After watching a 10 minute video of some dude mostly talking about himself and not giving any actual advice this video was really refreshing. To the point and actual good tips.
Very straight forward and well explained, nearly 5 years later and this video is still more helpful than anything presented now. Thank You for the satisfying watch and tips
For house bands and bands playing small venues with the monitors nearby, you absolutely want a cardioid mic. Cardioid mics are BEST for cutting down on feedback and crowd noise bleeding into the mic. Super-cardioid mics cause more feedback.
Excellent video. Often overlooked is the placement of monitors. Bands love to place them in a nice straight row across the stage in front of each singer, just for looks. Problem is when the singer goes off mic, the monitor sound bounces off the ceiling or back wall, directly into the mic. The answer is to angle the monitors slightly so the bounce can't occur under any conditions. Monitors are probably the biggest cause of feedback.
Splendid video, so useful. In my case, I have a Fender Hotrod Deluxe amp, plus a Shure SM58 mic. I recently bought a Hohner Crossover C harmonica, so I bought a Shure A85F transformer. but the problem now is that I'm getting so high feedback noise even with minimum volume; the solution at this moment is to play the harmonica, like twenty feet away from the amp, which is not practical for rehearsing.
Can you provide more details about the 6 step? Basically how do you know what frequencies are causing the feedback (what apps do you use) and how to turn them down from the digital mixer (whatever digital mixer you’re using). Thanks a lot!
my audio cable is causing the feedback when I press any direction the feedback is annoying as hell yet if I want to hold my finger on the jack I can do pretty much nothing with my computer...would it be better to jut go out and buy a another cable to see if it is the cable causing the feedback?
What happens if you allow audio feedback to persist? (How violently might one of the components rupture?) I'm surprised to find no answer on Google or RUclips.
It depends on the rating for your speakers and amps. It’s most likely that the clipping amps would damage a speaker component, and if it’s only one frequency, probably only the single driver that’s reproducing it. Or the amp. But it’s probably like asking “how long can I redline my car’s engine before it blows up?” 🤣
We practice in a small rooms you can book. We are constantly having issues with the feedback to the point that we have to have the mic too low to really gear the vocals. I do believe we've tried to do most of these tips but the size of the room etc doesn't really cater to it
ive been in the same situation. The solution ive found is to move over to headphone monitoring. I send my mix into a headphone amp/splitter and everybody can plug in. Its not the perfect situation, but being a loud band in a small room has lots of issues that the headphones help fix.
if you have a feedback problem and are using an sm58 mike it is likely if you get rid of the sm58 you will also get rid of the feedback (give it as a present to someone you dont like ) and get a decent mike
While looking for feedback, protect your ears and speakers by dropping the threshold of a downstream limiter as low as it'l go with NO auto gain adjust. This will of course limit any sound coming through to a very low level, including feedback. Great thing to see and hear your pa feedback at a controlled -40. Wanna reduce the chance of feedback? Throw every other front line vocal mic out of phase. Rather than multiple mics loading up, they now cancel that loading, stablizing both mains and monitors. -Your welcome.
Make the mic feedback, then watch for which frequencies pop on your RTA, and cut them out in your graphic EQ. For example, if you have a monitor wedge on aux 1, send a microphone to it and turn on the EQ for that aux. preferably a very precise graphic EQ. Gain the mic up, and try to make it feed in the wedge. When you see the feedback spike up on your RTA, cut that frequency on the graphic EQ. Go through this process, cutting frequencies until you eliminate most of the ringing while being careful not to muffle the tone of the wedge. If you can get the wedge up to show volume without ringing, and it still sounds clear, congratulations you’ve done it. This is much easier when you have one person standing at the console and one person on stage talking into the mic. It’s also best to use the mics you actually use during a show, as all mics will behave differently. You may have to make some adjustments if you end up using a different mic, but you’ll already be in the ballpark.
@@AttawayAudio I guess just a general guide as to ideal fader placement and how much gain should be added. One problem I encounter is the worship leader has a really strong singing voice but talks really quiet when praying or doing announcements. So if I turn up the gain to be able to hear him while talking then it's very distorted when he sings. I use a Soundcraft SI Expression mixer.
Definitely set the gain for the singing - the distortion of clipping a digital input is bad news. You'll just have to crank the fader when he's speaking. Compression can help too - use the makeup gain to turn it back up after reducing the level with the compressor, giving his quieter sections a little more juice before the fader.
