PCGS unboxing Disaster. Give back my Cameos!! Plus, 1939 Proof Set, Morgan dollars.
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Guess the PCGS grades with me as I unbox a 1939 Proof set, Morgan dollars, and more. In lieu of flowers please make a donation in the name of Dr. G to your favorite charity. :)
What does cameo mean, I would assume the cameo finish of proofs right?
Cameo is a term coin collectors use to distinguish coins that exhibit a frosty device (portrait) along with a smooth mirrored field, or flat part of the coin. A cameo is a small piece of jewelry that women wore frequently in past societies. If you look it up you'll see it's a broach with a carved portrait in relief that is usually white and frosty against a dark oval background. Coin collectors noticed that some coins resembled this effect and just applied it to numismatics. In coins, it just implies a textural contrast between the devices and the fields. A black and white effect so to speak. Any coin can have a cameo appearance, but the grading services usually call proof coins that exhibit the effect "cameo, or deep cameo", and the business strike coins that have the effect "proof like, or deep mirror proof like" coins. Very few vintage coins have these types of surfaces and they're highly sought after. By the way, both sides of a coin have to display the cameo effect in order for it to be labeled a cameo by the grading companies. Hope this helps. Thanks for the comment.
Dr. G how come you haven't uploaded any coin videos lately? Everything ok? I just assumed you been busy hat the gold mine lol
A cameo is a raised surface -- highly noticeable, usually a portrait (but not always). The later proofs (you may have noticed) are virtually ALL cameos because they've altered the dies to produce that affect -- whereas a cameo early proof is rare. And I may be prejudiced but I believe the U.S. produces the most beautiful coins in the world! -- generally speaking.
Learn = Search Google
having highly polished fields and frosted devices. They weren't very frosty.
Looks like NGC was the more accurate TPG. And CAC agreed. I sure would never crack out a CAC'd coin just to put it in a different piece of plastic. You said don't take these grades too seriously, and NGC is a very respected TPG, so why pay so much money to put coins in different pieces of plastic. Put that money towards more coins and just enjoy the coins : )
Coin Guy but I see coins doubling if they get graded good, I’m new to this but that seems like a good deal.?
Coin Guy I agree pay for the coin not the holder.
It's a little bit more complicated that that, and there's a lot of debate as to which holder makes a coin more valuable. One thing I've noticed though with the argument "buy the coin, not the holder" is that people don't state their primary motivation before they start to argue. There are two very different sides of the street when it comes to numismatics. One side sees this as an investment (monetary value), and the other looks at this as a hobby (an expense that they enjoy). These are two very different people who just happen to use the same item to achieve their goals. (I happen to be strictly a collector, I make my money in other ways).
The actual holders mean very little to me, PCGS gives you the option of grading without holdering, and I considered that, but the holder is free so I just let them holder it and I'll remove the coins when I want later.
It's the grade I'm interested in at the moment. I have plans for many of these coins as far as displaying them. And having the coins graded from the same company will make it a lot better (easier) for me when that eventually happens. I'll show the final product when I can get things the way I want. Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see the comment until recently.
@@Dr.G also, if your like me .. I want all my plastic to be the same company ;) ..
Tarry Smith Sr. 👍
Paying someone to cause your collection to lose $1,000+ in value. What a deal
Yeah, can you believe that? I know a good deal when I see one. LOL
knpstrr makes you scratch the short hairs.!
This would make me so pissed...
This is the risk you take, you believe something is of a higher grade so you send it in. If you think it will come out different with a different grader, crack the plastic like you did before.
The guys who graded it at NGC probably don't even work there anymore.
im glad you had a great trip up in the Yukon! i am definitely a big fan of the television series since day one! looking forward to your next upload! as far as the coins go this is one of the most interesting and very teachable type videos ive seen!! those cameos disappeared but it’ll come full circle soon. thx for sharing
ps and also i learned something very valuable with a very high caliber coin i literally just purchased that i was worried about! the die scratches on your nickel didnt effect the grade so my hopes are high:)
Yeah, if the mint scratched it you still have a good chance of getting a decent grade. Good luck with your new coin. Thanks for watching,
Interesting dude. Would love to see another video about owning a Yukon “claim” heck maybe even a tour of your truck stealth camping setup or off grid cabin.
This is a terrific video, by the way. Please keep 'em coming. You've got a gift for making the mundane quite fascinating. Low key works!
Thanks Al. I have lots of coins and memorabilia to show, but like most people, there is always something more important for me to do that delays the next coin video. But I really love to make them and I will continue as time permits. This is a fascinating hobby, "especially to those who love history", and I'm enjoying it immensely. I really appreciate the kind words my friend, thanks again.
My condolences Dr G but a good learning experience which I hope can be rectified as well. You are absolutely right on it being subjective - in fact I'm used to the folks at pcgs grading the other way around; cameo in NGC holders coming back as DCAM. They seem to be harder on US coinage... I still can't explain how the '52 could lose the cameo especially when that coin was CAC certified. They need to take a second look at that one for sure. Thanks again for another great video - can't wait for the next one, all my best.
Always enjoy your comments my friend. I will run that 52 through one more time, (although my expectations are now much lower, and maybe more practical). As far as a learning experience, you're absolutely right, I think that's the key. (see my comment regarding that to Crown Collector). Thanks again.
I really enjoy your videos. I make very little money so as a coin collector I get to be there with you as you unbox the coins many of us would enjoy owning. You made my day today as I have had some disappointments buy coins myself. I'm currently bidding on a coin that the owner claims is dmpl and very high ms. I'll let you know if I win and the out come. Keep making videos Dr. G!
