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Pete Best vs Ringo Starr
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- Опубликовано: 8 авг 2024
- The Beatles fired Pete Best and chose Ringo Starr over him because "...Ringo was the better drummer," but was Best really all that bad? We take a look/listen to measure the validity of that claim.
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00:00-01:14 Intro
01:15-05:12 Backstory
05:13-11:11 Live performance reaction
11:12-13:50 Studio recording reaction
13:51-16:21 Further details
16:22-17:29 Final thoughts
17:30-21:41 Outro (outtakes)
#drums #petebest #drumming
Best’s overuse of the cymbal is very annoying.
In my honest opinion, I would say that Ringo Starr was the right drummer for The Beatles in the long run, because he could keep in time better as far as beats per minute is concerned. Also, Ringo is more creative with his fill-ins than Pete Best is; they are unforgettable like those in "A Day in the Life", "Hey Jude", and "Come Together". With all that said, while Pete Best is not an outstanding or phenomenal drummer, I would not say that he is an abominable one either. I was not bored by his playing, although I would have to agree with you that he was somewhat dragging in the video that you showed us. Anyway, I enjoyed your commentary Jerrid.
John or Paul I forget which said it wasn't so much Pete being a bad drummer, he was a bad Beatle.
the version of i saw her standing there is with ringo, not pete, rec at cavern okt 62, for sure. great video
It was George Harrison who kept asking paul and john to get ringo in to the band as ringo would hang out with them and go for a drink while pete would go and meet his German girlfriend regularly.
Pete was too busy eyeing up the girls, which is why his drumming tempo went out of time and was no good for studio work.
If you compare Pete's tempo at the start of the live I Saw Her Standing There (6:05) vs at the end (10:00) you can hear the difference. Best did not maintain the BPM, but slowed slightly. Same thing comparing 11:30 vs 13:10 (though not as pronounced a slide).
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Ouch! And that was one of the biggest gripes they had with him. He seems like a lovely person, but he was not and is not a good drummer. Pretty bad, honestly
Out of tempo many many times.
Not really. Hear Thank you girl toward the end Ringo speeds up like a Ferrari with the fills. He got better towards the end
For me Pete and Ringo are not great drummers but then they are not bad drummers either just there are better drummers out there.
My list of great drummers are.
Jimmy Chamberlain
Charlie Watts
Dave Abbruzzese
Zack Starkey
Vinnie Colaiuta
Josh Freese
Stewart Copeland
Jason Cooper
Simon Philips
Travis Barker
Boris Williams
Terry Chimes
Topper Headon
Clem Burke
Brian Bennett
Keith Moon
Kenny Jones
Budgie
Buddy Rich
Gilson Lavis
In 1960, the Beatles lineup was, John, Paul, George, Stuart, Pete.
So when you say "pocket drummers" you mean that Pete Best and Ringo Starr are Pokemon, right?
Pokedrums
Ringo Starmie vs. Pete Bastidon.
@@deannabayless8025 LOL Gotta catch em all!
BTW, did you see Badwolf shout you out in chat?
@@JerridFoiles I hadn't noticed but he showed me a screenshot.
That “studio recording” I Saw Her Standing There was actually a Cavern Club rehearsal with Ringo on Drums. If you want to hear Pete listen to the Decca audition.
Paul stated that when Ringo filled in for Pete when Pete wasn't available that he and the others knew that Ringo was the drummer for them however it took them two years to ask him to join. Paul and John are full of it saying they were always going to replace Pete when they found a better drummer, but wait didn't they find Ringo in Germany?
Ringo was already in a band at the time and he was dedicated to playing for them--playing for two bands at the same time would've been troublesome.
Pete Best would probably knock Ringo out in the first round - 'Float like Butterfly Sting like a Bee'.
Unfortunately for Pete , the Beatles weren't looking for a scrapper , they were looking for an actual drummer ... They found the perfect one . What did Pete do after the Beatles ? Did every other band in Liverpool rush around to offer him a gig ? Did the Rolling Stones make a trip North looking for the Big Beat that would make them stars ? Could Pete have played Rain ? Or done anything other than his clumsy , club footed , four on the floor , hamfisted no fills no frills gallop ? I think we know the answers to all those questions ... History ( and reality ) has spoken .
