Choosing the right Bricks for building your Pizza Oven

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  • Опубликовано: 12 май 2020
  • Why not build a pizza oven using pressed red bricks? We went full nerd on the question, building a test rig to show the effects thermal shock on different bricks. Learn more: thefirebrickco.com
    Our custom Thermal Shock Test Rig is effectively a gas heated furnace with a series of pneumatic actuators, controlled by an Arduino Uno. The idea is pretty simple, we know that it's not actually high temperatures that cause pressed bricks to fail, it's repeated cycles of thermal shock - rapid change in temperature from cold to extremely hot.
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  • @gregk8246
    @gregk8246 3 года назад +146

    I just sat through a 15 minute video about bricks for no particular reason and found it one of the more interesting videos I've watched recently. 🤣🤣 good video

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +7

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @JB1052
      @JB1052 3 года назад +3

      Haha, yeah, I wanted to know what fire bricks actually do because I don't really know about them. I sat through this 15 minute because it kept my interest. Still don't know what fire bricks are used for but I know now that the brick can tolerate thermal shock. So, I guess I learned something.

    • @sparkling1one
      @sparkling1one 2 года назад +2

      Me too, loved it

    • @razony
      @razony 2 года назад +2

      Me too.

    • @stevegreen65
      @stevegreen65 2 года назад +2

      Yeah he did a nice job with the test rig too.

  • @ClosetWorkshop
    @ClosetWorkshop 3 года назад +53

    Thumbs up for the sheer amount of effort you have put into this! From building a jig, to writing arduino code to automate this jig and making a clear video explaining all these concepts without bias - Thank you!

  • @galatig
    @galatig Год назад +3

    Congratulatórios , you just went from "I think" or "I was told" to actual real proof, Hats off on your effort and rigurosity.

  • @anthonykinrade8642
    @anthonykinrade8642 3 года назад +35

    This video has given me the confidence to build my domestic pizza oven from the cheaper red pressed bricks and replace them when necessary. Thanks!

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад +10

      Good stuff Anthony! Jump back in here and give us an update in a while to let us know how it's going over the years.

    • @kignacio
      @kignacio 2 года назад +10

      Replace them? You mean rebuild your entire oven right? I’m all for using red brick for an oven but replacing means rebuilding to me.

    • @anthonykinrade8642
      @anthonykinrade8642 2 года назад

      Yes, exactly what I meant! Rebuild it when required.

    • @kignacio
      @kignacio 2 года назад +2

      @@anthonykinrade8642 I would think it would last a generation. Leave the door on while cooling and it would take 2 or 3 days to fully cool. Same with heating, heat it up from morning until night or vice versa.

    • @DormantIdeasNIQ
      @DormantIdeasNIQ 2 года назад

      That's short minded if not stOOpid... enjoy the redbrick crunch on your pizzas.

  • @shaunramadan9515
    @shaunramadan9515 2 года назад +5

    Never been so interested in wood fire ovens now,… the bricks, the temperature, the pre cast vs brick decision, and even cooking times amaze me. Great content. Now I just got to save up for one!

  • @razony
    @razony 2 года назад

    Straight forward, to the point and honest. Very few can pull this off. Thanks, my friend.

  • @joec8915
    @joec8915 Год назад +6

    Great video. This actually makes me feel better about using regular old red bricks in my outdoor pizza oven. Mainly because it’s temporary and will only be used a few times. If I’m to build a permanent one definitely going with the fire bricks.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад +2

      This is exactly the intent behind this video - glad to hear it was helpful!

  • @quantumofconscience6538
    @quantumofconscience6538 23 дня назад +1

    The old Russian stoves used for hundreds of years in the coldest parts of Russia were composed of 500 to 800 red bricks with (white) plaster over top many of them. They simply didn't have firebricks until a few decades ago and probably still don't use them in "remote Siberia." The reason these ovens lasted for 20 or 30 years is, just like he said, once they were brought up to temperature (say, the first day of October,) they were heated twice a day, every day through the winter, and the bricks were not allowed to "cool down" until, say, June 1. The thermal mass, as a whole, kept way above room temperature. I'm sure they had to do some minor repairs on the firebox every five or 10 years, but not on the rest of the brick stove.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  10 дней назад

      Spot on - and they would have heated them up fairly slowly too, to avoid thermal shock at the beginning of the cycle. If you used them that way the vast bulk of that construction would last for a very long time, but eventually the brick in the firebox would need to be replaced.

