As much as I loved Simm's Master, I truly feel the top two spots should've been flipped. Michelle Gomez as Missy was intense and nuanced in ways even Simm couldn't reach. That said, as the NuWho Masters go, shuffling their seats a bit is no insult, as each of them were mesmerizing from word one. I really wish we'd gotten more time with Jacobi's Master on the small screen, his energy was amazing and I feel he could've raised up the ranks further if we got to see more of him. (Yes, I know he did some audio dramas, but it's not quite the same, is it?)
I'd put the OG Master, Delgado, at the top, but I'd be hard pressed to sort Gomez vs SImm for number 2. I grew up with Ainley's Master but he's just to over the top to break top 3 for me (not his fault at all and when Survival finally gave him the chance to go as dark as he wanted he absolutely rises to the occasion) .
Really it comes down to this - when Simm was on screen, I was entertained. When Gomez was on screen, I was riveted. With all due respect to Delgado who will always be the original, my top three would have been 1) Gomez 2) Jacobi 3) Simm. Jacobi won that spot with one line alone. The way he delivered "I am the Master" before electrocuting Chantho is forever burned into my brain.
Sacha Dhawan and Bradley Walsh are the best parts of the 13th Doctor's tenure. And as much I love John Sim's Master, my vote's gotta go to Michelle Gomez, she KILLED IT.
Michelle Gomez' Missy is the stuff Doctor Who - and the world, for that matter - needs more of. An absolute delight and my favorite incarnation thus far.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Let's agree to disagree, I believe she brought much needed character development to what was becoming a tired and predictable character
Derek Jack-O-be, famed British actor, known for grand roles in Shakespearen plays. Derek Ja-Co-Be, the guy who probably runs a bit of a dodgy chippy on the wrong side of the tracks.
Personal favorite scene with John Simm's Master was after Lucy shot him and he refuses to regenerate, he said to the Doctor "I win." Allowing himself to die and refusing to regenerate out of essentially spite and to not have to be always with the Doctor and considering it a win, beautiful.
The thing that I liked about Roger Delgado is that he doesn't really look like a bad guy,not at first sight, he reminds me of a therapist or psychiatrist and that's what makes him even scarier. He looks like some one that wants to help you... But watch out!!
With Missy I felt she was more suited to be the Rani and I loved that. John While great did not scare me like Delgado did. I felt that the Doctor could beat this master. Delgado felt like he was close to the upper hand. He truly felt equal to the doctor in the same token. I know it’s a matter of opinion, but to have him be so low was a discredit to the character itself.
She turned it up to 11 and was great. Sacha Dhawan tried to turn it up to 20 and completely blew a fuse for me. Just one more thing wrong with the Chibnall era.
Katy Manning said that when Delgado was doing the hypnotism scene with her, she actually felt herself almost going into a trance while looking into his eyes. He was brilliant in everything he did.
Trust me, you'll have a better opinion of the Derek Jacobi master if you listened to the war master bug finish series, the man needs to be in the main tv series again
I love the visual of the Master and Missy dancing together on a rooftop (in a city that blends the 1920's industrial look with futuristic sci-fi qualities) beneath a an orange-redish sky.
one of the most underrated master scenes is in the end of time pt 2 when he kinda calms down and tells wilf about the time lord initiation and the never ending drums
“I can’t decide whether you should live or die oh you’ll probably go to heaven so don’t hang your head and cry no wonder why my heart is dead inside it’s cold and hard and petrified so lock the doors and close the blinds we’re going for a ride”
_Oh I could throw you in a lake,_ _Or feed you poisoned birthday-cake,_ _I won’t deny; I’m gonna miss you when you’re gone..._ _Oh I would bury you alive,_ _But you might crawl out with a knife_ _And kill me when I’m sleeping THAT’S WHY!_
Gotta give it to Missy. She was just so much fun. From her dark intro to her iffy redemption, it was such a ride. And her quirk and charm was just so much fun.
I grew up with the Anthony Ainley version, but both John Simm and Michelle Gomez were brilliant. Also regarding Missy, she was how you change the sex of a Timelord done right.
For me I’m very torn between Michelle Gomez and Sacha Dhawan for the best.... Michelle had an epic arc and storyline that kept me hooked to her throughout but Sacha was so complex and for me showed the true insanity of The Master... I really hope they bring Sacha’s incarnation back
I have always loved every moment the master has revealed themselves to the doctor and the look of betrayal, shock and terror on the doctor’s face when they realise who they have really been dealing with. The master is just that, master of disguise, manipulation and hypnosis which is the true theme of the character.
Simm's Master was underrated AF, I'm glad he was given the number 1. Say what you want about certain parts of his incarnation, I think he was written masterfully. Constantly one step ahead of the Doctor and only lost because of his obsession with torturing the Doctor, the only time a villain has had this level of power against the Doctor was with the Daleks. While Missy had a better arc, Simm's Master was a perfect mirror image of the Doctor. Also, regarding Sacha Dhawan's Master, he performed it amazingly too, but his writing was not nearly as good. He was given the most cliche lines for a villain and he has been lacking a real level of power against the Doctor since Spyfall part 1. I'd honestly love it if Dhawan's Master was the cause of Whittaker regenerating into a new incarnation, because that'd give him a victory over the Doctor which he sorely needs to be considered on the levels of Simm and Gomez (also, fix that bloody Timeless Child arc, Chibnall).
@@Themineccraftkid I think Jodie Whittaker is a great actress, but I don't think she can play the Doctor (baring in mind it's incredibly difficult to portray a character so complex, and only the best have been able to pull it off in New Who, such as Capaldi, Smith and Tennant)
Complain about Sacha Dhawan being given bad writing (which is the only argument when discussing movies/TV these days....) but defend the absolutely shitty finale of series 3 where The Doctor is rejuvinated by "enough people thinking about him" and then reversing the events of the Master's invasion in the most uncreative way ever. If that came out during Chibnall's tenure people would rip it to shreds. (Oh and John Simm was a great master nonetheless! Loved his chemistry with Michelle Gomez)
@@KasCalwein Don't get me wrong, the S3 finale was trash for that moment alone. However, S3 also had The Sound of Drums, which truly is where Simm's Master shines, while Dhawan's Master had Spyfall Part 2, an absolute letdown of an episode which only acted as a cheaper version of The Sound of Drums (and pretty much the whole plot of Gallifrey's destruction). In addition, the dialogue Simm was given is vastly better than Dhawan's. With Simm, the dialogue felt natural and had barely anything generic about it (if at all), while Dhawan had "everything's about to change," the most uninteresting and generic dialogue The Master has ever had (disregarding the movie).
Dhawan’s master just never got a chance to breathe. He was just 100% in every scene, but not in a good way. In the scenes that should have given us a chance to see something subtler in his character, we got climax levels of energy. This meant he had no where left to go for the climax scenes so he ended up just being a bit cringe. It doesn’t help he didn’t have another actor to play off of. Jodie’s doctor is just boring next to him and it’s like watching the joker scream at a plank. She doesn’t play off him like the doctor should. She also doesn’t forgive him... that’s a big part of the doctor, they’re always there to catch the master and try. The fact that Jodie just seemed to forget about the redemption arc just makes her look like a dick... it’s worse than master forgetting about his own redemption arc. Chibnall could have really pushed both Doctor and the master to be so much better if he hadn’t just decided that he was too good for new who.
