Just a heads up, thunderbolt is not the only way to have an EGPU. There are m.2 pcie -> EGPU adapters. Then, if you buy an adapter for the m.2ss to Sata drive (so you don't have to buy a new drive, but would likely loose some ssd performance) Would love to see a M.2 pcie external GPU on this (for people who buy this + want to play higher res/better fps down the road).
I'm pretty sure M.2 eGPU adapters also need a PSU to power the GPU. It's doable, but it's not pretty, especially if you only have a non-modular PSU on hand. I used to use a similar solution for my Thinkpad X230, but usng an ExpressCard adapter rather than a M.2 one.
@Sciurus Niger the m.2-> pcie adapter is about 50-70 usd + a power supply. So yeah about $100, but much cheaper than the pre-made ones that cost over 250
I’ve been using these little mini computers for our work machines since forever. The last 4-5 years they’ve been about $250-350 and had a core i5. 8gb. 128gb SSD. totally fine for office work.
For a workstation to integrate into an RV or similar this is brilliant, usually I would say just buy a console but the power that thing would use and having full PC capability especially for a photographer or someone on the road is a serious consideration.
@sub1ime81 can't wait for rdna igpu with the huge cache and ddr5 for hellofa lot more bandwidth..should be able to run same games at high and ultra vs medium etc. In a few years apus will really be up to the gaming challenge.
@sub1ime81 its unfortunate that ddr5 didn't have some sort of dual channel per dimm so we could have 4 channel per 2 ddr5 sticks. I imagine the main reason they didn't do that is to maintain the income from the HEDT side with 4 channel ram. A powerful APU with quad channel ddr5 7200mhz or something would actually keep up with say a gtx 1660 or something assuming they can jam enough gpu cores on the apu. I am excited about the prospect of decent gaming in a 50 watt package for a laptop that actually games for several hours. My 4 core laptop with m620 quadro burns the battery in like 30-40 mins when gaming. Just annoying.
@sub1ime81 let not forget the 15qatt package thats x86 for handhelds.. having 1080 or 1440p gaming with high settings at 60hz is a dream of mine. I may actually drop some $$$ on a product like that.
Had one at work, then discovered it totally killed our coax ring 10 Mbit ethernet - cue sudden urge to upgrade our network to hubs & CAT5 that week. So boss, we need to upgrade the network as it's too slow.... for work obviously! 😁🙄 Those were the days!
👍🏻 continue with the reviews video like this and also troubleshooting ones. Your video during the 30 days of Christmas debugging a riser cable was a life saver. I had similar issues that were intermittent, could not find the cause. Your video allowed me to identify my issue and it has since been resolved! Thanks!
After watching Linus for so long it's nice to see someone who can actually stay on the course and a racing game, and even with Austin Evans claiming to be good at racing games he keeps bouncing off the walls. So Bravo to you for staying on course.
I was finally able to convince RUclips I never wanted to see "Linus" ever again after blocking his channel and marking all his videos "do not recommend". Haven't seen any of his content for months. God, he was annoying.
Wish they were cheaper. I have a miniforums u700 with the 3300u cpu i paid about 550 which is to fing(I needed the form factor for something so had to get one) much. Seriously the newer ones with the 4750 for example is near 8 or 900 I can buy a laptop with the same specs and a screen for less. Also the ryzen chips are perfect for these type of applications yet theres only a few and most are just coming out with older gen chips seriously give me a new cpu AT a price that beats a laptop( yes yes i know their small companies but asus makes a model thats also on the high end price wise for still old hardware also come on other companies make these damn it) with the same specs. Personally i thinkintel is up to their old shady shit with oems look at some of the amd laptops that should have been good but they all had odd choices even same model the intel was betetr then the amd due to poor deisgn choices on the amd systems like horrible airflow which some reviewers fixed with a dremel that still looked fine after.
No thunderbolt necessary. They have m.2 adapters for external gpu's which actually offer faster speed then traditional thunderbolt 3 egpu's. All you would need is a power supply for the gpu.
Back in the day, we used "rugged" mini-PCs of this form factor as field servers. We deployed them in barns to act as a collection point for our data-gathering and stream the data back to the lab. We even hid one in a closet to run a "check-in/check-out" staff tracking system using RFID antennas. It's the power of a desktop PC with the footprint of half a tissue box.
This is exactly the type of content I want to see you do. Yeah we know what all the really cool super expensive stuff can do, but what can these Mini/SFF PCs do. How do they stack up to say a gaming laptop, etc? Awesome stuff keep it up! Thank you Jay!
As well as "edits it out by leaving it in" .... tbh though, this is literally enough to convince most folks that they got an "inside peek" due to a "substantial and accidental leak". ie. peeps be dumb these days. Super fn dumb.
In case you're talking about FSR improving 1080p gaming: It will bring poor improvements in framerates at a significant loss of visual quality on that resolution, I'm afraid.
As an additional note, Parsec works really well as an alternative to Steams in home streaming and works with a raspberry pi as the client side device (and over the internet too but that brings in lag). Would actually make quite an interesting video.
Is the video quality good? Last time I tried it, the video compresstion was high even though I increased the settings. (Tried it around late last summer)
@@PatrikKron I've never had too much issue but I do run it at 1080p and let my TV handle the upscale to 4k, also my network is fully wired between both ends, I did struggle when running over WiFi
Parsec works like a charm. I use parsec on my virtual machine at home and use my Linux laptop to play games. Works perfectly 1080p 60fps and I think it's more efficient than steam
Jay, I think this is a smart move on your part to actually show new products that us little people can actually buy as you stated before the video ended. Thanks for the video.
