Wonderful video. Excuse me Mr. Sincraian may I say, your English is very well. You have a very unique accent. Whenever you give information I feel like I am listening to wise old weightlifting coach… oh that’s because I am. Haha. As always, thank you for free information. 🙏🏻 Cheers from Chicago - Illinois- U.S.A. ✌🏻
Thanks for posting this. I was going to ask if the pull, bar path, and the corresponding jump backwards can be refined and improved, but you discussed it as I was typing.
hey Gabriel! great analysis! could you make a video regarding the shrug for the snatch and clean? is it part of the 2nd or 3rd pull? should it be consciously cued before using elbows? thank you!
That's a very large jump backwards but somehow manages to catch it and stop the backwards momentum. It would be good if you also included in your analysis a non-maximal lift from the lifter. Does she use that backwards jump always so she expects to catch it while it's moving backwards?
The reason why she lifts weirdly is pretty simple. She's a weak squatter and an even weaker puller/deadlifter. Her clean and jerks illustrate the issue a lot better. "Going on her toes" allows her to use the ankle/foot complex to reduce the amount of force needed from the legs and especially from the hips and back. This is commonplace throughout East Asia, especially in younger athletes who have very little muscle mass. That's the same reason she uses a dynamic start. In order to accelerate the bar with such a weak back in real time, she needs that foot/ankle involvement in the first pull and lean back in the second pull, and the involvement of the foot/ankle complex is why her second pull is so violent after such a slow pull. She's not unique as a world record holder in this category either - Rim Jong Sim lifted her 124kg WR snatch without the heels touching the ground, including in the transition. I don't think lifting from the ball of the foot necessarily makes you lift forward. As weightlifting is a dynamic movement, dynamically managing the alignment of the athlete-barbell system centre of mass over the base of support is what constitutes balance, not static/positional analysis. The centre of pressure can be manipulated but I dare say if you can't manage CoM over BOS with different centres of pressure then you have a hole in your game. If you can manage centre of pressure well then you can lift in lifting shoes or hotel slippers or anything and remain balanced.
Gabriel, good that you raised this one. As a coach, wouldn't you want to correct this as soon as you see it? This is not something she just started doing. I get it, "it just works for her". But isn't this a product of amplifying errors from years and years of neglecting what we consider average/good technique? So my point is basically, what's the point of following standard technique, if we in theory could adapt to any "erroneous" technique? Hell, just keep that shitty crossfit technique and train to the point that you can say "it just works for me and correcting cost too much time", why do we even need a coach lmao. Seems like just an excuse to me.
the difference is what Gabriel touched on, she's already snatching the world record in two different weight classes so it's not worth the risk of changing things up when she doesn't need to lift any heavier. Meanwhile the average lifter w/ "shitty crossfit technique" you mention is snatching less than 50% of the world record in their weight class often precisely because of a particular technique deficiency.
Excuse for what? The main difference is that lifters like Peng Cuiting are an exception and not the rule. Most people need standard "correct" technique guidance because they won't get anywhere doing it randomly but there are exceptions like Peng who is already lifting records with her "incorrect" technique and if there's no problems completely changing it would set her back.
It just seems super weird to bitch on someone’s technique when they are snatching wr weights?! It’s obviously working out quite well for her, so why care if she raises her foot for a split second which you can’t even see I reckon unless you step through it frame by frame?
There are two unconventional things about this athlete: 1. She's taller and longer than what we normally see in Chinese team 2. She pulls differently and jumps back too much which is different in Chinese style which is no jump, just slide feet to the sides. Also the bar path moves back also I imagine these 2 things would not be what the Chinese coaches preferred. ...but she's lifting more than anyone else and she's able to do it consistently...so they might have just let her be.
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One of my favourite lifters at the moment. She just looks like a nerdy schoolgirl but she's snatching more than most normal humans can deadlift.
Fantastic commentary and analysis as always, thank you so much!
My pleasure!
thanks Gabriel, always good content
My pleasure!
Nice analysis. Very insightful!
Thank you kindly!