27:05 They're way too busy over there doing the truly important work of coin grading... figuring out whether the American Eagles are 69 or whether they're 70.
Hahahaha. You are so right. Kind of a joke.
I don't get why people send bullion coins to be graded. And to me it's very hard to tell the difference between a 69 and a 70.
@@davidho2977 I bought one it's a PCGS MS70 so take that everybody, plus it's in one of the special-first-early-plastic holders; it's worth the premium I paid just to be able to look at it and ask myself why. Some people even have them in the "emergency" holder so they got the good-good plastic damn. Dr. G and I might agree that it's probably best if the coin graders don't pick up that kind of work at all. If they want to play long ball and continue to exist. It's better for instance, for NGC to focus harder on ancients, and dominate that part of the market, by acquiring more skills and offering the fruits to their customers. NGC is having a lot of problems right now, it's such a shame. PCGS is having their own problems. I might run to ANACS because it's looking like the only underappreciated house in the neighborhood.
Dr. G: I really appreciate seeing your videos, so I am subscribing to your channel. This has really been informative. Thanks so much. Cheers.
Thanks for the great comment my friend. I wish I had more time to show the other stuff I have. One day...😀
Dude your voice sounds so awesome when the video is played at 1.25 x I'm a huge fan of unboxing videos especially PCGS ones, thank you so much keep it up.
Thanks Nick. Will do.
I love watching your videos, man. You have a really cool positive attitude. Hard to find around my parts.
Cam on my friend, I appreciate it. :)
Wow! That's very unfortunate. Excellent video though! I must admit, you make the best "grading results" videos. They're very well made! Keep up the good work!
Thank you Jean-Max, I really appreciate it. I try and do the best I can. You're very kind.
Sorry Jean, I'm afraid of the liability. And plus, it's a lot of work. Numistacker does lots of that. I don't know how he has the energy.
Ok, thanks
As the old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
From the videos I've been watching NGC seems to be the more accurate of the two companies. PCGS is sending a lot of coins back as cleaned and Tooled. I would not even think of sending in a coin to pcgs unless it was a modern proof.
Yeah, I'm not relying too much on either one these days. Just learn your series and grade your own coins. Thanks for the comment.
How much did it cost to get all those coins graded. And is it better to get a bunch graded rather than one at a time?
It's about $30 bucks a coin and there is a service fee and shipping per order so it's cheaper per coin to get many coins graded together. Thanks for the comment.
@@Dr.G thanks for your reply my friend ~ Corey
Would love to see a whole collection tour, or a type set tour.
I love your enthusiasm when you see a beautiful coin. Makes me appreciate them more. 👍
Awesome Mark. The coins are a great link to the past; which by the way, I think was a much better time than we have now. Beautiful pieces of art. Thanks again my friend.
I just stumbled on here. Great stuff! Love the light hearted “WhatchaGonnaDo” attitude. They indeed are, subjectively, cameo. I noticed the CAC sticker. I hope everything worked out for you. Appreciate the joyful spirit. Be safe in this crazy world we’re riding kids. Peace.
Thanks so much Bruce. I have a good time. LOL. Be well bud.
Welcome home Dr G. enjoyed the video. beautiful coins. Glad you can laugh about your misfortune. Grin and bear it 😊
Thank you Chaz, I'm glad to be back. And my misfortune "was" shocking for sure, but in the end it's just a coin, (and a few bucks) :) Thanks for the comment.
@@Dr.G You've got a great attitude. I have to admit I'd be angry -- and PCGS does this all the time! They can't even consistently grade the the same coin twice. And this hobby is literally overflowing with numbnuts who actually believe that PCGS is some kind of superior grading company.
Hahahah, I believe you're right Al. It took a while before I realized that grading MS coins is really a personal preference thing. Circulated coins have guidelines of wear to follow, but mint state coins include so much toning and surface texture differences that you can put very few rules to the grading. Now a days I use the grading results from "all" the companies solely as a starting point... not a ending point. Often you can find a nice coin to your preference with a lower grade offering great value. People today are just paying for grades and that opens up a lot of beautiful coins that would other wise be out of reach to most of us. "because someone put one number lower grade on the holder" :) Thanks for the comment my friend.
With all that nice silver nobody would know the 1942 Proof Lincoln was worth the most. I knew it because I am penny collector and those older proofs were very low mintages and hard to find in high grades!
Copper is difficult to preserve. It likes to 'disappear' over time. LOL
Great video! You're probably the most satisfied I've seen yet with the grading companies, and what seems to be somewhat inconsistent appraisal standards. I'm kind of new to this and the scariest part seems to be the grading. Why is the same coin, same grade, worth more if its graded by one grading company, rather than another? I've seen this. Like I said its kinda scary. Sometimes, one grade lower, is a lot of money! I did appreciate your great attitude about the whole thing! Thanks again
Hey, thanks Keith. I've learned to not take the grades too seriously. Like you said, lots of inconsistency and sometimes a huge jump in price between grades. I now regard the grades as just a starting point, the numbers give no more than a general report of condition. You really have to learn the series you are interested it and do the grading yourself. There is so much personal preference here. And that, by the way, could save you a lot of money. Look for coins that are graded lower but are well made, with fine details. Buy the coins that are attractive to you. If you're a dealer, then this advise is out the window, because they are only interested in the grades. Collectors like coins, dealers like numbers.😀
😂"3 guys looked over". One guy looked over it for 2 seconds.
I can't explain how pissed I would be
Hahahah, 👍
I have two PCGS graded proof silver Washingtons and they gave a Cameo designation to one with slight-at-best frosted devices, and the other has much more heavily frosted devices and they didn't call it Cameo. Depends on the luck of the draw you get with who grades it. Sad but true.