HEY MISSY YOU'RE SO FINE YOU'RE SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND HEY MISSYY!! she's my fave and probably will forever be my favourite incarnation of the master
Agreed. Everything the other actors have put into the role has roots in the character as portrayed by Delgado. And note that the new series is based around making everything 'epic'... 'epic' characters, 'epic' stakes, 'epic' storylines. That sort of thing is a gift for an actor, you just make everything bigger and more extreme. Delgado fleshed out the character to that fantastic degree with straightforward 'monster of the week' storylines, and in doing so elevated the already excellent Pertwee and the whole of Who around him.
"ra ra rasputinnnn, lover of the russian queen, it was a shame how he carried onnnnnnnnnn" my favourite master scene, not because it was cool or anything, its just so f-cking funny
Yeah, i can see how people might not like either Jacobi or Beevers as much as the others if they've not experienced the Big Finish stuff, Jacobi is a brutal incarnation capable of making people think he's a sweet innocent old man before destroying everything they know or love, or manipulating innocent people into making his plans succeed. Beevers does the cold, calculated but angry incarnation so well, he feels like he would kill you without thought, but isn't as openly psychotic and it's chilling.
You'd think that he would have listened to a ton of Big Finish while writing scripts for videos. It would open up his mind so much. And give him so much to talk about.
With Sacha, you're missing the undertones of love, hate, wit, and deep history friendship (messed up as it is) like with Michelle (Missy) & John Simm (Master). 1 & 2 are the best, although in reversed position for my viewing pleasure ;)
I feel like we're missing something important about what makes a good rendition of "The Master". And that is, how bonkers crazy is the evil scheme that they're running? -John Simm 1: "Becoming Prime Minister and taking over the world". A little traditional as far as villainy goes, but he gets extra points for how he was able to do all of this under The Doctor's nose for the whole series, and just how successful he was, even if it was all undone. Plus, something extra cold-blooded about using the last of humanity as his muscle. Solid B+ -John Simm 2: "Creating The Master Race" Absolutely top-notch villainy. Both incredibly ego-centric and a very solid plan overall. If he didn't feel the need to try and bring back The Time Lords too, he'd probably still be running Earth. A+ -"Missy": "Using Dying Minds to Create a Cyberman Army" I never really understood this plan, and I think that's mostly because at this point in the series, Cybermen felt really worn out. I like the scale of this plan and distorting the idea of heaven for such evil is on brand, but it doesn't quite gel together. Plus, giving the whole army to The Doctor is kind of lame even though she's clearly aiming to corrupt him. B - -John Simm 3: "Genesis of the Cybermen I guess?" I say I guess because I really don't know what his plan was. I guess he hid himself in plain sight from people who didn't know him, then he created some Cybermen I guess. But then The Doctor immediately makes the plan backfire and both renditions of The Master have to deal with the episodes' true villains: Cybermen and time dilation. Pity that this was the note he went out on. D- -Sasha Dhawan 1: "Spymaster". Weirdly, I don't really remember what his overall plan was regarding those weird light creatures and that tech billionaire except that he was using them to get what he wanted only to eventually betray them. To me, the real villain plan was when he was discovered as "O" and spent the whole episode hiding in plain sight. I honestly like to imagine that he had a backup plan at every stage of his deceit and when he was found out on the plane he was like, alright, perfect time to activate this plane bomb I planted just in case. Plus, he took so much glee in outsmarting The Doctor that that alone earns him some points. B+ -Sasha Dhawan 2: "Cyber Time Lords". Say what you will about the episode, but the idea of taking dead Time Lord bodies and hooking them up with Cybermen to make a near invincible army is evil genius. This took a lot of legwork to make happen from taking out all of Gallifrey single-handedly (which is absurd, but given these other schemes here... totally in his wheelhouse), luring The Cybermen and shattering The Doctor's understanding of reality while keeping her imprisoned to witness his glory. All great villainous stuff. Solid A. And there we have it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk...
Delgado will always be number 1 and not to sound rude but I feel like most people who put a modern Master/Doctor first have never seen the Classic show.
I mean I'm not familiar with Delgado's Master but I know for a fact that he probably be my favorite Classic Master for behind the scenes reasons alone. I would like to see some episodes of Delgado in action. May he rest in peace. Even then I like all the modern Masters from Jacobi to Dhawan. Delgado is still up there for starting it all. Gomez for me takes the top spot since she was a unique twist of the character mainly because of her writing and her arc in series 10. Dhawan is also great, and was the best thing Chibnail invented for the show since Brian Williams.
@@CalBurnsMedia if you look on the TARDIS Fandom website (which is essentially the Doctor Who-wiki), it says that the Curator is the Doctor. I believe that the Day of the Doctor-novelisation also confirmed it *(Here the page by the way: **tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Curator)*
The 'death' scene between Missy and Simm's Master was superb. It was the absolute ideal vehicle to demonstrate their total narcissism AND self-hatred simultaneously. Sacha's Master seems to be more of 'The Joker' to me. Even down to the purple coat. I don't like it. Delgado will forever be the true Master.
Delgado was great, but a lot of his stories were kind of "lather, rinse, repeat". He'd assume some alias based on his name. Get involved with helping whatever the story's threat was. He'd plan on betraying and take over, only to be betrayed himself. Ultimately, he has to help the Doctor clean up his mess
I think Sacha might actually be my favorite Master as a singular character, and it hurts to hear how much he actually struggled with self confidence and anxiety surrounding the role. But Michelle is so close in 2nd that when you pair her with Capaldi who is my favorite Doctor, her run wins over all. I think maybe something happened after Missy regenerated into Sacha's Master, something in the Matrix asides from the stuff about the Timeless Child that had the Master feeling betrayed. I mean he feels betrayed about the whole TC thing itself, but something even deeper.
Sasha's Master is a brilliant performance in an otherwise mostly meh to outrageously bad series...he's basically going through the same BS as Anthony Ainly in that regard. Brilliant character, brilliant performance, godawful writing.
At least at this point, technically, we don't actually know if Dhawan's Master IS after Missy. It's one of the things about the Master as an occasional presence in the Doctor's main story - unless we specifically see the Regen (like Yana or Tremas) or are given a specific chronology - we can never be ENTIRELY sure where we are in the Master's lives.
John Simm is my favorite as well, but I haven't had the opportunity to watch classic Who, so I haven't seen the older versions of the character. One thing I would like to point out; Derek Jacobi is still around and still acting, so I still cling to the hope that his incarnation may yet be seen again.
