The End Game Scenario for the Empire is called "Summon The Elector Counts" It's just several full stacks of Karl Franz Prince and Emperor spawning across the whole map.
@@zondor8123 A sudden 12 full stacks to the Empire-1 per Elector-would be a kind of hell, it's true. Gods, that reminds me too much of the Last Stand and Garrison Scripts for Third Age Total War.
This is a great addition, one of the biggest issues with mortal empires was the lack of endgame content, this ensures that not only will the endgame become a lot more interesting, but potentially unique for each race, whoever is fronting these ideas at CA deserves a raise.
The very one we're going to look forward to is the Vermintide. And the Ubersreik settlement will be the only thing in the Empire still standing thanks to the Red Moon Inn
@Thisis Gettinboring Obviously. Last time The Empire fought the Skaven openly, they sent ninja ratmen to kill Emperor Mandred Skavenslayer and thus they employ the urban legend cover story to be better safe than sorry. And yes I know you're going to roleplay as the ignorant man of the Empire so I will play along with you.
I was hoping to see a Lizardmen endgame scenario along the lines of "Enacting the Great Plan" where they could all auto confederate and start having stacks of dinos start pouring out of/start spawning at the Lustrian border.
@@Mr_Spaghetti They'd probably add something to dictate who they go to war with, but make it a bit extreme. Along the lines of, any faction not at war with all chaos aligned factions and Skaven will also have war declared on them.
These end game events add So Much replay value! Especially when we can customize what turn they occur. Keep adding more scenarios CA! I'd love a vampire coast or dark elf scenario.
Vampire coast end game could be really cool. Just imagine on all the major ports of the world spawn a lot of pirate ships. And luthor ai gets his mind in one piece. Hell they could just name the end game scenario "One Piece" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A really great addition. The more we can customize our scenarios the more replayability we will end up with. Which is saying a lot considering how much replay value there already is.
Another great End Game Scenario for the Skaven for a future update, “Vermintide”. Every Skaven Settlement, Lord and Undercity that has not yet been discovered or dealt with will continue to spawn full stacks of Skaven Armies to attack EVERY faction.
They would have to, Skaven overrunning the Warhammer world has long been a growing threat for almost as long as Warhammer has been around. It will be sick Plus it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a Dorf end game crisis 😂
I was thinking a way to do the vermintide is get every single settlement undercities and script for the ai can only build the vermintide building, or if ca is feeling horrible and gives the undercities to ikit just blow them up
The endgame scenarios are probably what I like the most about Immortal Empires. There are so many possibilities, so many different combinations of events, it'll really keep the game fresh for years upon years.
True. In the last game, after you reached a certain strenght, you just steam rolled everything and the game become boring. Not a surprise that if you look at achievements you get on steam for finishing long games. You can see that usually less than 2% of the total player count ever done it.
"The End Times" Ultimate Chaos Endgame is gonna be lit. Armies swarming from Chaos Wastes and Daemons uniting to bring the Old World's doom is gonna be truly a nightmare mode. Can't wait!
This is it. It got boring to only fight Chaos Warriors of the past - but legions of all 4 daemons and then undivided daemons THEN the new Warriors of Chaos, THEN Beastmen and Norsca THEN Skaven (hopefully) at the same time...creaming my knickers.
This was a good idea CA, well done. Also, I appreciate that you gave us so much control over the system. Anytime you let players customize their experience to that degree is definitely appreciated. I'm having a blast with the game right now, it feels good to have everyone together under one very big roof 😀.
In addition to those endgame scenarios I would love Invasion Events, smaller invasion that would occure depending on some campaign condition, let's say a non lizard faction hold most of lustria then there is a big chance for a rise of the lizardmen. If the lizardmen control Lustria and you are the lizardmen then it's more likelly to be a conquista of Empire and Bretonians faction comming to settle in the gold filled land of the Lustria Having a smal dark elf fleet of 2-3 army spawn at sea close to the empire and starting pillaging my shores as the empire if I get too big too fast maybe
That is a very good idea but all good ideas will boil down to the same issue...The campaign aspect of managing economy/armies doesnt support these ideas because It is easy to become ultra rich and you will just autoresolve anything after first 25-40 turns....whatever "good events" they come up with, will not add challenge...they will be easy to deal with and will become an annoyance because at the end of the day, you are rich with unstoppable armies and all you have to do is push end turn, get to the spawning armies and autoresolve. Which is why everytime they trie to do something like that people complain about "magic spawns".
@@dimel1347 I see what you mean, that's why I play with mod to have unit cap (it solve that problem greatly as you need more millitary buildings to get more elit units) And event at turn 30 / 50 or every 25 turn would make the game more chalenging as you may have super strong armies but you still need to defend your empire from all sides
@@dimel1347 i think that the problem would be mitigated somewhat if they spawn far away and slowly make their way to the are where they are supposed to be like conquista spawning in the old world or lizardmen spawning far to the western edges of lustria
Love how it's not only Chaos invasion now. I love how I can leave a bigger selection of events on so I don't know ahead of time which one of them is going to trigger. And the fact that you're planning to add more events just makes it even better. Thank you, CA. This is gonna be the best Total War game so far!
@@kp-legacy-5477 I think the chaos invasion is always here or maybe it's just all the deamons factions + the reworked warriors of chaos who makes the chaos invasion (they will add a chaos secanario anyway, but probably more interesting than the one of warhamemer 1 and 2)
Great thinking! What really is going to happen: A single army of Oversized Rats armed to the teeth is going through an endgame scenario in a single turn with Ambush stance... Some other ideas for End game scenarios: THE Vermintide. All skaven Unite under the strongest faction and spawn armies... Enact the Plan; All Lizardmen Unite, get the final Level of geomantic web and spawn armies. Return to glory of Aenarion: High Elves Unite and go berserk. Witch King's Revenge: Dark Elves unite and go berserk. Begin the Age Of Sigmar: Empire summons all the Elector counts and finally answers The Nation's Call. Anything would go well to be honest.
The wood elves scenario seems like true hell. Imo wood elves are the most annoying enemy to fight and now they give them double ammo? Yeah, I am not gonna chose that scenario any time soon.