I can see this as a workstation for people opening their first business. The "bigger" version with 32GB for $830 is not a bad deal. If you're not a gamer and you're not into upgrading your PC on a regular basis, this seems to be a perfect fit.
@Matthew Shields Why? Adding integrated GPUs = More die space, which means fewer CPUs. If you have a graphics card, there is almost no reason at all to have an iGPU. Only this past year has there been a good reason to have iGPUs at the high end of CPUs. Additionally, their other/older CPUs would have cost more. I can't see a reason why we 'need' an iGPU, other than when traditional GPUs are otherwise unavailable.
@@faranocks there's all sorts of situations where you don't want a big ol' dedicated GPU. Market's not about "need", right, it's about "what will people buy", which a lot of times is convenience or efficiency. GPUs aren't efficient or even convenient for a lot of use cases.
@@joaovmlsilva3509 I'm sorry I don't get your point. Within NA/EU, buying 2nd hand was always a cheaper option, with $300 you could game, and with $500 you could game competently(good cpu, gpu, ram, and ssd). I understand other markets (like africa, india, south america) exist, but as stated earlier, AMD's 2200g and 2400g were quite good as an alternative to a dedicated GPU.
Thank you for an awesome review Jay. Very informative and entertaining. I did not know about my power settings. Now, I do. Opened a resource I didn't know I had.
Just wanted to mention that I'm pretty sure you can access the top of the unit by pressing down on the lid, and its upper spring latches will simply release it upward. Thanks for the review!
I'll get hunted down for suggesting this, but continuing with the tiny computer trend, I want you to try out an M1 Mac Mini. *pause for laughter to subside* I have a Macbook Pro that's my daily driver for work stuffs, and I recently bought an M1 Mini myself. It's stupid fast - Premiere and Davinci Resolve both have native M1 versions, and there's a lot of Big Name games - Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example - that run like butter on it. It's also dead silent and barely warm to the touch under heavy loads. I know that everyone poops on Mac, but I'm super curious how you'd react to it. Bonus - it's something you can actually buy!
that is an awesome mini pc, I would definitely be interested in something like this since most of the games I play now are several years old already lol
I use a mini Ryzen 5 Pro for these exact reasons. Hooked up behind the TV in the living room. MinisForum is definitely a brand i'll keep my eye on for an upgrade from my current mini ,thanks Jay!
Oh, I've been looking for something like this for various network storage and virtualisation. 8 cores, 2 2.5" drives, and 2.5Gb LAN? This is freaking perfect for that, especially with the deal 2.5" drives. And with the cooling performance, I'm not super concerned about it running in my unairconditioned office in Australian summers. Definitely checking this out.
This can be really interesting for my children. A small PC to to their homeworks and some games. It doesn't need to be too big and too pricey. I'd rathjer buy this than a laptop for the same purpose. Easier to upgrade, more sturdy and cheaper imho. I didn't know the brand. I'll take a look! Thanks for the review!
@@SurviveWasTaken I totally agree with you. But it is more like a casual gaming right now and at their age, it will be easier for me at the moment. I build computers for me or friends for years, but now, with all responsibilities, I have to cut somewhere. Sure In the future, I will gladly build something (with them if they are interested). But it will be a good starter for now!
I was going to comment that I have a NUC 7, with an i3, and I use it as a Plex server - Intel has H264 hardware encoding, it doesn't need too many cores. Definitely wouldn't game on it though lol.
I bought one based upon your recommendation. Waiting for July for it to ship. :D It'll be a great birthday gift for myself to tinker with and attach to my TV as a gen-purpose gaming/media box for my Missus and I. Thanks for the rec, Jay!
Someone mentioned you should do more artwork on cases respray and make a themed pc would be great to see and I couldn't agree more loved all your content tbf so doesn't matter if you do
It's pretty neat as a kind of secondary laid back relaxing entertainment system, not for any demanding games, but there are many more casual or old ones for some "retro" gaming that may perform exceptional.
I normally don't care about mini-PC stuff, but I watched this video literally just because of you and your humor and honestly, I wasn't disappointed. :D Also, the PC performed much better than I expected. Good stuff.
"open steam, close it, open it again and it's updating. Like, what are you updating??" - I always thought it was just me who had that happened to them hahaha. Vindicatiooooon!
I would use this in my van. Currently have an Alienware laptop to watch movies and work at building games in Unity. Something that could be used with the monitor in the van would get rid of the overweight laptop. My father has been trying to talk me into getting an Apple mini for the back of the monitor I have to cut down on the heat the Alienware makes.
The next gen of these will actually be really good. The benchmarks from the new ryzen 5000 apu's are actually really good for gaming at 1080p. The new 5000 series apu's are already available in some prebuilts from like walmart, bestbuy etc. Some creators have already covered them and the systems are around $500.
"You aren't supposed to see that" **moves it to the other end of the table, where we can still see it** 🤣 Honestly I wouldn't have even noticed it or tried to see what it was if you hadn't called attention to it. 🤪
And you think that wasn't intentional? They could easily have just cut that part out after moving it off-screen if we really weren't supposed to see it.
For the kind of money they're pricing this at, I'd sooner but a Chromecast to stream Netflix from and get an Xbox Series S to play on a TV. I'd do that all for under half the price of that computer and have no latency issues with gaming.
