For me that was the most interesting review for ages AND at last an English reviewer who bothers to test for muzzle energy down range. I’ve always had an FAC in the cabinet - currently a Wildcat but I did have an R10 blue printed and it was amazingly accurate 177. The .25 intrigues me and I had a springer (sub 12) some years ago but the choice of pellets was far too small for me to be sure I was getting the best out of the gun. I’ve been a fan of BSA guns since my first Airsporter in the 1960’s and I’m really tempted by an R10 sub 12 or FAC. In sub 12 the .25 carries a thump that flattens anything in the way of pests in a barn but without over penetration and the danger of damaging roofs etc. Great review Andy.
Id take a .22 fac over a .25 any day , just use a nice 25 grn .22 pellet at around 45 fpe and you have the power you need and you get the bonus of a flatter .177 flight characteristics .
USA owner here. Love my BSA R10th .22 FAC! 50-yard grouping with JSB jumbo Heavy Diablos is less than 1-inch. Slugs like JSB jumbo monsters don’t fly straight. Only problem with my R10, wish I had the walnut stock. I have black pepper laminate and the stock is a bit too glossy.
I've never seen the benefit, overall, of a FAC air rifle here in the UK. A .22" lr rimfire is much, much cheaper, and if you don't need the, say, 100ftlb of a 40 grain round nose, try shorts. 30 ftlb with a 29 grain round nose. My Henry .22" underlever will hold 21 shorts, and the only issue for the hunter would be the inability to fit a moderator to it. Of course there's always a bolt action with threaded barrel for that. My experience with BSA air rifles in the sub 12ftlb category has been good, with my T-10 being a favourite, and my Tench regulated Ultra was a belter before, like a fool, I sold it. The older BSA's have served me well too, but alas my R-10 experience was one which I'd rather not like to experience again. I've been mulling over the idea of a .25" for a year or two, just because, well, it intrigues me, even in sub 12ftlb, with all the limitations it will have, such as the increased arc of trajectory and the lack of a good pellet choice. However, I won't be stretching to the price of an R-10.
@@andrewharris4940 @andrew harris if you're going to turn it down too much, what's the point for the small stuff around a farm, at least here in the UK. Might as well stick to a good sub 12ftlb. In and around barns and the like I would think over penetration would be something to consider too, so again a sub 12lbft. Stretching out into the fields, over, say 35 to 40 yards, yes, an FAC would come into it's own, but in doing so it brings the rimfire back into reasoning. Shorts being of benefit, should the usual long rifle be too much.
Good morning Andy, 🙏 really loved the show today . 😀 packed full of information 👌 . You carnt go wrong buying a BSA rifle .... You shot very well today . I have a r10 in my collection, and yes I love ❤ it . You're new signs are trick . Thank you Simon from York England 🇬🇧 ... shoot safe
Andy - a really good review. Its all about horses for courses. No air rifle does everything - know what you want it to do then select the rifle that does what you need it to do. Love the channel and look forward to more of the like.
Definitely not daft loving bolt action Andy. I've had the privilege of firing some early 20th century bolt action rifles and every time I use my rifle it takes me back to firing those mesmerising pieces of engineering. Your passion is one of the reasons your videos are so great and enjoyable.
That is indeed eye candy, also have an R10 and its amazing and can easily produce a tight group of touching shots at 50m, the gun's accuracy far exceeds my ability.
Had a fantastic Mk2 R10 for 5 years (it did go back to the factory from new with a barrel issue but was pellet on pellet afterward) however replaced with an older Mk2 R10 150th anniversary edition with a beautiful stock in 2020. The Reg gave up after 2 mags so I sent back to BSA for a new reg which I was fine with given the gun was 9 years old. However once it returned it did not shoot as I expected (nowhere near my other R10) but given my previous experience didn’t believe BSA to be at fault and proceeded to troubleshoot and try 10+ popular pellets. I even took it to a shop who chono’d it and said it was fine however I chrono’d it at a separate place months later after more inconclusive testing and it had serious reg problems. By this point the new reg was out of warranty (lockdown delayed testing). It’s since been back to BSA twice and is still not correct, it’s a shame as I also want it to be the last gun in my collection. Worth noting I have also owned a Defiant and have a first edition CLX and BSA mk1 meteor in the collection still so it’s not easy for me to be frustrated with BSA.
I love the bsa .25 cal and have been using them from the 80s when everyone said you can't hunt with a .25 at 12ftlbs how wrong those people where and I still here it today .25 no point get a .177 or .22 well I have those to but the .25 is my preferred cal and I regularly take rabbits at 40 yards with my ultra .25 with instant death.
A lot of people have "Opinions" about sub 12 .25 & most of them have never owned one. I started shooting air rifles in 1964 on my grandfathers pig farm. Had lots of ,22 & .177s since, never had a .25 so a couple of years back got a .25 P15. Got used to it ways & i love it. Do pesting out to 25 -30 yards & rabbits hit are DEAD!. Sub 12 .25 is very good.
Have a R10(th), after watching the AAR(on air) review, just would like to say a big Thankyou to Andy for his very accurate review, and iam now really enjoying my BSA R10(th).👌🏼👍
I have a ratworks tuned bsa ultra in 25cal and its amazing. Produces 11.3-4ftlb with h@nftt at 19.9 grains and 11.6-7ftlb with jsb at 25 grain. 5p groups at 45m range with both using a pard 008lrf. I regularly head shoot crows etc at my permission at 47metre (barn roof). Drops corvids etc so hard.