  • @Stevef2234
    @Stevef2234 2 года назад +2

    Respect for this mans building potential. Such an awesome rig. Dont forget the steel going in and out of that oven. Another modern marvel. Thanks for putting together this video.

  • @macbaar
    @macbaar 3 года назад +23

    Thank you now I know about thermal shock and bricks... 🤓🤓😢🤓🤓🤗🇨🇭 👍👍👍👍

  • @georgesantis1078
    @georgesantis1078 2 года назад +2

    At last someone who knows what they are talking about. Great video.

  • @TheGebrano
    @TheGebrano 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the info. I am just about to start my oven so this will be so useful. Much appreciated.

  • @Grandwich
    @Grandwich 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this information. I have wanted to build a brick oven for quite some time and any new information I find is very helpful. Thanks again! Very much appreciated information! 💞

  • @petematthews7303
    @petematthews7303 3 года назад +6

    Awesome content. I just viewed a video recently about building a pizza oven using the pressed red bricks. A lot of the comments mentioned that these bricks would explode if used in this way. Your demonstration was good to see, so that I would feel more comfortable knowing the bricks won't explode during use but develop cracks over time. I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation!

  • @markhisted3320
    @markhisted3320 3 года назад +2

    Love the test rig ..... well done 👍

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +1

      It was SO much fun to build. Definitely want to play around with more of that kind of thing when we get some more time...

  • @ToddAndelin
    @ToddAndelin 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this video and explanation!

  • @floyd-head
    @floyd-head 4 месяца назад

    Coolest test tig.. tests done very nicely. Enjoyed your full video though watched it without any context. Glad i watched it. Cheers mate. Keep up the good work.❤

  • @ITACHI_UCHIHA11161
    @ITACHI_UCHIHA11161 3 года назад +1

    Thank you so much for your time and expertise to educate us on this.... really appreciate your efforts.
    Thanks

  • @johanmalmberg6838
    @johanmalmberg6838 2 года назад

    Awesome video! Really helpful for my upcoming project. Thanks!

  • @RameshNayak-bg3ew
    @RameshNayak-bg3ew 3 года назад

    Thank you. I was making a wood fired oven in the garden and i came across your video. Now i know what is thermal shock and flaking.

  • @buridah328
    @buridah328 3 года назад

    This was very helpful. Thank you.

  • @missyrabbit5250
    @missyrabbit5250 3 года назад

    excellent tutorial. I learned a lot, thank you.

  • @RamkrishanYT
    @RamkrishanYT 3 года назад +2

    Loved the honesty, amazing video

  • @SG-pc4sv
    @SG-pc4sv 3 года назад +3

    Great Video, Very informative!

  • @jerebuck
    @jerebuck 2 года назад

    Very useful and instructive. I'm just building a masonry stove and tossing up between fire and pressed brick, I get what you're saying. Excellent presentation by the way, good, clear and down-to-earth: very Oz. Thank you!

  • @hacksaw413
    @hacksaw413 2 года назад

    Thanks for the information

  • @Hecvillanueva
    @Hecvillanueva 3 года назад +2

    Great presentation,you really educated many views on this subject.👍

  • @nathanieljoseph3863
    @nathanieljoseph3863 3 года назад +22

    thorough and concise - good well done. whenever i get around to building an outdoor pizza oven, i think it's safe to say the investment in fire bricks are well worth it. cheers!

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +1

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @nerdgamer6047
      @nerdgamer6047 3 года назад +3

      Ive been looking into making one as well theyre not too much more expensive than a regular brick thankfully unless youre building a really big one and even then you could get away with the structure being clay and the internal cooking part being fire brick

  • @dannydangelo762
    @dannydangelo762 3 года назад

    Excellent video. Great explanation.

  • @martymartinez9410
    @martymartinez9410 2 года назад

    This was very informative and probably will save me some heartache when I finally get around to building that pizza oven. Thanks for making it!

  • @jjhallatt
    @jjhallatt 2 года назад

    Very informative video. Thanks guys.

  • @maheshmehendale9210
    @maheshmehendale9210 2 года назад

    Very nice demonstration , very technical.

  • @jepnidera
    @jepnidera 2 года назад

    as someone interested in making my own pizza oven, this video helped me a lot! Kudos!

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      You are very welcome! Thanks for the encouragement!