You're not wrong. On the other side you wouldn't have a PC. My bigger problem lies in buying an 8C/16T APU. It has the better GPU, but it's not that different. If you can't use the 8 cores from the APU you paid too much. Still these little machines are awesome and they're enough for a lot of gaming. I just hope future APUs with RDNA2 can use the L3 Cache as Infinity Cache. I'm curious how much performance will result out of it.
@JayTwocents Just one thing Tiger Lake as an APU competitor is not shit. It's just Quad-Core but games run faster, especially if you give it more power. I would still prefer an AMD APU with RDNA2, even just for the drivers.
@@Deinorius that's true, but I think I'd sooner by a Chromecast and go for a better prebuilt PC in this nuts environment, spend a similar amount and have a dedicated PC. Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a use case for it where it ticks someone's boxes all day. I feel like for most people it bridges a gap with too many compromises for the price. I'd definitely be interested in something relatively similar that I could carry around that didn't cost a crazy amount. I wouldn't need it to be able to video edit and compress, etc. so wouldn't need to leverage all that CPU power
for just simple media playback like netflix and youtube this thing is honestly overkill, if you need a full fledge pc in a small space and money is not a problem its definitely cool i just wish it had thunderbolt
After watching your video Jay just like you said and like me I do myself stay away from mini PC but watching your video and as you went under the hood and to see it has a low profile air cooler is amazing and the power it packs and the price you can not beat that for a mini desktop pc, and I like the mount options it has to offers. Great presentation Big Jay.
5:10 - I mean... I don't speak to the man anymore and honestly don't care about him, so I'll just get myself an iFixit kit. I'll be the dad that my father couldn't be
I would love to have one for our camping trailer... for the rainy days of course. Just keep a few movies/tv series and a couple of games stored on drive.
This would work perfectly for my son with his four children. All ported though a main system that can provide more of the positive content for kids and filter out the more negative. This sounds like a wonderful gem for parental control what with the nature of things as they are in these interesting times.
"With M.2 the hotter it gets the slower it gets." M.2 supposedly works best when "warm" at 50C but typically throttles when it gets up to like 60-70C, though I have seen no data to support this. What I do know from first hand experience is that if you get past 80% capacity you will often see the temps go up to the throttle level pretty quickly, especially under write-heavy loads. Would be an interesting test to see.
But using it when describing to what such a PC could connect to, that word is utterly wrong. Mainframes are still in use, and with the exception of very few people noone can afford a mainframe or its power consumption or spare parts. And who would even use a mainframe for a media storage server?
Media centre with some retro emulation as well as steam in-home streaming. It would also be handy to carry around on holiday for those places that have a TV as it would keep the kids (and myself!) entertained for hours.
I'd use it to run Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds on a portable table-top map display - my D&D group wants to get back into face-to-face meetups, but likes the ease and convenience of a virtual table-top.
I've seen folks lay a monitor/tv flat and then build a table around it for just that sort of thing. Good for miniatures too, as you can just load your maps onto the screen.
@@DFX2KX Yea, but we meetup at a local gaming store, so I'd have to make mine portable. I'm thinking rollers on one of the short sides and a pulling handle on the other. The DM has a laptop he brings to the game that he can run the GM overlay on, while the miniPC would run the PC overlay - we'd just have to pass the keyboard and mouse around like one of those 'he who has the [insert item] is allowed to speak' type deals.
It's been a long time since I bought a racing game. I remember that it had at least three levels of realism, something like Arcade, Normal and Realistic or something like that. Arcade was about what we saw in this video. You could crash into any thing at any speed and the worst that happened was that you cam to a stop, though I think it still showed some degree of cosmetic damage. In Normal mode the car got damaged but would be dropped back on the track if you got things really wrong and could limp to the goal no matter what you did to it. Enter Realistic where you couldn't get away with anything. Suddenly listening to your codriver was important. Figuring out how to setup the suspension could be the difference between winning the stage and not completing it. A bad landing could rip your wheel off, and doing a 180 ending up with the wheels in the air meant you wouldn't finish the stage.
Any semi-serious racing game lets you enable full or partial damage. Only exception i can think of right now is Forza horizon 4, but even that hot mess has a damage option that slows down your car and makes it hard to steer
Hahaha yeah no. The scary thing is if you muck with the tdp limits, the little thing is capable of drawing 65w. So this really isn't far off from a 3700x.
"Barrel Roll" Good one :D Edit: I actually considered giving such a thing to old people. Having the VESA mount makes it perfect for one-monitor-setups. A screen with built-in USB Hub provides easily accessible USB Ports and the performance is good enough for Browsing and Office for the next years to come. And you don't need a big box suffocating beneath the table. (Of course you can use the Hardware for many other things)
For internal storage I'd go with two Western Digital 2 TB laptop-sized HDDs. For external storage I'd use a 4-bay external desktop drive cage to mount four Western Digital My Passport USB 3.0 5+ TB HDDs. Now you've got nearly 20 TBs of storage for media playback, data archives, general computing, gaming, renders, etc. You still leave the 2 front USB 3.0 port open for future expansion. I'd love this as a media player that could be cat resistant...Spread the drive cages out vertically or horizontally depending on how much desktop space you have. Possible uses could have it sitting hidden inside a podium shaped stand with adjustable height platform for mounting some manner of Man-to-Machine interface (keyboards, touch screen, Air Mouse, motion sensors, projected laser keyboards, etc.)
