"THE RED BULL TO MAN UNITED'S FERRARI!" 😡🔥 Simon Jordan explains why Man City aren't a BIG CLUB! 😬
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Are Manchester City a BIG CLUB? talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan have their say!
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It’s actually a great analogy. Ferrari with the history and pageantry but little recent success vs red bull with the recent domination but significantly less history. Even got the colours right.
Ferrari is cutting edge Technology
City play cutting edge Football
Utd have and still play dross
Ferrari - Utd,City?🤔
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings all f1 cars are cutting edge technology. That’s not the comparison being made
@@Graziak5 someone that actually thinks
Howard Webb evidence
Utd,Ferguson Legacy is Tainted
Utd won with help of Establishment
City win against Establishment,no?🤔
Ferrari (Man Utd) the bigger brand and Red Bull (Man City) the best car -
It's not even a debate. City are a miles better team, United are a miles bigger club. Simple.
yes they are bigger but at the same times they are still saying real madrid is smaller club by leaps and bounds then man united which is kind of bs on its own not that im saying he is wrong but lets be honest here xD
United bigger than Madrid?? 😭😭 They are not even in top 5 😂😂😂😂
But one is a cheat
United are the biggest club in the world - city rev is big due to cheating - but they have little to zero fans
@@eL--RaLUnited aren't bigger than Madrid. But United are definitely top 5.
i'm a 35 year old man from London and i still don't know a City fan personally. I have no doubt that will change in the future but that will take a while to filter down to the next generations. That's basically what Simon Jordan is trying to say
They have a huge fanbase online but even that was inflated , they were 4th globally for most bots and inactive accounts on Twitter. Their chief of marketing said only 1% of their viewers that are fans are in Uk
@@VR46314 You can't fake a genuine fan base. They are about to win an incredible treble and i still don't see any City shirts around living in one of the financial capitals of the world lol
@@VR46314 Yeah. People like to support winners. When City start losing those "fans" will be gone.
You guys are crazy everyone loves city in Manchester and all the fans are English not Chinese
I live in Barcelona and see plenty of kids with City shirts. I
The point Simon's making is look at what United can do without winning anything Pretty much 90 odd% of what City bring in when they win pretty much everything and at a time when the prize pool wasn't as big either..That's the point of the revenue talk.
Prize money and stadium tickets really don't add revenue,, TV Rights and commercial income tho... And if United were to have control of their own TV Rights they'll blow away everyone
Yes but that’s down to United not being good enough to win things, both go hand in hand
@@chrisseel5838 No it isn't. It's strictly business. United brought in 627m wining zero. Man City 650m winning everything.
@@tonyh8965 they had nearly 30 years winning everything though.
Rubbish - the difference between 1st and 2nd (&then to third etc) in the epl is only 2m! The fa and league cups are small beer. Champs league is the big differentiator in prize money earned, particularly between whether you are in or out of it. Once in it, the differences are circa 10-50m dependent on how far you get, so again across all comps the prize money difference for second vs winning is circa 60m in total, even adjusting for the fact city win lots of stuff and united don’t City’s revenue is still higher. That’s because the Man City commercial team is years ahead of uniteds in terms of its professionalism and intellectual firepower. This discrepancy in citys favour is also duplicated in the manager, in the senior management team and in the owners! No surprises here I’m afraid, city is just a far better ran club. Simon given his background should really be able to understand that?
City Sponsorships?
You mean Abu Dhabi's shell companies like Wega with no staff, no active products and being run out of a mailbox in London.
A shady NFT, who would have thought? How did you determine the owners of Man City which is more than just the abudhabi group and not just another shady NFT/bit coin pyramid scheme?
Try not to cry too hard, please
If you think Simon's wrong on this, that's a shame, because he's not.
It doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, it doesn't make his argument any less pathetic.
Oh so now a United fan is a fan of Simon becuz what, he's siding with United for once? 😂😂
The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
7. History reliance 😂😂
@@eL--RaL Relax
United bigger than Madrid?? 😭😭 They are not even in top 5 😂😂😂😂
United got global fans by winning and dominating. Facts: International fans follow star players and winning team at that time. Ronaldo and ManU was that combo but City and Halaand/KDB are now. United got fans born in 90’s and City is getting current generation 🤷🏻♂️ Simple. In a decade they will be comparable in every sense. Domestic and Internationally. Pretty simple
Totally agree, sensible comment...kudos
Thankyou, you understand football as a global game rather than a regional game..
Respect 👏🏼
I agree if it goes like this the in a decade, they might have the same level of greatness but rn no. Not at all, would be just delusional
@@HangYou-jz8yj yes mu rn no, not at all a big club, not anymore.