Wonderful video. Excuse me Mr. Sincraian may I say, your English is very well. You have a very unique accent. Whenever you give information I feel like I am listening to wise old weightlifting coach… oh that’s because I am. Haha. As always, thank you for free information. 🙏🏻
Cheers from
Chicago - Illinois- U.S.A.
✌🏻
Thank you a lot, Gabriel! Instant like.
Thank you too!
Gabriel is always ryt whenever am squatting and I push with the tiptoes I go forward same when am pulling... Very Good analysis
Great commentary!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for posting this. I was going to ask if the pull, bar path, and the corresponding jump backwards can be refined and improved, but you discussed it as I was typing.
hey Gabriel! great analysis! could you make a video regarding the shrug for the snatch and clean? is it part of the 2nd or 3rd pull? should it be consciously cued before using elbows? thank you!
Never shrug. According to some.
That's a very large jump backwards but somehow manages to catch it and stop the backwards momentum. It would be good if you also included in your analysis a non-maximal lift from the lifter. Does she use that backwards jump always so she expects to catch it while it's moving backwards?
I've mentioned this technique ten years ago. The internet experts laughed at me.
why you need the internet approval ?
The reason why she lifts weirdly is pretty simple. She's a weak squatter and an even weaker puller/deadlifter. Her clean and jerks illustrate the issue a lot better.
"Going on her toes" allows her to use the ankle/foot complex to reduce the amount of force needed from the legs and especially from the hips and back. This is commonplace throughout East Asia, especially in younger athletes who have very little muscle mass. That's the same reason she uses a dynamic start.
In order to accelerate the bar with such a weak back in real time, she needs that foot/ankle involvement in the first pull and lean back in the second pull, and the involvement of the foot/ankle complex is why her second pull is so violent after such a slow pull.
She's not unique as a world record holder in this category either - Rim Jong Sim lifted her 124kg WR snatch without the heels touching the ground, including in the transition.
I don't think lifting from the ball of the foot necessarily makes you lift forward. As weightlifting is a dynamic movement, dynamically managing the alignment of the athlete-barbell system centre of mass over the base of support is what constitutes balance, not static/positional analysis. The centre of pressure can be manipulated but I dare say if you can't manage CoM over BOS with different centres of pressure then you have a hole in your game. If you can manage centre of pressure well then you can lift in lifting shoes or hotel slippers or anything and remain balanced.
Ok
Gabriel, good that you raised this one.
As a coach, wouldn't you want to correct this as soon as you see it? This is not something she just started doing. I get it, "it just works for her".
But isn't this a product of amplifying errors from years and years of neglecting what we consider average/good technique?
So my point is basically, what's the point of following standard technique, if we in theory could adapt to any "erroneous" technique? Hell, just keep that shitty crossfit technique and train to the point that you can say "it just works for me and correcting cost too much time", why do we even need a coach lmao. Seems like just an excuse to me.
the difference is what Gabriel touched on, she's already snatching the world record in two different weight classes so it's not worth the risk of changing things up when she doesn't need to lift any heavier. Meanwhile the average lifter w/ "shitty crossfit technique" you mention is snatching less than 50% of the world record in their weight class often precisely because of a particular technique deficiency.
Excuse for what?
The main difference is that lifters like Peng Cuiting are an exception and not the rule. Most people need standard "correct" technique guidance because they won't get anywhere doing it randomly but there are exceptions like Peng who is already lifting records with her "incorrect" technique and if there's no problems completely changing it would set her back.
It just seems super weird to bitch on someone’s technique when they are snatching wr weights?! It’s obviously working out quite well for her, so why care if she raises her foot for a split second which you can’t even see I reckon unless you step through it frame by frame?
There are two unconventional things about this athlete:
1. She's taller and longer than what we normally see in Chinese team
2. She pulls differently and jumps back too much which is different in Chinese style which is no jump, just slide feet to the sides. Also the bar path moves back also
I imagine these 2 things would not be what the Chinese coaches preferred.
...but she's lifting more than anyone else and she's able to do it consistently...so they might have just let her be.