I've only seen the new stuff, so I'm very much agreeing with having John Simm and Michelle Gomez at the top. John's Matser was insane but calculating, and had a manic energy that served to show how much he was a mirror of the doctor. Missy's flamboyant love of chaos mixed well with her "redemption arc", making her very well rounded as a character. Them killing each other and then laughing their asses off at how they "always stab themselves in the back" was a perfect and direct metaphor for their character, while also serving as the moment of realization that led one to become the other. Then Sacha Dhawan came along, and... well... all I can say is that he did a great job of salvaging a badly written character. Great acting, crappy plot. Now if it were to be revealed that he was actually an incarnation that came BETWEEN John and Michelle, it might make a bit more sense, but if he really does come after Missy, then he was just a complete backstep in The Master's character development.
For me it’s a tie between Gomez and Delgado for the number one spot. Dhawan is number two because of the fact he managed the murderous energy with the sense of pettiness and entitlement with a hint of maniac energy. Derek Jacobi is three for his masterful (excuse the pun) performance in such a short time. Simm and Ainley are tied in four. Simm was alright but the campiness kind of annoyed me slightly. Same goes with Ainley. Totally agree with the last two on your list.
I like Sasha’s Master a lot he’s great. I hope they fit him into continuity before Missy though cuz it’s still not worth ruining her redemption. Although kinda think he does anyway cuz she’s like…well…dead.
Great idea for a cb/comic book crossover: "Doctor Who (3rd,4th,7th,9th,10th & 11th regenerations)...meets Batman"; the Joker teams up with the Master (the Anthony Ainley version) v the Rani.
My favorite is Sacha Dhawan. I love every scene he played. He’s brilliant imo. I like the 13th Doctor/Master chemistry the best. Season 12 gave us a look at [what is left of] their friendship and that the Doctor still trusts the Master and vis versa.
Before I watched this I just KNEW either Gomez or Simm would be ranked as the best and the other one as the second best. I just loved them both so much! Simm's master was crazy and he was just that villain you must love. As for Missy, she was fuckin awesome and my favourite! I wasn't sure when would it go with the Master that wants to redeem herself but she played it so well. And when I watched that finale with both Masters it felt like Heaven. Can't decide if it's the characters who are the best or the actors!
I think Michelle was the best Master, then Sasha, and then John. John Simm was good in Utopia, Sound of Drums, and the Last of the Time Lords but his performance in The End of Time was slow and unnecessarily weird and just didn't have the Dr-Evil-Vibe while watching him.
Gotta say, it will always be John Simm for me. For all the reasons mentioned. He was perfection. Humourous, dangerous, witty, smart, energetic, scary, and completely bonkers. And a legitimate foil for the Doctor (and acting-wise, for David Tennant). The Masters before him were too campy and arch for me, and everyone after John Simm seemed to be trying a little too hard.
I am with this worst-to-best list 100%. Sad to see the non-canonical Master played in 1996 by Jonathan Pryce was omitted. Should have at least been an honorable mention. He was at least as good as Ainley.
i almost completely disagree with this list. in order of last to first. 8.pratt. 7.beavers. 6. jacobi. 5. roberts. 4. simm(definitely not #1, altho he probably wishes he were) 3. gomez. 2. delgado. 1.ainley(altho beating delgado was no small feat and no other master to my knowledge did it.) i didn't rank the new 1 because i never saw any episodes with him.
My Ranking: 1. Roger Delgado 2. John Simm 3. Michelle Gomez 4. Anthony Ainley 5. Sacha Dhawan 6. Derek Jacobi 7. Peter Pratt/ Geoffrey Beevers 8. Eric Roberts
Missy add a “Joker-esque” characteristic to the master. She was as unpredictable as the Joker on Batman The Animated Series. Also, In my opinion, Her best, most defining, speech was in “The Lie of the Land”. She basically told the Doctor that he needed to redefine his perception of “Good” when looking at her, because she was going to be her own person, and that person was not going to have his sentimentality.
@@SmallWorldFilms I agree Missy was different and better because didn't just want to beat the dr. She also wanted to have fun which just makes her seem more understandable than other incarnations
@@oliverholland1205 No he didn’t. He brought life to the character, but he was more like.....The Penguin. Missy was both unpredictable and funny. We are talking about someone who turned all the dead into Cybermen just to give the Doctor a birthday gift. The Joker in BatMan TAS did something similar. He kidnapped people and hijacked the Gotham TV airways just to give Batman a Christmas gift that wasn’t even lethal, a pie in the face.
@@deprimiertSchwuchtel Missy, to me, seemed like the only incarnation that was not concerned with either world or galactic domination. She just wanted to cause chaos. Three things I do wonder: 1)What would she have done with a pony if she had gotten it in “Lie of the land”, 2)What would she have done with the Doctor if they “hooked up”, and 3)If she had hooked up with her previous incarnation, what would one call it?
I hope they'll find a way to make Missy the last incarnation of the master. Sasha's version seems like he would happen before Missy. Especially when Missy said the line "I knew the doctor when he was a girl.
Yeah but can we really trust the word of the master? Especially one as kooky as Missy? Besides I don’t see how the doctor stealing the moon or the cloister wars are absurd and inconceivable ideas considering everything that happens in this show. Also I wouldn’t really describe Jodie as a “little girl”
dwarn is the best thing to come out of the recent era of the show, the doctor is an awful "chosen one" character while the master continues to be a great villain
Oh Missy is the best / She's #1 above the rest / Hey, Missy! Seriously, Michelle Gomez switched between crazy, evil, scheming, and a real desire to reconnect with the Doctor - and she was mesmerizing the whole time. She added a new layer to their long rivalry and made us SEE how close she felt to him when they were children together; something I've never felt before she played the character.
Without Roger Delgado’s perfect characterization of the Master it’s likely the character would not have endured. The fact that he’s not at the top of your list says much as to your lack of good taste.
John Simm will always be my number 1 master. After all, he was like a 90s action movie villain combined with a sort of Gary Oldman crazy vibe. Plus his constant fun-loving faux affably evil side was just the king.
The top 3 were never really in question, though for me Missy might edge out even Simm for the top spot. Gomez’s portrayal is, if you’ll excuse the pun, truly masterful
John Simms Master is basically a crazy dude who wants attention, Delgado's Master is a clever and charming, wanting to overcome the Doctor intelectually
Perhaps, for a character with multiple personae, i feel more comfortable to say "Delgado, Simm and Gomez form a perfect triangle of the Master, within that shape is his awesomest self, and outside that triangle, perhaps less impressive avatar constellations
@@NotSoRadical_ that’s why I liked it. He’s over the top and absolutely insane. His cruelty is there. Like for example bringing back the tissue compressor and using it like it’s nothing. Because to him it is nothing
Sasha acts more like childish obsessed fan than typical power hungry saxon in john simm incarnation. Where he loves doctor so much he literally want cause chaos to get her attention
Sacha Dhawan has been the best part of 13th doctor... Still he’s a little bit too much... He’s halfway between john simm’s master and heath ledger’s joker. On paper that should be amazing, but it just felt a bit cringey at times. I think since he didn’t really have anyone to play off of, he just stood out too much. He’s such a big character next to Jodie’s doctor, so he comes across as over the top, like that one kid giving it everything while the rest of the class mumbles their lines. The actor did a great job with what he had, but he needed some more scenes to just breathe, he didn’t need to be 100% in every single scene, it was a bit monotonous at times, and there was nothing new to pull out for the climax scenes... pacing Chibnall!! Chibnall could have made this character so much more complex if he’d remembered the redemption arc, or some of the more subtle characteristics of the master. He could have just made it a but more 3D.