You're right Matt. An expensive gamble. :)
Hi- I collected pcgs cameo Franklins for about 10 years .Pcgs is about 5-10 deeper cameo required to get a cameo designation as ngc .If they can correct one of the earlier weaker cameos they designated from years before they will . At one point I had the number 5 ranked franklin proof set at PCGS Registry .The problem is there are so few deep cameos there is not much chance to upgrade your set after you reach a certain point .Like take the 1950 franklin only 5 coins are slabbed in deep cameo 1 coin at 66 and 4 coins at 64 .So if your going to collect all coins in deep Cam 64 is the best you can ever obtain unless the number one set is broken up with the 66 deep cam in it .To be honest the coin that is 66 deep cameo is really not that nice of a coin ,Rick Tomaska pushed pcgs for the grade but it really was not deep enough for the deep cameo designation .My collection had a 67 cameo 50 that was hands down a deep cameo reverse with strong cameo obverse , but no where to go to upgrade .Cameo franklins are very undervalued and a good investment as such .there just was not that many of them only the first few off a new or reworked die made a cameo ,unlike the modern proof where all were deep cameo.
Wow Vik, you know your stuff. Very interesting comments. I've read Rick Tomaska's work on Franklin halves, and I really love the cameos. You're way ahead of me with all your experience, and the interest in deep cameos. "Regular cameos"are still new to me, so Ultra cameos are just dreams for the future. lol I agree with your assessment of PCGS vs. NGC though, (from the little experience I've had with them). Thanks so much for the great comment Vik.
Your a better man than I am for laughing at the situation. I saw the net loss at the end of your video and it's significant. A couple of questions Dr. G:
A. Why transfer NGC to PCGS if your grades were pretty decent?
B. Why did you unslab before submission. You can submit the coin(s) slabbed and they won't make a fuss about it (at least NGC won't). Boy these guys are brutal! In a lighter note, I'm glad your venture in Dawson City went well.
Great question Gerardo, I am planning on displaying some of these proof sets in a unique way in the near future that necessitates all the coins being graded from the same company. (I'll make a video of that when it happens). And you're right, I should have just submitted the 1950 cameo half in the original holder for upgrading. In my mind the suffix portion of the grade (the cam) was not even an issue. I was just concerned with the numeric grade. I figured it could not grade lower that the original 64 so I was safe...LOL.... BAD MOVE.... I'm smarter now...:)
Ah, I also use the same holders for sets. I guess it has to do with the meticulous attention collectors exercise in their hobbies. Dr. G, take care and keep us posted (we learn as you learn).
Gerardo V. Will do buddy. Thanks
@Dr. G the way you sound about the coins being in same packs, makes me assume you are a master craftsman or know someone that is, and making a beautiful wooden display cabinet ............
Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!
Wow! I just watched a few videos, to learn the difference between non cameo, cameo, deep cameo, and ultra cameo. From what I watched before this, it sure looks like a cameo to me. I agree with you.
Thanks for the comment. 👍👍
That first set was sweet! You lucky dog!
Haha, thanks bud. :)
Great video! Love em! I knew they were gonna say proof 66! Keep the good videos coming!
Thanks buddy I appreciate it. 😊
Back again. I remember the day you posted "Give Er A Yank"
Not taking a poke at you, but it is nice you can "laugh-off" the initial sting of what happened. It may not seem like much, but it make the video much more pleasant to watch. Maybe someone else would have started ranting and raving. Also thanks for letting us learn from your mistake. I appreciate it.
Thanks Scott for the kind words. I appreciate it.
Dr. G: Thanks for your ending comments about making sure PCGS will only upgrade your coins. That could save everyone a LOT of money. Thanks again. Cheers.
Thanks Jim for all the kind words. I appreciate it. 👍👍
Great unboxing,W/ some crazy results... thank you for sharing
Thanks Joe 😊
The scratches on the nickel are most likely polish marks on the die. The fields are the high spots on the die so they show the scratches right up to the details. The scratches don't count against the grade, even though they can be distracting.
Yeah, I hate those scratches. LOL. Even though the grading companies don't count those when grading, I sure do, and I wouldn't pay the same price for equally graded coins where one has scratches and one doesn't. Grading coins "as made" doesn't fly with me. A poorly made coin is worth less than a fantastically made coin, and should be graded as such. At least in my opinion. 😊
Busted man good on you ! Those are Cameo’s and I just can’t believe there incompetence Wow. I am going to send a bunch here in Canada to CCCI but I’m going to do a video before I send them . They should fix yours and compensation should be given big time and give you some freebies. Thanks and look forward to hearing how you do. Jp
I LOVE that 39 proof set. I’m trying to put a 39 set and a 40 set together to honor my parents birth years. I have about half of each so far.
Hahah. Our parents are exactly the same age. That’s pretty crazy.
Fabulous video, my friend. Sorry for the cameos that got away. The 1939 lineup is just stunning with nice grades to boot. As you advise, fill out the paperwork very carefully. Hindsight is 20/20, as usual
Yeah that was a pretty big surprise lol. I did get the 52 cameo back in a following video. Definitely a learning experience. 😊
@@Dr.G hey hey! Had to come back to see the classic video. Wanted to see “The item” in the hands of the master again 😂 Good stuff. This is one of my favorite vids. I can remember being soooo jealous watching this. Well, until the costs were discussed LOL
@@CSAN Hahahahahahahahah
Wish we could get some more unboxing Dr G!
Thank u man for the unboxing, i really learned a lot from u, as a begginer and a lot of others too I think ur doin good good luck, thanks.
You're welcome Ignacio, thanks for the nice comment.
