When did Mercedes stop making "forever cars"
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just recently bought my first Mercedes-Benz 1981 300D
A fantastic vehicle .
Congratulations
Thanks Pierre. Owning a W123, W108, W121, W124, 2 W126s and a W202 myself, I can confirm everything you say. Long gone are the days when Mercedes was a company where true engineers ran the company.
Unfortunately that is so. I have a 2007 W245 B Class and have had an issue with the cheap and nasty starter motor - probably Chinese!!! To get it out to rebuild it some say you have to remove the engine!! Yikes!!! But there is another way; you can just remove the right front wheel and the exhaust manifold and then with difficulty it can be extracted.
Otherwise the B is (so far) quite a good car. I have owned 6 MB's in the past, but never any as "new" as the B.
Aren't w292s crap ?
Great info. W123 and W126 were also the last of grease fittings in the door hinges.
My wife found me sobbing while listening to this video. When I explained that I don’t have a forever MB, she suggested that we go to the dealer and look at one of the new coupes. (She just doesn’t get it.)
Pierre, is a 1985 500 sec a "forever" car? Tx phil
If you own a television set it is not her fault. She is going to need deprogramming. Her mind has been poisoned there is no nice way to say this but it may be too late.
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Delighted to hear the baby news!! I adore you and your disregard for feelings! Ha ha ha! I am a female and have never worked on cars but I love watching those that do. Best wishes from Australia
My grandmother was named Madeline and she was the nicest, warmest, sweetest person to ever walk the earth.
Let's face it. In the last 25 years virtually all Automotive innovation has been "compliance" driven due to the environment. Up to that point innovation for the most part was about improving the quality and performance. Not so much now. "Forever" cars have always been owner dependent. I grew up in the Midwest in the 50's and 60's. You would shocked how many people trade cars every year. The mentality was I'm driving this car for 12 months
so screw the maintenance costs.
Through my past job I had to lease cars and never had one more than three years, and I guess that may be the only way to 'own' a dependable new car. There is no joy in this for a motor head - may as well rely on Uber.
Communists require control==control best sought thru government enforced REGULATION.grvn
"You don't need anything but a multimeter and a working brain". Well, at least I have one of those two.
....a vacuum/pressure gauge, oscilloscope & a multimeter is almost every piece of specialist equipment you'll ever need for a Gen I W126.
201, 124 and 116 demise marked the end of the greatest carmaker in history.
126 , I mean
@@neilrafferty2097 W123 300D ?
qwertyui90qwertyui90 Never bettered
No, I don't think so. The W201 is NOT in the same league as the other two you mention. From where I'm standing, the end of the W123, W124, and W126 chassis' signaled the end. After all, the conclusion of the run of those three models marked the end of Daimler-Benz AG. As an entity! It wasn't long until the merger with Chrysler Corporation -- builder of the world's biggest pieces of shit. So yeah...the greatest carmaker in the history of the world ended in 1999 but they stopped building their cars to the classically expected standard in 1996. The W201 marked the beginning of that END -- it was NEVER part of the "old" Mercedes-Benz tradition of century lasting quality. THAT was in the demise of the W126 chassis. THAT car is the absolute pinnacle of automobile design and functionality, reliability and dependability, luxury and safety, performance and economy. The best car ever created is the W123. The best "luxury" saloon EVER created? Yeah...that was the W126 -- both sedan and coupe. Not even the Maybachs of today communicate the same energy and feedback, in the same manner, to the driver/owner, as the "vintage" cars from the classic era. The Daimler-Benz era. I doubt any car ever will again. At least, not in that manner...not in the way a W126 handled and performed in it's day. There was nothing like it before and there hasn't been anything quite like it since! Such a very special car that was very much "of its time" and is still in enormous demand TODAY!
124, 126, 114
Pierre, congratulations to You and Mrs both on the exuberant expectancy of Madeline, God bless.
I hope the spelling's correct.
After owning my '85 300D for 4 years now, I am dumbfounded why anyone would ever want anything with a computer in it. Computers were the dumb down of the auto industry. KISS. Thankfully owning a Cummings 12 valve diesel Ram gave me the guidance to stay away from the computer controlled systems. Cheers on your forthcoming family member.
The NEW WORLD ORDER wants You to Own NOTHING---just be taxed for everyone else gets for just paying their TAX. grvn
Name your kids real names ! I COULDNT AGREE MORE ! imagine in 80 years when these poor kids are in nursing homes and all their names sound and are spelled like youd name a dog ...
