paul’s H/A text and you run across ma'asim, takanot, mitzvoth, chuqqim, etc., how do you distinguish, in Greek, those that are Torah Law vs those that are Oral Law?...you add some sort of qualifier language like, "deeds” of the Law or "works” of the Law to distinguish Oral Law from Torah Law where context doesn't already convey the proper idea.
BTW, Qumran, 4QMMT fragment seems to bear this out where the phrase MIQSAT MA’ASEH HATORAH, is translated “some work of the law”. The ma’asim are the Commandments of the Rabbis that regulate how a precedent in Mishnah / Talmud is to be applied.
Thus, Rom 3:28 should more accurately read:
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is JUSTIFIED by FAITH without ORAL LAW. (Rom 3:28, REWRITE)
How does FAITH lead to Torah pursuance? According to Scripture about the New Covenant, we read:
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, and with the HOUSE OF JUDAH:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my LAW (Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Jer 31:31-33)
When we have FAITH in Messiah Yeshua with all that entails, God writes His Law on our hearts so we have a desire to pursue it.
This whole concept is found condensed in Rom 3:20:
20 Therefore by the DEEDS OF THE LAW [Oral Law] there shall no flesh be JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the LAW [Torah] is the knowledge of sin. (Rom 3:20)
Interestingly, in Hebrew, the term JUST carries with it the understanding of LAWFUL, which is omitted in the Greek.
G1344 dikaioo, dik-ah-yo-o; to render (i.e., show or regard as) JUST or innocent; free, JUSTIFY, be righteous.
H6662 tsaddiyq, tsad-deek; JUST:--JUST, LAWFUL, righteous (man).
Also notice that while Israel (Rabbinic Judaism) is guilty of ADDING TO Torah Law yielding Oral Law, most Christians are guilty of DIMINISHING FROM Torah Law. Thus, all are guilty.
Paul’s negative comments about “law” are almost always referring to Oral Law and NOT Torah Law. Exceptions are generally speaking about everyone’s failure to keep God’s Commandments…SIN (1 John 3:4)…and thus, the need for Yeshua’s atoning sacrifice.
Just because Messiah Yeshua has paid the penalty for our transgression of the Law doesn’t mean the Law has been abrogated. It simply changes the meaning of our observances…like Passover observed as the Lord’s Supper / Communion.
At 7:15, you state that OT salvation was by faith and we agree…but notice how Abraham, the “father of faith” expressed his faith:
5 Because that Abraham OBEYED MY VOICE (the only case for an Oral Law), and KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES, and MY LAWS. (Gen 26:5)
Interesting that this is the first mention of the terms CHARGE, COMMANDMENTS, STATUTES, and LAWS…and they’re not encountered again until Mt Sinai. So, Abraham was exhibiting his FAITH by being FAITHFUL. And it appears that he was keeping Torah as communicated orally by God.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Rom 8:3,4)
We agree. The Spirit will not lead a believer to violate the Law since the Law is summarized as 1) Loving the Lord with all our heart, soul, and mind, and 2) Loving our neighbor as ourselves.
Shalom
As you stated, which I previously mentions, with Genesis 26:5 insinuates that the law was verbally given to Abraham, and one can safely add that because Israel have forgotten God's law God had to wrtte them on tablets of stones.
What made the covenant new is that God made it with the two houses and to store and write them within, unlike their father where he put them on tablets of stones. I am glad you also brought up Romans 8:3 & 4, which I also brought up, and rob did not respond to. Not to mention, he failed and respond to verse 7 where where it says, "the carnal mind is enmity against God" for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be". This verse clearly shows the important of one observing the law of God which has nothing to do with making one God's righteousness, but all to do with allowing one to be obedient to the law of God to walk a righteous walk. The carnal mind will not subject themselves to the law of God, neither they can't.
Obedience to the law of God will allow one to walk a righteous walk before God and will show that one is made God's righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law. How can one show that they are made God righteousness without proving it with a righteous walk? We are made God's righteousness in Yeshua who is God's righteousness, and when one is made God's righteousness obedience to God's laws is produces, not the the law makes one God's righteousness, if it did then Christ death would have been in vain.
Remember that this is not Moses laws, it is God's laws and if so, why do they continue to say Moses laws? Because they want to refuse to be obedience to the law of God, they have blinded themselves from the truth of God's word by convincing themselves that anyone that observes the law they are working for salvation. The Epistle to the Galatians, the Apostle Paul was correcting the distorted view they were teaching and putting the law in its right perspective with removal the observing of the law.
I understand that Yeshua fulfilled many of the laws that were spoken of him and that is what he did, and being the end of the law for righteousness did not mean that the law was done away with, it just means that what the law could not do, which was to make one God's righteousness), Christ was the end of the law to make one God's righteousness.
You mention the Dead Sea Scrolls they refute Abraham having observed the Sabbath……Jubilees 2 31
And sorry it’s not the oral law it is THE LAW.
15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The Talmud wasn’t written at this time seriously learn history instead of conspiracy
The Rabbinical Jews believe in the Messiah bringing in a renewed covenant so your ideology of a renewed covenant is actually comes from the rabbis
Who are you responding to because I mentioned nothing on the Dead Sea Scrolls, but if it's me you're responding to then what is your question?
@@sundownsam3369 not you, but as long as you want a question answer this yes or no. Between the resolution of the Acts 15 council and the destruction of the temple, were the gentiles expected to keep the Passover as it is found in the Law (don’t forget the temple is still functioning the priesthood and the sacrifices are still going on, and please answer with based on the historical context I have layed out and not try to make it about today)?
@@JGez83
“You mention the Dead Sea Scrolls they refute Abraham having observed the Sabbath……Jubilees 2 31”
The DSS include letters written between those in authority in Jerusalem and the community at Qumran. They frequently broach subjects that were in dispute. I only included the 4QMMT fragment for its translation of miqsat ma’aseh hatorah. BTW, you need to support your DSS comment about Abraham with a reference…I stand by my understanding of Gen 26:5.
I prefer to stay within the confines of canonized Scripture. Jubilees may indeed embody elements of truth, but was not accepted in the canon for a reason.
“And sorry it’s not the oral law it is THE LAW. 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
Ephesians 2:
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the SAINTS, and of the household of God; (Eph 2:19)
Who is a SAINT?