@@AttawayAudio It's alright, thank you for the helpful video and putting it out there- I think I just got irritated because that actually did hurt my ears lol and also I had my mic on and it destroyed their ears as well so I was a little grouchy. Sorry for taking it out on you
Turn the input gain down all the way, then push up the fader and SLOWLY bring up the gain. If it feeds back before it's at a usable level, then go through the steps in this video.
Do you recommend the sq7 from Allen and Heath? I’m thinking about getting it after a whole lot of research. But I see posts of people talking about problems. I would really appreciate your comment. Blessings brother
Yeah, that's great and I understand it, but will all analogue gear, it is a bit more tricky than just pushing some buttons and lookin g at the screens. Also, I get Comb feedback patterns where there are hot-spots in various places between speakers that just ring no matter how much I try to correct the EQ and gains... Any ideas? I'm not a ninja... maybe ninja-ish, sorta.
New sub here, been watching your vids on vocal/drum comp , very interesting! If limited on drum mic channels (we only have a simple analog desk in our band) would it be possible to use the likes of a beta 57 on the snare but with its rear facing the hi hats therefore picking up hats due to being super cardioid ……..? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
As well as microphone feedback occurring when a microphone is pointed at a full range pa speaker Does microphone feedback occur if you were to point the microphone at a low frequency pa subwoofer
Nice! Question can a feedback quickly damage a speaker? I was connected to a laptop accidentally produced a strong loud feedback from mic, I wasn’t able to stop quickly maybe prolonged for about 3 seconds before the app limiter anti feedback got activated. I thought the speaker will explode 😂 It’s a new Bose S1 Pro lol I thought my money will just blow away.
Love your videos! I am just getting into sound mixing at a new church plant and we are all a bit lost to how to do it right. What do you do when you are getting feedback on the pastor's headset mic? Having a hard time capturing good clarity and power without getting feedback issues.
Thanks man! Headset mics and lapel mics are extremely challenging. If you can, try using a graphic EQ on it to notch out the frequencies that feedback first. Do this by having your pastor (or someone with a similarly shaped face) speak in their "spot" on stage and slowly turn it up until the first frequency starts to feed back. Pull that same frequency down on the graphic EQ, and then start pushing it up a little bit more. There may be a point where it's just "loud enough" to be intelligible, and then you can EQ the mic with the channel's parametric EQ to sound natural (this part is a challenge in itself). Other considerations are the mic itself - a cheap one is going to be harder to get to sound good and not feed back. Plus all the other stuff I said in the video 😃
I’m wondering how to do it with headphones. I just got a new headphone with built-in microphone and I’m getting a ”flat-line” feedback sound which I don't know where is coming from. 😩
Maybe this is beyond the scope of this video but....there's such things as rack mountable "feed back destroyers", that automatically target and squelch any and all feed back automatically just by inserting it into the chain.
@@AttawayAudio True. But ringing out mics and visually inspecting graphic/parametric EQ's and manually inserting notch/key filters scan get tedious ad nauseum. The Behringer Feedback Destroyer pro comes highly recommended. All in all a good video though if you're looking into the "not getting more gear" method.
Rarely, because 1) I'm typically able to fix that with the methods mentioned in the videos so that I don't have to, and 2) gates take a lot of attention to get set just right. But there are some situations where there are too many variables out of my control, and then a gate can be helpful.
Attaway Audio thanks for the quick response! I mix on a dLive with stock plugins and I’m finding that I get a pretty good amount of room noise through the mics. To the point that it makes the music sound a little cluttered. I’ve seen some waves plugins that look like they help a good bit with that but I’m VERY nervous to use gates P.S. I love these videos. I’m getting a lot of good feedback from my pastor. Pun intended lol
@@TuDoorCinema Haha! If there's a pun in the same zipcode as me, I'll find it. The Waves Primary Source Expander can be helpful, since it's got a little more DSP than a straight up gate. But that's just fixing the symptom - the problem is mostly about your acoustic field, distance from speakers, etc.
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How to EQ with an electric drum set that won't let you eq the parts of the drum set separately.
Does it have individual channel outputs or is it all mixed internally?
After watching a 10 minute video of some dude mostly talking about himself and not giving any actual advice this video was really refreshing. To the point and actual good tips.
Haha! Thanks Crouton!
Expose them 😂
Literally every body care RUclipsr is like that😭
Agreed
you watched churchfront?
Very straight forward and well explained, nearly 5 years later and this video is still more helpful than anything presented now. Thank You for the satisfying watch and tips
For house bands and bands playing small venues with the monitors nearby, you absolutely want a cardioid mic. Cardioid mics are BEST for cutting down on feedback and crowd noise bleeding into the mic. Super-cardioid mics cause more feedback.