I think they still trigger in multiplayer but you can’t customize when/what event happens. At least that’s what i read online. Me and my buddy are still only at turn 60 in our campaign so we’ll see
@@pimpdaddyg2081 We had the black pyramid at 110, and the Wild hunt is coming at 120. 3 player campaign, Tomb Kings, Wood elf and Vampire count, maybe you have to play the specific faction to trigger the scenario
Nice! I hope they take a look at what other games (hem Stellaris!) are doing to give life to their campaigns. Late game, but also mid game and early game events could give life to the game. For example, upon taking the black pyramid, an event (selected at random among severals) would happen (including the big tomb king invasion). Basically, adding some scenario into it. The ogres could unite under a khan, the bretonnians could launch a crusade against one of your cities etc...
We really need a Vermitide / Skaven end game scenario, especially when Skavenblight gets a proper faction update. It's one of the classics with Skaven overrunning every city. If I had to add one more, maybe the Ogres and something related to the Great Maw.
The Black Pyramid scenario seems super fun and difficult. Depending on who you are, you would have to cut through hordes of fully stacked tomb kings and fight to the mid/bottom right of the world map (Good luck Malekith) and then successfully capture the black Pyramid. Wow! seems like a worthy endeavor and definitely adds replay value.
I think the Black Pyramid scenario should be Nagash awakening to take over the world instead of whichever undead AI happens to be controlling it at the time.
While I'm not a fan of the End Times narrative as-is, having it play out systematically as an optional surmountable threat would be awesome. The Breaking of the Great Vortex, the Vermintide erupting from the ground, a Storm of Chaos coming from the North, the Return of Nagash, etc. It could make for some interesting faction allegiances if such parameters weren't hardwired in, as an option.
each faction should have an endgame scenario. Imagine the Vermin Tide, the Chaos Lords apocalypse, To Hell or High water vampire Coast, the Elector Counts unite to one goal, the Beastmen's Rampage, the Lizardmen's start of the Great Plan, the Dark elves world domination, High elves world conquest, Grand Cathay's expansion of the Great Bastion, Norscans' Great March, Kislev's Winter is coming, so many possibilities also the chaos that will ensue if all of them are activated at once
It would be really cool to have the ability as turns go on to be tempted to accept gifts from chaos that start to taint your Empire. Over time it effects your diplomatic relations and unit options s as you become more corrupted.
Well there's already the occasional event that basically does this, though their effects are rather small and short lived. Would be nice to see bigger dilemmas the further into a campaign you get.
Ideas for some other scenarios Vermintide: works like black pyramid but with skavenblight and also underempire will grow 5 times faster than the usual 10% chance with maxed out building Sigmar reborn: empire unifies instantly under sigmar reborn ( a new super unit ) and they start conquering all the factions that arent higth elves or dwarfs with full stacks of religiously oriented armies The true phonix king : malekith instantly anexes all dark elf factions in nagarond .if any dark elf faction will own shrine of assuruyan ( a province in ulthuan) malekith will become more powerfull than ever by entering the flame of assuryan once more and attempt to conquer the world . If dark elves does not own the shrine malekith will launch a massive invasion of ulthuan untill he takes the shrine or dies Champion of khaine: works like da biggest waagh but for tyrion and he takes the sword of khaine The final stage of the great plan : lizardman attempt to extreminate chaos by landing in norsca with very powerfull armies and get bonuses against chaos + no penalties for atrition
@@spongeyspikes09 lizardman were create as servants or a race named old ones. When the northern chaos gates colapsed which caused chaos to flood and take over what we now know as chaos wastes. Old ones disapered . Lizardman to this day try to follow the last will of the old ones called the great plan
@@spongeyspikes09 depends if you accept the very controversial end times as cannon . They were written poorly and also jerked of to chaos way to much. Great plan seems to include destroying chaos but we dont know if it is the final part or just one of the stages of the plan
@@szymonpinkowski256 ah so fans also don't want to accept it as canon Honestly I do find the prospect of it stupid, especially since if I recall the Skaven softened up everyone for Chaos to chomp all over
One of the best additions to the game. I hope they add individual sliders to the scenarios as well as mutiplayer support. Can't wait for what else ist to come (Nagash rising maybe?)
I can just imagine what skaven end game would be, Vermintides spawning from random and major armies raising from skaven territory based on their factions.
Now with some time behind these, these endgame scenarios have SO much potential for story telling, varied gameplay and variety. They are fine in their current state of “fight a bunch of enemies.” But they can be amazing ways to perpetuate lore, provide quest and even awesome items
My biggest dream in future is that (perhaps even as some kind of paid DLC or expansion pack type deal) we get massive, world map-altering events which occur every 50 turns or so and completely alter the shape of the campaign, building up to the endgame scenario to make a different experience each time. You could get Morrslieb being pulled out of the sky and smashing Lustria, the Black Pyramid opening and spawning Nagash himself, Gelt + Mannfred creating the Auric Bastion, Valten being discovered as the reborn Sigmar and uniting all the realms of men behind a demi-god leader, Grimgor being recognized as the herald of Gork and Mork and leading a Great Waagh into the East... And this is just stuff ripped from the godawful End Times story, imagine what the talents at CA could come up with!
"Where march you, men of Riekland, where carry you halberd and sword... We march to war for our Emperor, and Sigmar our savior and lord... Tomorrow we go to war, to face the hordes of Chaos... Tomorrow we will be buried, in cold graves that await us... And when the fighting is done, and the sun goes down at night... Hear my prayers, save my soul, and take me to Sigmar's Light..." - Reikland soldier's song
CA what you are doing with this Warhammer franchise is simply one (maybe the?) of the best strategy game i've played so far in my life. Thanks a lot for the work done yet and thanks a lot for what will coming next!
I'd imagine if they added a Bretonnia scenario, it'd be that the Brets launch a mega crusade of some kind. That'd be fun to fight against as a Destruction/Chaos/Undead faction!
Dear developers, we are really looking forward to the opportunity to include several crises, as well as the addition of this option for multiplayer! Your loyal fans love you!
I would love to see these scenarios for all factions. Imagine having to deal with hordes of khorne or legions of vampire coast. There is definetely going to be a mod for that if not.