12 Here is the patience of the SAINTS: here are THEY that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD (Torah), and the FAITH OF Jesus. (Rev14:12)
(In Rev 14:12, then, can be found the NT definition of an Israelite of which, I contend, gentile believers are a part.)
Both gentile and Jewish believers in Messiah Yeshua now have the same Spirit which writes the same (God’s) Commandments on our hearts according to the Renewed Covenant creating one national entity, ISRAEL. Also, if gentiles are FELLOWCITIZENS with the SAINTS and the SAINTS are those WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD (Torah) and the FAITH OF JESUS, then the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES that separated Jew and gentile….
15 Having ABOLISHED in his flesh THE ENMITY, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain ONE NEW MAN, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
(Eph 2:15,16)
…cannot be the Torah, but rather, the Oral Law…those “measures”… meant to separate between Jew and gentile:
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an UNLAWFUL THING (ORAL LAW) FOR A MAN THAT IS A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY, OR COME UNTO ONE OF ANOTHER NATION; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. (Acts 10:28)
“The Talmud wasn’t written at this time seriously learn history instead of conspiracy”
MEA CULPA! You are absolutely correct. The Talmuds were WRITTEN much later, but they were compiled from oral traditions accumulated from centuries before. So again, I stand by my statement that WORKS / DEEDS OF THE LAW refers to ORAL LAW.
“The Rabbinical Jews believe in the Messiah bringing in a renewed covenant so your ideology of a renewed covenant is actually comes from the rabbis”
Hmmm…perhaps not everything that comes from Judaism is in error? This entails a study of the “New” Covenant and the Gospel…if you wish?
Shalom
Historically chapters and verses did not exist, so it makes sense to read it all as one piece and the end of chapter 3 bleeds immediately into chapter 4 - the example of Abraham, therefore upholding/establishing/confirming what was said in Genesis which in itself is considered part of the Torah/law. We are considered the seed of Abraham by faith - just as he was considered righteous, so are we in Messiah. So the law will always be valid in pointing us to Christ through its many examples and prophecies,
6 And the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you annoyed, and why has your countenance fallen?
7 Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it."
No Love No Peace..... Love must abide against Hatred...
Righteousness Of Christ we need Second Adam
Third Heaven Prophet I am
I am Hebrews according to the Law of Christ "That Seed" the Law of Christ is Love.
Stop omitted Love
Apostle Paul talk about Love ❤️....
It seem that Paul had a bit difficulty in proclaiming what he was saying. Jesus forgives all sins.
There is a contradiction in the old testament. Somewhere in the bible, it says the blood of bulls, goats, or some other animal could never take away sins. Then the bible says - without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. So then the sacrifice of those animals on the OT did atone for the sins of the people, for all that accepted it.
Marcion of Sinope (ca. 110-160 C.E.) was a Christian theologian who was excommunicated by the early church at Rome as a heretic; Nevertheless, his teachings were influential during the second century, and a few centuries after, thus forming a counter-point to emerging orthodoxy. Marcion played a significant role in the development of textual Christianity by forcing the various churches to debate the nature of the biblical canon and to delineate its contents. His own canon included ten Pauline Epistles, and a modified Gospel of Luke. According to Marcion, Saint Paul was the only apostle who had rightly understood the new message of salvation as delivered by Christ.[1] Marcion is sometimes referred to as a gnostic but this charge is incorrect since his teachings were quite different from Gnosticism.
righteousness is not a gift but a product of righteous choice to do that which is righteous
Between Paul the antilaws and God Yehovah the lawgiver, who do you follow?
Hello, Gideon! "For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the *_free gift of righteousness_* reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ." (Rom. 5:17)
Blessings, RLS
Why are yu against Paul if he was chosen by Christ to be an apostle to deny the messengers are to deny the Lord from which the message is from
Jesus was the perfect example as to how we are to walk. Jesus kept the Torah.. He did not eat unclean animals, he kept Sabbath, Yah is unchanging.. When the spirit comes the law is written on your heart. We aren't condemned by it any longer, we are given the helper and he guides us to all things in truth. He is guiding me to see that If I love Yeshua, if I love YHWH then I do as He said.. Not less, not more. Not to the right, not to the left. I just simply do as He says. He is unchanging, the same yesterday, today, and forever. I couldn't have kept the law on my own, I can't.. I need help, I need guidance and this is why he sent me the helper. I love Yeshua, I love others so I look to Him and I become Holy as He is holy. I am under grace covenant though, so there is room for error.. I mess up, I repent and he helps me up again aligning me back on the narrow path.. There is no grace for the lawless. They will burn just as He said, unless they turn from their wicked ways and seek Him and His righteousness.
Thanks, Brittany. YHWH is unchanging, amen!
So here's a question: are you Jewish? Jesus had to keep the Torah and the Mosaic commandments because He was Jewish. His role as our savior was to do what Israel had never been able to do: keep the Law perfectly. That's what's qualified Him as a sinless offering to God and a representative of Israel. And as He completed that mission Jesus told His followers that the Gentiles were now to be included in God's People (Matt 28:16-20; Acts 1:8, See also: Acts 10; Rom 1; Gal 3:28-29, Eph 2). Gentiles have never been required to keep the Mosaic commandments, not before Christ, and not after.
I provide even more detail in my video *How do we walk like Jesus walked?* ruclips.net/video/JmRwtkRtcN4/видео.html
Blessings,
Rob
Rob, Yeshua did not keep the law because he was Jewish, he kept the law that God gave a chosen people because he knew it was God's law, just like the Jewish people knew that it was God’s law, though they called it the law of Moses, John 15: 10 confirms it.
I understand that he was brought forth for a people that God chose, born under the Jewish custom, and being that he was made in the likeness of men he came as a Jew to fulfill that which was spoken of him among the Jewish nation. Hope you understand what is being said and I am not denying that he was not Jewish, just for you to see that he kept the law not because he was a Jew, but because it was God's law.
Even though the law of the LORD is perfect converting the soul, they were not given to make one perfect, if perfection came through the law then Yeshua's did not have to offer himself. The law was given to walk a righteous walk before God through obedience and one can safely add until the coming of the Messiah (Yeshua) who was the end of the law for righteousness, which makes it clear that the law was not about making man God’s righteousness, one is made God’s righteousness in Yeshua.
