Elective Monarchy is actually the best government form by far (choose heir, no splitting of titles, positive vassal effect versus negative from primogeniture). But it's definitely for advanced players.
I agree, also it becomes much easier to unite the lands of your dinasty in the mid-late game, plus if one of your heirs have bad traits you can just dodge thay by voting for someone else. The only downside would be in a case where a lot of your landed vassals are not of your dinasty, so they might elect someone from a different dinasty and it would be gg, but you only need to make sure that you give land to people of your dinasty/religion/culture and you're good.
I still prefer primogeniture. Dynasty score is the name of the game, and primogeniture succession lets you keeps the demesne together, generation after generation, building improvements in the same 7 or 8 holdings until you are basically invulnerable. If you have more than one son, you can offset the opinion with younger sons by giving them land - which also increases the dynasty's prestige by keeping the maximum number of titles in the family. The downside is that your vassals are free to do the same thing: Their demesne doesn't get divided when they die, so they will all try to marry each other and combine their titles through inheritance. This can lead to really dangerous vassals with a lot of land if you aren't keeping an eye on the realm tree. It also means that if you mainly give land to dynasty members, your royal line will be the only branch of the family that isn't inbred.
@@LordForwind I agree, but I think it's best to activate it after your Empire is created. If you have 3-4 kingdoms you usually lose one of them with Elective Monarchy when your King dies and you spend a lot of time to take them back. After you change to elective monarchy you can spend time to breed geniuses. The easiest way is to bethroal male boys of your Dynasty to genius girls. This way you usually have a genius Emperor ruler all the time in the late game. I train all male Dynasty males as Diplomats and Girls with Stewardships. Midas and Grey give extra fertility rates and improve the production of geniuses.
Primogeniture is the safest. The best one is elective. 1- Elective give you the option of farming bloodlines and putting it into 1 dude via "tiny little bit inbreeding". On the long run, having like 8 bloodlines is just plain OP. 2-Elective will pick the best ruller. The big problem with democracy is that sometimes, people don't vote the way you want it.
That's why I bring you the solution, Authoritarian Electorship, you select the guy you want people to vote, and they are forced to vote him You choose your heir, keep your title, and assure a safe succesion
Elective is also the easiest succession type to get besides gavelkind, meaning that it is very consistent. Sure, primogeniture brings stability to a realm, but if you rely on it, you will not have very much fun when you take some tiny count and attempt to make a kingdom from scratch, or if you want to play as a pagan without reforming religion and become feudal (it is possible)
keeping your vassals weak has it's ups and downs, sometimes it is better to have strong vassals. They can circumvent truces and expand on their own, and they can contribute vast amounts of levy and develop land quickly.
Elective Monarchy is the best. Just have no more than one duke in your de jure empire and keep everybody else a count and you almost won't have problems with inheritance.
@@LordForwind True, but not if you set your empire laws not to allow vassals to fight each other. Only way would be through inheritance and then you just revoke their title and throw them in jail, if they have not rebelled by then or spread rumours about you or won't end a plot. The last three things would allow you to send them to jail without affecting other vassals' opinions of you. It can still be tricky though, as you said 😄
@@teodorstoyanov1826 I usually make 3 duchies to divide every other duchies land into as well as make them controlled by my dynasty member of the right culture and content
Elective gravel kind is a good one for me, from what i saw ingame it lets you choose who to nominate a king, instead of just automatically doing it putting sometimes the worst ones, its an interesting law to pick
@@LordForwind Btw a question, how can i deal with those ppl that keep demanding stuff over and over again, they literally ruined my game 2 times in a row
@@LordForwind There's some annoying vassals that keeps doing the "election success" factions that keeps harassing the person till they do some mistake that makes her give up the game
Hey mate, that's an awesome intermediate-to-advanced guide, but I feel it could include one more topic: how to get more money. I struggle at the beginnings, with my kingdoms earning 5 gold pieces a month (or losing 20, when waging a war), and it only gets a bit better after half of the game, and even in the endgame, with a couple of kingdoms under me, high technologies, developed provinces and vassals approval in green, I can hardly afford to build a castle. There must be some hidden ways to accumulate gold, other than building the buildings and keeping vassals happy, aren't there?
Not really, um events from trading focus can help, and if you are ambitious creating a mercenary company can do it, but that requires lots of skill and luck, so I dont use it, look up a guide for it. Other things, always build money generating buildings first, build trade posts where you can, set steward to collecting taxes, ransom people after imprisoning them for plotting, win defensive wars, raid if norse or nomad. But most of the income comes from building and vassal taxes, you should not be able to raise an army without losing money for most of the game, meaning you need a reserve of gold to fight wars.