Hi Andy, preaching to the converted, I have an R10TH and would never give it up. Open up the case, it always makes me smile as it is beautiful to look at let alone use. Interesting review for me concerning the accuracy of pelletsvslugsvweights which has convinced me that my .22 version is right for me and paper targets. Thanks for yet another interesting review. Stay safe.
You can get a decent New springer for around £150 if You look about , and there is an Hatsan springer which gets some excellent revues for around £100 or less if You shop around . Then there is always the second hand section in most Gun shops where bargains can be had if Your patient and selective .
I am the proud owner of the Gammo Phox (BSA) and also the R10 TH, both in 2.2 and I absolutely love using them both. I very much enjoy your AAR on air Andy, keep up the great work.
What I miss in all vids are penetration tests with wood 6x4. If I would buy a PCP then penetration power on 25-100 meters is key. So .25 JSB Exact King Heavy MKII & Zan Slugs are the only ones I use 1000-1150 fps.
Thank you for very interesting and informative review. With a posable lead ban creeping up on us, it would have been Interesting to see how .25 lead free pellet performed in the sub 12 FP R10
I like BSA I own 2 Ultras, .22 and 177. I also like that German make of air rifle that use the record trigger, I have 2 of those as well both are HW80’s in 177 and 22 I must be lucky as I have never experienced problems with these 4 rifles.
BSA and Gamo make fantastic rifles and guns. Anything made in volume is going to have a few duds. Gamo and BSA know and acknowledge these problems and resolve them immediately.
I have been interested in how .25 would work in a FAC air rifle, so I found this video very interesting. A comparison of relative bullet (pellet) drop over distances would be interesting though.
LOVE your 'field ' chat...*mind you, I love the stuff your write and read in the studio...buttt* like your more informal banter on the range ! keep up the awesome videos and thank you very much for the valuable insight into the various airgun 'stuffs'!
I have an R10 SE and love it, so accurate, so when I saw Ted's holdover shoot a fly on his target @30 . I had to try, let's say my fly won't be having any children in the future.
The grey stock is 🔥🔥🔥😍💯 The energy retention on the 33.95s is impressive and leaves me with a lot more confidence at distances out to 100 yards. I push them at 900 FPS in my LCS and they are very accurate as well. Gotta try the Grizzly rounds soon. Great information. Thank you.
When you have got the "Please" bit working it would be a great master class for all of us , of how to get this to work domestically 🤣 great review thanks
I NEEED one. Tho personally i prefere the regular wooden brown stock. Just give it a tiny bit of a touch of wood oil to get the grain to pop a touch more, and i'd be more than happy with it.
Great show as always, it not only the gun that sells but customer relations , also they have that heritage dating back to Second World War, as most shooters including myself I started with BSA back 40 plus years ago and had no problems with their guns then and it good to know that it has continued and as my dad used to say buy British buy quality keep it up BSA
Morning Andy, Another great show as usual I've had my R10mkII for a long time now and like you say they just keep working. Mine is used for the hunting side of things and for target I use my M3 however I don't use the BSA scope as I like to be able to get a little closer view so I use the Vector optics scopes, Which in my opinion are great value and very clear optics. Keep up the good work promoting the sport because gun shops seem to be disappearing, My local one here in Berkshire is closing down which is a shame as they have been here for over 50 years.
Hi Andy, Thankyou for another fantastic air rifle review. I wasn't expecting it, so a lovely surprise. I love your humour, especially when you talked about having four air rifles, having had issues with all of them, their manufacturers' name beginning with D! No disrespect to anyone, it was just a lighthearted giggle. The fact is, few things in life run smoothly. When goods are made/manufactured, there's always the possibility of issues. I've had them myself. If we are lucky and the manufacturer takes on their responsibility to put things right, I think thats fair enough, and we can't ask for much more, although not the best scenario. I have been wondering about applying for FAC licence Andy, and have made up my mind with your review. I think I will stay as I am, and put all my energy into being as good as I can be with my sub 12ftlb and knowing where my .177 pellet is going to be at different distances. I think for me personally at this stage of my shooting, I would rather try and be much more accurate with what I am currently using, rather than jump in the oceans and not know where I am. I found your review, Andy, very helpful and your humour priceless, lol. I, too, think the BSA's are gorgeous and love the fact they are British and steeped in history. The black pepper stock looks gorgeous, absolutely fantastic, no question. However, I just couldn't be parted from my walnut. It would have to be parted from the death grips of my corpse, lol! Very best wishes, Andy, take care!
Hi Andy I’ve watched a few vid’s now and have subscribed to the channel … my point being, is I watch, and before I no it’s finished … I have no knowledge about any of the airguns, but the narrative, enthusiasm & explanation, the time just fly’s by … thx & keep on making the videos …😃
Great review as usual. Love the black pepper finish and I am the lucky owner of a BSA 160th CLX in Black Pepper. Simply fabulous. Still on the look out for a decent scope for it though.
Im with you, have my 25 cal impact mk 3 spitting out 26,5 Hades @ 1050 fps which is 66 ft lbs and Im accurate at 100 yrds. Im shooting foxes, coyotes, beavers, raccoons, and deer with that type of power. Im not wasting that type of power on a sparrow, or robin.