I already see the ultimate End Game Challenge they talked about being the End Times of Warhammer Lore where Undead, Chaos, Skaven, etc. all get powerful instead of just one faction. But this time Sigmar will prevail. For the Empire😆
I heard that there’s a possible scenario where EVERY End Game scenario happens at once. That could be pretty fun to deal with, or at the very least watch the AI go ham on each other.
Kinda surprised there is no Chaos endgame scenario? Or is that just automatically always on? Also, it would be amazing (but maybe impossible) if the world map itself could see changes during an endgame event, like some sort of cataclysm creating ravines, rifts and cracks in the earth, forcing armies to take different paths, or even opening chaos gates from which armies spawn. Or even better, some way for the awesome aesthetic of the Chaos realms to be implemented into the Immortal Empires world map, to bring the final endgame battle to the chaos lords own realms (WITHOUT the minigames, just the visuals of their realms). Basically what im saying is, it would be cool if these endgame scenarios ALSO could add the smaller campaigns objectives, like one scenario for the High Elves where they actually start preforming the great vortex ritual, or one for Kislev where they actually hunt for the great bear god, perhaps releasing it unto the world as a unique enormous 1-unit army. The possibilities..
Pretty sure we‘re going to get a chaos invasion endgame scenario. The reason it‘s not in right now is probably that it will have to come in several flavors (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeench and Slanesh invasions as well as Undivided), which makes it more complex. Plus, I suspect they are planning to add more Chaos LLs (maybe one more in each of the Monogod factions). It makes sense to create an endgame only once all the lords of the faction are in game, so that they don’t have to rework it everytime they add another lord.
Not specialy unit (maybe giant goat riders for the joke) BUT yes Dawi needs a buff. Maybe a special trait only for Tier 3 or higher units who make special armor AGAINST peircing armor (50% Piercing armor reduction) because Dwarfs are the better smith.
@@shiroegenshiken1371 im not in the goat riders team, but not against either My little dream is to get shard dragons, rune guardians and rune golems, some kind of monstrous infantry unit And Doomseekers, slayers with weapons tied to their arms withs chains... you know... little ginger mohawk Kratos unit... it would be a dream coming true and i could die happy after that
Love the thoughts here I hope we keep seeing new stuff for this. Major replayability impact with the first iteration thank you guys for all your hard work
I wonder if they're going to add Nagash as a DLC Lord, and if he brings his own End game scenario. Would be cool to fight the Big Bone Daddy Nagash himself
I want a Polar Warp gates one where, like in ages past, Innumerable armies of chaos spew from the north and south of the map to swarm the world in two crashing waves, Especially gives buildup time as you see them melt everything elae
A High Elf "The sun never sets on the elven empire" end game scenario where are all the Asur factions around the world gain armies and become aggressive all while being led by Sword of Khaine wielding Tyrion would be amazing. Something similar can be done for the Lizardmen. "The Great Plan" where the younger races are either subjugated or purged. Basically following the advise of the ancient races is no longer optional lol.
Sigmar Heldenhammer: "Aye, together. I cannot do this alone; I need my sword-brothers with me. Swear with me, my friends. Swear that everything we do from this day forth will be in service of this vision of a united empire of man."
I can think of a few cool Ebdgame scenario titles Reclaim the Elven colonies - HE Enslave the Immortal World - DE Everything for the Horned Rat -Skaven Eternal Grail Crusade - Breton Inact the Great Plan - Lizardmen
Would be nice if several of these could trigger per playthrough, scaling in difficulty depending on how much time you already spent playing (like in Stellaris). And, of course, we need a Chaos invasion scenario. As I understand, that isn't a thing at the moment? A little strange given Warhammer 3's overall focus on Chaos. I hope it becomes an addition soon.
Because it was the first two games' original scenario, so they've worked on other races first to give Immortal Empires some variety. Besides, there are so many Chaos lords now that a new endgame scenario will require some additional work beyond "Spawn a lot of armies".
@Thisis Gettinboring I’m fairly certain it’s gone in immortal empires because their isn’t anything to adjust a chaos invasion in the settings so they haven’t implemented it yet
I'm not convinced this isn't the case - My current Valkia playthrough is dealing with Da Biggest Waaagh, but I did get a notification that the wild hunt ended at one point, so it is possible that multiple trigger.
@@rebeccaverrall3658 The Wild Hunt one is a generic Wood Elf event that, I think, has been there since Mortal Empires. It's not an endgame scenario, it just triggers the Athel Loren factions to become more aggressive and attack their neighbors for a bit until they stop. I also had that trigger in my current Empire playthrough of Immortal Empires, and it triggered around turn 40, way sooner than any endgame scenario could (I have it set to trigger on turn 100-150). So what you saw likely wasn't an endgame scenario.
Isabella: 'Ello? Nagash: Whatever you do, do not let Vlad leave that province under any circumstance! Isabella: Actually, he just left. He said he was going for a walk. Nagash: NOOOOO!!!
I can already tell that they’re saving the Skaven (a very obvious end game opponent) for a future expansion. Possibly Thanquol/Verminlords? Either way can’t wait to try and fight back the Vermintide one day
Some Changes i would Like for later on: End Game scenario for every faction. The ability (in the menu) to exculde end Game scenarios, where you are Allied with that faction.
Some recommended additional end game scenarios. Also I'd request if you can please include some cutscenes for some of the more major Incursions. Its odd that this big world building event doesn't get some form of major announcement or ingame thematic intro and conclusion. Sort of like what we saw in Medieval 2 cutscenes for its major events and invasions. Heck have that Engagingbear creator do the videos for you. Just toss him a few bucks and he'd probably put together some great videos for ya. - Ogre Migration -Vermintide -Brettonian Crusades -The Great Plan (lizardmen) -The Long war (dark elf vs. High elf) - individual chaos themed invasions lead by the respective chaos lord
Because it was the first two games' original scenario, so they've worked on other races first to give Immortal Empires some variety. Besides, there are so many Chaos lords now that a new endgame scenario will require some additional work beyond "Spawn a lot of armies".
a end game scenario called end times which makes deamons beastmen chaos norsca and skaven all go berserk and ally each other against others would be so majestic. all other factions like vampire counts and empire would have relationship boosts to ally against hordes of chaos.