Great video as always. I don't think you did too bad...though I understand the annoyance of dealing with the downgrade to get it in a PCGS slab. I think your halfs are both Cam...but not the cents. Better luck on the next submission!
Again, I'm with you. The cent is weak. That 52 cam was difficult to find, and expensive. Hate to lose it. The 50 half, after looking at it 100 times, LOL, I believe it was properly graded at the original 64 cam. Anyway, lesson learned.
When it's all said and done.... I just love that 39 proof set...:)
.....I have heard Coin Dealers talk about continuing to send coins in for certification until they got the grade they wanted or at least one they were satisfied with.....That gave me a education and was a eye opening moment.....This was before the CAC yet as a young collector it made me realize that they have no idea how many times they have certified the same coin that will just skew every data for any grade with obviously the lower grades appearing to have more coins slabbed because most of these dealers would pop them out and send them in again.....
Yeah, the Crack out/re submission thing is ridiculous. I think sellers should disclose how many time they submitted the coins they sell. If I was buying a coin I would definitely want to know. Thanks for the comment.
"Nice Coins Dr G."
the Morgans semi key date 1995-O was very interesting and nice, I have a Question did you check it for varieties?
Cause I think I seen something. Look forward to hearing from you:-)
P.S. YOU ROCK SIR!!!⭐👍
David Bennett good point Dave I'll have a look at that morgan when I have a chance. Thanks for giving me the heads up.
Nice video. I love the 1939 toned Mercury.
Viviana, I just looked at a couple of your videos. You go girl. Great job. I love the "toners" as well. :) Thanks for the comment.
Dr. G thx I appreciate that a lot :)
Very Informative, Bravo !
Whew so close to matching grades...I was rooting for the 66RD...LOL
Hahaha. Thanks for the comment bud 👍
Amazing peices of history you have there my friend. Thank you for sharing that. WiLL Definitely hit that 🛎
Thanks bud, I appreciate it. :)
Franklins, there's a ton of them like that. Every date has one. I think it might mean, it's not DMPL. I would say mine are cameo, There is a difference between the two terms like DMPL is frosty and dark mirror where these have the same finnish. Who knows with these guys.
One other thing -- "full band", or full split bands not only means the center tie, it also means that the ends of the stalks are cleanly delineated as well! At least that has always been my understanding. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Sounds good to me Al. The full bands, full head, full bell lines, full torch, ect. all refer to the quality of the workmanship of the coin. If "full split bands" includes the stalks I'm all for it. :) I really don't know what the convention regarding that is. But I will take this opportunity to gripe about how PCGS deals with full bell lines. Originally collectors were defining a well made Franklin by the full detailed bell on the reverse. If the strike was good and the coin was well made you could clearly see the lines on the bell in the center of the coin. So full bell lines were recognized by the grading services, and noted on the label. But remember this notation was to recognize how well made a coin was. In their own grading videos PCGS states that if one of the lines is broken by any external source, eg. bag mark, the coin would not qualify for the full bell lines designation. This is absolutely ridiculous "in my opinion". Was the coin well made, or not? Was the strike strong, or not? What happened to the coin "after" it was struck is why we have numeric grades for "surface preservation", it has nothing to do with the way a coin was made. A well made coin can't all of the sudden be "not" well made because another coin hits it, or even if it gets run over by a truck... If you can still see three full bell lines, it is a well made coin... forever. Anyway, I'll get off my soap box now. LOL
@@Dr.G I too am LOL -- and I couldn't agree more. Some people, unfortunately, think FBL on a Franklin means the crack in the bell ...oh my! Btw, when you say "well made" I am assuming you mean "well struck" or cleanly struck.
The 1950 Half that you broke out of an older PCGS holder strengthens my belief that, in today's environment, PCGS won't grade a coin if it will significantly affect a coin's census. A cameo or dcam brings a huge premium in cam/dcam. By losing the "cam" designation, the coin actually lost nearly 50% of it's value, even though it received a whole grade higher. These boys are looking out for influential high-end collectors & won't allow even a single coin to mess up a high value example.
You might be right my friend. Thanks for the comment.
PCGS = Professional Coin Grading SCam.
OMG I’d be bouncing off the walls over that 1951 Lincoln cent...I knew immediately how big of a hit that was.. that’s a tough coin to get in the original NGC grade
Good videos, well done! Would be neat to know how much you paid for each coin and what they're worth after grading. Keep the coin and gold vids coming hey! Cheers
Thanks my friend. A lot of these coins were bought as parts of collections, so it's difficult to tell how much I paid for each coin. In the later videos I do note the price after grading. Thanks again for the kind words.
Awesome video
Rookie question
When you submit a coin do you just send the coin as is or do you document your thoughts of what you think it may grade?
Im a rookie and would like to know how you send them also😊
No, you just send in the coin with no identification at all( beside the address to return it). The actual graders are not supposed to know who sent it in or anything else about it. It's unmarked. But who knows. LOL. Thanks for the comment.
Great video 🔥🔥🔥🔥your coin game is awesome ......
Ha, thanks. :)
SMH at them taking the cameos, especially on that last Franklin. Now you know why TPGs have all been accused of inconsistent grading.
I believe when you have a mint state coin that Has been cleaned, a AU designation is the grade it will get by default.
I had a 1932 D quarter that was amazing. It had a small dark spot near the date that looked smudged and may has been lighty rubed. Even though this coin was flawless with amazing mint luster. the smudge caused it to received a AU grade.
It went from a $100,000 coin down to a $200 coin.
Well it is the most beautiful $200 1932 D quarter I have ever seen.
You might be right bud.