@@anthonygillespie7233 right on! I’m pushing 90fpe with my .25 maverick. 43.5G nsa slugs. Also have a Vulcan 3 in .30 cal pushing 120fpe running 59grain Zans 978fps. Constantly shooting birds and squirrels past 200 yards and even got a yotie at 180 yards
At those levels just get a .22 RF - cheaper, lighter, no bottles and shot count to worry about and much less fuss all round. At 30/40 ftlb the air rifle wins hands down - much more versatile. There are a very few shots with my rimfire that I couldn’t have taken with my FAC but loads of shots I take with my FAC that I wouldn’t dream of taking with a Rimfire for safety reasons.
@@grahamedwards9920 That's the good part of shooting pcps. The shots you wouldn't take I can because I can adjust my power levels. Besides, its fun to just shoot without people being afraid because they hear gun fire, and also when hunting you don't scare off the intended prey. Just the fact that these guns can do what rim fire rifles can do is amazing.
Great video review Andy both rifles to me look like a fine piece of jewelry and shoot very well and I agree the Hades pellets are a perfect match. Cheers brother
Ive had numerous airguns over the years. Always loved my BSA products .... Had the R10 in pepper stock and Ultra SE. Both great fun, especially the Ultra. Never had issues with any gun though. Great review by the way.
Hi Andy, I recently got a R-TEN 177 walnut in sub 12, it's a great gun and paired with a hawk sidewinder shoots great out to 50 yards on the range. I would recommend it to anyone, However it is better with the single shot tray than the magazine that can deform pellets. Great review thanks 👍🥸
One question that’s hung around since I started watching your cancel all those years ago is! How come you don’t review many FX rifles? I’m pretty sure I’ve only seen you review the dreamline and two impacts! I’d be interested to know the reason or what you think of them. Hope your all well 👍🏻
Good point. I have owned a Boss 30cal for quite a few years, which is a lovely, punchy, accurate and now overlooked gun. Don't think you've tested that.
Hi Andy, Thank you for another great review. There's obviously a lot to think about when considering FAC. Alot of people think more power is the be all end all. However, like you said Andy, out at those distances, you've got wind age and accuracy and not the fore gone conclusion some people may think.
I will never sell my BSA ultra se and R12 laminate stock, I have a HW100 and as good as they are I still think the little ultra and R12 blind it. Also can't wait to receive my edgun leshiy 2 soon. I think it's the most fun gun on the market specially with the repeated shot count.
The only thing I can say is that the fac was rather slow out of the box. You really want to be in the mid 800’s to get the best out of the pellet. Can it be adjusted?
Unfortunately it's seems everything quality has a price, but there is a price above quality where it is just bling not purpose, BSA/GAMO are the quality without being bling and its those that perform much better, and it's British. Lovely reveiw Andy.
I agree with you on having a bolt action Andy. Andy are BSA guns very reliable and dependable as you say buddy. Because I might be interested in buying one some day.
Im sorry to say that my R10 mk2 has been not as i expected with the regulator sticking and orings needing replaced two or three times. Ive had bsa since 1970 and this is the first one ive had anything but the best.......must have been a bad day mine came out. When its working well ive never had a gun that will put shot after shot on the same point
HI ANDY. I SHOOT A LOT OF RATS ON PIG FARMS AND I SHOOT OUT TO 30YDS WITH MY .25 CAL WITH NO PROBLEM. I HAVE A NUMBER OF RIFLES IN .177CAL AND .22CAL BUT THE .25 CAL HITS RATS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER IT SPINS THEM AROUND AND THEY GO WITH A RIGHT POP WHEN HIT. THERE ARE SOME VIDS OUT THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE RATS HEAR THE 25 CAL COMING AND BECAUSE OF THE SLOWER SPEED OF THE PELLETS. AND THE RATS MOVE BEFORE IMPACT
Andy, I've had an idea for yourself videos. If you could put your targets into a printer you could print the gun, pellet and range info on them so we always know what we're watching if we missed the info in your commentary. May be useful to you when editing your video as well. One more idea is at the end of each year you could post a slide show of the whole year's test targets so you can have some time off around Christmas from making time consuming content. Keep up the great work, I look forward to your videos every week.
Great vidio aar.i have a bsa r10 regulated and like you I've had no problems in the ten that I've had always had bsa guns since I was a kid they just fantastic.
I love the dark look of that stock. I have a BSA ultra. And I have no reason to get a new Gunn. But if I ever do. It will 100 000000 % lol. Be an . BSA R10 👍
Very good & informative video Andy...i appreciate the time you put into making these video's (being a you tuber myself)...all the best & shoot safe and straight ! Gordon.
I have had my s410 for years and love it but time has come . The passion you have for this gun I have for mine but I think an r10 in .22 is comming to me very soon Thank you 😊 👍👍👍😜🏴🦕🦄😁✌🤞
Hi Andy. Really like your show. I also like the . bsa r10. Mine loves the .22 hades. I had mine tuned by the Ratworks when the regulator stopped working. It is like a laser beam now. I cannot believe how accurate it is. But my .177 bsa ultra shoots like a shotgun with the hades, very strange. Thanks again
A very insightful review for what I think are somewhat niche markets. BSA? Top quality at a reasonable price. I have two R10s - an old one updated with a HUMA regulator and a 160 Commemorative (smiley face).