@@weehudyy Beatles young & really were looking for a good time, ha ha they lucked out but got stuck with ringo - who never had the wow factor ala john & paul - tons of great bands whose drummer kicked butt & received equal top billing: The Who, Tower of Power, Chicago, etc. Any drummer had it not been ringo at that time for the Beatles would have surfaced due to talented other three.
@@garytewa2538 Ahh the ignorance and arrogance of the uninitiated . Keith Moon couldn't keep time and the Who aren't in the same universe as the Beatles ...Chicago ? who ? give me a break a couple of forgettable MOR tunes 50 years ago , Tower of Power's horns sounded better with Little Feat ... and again How many units are they still shifting ? At least you could have named some class players , Levon Helm , Richie Haywood , Ziggaboo Modaliste , Earl Palmer , Hal Blaine ... History mocks you
@@weehudyy Your old school dinosaur ways keeps you living in the past - History & future puts you to shame probably like your family does with you - you best stay in the closet, I could get into even just Jazz great drummers alone but will let you stick to your boyfriend ringo - As Homer Simpson would say 'So Long Suckerrrrrrrr!! Hahahaaaaa!!!!
LOL. After a lifetime, people are still talking about this? No, Pete Best wasn't a great drummer. If he was, he would have been asked by other good Liverpudlian bands, like The Searchers and Gerry and The Pacemakers, after he was sacked. Best's mother, Mona, owned the Casbah Club and that was the stage The Silver Beatles needed for gigs. Pete could barely keep a beat, but it was better than nothing. On the Decca Tapes you can exactly hear how he sucked at drumming.
Ringo was a in a different dimension. He was an excellent drummer, made great fills but never tried to be in the limelight with unnecessary solo's. He only got one, literally in The End. As John said: it was always the plan to sack Pete Best if we could get a better drummer. Everything else (jealousy of Pete's good looks and talent, Epstein helping the 'jewish' Ringo) is nonsence.
Pete is okay. Ringo is okay. The whole story is okay.
okay
@@JerridFoiles Oki doki
Who is The Pete Best of The Ringo Starrs?
It’s impossible to say who was the better drummer at the time. Ringo has the weight of history behind him. Judging Pete on what he did as a 18,19, 20 year-old or now as an 80 year-old is ridiculous. I’m old enough to remember that Ringo was regarded as the luckiest guy in showbiz in the 60s because he was considered nowhere near the musician that the other three were. It’s only since the Beatles heyday that misty eyed popular opinion has built him up into some kind of genius. He was inventive because he was a leftie on a right-handed kit and because he didn’t have good technique. Yes, he held down the beat, but IMHO what many now call “genius” is only seen as such because of the nostalgia that surrounds it, not because no one else could have played it. Had they kept Pete in the band, would their trajectory have been the same? Probably. I’d suggest few people bought a Beatles record because of the drumming.
John said Pete was a good drummer but he wasn't a good Beatle. In Germany he often hook up with a girl and didn't make their show. Ringo played at another club then came to see The Beatles and they would have him fill in or Paul would play if Ringo wasn't there. The band would hang out after a show and Pete would leave. You can't have someone you can't depend on. The only band I was in we plated a show with 22-23 songs then did a 10 minute blues jam and it looked like we could start looking for shows, then the singer knocked up the drummers daughter and split and we could never get a singer that would show up for practice. It all fell apart after that.
Lol. “When Behind the Music returns…”
That was the universe telling you "you ain't the Dead, knock it off with the extended blues jams!"
@@rdrrr we did all the songs we had down, working on 5-6 more but not ready to play. the lead guitarist was a big blues fan and the crowd wanted to hear more. the band ranged form 15 to 55 in age and i don't think anyone listened to the dead, I didn't. it just happened.
@@scottcarter8155 Don't worry, I was just razzing you. Sorry you had to deal with singers being singers 😅
@@rdrrr they do think they walk on water, don't they?