Thanks for the great video .. problem is that people like you who are experts in these cars are Rare and hard to find .. and will get rarer as time goes on .. plus many people don’t have the patience or the resource to fix these old cars . But I agree with you .. these cars are worth every penny to be saved. And heartiest congratulations 🎉🎊 🎈
Wonderful news
One of the msin reasons I bought my 91 350SDL was analog tech. Yes, there's abs and air bag but the rest of it is computer free. Runs like a top and I can pretty much can fix anything in my garage.
Imo, w123 was the start of the downswing and into w126 territory. After 91ish there was too much pressure to complete with the Japanese imports so MB had to drive out cost.
My son will get my W126 if we can keep the rust away from the W210 it would go to one of my other kids. However, I'd be surprised if we could get parts for the w210 for another 15 years. With the sacrifices given up between the two series, I'd have to pick up a parts car for the w210. The 126 is just much more solidly and robustly built compared to the w210. Yet I wouldn't hesitate to jump in either for a ride from Chicago to Titusville.
Congratulations you have taken steps in the right direction to reject the awful garbage now being called offerings from Mercedes ,keep your forever car!
Congratulations on the baby girl. You're right about the forever cars.👍 The problem I see is getting new good parts for forever cars. Some parts are already NLA as you know.
What a great clip; especially the insight on the '94 & '95 E320; I just crossed that car off my list! Thanks!!
I was going through the maintenance receipts on my 1987 300d w124
And it shows the dryer was warranty 2x and ac compressor and other components on the ac. It looks like sometime it was converted to 134
But currently nothing on climate panel works. No heat no air.. but everything I look at on the car is new or recently replaced. But it runs great gets close to 25mpg so not complaining. But air in 100f would nice 😕
Congratulations on your family. Pretty awesome. That Madeline will change your life in the most remarkable way.
Congratulations to you and your wife, Pierre! Patrick in New Brunswick, CANADA.
I have successfully used "amazing goop, household adhesive" to glue the clips back onto w210 door panels, w140 and w126 door panels
I did the same thing on my W140. The interior rearview mirror is glued together with jb weld!
Great to hear about your baby, I worked for a factory owned dealer ,as a star technician in the 70-80s.I worked side by side with factory German techs on problem cars..it was a great experience for me .I own a 87 r107 sl and a 89 300ce with 289,000 miles runs great.yes you are right I now work on newer ones ,and without alldata and my scan tools and good wiring diagrams you never fix it.many thanks to you helping others.
Mercedes Benz announced they were going to stop making “multigenerational” cars in 1991. Congrats on baby Madeline! I love the name, tres’ class!
Congratulations on the baby!!! 😃........Raj
Congrats on your addition!!!!!!
W126 molded door clips usually break off and fall into the door. Mine had 5 out of 6 broke. I guess The last guy to remove the door panel was a slow learner. Anyway here’s how I fixed mine. I retrieved the broken clips and matched them to the stubs on the door card. I mixed some fiberglass resin and took fiberglass mat (not screen) and formed it around the hook and base. I took aluminum foil and wrapped the whole scene, insuring the opening under the hook that goes into the door slit didn’t close with dripping goop. After it sets you can either leave the tinfoil, or pull it off if you’d like. Most of it came off pretty easily. This worked flawlessly on my car
Thank you for this very insightful repair. I did not know fiberglass would do the trick
My pleasure, friend!
Some fantastic detail Pierre. Provides buyers with the necessary information if they're looking for a later model Benz. For me I'll stick with my 79 450SE.
Its fine to say you can switch out a center vent actuator, but where do you find one?
I have a 1993 W124 300E - M104 engine. 100,000 miles. It's a great car, albeit with some parts that are not able to be rebuilt. But the original build quality largely cancels out that disadvantage.
Congratulations on your new family!
Yep. I tried a 2009 S550. Tried a 2005 E500 4Matic. Tried a CLK 320. Absolutely loved every one of them (the E500 the most -- what a car) but if I'm honest about it, both my 1984 and '85 300Ds, 1990 300SE, 1993 400E and 1993 500SL drive just as well, if not better. They need repairs and service less often, and they're just more comfortable. They "feel" heavier -- read: safer -- and the quality is self-evident; there is almost NO PLASTIC! ANYWHERE. Everything is wood or metal. There's nothing like a pre-1997 Mercedes-Benz automobile. No Audi, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti or Jaguar even compares...
Great news Pierre. Congrats!