So what happens if you are playing as the same faction whom triggers the end game scenario? Ex: playing tomb kings for the black pyramid (and you control the pyramid). Do you become the end game scenario?
I hope there will be endgame scenarios for ALL type of factions (including the Empire) in the future. Like the Sword of Khaine for the elves, Crusades for Bretonnia or the Vermintide for Skaven. Empires are immortal, but peace isn't, after all!
I was really excited for these after hearing about them from partnered content creators before IE launched. Sadly, rather than improving my campaign experience, the one end game scenario which I've seen so far has instead caused me to abandon a campaign entirely. The scenario was "A Grudge Too Far" (the dwarf one), and I was expecting it to be a lot like the chaos invasion in TWW2, which I really enjoyed. The pop-up that displays when it begins even mentions that the dwarfs are going to settle every grudge at once, which sounded really cool... But after noticing on the map that some of my allies weren't at war with the dwarfs, I checked the diplomacy menu and was dismayed to realise that the dwarfs had only declared war on me. It would've been bad enough if they'd just prioritised attacking me, as that would still be an example of anti-player-bias, but this is even worse. The way that this has been implemented means that rather than finding it easier to put aside our differences and ally with other factions against a common enemy, as was possible in TWW2, that end game scenario (and presumably the others as well) does the opposite, as it forces diplomatic penalties onto the player. Factions who naturally like the dwarfs (such as the Empire) will not be pleased that the player is fighting them, even though the player has no choice in the matter. At the bare minimum, that scenario should force the dwarfs to break all their treaties with non-dwarf factions. Ideally, they should go to war with all non-dwarf factions. If you think that wouldn't challenge the player enough, then give them more armies and/or more buffs. Don't just make the most obvious example of anti-player-bias that I've seen yet in TW Warhammer. I think IE is amazing, and I was expecting some bugs, as it is only a beta, but I worry that this isn't merely a bug, but an intentional design choice. Hopefully it will get fixed and put my fears to rest.
Its the end game, embrace the nature of it. Its supposed to be campaign ending. I assume you were playing Skaven? To abandon the campaign like you said?
@@jhunt592 I was playing Ghorst, actually, and was having fun befriending Imrik & Cathay, and fighting Chaos. I'm not a particularly skilled player, and even though it was only normal/normal difficulty, I was a long way from getting enough settlements to complete the long campaign victory. However, I had left the end game scenario settings on their defaults when starting my campaign, because I thought they would function like the chaos invasion in TWW2. Due to the game being on normal/normal, and because I was playing Ghorst (who's really strong at the moment), I could surely have defeated the dwarfs if I wanted to. It just felt like a big step backwards, after spending the whole campaign trying to be a friendly necromancer, to have all my allies getting annoyed because I'm fighting someone they like, and unwilling to join the war on my side because the dwarfs were considered the strongest factions (even though Ghorst's zombies are super strong, the game doesn't realise this, so my strength ranking was pretty low).
@@Crazyball18 The end game scenarios are already in the game. The ultimate crisis which launches all of them simultaneously is what's coming in the next update.
I’d love these to turn into mid game crisis and then release some major epic end game stuff with chaos and skaven where there are quest battles and maybe going into the realms of chaos
Reminds me of endgame crises from Stellaris. I love that they're also objective based and not just random armies spawn on the map. makes the map feel more "alive" and interesting. Good job CA. Add 1000 of these :D
I find it strange that the Skaven scenario wasn't done first, considering that they are the race that has to go to war occasionally just because of population density.
My hope is that they did some basic ones first (spawn armies and get a few buffs), and kept the more creative concepts for later because they take more work.
Imagine the mod possibility to vary this scenario How about Balthasar's 'Midas' appocayplse, or CCP-... i mean, Celestial Emperor plans to spread the Yin Yang :)
Like imagine mod scenario A wight people/Anglo-Saxon spread cultist and manipulate like Tzeentch in Grand Cathay. Can turn into any animal even a mighty beasts once manipulate succeed Low rate of military dogs of Wight people and frog of Wight people Beast mod are turn into Wight people
Oh good they are working on adding more. I was greatly disturbed that there was no vermintide yet, but maybe some of them are getting some extra oomph and so will need more time? No chaos anymore ether but considering all the new factions that makes sense
Me: Boy this alliance with the dwarves is awesome. We’ve really worked together a lot. CA: Time for a Grudge Too Far Ok but seriously will the game still pick this scenario even if you have really good relations with the dwarves or the wood elves for example? If so then that’s a major design flaw.
If you plan on being friendly with them, just uncheck them at the start of the campaign. I think the whole point of their end game scenarios is that they go "yolo" and don't care about alliances anymore. I'd imagine playing as that faction would make them not trigger too...but honestly I dunno.
Is it, though?They basically represent the most fanatical elements of each race finally taking hold of the general populace. In the case of Dwarfs this means that every grudge, past present and future, must be avenged, including those perpetrated by their allies. If you want to have a Dwarf-friend campaign you can turn off the endgame scenario.
The End Game Scenario for the Empire is called "Summon The Elector Counts" It's just several full stacks of Karl Franz Prince and Emperor spawning across the whole map.
somebody gonna mod that into a real endgame scenario, watch
Imperialism: Summon the Elector Counts
@@zondor8123 A sudden 12 full stacks to the Empire-1 per Elector-would be a kind of hell, it's true.
Gods, that reminds me too much of the Last Stand and Garrison Scripts for Third Age Total War.
and what if someone make, just for the meme, make all their armys with stacks with 20 units of Karl Franz on Deathclaw
Every game scenario
I like how the dwarf endgame scenario is that they just got tired of everyone's bullshit and decided to go full apeshit
This is a great addition, one of the biggest issues with mortal empires was the lack of endgame content, this ensures that not only will the endgame become a lot more interesting, but potentially unique for each race, whoever is fronting these ideas at CA deserves a raise.
The only thing missing is the function to turn them all on!
@@MrGorgantua you can...