Maybe Pete was a better "player" with the females and the other three lads got too jealous. After all, he was a handsome chap
and he did look quite manly with his hair combed back instead of down. No one ever seems to bring that up. Of course Ringo
didn't do bad either. From Maureen to Barbara....now that's what you call an upgrade!!!! Maybe it is true what they say about
those "cavemen"! But on a more serious note, I do think Ringo was a solid pocket drummer. And the lads probably could lock in
with him much better. The boys didn't need a Ginger Baker or Keith Moon. On a side note....has anyone heard the song "Ringo I
Love You (Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!)" by Cher? If not go search it out on youtube now!!!!! Here's a link....Not sure if it will show up or
not. But what a classic song. Enjoy! ruclips.net/video/rucS5DX8IRA/видео.htmlsi=Zgy5pDWRGS67henv
Ringo was FUNNY. Pete should have been a roadie with MAL. I would have kept him around as a PR Man. Hey at least it's a job
Couple of things. I'm not really sure you know what you are talking about. Granted, it's an opinion but Pete's performance on the first video was shocking. 2nd Performance with the Beatles was better... Can you play and sing "What goes on"
I just looked up that song, and yes I could. It's not a hard song to play at all. You're not really sure I know what I'm talking about? What was shocking about the first video? It sounds to me like you don't know what you're talking about.
@@JerridFoiles Put up a video of you singing and playing "what goes on"
The Pete Best Band still tours but he doesn't do as many as shows as he has in the past . But he has toured with his band around the world.
The video you picked of Pete doesn't do Petes ability any justice. That's not his band for a start.
I think you didn't research your subject very well. The Beatles first manager was a guy called Allan Williams . Brian Epstein came in later in their story.
Knocking a guy when he's down. His drumming was great so was the piano player and other musicians
The real question is…who would’ve played a better caveman?👀
But seriously, interesting video 👍
I don't get the joke...
@@JerridFoiles the Ringo Starr Caveman movie
LOL, OMG I didn't know about that movie (I just Googled it)! I mean, maybe Pete would have played the lead...?
John NEVER said that "Ringo isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles".
Stop the hoax!
Watch that segment again…
Now I'm not saying Pete was a drumming virtuoso here, but he was still considered pretty good and if you do any real research, you will find that after removing Pete from the band they asked 4 other drummers to drum for them who all turned them down because they didn't like what they were doing to Pete. Not only did they not go straight to Ringo, but they weren't even considering Ringo until they had no other choice. He was literally the bottom of the barrel last resort as he was the only other drummer around at the time who could at least keep decent time, and he happened to say yes, or they might have had to stop for a while. Most don't know this and don't want to know this because they don't want the truth to get in the way of a good story. Strictly speaking, Pete got screwed and Ringo, who was a very average ordinary no frills, no thrills drummer, got lucky, simple as that.
You are way off, not that I don't want to hear the truth, is that I don't want to hear someone like you who has a personal vendetta against Ringo, and are trying to rewrite history to fit their narrative. They didn't ask 4 drummers after Pete, they went for Ringo because Harrison like his playing, and the guys like him better.
Where did you get this information ??? I have never found any info like this, and I have been researching this issue all my life since it happened
@@fastguned The first 2 drummers they asked to join them were Bobby Graham who was a really good session drummer who turned them down and Richie Galvin who also turned them down. Look up those drummers and you'll find out that Ringo wasn't the first one asked to join them after Pete. Ringo didn't suck and I have nothing against him, but he wasn't anything to write home about either and he definitely wasn't the all-time great drummer people try to crack him up to be. He was adequate, but nothing more.
@@jimo3173 I actually stumbled across a video of someone confirming what you're saying. after my comment. You probably know that Bobby Graham was the studio drummer for the Dave Clark 5 and The Kinks. also may others. I saw the Dave Clark 5 in 1964 in Montgomery Alabama and Dave's drumming was not up to par. Well the DC5 weren't that good. Roy Orbison played too and he and his band mopped the floor with the DC5 There is a rumor that Bobby or Mel Taylor of the Ventures played drums on Monster Mash. The drums sound like Bobby to me.
@@fastguned That was one major reason why Bobby Graham turned them down, because he already had a good thing going for himself with the studio work leading to a lot of hits and playing live. Dave Clark 5 were okay but not that good, you're right about that. Monster Mash could have been Bobby, but it could have been a good few other drummers too. It did have something of a surf type feel to it so who knows, it even could have been Dennis Wilson lol.