18:23 Yes it's pronounced 'pile arm', no doubt named after the BSA 'Piled Arms' logo. Another great review, I have an R10TH in .177 and an R10 SE in .22 and love them both.
Bought r10 realtree supercarbine 177 brand new, took it to the range 2mags x10 pellets seal went, sent back to bsa 2 weeks later got it back reg went, back to bsa another 2 weeks got it back, mag release clip jammed un able to load back to bsa another 2weeks got it back and would not group to save its life back to the shop for money back best steer clear of the r10 not worth the money or rhe hassle that comes with them.
Great show, Andy! I feel sorry for you Brits needing a license for an air gun... I how you guys can get that sorted out someday soon. Ooooohhhhh! Minelli walnut....! Pretty! 😜🤤
Changing the subject slightly Andy, but have you done a review/test of an Ultra SE in .25 calibre please,I’ve just bought a second hand one and I would like to know more about it,thanks regards Phil
Hey Andy. BSA do not offer those FAC models on their site. They have a ‘high power’ offering that is no way as close in power the one you review. What’s the story?
Best content on air rifles, not many channels have this kind of professionalism. Been around for quite some, you are my favorite youtuber on air rifles I really enjoy the videos. Lately I've been looking at air rifles to upgrade from my springer .177 Gamo hunter 1250 and I've gone from wanting to buy another break barrel, to wanting a fixed barrel, but looking at power and accuracy ending up to wanting pcp air rifles. I don't know what I should get. I like shooting at long distances, most pcp guns that I want are .22, I own a .177 break barrel and I want a bigger punch something like .25 or .30 that can make that 100yard distance. Any advice is much appreciated.
Ahh I can only dream of such classy rifles anymore, but at least they can't put up the price of those dreams. Soo with you on the bolt action. Very Nice Andy keep the Great Content Flowing 👍👍
Nice revue & comparison of the sub 12lb & the FAC version . Perhaps this is a silly question , but would the BSA .25 FAC be powerful enough to take a Fox at close (sub 25 yards) or would You need something up in the AGT level or even more . Thanks to all in the Team for the video , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
@@ianvincent4911 My reasoning is I have a small permission where I can take rabbits & tree rats with My sub 12lb air rifle , but there are several foxes that the owner says prey on his chickens and have killed at least a couple of cats from the nearby caravan site, naturally he'd like to get rid of them . Problem is it's very close to a caravan site and is only about 75 yards from side to side and naturally I'm concerned about ricochet from a rim fire , and a possible solution could be an FAC airgun .These foxes are brazen (semi urban) and I've seen them walk within 20 yards or so of Me , they glance casually at me and the land owner, then just stroll off seemingly without a care in the world looking for the next easy meal .
@@richarddixon7276 I don't disagree with your reasoning, the problem is the home office approved calibres/weapons per quarry table in the back of the firearms guidance. FEOs are sticklers for it, as they then cannot be brought to task for following it. In your case, maybe a silenced shotgun with buckshot might be an option. FEOs also love recommending 17hmr, due to the alleged ricochet reduction.
Ooops.. sorry about the weight mix up, it was a very busy day guys…….there should be a decimal point in there 😏👍
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No worries 👍
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I thought it might be tricky to shoulder at 54.4 stone!!!!
I was thinking, with that kind of weight, that's not a rifle but a cannon ;-)
With all the plastic coming out these days, these were a breath of fresh air. What stunners!
Gadzooks a nearly 400 kg gun. Must be that black pepper. Heard it's heavy stuff.. awesome looking rifles though and splendid video as always
For me that was the most interesting review for ages AND at last an English reviewer who bothers to test for muzzle energy down range. I’ve always had an FAC in the cabinet - currently a Wildcat but I did have an R10 blue printed and it was amazingly accurate 177.
The .25 intrigues me and I had a springer (sub 12) some years ago but the choice of pellets was far too small for me to be sure I was getting the best out of the gun. I’ve been a fan of BSA guns since my first Airsporter in the 1960’s and I’m really tempted by an R10 sub 12 or FAC. In sub 12 the .25 carries a thump that flattens anything in the way of pests in a barn but without over penetration and the danger of damaging roofs etc.
Great review Andy.
Id take a .22 fac over a .25 any day , just use a nice 25 grn .22 pellet at around 45 fpe and you have the power you need and you get the bonus of a flatter .177 flight characteristics .
USA owner here. Love my BSA R10th .22 FAC! 50-yard grouping with JSB jumbo Heavy Diablos is less than 1-inch. Slugs like JSB jumbo monsters don’t fly straight.
Only problem with my R10, wish I had the walnut stock. I have black pepper laminate and the stock is a bit too glossy.
I've never seen the benefit, overall, of a FAC air rifle here in the UK. A .22" lr rimfire is much, much cheaper, and if you don't need the, say, 100ftlb of a 40 grain round nose, try shorts. 30 ftlb with a 29 grain round nose. My Henry .22" underlever will hold 21 shorts, and the only issue for the hunter would be the inability to fit a moderator to it. Of course there's always a bolt action with threaded barrel for that. My experience with BSA air rifles in the sub 12ftlb category has been good, with my T-10 being a favourite, and my Tench regulated Ultra was a belter before, like a fool, I sold it. The older BSA's have served me well too, but alas my R-10 experience was one which I'd rather not like to experience again. I've been mulling over the idea of a .25" for a year or two, just because, well, it intrigues me, even in sub 12ftlb, with all the limitations it will have, such as the increased arc of trajectory and the lack of a good pellet choice. However, I won't be stretching to the price of an R-10.