And the best thing is it's optional
@@konradcurze8176 I think he means so they all happen at once
There just taking ideas from stellaris
The very one we're going to look forward to is the Vermintide.
And the Ubersreik settlement will be the only thing in the Empire still standing thanks to the Red Moon Inn
lol I was about to make this exact comment
Ye kinda weird they didn't include, but I think they will be adding new down the line
@Thisis Gettinboring Obviously. Last time The Empire fought the Skaven openly, they sent ninja ratmen to kill Emperor Mandred Skavenslayer and thus they employ the urban legend cover story to be better safe than sorry.
And yes I know you're going to roleplay as the ignorant man of the Empire so I will play along with you.
Can someone please inform the Witchhunters? There is a very foul case of heresy to be dealt with.
@@kevinridder6972 Weren't Witch Hunters infiltrated by Lahmian Sisterhood?
I was hoping to see a Lizardmen endgame scenario along the lines of "Enacting the Great Plan" where they could all auto confederate and start having stacks of dinos start pouring out of/start spawning at the Lustrian border.
if you’re playing any non-chaos faction that one would be tough to shut down, cuz you know they’re kinda in the right
They will probably add that but if not the modders will, so eventually we will have a scenario for every race and more
@@Mr_Spaghetti They'd probably add something to dictate who they go to war with, but make it a bit extreme. Along the lines of, any faction not at war with all chaos aligned factions and Skaven will also have war declared on them.
Why is it called Enacting the Great Plan?
@@spongeyspikes09 the great plan is the name of the Lizardman plan to re establish the rule of the old ones
These end game events add So Much replay value! Especially when we can customize what turn they occur. Keep adding more scenarios CA! I'd love a vampire coast or dark elf scenario.
"I'd love a -vampire coast or- dark elf scenario." Well you could just play WH2
You'd think the vampire coast would have happened with the Vampire Ascension one. But I guess they aren't ready for multi faction events yet.
Full on demon invasions would be fun too
@@ecargfosreya I suspect we'll get a mega chaos invasion once the Norsca Rework comes in
Vampire coast end game could be really cool. Just imagine on all the major ports of the world spawn a lot of pirate ships. And luthor ai gets his mind in one piece. Hell they could just name the end game scenario "One Piece" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A really great addition.
The more we can customize our scenarios the more replayability we will end up with.
Which is saying a lot considering how much replay value there already is.
Another great End Game Scenario for the Skaven for a future update, “Vermintide”. Every Skaven Settlement, Lord and Undercity that has not yet been discovered or dealt with will continue to spawn full stacks of Skaven Armies to attack EVERY faction.
Came to say the same thing, that'd be nuts haha.
They would have to, Skaven overrunning the Warhammer world has long been a growing threat for almost as long as Warhammer has been around. It will be sick
Plus it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a Dorf end game crisis 😂
I was thinking a way to do the vermintide is get every single settlement undercities and script for the ai can only build the vermintide building, or if ca is feeling horrible and gives the undercities to ikit just blow them up
Or something like Asur War of Reclamation.
yeah as someone who got into Warhammer through Vermintide, Skaven’s is the Endgame Scenario i’m most looking forward to
The endgame scenarios are probably what I like the most about Immortal Empires. There are so many possibilities, so many different combinations of events, it'll really keep the game fresh for years upon years.
True.
In the last game, after you reached a certain strenght, you just steam rolled everything and the game become boring.
Not a surprise that if you look at achievements you get on steam for finishing long games.
You can see that usually less than 2% of the total player count ever done it.
Love this. If anyone from CA reads the comments, please please please add the end game scenario customizations to multiplayer campaigns.
They are not there? Are you kidding?
Already in
@@aleksubnet6836 no. no they aren't. they're unavailable in multiplayer campaigns.
Yeah pls add it in the Multiplayer, there we need this challange
Yes there is endgame scenarios in multiplayer, but they’re not customisable yet. Me and a friend got the black pyramid the other day.
"The End Times" Ultimate Chaos Endgame is gonna be lit. Armies swarming from Chaos Wastes and Daemons uniting to bring the Old World's doom is gonna be truly a nightmare mode. Can't wait!
This is it. It got boring to only fight Chaos Warriors of the past - but legions of all 4 daemons and then undivided daemons THEN the new Warriors of Chaos, THEN Beastmen and Norsca THEN Skaven (hopefully) at the same time...creaming my knickers.
So if we kill Mannfred there's a high chance of winning?
This was a good idea CA, well done. Also, I appreciate that you gave us so much control over the system. Anytime you let players customize their experience to that degree is definitely appreciated. I'm having a blast with the game right now, it feels good to have everyone together under one very big roof 😀.
In addition to those endgame scenarios I would love Invasion Events, smaller invasion that would occure depending on some campaign condition, let's say a non lizard faction hold most of lustria then there is a big chance for a rise of the lizardmen. If the lizardmen control Lustria and you are the lizardmen then it's more likelly to be a conquista of Empire and Bretonians faction comming to settle in the gold filled land of the Lustria
Having a smal dark elf fleet of 2-3 army spawn at sea close to the empire and starting pillaging my shores as the empire if I get too big too fast maybe
That is a very good idea but all good ideas will boil down to the same issue...The campaign aspect of managing economy/armies doesnt support these ideas because It is easy to become ultra rich and you will just autoresolve anything after first 25-40 turns....whatever "good events" they come up with, will not add challenge...they will be easy to deal with and will become an annoyance because at the end of the day, you are rich with unstoppable armies and all you have to do is push end turn, get to the spawning armies and autoresolve. Which is why everytime they trie to do something like that people complain about "magic spawns".
@@dimel1347 I see what you mean, that's why I play with mod to have unit cap (it solve that problem greatly as you need more millitary buildings to get more elit units)
And event at turn 30 / 50 or every 25 turn would make the game more chalenging as you may have super strong armies but you still need to defend your empire from all sides
@@dimel1347 i think that the problem would be mitigated somewhat if they spawn far away and slowly make their way to the are where they are supposed to be like conquista spawning in the old world or lizardmen spawning far to the western edges of lustria
"Three things that made The Empire great: Faith, Steel and Gunpowder!" - Magnus the Pious
"You only have one of those things, and not a lot of" - Magnus the Red.