  • @Vazmenko
    @Vazmenko 3 года назад

    Excellent video! Thanks

  • @sumbamotor
    @sumbamotor 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the information my Friend

  • @TecOneself
    @TecOneself 3 года назад

    Thank you, I'll put on my list to watch it again.

  • @channelm8044
    @channelm8044 Год назад

    Really thank you for such a quality content with experment.

  • @somejerkbag
    @somejerkbag 9 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, what a well made informative video! Thank you

  • @peterlazos1978
    @peterlazos1978 3 года назад

    That was an eye opener!

  • @ohvnaq
    @ohvnaq 3 года назад +7

    great video! love the amount of nerd in this! you've sold yourself some fire bricks (metaphorically speaking)!

  • @SglTurner
    @SglTurner 3 года назад +1

    Very informative, thank you

  • @yasseribraheem294
    @yasseribraheem294 Год назад

    very important informational video !!! thank you very very much.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад +1

      You're very welcome! Glad you got something out of it!

  • @wasanthikoralage8230
    @wasanthikoralage8230 3 года назад

    Thank you very much.. really nice job.this video helps me lot

  • @karloskardenas2414
    @karloskardenas2414 3 года назад

    Well done brother! 🙏🏻

  • @CC-wq8yz
    @CC-wq8yz 3 года назад

    Excellent video!

  • @djcichlid7746
    @djcichlid7746 2 года назад +1

    Thank you. Very informative! I bought red concrete bricks for my small outdoor oven, i hope it will do ok. And as you said, i will slowly acclimate the hot temperature to them before i cook them pizzas😃

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад +1

      See how you go DJ, feel free to report back here in a few months with how it's all going!

  • @cyrushenry1909
    @cyrushenry1909 4 года назад

    Very informative!! Thanks.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  4 года назад

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @cyrushenry1909
      @cyrushenry1909 4 года назад

      @@TheFireBrickCo If i wanted to build a ghetto version with old red bricks, I was thinking 100 year old reds, I've got a stack of them, plus cash seems to be a bit tight these days with this corona thing, would you guys do just a floor and flue kit? If so, how much? Cheers

  • @rarestgem1021
    @rarestgem1021 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing

  • @kazuhahattori6881
    @kazuhahattori6881 3 года назад

    Well done mate 👍🏻

  • @safetydave720
    @safetydave720 2 года назад

    Excellent. This was very helpful for me to make the right decisions for my design of an oven I am going to build. Btw, lol, I like the sounds in this video.

  • @sustainwind9340
    @sustainwind9340 2 года назад

    Thank you very much for this video

  • @huttjos85
    @huttjos85 3 года назад

    Very informative!

  • @joning82
    @joning82 Год назад +1

    Thanks, very usefull video

  • @agnesolry3362
    @agnesolry3362 3 года назад

    Nice, I was just about to buy the red ones to make my pizza oven. Thanks a lot.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +1

      No problems! It's not that pressed red bricks won't work, they'll just slowly break down over time.

  • @singhA1968
    @singhA1968 3 года назад

    excellent experiment sir,

  • @cusodha1
    @cusodha1 3 года назад +1

    Great jo...very scientific.

  • @terrafornopizzaovens
    @terrafornopizzaovens 3 года назад

    Nice vid Ben. 🍕 Ovens 👍!

  • @JimHensel
    @JimHensel 3 года назад +4

    I built an Alan Scott design (the Bread Builders book) wood-fired oven 10+ years ago. I would guess I have fired it more than 100 times since. The hearth is fire brick but the dome and end walls are used red brick (probably 80-100 year old brick). I take 3 1/2 hours to fire to 800F 1" below the hearth or dome surface), cook the pizzas over the next hour and then it takes 24 hours to cool back to ambient. I have not had any spalling of the dome or end walls. The red bricks may have cracked, but nothing has fallen on the pizza or the hearth. I wonder if the slower cycle times accounts for the lack of spalling. Also the Alan Scott Design has a cast concrete cap over the dome to hold everything in place.
    I don't know of any pizza oven that cycles as quickly as your test rig. I realize that a 24 hour test would take a long time to complete multiple iterations but your current test seems to not mimic reality.
    A topic I would like to see explored is thermal mass. The Alan Scott design is really a high mass bread oven designed for multiple bakes in succession. Pizza does not need that thermal mass. It just needs high heat on the hearth to cook the bottom and the fire to cook the top. As a consequence of the thermal mass, I use a lot of wood to heat up the oven .