Question, where in the Scriptures does it say that the law of God was given to make one perfect? If God gave them so one can be perfect then it would be possible to be perfect and if so, then there would have been no need for Yeshua to die on the cross.
With all do respect, you are so stuck in removing the law of God that you are literally blinding yourself from the truth of God's word, and though this is not an opinion, I do believe you are a brother in Yeshua.
@@sundownsam3369 Hi, Sam! Just to set the record straight, I have no interest in "removing the Law of God." Christians are under the Law of God today. But-and this is going to be a nuanced statement so please read it carefully-the Law of God as expressed to us through Christ is *not* the same thing as the Law of Moses, which God expressed to ancient Israel. The *Law of God* does not change. But the way YHWH expresses it to His people does. Not because YHWH has changed, but because His people have. And it is also because of the work of Christ that some things have changed.
The Law of God is still in effect, but it is fulfilled differently under the New Covenant than it was under the Mosaic covenant. Under Moses, we atoned for sin through the blood of animals at the temple. Under Jesus, our sin has been atoned for "once for all" (Heb 10:10) through the eternal sacrifice of Christ. How do we fulfill the Law of God today under the New Covenant? By loving God and loving our neighbor.
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart ...You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Matt 22:37-40)
"For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son ...he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the *righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us,* who walk ...according to the Spirit." (Rom 8:3-4)
"for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law...Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Rom 13:8, 10)
"For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal 5:14)
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." (Gal 6:2)
"If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (James 2:8)
Rob, I apologize for the length, but you made me write and I did read carefully what you wrote.
You stated the following… “The Law of God as expressed to us through Christ is not the same thing as the Law of Moses, which God expressed to ancient Israel. The Law of God does not change. But the way YHWH expresses it to His people does.”
My response… I understand what you are stating but that would be an opinion you are giving. Put aside all the Epistles, which were mostly letters of instructions and correction, and then read Jeremiah 31:31 -34 and tell me, can you apply what you just stated to it (remember that Yeshua had not yet been born)?
In deeply construing Jeremiah 31, what it is saying that the law will no more be merely external (on tablets of stones), but the law that were on tablets of stones will one day be stored and written within, sin will be dealt with more radically and effectively.
Another thing, the law of Moses is the law of God, and since there is no New Testament yet then it has to be explained withing the context of that passage, which it does, the new covenant I will make with both houses is unlike the covenant I made with your fathers, with them I put them on tablets of stones, with the two houses I will store and write them within, what is what made it new, and remember that there is no New Testament yet and Yeshua is had not yet been born.
So, when God gave the commandment it was not in a form of an expression and Scriptures does not even hints that. You are given an opinion based on the New Testament. In addition, if you believe that the Old Testament is obsolete because there is a New Testament, does that mean that the Old Testament is obsolete? There should be no difference if that is how you view old and new, same principle applies, which would mean you would have to trash the entire bible cause the New reveals what was concealed in the Old.
God never changes, and never will change in the way he deals with sin, which you would agree.
The teacher of the law approach Yeshua and said, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? Yeshua asked him two question one which referred him to the law… what is written in the law? And, who readest thou? He responded with the two laws you states; he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbors as thyself, and Yeshua responded, thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. The teacher of the law understood that the decalogue hanged on two laws and if you read Exodus 20 you can see this truth. As Romans 8 says, if we walk after the Spirit the Spirit of God will fulfill the righteousness of the law, which is why I do not go around imposing the law making it appear as if it is part of salvation. I put the scriptural teaching on the table, it is the Spirit of God that will enlighten one’s understanding of the truth of God’s word, what God made clear when he first spoke. As one seeks the kingdom of God and his righteousness the Spirit of God will fulfill the law. Remember that the law does not make one God’s righteousness, and that the law has nothing to do with salvation, but obedience to the law makes one statement that because we are made God’s righteousness in Yeshua apart from the law, and produces an obedience the God’s law, the law he stored within. There are other laws that we need to be obedience to, but the laws of sacrifices for covering of sins Yeshua fulfilled them once and for all because it was given as a shadow of someone that would come to fulfill. Yeshua did not come to remove what God has establish, he came to fulfill what was spoken of him and to speak what he hears for his Father. By the way, weren’t those two commandments mentioned in the Old Testament? So, why did Yeshua say new? I can safely state that many could not see it the way that teacher of law understood it, but Yeshua new it all along with is why he said thou readest right. Now you should under what is meant when it says the commandments hangs on two laws. If love fulfills the commandment then the commandment had to be present.
Rob, I have no doubt that you are a brother in Christ and I know you are knowledgeable in the Scriptures, but when it comes to the law is not a matter of trying to interpret it, but to make clear what God made clear when he first spoke. In the beginning of this post I told you let set aside the New Testament and the birth of Christ, hoping that God can reveal to you how clear he is in Jeremiah 31.
Shalom
Sam
Your need to correct this sentence you posted... "I am under grace covenant though, so there is room for error". Just think about what you are insinuating in your view.
I love your teaching but I'm so confused about if we keep the law as Yeshua taught the Torah I know he saved gentiles, what about this shomo yuda , is he a false ,As the time the Messiah has been as it had to come before the 2nd temple, and now the Jews have brought 5 red heather's so if the temple is made will sacrifice come to us because it wasn't the laws that saved Israelites it was the serpent as those who looked upon the cross of moses and Yeshua said that as moses lifted the serpent so the son of Man must be Lifted and in 1 coroth 15 say if you believe that Yeshua died for our sins and was raised by the Father
Have you seen this one, Paul, about walking as Jesus walked? How do we walk like Jesus Walked? By keeping the Torah?
ruclips.net/video/J9vB04AoF7w/видео.html
There is not a person from Adam and Eve onward who has not received salvation other than by faith alone. So, what was the role of the law? First of all, the law is the moral standard of the born-again person. It is the character of God. When Adam and Eve were created, they were made in the image of God, not only physically but also spiritually. The work of salvation involves the restoration of the original image in man as God intended in the first place.
The law points out sin and leads us to Christ, in the sense that when we try to obey the law in our strength, we fail miserably, and we feel the need for a Savior. When we accept Christ, He forgives us and gives us a new start. We are born again. Being born again means that we consider ourselves dead to the world, we don't listen to our sinful nature, and we live a life of total surrender to God.