30 ft lbs out of 22 short 29 grain?
@@andrewharris4940 @andrew harris if you're going to turn it down too much, what's the point for the small stuff around a farm, at least here in the UK. Might as well stick to a good sub 12ftlb. In and around barns and the like I would think over penetration would be something to consider too, so again a sub 12lbft. Stretching out into the fields, over, say 35 to 40 yards, yes, an FAC would come into it's own, but in doing so it brings the rimfire back into reasoning. Shorts being of benefit, should the usual long rifle be too much.
Good morning Andy, 🙏 really loved the show today . 😀 packed full of information 👌 . You carnt go wrong buying a BSA rifle .... You shot very well today . I have a r10 in my collection, and yes I love ❤ it . You're new signs are trick . Thank you Simon from York England 🇬🇧 ... shoot safe
Congratulations Andy on your new Laminate stock. It was great seeing the inner kid come out on this episode.
Andy - a really good review. Its all about horses for courses. No air rifle does everything - know what you want it to do then select the rifle that does what you need it to do. Love the channel and look forward to more of the like.
Definitely not daft loving bolt action Andy. I've had the privilege of firing some early 20th century bolt action rifles and every time I use my rifle it takes me back to firing those mesmerising pieces of engineering. Your passion is one of the reasons your videos are so great and enjoyable.
That is indeed eye candy, also have an R10 and its amazing and can easily produce a tight group of touching shots at 50m, the gun's accuracy far exceeds my ability.
Had a fantastic Mk2 R10 for 5 years (it did go back to the factory from new with a barrel issue but was pellet on pellet afterward) however replaced with an older Mk2 R10 150th anniversary edition with a beautiful stock in 2020. The Reg gave up after 2 mags so I sent back to BSA for a new reg which I was fine with given the gun was 9 years old. However once it returned it did not shoot as I expected (nowhere near my other R10) but given my previous experience didn’t believe BSA to be at fault and proceeded to troubleshoot and try 10+ popular pellets. I even took it to a shop who chono’d it and said it was fine however I chrono’d it at a separate place months later after more inconclusive testing and it had serious reg problems. By this point the new reg was out of warranty (lockdown delayed testing). It’s since been back to BSA twice and is still not correct, it’s a shame as I also want it to be the last gun in my collection.
Worth noting I have also owned a Defiant and have a first edition CLX and BSA mk1 meteor in the collection still so it’s not easy for me to be frustrated with BSA.
I love the bsa .25 cal and have been using them from the 80s when everyone said you can't hunt with a .25 at 12ftlbs how wrong those people where and I still here it today .25 no point get a .177 or .22 well I have those to but the .25 is my preferred cal and I regularly take rabbits at 40 yards with my ultra .25 with instant death.
A lot of people have "Opinions" about sub 12 .25 & most of them have never owned one. I started shooting air rifles in 1964 on my grandfathers pig farm. Had lots of ,22 & .177s since, never had a .25 so a couple of years back got a .25 P15. Got used to it ways & i love it. Do pesting out to 25 -30 yards & rabbits hit are DEAD!. Sub 12 .25 is very good.
Im tempted ... and a little lighter pellet would give it a bit flatter trajectory , without compromising too much " thump " .. Mmmm
Have a R10(th), after watching the AAR(on air) review, just would like to say a big Thankyou to Andy for his very accurate review, and iam now really enjoying my BSA R10(th).👌🏼👍
I have a ratworks tuned bsa ultra in 25cal and its amazing. Produces 11.3-4ftlb with h@nftt at 19.9 grains and 11.6-7ftlb with jsb at 25 grain. 5p groups at 45m range with both using a pard 008lrf. I regularly head shoot crows etc at my permission at 47metre (barn roof). Drops corvids etc so hard.
Hi Andy, preaching to the converted, I have an R10TH and would never give it up. Open up the case, it always makes me smile as it is beautiful to look at let alone use. Interesting review for me concerning the accuracy of pelletsvslugsvweights which has convinced me that my .22 version is right for me and paper targets. Thanks for yet another interesting review. Stay safe.
Great episode, I love BSA. Unfortunately no supplies bringing them into Canada anymore ☹️
Great icing on the cake in anticipation for my R10s arrival in 2 days, thanks to you and your review on it.!
Wish I could get back into shooting, it’s been nearly 20 years since I last picked up a rifle for target shooting
You can get a decent New springer for around £150 if You look about , and there is an Hatsan springer which gets some excellent revues for around £100 or less if You shop around . Then there is always the second hand section in most Gun shops where bargains can be had if Your patient and selective .
I am the proud owner of the Gammo Phox (BSA) and also the R10 TH, both in 2.2 and I absolutely love using them both. I very much enjoy your AAR on air Andy, keep up the great work.
Absolutely beautiful looking rifle, especially the stock. The best I've ever seen. Very reliable workmanship.
You haven't seen the HW100 kt laminate stock then.
What I miss in all vids are penetration tests with wood 6x4.
If I would buy a PCP then penetration power on 25-100 meters is key. So .25 JSB Exact King Heavy MKII & Zan Slugs are the only ones I use 1000-1150 fps.