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      Hi Jim - thankyou for the very well thought out response, much appreciated! The test rig was designed not to try to mimic the exact conditions experienced by a brick in a wood fired oven, but to show the effects of thermal shock on different materials.
      Your longer cycle time is definitely going to be protecting the bricks from severe thermal shock - I'd be interested to hear your firing method and whether you build the fire in one location inside the oven, and how that particular area is faring compared to the rest of it.
      Your heat up time at 3.5 hours is fairly long, but it's the cool-down time that has me interested - 24 hours is very short, is that with a door sealing the oven opening? I think that Alan Scott has done a great deal of good for the wood fired oven community, however his design doesn't incorporate much insulation, and focuses on thermal mass. The thing is, you can have BOTH. If you had the same thermal mass that you have in your oven, properly insulated, it should take around 3 days to cool down, and even then it would be well above ambient. Any suggestions of an experiment/video that we could put together around the Thermal Mass topic?

    • @JimHensel
      @JimHensel 3 года назад

      @@TheFireBrickCo My ASD oven has the following features: Hearth is fire brick laying on top of 3 1/2" of reinforced concrete slab that is thermally broken from the slab support walls. Under the concrete is 5 1/2" poured in place perlite/pumice and cement insulation ; Dome is one layer of red bricks with a 3 1/2" poured in place reinforced concrete cap with 6-10" of perlite/pumice insulation over that.
      I start the fire at the door and push it back as the fire progresses so that by the 2 1/2 hour mark it is in the center of the dome (it is actually a barrel vault). At the 3 1/2 hour mark I rake out the embers all over the hearth and let it soak. I keep at least one piece of wood burning during this so that when i push all this to the back, I still have a fire. I add a couple of sticks of wood, at that point, swab the hearth with a wet rag on a stick and probably wait another 20 minute for things to even out. The first pizza is always a flat bread to test the heat (don't want to waste toppings). If it is too hot I wait some more, if not we are good to go. I think Alan Scott thought this oven took 5-6 hours to fire to get enough energy in the mass to cook 4-5 batches of bread.
      i remember being on a forum before he died and he quit the forum due to exasperation with us pizza makers complaining about how long it took to heat up. His point was this is not a pizza oven, it is a bread oven. I think he said something like " if you want a pizza oven, get a 200l barrel, cut the end out, lay it on it side and build a fire". His point was you don't need the same thermal mass for just quick cooking pizzas.
      I leave the door open for cool down. If I close the door (uninsulated) I am sure it wouldn't reach ambient for 48+ hours.
      I buried 5 thermal couples in the masonry at the time of construction so I could learn how quickly it heats up. What I found is that even with my 3 1/2 hour firing, the concrete below the hearth and above the dome was barely 200F and continued to suck heat out of the bricks after I stopped firing. I" from the surface was 800F
      The next one I build will be much less massive - maybe just bricks and some insulation.
      i was hoping you could maybe show how quickly heat builds up (or not) in bricks. Some folks have wanted to used insulation bricks for their oven but miss the point that the retained heat in the bricks is actually helping cook the pizza.
      I do like my hearth size -30" x 40". there is enough room in the back for the fire and room for a couple of Pizzas. It could be shorter than 40" - maybe 30x30 and do the same thing although working closer to the door is less convenient handling of the pizza.
      I have been half tempted to build an oven that is fire brick with an insulated metal dome. Get the hearth hot and then rely on a good fire to radiate the heat off the metal dome to cook the top.
      Enough for now

    • @goranpetrovic2321
      @goranpetrovic2321 2 года назад

      My is build the Same way, except I used the ones with 3 holes in it, filled with mortar. Used for about 2 years to cook pigs and lambs, no crumbling yet. Heart is fire brick

  • @ricardogbravo
    @ricardogbravo 2 года назад +1

    congratulations, a very clear and explanatory video! perfectly clear and very good to learn from those who know, thank you very much, again my sincere congratulations and thanks!!
    Thanks to the advantages of virtuality, I am writing to you from Colombia, I had to thank you for your great pronunciation, for people who have another language as their mother tongue, it is much easier for us to understand when a person pronounces English so well, thank you very much that's why too

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      Oh thankyou Ricardo! My mother would be very pleased to hear that my pronunciation is on point!

  • @michaelblack4993
    @michaelblack4993 4 года назад +3

    Really enjoyed this demonstration. Will you be releasing studies on Brick mortar?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  4 года назад +1

      Hi Michael, it's definitely on the cards! We will be setting the rig up again soon...