The law is still the standard of righteousness, and now Christ implants in us a divine nature, whereby we love to live according to the law of God. We fulfill the law. If we sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from our unrighteousness. Keeping the law is now a pleasure and is the working of Christ, through the Holy Spirit in our hearts. It is trusting Him to do this work in us that we could not do of ourselves; it is by faith alone.
Our part is to always look to Jesus, to build a relationship with Him, and to exercise faith in Him. It is not always easy, as the Holy Spirit reveals hidden sins in our lives, and we struggle to surrender those sinful habits to Jesus, but it is a pleasure now to obey the law in His strength, to not be under the condemnation of the law.
Therefore, I do not agree with the term "the law of Moses" as Moses received the law from God, so it is God's law, not his. Moreover, there is a distinction between the moral law (the ten commandments) and the ceremonial law. The moral law existed eternally, while the ceremonial law was put in place because of the transgression of the moral law.
Just get the imidiate context of the Romans 3:31. If you wrestle the Word, you can make it say what you want it to express and not what it really mean.
What is the law of Moses?
Hi King Perry. The Law of Moses refers to the commands (mitzvot) that God gave to Israel at Mount Sinai. Moses was the mediator, which is why it's called the Law of Moses.
Shalom,
Rob
So is it the law of Moses or the law of God? Moses being the mediator doesn’t make it his? But what does the scripture say?
@@TheBiblicalRoots Rob if you can give me any scripture that say that the Ten Commandments is the law of Moses I will understand why it is called so
@@kingPerry34
We know that God gave the law, but it is not wrong to say that Moses gave the law. Jesus says here in the verse himself that Moses gave the law and here reference is made to "thou shalt not kill", which is included in the ten. John 7:19 "Has not Moses given you the Law, and none of you keeps the Law? Why do you seek to kill me?" With that said, I want to say that one can also say the ten are the law of Moses, given by God of course.
@@mrp3418 God gave Moses law to give the law to the people but the law doesn’t belongs to Moses.
Jesus said Moses gave the law but he didn’t say the law belongs to Moses, in John 15 Jesus say the commandments belongs to his father, do not misunderstand the Bible
Oh, man! You lost me when you quoted NT Wright.
That truth is the truth no matter who speaks it! ;-)
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Not trying to be a troublemaker brother. Just wondering if you agree with NT Wright’s new perspective on Paul?
@@TheBiblicalRoots
I agree with that, brother. I would just be careful of NT Wright. Do you agree with his “New Perspective on Paul?”
You confuse the whole thing there's only one way to interpret the verse UPHOLD THE LAW OF GOD
Romans 3:31, "Do we then nullify (can also mean "do away with", "abolish" "put an end to" or "cause to cease") the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish (can also mean "uphold the authority of", "sustain" or "cause to stand") the Law".
I think it's clear. Just because we are made righteous by having faith, it doesn't mean we should not follow the Law of Moses.
God told Cain from the beginning…….improve yourself, and you will be forgiven, if you do not improve, sin rests at your door, yet you can overcome it. Genesis 4.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sins shall die.
What in Life doesn’t take work or toil, why will Christians not do the same with Torah as they would do everything else.
Satan nullified gods law with eve . The pharisees nullified God's law with s the tamud. And today there are those that nullify God law. I see a pattern
John 5 3
For this is the love of God if we keep his commandments.paul is not telling the jews in romans rhe law that was a everlasting covenant for all generations .and now its not everlasting and not for their generations . God forbid shalom
Boom ☝️
Boom?
God's Commandment John refers to in the letter is the commandment to believe in the Son and love one another, love his brother, the commandment that Jesus gave. And further, we remain in Jesus by keeping Jesus' commandments.
@@mrp3418 So you are saying you think the Son came teaching something different than the Father? They have two different doctrines?
John 7:16
So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. 17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. 18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood. 19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law.
@@mrp3418 where do i find the list of jesus commanments . How are they different than the Fathers
@@krissysedlak7490
Do you people need a list? Read the Gospels, there you have all the words Jesus says, he himself says "my commandments". We abide in him by keeping his commandments "love one another" plus others he takes up (his words), just as he kept the Father's commandments (the law) ... hm His commandments and the Father's commandments, what does this suggest? Well, that suggests that Jesus has his own commandments. In addition, we will listen to "all things" that he made known to us that were very much from the Father, I have never said anything else.
John 15 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you and your joy may be full . This is My commandment, that you love one another as I loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one should lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends, if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because all things that I heard from My Father, I have made known to you. " Peace
Marcionism is the belief system that originated from the teachings of Marcion around the year 144.[4] Marcion affirmed Jesus Christ as the savior sent by God and Paul as his chief apostle. He declared that Christianity was distinct from, and in opposition to, Judaism. He rejected the entire Hebrew Bible, and declared that the God of the Hebrew Bible was a lesser demiurge, who had created the earth, and whose law, the Mosaic covenant, represented bare natural justice (i.e. "An eye for an eye").
The premise of Marcionism is that many of the teachings of Christ are incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament. Tertullian claimed Marcion was the first to separate the New Testament from the Old Testament.[5] Focusing on the Pauline traditions of the Gospel, Marcion felt that all other conceptions of the Gospel were opposed to the truth. He regarded Paul's arguments of law and gospel, wrath and grace, works and faith, flesh and spirit, sin and righteousness and death and life as the essence of religious truth. He ascribed these aspects and characteristics as two principles: the righteous and wrathful God of the Old Testament, the creator of the world, and a second God of the Gospel who is purely love and mercy and who was revealed by Jesus.[6]
His canon consisted of 11 books: his own version of the Gospel of Luke, and ten of Paul's epistles. All other epistles and gospels of the New Testament were rejected.[7]
Marcion declared that Christianity was distinct from and in opposition to Judaism. He rejected the entire Hebrew Bible, and declared that the God of the Hebrew Bible was a lesser demiurge, who had created the earth, but was (de facto) the source of evil.