If this was the case then Chelsea would based on your logic be one of the big clubs because they where winning early 2000’s
Simon is spot on.
United bigger than Madrid?? 😭😭 They are not even in top 5 😂😂😂😂
@@Hghar Gumbo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣if was from England he would get that but he is not
@@Hghar thousands eyes and one Bloodraven is FFP for city
He’s clueless as a donkey 🫏
@@eL--RaL Do you do anything other than write RUclips comments? Sad, strange little weirdo.
I'm a City fan and I'm happy that we're still viewed by many as "little Citeh." Like some of the greats that came before us, we will need to have a sustained period of time where we dominate like LFC in the 1970s & 80s and like United in the 1990s, 2000s and early 2010s to be lauded as a "big club." The fact is, we are creating our own unique history and with every game we win, and every competition we conquer, we grow in size a little more. Will we get to that level iconography that Barca, Bayern, RM, MU and LFC occupy? Possible. But I don't really care if we ever do as I am just so pleased to be the thorn in all the big clubs' sides. May it long continue!
For some reason some so called city fans actual say things like c'mon citeh?
They don't realize that's it's actually a derogatory term started by man yoonited fans.
Saying CITEH isn't cool kids 👍🏻
@@Mcfc_Champions You could take it that way, OR you could take as a way to actually mock those who originally came up with it as it is clearly not applicable anymore. Up to you...
And their cheating bastards too
Lol…. City built on oil money thinks they can ever come close to iconic clubs like United, Pool, RM, Barcelona etc…
it’s isn’t the success, it’s how you get there. History doesn’t forget how success was built, it never will!
Legally, all that has won is corruption
Ask a thousand genuinely honest and unbiased football fans who their Top 5 biggest clubs are and there will be your answer. In no order, I would vote Real Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona. But that really goes on history, fanbase, trophy wins and global recognition.
Yeah, AC Milan and Ajax could possibly be argued too (for historical success not present) but the list you gave is just plain and simple common knowledge fact. Utterly bizarre to try and throw City into the mix, even if they do end up winning the treble
That wasn’t a fun fact
HISTORY is the correct term. MC are developing a following that will surpass all of the rest.
@@grsafran In the Middle East, you mean?
Simon Jordan talks using his brain . intelligent arguments, intelligently delivered.
You don't need to nosh him off.
@@regs_j jealous?
Until he disagrees with you
keeps repeating himself, he's losing it
Us City fans, we don't care about being the BIGGEST club. We used to be the biggest laughing stock...the worst run club in football playing in the third tier as our neighbours won the treble. I was there in Dec '98 when we lost to Stockport. We didn't even own our club shop! Now we have owners who have invested in the club (another 300 million quid on the way for an stadium expansion with hotel and museum) and the surrounding area (houses, a college and a 25000 seater concert venue) and they have turned us into top dogs. The club studied the best practices around the world (Nike campus, Dallas Cowboys etc) and emulated them with distinction.
On the other hand, United have been pillaged for the last 17 years because they WERE the biggest club, with incredibly loyal fans. The clever ones knew where this was going and created FC United of Manchester which is commendable, good luck to them. Old Trafford is now a leaky rust bucket and United have a team littered with mercenaries. I would argue that Real Madrid are the biggest club in the world, their new stadium is as astounding as their trophy laden history.
The City group (13 clubs now) are on the rise and the blue shark won't stop until they are satisfied. We were the 1st Manchester team to win the FA Cup (1904) and we're also the last. A 3peat, a double and maybe the greatest prize in European football. What a time to be a blue.
And the blue shark may find itself very much out of the water, when these 100+ breaches are called into question and proven to be true?
@@juliarichards8366 Very very unlikely, time you stopped being bitter and jealous AND mind the massive gap.
@@juliarichards8366 nobody cares that they cheated because how quickly all the pundits forget.
@Julia Richards 😂 ain't happening lad.
@@aryan.4855 Just like nobody cared when debt ridden Manu was financed by selling rotten meat to Manchester schools, apart of course us Mancunians who remember it with disgust.
Man United & Liverpool will always be the BIGGER CLUBS than Man City no matter what or even wealth they have
The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
5. History lecturing 😂😂
🤣🤣sad to be the bigger club and be frustrated like that way by a smaller club huh.Tell me more
@@guamatv the sad part is city used double bookkeepings and fake companies to sponsor them to achieve this
It's going to take around fifty years before city (keeping the trophies coming in + consistency of brand name) before they can even consider themselves in the league (brandwise) compared to Liverpool and united.
