What's Keeping People From Choosing Mercedes Benz Electric Cars?
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The whole issue with electric vehicles is that they aren’t being brought to market by consumer demand. They are being brought to market because the government has determined that’s what we will be allowed to drive in the future. This skews the market so that we produce way more EV’s than anybody wants. Hence, they’re piling up at dealerships unsold. The free market would address this imbalance if allowed. But that won’t happen.
Yes. They are shoving electrics up our asses.
This isn't the case
Looks like I will be driving my 04 E55, till then end of my time.
240D and 2015 Nissan Leaf owner here. The Leaf is a great car around town and my battery health is 11/12 bars. On the flip side, I’ve heard issues with getting replacement battery packs with first gen Leaf’s. I can’t see the Mercedes Classic Center maintaining parts to rebuild packs 30 years from now.
Always love the channel, well done and thanks greetings from Ireland
Greetings from a German engineer, I just got my Mercedes EQA (I don't know if the A-Class is even known in the Usa) 3 weeks ago. All-wheel drive, 290 hp, drives quite well, but complicated operation of the software, poor range, higher consumption and 2200 kg weight, no frunk, small interior, costs 68000 euros.
My 2023 Tesla Model Y weighs 200kg less, better range, unbeatable software, almost twice as much horsepower, cameras all around, larger interior, glass roof and 10000 euros cheaper
Mercedes EVs are no real competition for Tesla. Mercedes CEO announced last week that the development of a new efficient EV platform will be stopped for the time being.
I like driving EV (Tesla) as I only drive a maximum of 100km every day in the city and charge at home. Very convenient. But with 250km of German highway, the battery is quickly empty. No idea how quickly I'll be empty in winter.
Then why did you buy it?
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Great acceleration, soooo quiet ride, electricity costs much cheaper than gasoline (35% of the cost of gasoline per 100km, here in Germany gasoline is very expensive, not such a gasoline price paradise like in the USA), 6000,- Euro government subsidy, no car taxes, avoidance of driving bans in the city, hardly any maintenance costs in the first 3-4 years,
AND: I have leased the cars and therefore have no problem selling them on the second-hand market. Besides, the technological development in the field of batteries is still too fast for me to want to sell a used EV in 5 years. Just return it and then choose a new one.
And to be honest, some EVs (Tesla, Porsche) are still considered cool and trendy here in Germany. Also, the politicians here have banned the registration of new ICE cars from 2035. Although I think the ban will be lifted at some point. Nevertheless: here in Germany, politics is a bit eco-radical at the moment.
@@martinsvensson6884
A brief explanation of the Mercedes EQA: it is our second car for short distances in the city. My mother-in-law is a Mercedes employee and can lease the car for a year on incredibly favorable terms. The Mercedes is then cheaper per month than a 5-year-old used VW. We lease for a year, then we get another new Mercedes. I think the next one will be an E- or C-Class gasoline.
That's a shame, because Mercedes obviously has the engineering capability to make a worthwhile EV - see the EQXX concept.
EVs are an evolutionary dead end and that market has already ran out of virtue signaling buyers for entry level Teslas which does not bode well for Mercedes regardless of any flaws their current EV offering may have. The demand just isn't there.
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@@THIRSTYGUMS what?
@@mrknobchopps "virtue signalling" blah blah, tell me you're a basic brainwashed donk without telling me lol
I agree, I would never have an EV. The government wants people to have them because they have easy control over them. I like analog cars that aren't computers on wheels with planned obsolescence engineered into them.
Like the new intro music!
Either you're on a green screen or that W124 has been getting some serious work done! On that note, I would love to see some W124 commentary from you!
People who are buying a Mercedes-Benz many times want a vehicle that they can service easily from home and that they know can run for 500,000km with no problems. The EQ lineup hasn’t proven that and the cars look terrible. It has to be said.
The Truth Hurts
Reliability, resale value, service hassles, and range anxiety are all reasons I would not buy a Mercedes electric car. I just KNOW that when I have any problem with an electric Mercedes that the dealer is not going to know how to fix it and leave me saddled with loaner cars, and long delays to get the car working right, and that is just during the warranty period. After the warranty expires I am quite sure the car will require $2.00 per mile to repair and have a resale value of $500.00.
Is it just me or did anyone else have issues with the sound? The music kept going until over the 3 minute mark?
Great information and very well delivered. Too expensive to maintain, short life cycle, range limited, too heavy, unpredictable depending on weather, long recharge time, and number one, they are not the solution to environmental issues!