This is perfect. I was just recently trying to help a friend find a replacement for his potatoe laptop. These parts are similar to what I'm looking at.
Can’t have a JayzTwoCents video without bloopers
are they really bloopers if they made it into the final cut?
What bloopers? That's just Jay in his natural habitat! 😄👍
Regardless, gotta love the guys! 😁
The whole video is a blooper
@@decoy1312 Why'd you watch then? 🙄
This video already saved in my internal "Jayz Funnies" play list.
I feel like a PC like this would be super useful for someone building out a camper van or a tiny home.
but then again, just go for a laptop
@@L3nny666 caravan would have a mounted tv, so permanent fixture isnt a problem, granted an itx pc would also fit the bill
Or the bunker...
Agree... but my prefer use-case would be clustering.
@@L3nny666 Laptop with these specs would be 3 times the price.
Just a heads up, thunderbolt is not the only way to have an EGPU. There are m.2 pcie -> EGPU adapters. Then, if you buy an adapter for the m.2ss to Sata drive (so you don't have to buy a new drive, but would likely loose some ssd performance)
Would love to see a M.2 pcie external GPU on this (for people who buy this + want to play higher res/better fps down the road).
I agree
People who looks for a budget gaming pc will love this
I'm pretty sure M.2 eGPU adapters also need a PSU to power the GPU. It's doable, but it's not pretty, especially if you only have a non-modular PSU on hand. I used to use a similar solution for my Thinkpad X230, but usng an ExpressCard adapter rather than a M.2 one.
@@TheFlibidy there are also adapters for old Xbox 360 psus
@Sciurus Niger the m.2-> pcie adapter is about 50-70 usd + a power supply. So yeah about $100, but much cheaper than the pre-made ones that cost over 250
I’ve been using these little mini computers for our work machines since forever. The last 4-5 years they’ve been about $250-350 and had a core i5. 8gb. 128gb SSD. totally fine for office work.
no brainer for office work
For a workstation to integrate into an RV or similar this is brilliant, usually I would say just buy a console but the power that thing would use and having full PC capability especially for a photographer or someone on the road is a serious consideration.
I'm looking forward to the next generation of this PC, with DDR5 and an APU with a stronger iGPU.
AMD 5000 series APUs with fidelity FX super resolution 😫
Igpus in the next few years are gonna become good af
"Gamers nexus liked that"
That's what I'm saying for 20 years already...
@@EagleFPV43 huh?
I bought this about 6 weeks ago and am very happy with it's performance. It's mall, quiet and powerful.
It is essentially a laptop-in-a-box, minus the display and input devices. Neat.
essentially, but dare I say more easily upgradeable and with better cooling.
And battery*
Yeah, but 1/3 the price for equivalent hardware.
Exactly, for $900.
@@pau1phi11ips it's that dramatic?
It's honestly really impressive what a modern APU can do.
Fr, u can play modern games and u literally don't have room to bitch now lol unless ur really picky.
I use APU's to build family members typical computers.
@sub1ime81 can't wait for rdna igpu with the huge cache and ddr5 for hellofa lot more bandwidth..should be able to run same games at high and ultra vs medium etc. In a few years apus will really be up to the gaming challenge.
@sub1ime81 its unfortunate that ddr5 didn't have some sort of dual channel per dimm so we could have 4 channel per 2 ddr5 sticks. I imagine the main reason they didn't do that is to maintain the income from the HEDT side with 4 channel ram. A powerful APU with quad channel ddr5 7200mhz or something would actually keep up with say a gtx 1660 or something assuming they can jam enough gpu cores on the apu. I am excited about the prospect of decent gaming in a 50 watt package for a laptop that actually games for several hours. My 4 core laptop with m620 quadro burns the battery in like 30-40 mins when gaming. Just annoying.
@sub1ime81 let not forget the 15qatt package thats x86 for handhelds.. having 1080 or 1440p gaming with high settings at 60hz is a dream of mine. I may actually drop some $$$ on a product like that.
This seems like the perfect thing for us retro dads that want to play '90s FPS LANs.
God I miss the old lan parties, they were hilarious
Im not a dad but i grew up with LAN Parties.
I 100% agree.
Had one at work, then discovered it totally killed our coax ring 10 Mbit ethernet - cue sudden urge to upgrade our network to hubs & CAT5 that week.
So boss, we need to upgrade the network as it's too slow.... for work obviously! 😁🙄
Those were the days!
👍🏻 continue with the reviews video like this and also troubleshooting ones. Your video during the 30 days of Christmas debugging a riser cable was a life saver. I had similar issues that were intermittent, could not find the cause. Your video allowed me to identify my issue and it has since been resolved! Thanks!
Agreed, this is how I learn about these niche tech products. Thanks Jay.
I had a riser cable go bad on me a little while ago, it is soo annoying!
After watching Linus for so long it's nice to see someone who can actually stay on the course and a racing game, and even with Austin Evans claiming to be good at racing games he keeps bouncing off the walls. So Bravo to you for staying on course.
They should face off with ijustine. She'd wipe the floor with them. That would be fun to watch.
I was finally able to convince RUclips I never wanted to see "Linus" ever again after blocking his channel and marking all his videos "do not recommend". Haven't seen any of his content for months. God, he was annoying.
Such an impressive little machine. Those Ryzen APU's really don't fuck around.