@@Kr4zYm0f0 Okay you seem to have it all figured, just submit your evidence to epl probably it'll help them win the case wink
The whole "big club" argument is complete garbage to be fair, as there is no official rules or set of requirements to be a "big club", it's just a catchphrase that's subjective to opinion.
Except it isn't....Manchester United are a club recognised and followed worldwide by millions of fans. Manchester City just aren't on the same level, they've only been relevant for the last 15 years. Best team in the world atm no doubt about that but in terms of the club as a whole they aren't close to United.
@@bobbyb6067Support your local club!
Well said! It's also ridiculous that certain clubs seem unable to give up that status despite whatever. For example how's Everton still a "big" club. Based on what # of fans in England alone?
@@bobbyb6067 So what are the official criteria for being a "big club" and where are the limits set? There is none, it's just a buzzword, a catchphrase that fans throw around to make some clubs seem better than others. But I agree with you on Man Utd, they do have more fans in China than Man City and their stadium does hold more people even though it's rusty and old. What a couple of things to be proud of.
@@bobbyb6067 See my comment on the main thread.
Well said Simon!!
Also, their treble isn't comparable to United's; one done with six home-grown players and without financial cheating.
14 home grown players in 99
@@SnayMyName liverpool never won the treble. if you don't know what treble people talk about please go back and support your local icehockey team
Who are the six
@@SnayMyName Neither of those are THE treble. Which is the same in every country. It consists of the league title, the main domestic cup and the champions league. The only English side to do that so far is United. Cope.
@@juicymullet585he's not living in the past. He is simply saying the 1999 treble is MUCH better than the city treble. Which is true.
Simon is a proper United fan boy.
Yep. Always gets so defensive when they're being discussed.
@@HeyDreamerStudio Defensive.. really?
He just has no problem shutting down nonsense from idiots, ie Jim
white.
He acts like they are and always will be a third tier club, Huh? they only keep wining and some how Simon cant accept that
There are only 3 big clubs in England. Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. Thats just the truth of it. Just like in Italy it is Juventus, Internazionale and AC Milan. It takes decades and decades to change that.
You sound like yesterday’s man, a has been who can’t keep up with change. City (apparently) were announced today as the highest brand value in football. Their revenue as Simon points out was the highest the last 2 years. They are UEFAs #1 ranked club.
And you talk about littlepuddle of Europa league fame. Get a grip !
Snuck in Arsenal like we wouldn't notice
City's trophy cabinet still doesn't come close to those 3 and neither does Chelseas. It takes a long long long time to create history, tradition and to grow a customer base. City and Chelsea barely fill their stadiums.
City has a manager that's bigger than the club itself
Same argument could've been applied to Fergie at United
@@rfurms sadly not, United made fergie but pep made city
@@ashwilliams4959 united made Fergie? Nah lad, Fergie made united what they are
@@bluemoon1716 Sir bobby Charlton made United, not Fergie. Fergie built upon Bobby achievement
@@bluemoon1716 you must be 10 with that history lesson
It’s all good being the biggest, but it’s success that’s important. To keep the F1 analogy going, Ferrari haven’t won a championship since 2008. In that time, Red Bull have won 6 drivers and five constructors championships. That’s what matters
Well, as of today City still haven't won a single Champions League, and they have won less than half the league and FA Cup titles that Utd have won. Much less than LFC too. Are you just new to football or something?
I was just about to write similar to you pal.
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot but have they won recently? Compare the two recently. That’s my point
Simons right though, I don't pay attention to f1 but I know ferrari, red bull is a drink.. the world knows ferrari used to be winning everything, but red bull aren't well known for racing yet
@@michaek7438 I know what your point is. It's a silly, irrelevant strawman point. "Winning recently" is not relevant to this discussion. Around a decade ago, Chelsea were winning a lot "recently" (probably more than City today) and it didn't make them anywhere near a "big club"
Why everybody who wants to talk about Man City success in football, comparing them to other clubs previous success??
Jealous Haters n SAD B⭐️tche💲‼️🙄😆
Not only success. They have to fall into relative obscurity then claw their way out if they want to achieve legendary status.
Can’t believe simon had to explain this to jim twice.
“Nobody is buying Man City for 5 billion”. Silverlake bought a 10% stake in City back in 2019 at a $4.8bn valuation. Simon continues to trash City week in week out, the least he could do is get the facts right.