Thank you for very interesting and informative review. With a posable lead ban creeping up on us, it would have been Interesting to see how .25 lead free pellet performed in the sub 12 FP R10
I like BSA I own 2 Ultras, .22 and 177. I also like that German make of air rifle that use the record trigger, I have 2 of those as well both are HW80’s in 177 and 22 I must be lucky as I have never experienced problems with these 4 rifles.
BSA and Gamo make fantastic rifles and guns. Anything made in volume is going to have a few duds. Gamo and BSA know and acknowledge these problems and resolve them immediately.
I have been interested in how .25 would work in a FAC air rifle, so I found this video very interesting. A comparison of relative bullet (pellet) drop over distances would be interesting though.
LOVE your 'field ' chat...*mind you, I love the stuff your write and read in the studio...buttt* like your more informal banter on the range ! keep up the awesome videos and thank you very much for the valuable insight into the various airgun 'stuffs'!
I have an R10 SE and love it, so accurate, so when I saw Ted's holdover shoot a fly on his target @30 . I had to try, let's say my fly won't be having any children in the future.
Zans slugs are really good and dood price. I use them in my hw 100 and my mate uses them in his fx impact. And another in his fx mav. So accurate
The more I watch you review BSA air rifles, the more jealous I get that I don't have one! Great review Andy, you definitely enjoyed this one!
The grey stock is 🔥🔥🔥😍💯 The energy retention on the 33.95s is impressive and leaves me with a lot more confidence at distances out to 100 yards. I push them at 900 FPS in my LCS and they are very accurate as well. Gotta try the Grizzly rounds soon. Great information. Thank you.
When you have got the "Please" bit working it would be a great master class for all of us , of how to get this to work domestically 🤣 great review thanks
That black pepper stock is gorgeous!
I NEEED one. Tho personally i prefere the regular wooden brown stock. Just give it a tiny bit of a touch of wood oil to get the grain to pop a touch more, and i'd be more than happy with it.
Great show as always, it not only the gun that sells but customer relations , also they have that heritage dating back to Second World War, as most shooters including myself I started with BSA back 40 plus years ago and had no problems with their guns then and it good to know that it has continued and as my dad used to say buy British buy quality keep it up BSA
Way beyond the ww2, matey!
An R10 is definitely on the dream list!
Morning Andy, Another great show as usual I've had my R10mkII for a long time now and like you say they just keep working. Mine is used for the hunting side of things and for target I use my M3 however I don't use the BSA scope as I like to be able to get a little closer view so I use the Vector optics scopes, Which in my opinion are great value and very clear optics. Keep up the good work promoting the sport because gun shops seem to be disappearing, My local one here in Berkshire is closing down which is a shame as they have been here for over 50 years.
Hi Andy,
Thankyou for another fantastic air rifle review. I wasn't expecting it, so a lovely surprise.
I love your humour, especially when you talked about having four air rifles, having had issues with all of them, their manufacturers' name beginning with D!
No disrespect to anyone, it was just a lighthearted giggle.
The fact is, few things in life run smoothly. When goods are made/manufactured, there's always the possibility of issues. I've had them myself. If we are lucky and the manufacturer takes on their responsibility to put things right, I think thats fair enough, and we can't ask for much more, although not the best scenario.
I have been wondering about applying for FAC licence Andy, and have made up my mind with your review.
I think I will stay as I am, and put all my energy into being as good as I can be with my sub 12ftlb and knowing where my .177 pellet is going to be at different distances. I think for me personally at this stage of my shooting, I would rather try and be much more accurate with what I am currently using, rather than jump in the oceans and not know where I am.
I found your review, Andy, very helpful and your humour priceless, lol. I, too, think the BSA's are gorgeous and love the fact they are British and steeped in history. The black pepper stock looks gorgeous, absolutely fantastic, no question. However, I just couldn't be parted from my walnut. It would have to be parted from the death grips of my corpse, lol!
Very best wishes, Andy, take care!
Hi Andy I’ve watched a few vid’s now and have subscribed to the channel … my point being, is I watch, and before I no it’s finished … I have no knowledge about any of the airguns, but the narrative, enthusiasm & explanation, the time just fly’s by … thx & keep on making the videos …😃
Great review as usual. Love the black pepper finish and I am the lucky owner of a BSA 160th CLX in Black Pepper. Simply fabulous.
Still on the look out for a decent scope for it though.
The market is just changing, personally don’t see any point buying a .25 that doesn’t have atleast 65-70fpe
Im with you, have my 25 cal impact mk 3 spitting out 26,5 Hades @ 1050 fps which is 66 ft lbs and Im accurate at 100 yrds. Im shooting foxes, coyotes, beavers, raccoons, and deer with that type of power. Im not wasting that type of power on a sparrow, or robin.
@@anthonygillespie7233 right on! I’m pushing 90fpe with my .25 maverick. 43.5G nsa slugs. Also have a Vulcan 3 in .30 cal pushing 120fpe running 59grain Zans 978fps. Constantly shooting birds and squirrels past 200 yards and even got a yotie at 180 yards
@@Oregon-airguns Pretty good power, what your barrel length, and have you added any other upgrades to your guns ?