Man that is tough stuff!! They are definitely cameos!!!
Yeah, those guys are tough over at PCGS. :) Thanks for the comment.
Welcome back from the vacation and congrats. Tough luck on the cameos. This video shows how grading can be very subjective
That's for sure Compton, thanks for the comment.
I hope that you enjoyed your time away, but happy to see you back, I have had several Coins graded by PCGS & NGC SLABS. BUT I'M like you PCGS is a little bit better and holds a better results in re-selling latter on and pop usually is lower witch is why they bring more money. js
Only my opinion🤓
David Bennett yeah I agree with you David. I've seen the same thing.
Dr G - Love your Videos.... I am having to watch replays now... Any chance you have any new videos coming out? You viewing public is starved for more Dr G Unboxing Videos... ECP
Hahahah, working on it bro. Slow but sure. :)
Thank you very much for a lesson.
Glad you enjoyed it my friend. 👍👍
How much does PCGS charge per coin to grade and do you have to send in a minimum??? BTW great video.
The prices vary depending on how valuable the coin is. But figure around 25-35 bucks a coin average. No minimun but the shipping and handling are rediculous. Thanks for the comment.👍
As always love your video's. Bye the way I think your 52 Franklin is cameo ! Look forward to new videos. Let us know what you got from your gold prospecting.
Thanks Tom, I did resubmit that 52 Franklin and got the Cameo designation back. I show it on the following video. Also the gold mining video has a little of what I found up there. Thanks for watching.
thanks! very much entertaining and efucational for beginner like me, good job.
Greg Gabo we're both beginners Greg. Have a great time collecting. There are lots of nice people in the hobby as well. Thanks for the comment.
Im very new to coin collecting so may i ask what does cameo mean in coin collecting.
I should have mentioned that in the video, sorry. :) A cameo is when a coin has frosty, or rough devices, (the lettering, and design) and the fields (the flat part of the coin) are smooth and mirrored. A non cameo coin just looks like a super shiny chrome coin. It's difficult to describe in words, so you should google it and see photos of what they look like. Cameo coins are much rarer than regular coins. And worth a lot more. Thanks for the comment brother. :)
Thank you for replying
Make some coin videos my man. Would love to see what you have. Anything is cool.
Ok i will tomorrow
Awesome..
Great Video. Very Beautiful 1939 Proof Set.
Thanks bud, I appreciate it. 👍
Another thing with grading, NGC values & PCGS values can be VERY different, so you can't compare them with each other, it will be like comparing apples to oranges. Where in this video did you show the 1951 cent? I couldn't find it.
Car1Sagan the cent is 21 min into the video. The argument regarding who is more accurate between NGC and PCGS is continuous. But theoretically they should be similar. Neither one advertises a difference.
Tough call on some of those coins. Regardless, beautiful for the collection!
Thanks my friend. :)
That 56 Benny still one of the top 177 coins in the PCGS universe.
Would you prefer a 65 score over cameo? Do you not like NGC? I love numismatics also
Yeah, Ag47, the score is not as important to me as a cameo designation. NGC is a good grading service, but I've noticed a slight selling price increase with PCGS for a comparably graded coin. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Great video. Those proof sets must be worth a fortune.
The earlier proof sets can get pricey, but after 1953 or so, the price comes way down. Most dates after that are under a hundred bucks. Thanks for the comment.
Yeah, I had A 1881 s Morgan grade @ MS64 as well, and realized how many of those common dates are saturating populations. PCGS, especially, take silver dollars super serious, for these exact reasons, too.
Good narrative. Liked seeing the coins, TY
@Dr. G How much did it cost you then to get them graded?
Around 25 a piece.
If you have a great grade of a cameo on a coin, why do you send it in to another company to regrade, I do not understand? Thank you, Alicia
PCGS has had me baffled for years and, frankly, I flat out do not trust them at all anymore. They are so subjective it's frightening. They can't grade their own coins twice and come up with the same grade. I took a coin grading course from them in Long Beach, CA a few years back and surprised their graders with coins THEY had graded -- and in half the cases they couldn't come within a grade an a half of what they had graded previously! And cameo, deep cameo, non-cameo? Fuggedaboudit! By the way, the 1939 Merc dime at PR66 was (in my opinion) way better that the '42 Merc at PR67. Lastly, ANAACS is a WAY better grader than PCGS. So is NGC. But PCGS have the coin stores at their mercy; so the myth that PCGS slabbed coins are best keeps getting perpetuated by dealers as well as the liars and incompetents at PCGS.
Wow, what an interesting comment. I agree 100% with you regarding the subjectivity, especially mint state, and proof coins. It's just all over the place. And as I learn more about the minting process, I've come to appreciate a well made coin, and the grading services don't really care how well made a coin is. If a mint state or proof coin has nice toning and isn't bagged they often give very high grades, even if the strike is horrible or the mint worker has polished the die so much that half the detail is gone. It seems what is important to them is not what is important to me. I have realized that the more I learn about coins the lower I have come to regard the grading system. There is so much "opinion" when it comes to grading high grade coins. The lower grade coins are easy to grade because there are defined criteria involved. Grading mint state coins seems to be close to ridiculous. And in the end if someone is giving their opinion and is unwilling to state the reasons for their opinions, eg. the grading companies, I end up having very little respect for what they say. I think people need to pick a coin they like, look at 50 or so examples and decide for themselves what aspects of that coin "they" like. Forget about the grade 100%. Just figure out what you like, then buy coins based on that, not the grade. People are so afraid to argue with the grading companies. It's ridiculous. Anyway, I could go on forever here Al. Great comment buddy, thanks for the input.