Wish they were cheaper. I have a miniforums u700 with the 3300u cpu i paid about 550 which is to fing(I needed the form factor for something so had to get one) much. Seriously the newer ones with the 4750 for example is near 8 or 900 I can buy a laptop with the same specs and a screen for less. Also the ryzen chips are perfect for these type of applications yet theres only a few and most are just coming out with older gen chips seriously give me a new cpu AT a price that beats a laptop( yes yes i know their small companies but asus makes a model thats also on the high end price wise for still old hardware also come on other companies make these damn it) with the same specs. Personally i thinkintel is up to their old shady shit with oems look at some of the amd laptops that should have been good but they all had odd choices even same model the intel was betetr then the amd due to poor deisgn choices on the amd systems like horrible airflow which some reviewers fixed with a dremel that still looked fine after.
nice to see you looking at pc and diping into stuff like this says a lot about how much u care to see someone getting what they ask for in a computer
thank you jay, mini pc and high-end small builds are my new obsession keep them coming.
“Oh! Crap! You guys aren’t supposed to see this.”
Proceeds to move it to the other side of the screen for us to see. 🤣
You noticed 🙄😁
Lmao
Lmao
Its just the ASUS RT-AX82U Gundam Edition.
teasing
100!
It says this video was released less than two minutes ago and you already have a thousand views. Good job
I'm just here to see if Jay blows something up...
No thunderbolt necessary. They have m.2 adapters for external gpu's which actually offer faster speed then traditional thunderbolt 3 egpu's. All you would need is a power supply for the gpu.
using it right now, watching this video
That's a bit of a janky setup since m.2 is a internal connector, you'd have a permanently open case
@@hi9580 everything is a fit with dremel
@@bonkerzd6980 :D
@@bonkerzd6980 AND.....maybe some double-sided tape or Velcro when needed.....🤔😁
Back in the day, we used "rugged" mini-PCs of this form factor as field servers. We deployed them in barns to act as a collection point for our data-gathering and stream the data back to the lab. We even hid one in a closet to run a "check-in/check-out" staff tracking system using RFID antennas. It's the power of a desktop PC with the footprint of half a tissue box.
This is exactly the type of content I want to see you do. Yeah we know what all the really cool super expensive stuff can do, but what can these Mini/SFF PCs do. How do they stack up to say a gaming laptop, etc? Awesome stuff keep it up! Thank you Jay!
"You werent supposed to see this" *moves it from right side of camera to left side*
As well as "edits it out by leaving it in" .... tbh though, this is literally enough to convince most folks that they got an "inside peek" due to a "substantial and accidental leak". ie. peeps be dumb these days. Super fn dumb.
@@Dex99SS Is it your job to be the biggest douche on the internet? Get a job man, you need one judging by your comment history.
@@Dex99SS It's a "peek" that is a look or glance; a "peak" is the top of something (e.g., a mountain).
@@dookcurruff9047 Guy leaves a normal comment and you ask if he's the biggest douche on the internet? Nah, you are.
@@dookcurruff9047 you really looked at his comment history? lol
This system would be a good test case for AMD FidelityFX when it is released.
In case you're talking about FSR improving 1080p gaming: It will bring poor improvements in framerates at a significant loss of visual quality on that resolution, I'm afraid.
As an additional note, Parsec works really well as an alternative to Steams in home streaming and works with a raspberry pi as the client side device (and over the internet too but that brings in lag). Would actually make quite an interesting video.
Is the video quality good? Last time I tried it, the video compresstion was high even though I increased the settings. (Tried it around late last summer)
@@PatrikKron I've never had too much issue but I do run it at 1080p and let my TV handle the upscale to 4k, also my network is fully wired between both ends, I did struggle when running over WiFi
Parsec works like a charm. I use parsec on my virtual machine at home and use my Linux laptop to play games. Works perfectly 1080p 60fps and I think it's more efficient than steam
Jay, I think this is a smart move on your part to actually show new products that us little people can actually buy as you stated before the video ended. Thanks for the video.
I can see this as a workstation for people opening their first business. The "bigger" version with 32GB for $830 is not a bad deal. If you're not a gamer and you're not into upgrading your PC on a regular basis, this seems to be a perfect fit.
This is how you upgrade moms house. Attach it to the TV and she won't need a laptop or IPad. Also you can play games with the kids on Thanksgiving.
Looks like a good candidate for an overpowered pfSense router since it has dual nics :)
I wish it had a third one for isp fail over
I didn't check, but I bet they are both realteks, so no.
kudos go to ryzen for making this "hot fix" for the gpu crisis
@Matthew Shields Why? Adding integrated GPUs = More die space, which means fewer CPUs. If you have a graphics card, there is almost no reason at all to have an iGPU. Only this past year has there been a good reason to have iGPUs at the high end of CPUs.
Additionally, their other/older CPUs would have cost more. I can't see a reason why we 'need' an iGPU, other than when traditional GPUs are otherwise unavailable.
@@faranocks there's all sorts of situations where you don't want a big ol' dedicated GPU.
Market's not about "need", right, it's about "what will people buy", which a lot of times is convenience or efficiency. GPUs aren't efficient or even convenient for a lot of use cases.
@Matthew Shields yeah would've been nice if graphics cores were in the same gen as CPU cores from the start, but we're finally getting there soon :D
@@Kknewkles amd has almost always had lower end CPUs with igpus, starting with the ryzen 2200g, and 2400g.
@@joaovmlsilva3509 I'm sorry I don't get your point. Within NA/EU, buying 2nd hand was always a cheaper option, with $300 you could game, and with $500 you could game competently(good cpu, gpu, ram, and ssd). I understand other markets (like africa, india, south america) exist, but as stated earlier, AMD's 2200g and 2400g were quite good as an alternative to a dedicated GPU.