    • @SD_Alias
      @SD_Alias 3 года назад

      the right mixture of sand and clay works very well....

  • @joesue3890
    @joesue3890 3 года назад +2

    I like your experiment way, great job👍🇮🇩

  • @chomp54321
    @chomp54321 2 года назад

    In a way, this video alleviates my concern with using regular bricks to build a pizza oven, since I really don't think it would be used for more than 5 or 6 times a year. Thank you for the really helpful information.

  • @ryancarper595
    @ryancarper595 3 года назад +5

    Great video! thanks for doing this - excellent demonstration. Just a question, will covering the front of the bricks with a centimetre or so of fire clay stop this rapid deterioration?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +4

      Good question Ryan - the issue with that will be that the fire clay wouldn't bond permanently to the brick, and would delaminate over time. Otherwise it would definitely make a difference, by reducing the severity of the thermal shock experienced by the brick.

    • @ryancarper595
      @ryancarper595 3 года назад

      @@TheFireBrickCo Good point, didnt think about delamination. Thanks for that :)

  • @BlueJazzBoyNZ
    @BlueJazzBoyNZ 3 года назад

    Excellent Presentation. About a question I didn't know I needed an answer to.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      Hahaha, glad to hear it was helpful!

    • @BlueJazzBoyNZ
      @BlueJazzBoyNZ 3 года назад

      @@TheFireBrickCo Does it also apply to terracotta tiles.
      I suspect Yes.
      Thinking about a Pearlcrete Pizza Oven on top of an insulated j hook rocket stove.

  • @mikehartley2592
    @mikehartley2592 3 года назад +1

    Really informative vid, thanks.
    Is it possible to use the bricks from storage heaters instead of fire bricks in a pizza oven? Could you test them like this to see?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      I'm not certain but I had a feeling that storage heat bricks were very similar to fire bricks?

  • @coopersm2
    @coopersm2 2 года назад +1

    This is perfect! Next (if you guys do this again) should be testing different "species" of fire brick, i.e. refractory cement vs plaster-of-paris mix vs etc.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      Thanks! Great idea!

    • @nikitast7611
      @nikitast7611 Год назад

      Also maybe you could test bricks with different alumina. 30% 40% 50% alumina

  • @hunters36forgingwoodworkin73
    @hunters36forgingwoodworkin73 2 года назад +1

    I used red bricks for my forge and it worked well. It was a cool forge but after a couple uses some the bricks cracked. You probably when to use firebricks when making a forge if you don’t want to make one from a truck rotor, 1/4 or 6-8mm plate. Wield it in the shape of a box tapering down like maybe a 6x6in tapering down to a 4x4in. Or a 8x8in tapering down to a 4x4in. That is 20x20cm tapering down to a 10x10cm. Probably 3 1/2 inches deep or 8xm deep.

  • @Al-ms6me
    @Al-ms6me 3 года назад +2

    EXCELLENT VIDEO

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much!

    • @Al-ms6me
      @Al-ms6me 3 года назад

      @TheMelbourneFireBrickCo
      Do you have any videos on hiw to make fire bricks. Ive watched a few and they all seem to be different and seeing as though youve done testing i thought maybe youd know a good recipe

  • @hazlox
    @hazlox Год назад +1

    Cracking is all about the COE alumina and fire clay have relatively very little movement within their thermal expansion whereas red brick have lots of iron which is less dense and Ferris non- Crystal Inn

  • @boblode9716
    @boblode9716 3 года назад

    Cool Geek

  • @Arthur-kf5wj
    @Arthur-kf5wj 3 года назад +5

    Thanks for the informative video, very cool testing setup! I'm building an oven but am more worried about food safety of the materials, do you know if there are any health concerns for heating standard red brick vs fire bricks to a high temp?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад +1

      Hi Arthur - great question! Our fire bricks are made from fireclay, which is a naturally occurring material with a high level of alumina. I don't believe there would be any difference between a pressed red brick and a fire brick in terms of preparing food on either surface, providing the pressed red brick is unglazed (which would be an issue)

    • @maxgarbani6644
      @maxgarbani6644 Год назад

      @@TheFireBrickCo
      Isn't aluminum bad for our health ?

    • @nikitast7611
      @nikitast7611 Год назад

      @@maxgarbani6644 well it is probably bad if you eat it, but not if it is inside the bricks.