I wouldn't be at all shocked if MB released a turbo diesel/hybrid diesel G-class. It's not like they haven't built such before. The W460-461s came with two gas engines and two diesels exclusively and the diesel variation is in high demand amongst collectors. I've got an '88 230GE (4 cyl gas) and one of the complaints I hear most often from newer G owners is related to consumption. Sticking a turbo diesel in a W463 would be an excellent move IMO. I too believe MB's gonna have a hard time selling an electric G-class...especially if a battery swap is a $60K + affair. Even G owners have their limits.
The sales manager at my local MB dealership told me recently that he had just shipped out 7 electric models to California because this market shows no interest in electric Benzes. If they want EVs they buy Teslas.
I agree 100%. The potential problems with electric cars are what are driving me backwards to a 300 TDT: lot fewer expensive electronics that can go wrong. (And who knows if those parts will be available when the car is 20+ years old.) And at some point electric cars are going to have to pay for using the road like those of us with conventional cars do through the gas tax, and they won't be such a cheap option anymore. (I cannot believe those people who complain that any tax on their electric car is unfair and they could not afford the car if they were taxed: not my problem, and I shouldn't have to subsidize your use of the road.)
I currently have a 1982 240D. For me, owning and driving a Mercedes-Benz has always been about precision of operation and quality of manufacture. I'm having trouble making that connection to EVs.
After replacing the timing chain and rebuilding the transmission on our R107 560SL and seeing the ~10k worth of top end engine work on our E53 Couple I like the relative simplicity of our EQS.
I feel like it all boils down to looks and reliability. I can totally see the tesla customer going for an electric C or E class instead of a model 3 at a comptetitive price point. The current mercedes electric vehicles are just not appealing to the eyes. Having all of these issues off the bat is just insult to injury as well. Long term though, EVs are really at a stand still with innovation. Besides increasing the range and speed, which already has a near ceiling, there really isnt anything else that the EVs offer. I think EVs have a place in the automobile industry, despite what others may say about it being a government made phenomenom. People who drive teslas LOVE them and I don't think the demand of the general public is going anywhere anytime soon, however I do think that alot of automakers really overshot their outlook on the EV market. I think a good move going forward is to take your top 1-2 Sedan, maybe 1 SUV ev and focus on hybrid powertrains for the majority of consumers.
Mercedes-Benz biggest hurt is letting the EV culture rep into the AMG lines. If MB would have kept the design of their S, E and C class and just make it an EV they would have sold more. The design of the EV line does not quantify the cost.
Because they’re insanely expensive and if I’m dropping that kind of coin at MB I want something that is true to the essence of top tier MB…I want a true AMG
The thought of a modern electric Mercedes is terrfying. Those of us who have owned newer Mercedes 1998-Present know that the sensors and electrical failures regularly mechanically totals these cars at at relatively low miles (about 125k miles). Now we are meant to double down on all electric..I think not!
The grills.
A while back , in san diego , the MB club was invited to the Escondido MB dealer for a meting . There was the first hybrid , a S class with a extra battery under the hood , the size of an group 49 battery . When asked the cost of that battery , at that time was $ 20 000 . Of course as long as that battery was on warranty , it was cover . That battery did only one thing is to run some accessory . Did you save 2 mpg ??? .
Modern Mercedes are made to last 6 years and then the electronics and plastic parts in it start to break down.
Classic Mercedes if well maintained would last decades with no major problems.
As for Electric cars I don't think they are perfected yet .
I think one should wait at least ten more years before considering to buy an Electric car in my opinion.
Haven't seen a Mercedes EV on the road here in New England.
There's a G450d currently on sale in Europe
Hi I’m thinking of getting a 124D300 1991 auto is this the one with reverse issues and if so are they easy to fix and I think you also mentioned engine wiring issues
But getting to what Pierre asked, why not many MB ev cars on the road, maybe the brand isn’t offering anything innovative? Or not innovative or reliable enough for the money? A Tesla 3 can be bought for less than half the price of a MB ev, and it has some cool features, are fun to drive and have decent range. A big MB ev is just an electric version of the same blinged-out luxury gas powered car? Maybe that’s not enough?
Here in Los Angeles I see a lot of MB ev’s but I guarantee they are leased so no issues with depreciation or reliability. More people seem to buy Teslas outright. Not sure what that means but there it is.
wtf is that edit in the beginning?
It’s not the turbo so is this also have head gasket issues too thanks
What happened to the audio?