Thanks for answering mate, I also came across some hints about flattening the funnel by which the taxes come from the lower ranks to my chest by getting rid of duchies, not sure how this will work out though, gotta give it a try. There's a word about creating vassal merchant republics, but I never found them really impactful - probably it depends on the region, I guess they may be more productive in the Mediterrenean than in the Baltics. There are also hints about building towns instead of castles in the core regions, but it seems counterintuitive too; will give it a try some time. Anyway, thanks for the effort put into your guides, I subbed your channel and will watch more if you post them, I find them quality content for someone like me who played CC for about 500 hours but still feels there's much more to find out. Cheers!
Ty for the sub. Not sure how the getting rid of duchy works in your favor but it might, I find creating merchant republics to be a long term payoff, since they need to get tech and build up before they give money, changing laws can help and duchy level theocratic government are usually good. The cities pay more in taxes than your castles, however you capital duchy should be as many castle as you can get, non- capital duchies should have cities
Without conclave, you don't get any tax from feudal vassals with the default obligations. So, unless you have vassal prince-bishops or grand-mayors, adding to your domain won't increase your income. You may want increase feudal taxes to at least small, and you can probably increase city taxes too.
Could someone explain to me why the council members have 4 options available to put them to work? In my game I only have 3 options. Is it a specific piece of DLC or just the realm being played?
do a merchant republic video. do a nomad video. do a tribal video. do a video explaining all the different societies in game. do a video on the best ways to plot your way to land and money. do more videos man. i hate ck2 videos because the guy always rambles on and switches topics constantly or doesn't know wtf he is talking about. And I don't have that problem with you. I want more videos.
@@LordForwind yeah its definitely done. They are working on ck3. Now would be a great time to mod the game actually. I hate how steam mods are setup cause you have no idea what will work. I hope the next game has a better mod setup. Rimworld and kenshi had awesome mod setups.
if im not mistaken, tanistry is better than primogeniture as you dont get negative buffs for unlanded sons and also if your first born is useless you can just vote for a different son or even an unlanded uncle. honestly. i think seniority is easier managed than primogeniture
Primo is easy to do just disinherit until you get the right heir. Tanitry tend to lead to civil wars or you losing control of the throne and they give away your lands or do something stupid. Seniority is too unstable from deaths
I disagree with primo being the best, since that definitely goes to elective monarchy, specifically if you spend your first characters time making claims to your vassals lands allowing you to replace them with content vassals of the right culture, destroying duchies as well leaving only 3 controlled by your dynasty to divide the other duchies lands to, your realm is basically super stable, not to mention the eugenics program
@@LordForwind the thing is with the second part of my statement I can also destroy the duchies leaving only 3 that are also controlled by my dynasty, so either my preferred heir who has genius and attractive gets chosen, or another member of my dynasty gets chosen, who probably also has genius at least, also did you know that taking every county and barony a character does automatically destroys their duchy without any cost?
a unique inheritance that nations in Ireland and Scotland can get, its like elective but only dynasty members can inherit. It tends to not be parent-child but more like uncle - nephew. Its an amazing strong government easily in the top couple of them!
My favorite playstyle if european catholic : invite Norse / Germanic pagan to court -> make said pagan court tutor -> teach heir Germanic paganism -> convert to paganism when he enherits -> Raid 1'000'000'000'000'000 Gold and win!
@@LordForwind well, the advantage of doing it like this is you start with feudal government rather than the germanic tribal, that allows you to build real castles and you can get primogeniture before pagan reformation.
@@LordForwind York and Kent are my Favorite spots :) I did notice if you play a shattered - count world - there is the Osterfriesland - it is Germanic and Feudal from the start. And in shattered worlds, raiding is just overpowered :)
Elective Monarchy is actually the best government form by far (choose heir, no splitting of titles, positive vassal effect versus negative from primogeniture). But it's definitely for advanced players.
I agree, also it becomes much easier to unite the lands of your dinasty in the mid-late game, plus if one of your heirs have bad traits you can just dodge thay by voting for someone else. The only downside would be in a case where a lot of your landed vassals are not of your dinasty, so they might elect someone from a different dinasty and it would be gg, but you only need to make sure that you give land to people of your dinasty/religion/culture and you're good.
@@acreisbroken The new byzantine government handles that issue now, probably best government form currently
I still prefer primogeniture. Dynasty score is the name of the game, and primogeniture succession lets you keeps the demesne together, generation after generation, building improvements in the same 7 or 8 holdings until you are basically invulnerable. If you have more than one son, you can offset the opinion with younger sons by giving them land - which also increases the dynasty's prestige by keeping the maximum number of titles in the family.
The downside is that your vassals are free to do the same thing: Their demesne doesn't get divided when they die, so they will all try to marry each other and combine their titles through inheritance. This can lead to really dangerous vassals with a lot of land if you aren't keeping an eye on the realm tree. It also means that if you mainly give land to dynasty members, your royal line will be the only branch of the family that isn't inbred.