I can't speak to the classic Who masters, but in terms of comparing Michelle Gomez to John Simms, it's not even close. Missy was far and away a better character. Nothing against John Simms, he was fantastic and I enjoyed every time he was on screen, but he was a bit too cartoony. Missy had depth, and while she was a regenerating ageless Time Lady, she was more believable as a person (if that makes sense). The Missy storylines were more engaging, and even as a villainy, she inspired more sympathy, and blurred the lines more between "maybe she's not wrong". I feel like there is too much focus on the Tennant years as the best years, so obviously, the Tennant Master HAS to be the best.
Derek Jacobi was cast in the role and it was a shocker as at the time people knew John Simm had been cast as the Master in season 3. It came out early on John Simm was going to be the Master, so no one expected Jacobi to b revealed as the master. It was only when we saw the same type of watch that we saw Tennant's Doctor use early on in the season that people realised Jacobi Jana was a timelord and the Master. Sacha Dhawan's Master has been confirmed as being after Missy. I did suggest ages ago that it would be better if his Master was between John Simm's Master and Missy as we never actually saw who John Simm's master regenerated into.
@@sarahjacko8316 by then, Zygons had evolved so much that they only needed a memory of the character to shapeshifter into them, so thats how they’d have survived if it was the Zygon-Osgood
Admittedly I'd given up after Bill was added as the companion and knowing John Simm was returning as the master I came back to the show. Can understand wanting that surprise reveal. But can also understand why the BBC did what they did
I absolutely disagree with Simm taking the top spot. I never liked him. Not one bit. I understand that the NuWhovians love him, but Roger Delgado should have been first. He originated the role and created the template for all who were to follow. Of the other new Masters, Michelle Gomez was brilliant and I really enjoyed Sacha Dhawan's take on the character. They both rank above Simm for me. Anthony Ainley should also rank higher. I'd personally put Simm just above the crusty Masters and the Fox Movie version.
Roger Delgado wasn't just the best Master, he also had the best introductory scene of any villain ever. From "I am usually referred to as The Master. Universally." to that finger click as he walks away, the scene is just perfection. His full name was Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto and he was one of the few people who.knew how to put Jon Pertwee's back right. A director once walked into the canteen and found Pertwee face diwn on the floor with Degado standing over him, his foot in the small of Pertwee's back, pulling both arms backwards until there was a loud crack.
Personally feel that no matter who came after. Anthony Ainley is the best Master. I feel after his skeletal shambling phase, something in him got damaged and it shaped him to be even more chaotic than his Roger Delgado incarnation. The New Who's actors are fine but ain't no one do it like Ainley.
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I still love watching missy’s reveal. Such a great scene “couldn’t very well keep calling myself “The Master” now could i?”
One of my fave moments from nu-who - the music makes it too
when she dropped that line my head exploded
They were priming us for Jodie.
@@kevinramsey417 i wish they wrote 13 as well as they did missy
@@stevenle9960 Great point. It's not so much Jodie Whittaker's performance. I've noticed the storylines have gone downhill with the female doctor.
As much as I loved Simm's Master, I truly feel the top two spots should've been flipped. Michelle Gomez as Missy was intense and nuanced in ways even Simm couldn't reach.
That said, as the NuWho Masters go, shuffling their seats a bit is no insult, as each of them were mesmerizing from word one. I really wish we'd gotten more time with Jacobi's Master on the small screen, his energy was amazing and I feel he could've raised up the ranks further if we got to see more of him. (Yes, I know he did some audio dramas, but it's not quite the same, is it?)
I agree with you 100%. I like Simm's Master a lot but the Gomez's master was just... sublime.
I'd put the OG Master, Delgado, at the top, but I'd be hard pressed to sort Gomez vs SImm for number 2. I grew up with Ainley's Master but he's just to over the top to break top 3 for me (not his fault at all and when Survival finally gave him the chance to go as dark as he wanted he absolutely rises to the occasion) .
Agreeeed
Really it comes down to this - when Simm was on screen, I was entertained. When Gomez was on screen, I was riveted. With all due respect to Delgado who will always be the original, my top three would have been 1) Gomez 2) Jacobi 3) Simm. Jacobi won that spot with one line alone. The way he delivered "I am the Master" before electrocuting Chantho is forever burned into my brain.
Sacha Dhawan and Bradley Walsh are the best parts of the 13th Doctor's tenure. And as much I love John Sim's Master, my vote's gotta go to Michelle Gomez, she KILLED IT.
Dhawan was SO good in the role.
Michelle Gomez' Missy is the stuff Doctor Who - and the world, for that matter - needs more of. An absolute delight and my favorite incarnation thus far.
Yet her arc deliberately betrays what makes The Master, The Master. If anything she should have been her own villain.
I want her to come back
Yeah she's brilliant. Especially in the magician's apprentice and witches familiar.
@@DanTheMan2150AD Let's agree to disagree, I believe she brought much needed character development to what was becoming a tired and predictable character
Easily my favourite Master - just so brilliant - oozed evil and had one of best developments in the show
Derek Jack-O-be, famed British actor, known for grand roles in Shakespearen plays.
Derek Ja-Co-Be, the guy who probably runs a bit of a dodgy chippy on the wrong side of the tracks.
Jack-co-be niiiice! 😅
Haha
Derek Yakkabee, according to Mr. Tardis
I was getting annoyed by that to! Am sure Del may have been grinding his teeth over that too
So Mark Gatis, Alex McQueen and James Drefus don't make the cut then?
Personal favorite scene with John Simm's Master was after Lucy shot him and he refuses to regenerate, he said to the Doctor "I win." Allowing himself to die and refusing to regenerate out of essentially spite and to not have to be always with the Doctor and considering it a win, beautiful.
Couldn't get to the end of this video when I saw how criminally low you put Roger Delgado, he was easily the best one!
The thing that I liked about Roger Delgado is that he doesn't really look like a bad guy,not at first sight, he reminds me of a therapist or psychiatrist and that's what makes him even scarier. He looks like some one that wants to help you... But watch out!!
That's actually the basic plot of the Third Doctor serial "The Mind of Evil" starring Roger Delgado as the Master.
Roger Delgado's Master was an icon in Who history, I really would have put him at first, although liking Simm's and Gomez masters a lot
Roger Delgado should be no. 1. He was a Machiavellian schemer. The Master was never meant to be insane, just power hungry!
Being power hungry is what makes you insane. Not just insane clinically, but insane in the eyes of everyone else you try to exert your power over.
But nowadays all villains have to be quirky and excited. Its the future.
Sadly.
Agreed
With Missy I felt she was more suited to be the Rani and I loved that. John While great did not scare me like Delgado did. I felt that the Doctor could beat this master. Delgado felt like he was close to the upper hand. He truly felt equal to the doctor in the same token. I know it’s a matter of opinion, but to have him be so low was a discredit to the character itself.
Delgado was scary because he was so calculated and serene
Missy, in my opinion, is the best incarnation of The Master so far and that's it.