It would help the entire ev car industry if a standardized battery pack would be developed. Like AAA batteries but on a big scale. Proprietary battery designs unique to each car model will be the single most problematic issue when it’s time to change it out or it gets damaged. EV cars are basically like iPhones, totally disposable in a few years because maintaining them doesn’t make financial sense in the long run. It’s going to be very sad for the environment in 10-20 years time.
This is actually already been done. All battery packs, beit a laptop or a car, use the 18650 lithium battery.
@@liljawn826true enough. But you have to think this through. A 108 kWh battery assembly in a Mercedes EQS needs about 8,500 of your 18650 battery cells (correct me if I’m wrong plz). You can’t just look at the individual cells. It’s a whole power unit with internal cooling, computer modules, etc. At this time they are not replaceable on a practical sense and they are not repairable or recyclable. When they wear out or get damaged they can’t be easily replaced due to their cost and engineering unique to each car model.
I’m talking about standardized power units of 50 to 80 kWh. If yours goes bad or is damaged, pull out the old one and install a new one plug and play. Maybe even rebuild the returned power units. It’s just an idea. My opinion is the ev car industry is killing itself with engineered obsolescence.
My first my first 1970 my last ? 7 in-between 3 still running 😂
Ml350 2007 240k miles SLK AMG 34k miles. Will not install a plug in my Garage ever
@@benetaue 310k on '85 SD. *If* there'll be another car it will *not* have an ICE.
My prediction. Some high end cars will have big gasoline engines. They dont care about mileage. Most normal cars will be hybrid or plug in hybrid. Can do say 40 miles on electric then gasoline takes over. Much smaller battery. And lastly companies like Tesla and BYD will do electric cars.
Greetings simply put they are no longer the best or nothing 🇩🇪⛽️🚘
I am not opposed to electric cars per se but they are only practical for most people for local around town driving if you can charge at home. Was recently visiting a friend in LA and in his neighborhood almost every second home had a Tesla parked in the driveway, some had two, with chargers running into the garages. Where I live in Phoenix not so much. If you don't have good home charging and you don't have a Tesla you are stuck with the Non Telsa charging networks which are practically useless. There have been numerous channels on RUclips exposing EV-Go and Electrify-USA and the trouble peple have trying to use these networks. I'm in IT and I HATE the idea of computers on wheels. Tesla does it better than anyone else but that's becuase they are not a car manufacturer. They are a tech company who makes their gizmos mobile. Even then there are very stupid design and engineering choices waiting to bite unsuspecting owners in the ass beacuse their "cars" are designed by code-monkeys who can't concieve of a world outside of a computer program. As for Mercedes. Stick a massivly overpriced unreliable new technology into an ugly vehicle on the back of the modern Mercedes (Post 2000) record of staggerinly overly complex unreliable vehicles and why would most normal people go near them? even if they could afford them.
EVs make good sense in most European countries
@@THIRSTYGUMS Then how come most Europeans aren't driving them?
@@petercollingwood522 Loads of Europeans drive electric cars 🤷♂️
@@THIRSTYGUMS Loads of Yanks too. But nowher near the majority and it will probably stay that way for a long time or maybe forever.
@@petercollingwood522 EVs are new, petrol cars have been around many many decades, ofcourse they aren't the majority, they will be eventually
Whatnis going on woth Mercedes dealers and 10 year old cars?
All new Mercedes , petrol or ev are garbage
Those horrible Ipad-cars!! Even the new E-class which is not an EV has a terrible interiour! Even if I could afford one, and I like both older and lots of the newer ones, I will never ever get that type of E-class.
One hundred years ago they trialled steam,electric and gasoline powered vehicles and gasoline cars won.
Battery chemistry has come a long way since 1924. But, with that said, nothing can compete with the energy density of petroleum quite yet.
One hundred years ago was a lot of years ago. Things change
@@TomK-ti8kpthe wear prone ICE with all its complicated cooling, lubricating, pollution control, fuel injection paraphernalia attached to an even more complex transmission can't compete with the simplicity and virtual indestructibility of an electric motor and a one speed transmission with instantaneous acceleration.
@@twntwrs in theory. The reality is, none of these EV automakers can seem to get reliability right. The day an EV can be as totally-reliable as a Toyota Land Cruiser is the day I’ll buy one.