I'm doing the technician course in music and this was my homework. I'm enjoying this.
fun homework assignment!
You kept to your promise of giving value as fast as possible 🎉
A very fast and informative newbie guide, so I'll give it a thumbs up despite not learning anything new myself.
Amazing content, and very fast. Thank you so much! Also great practical examples and diagrams. Thank you!
Here right after church service where I got my first tase of feedback! A dynamic speaker with lots of level changes and boy this was helpful! Thanks!
Oh everyone has one at some point! You got this!
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Sound Ninja! Im about to binge all of your videos!!
Yoooo you are going to blow up lol this is exactly what I prayed for thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you sound Ninja. Quick and fast. I am making a presentation before church group on zoom. I bought a Maono. Thanks for advice.
Glad I could help! Looks like a nice little mic
Excellent video. Often overlooked is the placement of monitors. Bands love to place them in a nice straight row across the stage in front of each singer, just for looks. Problem is when the singer goes off mic, the monitor sound bounces off the ceiling or back wall, directly into the mic. The answer is to angle the monitors slightly so the bounce can't occur under any conditions. Monitors are probably the biggest cause of feedback.
Thank you! Straight the point, and very informative. This helped me a lot.
Sound ninja 🔊🎙🤙🏽
Splendid video, so useful. In my case, I have a Fender Hotrod Deluxe amp, plus a Shure SM58 mic. I recently bought a Hohner Crossover C harmonica, so I bought a Shure A85F transformer. but the problem now is that I'm getting so high feedback noise even with minimum volume; the solution at this moment is to play the harmonica, like twenty feet away from the amp, which is not practical for rehearsing.
This is good to hear. Interesting and speedy delivery for us fast thinkers. Subscribed!
Can you provide more details about the 6 step? Basically how do you know what frequencies are causing the feedback (what apps do you use) and how to turn them down from the digital mixer (whatever digital mixer you’re using). Thanks a lot!
Try this video! ruclips.net/user/liveFoZoZv9IY1Q
The polar pattern or the SM58 and Beta58A👍 now i know why my wedge monitor feedback differently on these 2 mics🤦🏻♂️
my audio cable is causing the feedback when I press any direction the feedback is annoying as hell yet if I want to hold my finger on the jack I can do pretty much nothing with my computer...would it be better to jut go out and buy a another cable to see if it is the cable causing the feedback?
Brilliant and informative
Sound Ninja! 🔊🎧🎙️
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Thank you sir for your packaged information
What happens if you allow audio feedback to persist? (How violently might one of the components rupture?)
I'm surprised to find no answer on Google or RUclips.
It depends on the rating for your speakers and amps. It’s most likely that the clipping amps would damage a speaker component, and if it’s only one frequency, probably only the single driver that’s reproducing it. Or the amp. But it’s probably like asking “how long can I redline my car’s engine before it blows up?” 🤣
Thank you Sir❤❤❤
I like his explanation with a smile 😀😬
😃
What about the gratful dead and the wall of sound thing? I mean, when the speaker are behind the microphones ??
Pls can u make a tutorial on how to use feedback destroyer FBQ1000
Sound njinja! Great tips! 🎤🔥🔥🔥
Thanks Vu Le!
We practice in a small rooms you can book. We are constantly having issues with the feedback to the point that we have to have the mic too low to really gear the vocals. I do believe we've tried to do most of these tips but the size of the room etc doesn't really cater to it
ive been in the same situation. The solution ive found is to move over to headphone monitoring. I send my mix into a headphone amp/splitter and everybody can plug in. Its not the perfect situation, but being a loud band in a small room has lots of issues that the headphones help fix.
Only way to deal with it is using in ear monitors or have everyone play quieter.
Can you also remedy the feedback problem by clicking Phase switch?
How to use phase shifting in the congegration to avoid feedback on monitors.
What was that frequency analysis tool that was shown at 1:43?
Sound Ninja mate!
How far from a wireless lavalier mic would you recommend for placing 2 12" speakers on stands? Thanks!
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is 1 K always a problem frequency?
Sound ninja. Yeah, but how do they deal with feedback when AC/DC plays. The sound is everywhere and loud too.
if you have a feedback problem and are using an sm58 mike it is likely if you get rid of the sm58 you will also get rid of the feedback (give it as a present to someone you dont like ) and get a decent mike
Well it’s the industry standard vocal mic so we better know how to use it
Sound Ninja!!! Thank you!
You’re welcome! Thanks for serving on the sound team! 👊🏼
Most difficult and most technical is no.6 and it is also the most useful if positionings are not an option and in small closed rooms..
my cat chewed the antenna can that cause feedback?