I bought a neglected rust-free 1994 E320 in Florida in 2016. Four years and $8K in parts later, I am starting to get on top of the deferred maintenance. Still need to do the rear subframe, and planned brake upgrades. And wheels😵, I cannot find a decent set of affordable monoblocks.
Congratulations on your happy news!
Congratulations on the baby. 1000 mabrouk!
Shukran! I
In 1996 I was 19 years old, my best friend from Iran gave me his Mercedes 1982 560e but I didn’t know any thing about car’s so I traded in for a Toyota. Today I still mad at my self . I am looking for the same car today on 2021. Thanks for sharing
Great list. I'd add a vacuum gauge / tester to the multimeter "must have" tools. I'll hang on to my W108, W116, and W126 as long as I can. Despite the issues (W116 vacuum system; W126 M103 "you have to change the water pump to replace the short WP to cylinder head hose"), they can be SERVICED.
Yes... what would I do without mine?
Congratulations Pierre and Elaine!!!!!
A truly great commentary, Pierre. I have always owned Saabs and old Benz's (W105, 111, and 116); my next car will be a 91 126 (Go analogue!). My mechanic of 30 years who has worked on all my cars no longer works on any MB built in the last 10 years because of the electronics - in NYC where there is a surplus of great analogue mechanics he cannot find a good digital mechanic for under $150,000. It's really scary. A close friend (not a motor head) in Florida wanted to buy a used SUV and was looking at an 2013 ML350 gas car with 120,000 miles because he said 'Mercedes were the best cars and last forever' - which I offered a different opinion regarding 'contemporary' models. I suggested he contact you. I don't think he did. I dread the next call.
Congrats on the new addition to the family! In your opinion Pierre, what would you trade a 93 S600 for in order to secure a forever model? Other than say a 72 SWB 600?
Congratulations on your news. Baby girls are the best. Take the time to enjoy the small moments. She will remember more than you can even guess. God bless.
Until she starts being interested in boys haha
Haha thank tou
I had a nice 300d years ago, the rear quarters were rusting. I sold it. But, I want another one, have a lot of spares.
Congratulations,hope all goes well
My R129 is a forever car for me . I have had it 17 years . Everything works and it’s never let me down . My w126 300se is a forever car too . My R231 will be sold in 2021 it’s awful
How much money have you put in it the last 17 years? I have had one 9 years and dumped quite a bit into it. That said I am helpless with a wrench and doing the work. Everything works though. They are great cars but aren't for the faint of heart in my experience.
@@markodell2379 I worked it out somewhere I budget £1200 per year and was just under about £19k over 17 years. This is for all servicing and repairs. Much less than I have lost in the various news cars I have owned due to depreciation and running costs
@@BEGGARWOOD1 I'm averaging around $1800 per year in 9 years. That includes everything including a new top which was a large chunk of that. I expect if I keep it another 8 years my average will drop a bit. You are correct! If one does the math deprciation in many other cars is far greater. Mine was about to the bottom of the curve when I purchased it. I wouldn't get out of it what I paid for it but would still do ok from that end.
Congrats!
congratulations!
My favorite car is a 124 with the om606 without a/c and electric windows and seats. I guess that is one of the last (almost) analog Mercedes. I do have wagon like that, but with the a/c....., and it’s a super car.
I follow your caution on the late W124 E320 , but is the M119 versions of the W124 to be avoided if harnesses are done, no apparent issues with reverse clutch, ETA and evaporator? Mine seems clean but I can’t live with a money pit. Congratulations as you expect your daughter. Many joys are ahead.
Wonderful definition of forever Mercedes
Congratulations!
Im almost 30 years daily driving my w201 190D 2.5 manual. Made it aesthically perfect from all the gasser w201s in LA's junkyards years ago. Another league
The last "forever car" is the 123 series.
Until 1986 Mercedes made their cars as best as possible. It was still an era of engineers & designers.
After that they changed to making their cars as good as necessary, which is quite different.
The era of managers & shareholders we are alas, still in.
Congratulations on your baby girl. One of my daughter‘a name is Grace Madeline...classic names just like classic MB.
Congratulations Pierre!
Congratulations Pierre and your better half for the coming new family member!!!
SBC senstronic brake control they kept it on the 230 but deleted it on the 211 in 07 so it dropped the price on the 07 211 by 5gs so customers that bought a 211 in 06 were bent it was awesome...what’s really awesome is the EGS control unit that is part of the security system so you can’t do a trans swap or replace the control unit without logging on to a server in Stuttgart what a pain in the ass
I agree with most of what you say kind of.