@@LordForwind I agree, but I think it's best to activate it after your Empire is created. If you have 3-4 kingdoms you usually lose one of them with Elective Monarchy when your King dies and you spend a lot of time to take them back.
After you change to elective monarchy you can spend time to breed geniuses. The easiest way is to bethroal male boys of your Dynasty to genius girls. This way you usually have a genius Emperor ruler all the time in the late game.
I train all male Dynasty males as Diplomats and Girls with Stewardships. Midas and Grey give extra fertility rates and improve the production of geniuses.
Primogeniture with heir designation is the best
Primogeniture is the safest. The best one is elective.
1- Elective give you the option of farming bloodlines and putting it into 1 dude via "tiny little bit inbreeding".
On the long run, having like 8 bloodlines is just plain OP.
2-Elective will pick the best ruller.
The big problem with democracy is that sometimes, people don't vote the way you want it.
That's why I bring you the solution, Authoritarian Electorship, you select the guy you want people to vote, and they are forced to vote him
You choose your heir, keep your title, and assure a safe succesion
tanistry solves lots of those problems
eldership is best because elders that like you always vote for who you want
Elective is also the easiest succession type to get besides gavelkind, meaning that it is very consistent. Sure, primogeniture brings stability to a realm, but if you rely on it, you will not have very much fun when you take some tiny count and attempt to make a kingdom from scratch, or if you want to play as a pagan without reforming religion and become feudal (it is possible)
When I was beginner this helped, started playing in 2018
Glad to hear it helped you!
Viceroyalties are good, if you have Duchy selected you can give both kingdom and duchy viceroyalties out and keep your vassalls weak.
they are kind of op honestly
@@LordForwind This was much better than any of the 15 other videos I tried to watch. Thanks man
keeping your vassals weak has it's ups and downs, sometimes it is better to have strong vassals. They can circumvent truces and expand on their own, and they can contribute vast amounts of levy and develop land quickly.
Elective Monarchy is the best. Just have no more than one duke in your de jure empire and keep everybody else a count and you almost won't have problems with inheritance.
can be tricky if they form a duchy on you though
@@LordForwind True, but not if you set your empire laws not to allow vassals to fight each other. Only way would be through inheritance and then you just revoke their title and throw them in jail, if they have not rebelled by then or spread rumours about you or won't end a plot. The last three things would allow you to send them to jail without affecting other vassals' opinions of you. It can still be tricky though, as you said 😄
@@teodorstoyanov1826 I usually make 3 duchies to divide every other duchies land into as well as make them controlled by my dynasty member of the right culture and content
Elective gravel kind is a good one for me, from what i saw ingame it lets you choose who to nominate a king, instead of just automatically doing it putting sometimes the worst ones, its an interesting law to pick
You can nominate but you cant determine the outcome of the election that much.
@@LordForwind Election mechanic is not available on the free version of the game sadly
@@LordForwind Btw a question, how can i deal with those ppl that keep demanding stuff over and over again, they literally ruined my game 2 times in a row
in what sense?
@@LordForwind There's some annoying vassals that keeps doing the "election success" factions that keeps harassing the person till they do some mistake that makes her give up the game
Hey mate, that's an awesome intermediate-to-advanced guide, but I feel it could include one more topic: how to get more money. I struggle at the beginnings, with my kingdoms earning 5 gold pieces a month (or losing 20, when waging a war), and it only gets a bit better after half of the game, and even in the endgame, with a couple of kingdoms under me, high technologies, developed provinces and vassals approval in green, I can hardly afford to build a castle. There must be some hidden ways to accumulate gold, other than building the buildings and keeping vassals happy, aren't there?
Not really, um events from trading focus can help, and if you are ambitious creating a mercenary company can do it, but that requires lots of skill and luck, so I dont use it, look up a guide for it. Other things, always build money generating buildings first, build trade posts where you can, set steward to collecting taxes, ransom people after imprisoning them for plotting, win defensive wars, raid if norse or nomad. But most of the income comes from building and vassal taxes, you should not be able to raise an army without losing money for most of the game, meaning you need a reserve of gold to fight wars.
Thanks for answering mate, I also came across some hints about flattening the funnel by which the taxes come from the lower ranks to my chest by getting rid of duchies, not sure how this will work out though, gotta give it a try. There's a word about creating vassal merchant republics, but I never found them really impactful - probably it depends on the region, I guess they may be more productive in the Mediterrenean than in the Baltics. There are also hints about building towns instead of castles in the core regions, but it seems counterintuitive too; will give it a try some time.
Anyway, thanks for the effort put into your guides, I subbed your channel and will watch more if you post them, I find them quality content for someone like me who played CC for about 500 hours but still feels there's much more to find out. Cheers!