@@rjay235 either Gomez or Delgado should've been number 1, I love Missy, but I get why you think Delgado si better.
@@rjay235 All of them but Missy still my favorite tho.
I absolutetly agree, Missy is my favorite followed up by Sasha Dawan and then Roger Delgado.
There's no other option
Got to agree. Oh, Missy! You're so fine! You're so fine, you blow my mind! Hey Missy! Hey Missy!
Missy is my favorite and it’s not even close. I loved John Simm’s incarnation, but Missy turned everything up to 11.
yes missy is the best
@@coraainslie9293 she's in her own tier list this is an insult trying to compare her
@@billcipher9068 sorry what
Love them all. My top favorite is John Simm’s. My second is the lady that plays Missy.
She turned it up to 11 and was great. Sacha Dhawan tried to turn it up to 20 and completely blew a fuse for me. Just one more thing wrong with the Chibnall era.
For me Roger Delado is was the best master ,the way he would exchange pleasantries with The doctor and then threaten to kill him was brilliant lol.
Katy Manning said that when Delgado was doing the hypnotism scene with her, she actually felt herself almost going into a trance while looking into his eyes.
He was brilliant in everything he did.
@@Benjiesbeenbetter. I went in a trance watching it😂😂😂
Trust me, you'll have a better opinion of the Derek Jacobi master if you listened to the war master bug finish series, the man needs to be in the main tv series again
war master is so good
Absolutely! He's the best of the best of the Masters
I never felt he had enough air time as the Master. They jumped to Simms much too quickly.
I sadly haven't heard any of the war master audios but I loved him on masterful
How could I forget about the war master 🤦♂️
My favorite sceen is the master flirting with him/herself.
I love the visual of the Master and Missy dancing together on a rooftop (in a city that blends the 1920's industrial look with futuristic sci-fi qualities) beneath a an orange-redish sky.
Ohhhh yeaaaah! Well, for me, it’s one of my favorite scenes. In my dirty mind, I pictured the Master and Missy doing 18+ things. Them getting it on. 😏
My favourite thing about this is not being able to explain this to non-Whovian
one of the most underrated master scenes is in the end of time pt 2 when he kinda calms down and tells wilf about the time lord initiation and the never ending drums
Yes!
yes! literally the beating of the drums, my favourite master scene!
“I can’t decide whether you should live or die oh you’ll probably go to heaven so don’t hang your head and cry no wonder why my heart is dead inside it’s cold and hard and petrified so lock the doors and close the blinds we’re going for a ride”
If lies were cats..you'd be a litter!!😀
_Oh I could throw you in a lake,_
_Or feed you poisoned birthday-cake,_
_I won’t deny; I’m gonna miss you when you’re gone..._
_Oh I would bury you alive,_
_But you might crawl out with a knife_
_And kill me when I’m sleeping THAT’S WHY!_
Gotta give it to Missy. She was just so much fun. From her dark intro to her iffy redemption, it was such a ride. And her quirk and charm was just so much fun.
Just as a note: Alex McQueen also voiced a Master incarnation in Big Finish who impersonated the Doctor.
Oh Neilll
Just been listening to him ham it up to perfection in the various Dark Eyes box sets... he is glorious!
Plus James Dreyfus and Milo Parker have both voiced the first incarnation of the master and an alternate universe master was voiced by Mark Gatis
I grew up with the Anthony Ainley version, but both John Simm and Michelle Gomez were brilliant. Also regarding Missy, she was how you change the sex of a Timelord done right.
For me I’m very torn between Michelle Gomez and Sacha Dhawan for the best.... Michelle had an epic arc and storyline that kept me hooked to her throughout but Sacha was so complex and for me showed the true insanity of The Master... I really hope they bring Sacha’s incarnation back
I love Dhawan's reveal, because he cycles through every "Master-ism" in quick succession. He BECOMES the character. It's a remarkable bit of acting.
I have always loved every moment the master has revealed themselves to the doctor and the look of betrayal, shock and terror on the doctor’s face when they realise who they have really been dealing with. The master is just that, master of disguise, manipulation and hypnosis which is the true theme of the character.
Simm's Master was underrated AF, I'm glad he was given the number 1. Say what you want about certain parts of his incarnation, I think he was written masterfully. Constantly one step ahead of the Doctor and only lost because of his obsession with torturing the Doctor, the only time a villain has had this level of power against the Doctor was with the Daleks. While Missy had a better arc, Simm's Master was a perfect mirror image of the Doctor.
Also, regarding Sacha Dhawan's Master, he performed it amazingly too, but his writing was not nearly as good. He was given the most cliche lines for a villain and he has been lacking a real level of power against the Doctor since Spyfall part 1. I'd honestly love it if Dhawan's Master was the cause of Whittaker regenerating into a new incarnation, because that'd give him a victory over the Doctor which he sorely needs to be considered on the levels of Simm and Gomez (also, fix that bloody Timeless Child arc, Chibnall).
Do you at least like Jodie Whittaker as The Doctor?
@@Themineccraftkid I think Jodie Whittaker is a great actress, but I don't think she can play the Doctor (baring in mind it's incredibly difficult to portray a character so complex, and only the best have been able to pull it off in New Who, such as Capaldi, Smith and Tennant)
Complain about Sacha Dhawan being given bad writing (which is the only argument when discussing movies/TV these days....) but defend the absolutely shitty finale of series 3 where The Doctor is rejuvinated by "enough people thinking about him" and then reversing the events of the Master's invasion in the most uncreative way ever. If that came out during Chibnall's tenure people would rip it to shreds.
(Oh and John Simm was a great master nonetheless! Loved his chemistry with Michelle Gomez)
@@KasCalwein Don't get me wrong, the S3 finale was trash for that moment alone. However, S3 also had The Sound of Drums, which truly is where Simm's Master shines, while Dhawan's Master had Spyfall Part 2, an absolute letdown of an episode which only acted as a cheaper version of The Sound of Drums (and pretty much the whole plot of Gallifrey's destruction).
In addition, the dialogue Simm was given is vastly better than Dhawan's. With Simm, the dialogue felt natural and had barely anything generic about it (if at all), while Dhawan had "everything's about to change," the most uninteresting and generic dialogue The Master has ever had (disregarding the movie).
Dhawan’s master just never got a chance to breathe. He was just 100% in every scene, but not in a good way. In the scenes that should have given us a chance to see something subtler in his character, we got climax levels of energy. This meant he had no where left to go for the climax scenes so he ended up just being a bit cringe.
It doesn’t help he didn’t have another actor to play off of. Jodie’s doctor is just boring next to him and it’s like watching the joker scream at a plank. She doesn’t play off him like the doctor should. She also doesn’t forgive him... that’s a big part of the doctor, they’re always there to catch the master and try. The fact that Jodie just seemed to forget about the redemption arc just makes her look like a dick... it’s worse than master forgetting about his own redemption arc. Chibnall could have really pushed both Doctor and the master to be so much better if he hadn’t just decided that he was too good for new who.