@@Dr.G Many thanks to you, DOC ! I appreciate your good advice about buying what looks good to me -- and I have done that from time to time, but for the sake of value the slabbed grade can be vital. Again, I thank you for taking the time to answer.
PCGS = Professional Coin Grading Scam.
Great video and just wanted to let you know that Mike GPO sent me! The gold prospecting makes me seriously interested!! Thanks for the vid and sharing!!
You're welcome buddy, thanks for the comment.
Those are Definitely CAMEOS... Believe they better get their eyes checked 👍🏽😁 Overall You Have REALLY NICE COINS DUDE! They POP Out At Ya! 👍🏽💯🏁
Thanks boss 👍👍
@@Dr.G Well hey I'm Nobody...I Collect A few ...But a...Yours are Beyond Immaculate! You know exactly what to pick and Get them Somehow! I Get the feeling you been Around in this Game A lot longer than you let on my friend 👍🏽😁💯
Very nice coins. Doesn't surprise me that the NGC crossovers held up overall. Not sure what their issues with the cameos were. Maybe just to dis on NGC? Wonder what would happen if you sent them in cracked? Some of the older ANACS holders have held up when I sent them in.
The whole thing is a crap shoot Jeff. Just enjoy your coins and forget about the grades. I'm finally learning. LOL.
@@Dr.G So true. Also, when you find a good coin you have been looking for, at a fair price, grab it. Don't wait for the perfect one.
Great advice Jeff. You can always upgrade if you find a better one. Just make sure you don't overpay for the initial item.
Thanks for taking the time to educate us.
You're welcome Quentin. Loved your Cat in the Hat video.
It's always nice to see a Dr. G video. I always like to see Walker and Merc proofs. That 1918 Standing quarter does look whizzed or polished. That is obviously artificial luster. It's a shame because that quarter has nice details. I believe people whizz coins with a buffing wheel. That 1956 Franklin is deserving of Cameo because of the obvious contrast. I dig the toning on the 1880-S and 1890. It's a shame that a couple of your coins lost their Cameo designation when they cross over to PCGS.
Thanks a lot for the great comment Swag. You're a very knowledgeable guy, and I love to read the detailed comments you leave on YT videos. Keep them coming. :)
The 1939 half ..wow what a beautiful coin
Thanks a lot for the nice comments, I appreciate it. 👍
@@Dr.G I had to watch this video again. I am in love with that half. It's my favorite coin by far. And that is the most beautiful one I have seen. To me it looks flawless. I think the grade is to low. The reverse is unbelievable.
Why send them out if the NGC label had the cameo and grade you wanted?
Why not? if he's curious, and has the time and money for this, I commend him. It's good to see what other graders are doing ...especially PCGS, who I wouldn't trust to separate peas from carrots.
@@TheAvenstar Curious...why don't you trust PCGS?
@@smking100 It's way too long to go into. I've been through it before. It's not so much that I don't trust them as much as I know FOR A FACT they're not better at grading than any other of the top graders. I wouldn't pay an extra buck for a PCGS slabbed coin over an ANACS or NGC slab. PCGS's own graders cannot even grade their own coins with the same grade twice in a row with any better frequency than any other grader. I've put them to the test. I'm satisfied they're no better. It's just my opinion, though. I guess some people prefer to collect slabs over coins. To me that's just crazy. Something stinks to high heaven in the grading industry when it comes to PCGS slabs. If I knew what it was, I'd want a professional inquiry!..but I don't. It's just a feeling based on a lot of personal experiences I won't go into. The slab seems to matter now more than the coin! To me that's insanity...but it's also a fact right NOW. A hundred years from now, it won't matter. Only the coin will matter -- which is as it should be!
@@TheAvenstar I just saw this comment "two months late" :) but you are exactly right about "in a hundred years no one will care" LOL The coins will survive thought, in spite of all our trends. Thank goodness...
No they are not cameo in my opinion. I used to work for a grading company and I dont think either the penny or nickel. Despite the cross over attempt I've found that NGC grades slight lower than PCGS> The real issue is the 1950 Benjy half where you received a different grading 3 + times for the same coin. You may think that grading is subjective so please explain to me why grade the coin all to begin with!? Investor phobia anybody. Of course the difference between a grade could prove the difference between a few bucks versus booque dollars!
I don't sell my coins Helldpidgr. So it isn't investor phobia. It wasn't so much the grade I was disappointing with, it was the loss of the Cameo designation. The cameo effect (as you know) is not a yes or no phenomenon. There are a million different degrees of cameo, and that is on one side alone. The problem lies in when to note the effect on the label. Obviously the "when" is subjective, and can even change day to day with the same grader. I made the mistake of not noting on the order form that I did not want PCGS to crack the coins out of the holders if they would not cross. Proof coins are often displayed in a set. My purpose in grading was to be able to display the entire proof year set graded by the same grading company, PCGS, and all graded cameo. Strictly uniformity. That's it. I'm not a coin investor. I'm actually a coin collector. Which BTW seems to be a rare thing nowadays. I seem to be outnumbered at least 10 to 1 at any coin show I've been to. Thanks for the comment. :)
Do you recommend cleaning before grading. I was going to use non-abrasive methods, such as soaking in salt and vinegar, or a buffing cloth with ketchup.
Sharon Taylor never clean!!! Cuts the value in half
Never clean you lose the value.
Nice 66 on the walker. I'm looking for a nice graded coin. What does that retail for?
Silver Bean Counter Around $700. Great design. Thanks buddy
Dr. G nice score getting that grade. It's a beauty but I won't go that nice.