I have a ‘95 0.34 E420, it works, and it can keep up with modern traffic.
Granted the three major harnesses have been replaced, they are all rebuildable.
Yes the pulse diagnostic is a pain but the w124 is so prevalent that there are so many good mechanics who can diagnose what is wrong. It’s not that complex of a car.
So as long as parts are available it should be included as a forever car..
Just my .02 cents
You are the man
Big congratulations 🥳 on the baby news 👶🏻😊
Tbh I’d consider the early 129 90-92 to be pretty old school shares a lot of the same components from the 80’s stuff it’s a very analog car steering fuel injection and many other ways
the last time that the de men in the bleu workcoats developed a car was the w140 then the beancounters took over
1) I would love to hear / read interviews with retiring senior engineers who had been with the company in the good old days, and were there for the painful changes in the late 80's to mid 90's. Probably was no fun to watch all your hard work and values going down the drain. (Documentary anyone? -- Might already exist, albeit in German..)
2) I want to know why Mercedes felt they needed to change: Why was the cheaper (but lower quality) Lexus a serious competition issue? I mean sure, Mercedes would lose a lot of market share. Of course. But could they have downsized and survived on lower sales as the price for keeping their engineering ethic? Or would their sales really have gone to complete zero?
CONGRATULATIONS!
I'm thinking of buying a 2001 S430 with 110k miles the problem is it's stuck low gear but my real concern is it doesn't have reverse can it still be the conductor plate or cellinoid
It sounds like a trans internal issue
I love W114
mercedes to this day still has wire harness that fall apart. look at the headlight assemblies. china makes better ones than mb. it was 18 hrs of labor to do the evap on a w140. I did so many of them that I could get it done in 5 hours. inmo this is done intentionally. most of the SDS do not have the HHT software and will not work with the 38 pin. I rebuild the p/s racks all the time and if you keep the fluid clean they last forever. Sensotronic brake control, really fun to perform the brake fluid flush. on these type of cars i think they are good candidates for eng swaps. Just watched someone buy a nice w140 600 for $900 to take the engine and put it in a 68 camaro. inmo a forever car is a NA or NB Miata. wait, you can easily swap an analog sbc into a mercedes and not have to deal with any of their computers!
Congratulations on the baby girl !
Bravo Pierre great presentation👏👏👏👏. Congradulations on the Madelen announcement.
As a father of 4 with 3 daughters it's officially "GAME ON" 🤨. You'll soon discover being a husband and a father are quite different challenges and often contradictory.
Congratulations on your baby girl. So she is the next mechanic in the family.
I had a 1999 C280 Sport (w202) given to me because it wouldn't start and the previous owner couldn't figure it out.
Were you successful
@@mercedesclassicswithpierre1753 No. I don't even know where to start trying to diagnose the problem.
congrats with your daughter!!
Congratulations on the baby!!
I airways thought my 1991 300SE was a forever car. Does the glued plastic clips in doors disqualify me?
Lol
No
Congratulations Pierre
I have a W123 and W126 diesel, but the issue is I noticed in the past 10 years it's gotten harder to find a good honest mechanic shop that I trust to take them to. So even though they are simple to work on, not many shops want to work on them or know how; I have to just fix things my self as much as possible or find mechanics and offer to pay them directly to work in my garage not the shop.
Self reliance is necessary in this situation where are you
Located
Very well said, w123 forever
Sprinter vans are used as ambulances too! Stupid EGR valve!
my w202 has 250k miles, nothing wrong with it. Cost of ownership probably 100% lower than older mercs. ALso you will be paying 4-5x upfront for a junk classic merc than a 2000s e-class you can pick up for 500$.
1981 126se 500 petrol Bruno Saci interior...any
Comments on what parts to watch out for failing
I heard thats why Mercedes merged with Chrysler was for diagnostic's, supposedly Chrysler had the best diagnostics at the time.
Mercedes W123 240d is a forever car. My 1981 Mercedes Benz 240d with a 4 speed manual is a forever car and it is my daily driver.
I own a wonderful 2002 E 430 which IMHO is the last great Mercedes. Yes they have rust issues so that has it's limitations (winter driving etc) but that said if you drive one that is right it is the 1st Mercedes sports sedan and they got it right. I'm on my 2nd one and have found he pristine examples of this pre-classic are getting very difficult to find.