Marcion is said to have gathered scriptures from Jewish tradition, and juxtaposed these against the sayings and teachings of Jesus in a work entitled the Antithesis.[8] Besides the Antithesis, the Testament of the Marcionites was also composed of a Gospel of Christ which was Marcion's version of Luke, and that the Marcionites attributed to Paul, that was different in a number of ways from the version that is now regarded as canonical.[9] It seems to have lacked all prophecies of Christ's coming, as well as the Infancy account, the baptism, and the verses were more terse in general. It also included ten of the Pauline Epistles (but not the Pastoral Epistles or the Epistle to the Hebrews, and, according to the Muratonian canon, included a Marcionite Paul's Epistle to the Alexandrians and an Epistle to the Laodiceans)[10] In bringing together these texts, Marcion redacted what is perhaps the first New Testament canon on record, which he called the Gospel and the Apostolikon, which reflects his belief the writings reflect the apostle Paul and Jesus.
Marcionites hold maltheistic views of the god of the Hebrew Bible (known to some Gnostics as Yaltabaoth), that he was inconsistent, jealous, wrathful and genocidal, and that the material world he created is defective, a place of suffering; the god who made such a world is a bungling or malicious demiurge. In Marcionite belief, Christ is not a Jewish Messiah, but a spiritual entity that was sent by the Monad to reveal the truth about existence, and thus allowing humanity to escape the earthly trap of the demiurge. Marcion called God, the Stranger God, or the Alien God, in some translations, as this deity had not had any previous interactions with the world, and was wholly unknown.
Tertullian, along with Epiphanius of Salamis, also charged that Marcion set aside the gospels of Matthew, Mark and John, and used the Gospel of Luke alone[11]
Whenever people go to so much length just to explain a simple text means that they are trying to twist what is obviously said.
Not true.
Why do you Ignore Christ's command in Matthew 23:1-3? Any one who relaxes the least of these commands will be least in the Kingdom? The great Commission calls us to do and to teach ALL that Christ Commands!
Which of Christ's commands do you think I am ignoring, Darcy?
I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, Rob
Brother, you are wrong. Faith in Jesus means to obey his words and commandments, which becomes a law. Even Christ law. Thus you need to obey some law to get saved. Therefore the law of Christ saves you, it is a law that saves you. If you have faith in Jesus but you don't obey his law you are not saved, which means either faith alone doesn't save you, or faith saves you, but faith means to keep the law. Don't you agree?
Hello again, sir! I agree with you to a degree. But fulfilling God's law looks much different under His New Covenant.
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has *fulfilled the law"* (Rom 13:8)
"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the *fulfillment of the law."* (Rom. 13:10)
"For the entire *law is fulfilled* in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Gal. 5:14).
"Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will *fulfill the law of Christ."* (Gal. 6:2).
I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT expressly teaches that many of the commands given under the Old Covenant Law do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if we want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots ok. Well said. But how about Paul saying that you must obey human law as well? So if we obey Christ law and human law, why should we not obey moses law as well which is superior to human law. And what is love in practice, is it not defined by the same Moses law again. And how about Mathew 23, would you make a decent video on it as Jesus literally commands us to keep moses law. So Christ law is to keep all laws, Moses law and human laws while they not contradict each other. Don't you agree?
Righteousness comes through faith in Jesus and keeping the commandments of God,a matter is established by two or three witnesses. We need both . Stop 🛑 butchering the word of God
First, let me make a true statement... We are saved by faith and made God's righteousness in Christ apart from the law, if the law was able to make us God's righteousness then there would not have been a need for Christ to offer himself. As for the book of Romans, it was written 50 plus year after the death of Yeshua, and they were letter of corrections and teachings of the truth of the Scriptures, the Old Testament and of the walk with Yeshua. Acts 15 shows us exactly what was taking place, the true teachings of the Scriptures were being distorted.
The law has to do with a righteous work before God, nothing to do with making one God's righteousness. Why done you read Romans 8? The problem is that christian brethren have been told that those who observes the Decalogue and some other law are working for salvation and Solberg appears to be teaching that. Remember that those without law are lawless and the lawless will perish according to the AD books.
Thanks, Sam! I have certainly never taught that Christians are without any law. That would be unbiblical. Just that the Law of Moses as a whole is no longer in effect and no required of Christians.
That said, the commandments under the New Covenant-what we might call the "Law of Christ," (1 Cor 9:21; Gal 6:2)-are identical to the Law of Moses in terms of the principles they uphold. But those principles are expressed differently under the New Covenant. For example, atonement is still required for sins, but it is achieved in a new and better way (Heb 10).
Shalom,
Rob
Rob, again, you are not responding according to what I posted about clean and unclean animals, not to mention, I explained what Mark 7 is talking about. I still like you to respond.
I understand that there are many things that Yeshua fulfilled that were spoken of him, like the sacrifices, which Yeshua did once and for all, but the Decalogue were not done away with and in it the Sabbath is to be held on the specific day God gave. Exodus says that the Sabbath is of the LORD, which was why Yeshua was able to say that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, and he demonstrated that statement where on most Sabbath he was performing God's wondrous work, and he also is Lord of all including every day, which is why he healed on other days. I started to here the interview you had and I see you went into history, so why don't you do a history who removed the Sabbath and why. I am sure you will take this humbly, you are articulate when you speak, I believe if you would do a thorough research on how and why they removed the Sabbath day, God will not only reveal it to you, but being that God revealed it you will be able to teach the christian brethren the truth about the Sabbath. In my opinion, I believe that the Romans knew by removing the Sabbath day, they will would be able to separate themselves from the Jews. Remember that Aquila and his wife was being persecuted in Rome.
I think you know my statement of faith. Christian brethren have this idea that all who observes the law they are working for salvation and that is not true. The problem is not in the observing the law (like the Decalogue or the law of clean and unclean), but when one says faith and keeping the law is the two ingredient for salvation that would be distorting the word of God, ultimately a false doctrine. The hebrew root movement appears at times as insinuating that and their focus appears to be more on the temple and the law then Yeshua.
I will respond to the second part of you post.
Regarding 1st Corinthian 9:21, if you start on verse 19, you would understand that the Apostle Paul is taking the role of a fisherman, nothing to do with doing away with the law. He understood that in Christ there is neither Jews, nor Greeks, nor Gentiles, but that we are all one in Christ, we are a new creation in Christ. Just like God made a distinction between Israel and the Gentiles through the law (the lawful and the lawless), God in Christ is making both one in Yeshua, nothing to do with the dismissing of the law.