Lmao 😂 probably money given to them by the city owners so they can be seen to have investors
@@TSF15152 The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
5. History lecturing 😂😂
City have also allegations against them of bloated accounting that they would rather tie up in courts than show their innocence
So city's value is 48 million dollas 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 go back to what ever planet you just came from
No, the $4.8b valuation was valuation of City Football Group, not of MCFC
50K SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY FANS at Wembley after 23 Years of hell they have the BEST fans in England
It’s weird how Jim can’t understand what the difference is between a club like Man City who has been very successful over the last decade. And clubs like, united, barcelona, Liverpool, Real Madrid who have been around a lot longer and have a LEGACY. You can’t build a legacy over 10 years. It takes a generation like Simon said.
But when I tell you Manchester city won the fa cup in 1904 you say the club has no history. Unless you're 119 years old stfu
Man City is a way bigger club than United or Liverpool, bigger in character, talent and heart ! Hands down, have to disagree with Simon
See my comment on the root level 11:18 Tue 6th Jun.
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 how am I wrong ? Do Manchester City not have more grit, determination, brotherhood, talent , game intelligence etc.. than Manchester United ?
Please, enlighten me
Why is uniteds history which is hugely dominated by wins in the 90’s/ 2000’s more valid than citys in the 2010’s and 2020’s? They are just a different time frame? I don’t get the difference?
City fan here.....honestly I don't care if we are not considered a big club in rivals eyes
The football we play is honestly so satisfying to my soul that it's more than enough.
same here my friend
You will always have to live with the thought that you did it by cheating
Bet you was saying that when you was supporting Chelsea few years ago
Everything about city is plastic. The stadium doesn't even have any pull towards Man City the club. Disgusting
its all tainted though and you and all the beswick market faithful know it ,you will always be known as corrupt cheats if you think otherwise your deluded
Brilliant analogy 👨🏻🦲👍🏻
Red Bull cheated and received f* all punishment too!
Good omen for the Blue Moon. Not so good for the Red Snails 😁
If Jim White had a Man Utd guest in the studio he'd be spinning a different tale. Simon Jordan we salute you. This guy will tell it straight to anyone's face.
Think what Chelsea have done and won over last 20 years, they are still not considered as big as Liverpool/ Man U
Chelsea was never as dominant as City though.
@@scottslade7468Chelsea dominant era was stronger then the one city are dominating with Barca real Bayern Utd juve all a shadow of what they where then to be fair
@@kismo6167 What dominant era? They never won 3 in a row, never won all 4 trophies in england, never broke all these records that City are breaking, never got a 100 pts with a 100 goals scored. Please Chelsea only had 1 stretch where they were dominant it resulted in them winning back to back leagues other than that all they do is get a bit of success then they regress the next season and then its rebuild mode all over again.
@@scottslade7468 this bigger club argument is a load of crap really. Just something media start mentioning when the season is over and not enough content to fill the shows.
@@timevans6928 definetely a joke fam they just use so the old geezers whos teams are now relegated to fighting for champions league spots and not trophies have something to talk about.
Why is Jim trying so hard to paint Man City as the biggest iconic club in the world. Click bait 😴
Manchester City can't even sell out a 55000 seat stadium yet they have the biggest revenue? 😂😂😂 Do me a favour.
You watch too much tiktok bro
There's a media agenda that you are falling for
Ticket sales doesn’t really impact earning like TV money for CL and FA Cup
@@Muttey2024 you can manipulate them as well by offering corporate tickets at obscene prices and buying the tickets themselves
Well that first claim isn't true, and the amount of prize money City earn from winning trophies contributes to the revenue factor. As well as the fact they always reach the latter stages of the UCL and FA Cup
The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
5. History lecturing 😂😂
Jim asking good questions, Simon's point of views are conflicting vs the reality right now.
You know its a problem whn Pep has to beg supporters to come to the stadium 😩🤣
Let's not forget about that
😘 erica making a whole speech only to lose in the final
Talking about supporters and stadiums why didn’t debt ridden Manus fans stay on Saturday to see them get their losers medals? Why did they all rush to get the tube 🚇 home? Mind the massive gap.
Wrong ?????? Where is man Uniteds highest attendance ever in top flight history???
@@ianrayson9764 Which was achieved by borrowing Citys ground.
If Utd are a Ferrsri they're a Ferrari that's been demolished in a car crash.
Simon - nobody buying City for 6B
Simon - i dont know valuation of City
By Simons admission he hasn't a clue?🤔
He is on one of his hate MC diatribe. Why does he hate the best club in the world. They have beaten everyone yet he talks like it is 2000's still.
its also the same legacy that have people clamoring for their "return" to success despite 10 years without the title
City are decades away from being in the conversation of being the biggest club, the team they play at the weekend are bigger
Wrong United are just poor run and shocking
Man City without Pep.... average club. Man United without Ferguson....still a huge iconic club even if not winning titles.