Everybody thinks that the car that they have is the last of the great Mercedes. This car should function like a Toyota Camry. It should be safe and reliable but don’t try to restore it
I agree with everything you say !
Congratulations on the baby.
Congrats
pierre didnt mercedes return the torque converter drain? in 2010 up models
Just one point on this one... I have a 2000 W163 (ML55), and a 1995 W140 (S320), and a 2003 C203 (C240 Estate). I have been able to open up EVERY single control module, and get them working again, usually just by replacing ALL of the capacitors. This is VERY important after the 20 year mark. After 20 years, the caps start dropping like flies. All of my cars have ZERO warning lights.
I have found that CARSOFT (chinese clone multiplexer) paired with a Dell Latitude D630 (running Win XP) is a very reliable, if limited way of completely diagnosing the 32-pin cars, as well as the OBD-2 cars. I have tried using DAS, with the SDConnect (C 4/5) Multiplexing unit, and it seems to be very glitchy and after trying two different new units, I haven't been able to get a fully working system. So take that as you will.
There are a few people like you that are smart enough to do this Mr. Waters
Right on, that is my cutoff : 1995.
Last W124, W140 was borderline, C class and W210 are remove and replace nightmares
(imagine one day you will have no more replacements, then what ?)
The 190 was already a sign of things to come.......
7:28 wiring diagram is cinch.
Try getting a datasheet (required for German registration, if you lose your papers) for an older Mercedes van (O309).
They are charging you 150Euros for one sheet of paper !
Congratulations
i much should i sell mercedes 304 horizon blau? based on today’s market price
I’ll throw my hat in the ring for an M103/M104 powered R129. I think the M103 is one of the best gasoline engines Mercedes-Benz made...the M104 isn’t far behind.
(I said ONE of the best...)
And the R129 is, in my opinion, the best design to ever come off Bruno Sacco’s desk.
As for crossing cars off your list that are named in this video - don’t. If you’ve always wanted a ‘94 E320, buy a good one. But...be ready to deal with it. Every car - EVERY car - is a series of compromises. Decide what’s important to you, and take your lumps if you have to. Missing out on a car that really calls to you because you’re afraid a window regulator might break or because you’d have to do top end work on the engine does your soul a disservice.
Even a mighty W123 can be brought down by an unobtainable cheap plastic part. Spent much time looking for a VCV for your OM616 lately that someone hasn’t ruined? Good luck driving your auto transmission car without one...
Owning ANY classic Mercedes-Benz is not for the faint of heart... but so worth it. Even if it’s just an old C-Class, if that’s what makes your heart flutter...
I'd honestly say the M104 was a fair improvement over the 103! It shared an almost identical block but with an improved double cam head and a double row timing chain that never needs replacing. They also improved the valve guides compared to the M103 so that they never needed replacing, and any head gasket failures went from mixing oil and coolant, to just leaking oil externally, which can be left as long as you can bare the mess, whereas a head gasket failure on an M103 needed addressing immediately!
I agree with absolutely everything else you said though 😆
Early m104 😍
I don’t think I have an “early” M104...does a 1991 300SL count?
I guess that’s only 2 years into it...
@@6DtHAngL6 that's as early as it gets really, unless he had the 3.0 CIS ones in mind. I have one of the earliest injected (LH) M104s in my 92 W140. They improved a lot over the M103 but of course there were added complexities
How do you feel about old g wagons
W140 till the bitter end. Nothing is more universally gangster then a w140 limo on mono's.
Excellent knowledge, but visual good be better.
Congratulations to your wife and to you, Pierre, on your expectant daughter!
What about a 1984 w123 300td turbodiesel with 400k miles on it? Request 8k...
MB, hand built quality cars, for long enough to build a reputation, then went down the mass production route, still charging hand built prices. The quality dropped significantly, but they've been able to maintain their "superior German product inductees" (Kool-Ade drinkers).
Congrats on the Baby girl -- will change your life forever
So now the question from "New Guy" - again sports guy nut - and new to Mercedes - which model, number and year would you start looking for a used Mercedes based on cost, value, and ROI - Big question, and thanks - Walt Wick (non expert, non mechanic, non talented)
I have a 1991 190e 2.3 is that a forever car? Also do i have 84-91 or 91-93?
Well technically it is... I think so with some caveats
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you could buy an wis (werkplatz informations system )cd for every mercedes untill the W124 then you bought an cd and you could do everything.
for later models your are srewed
SBC, sensotronic brake control
Thank you