Thank you for an awesome review Jay.
Very informative and entertaining. I did not know about my power settings. Now, I do. Opened a resource I didn't know I had.
Just wanted to mention that I'm pretty sure you can access the top of the unit by pressing down on the lid, and its upper spring latches will simply release it upward. Thanks for the review!
This would be perfect for media PC use, emulator games and wife's occasional photo editing 👍
Expensive option for that though...
You could do that with the cheapest nuc
@@elgurideparana2796 But the cheapest nuc has garbage graphics... at least compared to AMD's option.
Counter idea, m1 Mac mini at $650
Emulator, light modern gaming, faster browsing and streaming, it would be a great living room pc for the wife, kids, and company
I'll get hunted down for suggesting this, but continuing with the tiny computer trend, I want you to try out an M1 Mac Mini.
*pause for laughter to subside*
I have a Macbook Pro that's my daily driver for work stuffs, and I recently bought an M1 Mini myself. It's stupid fast - Premiere and Davinci Resolve both have native M1 versions, and there's a lot of Big Name games - Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example - that run like butter on it. It's also dead silent and barely warm to the touch under heavy loads. I know that everyone poops on Mac, but I'm super curious how you'd react to it. Bonus - it's something you can actually buy!
@↓Pinned by JayzTwoCents. √ not sure if troll or substandard bot.
@↓Pinned by JayzTwoCents. √ That's what the leader of that weird brainwashing cult I belonged to said too
that is an awesome mini pc, I would definitely be interested in something like this since most of the games I play now are several years old already lol
I mainly play Transport Tycoon (was a DOS game!) and Unreal Tournament (runs on anything) I think my toaster would have enough CPU to run those.
I second that!! 👍👍
Wow I think this would be awesome for streaming consoles to twitch and RUclips. Definitely a viable option for that.
I use a mini Ryzen 5 Pro for these exact reasons. Hooked up behind the TV in the living room. MinisForum is definitely a brand i'll keep my eye on for an upgrade from my current mini ,thanks Jay!
Oh, I've been looking for something like this for various network storage and virtualisation. 8 cores, 2 2.5" drives, and 2.5Gb LAN? This is freaking perfect for that, especially with the deal 2.5" drives. And with the cooling performance, I'm not super concerned about it running in my unairconditioned office in Australian summers. Definitely checking this out.
Linus: Uploads with BIG SECRET on the title
Jay: Don't let this TINY pc fool you
... and according to Jay's shirt, Size Matters!
Both garbage clickbait
@@VndNvwYvvSvv So you're saying that the TINY pc actually fooled you?
Tiny but powerful. That’s definitely what she said.
never
That's also definitely what he said.
More like "That's what she'll never say"
"It's not you its me"
I CAN NOT vouch for that
To me that is the perfect office PC. Quiet and easy to hide, yet able to do more than everything I need it too.
My dad would definitely love this mini PC...
Spreadsheets, news, tutorials, all in living room...
This can be really interesting for my children. A small PC to to their homeworks and some games. It doesn't need to be too big and too pricey. I'd rathjer buy this than a laptop for the same purpose. Easier to upgrade, more sturdy and cheaper imho. I didn't know the brand. I'll take a look! Thanks for the review!
Great to start off with yes. Or for older folks not wanting to feel left out from what the grand kids like.
Be better of building a small pc w/ an APU for a better upgrade path if they really wanna game.
@@SurviveWasTaken I totally agree with you. But it is more like a casual gaming right now and at their age, it will be easier for me at the moment. I build computers for me or friends for years, but now, with all responsibilities, I have to cut somewhere. Sure In the future, I will gladly build something (with them if they are interested). But it will be a good starter for now!
@@Ahaus314 in that case you’re totally right 💯
This is the kind of content to make while the GPUpocalypse is still happening. Super nice - I'd been looking for a review of these deskminis
“These mini PCs are always terrible” *Zotac Has Entered the Server*
Zotac? How about ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte... :)
Newest Intel NUC is sweet tho
I was going to comment that I have a NUC 7, with an i3, and I use it as a Plex server - Intel has H264 hardware encoding, it doesn't need too many cores. Definitely wouldn't game on it though lol.
This is what I would lean toward in my future RV build still a few years out so the tech should be even better by then . Thanks for showing it .
I bought one based upon your recommendation. Waiting for July for it to ship. :D
It'll be a great birthday gift for myself to tinker with and attach to my TV as a
gen-purpose gaming/media box for my Missus and I. Thanks for the rec, Jay!
I only just realised that the APUs will support AMDs FSR, which should mean even better game performance in about half a month.
More people need to see this. Small PCs like this while being mobile will be really nice.
🤞🏻
If the developer does the work to implement it properly
Someone mentioned you should do more artwork on cases respray and make a themed pc would be great to see and I couldn't agree more loved all your content tbf so doesn't matter if you do
Jay should totally do a let's play series. Him talking and playing games is actually really entertaining. I would watch him play any game!
It's pretty neat as a kind of secondary laid back relaxing entertainment system, not for any demanding games, but there are many more casual or old ones for some "retro" gaming that may perform exceptional.
I normally don't care about mini-PC stuff, but I watched this video literally just because of you and your humor and honestly, I wasn't disappointed. :D
Also, the PC performed much better than I expected. Good stuff.