That's the difference.
The otter big clubs don’t struggle to sell out semi final’s and home games 😂
Man City don’t struggle to sell out Ladd 99 percentage full more than man united this season percent full and we hold the highest attendance at a home ground Maine road Man City v stoke city 84569 but no fans you deluded Ladd
@@ianrayson9764 mate get a grip of yourself. Your could not get a sell out an fa cup semi -final getting less fans than Plymouth vs Bolton in the Papa johns trophy final. Man Utd sell out every week stop talking up rubbish enjoy you cheating rewards until it all unravels
@@ianrayson9764 you once did buy 1 get 1 free for a champions league game embarrassing. If you go to post. Post facts you total fool.
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊💯 Facts
Simon is spot on if Manchester City went on sale no one would buy them because the revenue is fake, Manchester United on the other hand have had two offers over 5 billion which if accepted would mean the biggest sports team sale in history. There is a reason for that which I will let you work out for yourselves.
Simon never said no one would buy City. And they would anyway. Buyers would be falling over themselves. City are the fastest growing "massive club" atm, a commercial dream.
@@garrybaldy327 Then why are they under investigation for hundreds of millions of pounds worth of phony advertising revenue?
Rubbish.....why don't you make them an offer 🤔
The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
7. History lecturing 😂😂
@@garrybaldy327
Speaking straight facts. Why would you buy a club like Utd the stadium is falling down, the toilet flood piss everywhere, and Utd have the worst training facilities in the top 6, and the worst thing that it has over 1 billion debt on top of it.
Buying Utd for 6 billion is the worst investment, you will need to spend another 3 billion to be equal to city.
Buying Man City is anyone’s dream you don’t need to spend any money or fix anything to be at the top. Whilst making a profit every year.
Simon is wrong. City’s revenue is forecast to reach £700m this season. That will be significantly above all other clubs including man united. Can’t get his facts straight unfortunately.
He wont accept that City are Winners, which they are.
They can keep their status as the "biggest club", we'll keep the trophies 👍🏽😂
Until they send you back to conference once all these charges are proved
Absolutely!! 💯🤙😂😂😂😂
@@MrJonnyl123 The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
5. History lecturing 😂😂
@@MrJonnyl123 LMFAO that's actually funny😂 but they ain't happening buddy👍🏽
@@ozy.mandias you are getting relegated to the championship minimum. The prem can’t afford to lose face on this
if you'd buy city you will see your sponsorship money vanish. the fake company money sponsorships won't be there no more
Yep Simons right there..... Legacy does count!! well said that man!!
IF City win the treble, how can they not be regarded as a "Big Club". Neither United or Liverpool have won the treble AND domestic treble, or accumulated 100 points in a season. It's not just about quantity...but quality!
You are right. United or Liverpool didn't CHEAT to win
@@mimikolomamu "Big Clubs" haven't bent the rules before? It's been going on since football originated, mate! Take your head out of the sand.
@@garywallace5602 Ah ha...We got a Man Cheat fan here. He got so worked up about the CHEATING allegations. 115 i believe..
@@mimikolomamu Just 'cos United can no longer compete with City... don't spit your dummy out!
@@garywallace5602 C H E A T Y
They are 1 game away from becoming a big club, also stop repeating the same phrase over and over again, you sound silly.
I’ll take being the smallest club with all the trophies
Artificially enhanced
5:30 City were valued at almost US $5bn in November 2019 when Silver Lake bought their equity stake. Since then there have been three EPL titles, two UCL finals, and hopefully a win to come - and new record revenues confirmed - are you seriously saying they aren't now worth 25% more Simon Jordan? (£5bn = $6.2bn)
It may well be that on paper they are worth 6 billion. But no one will pay that price. Everyone knows that manchester City arent in that price catagori.
if United are sold for 6billions its not unlikely to think that City´s price is half of that
thats city football group, thats 13 teams not just city
All the upset City fans in the comments 🤣🤣🤣.
Will never ever be a bigger "CLUB" than Man Utd.
Moan all you like!
Who said we were, I didn't....still a big club though....to say they're not is nonsense....but you probably know that, if you can't debate properly, then what's the point
@@johngumbar5762 What are you slavering about seriously? Did I say City were not a big club? No i didn't.
Go away clown!