With the above being said, now one can understand why him being a Jew, became a Jew , that he might game the Jews to them that are under the law, as under the law, that he might gain them that are under the law. Nothing to do with the dismissing of the law, but all to do with the hope that the Spirit of God leads them to Yeshua who is end of the law, but for righteousness. Now, to the Gentiles he became as without law and not that he was without law, which is why he used the word "AS", it was about hoping that the Spirit of God leads them to Yeshua, nothing about the law being done away with.
Let's go to the Jews as under the law. He understood that when one walks after the Spirit , the Spirit of God will fulfill the righteousness of the law and you and Romans 8 is clear about this.
According to Galatians 5:14, the law is fulfilled loving thy neighbors as thyself, not to mention loving God as well. But is not dismissing the law in the Epistle to the Galatians, he is correcting the believers, that the work of the law does not justify a man and those who believe that the work of the law justifies a man has fallen from grace. There is a difference between observing the law and believing that the law justifies a man.
Again, there are many things that Yeshua fulfilled, but he did not come to do away with the law, as previously stated if we work after the Spirit, the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law.
God has taught me to just put it on the table, it is the person's job to to a thorough research and if he does that is when the Spirit of God will teach what God made clear when he first spoke.
Shabbat Shalom,
@@sundownsam3369 Hi Sam! I've got many articles and videos about clean/unclean food and Mark 7:
rlsolberg.com/thus-he-declared-all-food-clean/
rlsolberg.com/romans-14-food-days/
rlsolberg.com/peters-vision-food-gentiles-or-both/
ruclips.net/video/M1A3EdQSmwg/видео.html (Do kosher food laws apply to Christians)
ruclips.net/video/H-gYD7FU0wI/видео.html (Testing 119 Ministries on Romans 14)
ruclips.net/video/4LV4IQ4e1vM/видео.html (What does Acts 10 teach us about food laws?)
Hello Rob, I have no problems reading articles and looking at the videos you provided and I will, but you still failed to respond to my questions, one being can you eat blood sausages being that according to you all in now made clean, not to mention that blood sausage do have proteins?
By the way, I have not problems reading the scriptures you provided, but if articles and videos are being given as an opinion that will not be concrete and the Scriptures won't support it. Talk soon'
YOU CANNOT UPHOLD A LAW BY NOT BEING UNDER THER LAW.
YOU CANNOT UPHOLD A LAW BY SPEAKING EVIL SGAINST THE LAW.
YOU CANNOT UPHOLD A LAW BY CONTRADICTING THE LAW
YOU CANNOT UPHOLD A LAW BY REBELLING AGAINST THE LAW.
JUSTIFICATION OF GOD IS FOR THE RIGHTEOUS (KEEPERS) OF THE LAW) SO WHICH GOD'S GOSPEL IS PAUL PRRACHING THAT HE IS EXTENSIVELY AND DEEPLY CONTRADICTING AND REVILING THE LAW OF GOD YEHOVAH THE LAWGIVER.
The law is a blessing and a curse, reap as you sow... the 'law' is cause and effect, cannot be broken, in effect 24/7, and even if one rebels and recieves the 'curses' due to - the LAW is still proven true. THUS we up hold the law - whether we know it, or even are oblivious to it. JESUS IS THE LAW... and why He is called the 'word'.
Grace is NOT of a good 'reason' - as grace allows one to be 'unjust', and Paul is clear on this.... should wensin more that grace abound??? NO! says Paul.
The law of 'faith' is 'faith in the spirit' OF the law, and all are subject to it [law] (Romans 2:12-14)
DO the 'law' in and by 'love'... and you cannot fail it, as love covers a multitude of sins. To be 'hated' for His namesake means to FORGIVE the sins against you, NOT that people are going to 'hate you' because of Jesus. Everybody loved Jesus... and Jesus problem was with the 'teachings' and 'teachers' OF the law. Not 'lifting a finger' meant that they used their little finger thingy to point to ONLY the parts of the law that supported THEIR opinions, and ideas.
still listening... YUP!! There it is!! But sin siezing an opportunity THROUGH the commandment... right here boys and girls, Paulie is expressing how the LAW caused Him to JUSTIFY his killing of Christian's...
but, since God can use 'evil' (grace) for 'good'... Paul's thorn in his side is then obvious... as God's 'grace' was sufficient.
Paul was NOT some wretched sinner as people make him out to be in Romans 7:15, he is saying that the works he WANTS to do (good) are done THROUGH HIM and not BY his own understanding, and because ALL good works are ordained by God, even when they are technically 'bad' - according to the law. Like Rahab's lie for instance.
The verse 31 is mo complicated than what Solbergs says. The Law was not just show the sin but to be a ground for building a G-dly state But Solberg and other Christian Theologian Dribble the word "law" to lead to the idea that the Law of Moshe is not valid now when the New or Renew Covenant has been established by Jesus. But this is wrong since the Torah and all it´s commandment is laid inside the believer. David praises the Laws in Psalm 19 as both ti in itself to be dearer than gold and the honey is sweater and that the servant get wisdom etc etc. It could not been given an idea that you need to believe in Jesus, Jesus is not in the text. But only praises of the Law that gives a wonderful life. Solbergs Theology leads totally wrong.
what if i told you "works of the law" doesnt mean what you think it means.
Hi, Pete! I guess you'd first have to tell me what you believe I think that phrase means. Then we'd know if it doesn't mean what I think it means. -Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots can i just call you or you can call me blocked. i'd rather talk on the phone. maybe u can help me with some things in scripture.
Wow, so we need to follow the Torah at the higher spiritual level as revealed by Yeshua so we don't sin. Those who want to live by Torah and have been trying to say the same have been right all along.
Satan is the Father of lies, Thessalonica 2v3 Let no one Deceive in anyway Deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man Lawlessness 458 (Torah less Ness) is revealed the son of destruction. Isa 14v12to 14. How you have fallen from heaven, O' Heylel 1966, you have been cut down to earth, you have weakened the nations. 13. But you said in your heart, I will raise my Throne above the star of Elohim, And I will sit on the Mount of assembly; In the recesses of the North. 14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I make myself like the Most High. Satan appears as Angel of Light.