Yeah some of these are a bit pricey. There are so many different designs. It might be better to just look for a design you really like, then find a grade that suits your budget and wait for a good deal. I've seen some killer deals on coins in auctions that people are not paying attention to. I wouldn't worry about the grade per se, just get the best one in that grade. It varies a lot. Most ebay auctions allow you to return the coin if you are not perfectly happy. Just pay the $2.50 return postage. I've returned many. I don't want to upset anyone but I would recommend a PCGS graded coin. I've seen they get a little more money if you have to resell at a later date. Toning is another thing you have to decide on. It's a lot of fun once you get into it, especially if you like history. Good luck my friend. Let me know if I can help with anything.
Send me a PM if I can help with anything else.
Dr. G ok. I'll take you up on the advice offer for sure. Thanks 👍
Sure would make a nice addition to my proof sets starting with the 1950.
Lets see those coins Jack. :)
Hi,
I just found your channel and subscribed...!
I collect coins when I can afford to.
Also, I belong to the GPAA and would love to
go prospecting in Alaska sometime...!
I live in Northern Indiana so all we have around
here and Michigan is fly poop Glacier Gold.
Happy New Year and Be Blessed...!
Troy Stutsman
Troy. I've never panned fly poop before lol. Thanks a lot for the comment.
Dr. G
Lol...
That’s what everyone around here and in Michigan calls it...
That’s Unfortunate ... I learned the lessons of the grading companies decades ago
That said when I was big into Barber halves and quarters assembling as close to an all AU58 set 2009-2012, I bought a raw 1896-0 half at the Manchester NH coin show that looked like a shot 58 to me
Keep in mind the PCGS pop for 1896-0 halves in AU58 at the time was zero. Yes 0.
With the help of a very good dealer friend who’s very knowledgeable, and very polished well in all coinage, but particularly in the Barber seated and bust coinage, David Kahn. I believe he knows every single Overton variety that exists when it comes to Bust halves
Anyway, with Dave’s assistance, we sent the 96-0 to PCGS where it came back AU details cleaned. Dave agreed with my opinion that the coin was nice and original
He also cautioned my enthusiasm as he has a LOT of experience with PCGS. He knows their tendencies and what they like and what they don’t like
Dave said let me “mess around with it and put it in the aging bin for a couple months”.... fast forward 3 months it came back AU Details cleaned again
The coin was not wiped and had a very nice original look. I really didn’t think it was cleaned and by now I considered myself a pretty knowledgeable and very particular collector of these coins by now. I didn’t own a single “white” or dipped out Barber and was really liking the way this coin looked
He asked if I wanted to try again so we sent it in one more time 6-7 weeks later and we managed to get the coveted 58 grade
Needless to say over the next 6 months several other collectors who were also collecting AU Barbers all but begged me to sell that coin to them
One guy (the guy with the #1 pcgs Everyman registry set pestered me non- Stop offering me as much as $8000 at one point (I paid $1500 for it raw). I honestly thought it was worth over $10k based on the way that market was then
Every heritage auctions saw semi key and key date barbers going for triple or 4-6x PCGS price guide and smashing recent auction sales
As the market was at my perceived top, I did consign it to the ANA heritage auction (or maybe FUN I honestly forget... ) but it was 2014 or 15. Dave’s deal with heritage was he gets 108% of hammer so he gave me the full 100% and kept the 8% for his commission which I was thrilled with and it hammered for $14,500. Some $17k with BP.. it’s in the heritage archives ...
Soon after that I liquidated my Barber sets . Foolishly (or not), I deleted all my reg sets except the Barber quarter date set, which I think is still there, maybe retired I forget
But if you search beantown barbers you’ll find just the quarter date set (one coin 1892-1916). I only started the date set as I had a handful of MS quarters including a stupendous 1898-S in 64 (a key date) which didn’t qualify for the Everyman sets
All my AU55/58 were in the complete set with all mint marks
I even had the 97-S quarter with centered mint mark (rare. The mm to the far right comprises over 95% of the 1897-S quarters)
Anyway beautiful coins there sir
And I talk way too much so I’m out
Wow, fantastic story. Too bad we couldn't have seen it in a video. Thanks for the great comment my friend.
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
I just bought a half dollar and i got it and its rainbow toned and i want to get it graded. Do you mind telling me how much it might cost?
Hey buddy, sorry for the late reply I totally skipped over this and didn't see it. Yeah, grading is quite expensive, around $30 per coin. Some are less, some are more. It depends on the value. And then you have to pay for shipping and insurance both ways. Also you have to be a "member" of the grading service you choose. That cost's a yearly fee. They have different levels (costs) as well. So if you only have the one coin it would be way too much to grade by yourself. I would recommend maybe asking someone at a coin club or your local coin shop if they are making a submission in the near future and if they would consider adding your one coin to their submission. Then your cost would be much less, just the $30 bucks. Still expensive though. :( BTW, Love your vids and subbed. Thanks for the comment.
why didn't you specify "current" grade on the crossover and they wouldn't have lower the grade and left them in the original holder ???? I think you made the mistake !
You’re right Moon Doggy, I did make a mistake by not checking those boxes on the submission form, I realized later that I may have forgotten to do that. But that mistake really exposed some interesting facts about coin grading. It really opened my eyes to the subjectivity and randomness of the major grading companies. As a new collector, I was initially under the impression that the grades on coin slabs were arrived upon by some sort of science or formula. (And by the way, the companies don’t do too much to dissuade that opinion). But after some education and experience, “this video displaying some of it” I have realized that the grades are enormously subjective. The grade on a slab could move a full point in one direction or another with relative ease depending on the graders, and how they feel that particular day. Attributes, such as cameo could be there one day and gone the next...and then reappear. For example, the 1952 half that was previously graded 66cam CAC from NGC that was knocked down to just 66 from PCGS was, (after resubmitting), graded back up to 66cam by PCGS (the same company). The Cameo 1951 cent graded PF66+CAM by NGC and knocked down to 66 “no cam”, by PCGS was resubmitted to NGC and received an upgrade from even the previous NGC grade to PF67CAM. A massive difference from PCGS PR66 to NGC PF67CAM. So, consequently, I have learned that the number on the slab is just a “starting point”, and definitely not the “last word” on the condition of a particular coin. Thanks for the comment.