No club in England has won Senior competitive trophies over a wider span of time under our current names, as far back in history from the present date of 2022-2023 than Manchester City. Manchester City won the FA Cup in 1903-1904; Manchester United did it in 1908-1909. We have the longest span of winning currently recognised senior trophies - Fact!
That is indeed one part of the history so many chicken nuggets claim we don't have.
Challenge that as you may, but do check first to avoid embarrassment. Who'll be the first village donkey to dispute this? Come with data. Old folk should know exactly what I speak of.
Red Bull who won the FA Cup in 1904, 1934,1956,1969. League in 1937,1968. Cup Winners Cup in 1970. League Cup in 1970 and 1976. Biggest attendance outside of Wembley.
We don't care about being the biggest, we know that Liverpool, and Man Utd are bigger than us, that's certain! But for as long as we're winning we're happy. They can have the "biggest club in the world" tag, we don't care, the only thing we care about is being the best and right now we are, no debate!
115 charges says there a debate 😅
@@wisped12 Where there's smoke there's usually a fire. You have a manager who's been caught cheating twice. Ones as a player and ones as a manager, and it's only because it happened in Spain where the rules around doping are so weak he got away with it. City also owns the biggest cycling team in the world who goes to Manchester to train. What do you think they train there. Riding in the mountains of Manchester.
You wanna pretend these charges are false and city is being scapegoats. But you know as much as the rest of us your club is dirty like a mofo. 20 years from now all these players are gonna drop like Vialli, but what do you care as long as you win right?
@@wisped12 You do know City have already been charged and paid a fine? And other charges dropped because of time stamps.
There is no innocence in this you idiot 😂😂
United’s value at the moment is 2 billion😆CITY are here to stay playing their wonderful football
As an Arsenal fan, when there is a UTD game on I watch it because I want to see them get beat. I dont feel the same was about City or Chelsea. I feel nothing when I watch them. UTD are still the biggest club in England, because no matter how bad they get, or if you want to see them suffer, you always care about them. You cant buy that.
Twitter says different because every time City win all I see is millions of people crying about it.
That’s because you know City is going to more time than not.
yes felt nothing because arsenal is not relevant anyways.
Simon is is on point,you cannot compare city and utd
Man Utd/Liverpool's stronghold on UK fanbase and worldwide is based on achievements in 70's/80s (Liverpool) and 90's/00's (Man Utd) both made possible by outsourced wealth.
If Man City keep winning and dominating then they will eventually over take. Its simple supply and demand concept. With no actual reason to support a club, most people will choose to watch/support the superior/successful football offered.
More of a level playing field when Liverpool dominated English football.
@@dman9152 It wasn't tho. Liverpool had vastly more investment, than other clubs, and spent it on players other clubs couldn't afford to.
Its actually far more competitive now a days with several clubs spending vast sums on players.
Its not a coincidence that Liverpool's titles stopped when Moore's families wealth was impacted by the lottery and the investment stopped 😂😂.
@@chrismcgregor272 definitely was nottingham forest could get promoted and compete straight away
Liverpool have always been a sell to buy club
Sold keegan ,buy dalglish
Sold rush, buy Beardsley,barnes and Aldridge.
@@dman9152 Liverpool broke British transfer records consistently in the late 70's and through the 80's. You bought Rush back for a record 2.8m. You were backed by a rich benefactor (Moore's family) throughout your most successful period and then when they stopped backing you financially the trophies stopped.
Forest had Brain Clough in charge. Leicester won the PL with Ranieri in charge ffs.
You're talking fairytales. Forest situation was a one off like Leicester situation. Football domination and rich benefactor's has always been hand in hand. Football has never been an equal opportunity sport. The first division and PL have always been competed by teams with wealthy benefactors who invest more than others.
City will never ever take over..👍
Nike aren't necessary the best, but they have the biggest brand power in history
Simon - never satisfied like a selfish lover!
I’ve said it before, 20-30 years down the road? City may indeed become everything they’re striving for.
Right here and now? They’re not there yet.
They have been dominating for the last 5 years, or am I in a alternate universe
@@grsafranthey need to dominate another decade and gain more fans in England/Britain currently spurs has three times more fans than city😂
Spot on Simon
United had more revenue in a season they finished outside the top 4 and won nothing than City did in a season they got to the CL final and won the league. Still miles to go despite all the cheating.
dumb ignorant comment n so full of crap 💩
Go back to school
What have MU done lately. its 2024 right?
Comparing them them to red bull is an insult to red bull!
Simon, if City complete the treble on Saturday, then would that make them a "big club"? Because they've already matched United's three-peat; adding a treble on top of that in the same season would be a historic achievement.