At those levels just get a .22 RF - cheaper, lighter, no bottles and shot count to worry about and much less fuss all round. At 30/40 ftlb the air rifle wins hands down - much more versatile. There are a very few shots with my rimfire that I couldn’t have taken with my FAC but loads of shots I take with my FAC that I wouldn’t dream of taking with a Rimfire for safety reasons.
@@grahamedwards9920 That's the good part of shooting pcps. The shots you wouldn't take I can because I can adjust my power levels. Besides, its fun to just shoot without people being afraid because they hear gun fire, and also when hunting you don't scare off the intended prey. Just the fact that these guns can do what rim fire rifles can do is amazing.
Great video review Andy both rifles to me look like a fine piece of jewelry and shoot very well and I agree the Hades pellets are a perfect match. Cheers brother
Ive had numerous airguns over the years. Always loved my BSA products .... Had the R10 in pepper stock and Ultra SE. Both great fun, especially the Ultra. Never had issues with any gun though. Great review by the way.
Another fabulous,and very interesting review. Thank you Andy and team.
Big thumbs up for the audio quality! 30 minutes review i wish it was an hour long, keep it up!
Andy, one of your best videos to date, you are becoming one of our top Air Rifle video producer's, well done.!
Southampton UK 🇬🇧
Hi Andy, I recently got a R-TEN 177 walnut in sub 12, it's a great gun and paired with a hawk sidewinder shoots great out to 50 yards on the range. I would recommend it to anyone, However it is better with the single shot tray than the magazine that can deform pellets.
Great review thanks 👍🥸
Dang….good shooting Andy. Thanks for another fine review. I always like the vids where you demo some shooting.
One question that’s hung around since I started watching your cancel all those years ago is! How come you don’t review many FX rifles? I’m pretty sure I’ve only seen you review the dreamline and two impacts! I’d be interested to know the reason or what you think of them. Hope your all well 👍🏻
Good point. I have owned a Boss 30cal for quite a few years, which is a lovely, punchy, accurate and now overlooked gun. Don't think you've tested that.
Nice question. Maybe there are other channels for their market.
Hi Andy,
Thank you for another great review. There's obviously a lot to think about when considering FAC.
Alot of people think more power is the be all end all. However, like you said Andy, out at those distances, you've got wind age and accuracy and not the fore gone conclusion some people may think.
I will never sell my BSA ultra se and R12 laminate stock, I have a HW100 and as good as they are I still think the little ultra and R12 blind it. Also can't wait to receive my edgun leshiy 2 soon. I think it's the most fun gun on the market specially with the repeated shot count.
love my R10 in midnight blue
The only thing I can say is that the fac was rather slow out of the box. You really want to be in the mid 800’s to get the best out of the pellet. Can it be adjusted?
Unfortunately it's seems everything quality has a price, but there is a price above quality where it is just bling not purpose, BSA/GAMO are the quality without being bling and its those that perform much better, and it's British.
Lovely reveiw Andy.
That grey laminate stock is gorgeous. Maybe have to start saving up.
Lovely, thanks for showing them 👍👍👍
Wonder if my super 10 would fit that stock ???
I agree with you on having a bolt action Andy. Andy are BSA guns very reliable and dependable as you say buddy. Because I might be interested in buying one some day.
Great video as always, I would try some zan slugs in 177, they expand so so well
I miss my R10, may have to save up and see about getting my fac ,and then see about the new R10, but in .22. Thanks for a great review.
Im sorry to say that my R10 mk2 has been not as i expected with the regulator sticking and orings needing replaced two or three times. Ive had bsa since 1970 and this is the first one ive had anything but the best.......must have been a bad day mine came out. When its working well ive never had a gun that will put shot after shot on the same point
HI ANDY. I SHOOT A LOT OF RATS ON PIG FARMS AND I SHOOT OUT TO 30YDS WITH MY .25 CAL WITH NO PROBLEM. I HAVE A NUMBER OF RIFLES IN .177CAL AND .22CAL BUT THE .25 CAL HITS RATS LIKE A SLEDGEHAMMER IT SPINS THEM AROUND AND THEY GO WITH A RIGHT POP WHEN HIT. THERE ARE SOME VIDS OUT THAT ARE SAYING THAT THE RATS HEAR THE 25 CAL COMING AND BECAUSE OF THE SLOWER SPEED OF THE PELLETS. AND THE RATS MOVE BEFORE IMPACT
My theoben rapid .25 fac is a sweet rifle.
Andy, I've had an idea for yourself videos. If you could put your targets into a printer you could print the gun, pellet and range info on them so we always know what we're watching if we missed the info in your commentary. May be useful to you when editing your video as well.
One more idea is at the end of each year you could post a slide show of the whole year's test targets so you can have some time off around Christmas from making time consuming content.
Keep up the great work, I look forward to your videos every week.
Great vidio aar.i have a bsa r10 regulated and like you I've had no problems in the ten that I've had always had bsa guns since I was a kid they just fantastic.
Must be a typo in your script. About 5:10 in you quote weights of 300Kg + !!! Love the channel. Love the reviews. Stay safe shoot safe.
I love the dark look of that stock. I have a BSA ultra. And I have no reason to get a new Gunn. But if I ever do. It will 100 000000 % lol. Be an . BSA R10 👍
Wow, those guns are as heavy as ten boxes that you might be moving!
BSA is my favorite brand........🎯👍
Very good & informative video Andy...i appreciate the time you put into making these video's (being a you tuber myself)...all the best & shoot safe and straight ! Gordon.