“Empire suck-suck! Yes-yes,” Totally Not a Skaven
The Empire endgame scenario lol
dont forget your mom
When Thanqoul inevitably appears, I bet the Vermintide end game scenario will come with, yes yes
Love how it's not only Chaos invasion now.
I love how I can leave a bigger selection of events on so I don't know ahead of time which one of them is going to trigger.
And the fact that you're planning to add more events just makes it even better.
Thank you, CA. This is gonna be the best Total War game so far!
dont have the chaos invasion at all anymore
For now.
@@kp-legacy-5477 I think the chaos invasion is always here or maybe it's just all the deamons factions + the reworked warriors of chaos who makes the chaos invasion (they will add a chaos secanario anyway, but probably more interesting than the one of warhamemer 1 and 2)
@@warthoggoulags1679 Nope, currently there is no Chaos invasion or endgame scenario. But it will definitely be added back.
@@vahlen5281 I guess you can use the confedaration mod for the warriors of chaos which makes them snowball
We need this for coop please!!
it is?
@@HighRevolver its not qnp
Mods
Great thinking!
What really is going to happen:
A single army of Oversized Rats armed to the teeth is going through an endgame scenario in a single turn with Ambush stance...
Some other ideas for End game scenarios:
THE Vermintide. All skaven Unite under the strongest faction and spawn armies...
Enact the Plan; All Lizardmen Unite, get the final Level of geomantic web and spawn armies.
Return to glory of Aenarion: High Elves Unite and go berserk.
Witch King's Revenge: Dark Elves unite and go berserk.
Begin the Age Of Sigmar: Empire summons all the Elector counts and finally answers The Nation's Call.
Anything would go well to be honest.
The wood elves scenario seems like true hell. Imo wood elves are the most annoying enemy to fight and now they give them double ammo? Yeah, I am not gonna chose that scenario any time soon.
are you ready for the wild hunt, Witcher?!
@@TonightTheMusicSeemsSoLoudd Better have hellstorm batteries to blot out the sun.
want this for the multiplayer !!!
Seconded!
I think they still trigger in multiplayer but you can’t customize when/what event happens. At least that’s what i read online. Me and my buddy are still only at turn 60 in our campaign so we’ll see
@@pimpdaddyg2081 I‘ve been up to turn 200 with a friend in IE and had none
@@AkayaTakeshita damn that sucks to hear
@@pimpdaddyg2081 We had the black pyramid at 110, and the Wild hunt is coming at 120. 3 player campaign, Tomb Kings, Wood elf and Vampire count, maybe you have to play the specific faction to trigger the scenario
Nice! I hope they take a look at what other games (hem Stellaris!) are doing to give life to their campaigns.
Late game, but also mid game and early game events could give life to the game.
For example, upon taking the black pyramid, an event (selected at random among severals) would happen (including the big tomb king invasion).
Basically, adding some scenario into it. The ogres could unite under a khan, the bretonnians could launch a crusade against one of your cities etc...
We really need a Vermitide / Skaven end game scenario, especially when Skavenblight gets a proper faction update. It's one of the classics with Skaven overrunning every city. If I had to add one more, maybe the Ogres and something related to the Great Maw.
The Black Pyramid scenario seems super fun and difficult. Depending on who you are, you would have to cut through hordes of fully stacked tomb kings and fight to the mid/bottom right of the world map (Good luck Malekith) and then successfully capture the black Pyramid. Wow! seems like a worthy endeavor and definitely adds replay value.
I think the Black Pyramid scenario should be Nagash awakening to take over the world instead of whichever undead AI happens to be controlling it at the time.
@@taylorheck3037 ew, age of smegmar character
@@mimir4965 "age of smegmar" Had a minute straight laugh with this one
Thirs reminds me the invasion of the Dread King from Dark Omen... It is forgotten but it is pretty much the same. What fun that it was.
While I'm not a fan of the End Times narrative as-is, having it play out systematically as an optional surmountable threat would be awesome. The Breaking of the Great Vortex, the Vermintide erupting from the ground, a Storm of Chaos coming from the North, the Return of Nagash, etc.
It could make for some interesting faction allegiances if such parameters weren't hardwired in, as an option.
Give us the vermintide
*SIGMAR GUIDES US!*
each faction should have an endgame scenario. Imagine the Vermin Tide, the Chaos Lords apocalypse, To Hell or High water vampire Coast, the Elector Counts unite to one goal, the Beastmen's Rampage, the Lizardmen's start of the Great Plan, the Dark elves world domination, High elves world conquest, Grand Cathay's expansion of the Great Bastion, Norscans' Great March, Kislev's Winter is coming, so many possibilities also the chaos that will ensue if all of them are activated at once
Only some did.
It would be really cool to have the ability as turns go on to be tempted to accept gifts from chaos that start to taint your Empire. Over time it effects your diplomatic relations and unit options s as you become more corrupted.
I experienced this exact opportunity as Empire, though I'm not exactly sure if it was specific to them or not.
Well there's already the occasional event that basically does this, though their effects are rather small and short lived. Would be nice to see bigger dilemmas the further into a campaign you get.
Ideas for some other scenarios
Vermintide: works like black pyramid but with skavenblight and also underempire will grow 5 times faster than the usual 10% chance with maxed out building
Sigmar reborn: empire unifies instantly under sigmar reborn ( a new super unit ) and they start conquering all the factions that arent higth elves or dwarfs with full stacks of religiously oriented armies
The true phonix king : malekith instantly anexes all dark elf factions in nagarond .if any dark elf faction will own shrine of assuruyan ( a province in ulthuan) malekith will become more powerfull than ever by entering the flame of assuryan once more and attempt to conquer the world . If dark elves does not own the shrine malekith will launch a massive invasion of ulthuan untill he takes the shrine or dies
Champion of khaine: works like da biggest waagh but for tyrion and he takes the sword of khaine
The final stage of the great plan : lizardman attempt to extreminate chaos by landing in norsca with very powerfull armies and get bonuses against chaos + no penalties for atrition
I need some lore knowledge, why is the Lizardmen's called the great plan?