  • @byLokie
    @byLokie 2 года назад

    Nice Demo Mate. I have a Wood fire BBQ (for a better word) which I built from ordinary bricks I had laying around. Its been in service for over 5 years but it only gets used 3 times a year as I have a Normal gas BBQ.
    I had never thought about a house Fire place.I guess they do last a while. I can recall some old Pubs with fires every night. Blood Fire heats up the whole Pub!

  • @MultiTut69
    @MultiTut69 3 года назад

    Great video. Do you use your fire brick for floor also or do you have a recommendation on a floor refractory for a home wood fired oven?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      We definitely use them for the floor - the floor cops thermal shock just as badly as the dome so you want to use the right material there too.

  • @tomnsampgd1
    @tomnsampgd1 3 года назад

    Awesome. Love from India

  • @miningking70
    @miningking70 4 месяца назад

    Well done! Thanks for the video excellent information. P.S. The Higher content of Alumina in the firebrick the better quality the fire brick will be. It's also more expensive the fire brick but will handle more heat!

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  4 месяца назад

      Thanks!! You are correct on both counts - however they will also be more thermally conductive which can be a problem for the oven floor (burning the crust). We find the 38% mark is the sweet spot - high enough for great quality brick, but low enough that they aren't going to burn a pizza the second it hits the oven floor

  • @davidcampbell7209
    @davidcampbell7209 3 года назад

    Your content is why I love RUclips very interesting and informative. Thanks for your time to make these clips.

  • @varmintkong357
    @varmintkong357 2 года назад

    Very interesting video. Just curious, how much better would normal brick hold up in an open fire pit as opposed to an enclosed oven? Thanks

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад +1

      Now THERE is a good question - firepits don't get nearly as hot as a wood fired oven as they're open, so you have fresh, cold air coming in over the bricks cooling them down somewhat. That's for the sides at least. For the base, it's still going to get very hot beneath the fire. The downside of firebricks in that application is that they are porous, so they'll soak up rainwater if left exposed.

  • @archierika-rayne5343
    @archierika-rayne5343 2 месяца назад

    Hi, do you have recommendation on what to use for the mortar? Would bog standard Portland cement do? Cheers

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 месяца назад +1

      Hi, great question! Definitely don't just use normal Portland Cement based mortar - it breaks down at around 350C which you are definitely going to exceed. You'll need to find some Refractory Mortar in your region

  • @XavierPrice
    @XavierPrice 3 года назад +4

    Good to know that my pop up red brick oven won’t explode. Thanks for the informative content.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      No problem 👍

    • @SIFUSAYSRELAX
      @SIFUSAYSRELAX 3 года назад

      Care to share how you built it?

    • @XavierPrice
      @XavierPrice 3 года назад

      @@SIFUSAYSRELAX there’s a yt video search pop up wood fire brick oven

  • @keesjanhoeksema9575
    @keesjanhoeksema9575 3 года назад +2

    You got A nice pizza oven there Mate!
    I think the pizza will be done faster in Your Nerd oven then in A Neapolitan one!
    BTW what are the bricks in Your Nerd Furnace?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад +1

      Hi Kees - haha I think those pizzas would burn instantly! The bricks lining the furnace are an insulating firebrick - very soft and porous but incredible insulators.

  • @MrTomkzn
    @MrTomkzn Год назад

    Thanks so much for this info Ben! I've been scouring the internet for fire bricks in South Africa and they are scarce as well as extremely expensive.
    When using pressed red clay bricks for an oven, should I preferably use refractory cement as mortar?
    I'm thinking that standard cement/mortar will crack and break long before the bricks do.
    And to your knowledge, would clay paving bricks be a better choice than the pressed red bricks?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  11 месяцев назад

      No problems! Without knowing a whole lot about the pavers I couldn't say for sure whether they would be any better than the pressed reds you have available. Definitely use refractory mortar if you can get your hands on some!

  • @financeman07
    @financeman07 Год назад

    Thank you, Thumbs Up!! Would you mind giving me your opinion on what sort of problems I'll encounter if my contracter used the SAKRETE High Heat Mortar with actual "Fire Brick" but instead of just using the mortar underneath the brick, he used it underneath and then made grout lines instead of placing the brick next to each other. Can I use that a my cooking surface? Or do I have either replace the whole thing by putting another layer of fire brick. hope this question make sense

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад

      Hi Yuri - it does make sense; your oven floor has mortar joints in it rather than being firebricks pushed hard against each other. It should pose a huge issue - I would want the mortar to be recessed slightly below the brick surface so that you don't end up getting any into your food though

  • @namelesswarrior4760
    @namelesswarrior4760 3 года назад

    Hi there, I was wondering if you guys stock fire bricks suitable for building a DIY forge? I'm a local in melbourne myself! Thanks

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      We do, but in these crazy days we aren't able to ship them out or have customers visit! Sighs.