Ty for the sub. Not sure how the getting rid of duchy works in your favor but it might, I find creating merchant republics to be a long term payoff, since they need to get tech and build up before they give money, changing laws can help and duchy level theocratic government are usually good. The cities pay more in taxes than your castles, however you capital duchy should be as many castle as you can get, non- capital duchies should have cities
Without conclave, you don't get any tax from feudal vassals with the default obligations. So, unless you have vassal prince-bishops or grand-mayors, adding to your domain won't increase your income. You may want increase feudal taxes to at least small, and you can probably increase city taxes too.
participate in a winning crusade. I just sieged a couple counties and took part in a few of the big battles and got a relic thing and 3k gold
Could someone explain to me why the council members have 4 options available to put them to work? In my game I only have 3 options. Is it a specific piece of DLC or just the realm being played?
That would be the monks and mystics expansion, which gives a new order to each Councillor to make sure they are never idle.
This brings back memories😢
Hopefully good ones and not the ones like when will I get a CB or is my heir the devils spawn
This video is very powerful new sub
Thank you!
do a merchant republic video. do a nomad video. do a tribal video. do a video explaining all the different societies in game. do a video on the best ways to plot your way to land and money. do more videos man. i hate ck2 videos because the guy always rambles on and switches topics constantly or doesn't know wtf he is talking about. And I don't have that problem with you. I want more videos.
Okay I can try to do some soon, especially now its done with dlcs probably
@@LordForwind yeah its definitely done. They are working on ck3. Now would be a great time to mod the game actually. I hate how steam mods are setup cause you have no idea what will work. I hope the next game has a better mod setup. Rimworld and kenshi had awesome mod setups.
if im not mistaken, tanistry is better than primogeniture as you dont get negative buffs for unlanded sons and also if your first born is useless you can just vote for a different son or even an unlanded uncle. honestly. i think seniority is easier managed than primogeniture
Primo is easy to do just disinherit until you get the right heir. Tanitry tend to lead to civil wars or you losing control of the throne and they give away your lands or do something stupid. Seniority is too unstable from deaths
What are the dlcs this game has
all of them
I disagree with primo being the best, since that definitely goes to elective monarchy, specifically if you spend your first characters time making claims to your vassals lands allowing you to replace them with content vassals of the right culture, destroying duchies as well leaving only 3 controlled by your dynasty to divide the other duchies lands to, your realm is basically super stable, not to mention the eugenics program
Ah but with primo you have no surprises and the inheritance is basically ignorable which is why it wins easily.
@@LordForwind the thing is with the second part of my statement I can also destroy the duchies leaving only 3 that are also controlled by my dynasty, so either my preferred heir who has genius and attractive gets chosen, or another member of my dynasty gets chosen, who probably also has genius at least, also did you know that taking every county and barony a character does automatically destroys their duchy without any cost?
Great video ty.
Glad you enjoyed it
whats tanistry?
a unique inheritance that nations in Ireland and Scotland can get, its like elective but only dynasty members can inherit. It tends to not be parent-child but more like uncle - nephew. Its an amazing strong government easily in the top couple of them!
@@LordForwind ah i see. i was playing as breizh and was considering becoming tanist. i am currently progeniture.
@@LordForwind It's also why the deputy Taoiseach (what most countries call prime minister) in Ireland is called the Tánaiste.
I m not going to ruin this perfect amount of likes
Is 443 your lucky number?
yeah thats a bit odd
Elective monarchy is super good if you keep your vassals happy and are not a tyrant..
not really since you can lose elections really easily in the new patches
@@LordForwind What have they changed about it?
they altered some of the election preferences and titles inherited, tanistry probably is a better form
dont know how you got that the chancellor is the least important job on the council,that prize belongs to the court chaplin
unless you have tons of land to convery
It is always good to get some relations with the pope
thanks
You're welcome!
It's odd playing orthodox, in crusader kings 2, cuz you know, no crusades.
yeah but the Orthodox weren't know for crusades, but it makes them a weaker religion for sure
My favorite playstyle if european catholic : invite Norse / Germanic pagan to court -> make said pagan court tutor -> teach heir Germanic paganism -> convert to paganism when he enherits -> Raid 1'000'000'000'000'000 Gold and win!
raiding is really strong unless people can reach your lands and then you tend to die easily
@@LordForwind well, the advantage of doing it like this is you start with feudal government rather than the germanic tribal, that allows you to build real castles and you can get primogeniture before pagan reformation.
True that does work but its dangerous to be a non-catholic in early central europe. England might work really well though
@@LordForwind York and Kent are my Favorite spots :)
I did notice if you play a shattered - count world - there is the Osterfriesland - it is Germanic and Feudal from the start. And in shattered worlds, raiding is just overpowered :)
But then you dont get to be a Republic, and a raiding republic is really op
Pro tip: open the console, type "cash 9999999" and the hire all the mercenaries in the world
or dont because you are after achievements!