@@spongeyspikes09 lizardman were create as servants or a race named old ones. When the northern chaos gates colapsed which caused chaos to flood and take over what we now know as chaos wastes. Old ones disapered . Lizardman to this day try to follow the last will of the old ones called the great plan
@@szymonpinkowski256 okay and what is the great plan of the old ones? Is it a plan to defeat Chaos for good?
@@spongeyspikes09 depends if you accept the very controversial end times as cannon . They were written poorly and also jerked of to chaos way to much. Great plan seems to include destroying chaos but we dont know if it is the final part or just one of the stages of the plan
@@szymonpinkowski256 ah so fans also don't want to accept it as canon
Honestly I do find the prospect of it stupid, especially since if I recall the Skaven softened up everyone for Chaos to chomp all over
BRING THIS TO COOP LIKE BRO WHY IS THIS NEVER IN COOP?
Yeah why do they never put the end game stuff in coop i want to play this with friends like all of us against one big threat
CA lakin
They dont CAre about coop players
@@jero2021 ikr
One of the best additions to the game. I hope they add individual sliders to the scenarios as well as mutiplayer support. Can't wait for what else ist to come (Nagash rising maybe?)
Nagash as end game scenario would be great!
@@badipaddress Defeat it, Unlock Nagash! Lol jk no way you couldn't just pay for it
I can just imagine what skaven end game would be, Vermintides spawning from random and major armies raising from skaven territory based on their factions.
Countless Menace from Below, on a global scale. Even Chaos forces are terrified by that.
Really would like to have the choice to have multiple end game events like this not just one during a campaign
Update 2.1 will add that option
imagine vermintide and chaos and daemons and norsca all going crazy on you true end times campaign
@@ahmedkeremsayar I need ittttt
Now with some time behind these, these endgame scenarios have SO much potential for story telling, varied gameplay and variety. They are fine in their current state of “fight a bunch of enemies.” But they can be amazing ways to perpetuate lore, provide quest and even awesome items
My biggest dream in future is that (perhaps even as some kind of paid DLC or expansion pack type deal) we get massive, world map-altering events which occur every 50 turns or so and completely alter the shape of the campaign, building up to the endgame scenario to make a different experience each time.
You could get Morrslieb being pulled out of the sky and smashing Lustria, the Black Pyramid opening and spawning Nagash himself, Gelt + Mannfred creating the Auric Bastion, Valten being discovered as the reborn Sigmar and uniting all the realms of men behind a demi-god leader, Grimgor being recognized as the herald of Gork and Mork and leading a Great Waagh into the East...
And this is just stuff ripped from the godawful End Times story, imagine what the talents at CA could come up with!
"From a mild thorn in your side to a fully fledged Lego in your heel"
Can u please add this to co-op!
"Where march you, men of Riekland, where carry you halberd and sword... We march to war for our Emperor, and Sigmar our savior and lord... Tomorrow we go to war, to face the hordes of Chaos... Tomorrow we will be buried, in cold graves that await us... And when the fighting is done, and the sun goes down at night... Hear my prayers, save my soul, and take me to Sigmar's Light..." - Reikland soldier's song
CA what you are doing with this Warhammer franchise is simply one (maybe the?) of the best strategy game i've played so far in my life. Thanks a lot for the work done yet and thanks a lot for what will coming next!
Best Game Series ever, you Guys always nail it with your Trailers. Love this Game
The vermintide!!! Truly an amazing work you guys are doing with tww3. I'm having a blast with this game
I’ve long to see a Bretonian Endgame scenario where all the peasants had enough of all the feudal nonsenses.
*A plow no more*
I'd imagine if they added a Bretonnia scenario, it'd be that the Brets launch a mega crusade of some kind. That'd be fun to fight against as a Destruction/Chaos/Undead faction!
@@rjstram but what if you're playing as a non undead/destruction/chaos faction like the Empire, Dwarfs etc
If Godzilla doesn't climb out of the sea and say it's Morbin time, I don't want to buy the game...
I await that day indeed
Can’t wait for this in multiplayer
Dear developers, we are really looking forward to the opportunity to include several crises, as well as the addition of this option for multiplayer! Your loyal fans love you!
Multi-player has it already.
@@Grifthin And how to enable scenarios in multiplayer?
@@CallOfWarhammer764 i havent seen this option anywhere
@@CallOfWarhammer764 They are all enabled by default
I love these! I hope a Skaventide event is added in the future!
Nice to see effort put back into the tw series. Looking forward to this when I finish work tonight !
I would love to see these scenarios for all factions. Imagine having to deal with hordes of khorne or legions of vampire coast. There is definetely going to be a mod for that if not.
I wonder if they’ll add in a Bretonnia endgame called Errantry War, where countless armies of knights ride out to do glorious battle.
"Return of the Lady" Their goddess returns, inspiring the crusade to end all crusades
I love that idea! I really hope they do this.
More end game scenarios in future!? YES!!
I already see the ultimate End Game Challenge they talked about being the End Times of Warhammer Lore where Undead, Chaos, Skaven, etc. all get powerful instead of just one faction. But this time Sigmar will prevail. For the Empire😆
I heard that there’s a possible scenario where EVERY End Game scenario happens at once. That could be pretty fun to deal with, or at the very least watch the AI go ham on each other.
In greenskins scenario I expected the line “to counter violence with ultraviolence”. It would be quite thematic.
Kinda surprised there is no Chaos endgame scenario? Or is that just automatically always on?
Also, it would be amazing (but maybe impossible) if the world map itself could see changes during an endgame event, like some sort of cataclysm creating ravines, rifts and cracks in the earth, forcing armies to take different paths, or even opening chaos gates from which armies spawn.
Or even better, some way for the awesome aesthetic of the Chaos realms to be implemented into the Immortal Empires world map, to bring the final endgame battle to the chaos lords own realms (WITHOUT the minigames, just the visuals of their realms).
Basically what im saying is, it would be cool if these endgame scenarios ALSO could add the smaller campaigns objectives, like one scenario for the High Elves where they actually start preforming the great vortex ritual, or one for Kislev where they actually hunt for the great bear god, perhaps releasing it unto the world as a unique enormous 1-unit army.