I have had my s410 for years and love it but time has come . The passion you have for this gun I have for mine but I think an r10 in .22 is comming to me very soon
Thank you 😊
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Hi Andy. Really like your show. I also like the . bsa r10. Mine loves the .22 hades. I had mine tuned by the Ratworks when the regulator stopped working. It is like a laser beam now. I cannot believe how accurate it is. But my .177 bsa ultra shoots like a shotgun with the hades, very strange. Thanks again
If you want to shoot .25 FAC then FX guns are the way to go . ZAN slugs are far cheaper and better in all the FAC guns I have tried
A very insightful review for what I think are somewhat niche markets. BSA? Top quality at a reasonable price. I have two R10s - an old one updated with a HUMA regulator and a 160 Commemorative (smiley face).
it will be interesting to see how the lead ban will affect 25 in the sub 1lb
18:23 Yes it's pronounced 'pile arm', no doubt named after the BSA 'Piled Arms' logo. Another great review, I have an R10TH in .177 and an R10 SE in .22 and love them both.
I want one after that review. I love that black pepper stock. 😍
there's nothing like a long smooth bolt action 😍
Morning Andy, Brilliant show as always.
Fabulous video and so enlightening,you are so appreciated for all your wonderful work for our sport👍
Bought r10 realtree supercarbine 177 brand new, took it to the range 2mags x10 pellets seal went, sent back to bsa 2 weeks later got it back reg went, back to bsa another 2 weeks got it back, mag release clip jammed un able to load back to bsa another 2weeks got it back and would not group to save its life back to the shop for money back best steer clear of the r10 not worth the money or rhe hassle that comes with them.
From what heard before, them Grizzlys mostly do not somehow suit most airguns. But all of these pellets were well good enough.
I have the r10th in 22 12ft/b and it loves the hades grouping is pellet on pellet at 20mtrs really fancy the fac one now 👍
Hi Andy if possible could you do a review on the .177 Rainson Edge please.
I really enjoyed the video.. Thanks.. I have a Gamo Urban and I really enjoy shooting it, but I think these are definitely sweet looking..
Beautiful looking guns. I way prefer wooden stocks to something that looks like a Johnnie 7 gun.
Barring in mind is 50 metres… not than bad…. Heavy helps, but slow is a a drag… 👍
Skip the slugs though…
BSA guns are awesome.......
Always a great channel to watch and thanks 👍🏻
Over here the dealers stopt stocking bsa lot of leaking problems
Great show, Andy! I feel sorry for you Brits needing a license for an air gun... I how you guys can get that sorted out someday soon. Ooooohhhhh! Minelli walnut....! Pretty! 😜🤤
Changing the subject slightly Andy, but have you done a review/test of an Ultra SE in .25 calibre please,I’ve just bought a second hand one and I would like to know more about it,thanks regards Phil
Hey Andy. BSA do not offer those FAC models on their site. They have a ‘high power’ offering that is no way as close in power the one you review. What’s the story?
Best content on air rifles, not many channels have this kind of professionalism. Been around for quite some, you are my favorite youtuber on air rifles I really enjoy the videos.
Lately I've been looking at air rifles to upgrade from my springer .177 Gamo hunter 1250 and I've gone from wanting to buy another break barrel, to wanting a fixed barrel, but looking at power and accuracy ending up to wanting pcp air rifles.
I don't know what I should get. I like shooting at long distances, most pcp guns that I want are .22, I own a .177 break barrel and I want a bigger punch something like .25 or
.30 that can make that 100yard distance.
Any advice is much appreciated.
Perfect air rifles for the weight lifters amongst us then.
A, B, C, Daystate...
Ahh I can only dream of such classy rifles anymore, but at least they can't put up the price of those dreams. Soo with you on the bolt action. Very Nice Andy keep the Great Content Flowing 👍👍
Ah what’s up doc ! 🐇 looks like a winner love BSA . Thanks Andy !
Nice revue & comparison of the sub 12lb & the FAC version . Perhaps this is a silly question , but would the BSA .25 FAC be powerful enough to take a Fox at close (sub 25 yards) or would You need something up in the AGT level or even more . Thanks to all in the Team for the video , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
If in the UK, I doubt your FEO would allow you to have Fox on a FAC air rifle slot. 22LR is only acceptable at short distance.
@@ianvincent4911 My reasoning is I have a small permission where I can take rabbits & tree rats with My sub 12lb air rifle , but there are several foxes that the owner says prey on his chickens and have killed at least a couple of cats from the nearby caravan site, naturally he'd like to get rid of them . Problem is it's very close to a caravan site and is only about 75 yards from side to side and naturally I'm concerned about ricochet from a rim fire , and a possible solution could be an FAC airgun .These foxes are brazen (semi urban) and I've seen them walk within 20 yards or so of Me , they glance casually at me and the land owner, then just stroll off seemingly without a care in the world looking for the next easy meal .
@@richarddixon7276 I don't disagree with your reasoning, the problem is the home office approved calibres/weapons per quarry table in the back of the firearms guidance. FEOs are sticklers for it, as they then cannot be brought to task for following it. In your case, maybe a silenced shotgun with buckshot might be an option. FEOs also love recommending 17hmr, due to the alleged ricochet reduction.
Great Review ! Thank you !