Hi, Karl. You do yourself a great disservice when you assume that every time the word "law" or "lawlessness" is used in Scripture it refers to the Torah. Doing so renders many passages completely nonsensical. For example:
"For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some. I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings." (1 Cor 9:19-23)
Best,
Rob
2 Thess is about the end times and the antichrist after the rapture. Christians will not be here then. Apostasy is about a departure from the truth that saves ... which can only be faith in Jesus. Those who remain refused to accept the faith and do not live by the teachings of Jesus ... among other commandments it is specifically about loving your brother.
Also, imagine you have a car crash. Insurance company will ask, did you stop on a red light, did you uphold the road law? No, no insurance. Yes, yes insurance. So if you kept the road law you are saved even if there's a car accident with you car involved and you suffer. If you didn't keep the road law, even you have no accident, police will fine you, so you are not saved even without accident.
Problem is your study a false apostles words. subject search Jesus words VS Pauline doctrine, and Jesus made it clear, Paul short voice on the road.
For false Matt 24:24-26
Many Christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead a stray, if possible, even the elect. 25. See, I have told you before and 26. If they say to you look, he is in the wilderness, do not go out. If they say; look, he is in the inner rooms. Do not believe it.
Acts 22:8 (A bright light came in the desert on the road.)
Paul said, “Who are you Lord?” “I am Jesus of Nazareth.”(Jesus never called Himself that)
II Cor 11:14
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
(Paul was miss lead by the light, Paul’s first recorded miracle was to blind a man; just like the angel of light did to him and scales fell off his eyes).
Jesus never meet Paul on the road.
Thanks, Marty. So you reject the writings of the apostle Paul? That feels a little dangerous, doesn't it? It seems to me that if we only accept the parts of Scripture that we like, and reject the rest, it's not the Bible we believe but ourselves. Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots that is what we are taught to think. Paul is there for a reason, Deu 13, 334 AD the church of Rome placed his letters in there because they liked his gospel over Christ gospel. I used to think as you did until I totally believed the words of Jesus; Met 24:24 is clear warning, signs and wonders do NOT prove truth. Peter, James Jude John all work to fix the lie Paul started. Paul spent less than 12 days with only a few of the true apostles. Father wants to see if YOU and I will follow His Son's words or a perfect counterfeit. test Paul's own words, he is double minded and admits to being a liar and deceiving folks. Rms 3:7
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
II Cor 12:16,17
But granting that I MYSELF did not burden you, I was CRAFTY, you say, and got the better of you by DECEIT?
** I do not reject Paul; I see him as a person we should not be like. Have you ever studied by subject? can you tell me what Jesus set as qualifications for Him to pick 12 people as true Apostles? If you believe Jesus words, then you will see Paul can NOT be an apostle. Paul knows it. I Cor 9:2
***If to others I am NOT an apostle, *** at LEAST I am to you, for YOU ARE THE SEAL OF MY APOSTLESHIP in the lord.
(This does NOT qualify him as one by people’s opinions; Jesus sets the qualifications. * He knows that he does not meet the requirements)
**All I can do is warn folks to test Christ words to Paul's at judgement day you will find out the truth.
Jhn 6:70
Yeshua answered them, Have I not chosen you TWELVE, and one of you is a devil?
John 15:27
And you also will bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning.
Lk 6:13
And when day came, He (Jesus) called His disciples and chose twelve of them, whom HE also named Apostles.
John 21:24
This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things.
Mat 19:28
Yeshua said to them, Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, YOU who have FOLLOWED Me will also sit on TWELVE thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Acts 1:21
So, ONE of the men who have ACCOMPAINED us during ALL the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Acts 2:14
But Peter standing up with the eleven lifted up his voice and said.
Acts 1:23,24
And they appointed two Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias, 24. And they prayed and said, thou Lord, which knows the hearts of all men, show whether these two thou has chosen,
Acts 1:26
Until the day when Jesus was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen.
(Yeshua is very clear. Twelve Apostles. He had two back up men)
**There was no, room, for Paul from the start, he can NOT be an apostle**
Acts 6:2
And the TWELVE summoned the full number of disciples and said, (church was going and Paul was not in the picture)
Acts 8:1b
They were all scattered through the region of Judea and Samaria, EXCEPT the apostles. (Paul's persecution on the church; the true Apostles was not afraid of him)
Acts 10:39
Peter said, “we are witness of all that He did, etc.
Jude 17b
But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles OF our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus never said, “go and make apostles”.
Jh 1:1,2
We declare to you what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life. 2 This life was revealed, we have seen it and TESTIFY to it, and declare to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
Rev1 :1b,2
He made it known by sending to His servant John, who bore witness to the Word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
Mat 13:11
And Yeshua said, “To you has been given the secret of the Kingdom of God,
Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but to us who had BEEN chosen by God as witness, who ate and drank with Him after he rose from the dead.
Rev 21:14
And the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and on them are the TWELVE names of the TWELVE Apostles of the Lamb.
@@bibledefinedbymartycozad you can't throw out Paul without throwing away all of the words of Jesus through association because we rely on the apostles for the words of Jesus and Peter and other apostles affirmed Paul as a brother and fellow apostle.
You error leading to death. Do not deceive others as you have deceived yourself.
The only reason people deny Paul is because they don't understand him. A big reason why people don't understand him is because of contradictory teachings of the modern church.
Paul was put on trial for teaching against the law and he denied it. So, you can either trust Paul's words or other men interpreting Paul's words for you. Paul doesn't contradict anything in scripture if you are interpreting him correctly.
When you bring in manmade views of Paul, that's when things get slippery.
The reason Paul can be confusing is because of the poetic nature of his writings which doesn't fit very well into Greek but is familiar if you are well versed in OT poetry. It's all about comparing and contrasting ideas. These can sometimes become confusing or sound contradictory if you don't carefully follow the thought or idea being pursued by the author.
Read those verses about Paul "lying" again very carefully. Every time he is addressing accusations toward himself and how those accusers heap judgement on themselves!!
@@charitybrook6279 You have not tested the scriptures have you. Paul says the commandments was given by angels, not by God. Jesus words make it clear that Paul is not an apostle and Paul did not see Jesus. Dear you must follow Christ teachings.