"open steam, close it, open it again and it's updating. Like, what are you updating??" - I always thought it was just me who had that happened to them hahaha. Vindicatiooooon!
Excellent 99 reference
The 8/16 CPU is nice. The 3200Mhz is sweet. It's in supply: PRICELESS
I was looking at these for my mom since she only does online stuff and office docs and what not. Think it would be more than perfect you her
I would use this in my van. Currently have an Alienware laptop to watch movies and work at building games in Unity. Something that could be used with the monitor in the van would get rid of the overweight laptop. My father has been trying to talk me into getting an Apple mini for the back of the monitor I have to cut down on the heat the Alienware makes.
The next gen of these will actually be really good. The benchmarks from the new ryzen 5000 apu's are actually really good for gaming at 1080p.
The new 5000 series apu's are already available in some prebuilts from like walmart, bestbuy etc. Some creators have already covered them and the systems are around $500.
"You aren't supposed to see that"
**moves it to the other end of the table, where we can still see it** 🤣
Honestly I wouldn't have even noticed it or tried to see what it was if you hadn't called attention to it. 🤪
And you think that wasn't intentional? They could easily have just cut that part out after moving it off-screen if we really weren't supposed to see it.
it looks like a Asus Mobile Suit Gundam GPU. I cant see what card it is ?
@@Joe-xv2zm don’t forget the waifu router
It’s definitely an Asus ax82u with some sort of special paint/skin on it.
For the kind of money they're pricing this at, I'd sooner but a Chromecast to stream Netflix from and get an Xbox Series S to play on a TV. I'd do that all for under half the price of that computer and have no latency issues with gaming.
You're not wrong. On the other side you wouldn't have a PC.
My bigger problem lies in buying an 8C/16T APU. It has the better GPU, but it's not that different. If you can't use the 8 cores from the APU you paid too much. Still these little machines are awesome and they're enough for a lot of gaming.
I just hope future APUs with RDNA2 can use the L3 Cache as Infinity Cache. I'm curious how much performance will result out of it.
@JayTwocents Just one thing Tiger Lake as an APU competitor is not shit. It's just Quad-Core but games run faster, especially if you give it more power. I would still prefer an AMD APU with RDNA2, even just for the drivers.
@@Deinorius that's true, but I think I'd sooner by a Chromecast and go for a better prebuilt PC in this nuts environment, spend a similar amount and have a dedicated PC.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure there's a use case for it where it ticks someone's boxes all day. I feel like for most people it bridges a gap with too many compromises for the price.
I'd definitely be interested in something relatively similar that I could carry around that didn't cost a crazy amount. I wouldn't need it to be able to video edit and compress, etc. so wouldn't need to leverage all that CPU power
for just simple media playback like netflix and youtube this thing is honestly overkill, if you need a full fledge pc in a small space and money is not a problem its definitely cool i just wish it had thunderbolt
made me laugh when he rolled and still kept driving
He's the same way in his Camaro.
All the use cases as above + installing MCC and playing through the campaign with buddies over a weekend
After watching your video Jay just like you said and like me I do myself stay away from mini PC but watching your video and as you went under the hood and to see it has a low profile air cooler is amazing and the power it packs and the price you can not beat that for a mini desktop pc, and I like the mount options it has to offers. Great presentation Big Jay.
I'd like to see this with the AMD 5000 APUs coming out.
🙈
Me too
That DOOM gameplay, man! I would NOT want to end up against J in any FPS game, would get absolutely confused to death....
5:10 - I mean... I don't speak to the man anymore and honestly don't care about him, so I'll just get myself an iFixit kit. I'll be the dad that my father couldn't be
Thanks for bringing us this video. I am definitely thinking of getting this and throwing some VMs on there with Proxmox.
I would love to have one for our camping trailer... for the rainy days of course. Just keep a few movies/tv series and a couple of games stored on drive.
I'm pretty sure your co-driver didn't say "Do A Barrel Roll" :D
That would be a perfect emulstion machine for gaming.
...if it was a lot cheaper. Otherwise an expensive emulation box!
Welcome to anither episode of "Jay tries to speak coherently" :D
I love that show.
nice mini pc jay i can see it has a tone of high performance parts inside that's awesome
This would work perfectly for my son with his four children. All ported though a main system that can provide more of the positive content for kids and filter out the more negative. This sounds like a wonderful gem for parental control what with the nature of things as they are in these interesting times.
"With M.2 the hotter it gets the slower it gets."
M.2 supposedly works best when "warm" at 50C but typically throttles when it gets up to like 60-70C, though I have seen no data to support this. What I do know from first hand experience is that if you get past 80% capacity you will often see the temps go up to the throttle level pretty quickly, especially under write-heavy loads. Would be an interesting test to see.
"Ohh that´s a big tire" he says to the plastic wrapped hay bale. :D
this would be a great streaming pc, just have it mounted on the back of your monitor or something
This is just the small pc upgrade (all-in-oneish) that fits perfect for my mum! Thanks Jay :)
this is very useful for cooperate/gov offices, and easy to carry home if work shifted to remote -work style.
We need more small builds for cleaner space looks
Mainframe, the word I haven't heard in 3-4 yrs
"Multimedia" too. A buzzword right out of the mid to late '90s.
@@jeffb.6642 yeah
But using it when describing to what such a PC could connect to, that word is utterly wrong.
Mainframes are still in use, and with the exception of very few people noone can afford a mainframe or its power consumption or spare parts. And who would even use a mainframe for a media storage server?