United are the bigger club but I don't think that means City are small
It's not about matching one treble it's about a club as a whole. United have people talking about the Busby babes to this day and many teams after them
City have years to build that and when I say years I mean not in my life time (I'm 34) because beyond the city takeover where is their history? Shaun Goater?
He never said City are small. Do you understand the Ferrari reference?
@@craigjones8615 CITY IS THE TOP DOG NOW!! CRY MORE 😂😂😂
The 7 Chakras of City haters and Rivals :
1. Jealousy
2. Saltiness
3. Fear
4.Tears
5. Pain
6. Excuses
5. History lecturing 😂😂
@@craigjones8615 city’s history is the decade? Do you not get that? If they win the treble, in 25 years football will remember their dominance in the toughest league in the world and them being one of two English clubs in the premier league to win a treble. That sounds like history to me.
In 20 years
Jim “Are city NOW as attractive as Real Madrid when trying to attract players, are they on a level”
Simon “well we need to take into consideration it rains a lot in Manchester”
(You read that in there accents didn’t you 😂)
I don’t know why he’s so bitter, just won’t let city have 5 minutes. It is generational, and the generations are passing. In the 90’s United grew a huge base of glory hunting wet wipes. For the last ten years city have been doing the same. I have been this year alone to Brazil, Portugal, Denmark, Germany and seen lots of city tops, 15/20 years ago they would of been United tops. Things change.
Yes but city has a substantially smaller UK fanbase than spurs hence you can't be in the conversation with man utd, Liverpool or arsenal for a huge loyal uk fanbase, Yes those clubs have lots of foreign fans but not 95% which city has! When city sucess dries up after pep leaves only the loyal uk fanbase will remain with the club not the plastic shipjumpers!
@@mymemories925 city have a smaller fan base than spurs??? Your other points are valid but that’s nonsense. I would put serious money on city having a larger UK fan base than spurs currently. United didn’t have a country wide fan base before dominance, it comes with success, you would NEVER see city shirts on the street 10/20 years ago now it is common place. You don’t need to accept it, but it’s happening.
Simon - Man City were around long before we were purchased!! we are not manufactured. That's rude...
Your success is. The same group as Chelsea and PSG.
@@mattbarker5402 No it isn't - check the amounts spent... The success never arrived on day 1...
Exactly. I miss the days when City was a bit of a banter club. I miss big Shaun Goater.
League one club man city
@@Pitsy eh? manufactured in every sense. 115 charges says so. Have you seen your list of sponsors, almost all of them have your board as their Chairman. you know it, we know it and the rest of the world knows it. You'd be languishing in league 1 now if it wasn't for them. Your entire history is about to be wiped off with an asterix against every trophy you have won. Its ok though because you play good football.
Arsenal fan here, although City are growing (115 FFP breaches considered) they have a long way to go to be considered an icon like Man United to the over 30’s generation at least
You mean over 40, MU don't win why would that attract more fans. It is legacy fans that care about MU
@@grsafran It's only been 10 years since United were good so it's not going to just be over 40's. 😂
Who cares about the size of a club? Honestly its such a dull and interesting topic. I don't support a team because its bigger than another team, its probably the most uninteresting topic in all of football.
Jordans Chicago Bulls are an iconic team even though they are nowhere today. City need the big pots in Europe and not just once, look how Many Liverpool and Real have. Utd dominated the premier league for 2 decades they are still a way from that. If they can go back to back in the CL win another 5 from 6 they will definitely be getting closer there will be a new generation of City fans but Simon is right to surpass those legendary teams will take more than just 10 years of sports washing success
This is probably the only time Simon Jordan was speaking sense and the one and only time I enjoyed watching talk sport while Jordan’s on 😂😂😂😂
"Big Club" discourse is pointless and will never end because there it fundamentally lacks meaning as a term. Completely vibes based and subjective
All i see is a big hater who failed at Crystal Palace
I doubt any city fans care about being considered ’bigger’ if they continue to be the better & more successful team as they have been for the past decade.
exactly like men thinking 2 much about their size
When women don’t really give a f**k
Simon just hates Arabs
I can confirm this makes me laugh as city fan, we literally dont care if you got more fans, we are hardly "small club" that's just an insult to city as that's all they can think of. Loads of city fans in Manchester and globally and we are all chill love the sport with what it brings highs and lows but when ever we hear. O fans in stadium or small club or oil money we just laugh and say go look at you club owners they church goers right? Soo sooo funny. Anyway we gotta treble to win so hate on that yall
Please get Goldbridge and Simon on together.