For false Matt 24:24-26
Many Christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead a stray, if possible, even the elect. 25. See, I have told you before and 26. If they say to you look, he is in the wilderness, do not go out. If they say; look, he is in the inner rooms. Do not believe it.
Acts 22:8 (A bright light came in the desert on the road.)
Paul said, “Who are you Lord?” “I am Jesus of Nazareth.”(Jesus never called Himself that)
Jesus set the qualifications for His 14 apostles,
Apostles twelve
Jhn 6:70
Yeshua answered them, Have I not chosen you TWELVE, and one of you is a devil?
John 15:27
And you also will bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning.
Lk 6:13
And when day came, He (Jesus) called His disciples and chose twelve of them, whom HE also named Apostles.
John 21:24
This is the disciple who is bearing witness about these things.
Mat 19:28
Yeshua said to them, Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, YOU who have FOLLOWED Me will also sit on TWELVE thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Acts 1:21
So, ONE of the men who have ACCOMPAINED us during ALL the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Acts 2:14
But Peter standing up with the eleven lifted up his voice and said.
Acts 1:23,24
And they appointed two Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias, 24. And they prayed and said, thou Lord, which knows the hearts of all men, show whether these two thou has chosen,
Acts 1:26
Until the day when Jesus was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen.
(Yeshua is very clear. Twelve Apostles. He had two back up men)
**There was no, room, for Paul from the start, he can NOT be an apostle**
Acts 6:2
And the TWELVE summoned the full number of disciples and said, (church was going and Paul was not in the picture)
Acts 8:1b
They were all scattered through the region of Judea and Samaria, EXCEPT the apostles. (Paul's persecution on the church; the true Apostles was not afraid of him)
Acts 10:39
Peter said, “we are witness of all that He did, etc.
Jude 17b
But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles OF our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus never said, “go and make apostles”.
Jh 1:1,2
We declare to you what was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the word of life. 2 This life was revealed, we have seen it and TESTIFY to it, and declare to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
Rev1 :1b,2
He made it known by sending to His servant John, who bore witness to the Word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
Mat 13:11
And Yeshua said, “To you has been given the secret of the Kingdom of God,
Acts 10:41
Not to all the people, but to us who had BEEN chosen by God as witness, who ate and drank with Him after he rose from the dead.
Rev 21:14
And the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and on them are the TWELVE names of the TWELVE Apostles of the Lamb.
I follow Jesus words not Paul's he is a counterfeit.
@@bibledefinedbymartycozad I have read and I have tested, you have misinterpreted Paul unto your own destruction just as Peter warned.
Paul delighted in the law of the Lord and repeats so multiple times. He often teaches against relying on our own works to be saved, which is biblical!! If we are thinking the law will save us for one second we are deceived. The law brings knowledge of our unrighteous because our hearts are at emnity with God's law. God's blood covers us before a Holy God and washes us clean in His eyes.
Our works are simply a mark *if* we are His or not. They themselves do nothing to save us. Paul points this out correctly to the Galatians, and praises the law repeatedly when it is used *lawfully* . It is never meant to save.
Paul said it was delivered by an angel of the Lord, this is True. But the title of *the* angel of the Lord according to Scripture is a title for Jesus often used throughout the Tanakh.
Also, as far as your issues with Paul seeing Jesus on the road to Damascus you need to be more careful in your conclusions. Jesus said if anyone tells us He has come back in secret, we must not believe them. This could apply to the modern view pre-trib rapture, but it could not apply to Paul and here is why.
Paul never told anyone, "look Jesus has come back in secret!!" Paul had a VISION just like John did in Revelation. Just a different kind of vision. Paul never told anyone that Jesus had returned, and he never told anyone that it was a secret returning and that they should go out and seek this "secret return" which is what Jesus is addressing. There is a difference between teaching about a secret return of Christ, and proclaiming that Jesus appeared to you in a vision. Which God has done all throughout time and tells us He will continue to do in the end times until He finally does return.
"Your son's and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams and your young men will see *visions* ".
Also, Jesus can use whatever title He likes to get His purposes through to who He is speaking. Paul had been persecuting the people who followed "Jesus of Nazareth " it makes sense that Jesus would use this title when smacking down Paul's pride, (which was part of why he was made temporarily blind) and this statement probably brought Paul to his knees in repentance. Which the scriptures imply heavily.
Also, like I said if you deny Paul, you deny Peter who affirmed Paul, and if you can't trust Peter your can't trust anything in the new testament. So I believe the Lord is testing you, and I pray that you are humble enough to hear the errors in your interpretation.
If people aren't allowed to receive visions from God according to your interpretation from Jesus, then all of the OT prophets and John are all invalid to you.
And yes Jesus selected 12 starting apostles but He told us to go out and make disciples of all nations. Apostle is just another word for disciple. You are getting too caught up.
Brother, YHWH is Israel. The Messiah is Israel. We are made in his image. We are all Israel. Jeremiah, tell us who the olive tree that you're grafted into. That is Israel.
The Messiah is the Torah (the Word). Sin is transgression of the torah. Which category do you fall into? Rev22:19
The Messiah was taught the Pharisee to repent from the traditions of man because they were adding to the torah. Catholicism and Christianity come alone and take away (traditions of man)from the torah. Thank about it. This is what Satan did in the garden. Adam sin and became separated from YHWH. He can no longer see the Messiah. He is no longer a part of Israel. When we see the Messiah we are give salvation. They we are to walk after him(the torah) it is the instructions to righteousness. We will follow all of mans millions of laws. But refuge walk in the few laws of YHWH. The point is to get back to the garden(Israel or home), and the torah points the way. Israel 1:3.
We are in Egypt (Babylon), just like in the time of Moses. Accepting all of Satan lies. Abraham kept the torah. Genesis 5:26. In the hebrew, the law is torah. Remember, there is only one chosen nation, Israel. In the beginning was the Word (Torah) , and the Word(Torah) was with Elohim, and the Word(Torah) was Elohim.
His name is Yah.
Here is a small but huge piece of evidence. HalleluYah! Please continue studying.
If you Elohim keep His Commandments, if you others don't sin against them.
Yes! And not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands were only given to certain people (ex. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses), or for certain times (ex. building an ark, gathering manna) and we're each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. And the ceremonial Mosaic commands do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required.) “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
Blessings, RLS