Haven't heard that in 34 years lol
We are known for....... Finish the blank 😂
Gundam 3080 😂
Very cool. I'd definitely use something like this in my bedroom for light gaming and web browsing.
Media centre with some retro emulation as well as steam in-home streaming. It would also be handy to carry around on holiday for those places that have a TV as it would keep the kids (and myself!) entertained for hours.
"You guys aren't supposed to see that..."
*moves it over to the opposite side of the frame still completely visible to all the non-seers*
Guys…the scary Imposter Clone Evil Jay is harassing me!!
Those moments make the video.
"it's faster than you think"
That is what she said,,
Yes Turin.
It's small and fast…
That's what she said too...
Jay: "we have to suck it up and move forward"
Me: missing Phil saying "that's what she said!"
🤣🤣🤣
They're getting a lot better. Can't wait for an awesome micro PC
I'd use it to run Roll20 or Fantasy Grounds on a portable table-top map display - my D&D group wants to get back into face-to-face meetups, but likes the ease and convenience of a virtual table-top.
I've seen folks lay a monitor/tv flat and then build a table around it for just that sort of thing. Good for miniatures too, as you can just load your maps onto the screen.
@@DFX2KX Yea, but we meetup at a local gaming store, so I'd have to make mine portable. I'm thinking rollers on one of the short sides and a pulling handle on the other. The DM has a laptop he brings to the game that he can run the GM overlay on, while the miniPC would run the PC overlay - we'd just have to pass the keyboard and mouse around like one of those 'he who has the [insert item] is allowed to speak' type deals.
remember when racing games had damage models? that was fun.
It's been a long time since I bought a racing game. I remember that it had at least three levels of realism, something like Arcade, Normal and Realistic or something like that. Arcade was about what we saw in this video. You could crash into any thing at any speed and the worst that happened was that you cam to a stop, though I think it still showed some degree of cosmetic damage. In Normal mode the car got damaged but would be dropped back on the track if you got things really wrong and could limp to the goal no matter what you did to it. Enter Realistic where you couldn't get away with anything. Suddenly listening to your codriver was important. Figuring out how to setup the suspension could be the difference between winning the stage and not completing it. A bad landing could rip your wheel off, and doing a 180 ending up with the wheels in the air meant you wouldn't finish the stage.
Any semi-serious racing game lets you enable full or partial damage. Only exception i can think of right now is Forza horizon 4, but even that hot mess has a damage option that slows down your car and makes it hard to steer
@@K3Techs Even FH4 has an option to enable simulation damage which will fully stop your car if enough damage is taken
@@blahorgaslisk7763 Need for speed vs DiRT vs DiRT Rally
Corsa does. BeamNG does, Iracing does. Even this game does, but I suspect it's disabled.
"Mainframe, not heard that in a while have you"
*Chuckling as IPLing a Mainframe system whilst watching the video*
I make a bet most people watching Jay's video don't know what IPL means. ;) (Man it's been decades since I've worked with a PDP system...)
I will be doing our IPL this weekend
I tried buying from them. After month+ of them telling me it would ship, I just got a refund.
Ifixit? If so try buy it on Amazon
@@lunartigersora4690 Probably meant the computer featured in the video.
@@mjc0961 ahhh, makes sense
I love this kind of mini PC more than the bulky standard mainstream pc, hope to see more graphic power on this kind of PC in the future
ETA also reviewed this one and he was pretty impressed. It worked great for most emulation as well if you're into emulation.
Did he say Gundam PC themed build??? Insert "breathing intensified" Giphy here
Me: That's small!
Me 2 minutes later: Wait, that was the box. Well sh-
Hahaha yeah no. The scary thing is if you muck with the tdp limits, the little thing is capable of drawing 65w. So this really isn't far off from a 3700x.
I mean, it's not really impressive if you compare it to a gaming laptop...
This would work in most office environments.
True, but then again, but if it's just office work, then so would Intel's integrated graphics. :)
"Barrel Roll" Good one :D
Edit:
I actually considered giving such a thing to old people. Having the VESA mount makes it perfect for one-monitor-setups. A screen with built-in USB Hub provides easily accessible USB Ports and the performance is good enough for Browsing and Office for the next years to come. And you don't need a big box suffocating beneath the table.
(Of course you can use the Hardware for many other things)
That was a lot of fun watching you play DIRT. Fun stuff. This computer would be great for a basic home office / family pc.
Crashes into a bale of hay "geez that's a big tyre" 🤣
This is pretty cool. Throwing in some stuff like this that is actually available will probably help. 😉
The Thumbnail could be a "that's what she said"-Quote
'TINY BUT POWERFUL' xD
For internal storage I'd go with two Western Digital 2 TB laptop-sized HDDs. For external storage I'd use a 4-bay external desktop drive cage to mount four Western Digital My Passport USB 3.0 5+ TB HDDs. Now you've got nearly 20 TBs of storage for media playback, data archives, general computing, gaming, renders, etc. You still leave the 2 front USB 3.0 port open for future expansion. I'd love this as a media player that could be cat resistant...Spread the drive cages out vertically or horizontally depending on how much desktop space you have. Possible uses could have it sitting hidden inside a podium shaped stand with adjustable height platform for mounting some manner of Man-to-Machine interface (keyboards, touch screen, Air Mouse, motion sensors, projected laser keyboards, etc.)
This is perfect. I was just recently trying to help a friend find a replacement for his potatoe laptop. These parts are similar to what I'm looking at.