Sound ninja
Really handy content
Love your video's brother. Would be awesome if you did a video on properly setting up floor monitors on a stage.
Sounds like fun! Except everyone i know has ditched wedges as much as possible
While looking for feedback, protect your ears and speakers by dropping the threshold of a downstream limiter as low as it'l go with NO auto gain adjust. This will of course limit any sound coming through to a very low level, including feedback. Great thing to see and hear your pa feedback at a controlled -40. Wanna reduce the chance of feedback? Throw every other front line vocal mic out of phase. Rather than multiple mics loading up, they now cancel that loading, stablizing both mains and monitors. -Your welcome.
great tip! thanks
sound ninja
God bless you sir
God bless you Eldad!
What do you mean by "ringing out the mic and speaker combination"???
Help me please, could you give me an example??
Make the mic feedback, then watch for which frequencies pop on your RTA, and cut them out in your graphic EQ. For example, if you have a monitor wedge on aux 1, send a microphone to it and turn on the EQ for that aux. preferably a very precise graphic EQ. Gain the mic up, and try to make it feed in the wedge. When you see the feedback spike up on your RTA, cut that frequency on the graphic EQ. Go through this process, cutting frequencies until you eliminate most of the ringing while being careful not to muffle the tone of the wedge. If you can get the wedge up to show volume without ringing, and it still sounds clear, congratulations you’ve done it. This is much easier when you have one person standing at the console and one person on stage talking into the mic. It’s also best to use the mics you actually use during a show, as all mics will behave differently. You may have to make some adjustments if you end up using a different mic, but you’ll already be in the ballpark.
Could you please do a video on properly setting gain. Thanks!
Sure thing! Is there anything specific you’d like me to address in it? I’ve got a script written but haven’t shot it yet
@@AttawayAudio I guess just a general guide as to ideal fader placement and how much gain should be added. One problem I encounter is the worship leader has a really strong singing voice but talks really quiet when praying or doing announcements. So if I turn up the gain to be able to hear him while talking then it's very distorted when he sings. I use a Soundcraft SI Expression mixer.
Definitely set the gain for the singing - the distortion of clipping a digital input is bad news. You'll just have to crank the fader when he's speaking. Compression can help too - use the makeup gain to turn it back up after reducing the level with the compressor, giving his quieter sections a little more juice before the fader.
I never thought about puting wedges between the polar patern gaps, sound ninja
Yeah it's a big help! Thanks for the comment Jonathan!
I have heard that adding a bit of delay can also help with feedback. I haven't had a chance to test this yet. Your thoughts?
FREAKING OW. The feedback at the start DESTROYED my ears- NOT OKAY
Sorry 🤷♂️
@@AttawayAudio It's alright, thank you for the helpful video and putting it out there- I think I just got irritated because that actually did hurt my ears lol and also I had my mic on and it destroyed their ears as well so I was a little grouchy. Sorry for taking it out on you
no sweat! sorry again!
Sound Ninja!!! Also love the comment to mute all unused channels!
Thanks Island Dave! 🙌🏼
Our mics are squealing everytime we turn them on...can't figure out the source
Turn the input gain down all the way, then push up the fader and SLOWLY bring up the gain. If it feeds back before it's at a usable level, then go through the steps in this video.
Thanks for making it CONCISE!
Do you recommend the sq7 from Allen and Heath? I’m thinking about getting it after a whole lot of research. But I see posts of people talking about problems. I would really appreciate your comment. Blessings brother
I love the SQ series from A&H. The quirks are slight enough that it doesn't really bother me too much.
@@AttawayAudiothanks for the answer my brother. I greatly appreciate it. God bless
Yeah, that's great and I understand it, but will all analogue gear, it is a bit more tricky than just pushing some buttons and lookin g at the screens. Also, I get Comb feedback patterns where there are hot-spots in various places between speakers that just ring no matter how much I try to correct the EQ and gains... Any ideas? I'm not a ninja... maybe ninja-ish, sorta.
how to reduce echo ??
Ninja sound.😀🙋♂️🙏
New sub here, been watching your vids on vocal/drum comp , very interesting! If limited on drum mic channels (we only have a simple analog desk in our band) would it be possible to use the likes of a beta 57 on the snare but with its rear facing the hi hats therefore picking up hats due to being super cardioid ……..? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
sound ninja
I like what you did there
Sneaky sneaky
Fantastic video
As well as microphone feedback occurring when a microphone is pointed at a full range pa speaker Does microphone feedback occur if you were to point the microphone at a low frequency pa subwoofer
Definitely. But it's likely you'll have the HPF up on the mic so it's typically less of an issue.