HEY MISSY YOU'RE SO FINE YOU'RE SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND HEY MISSYY!!
she's my fave and probably will forever be my favourite incarnation of the master
Roger delgado should be number one. he set the standard, teaching the others how to play the role, and he hasn't been matched.
Agreed. Everything the other actors have put into the role has roots in the character as portrayed by Delgado. And note that the new series is based around making everything 'epic'... 'epic' characters, 'epic' stakes, 'epic' storylines. That sort of thing is a gift for an actor, you just make everything bigger and more extreme. Delgado fleshed out the character to that fantastic degree with straightforward 'monster of the week' storylines, and in doing so elevated the already excellent Pertwee and the whole of Who around him.
"ra ra rasputinnnn, lover of the russian queen, it was a shame how he carried onnnnnnnnnn" my favourite master scene, not because it was cool or anything, its just so f-cking funny
I love Missy as the master and the episodes with Missy and Simm were pure genius
I know it's not the date Delgado died,
But ..
RIP Robert Delagdo (1918-1973)
You can instantly tell that Rich hasn't touched Big Finish the moment he put Jacobi that low
And he pronounced his name wrong too
He also hasn't listened to anything with Beavers. His voice could curdle blood.
I mean it's not like he has to either
Yeah, i can see how people might not like either Jacobi or Beevers as much as the others if they've not experienced the Big Finish stuff, Jacobi is a brutal incarnation capable of making people think he's a sweet innocent old man before destroying everything they know or love, or manipulating innocent people into making his plans succeed. Beevers does the cold, calculated but angry incarnation so well, he feels like he would kill you without thought, but isn't as openly psychotic and it's chilling.
You'd think that he would have listened to a ton of Big Finish while writing scripts for videos.
It would open up his mind so much.
And give him so much to talk about.
With Sacha, you're missing the undertones of love, hate, wit, and deep history friendship (messed up as it is) like with Michelle (Missy) & John Simm (Master). 1 & 2 are the best, although in reversed position for my viewing pleasure ;)
I loooove Sachas Master. He is just so sweet and totaly scary at the same time ^^
I feel like we're missing something important about what makes a good rendition of "The Master". And that is, how bonkers crazy is the evil scheme that they're running?
-John Simm 1: "Becoming Prime Minister and taking over the world". A little traditional as far as villainy goes, but he gets extra points for how he was able to do all of this under The Doctor's nose for the whole series, and just how successful he was, even if it was all undone. Plus, something extra cold-blooded about using the last of humanity as his muscle. Solid B+
-John Simm 2: "Creating The Master Race" Absolutely top-notch villainy. Both incredibly ego-centric and a very solid plan overall. If he didn't feel the need to try and bring back The Time Lords too, he'd probably still be running Earth. A+
-"Missy": "Using Dying Minds to Create a Cyberman Army" I never really understood this plan, and I think that's mostly because at this point in the series, Cybermen felt really worn out. I like the scale of this plan and distorting the idea of heaven for such evil is on brand, but it doesn't quite gel together. Plus, giving the whole army to The Doctor is kind of lame even though she's clearly aiming to corrupt him. B -
-John Simm 3: "Genesis of the Cybermen I guess?" I say I guess because I really don't know what his plan was. I guess he hid himself in plain sight from people who didn't know him, then he created some Cybermen I guess. But then The Doctor immediately makes the plan backfire and both renditions of The Master have to deal with the episodes' true villains: Cybermen and time dilation. Pity that this was the note he went out on. D-
-Sasha Dhawan 1: "Spymaster". Weirdly, I don't really remember what his overall plan was regarding those weird light creatures and that tech billionaire except that he was using them to get what he wanted only to eventually betray them. To me, the real villain plan was when he was discovered as "O" and spent the whole episode hiding in plain sight. I honestly like to imagine that he had a backup plan at every stage of his deceit and when he was found out on the plane he was like, alright, perfect time to activate this plane bomb I planted just in case. Plus, he took so much glee in outsmarting The Doctor that that alone earns him some points. B+
-Sasha Dhawan 2: "Cyber Time Lords". Say what you will about the episode, but the idea of taking dead Time Lord bodies and hooking them up with Cybermen to make a near invincible army is evil genius. This took a lot of legwork to make happen from taking out all of Gallifrey single-handedly (which is absurd, but given these other schemes here... totally in his wheelhouse), luring The Cybermen and shattering The Doctor's understanding of reality while keeping her imprisoned to witness his glory. All great villainous stuff. Solid A.
And there we have it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk...
I feel like Sacha Dawan’s version of the master was somewhat similar to John simm’s first version of the master (as Harold Saxon)
Amazing that Saturday (January 2nd) marks 50 years since the first appearance of the master in terror of the Autons.
Delgado will always be number 1 and not to sound rude but I feel like most people who put a modern Master/Doctor first have never seen the Classic show.
Delgado was my favourite until Dhawan. (My two favourite Doctors are modern Doctors, too - but that didn't happen until Matt Smith took the role).
I mean I'm not familiar with Delgado's Master but I know for a fact that he probably be my favorite Classic Master for behind the scenes reasons alone. I would like to see some episodes of Delgado in action. May he rest in peace.
Even then I like all the modern Masters from Jacobi to Dhawan. Delgado is still up there for starting it all. Gomez for me takes the top spot since she was a unique twist of the character mainly because of her writing and her arc in series 10.
Dhawan is also great, and was the best thing Chibnail invented for the show since Brian Williams.
well you do sound rude so…
Imagine the curator turns out to be the master in a future regeneration
Nice idea, but it has been confirmed that the Curator is a future incarnation of the Doctor... sorry...
@@patchworkfellow where? I haven't seen that, I thought it was just implied
@@CalBurnsMedia if you look on the TARDIS Fandom website (which is essentially the Doctor Who-wiki), it says that the Curator is the Doctor. I believe that the Day of the Doctor-novelisation also confirmed it
*(Here the page by the way: **tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Curator)*
Maybe, The Curator is The Doctor and The Master after FUSION! (-'.')- -('.'-)
@@ZatoichiBattousai this is doctor who not dragon ball
Missy is like an evil mary poppins.
The 'death' scene between Missy and Simm's Master was superb. It was the absolute ideal vehicle to demonstrate their total narcissism AND self-hatred simultaneously.
Sacha's Master seems to be more of 'The Joker' to me. Even down to the purple coat. I don't like it.
Delgado will forever be the true Master.
Michelle Gomez will always be the greatest Master for me. She just embodied the role like no other actor to play The Master ever had.
Overated.
@@minicle426 John Simms Master is overrated.
"Does he still have that rubbish beard?"
"No. Well, He was married...?"
Delgado was great, but a lot of his stories were kind of "lather, rinse, repeat". He'd assume some alias based on his name. Get involved with helping whatever the story's threat was. He'd plan on betraying and take over, only to be betrayed himself. Ultimately, he has to help the Doctor clean up his mess
I'm so obsessed with John Simm's Master & the 10th doctor ^^
Derek Jacobi is the best because of the war master series at big finish
I think Sacha might actually be my favorite Master as a singular character, and it hurts to hear how much he actually struggled with self confidence and anxiety surrounding the role. But Michelle is so close in 2nd that when you pair her with Capaldi who is my favorite Doctor, her run wins over all. I think maybe something happened after Missy regenerated into Sacha's Master, something in the Matrix asides from the stuff about the Timeless Child that had the Master feeling betrayed. I mean he feels betrayed about the whole TC thing itself, but something even deeper.