  • @robertschulke1596
    @robertschulke1596 Год назад

    Miners use thermal shock to bore in hard rock..A fire is built against the rock face, then when it is hot water is thrown on it. The thermal shock shatters the rock nicely..

  • @shawnconnelly1
    @shawnconnelly1 3 года назад

    Would you say it would be a longer-lasting design to use red brick on the sides of the over and use fire brick where the wood will burn and the platform you will cook the food on? Or would the bricks on the side also have issues the heat change? Fire brick is 3-4 times as expensive which is why many people stay away from it and use red brick and then pavers for the shelves in a tier oven build.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      Unfortunately the bricks on that make up the oven walls will experience a great deal of thermal shock too

  • @superbreastman
    @superbreastman 3 года назад +2

    Really cool physics lesson in practice. Thank you so much for giving a demonstration of the real meaning red bricks are not as strong as fire bricks. I guess 99% of us all thought they could explode ore not handle heat at all ! But that is not the truth :-)

  • @hectordayo8661
    @hectordayo8661 Год назад

    Any idea what kind of bricks 🧱 do we need to used for fire oven?
    Thanks 🙏

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад

      We recommend using fire bricks for a wood fired oven, as you'll see in the video 😊

  • @mike65120
    @mike65120 3 года назад

    So, you ran your test through 240 cycles. And as you mention, in fireplaces the spalling is in the hottest areas, not on the surface of all the bricks. I'm assuming this would be the same in a pizza/bread oven - so in the dome directly above the fire and the floor directly below it. Less spalling (maybe) in and above the actual cooking area. My concern has always been about the comments saying "regular" bricks will explode. You say that's not gonna happen. If I fired it up a few times per month, regular bricks seem like they ought to last a good while before I have to worry about getting brick dust and bits into my food! Thank you so much for this video!

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      No worries! Just take you firings very slowly - don't use our Fire and Forget method that's for sure!

  • @maxineking5920
    @maxineking5920 2 года назад

    Really very informative, clear and useful. Can't add to comments of Subbu below. Thank you.

  • @robertschulke1596
    @robertschulke1596 Год назад

    Another consideration is that lighter bricks have better insulating qualities. This is important if one is building a furnace for metal casting, pottery, etc.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад +1

      Yep for sure! For a wood fired oven you would want a dense firebrick to store heat in.

  • @mooyee1982
    @mooyee1982 Год назад

    这实验牛批!推荐给了建筑学院的师弟。哈哈哈

  • @timjeanneret5421
    @timjeanneret5421 2 года назад

    I wonder if you may have been too kind on the bricks by testing only a thin sliver, which will heat up very quickly but fairly uniformly. A whole brick exposed to rapid temperature cycling on just one surface would presumably see greater stresses from differential expansion of surface and interior, leading to more spalling of the surface. Did you also test whole bricks? (Great video!)

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      That is a good point right there Tim - We haven't done further testing at this stage but I think you are likely spot on - a full brick would be stone cold in the center while the hot face has reached 300C, leading to much greater thermal stresses. Id say we would actually get bits of brick popping off if we tried it in the test furnace!

  • @dansw0rkshop
    @dansw0rkshop 2 года назад

    What sort of disclaimer do you provide for ovens dropping grit onto the pizza? I've thought of starting a wood fired pizza shop but what if a customer bites into tiny fragments of firebrick?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      That's a good question - it's not something that we have ever heard of happening with one of our ovens thankfully! I'm guessing that most restaurants would need to have some kind of public liability insurance cover?