Do you always cut frequencies from the mics instead of monitors ? Or only for choir mics ?
That's my first step, but if the EQ is going to FOH too, that might not be the best option. Lots of variables to play with.
What about using a noise gate?
definitely possible, but a bandaid instead of fixing the root of the problem
Thank you for the video
Really enjoy the content.
Thanks Keith!
Sound ninja! Thanks
Thank you
Sound ninja. Thanks for the video
You’re very welcome Nick! Thanks for watching!
Nice! Question can a feedback quickly damage a speaker? I was connected to a laptop accidentally produced a strong loud feedback from mic, I wasn’t able to stop quickly maybe prolonged for about 3 seconds before the app limiter anti feedback got activated. I thought the speaker will explode 😂 It’s a new Bose S1 Pro lol I thought my money will just blow away.
Yeah you can damage components with enough overload from feedback
Love your videos! I am just getting into sound mixing at a new church plant and we are all a bit lost to how to do it right.
What do you do when you are getting feedback on the pastor's headset mic? Having a hard time capturing good clarity and power without getting feedback issues.
Thanks man! Headset mics and lapel mics are extremely challenging. If you can, try using a graphic EQ on it to notch out the frequencies that feedback first. Do this by having your pastor (or someone with a similarly shaped face) speak in their "spot" on stage and slowly turn it up until the first frequency starts to feed back. Pull that same frequency down on the graphic EQ, and then start pushing it up a little bit more. There may be a point where it's just "loud enough" to be intelligible, and then you can EQ the mic with the channel's parametric EQ to sound natural (this part is a challenge in itself). Other considerations are the mic itself - a cheap one is going to be harder to get to sound good and not feed back. Plus all the other stuff I said in the video 😃
Thanks
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best explanation video, thanks mate
Glad it helped!
So helpful
I’m wondering how to do it with headphones. I just got a new headphone with built-in microphone and I’m getting a ”flat-line” feedback sound which I don't know where is coming from. 😩
Sorry, not sure how to help you with that! Sounds like a problem with the headphones themselves
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Thanks Dhanjit!
@@AttawayAudio most welcome sir..
so it happens to me then, I heard the feed back for the first time while putting mic on speaker! It hurts my ear!
Well I did say “don’t do this” 😂hope you feel better soon!
@@AttawayAudio Well can you feed back guitars as well?
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Super bro 👊
Very nice thanks...
You're welcome!
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Genkai wo koeru (no don't push past the limits of your sound system lol!)
Sound Ninja! Lol. Thx 😁
Is there a wireless dynamic mic by any chance that you recommend? Thank you : )
You can practicly take any dynamic mic and put a wireless XLR adapter on it. It should work just as fine as the normal one´s ;)
zHolmKing is there a lavalier sized dynamic mic ? All of them appear to be condensers . Thanks!
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I like how you said that 😂
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Maybe this is beyond the scope of this video but....there's such things as rack mountable "feed back destroyers", that automatically target and squelch any and all feed back automatically just by inserting it into the chain.
more than one way to skin a cat... but some don't involve more gear 😁
@@AttawayAudio True. But ringing out mics and visually inspecting graphic/parametric EQ's and manually inserting notch/key filters scan get tedious ad nauseum. The Behringer Feedback Destroyer pro comes highly recommended. All in all a good video though if you're looking into the "not getting more gear" method.
Sound ninja hehe
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Sound ninja thanks man!
It's truly my pleasure Ezekiel! Thanks for being a sound ninja 🙌
Do you put gates on your vocals?
Rarely, because 1) I'm typically able to fix that with the methods mentioned in the videos so that I don't have to, and 2) gates take a lot of attention to get set just right. But there are some situations where there are too many variables out of my control, and then a gate can be helpful.
Attaway Audio thanks for the quick response! I mix on a dLive with stock plugins and I’m finding that I get a pretty good amount of room noise through the mics. To the point that it makes the music sound a little cluttered. I’ve seen some waves plugins that look like they help a good bit with that but I’m VERY nervous to use gates
P.S. I love these videos. I’m getting a lot of good feedback from my pastor. Pun intended lol
@@TuDoorCinema Haha! If there's a pun in the same zipcode as me, I'll find it. The Waves Primary Source Expander can be helpful, since it's got a little more DSP than a straight up gate. But that's just fixing the symptom - the problem is mostly about your acoustic field, distance from speakers, etc.
Sound Ninja
Sneaky sneaky
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Very simple people. Little gain , put faders and master at zero and use ur amplifiers for volume. That is all