Sasha's Master is a brilliant performance in an otherwise mostly meh to outrageously bad series...he's basically going through the same BS as Anthony Ainly in that regard. Brilliant character, brilliant performance, godawful writing.
At least at this point, technically, we don't actually know if Dhawan's Master IS after Missy. It's one of the things about the Master as an occasional presence in the Doctor's main story - unless we specifically see the Regen (like Yana or Tremas) or are given a specific chronology - we can never be ENTIRELY sure where we are in the Master's lives.
Well, according to the audios, the Spy Master isn't immediately after Missy. There is an incarnation in between called The Lumiat.
Delgado is the best of all time, while Gomez is the best of Nuwho. Simms and Sacha are up there. The rest are ordinary.
John Simm is my favorite as well, but I haven't had the opportunity to watch classic Who, so I haven't seen the older versions of the character. One thing I would like to point out; Derek Jacobi is still around and still acting, so I still cling to the hope that his incarnation may yet be seen again.
I've only seen the new stuff, so I'm very much agreeing with having John Simm and Michelle Gomez at the top.
John's Matser was insane but calculating, and had a manic energy that served to show how much he was a mirror of the doctor.
Missy's flamboyant love of chaos mixed well with her "redemption arc", making her very well rounded as a character.
Them killing each other and then laughing their asses off at how they "always stab themselves in the back" was a perfect and direct metaphor for their character, while also serving as the moment of realization that led one to become the other.
Then Sacha Dhawan came along, and... well... all I can say is that he did a great job of salvaging a badly written character. Great acting, crappy plot. Now if it were to be revealed that he was actually an incarnation that came BETWEEN John and Michelle, it might make a bit more sense, but if he really does come after Missy, then he was just a complete backstep in The Master's character development.
For me it’s a tie between Gomez and Delgado for the number one spot. Dhawan is number two because of the fact he managed the murderous energy with the sense of pettiness and entitlement with a hint of maniac energy. Derek Jacobi is three for his masterful (excuse the pun) performance in such a short time. Simm and Ainley are tied in four. Simm was alright but the campiness kind of annoyed me slightly. Same goes with Ainley. Totally agree with the last two on your list.
I think this is my ranking, as well.
I like Sasha’s Master a lot he’s great.
I hope they fit him into continuity before Missy though cuz it’s still not worth ruining her redemption.
Although kinda think he does anyway cuz she’s like…well…dead.
Great idea for a cb/comic book crossover:
"Doctor Who (3rd,4th,7th,9th,10th & 11th regenerations)...meets Batman"; the Joker teams up with the Master (the Anthony Ainley version) v the Rani.
My favorite is Sacha Dhawan. I love every scene he played. He’s brilliant imo. I like the 13th Doctor/Master chemistry the best. Season 12 gave us a look at [what is left of] their friendship and that the Doctor still trusts the Master and vis versa.
Sacha was amazing, considering how terrible jodies run was written I’m so glad at least the master was good
Before I watched this I just KNEW either Gomez or Simm would be ranked as the best and the other one as the second best. I just loved them both so much! Simm's master was crazy and he was just that villain you must love. As for Missy, she was fuckin awesome and my favourite! I wasn't sure when would it go with the Master that wants to redeem herself but she played it so well. And when I watched that finale with both Masters it felt like Heaven. Can't decide if it's the characters who are the best or the actors!
I think Michelle was the best Master, then Sasha, and then John. John Simm was good in Utopia, Sound of Drums, and the Last of the Time Lords but his performance in The End of Time was slow and unnecessarily weird and just didn't have the Dr-Evil-Vibe while watching him.
Gotta say, it will always be John Simm for me. For all the reasons mentioned. He was perfection. Humourous, dangerous, witty, smart, energetic, scary, and completely bonkers. And a legitimate foil for the Doctor (and acting-wise, for David Tennant). The Masters before him were too campy and arch for me, and everyone after John Simm seemed to be trying a little too hard.
This ranking was beautiful but I would swap so John Sim as 2 then Michelle Gomez number 1.
I am with this worst-to-best list 100%. Sad to see the non-canonical Master played in 1996 by Jonathan Pryce was omitted. Should have at least been an honorable mention. He was at least as good as Ainley.
I like the fact that that missy and the 12th doctor are both Scottish
i almost completely disagree with this list.
in order of last to first.
8.pratt.
7.beavers.
6. jacobi.
5. roberts.
4. simm(definitely not #1, altho he probably wishes he were)
3. gomez.
2. delgado.
1.ainley(altho beating delgado was no small feat and no other master to my knowledge did it.)
i didn't rank the new 1 because i never saw any episodes with him.
My Ranking: 1. Roger Delgado 2. John Simm 3. Michelle Gomez 4. Anthony Ainley 5. Sacha Dhawan 6. Derek Jacobi 7. Peter Pratt/ Geoffrey Beevers 8. Eric Roberts
Missy add a “Joker-esque” characteristic to the master. She was as unpredictable as the Joker on Batman The Animated Series. Also, In my opinion, Her best, most defining, speech was in “The Lie of the Land”. She basically told the Doctor that he needed to redefine his perception of “Good” when looking at her, because she was going to be her own person, and that person was not going to have his sentimentality.
John Simm's master was the most Joker-esque
@@oliverholland1205 But Gomez' Missy was so much more than Sim's characterization.
@@SmallWorldFilms I agree Missy was different and better because didn't just want to beat the dr. She also wanted to have fun which just makes her seem more understandable than other incarnations
@@oliverholland1205 No he didn’t. He brought life to the character, but he was more like.....The Penguin. Missy was both unpredictable and funny. We are talking about someone who turned all the dead into Cybermen just to give the Doctor a birthday gift. The Joker in BatMan TAS did something similar. He kidnapped people and hijacked the Gotham TV airways just to give Batman a Christmas gift that wasn’t even lethal, a pie in the face.
@@deprimiertSchwuchtel Missy, to me, seemed like the only incarnation that was not concerned with either world or galactic domination. She just wanted to cause chaos. Three things I do wonder: 1)What would she have done with a pony if she had gotten it in “Lie of the land”, 2)What would she have done with the Doctor if they “hooked up”, and 3)If she had hooked up with her previous incarnation, what would one call it?
I hope they'll find a way to make Missy the last incarnation of the master. Sasha's version seems like he would happen before Missy. Especially when Missy said the line "I knew the doctor when he was a girl.
Yeah but can we really trust the word of the master? Especially one as kooky as Missy? Besides I don’t see how the doctor stealing the moon or the cloister wars are absurd and inconceivable ideas considering everything that happens in this show. Also I wouldn’t really describe Jodie as a “little girl”
This is so easy.
Joint first - Delgado and Ainley.
Second - Pratt
Joint last everyone else.
P.S. Missy should have been the Rani.
I honestly thought that John Simm would be the next "Doctor"
Imagine that twist.