It's about history, which teams like Manchester United, Liverpool, ranger's, Celtic, real Madrid, Ajax, juventus, Bayern Munich, AC Milan and so on have, Manchester City are building their legacy but for them to be classed in the same breathe as the other clubs they have to have success over decades, not just a period of time, Chelsea was creating their legacy but it's stalled, what happens if the owners decide they have had enough and move on, we talk about the above teams because they have been winners since the 1950s, Manchester City was in the lower leagues whilst these teams was building legacies, so will take some time for them to be looked at in the same way
City are run with a model (CFG) that now means even if sheikh Mansour did decide to walk away they would generate huge interest from potential investors. They have made incredible strides to become one of, if not the most sustainable clubs in world football. City aren't just a club they spearhead a global group and aren't going anywhere anytime soon. This is what has petrified the established elite as their dominance has been and is now proven to be at threat and this is ultimately what they don't like and tried to stall for the last decade. Newcastle fans better be ready because they are coming for you next...
Where is Barca the 2nd biggest club itw
What makes you a big club is all about what you win. Man City are building their brand globally and if things continue like this for the next decade, they'll be well on top.
So why is Liverpool not bigger than United? Football is a business and winning things yes is an aspect of it.
@@geoffreywright9856 Liverpool used to be the outright biggest club in England until Man United went on an insane run of 13 PL titles while Liverpool was in ruins, Utd attracted more supporters home/globally. For 30+ years Liverpool couldn't win a single league title while Utd won 13.
It is on field success that makes a club a big global brand in football, and the elites knows that, that's why they're fighting City to stop them but they can't!
A Big club ? They didn't even fill wembley stadium!
Really who holds the record highest attendance ever at a home game ??? In the top flight history???????? Answer that ????
@Ian Rayson ??? Don't get your point the fact is you didn't fill Wembley at a fa cup final!
Man City aren’t a big club as in my area you don’t see Man City shirts about but you see the clubs Simon is talking about
City don't want to be utd, it's as offensive to us as it is to them.
There are lots of clubs that are called 'big' clubs and lots of reasons used (support base globally, support base locally, wealth, trophies) to justify that status. It's a bit of a nonsensical term to be honest, pissing in the wind comes to mind. Must be a slow day at talkSPORT if this is all they've got to talk about.
Simon is right. Kills the argument of Pep not managing a small club though doesn’t it? Can’t have it both ways.
Basically the argument is always that ManCity is a small club until they start debating Guardiola's achievement and then suddenly ManCity becomes the biggest club
Jim points are weird 😂 city don't have legacy or prestige, they are the best now and building for the future but Man Utd has something to it, first English team to win the CL & the treble, also even as a brand & popularity its not competition, if utd are as good as city, the media, world of football would be even more celebratory & it has that buzz and pull that only utd have thats a fact
Yes they would you are wrong Simon
Its like it needed explanation 😂
i'm a City fan but people need to stop getting carried away, we are still growing as a club from the top to the fans, but as much as i don't agree with Simon Jordan very often there are clubs who have a long heritage and European history, but if we do win a Champions League and carry on as one of the top premier league teams we do move up a notch, this is what you need to do to do for your worldwide fanbase to grow and to be talked about with these serial history makers, we are currently in that conversation in the premier league but still need to step it up that bit more to get closer to the very best
As an Arsenal fan, I will never accept City that is bigger than United.
I agree with Simon. If one of the legacy clubs were having this level of success they'd be making much more money from it. That is proof that the image of the club is not quite there.
Simon is right. If both Man City and Man Utd were made available for the same price most people would buy United
With Pep and company. I don't think so.
"This is what it feels to be small. You signed phill Jones, and we signed kun Aguero"
Ronaldo turned you down to sign for utd.
Forever in our shadow GGMU!
Utd fans conveniently forgetting that City were the first Manchester club to win a trophy. FA Cup 1904.
City fan here. Simon is right here. What he's talking about takes time and more success
You sound like a bitter Liverpool or United fan
Come back when you win 20 leagues or 6 champions leagues and then we'll have a discussion.
The salt in Simon Jordan is epic 😩🤣🤣
What about the brand city’s brand is worth 1.51 billion most in world football
Hey there, we here at MU don't care about what a teams brand is worth, or winning either !
er....as F1 fans , its more like Red Bull to Mercedes
"Colours right"? Red Bull doesn't have blue colour in their logo.
There's a simple way to answer this debate of iconography.... which club has the most fans around the world?
That's not what iconography means. Man City's iconography stops with their logo.
If Man City are Red Bull then Spurs are presumably Panda Pops.