I'm a little new to all this and not so hip to the idea of shipping them out to be graded. I'd much rather take them somewhere to get this done without them leaving my sight!
Is there such places in Mo?
In the central U.S.??
Sorry Perrywinkle, You can get coins graded at any local coin shop, but they won't stake their reputation on it. No one will respect the grade unless it's done by a major company. That is part of the benefit of independent third party grading, since you're not there, they don't know who owns the coins they're grading and therefore can be completely objective. (at least reasonably objective). If you're looking for a general grade and don't plan on selling, you can use PCGS' photograde. It's on their webpage and will help you grade your own coins. Thanks for the comment.
Dr. G Ok, I appreciate the reply!
That doesn't quell my lack of trust in the strange cold unfamiliar hands my future coins, quite possibly coins of great value. Who knows?
Some jackass could pull the ol switcheroo and send me back a graded, not as valuable, different coin.
Thus profiting off of my collection!!😡😡
I found this very interesting, I don't have any coins that I would send in to them anyway.
Thanks for watching.
Didn't get a return call back also from PCGS supervisor. Had to call them again. Waste of time and money unless you have the new 2019 west point quarters with scratches. They grade higher than perfect Coins. Most older coins get PVC or Cleaned or whatever they can do to send it back. Very lucky you got OK grades on your Morgan Silver Dollars. Same coin would come back cleaned now.
Pretty crazy Jimmy. Most older coins actually have been cleaned, it was very popular in the past. It's tough to find a vintage coin with original surfaces now a days. People don't seem to mine though and the grading companies change their policies/employees all the time so you never know what a coin will grade. The bottom line is learn to grade your own coins and don't take a grade on a slabbed label too seriously. It's just a starting point. Thanks for the comment.
they have gotten stricter with cameos and prooflike surfances.. same with morgans.
I'm new at this ...what is CAC & what's the significance of (their) (the) certification? Good video & yes, they look like cameo to me & I'm a novice😀
Awesome, we're both novices :) Learning is half the fun. CAC is just a grader of the grader, so to speak. CAC, Certified Acceptance Corporation, only grades slabbed coins. They don't use a numbering system, only these oval stickers. If they consider the given grade "justified," they will attach a green sticker. Not all coins get past that "justified" level. Coins that CAC consider "just barely getting the grade" will not receive a sticker. The coin has to grade "strong" to pass their standard. CAC is just another grading company telling you that the stated grade on the slab is most likely correct.
Have fun. This is a great hobby.
How did i miss this vid! I'm watching now 🕵️♀️
Why didn't you get the full step designation on your 1939 first nickel? You can see it better than me, just curious?
On proof coins they don't give those kinds of designations. Proof coins are almost always struck more than once with dies that have been looked after very carefully, so they are usually extremely sharp and detailed. Thanks for the comment.
Dr. G ok awsome, that makes alot off sense now that you said it. Thanks
That 1950 Franklin is definitely a cam. I can maybe go with the 1952 being proof, but you'd think with a CAC sticker on the original, PCGS would have retained the cam on it. Unfortunately, this hobby is all about subjectivity.
Yeah, I agree with you Stephen. All of these coins definitely display a cameo contrast, the issue is at what point do you designate the effect on the label. Everyone's experience with Cameo is different. Some people have seen extremely deep cameo coins and in comparison these might not be impressive enough to label them "cameo". But in the end the graders are told by the company managers what level of cameo a coin must display before the label is noted. PCGS historically has been a little stricter but the variation here is ridiculous in my opinion. I don't sell my coins, so the grade is just a curiosity for me and it helps me when I'm showing my coins to newbies. The whole third party grading concept has become just a starting point for me, especially regarding MS/PF coins. I now consider the grades as just a general note of the condition of a coin. I've learned a lot since I made this video and seeing the "experts" opinion vary so much, I don't feel so bad when I happen to 'like' a coin and they don't. LOL And my experience has shown, that they might like it a little more tomorrow anyway. Hahaha Thanks for the comment my friend.
Dr. G. ... Thank you for your reply. No ...when I say novice I'm talking about not one slab😕 Just coins in envelopes if they are old and very heavily circulated are in small containers. I'm looking to sell them; I need the funds, but financially short for $$$ per coin to grade. Not really feeling "the love" when it comes to mailing coins to be graded. Have they ever messed up & sent you someone elses coins? When you have time...thanks again😀
No, I have never had, or heard of any mistaken coins sent back, although I assume that's possible. I have heard of a gal who claims to have had her modern bullion coin scratched by the grading company, but that is just what she says. It is expensive and the more I grade, the more I come to realize that a lot of the grading of mint state coins is subjective and weighs heavily on the particular graders opinion of what "looks nice". The coins you do decide to grade need to be pretty valuable to make it financially worth wile. Don't grade the junk, LOL
Dr g I'm manny I was thinking I'm a rookie collector and I'm just wondering if u have any silver coins around I'm a penny collector and have always want to start collecting silver coins but cant afford it right now but if i can get 1 from u would give me the boost i need.....Just asking....Thx
Love that 51 cameo Jefferson nickel