The Dhawan Master said I think that he wouldn't make Missy's mistake.
I will say that Michelle Gomez played Missy with delicious glee. However, in my opinion, Roger Delgado was the best Master.
dwarn is the best thing to come out of the recent era of the show, the doctor is an awful "chosen one" character while the master continues to be a great villain
Missy was #1 for me. She pulled it off brilliantly and added so much more to the character.
John Simms was a maniac!! That's what I loved about the way he played the Master!
Oh Missy is the best / She's #1 above the rest / Hey, Missy!
Seriously, Michelle Gomez switched between crazy, evil, scheming, and a real desire to reconnect with the Doctor - and she was mesmerizing the whole time. She added a new layer to their long rivalry and made us SEE how close she felt to him when they were children together; something I've never felt before she played the character.
Without Roger Delgado’s perfect characterization of the Master it’s likely the character would not have endured. The fact that he’s not at the top of your list says much as to your lack of good taste.
Sasha was great in Iron fist. Him, Colleen and Colleen's teacher were the best charecters.
Love it. My favourite is Missy, particularly in the Series 9 opener.
John Simm will always be my number 1 master. After all, he was like a 90s action movie villain combined with a sort of Gary Oldman crazy vibe. Plus his constant fun-loving faux affably evil side was just the king.
The top 3 were never really in question, though for me Missy might edge out even Simm for the top spot.
Gomez’s portrayal is, if you’ll excuse the pun, truly masterful
You put Roger Delgado at #3 and John Simm at #1?
Boo!
Those positions should be reversed.
Boo!
Without Roger Delgado there is no Master. And John Simms is the worse
Make your own list then 😉
Delgado was brilliant and always will be number 1 for me. His charm offensive was amazing. John Simms master I couldn't stand tbh
John Simms Master is basically a crazy dude who wants attention, Delgado's Master is a clever and charming, wanting to overcome the Doctor intelectually
Agreed
Perhaps, for a character with multiple personae, i feel more comfortable to say "Delgado, Simm and Gomez form a perfect triangle of the Master, within that shape is his awesomest self, and outside that triangle, perhaps less impressive avatar constellations
I loved the scene between the Ainley Master and the Time Lord High Council in The Five Doctors!
So do I! One of the best scenes on the show.
I really liked Sacha as the master. His cruelty as the master was absolutely there and worked very well
Totally agree I think Sacha should be No. 1. Then Missy.
I’d say he way over did it.
@@NotSoRadical_ that’s why I liked it. He’s over the top and absolutely insane. His cruelty is there. Like for example bringing back the tissue compressor and using it like it’s nothing. Because to him it is nothing
Sasha acts more like childish obsessed fan than typical power hungry saxon in john simm incarnation. Where he loves doctor so much he literally want cause chaos to get her attention
@@danwarner7816 agreed. His character lacks depth.
Delgado will always be my #1 Master, even though Gomez and Simm are both excellent in the role.
Delgado's "evil gentleman" disposition is legendary
Sacha Dhawan has been the best part of 13th doctor... Still he’s a little bit too much... He’s halfway between john simm’s master and heath ledger’s joker. On paper that should be amazing, but it just felt a bit cringey at times. I think since he didn’t really have anyone to play off of, he just stood out too much. He’s such a big character next to Jodie’s doctor, so he comes across as over the top, like that one kid giving it everything while the rest of the class mumbles their lines. The actor did a great job with what he had, but he needed some more scenes to just breathe, he didn’t need to be 100% in every single scene, it was a bit monotonous at times, and there was nothing new to pull out for the climax scenes... pacing Chibnall!! Chibnall could have made this character so much more complex if he’d remembered the redemption arc, or some of the more subtle characteristics of the master. He could have just made it a but more 3D.
I can't speak to the classic Who masters, but in terms of comparing Michelle Gomez to John Simms, it's not even close. Missy was far and away a better character. Nothing against John Simms, he was fantastic and I enjoyed every time he was on screen, but he was a bit too cartoony. Missy had depth, and while she was a regenerating ageless Time Lady, she was more believable as a person (if that makes sense). The Missy storylines were more engaging, and even as a villainy, she inspired more sympathy, and blurred the lines more between "maybe she's not wrong". I feel like there is too much focus on the Tennant years as the best years, so obviously, the Tennant Master HAS to be the best.
Personally I think Missy was the best but simm is just behind her, like JUST behind
Have you never heard Derek Jacobi's name spoken?
Dhawan could be the absolute best with a couple of really good stories, he's been fantastic so far
All respect to the ones who followed, but Roger Delgado will always be the One True Master to me.
Derek Jacobi was cast in the role and it was a shocker as at the time people knew John Simm had been cast as the Master in season 3. It came out early on John Simm was going to be the Master, so no one expected Jacobi to b revealed as the master. It was only when we saw the same type of watch that we saw Tennant's Doctor use early on in the season that people realised Jacobi Jana was a timelord and the Master. Sacha Dhawan's Master has been confirmed as being after Missy. I did suggest ages ago that it would be better if his Master was between John Simm's Master and Missy as we never actually saw who John Simm's master regenerated into.
Best scene - Missy kills Osgood - bananas.
What I wanna know is how the hell did Osgood survive unless it was the Zygon but still how 😂 Moff is an evil genius
@@sarahjacko8316 by then, Zygons had evolved so much that they only needed a memory of the character to shapeshifter into them, so thats how they’d have survived if it was the Zygon-Osgood
Admittedly I'd given up after Bill was added as the companion and knowing John Simm was returning as the master I came back to the show. Can understand wanting that surprise reveal. But can also understand why the BBC did what they did
Dhawan’s master just carries himself in such an intriguing way
Jon Simm, Legend.
I absolutely disagree with Simm taking the top spot. I never liked him. Not one bit. I understand that the NuWhovians love him, but Roger Delgado should have been first. He originated the role and created the template for all who were to follow. Of the other new Masters, Michelle Gomez was brilliant and I really enjoyed Sacha Dhawan's take on the character. They both rank above Simm for me. Anthony Ainley should also rank higher. I'd personally put Simm just above the crusty Masters and the Fox Movie version.
It does seem like the classic series does not get the respect I feel it deserves amongst fans who grew up with the newer stuff.
Roger Delgado wasn't just the best Master, he also had the best introductory scene of any villain ever. From "I am usually referred to as The Master. Universally." to that finger click as he walks away, the scene is just perfection.
His full name was Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto and he was one of the few people who.knew how to put Jon Pertwee's back right. A director once walked into the canteen and found Pertwee face diwn on the floor with Degado standing over him, his foot in the small of Pertwee's back, pulling both arms backwards until there was a loud crack.
Missy is my favorite, she took The Master in a direction that is unique and has never been done before or since.
Sasha Dawn is the best I love the Rasputin dance
Say it with me Reech: JACK-OBI
For me Missy is #1. Always. Anytime.
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Personally feel that no matter who came after. Anthony Ainley is the best Master. I feel after his skeletal shambling phase, something in him got damaged and it shaped him to be even more chaotic than his Roger Delgado incarnation. The New Who's actors are fine but ain't no one do it like Ainley.