  • @micka3221
    @micka3221 Год назад

    Not bad mate, not bad at all. Speaking here as a professional lab rat and amateur pizza oven builder.
    I would only do two things different. One I would find some way of not heating your red bricks to dull red at one end and dark at the other. Dull red is, what, 700C? Whereas the other end of the brick is not red at all. So at least 200C temperature differential from one end to the other. That's a pretty big differential setting up internal stresses.
    Perhaps a plate in your furnace so the flame can't impinge directly on the brick?
    Secondly, I would limit the max temperature to around 550-600C.
    Several reasons.
    One: high alumina firebrick is usually weaker at the lower temps than it is at say 1200C Naturally, I can't lay me hands on the appropriate phase diagram right now. (Spewing I didn't pinch a copy of the company refractory manual when I retired.)
    Two: its a fairer test of the capacity of any brick to run it to the temperatures it would actually see in service.
    2 minutes up and down is pretty radical. My oven is made form fired clay pavers - it generally gets 2 hours up, held at pizza temps for a couple hours, then overnight cool off leaving the fire to burn down with the door on it. It has one cracked brick in the arch (cracked right through like I'd sliced it that way) and no visible spalling. It's ten years old.
    Don't get me wrong - firebrick is definitely better, and I 100% agree with your reasons for that.
    Damn, I'd love to get my hands on your test rig. I'd really like to compare homebrew mortar with alumina based mortar/castables and CAC based cements. Because, in a pizza oven, I can't see the alumina based castables ever reaching the 1100C needed to make mullite.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад

      Thankyou Mick! I'm definitely no scientist - I would agree with almost everything you said there; it would be really good to be able to do a longer term test with a slower heat ramping time and cool down time to give a more accurate result.
      On what you said about the differential thermal stresses - I think that's one of the things that fire bricks are designed to handle better than the pressed bricks, so in a way it's a good representation of that. The thermal shock test rigs that I've seen in refractory labs (which are SO DARN COOL) actually take the samples and lower them into a furnace - so the exposed end of the brick experiences a roughly uniform temperature (unlike our furnace with no baffle - that's an excellent idea). However I think even with a baffle we would still set up a significant differential between the hot end of the sample and the opposite end which is secured in the holder, so there would still be a really significant temperature differential in the sample, just across a different section of the brick.
      I reckon I will set up the rig again some day - I have so many things I want to test! But it would be good to set up a better rig - I'm thinking of modifying an electric kiln...

  • @brwi1
    @brwi1 3 года назад +1

    Very informative video. Now I’m wondering where the idea of exploding bricks comes from?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      I'm sure in the right set of circumstances you could make a brick explode (say, a concrete brick that's soaked in water, if you got that really hot, really quickly you might get a steam explosion of some kind)

    • @davidvickers8425
      @davidvickers8425 3 года назад

      River rocks, and cinder blocks will fracture rapidly. River rocks ive seen/heard explode.

  • @MrMusickey
    @MrMusickey 3 года назад +1

    So to prevent red brick flaking, how slowly should it be heated? Would they flake if it was brought to temp over an hour?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      Hi Jasper, to minimise spalling you would probably need to ramp them up over around 5 hours or more - the big bread ovens take several days, sometimes longer to get up to temperature.

  • @musclestonebricksolutions3059
    @musclestonebricksolutions3059 Год назад

    building a oven.bristol blue engineering on outside then insoluton then fire bricks with 30mm of render on.blues ok to use?.

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  Год назад +1

      Hmmm I'll just re-word that to see if I understand you correctly. Firebrick as the hot face, followed by high temperature insulation (50mm of ceramic fibre blanket would be the ideal) then 30mm of render, with the 'bristol blue engineering' brick on the outside? If that's the approach then it sounds good.

  • @tommcquade5213
    @tommcquade5213 3 года назад

    What about the actual slab the pizza sits on what do you recommend. I've seen guys just use a patio stone which seems suspect to me... Unless there's mesh through it?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      We use fire brick tiles for the floor of the pizza oven if that's what you're referring to?

  • @marquiswhitsette3555
    @marquiswhitsette3555 2 года назад

    How did you cut the samples so cleanly? Are they from the same bricks on the table?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  2 года назад

      Good question - diamond blade on a wet cutting brick saw. Yep they were cut from those very same bricks!

  • @woodonfire7406
    @woodonfire7406 3 года назад

    Firebricks, or bricks that's been harden by fire, got it
    . . . What about the binding of the bricks when making an oven? Do I use cement? Or mortar? Or something that's specialized in heat resistant and thermal shock?

    • @TheFireBrickCo
      @TheFireBrickCo  3 года назад

      Hmmm not quite - technically almost all bricks are 'hardened by fire' - a fire brick is made with a very different type of clay to most building bricks. You would need to use refractory mortar to lay the bricks for a wood fired oven - check out our building series for more info