I wonder if demographics are an issue in gauging demand: goog says that 50% of MB drivers are male, half of them are over 55. Electric car "likely" purchasers age range 18-30 - i.e., if they could afford it. Worldwide demographics are becoming inverted, esp in advanced economies. Therefore, less young people, lots of old folks. The young traditionally have less financial resources as well. Me likes my 83 300CD, I removed the back seats and noticed a rust spot, then tracked water ingress to a failed a window seal, which I can replace. Nostalgia for analog/mechanical things runs strong in Gen X on up, where the bulk of the population averages. Conclusion: EVs a diminishing market in part due to aging population. They should make small trailer that is a battery pack towed behind the car frame; have a small battery inside that can do in-town errands and a trailer for long runs.
Nobody wants these things. The first time I saw an EQS in the showroom of the dealersip in Springfield IL, I had to laugh. The complete lack of 'Mercedes-ness' of such a thing, and for that price! Laughable. Im so happy with my R129, S212 and old A-class😁.
We have friends in California that have Tesla’s. Government brown outs reduced charging. Solution: they purchased ICE car to have options. 🦇💩🥜
What I'm wondering is what's keeping more people from choosing Mercedes-Benz from the classic era! I try to preach the gospel wherever I go, but they're still hugely underappreciated. You'd think more people would appreciate something with such jewel-like build quality, if only they knew about it. I think if there was some way to give everyone in the US a test drive in a classic Benz, we'd have hundreds of thousands of new converts.
The laws of supply and demand are working against the Classic market. I drove a 280 SE 4.5 in the late 1980's (Boston) and it was unbelievable! There was ample supply of parts and skilled mechanics, costs were quite reasonable and the industry had not shifted to the current "plug & play" mindset. Fast-forward to today, you cannot take the risk of driving a Classic Benz, having something go wrong, and not being able to find the part$ not to mention qualified mechanics to diagnose the problems let alone fix the car correctly - ESPECIALLY if you don't live in a big city where there are options.
Mercedes is backtracking a bit on their EVs.
Electric cars are a gimmick
Not really , that is what you will be driving on the moon .
A gimmick with a fraction of the moving parts and maintenance an ICE vehicle needs.
@@twntwrsyou’re on the wrong channel mate. Let’s see how any electric car is going 30 years from now. Even 10 years.
They’re busted ass pieces of crap before people have even made their payments on it.
Sony Betamax of the future
The first cars were electric cars
Electric cars aren't a gimmick, it's the batteries that are a gimmick. The technology isn't there yet, but to get there it has to be funded and pushed.
The aftermarket will address the battery issues. Weve seen them do this with the first generation Prius and Escape hybrids, which are both really great cars that are seeing 80's Mercedes levels of miles racking up on them. The batteries themselves aren't the problem. The problem with these cars is the lifespan of the other components of the vehicle. The modules, the touchscreens, the buttons and switches that do not lend themselves to repair but only replacement. You wont see these parts available on the aftermarket, and with Mercedes pushing for a 10 year life cycle for the vehicle we wont expect to see them available at the dealer, either. So, why would anyone pay $200k for a car that they can't keep? With Mercedes build quality currently in the dumps, the Ford is just as nice and its only $80k. These Mercedes electrics are appealing to the same people who buy G-Wagens. It's just a tax writeoff and that's it.
I just did a week long training course on the Ford Lightning and eTransit. Those vehicles are very serviceable and Ford has made it a point to move as much design and manufacturing of major components under their own roof as possible. They're designed and built to be repaired. They even went so far as to just install a high volume full duty cycle vacuum pump to drive the traditional hydraulic brakes. They're still overpriced, but you can expect a long service life and maximized value out of those cars. You wont get it out of one of those Benzes.
Biggest scam, they should of stopped 1991-1993 max.
Ill take my 200$ 79 300d any day over a electric car any day and race it across the the us while They be charging up I'm still cruising proudly if peaple only new how dirty electric cars are they use thousands of gallons of diesel to dig up and mine for the materials four the battery the truck it to a plant to extract the lithium take that lithium put it on a truck to take it to a place to build that battery build that battery put those batteries on a truck to the electric car plant builders electric cars to track them across the US or to the port to put them on a ship the burns thousands and thousands of gallons diesel or crude oil did you get across the ocean and back what a crude car they are if you're going to build an electric car build electric car that recharges itself as it drives
Electric Mercedes are a dumpster fire. Literally.
this evaluation of ev's is such bs...make a good ev and people will buy them.. i.e. Tesla..
Fake vehicles!
The interior and exterior look like crap
Cause they look terrible let’s be honest
Only the rich can afford them anyway$$$$🤑