Is any of this still a thing ? Paul said when Ringo used to fill in with them in Hamburg , everything ' felt right ' , John said they were lucky to get him , he was a working professional ( with his own car ! ) and they were just ' herberts ' . The ' not even the best drummer in the Beatles ' quote was actually Jasper Carrott , a seriously ordinary pommy ' comedian ' .. . When the Beatles backed Tony Sheridan at Polydor in Germany ' producer, legendary bandleader Bert Kamfeort made Pete Best take his bass drum out of the studio . Ringo was the Beatles drum machine ... He was there for every session , when he had enough , everyone went home . Pete Best was a one trick pony , and it wasn't a very good one . An adequate four on the floor , meat and potatoes , no frills thumper . Fine for dancehalls and tiny clubs, but totally out of his depth in the studio ... He got a huge Pay Day when the anthology came out , I should be so lucky . Try and play some of Ringo's iconic parts sometime ... and the weird ones . Rain , Ticket to Ride , I Am the Walrus , Come Together ... Ringo was the guy . End. Of . Discussion .
Wow, did you even watch the video?
How come the other three Beatles got so much better in Hamburg but everyone claims Pete Best was a horrible drummer. Doesn’t make sense.
I agree, but like I said, in the video, the best theory that I can come up with is, Pete didn’t do a lot of fills, and they wanted someone with more pizzazz
Maybe Pete "got so much better" with the females too and the other three lads got very jealous. After all, he was a handsome chap
and he did look quite manly with his hair combed back instead of down. No one ever seems to bring that up. Of course Ringo didn't
do bad either. From Maureen to Barbara....now that's what you call an upgrade!!!! Maybe it is true what they say about those "cavemen"!
Frankly Ringo Starr is the Great Beatles Member ever recruited in history. They will never sounds better on records of they're not fired Pete Best really lousy Drummer 🥁 Ringo Starr is The Best Drummer 🥁 in the whole wide world 🌍
You were fine when you said, 'Frankly Ringo Starr is the great Beatles member ever recruited in history.'
It was when you said, 'Ringo Starr is the best drummer in the whole wide world' that is a little subjective, don't you think?
First that thing that Lennon supposedly said " Ringo is not the best drummer in the Beatles " is completely untrue and have been debunked a while ago. It's actuality a comedian that said that, and then it has been reposted and reused, like James Hatfields had said " Lars is not even the best drummer in Metallica." Don,t believe everything you hear or read online.
Rewatch that segment. I mentioned that it wasn’t true.
@@JerridFoiles my bad, I haven't been able to watched the whole thing right away, but I will.
Much of Beatles lore is fiction designed for good publicity during their glory years. Pete was not a bad drummer. There's no way they would have kept him in the band for two whole years if he sucked as bad as people like to claim now.
The band did not ask for Pete to be replaced. No one from EMI at their audition suggested that Pete be replaced. George Martin told Brian Epstein that IF he offered The Beatles a recording contract he was going to use a session drummer in the studio, a practice that was quite common then. Epstein panicked and thought that the recording contract might be in jeopardy. He was the one who told John, Paul, and George that Pete needed to go.
Another fallacy is that the lads had wanted Ringo all along. Once the decision was made to replace Best two other drummers were offered the job before they asked Ringo, but they both said no. Epstein even asked a fourth drummer after Ringo had already said yes, but when he turned them down Ringo got the job by default.
After the Beatles broke up John Lennon famously claimed that Best was a lousy drummer that they always intended to replace, but John also said "The Beatles were at their best when they were playing in the clubs in Hamburg and Liverpool. That was the real Beatles." That's when Pete was the drummer.
In the end I believe Ringo was a better fit both musically and personally, but I also believe that Beatlemania would have happened with either drummer. The real magic that made the difference was having George Martin as their producer. He was vital to their early success.
_cringe_ Yea, ok... Thanks for the comment?
John Lennon didn't say that about Ringo. Its a myth.
The live one in the bar, Pete was a little off time. I have seen him live and he was better than this but he was not better than Ringo
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Ringo is waaaay better.
And captain America is lame as fuk.
Batman would kick his ass.
Pete is NOT as bad as the shirt and headphones you have on. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your mom bought me that shirt
What I like the most from the whole video is the female singer who is so attractive to me and she is soo hot.
Pete and band mangled that song.