The possibilities..
but still would be good have a chaos incursion end game scenario
AND we need new mechanics and units for dwarfs
Pretty sure we‘re going to get a chaos invasion endgame scenario. The reason it‘s not in right now is probably that it will have to come in several flavors (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeench and Slanesh invasions as well as Undivided), which makes it more complex.
Plus, I suspect they are planning to add more Chaos LLs (maybe one more in each of the Monogod factions). It makes sense to create an endgame only once all the lords of the faction are in game, so that they don’t have to rework it everytime they add another lord.
Not specialy unit (maybe giant goat riders for the joke) BUT yes Dawi needs a buff.
Maybe a special trait only for Tier 3 or higher units who make special armor AGAINST peircing armor (50% Piercing armor reduction) because Dwarfs are the better smith.
@@meanfan6963 thats make a lot of sense...
good idea friend
@@shiroegenshiken1371 im not in the goat riders team, but not against either
My little dream is to get shard dragons, rune guardians and rune golems, some kind of monstrous infantry unit
And Doomseekers, slayers with weapons tied to their arms withs chains... you know... little ginger mohawk Kratos unit... it would be a dream coming true and i could die happy after that
@@shiroegenshiken1371 that armour extra ward would be good too
Love the thoughts here I hope we keep seeing new stuff for this. Major replayability impact with the first iteration thank you guys for all your hard work
We already know the lore centric endgame is definitely the end times, Chaos vs Everyone!!
THE BEASTMEN " NOT A PROBLEM WE CAN HANDLE THIS RIGHT GUYS!!! "
I wonder if they're going to add Nagash as a DLC Lord, and if he brings his own End game scenario.
Would be cool to fight the Big Bone Daddy Nagash himself
The Black Pyramid is basically just a Nagash endgame scenario without Nagash in-game to lead it yet.
I want a Polar Warp gates one where, like in ages past, Innumerable armies of chaos spew from the north and south of the map to swarm the world in two crashing waves, Especially gives buildup time as you see them melt everything elae
PLEASE allow this for multiplayer!
I really think CA has been listening to the community and trying to fix issues with the game and I have to say I very much appreciate it
Great stuff. Ogres trying to eat the world definitely needs to be one of these in a future version!
A High Elf "The sun never sets on the elven empire" end game scenario where are all the Asur factions around the world gain armies and become aggressive all while being led by Sword of Khaine wielding Tyrion would be amazing. Something similar can be done for the Lizardmen. "The Great Plan" where the younger races are either subjugated or purged.
Basically following the advise of the ancient races is no longer optional lol.
I think a End Game for the Dark Elves trying to invade Ulthuan in mass could make for an awesome and thematic High Elf campaign.
Sigmar Heldenhammer: "Aye, together. I cannot do this alone; I need my sword-brothers with me. Swear with me, my friends. Swear that everything we do from this day forth will be in service of this vision of a united empire of man."
I can think of a few cool Ebdgame scenario titles
Reclaim the Elven colonies - HE
Enslave the Immortal World - DE
Everything for the Horned Rat -Skaven
Eternal Grail Crusade - Breton
Inact the Great Plan - Lizardmen
Would be nice if several of these could trigger per playthrough, scaling in difficulty depending on how much time you already spent playing (like in Stellaris). And, of course, we need a Chaos invasion scenario. As I understand, that isn't a thing at the moment? A little strange given Warhammer 3's overall focus on Chaos. I hope it becomes an addition soon.
Because it was the first two games' original scenario, so they've worked on other races first to give Immortal Empires some variety. Besides, there are so many Chaos lords now that a new endgame scenario will require some additional work beyond "Spawn a lot of armies".
@Thisis Gettinboring I’m fairly certain it’s gone in immortal empires because their isn’t anything to adjust a chaos invasion in the settings so they haven’t implemented it yet
I'm not convinced this isn't the case - My current Valkia playthrough is dealing with Da Biggest Waaagh, but I did get a notification that the wild hunt ended at one point, so it is possible that multiple trigger.
@@rebeccaverrall3658 The Wild Hunt one is a generic Wood Elf event that, I think, has been there since Mortal Empires. It's not an endgame scenario, it just triggers the Athel Loren factions to become more aggressive and attack their neighbors for a bit until they stop. I also had that trigger in my current Empire playthrough of Immortal Empires, and it triggered around turn 40, way sooner than any endgame scenario could (I have it set to trigger on turn 100-150). So what you saw likely wasn't an endgame scenario.
Those look great! Would love a demon invasion endgame scenario where chaos portals (like in the roc campaign) spawn and need to be closed
Vlad von Carstein asked the men of The Empire how is their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
Isabella: 'Ello?
Nagash: Whatever you do, do not let Vlad leave that province under any circumstance!
Isabella: Actually, he just left. He said he was going for a walk.
Nagash: NOOOOO!!!
I can already tell that they’re saving the Skaven (a very obvious end game opponent) for a future expansion. Possibly Thanquol/Verminlords? Either way can’t wait to try and fight back the Vermintide one day
It would be great if i had options for this in coop.
Yeah they really should
Some Changes i would Like for later on:
End Game scenario for every faction. The ability (in the menu) to exculde end Game scenarios, where you are Allied with that faction.
My only complaint against Immortal Empires is that we can't customize the end game scenarios in multiplayer campaign. Otherwise, I am loving IE!!!
Do they still trigger in MP tho?
@@jugadorcastriot7796 haven't made it that far yet
This is a really cool addition; perhaps a bit simple right now but definitely a solid foundation to be built upon.
Some recommended additional end game scenarios. Also I'd request if you can please include some cutscenes for some of the more major Incursions. Its odd that this big world building event doesn't get some form of major announcement or ingame thematic intro and conclusion. Sort of like what we saw in Medieval 2 cutscenes for its major events and invasions. Heck have that Engagingbear creator do the videos for you. Just toss him a few bucks and he'd probably put together some great videos for ya.
- Ogre Migration
-Vermintide
-Brettonian Crusades
-The Great Plan (lizardmen)
-The Long war (dark elf vs. High elf)
- individual chaos themed invasions lead by the respective chaos lord
Extra end game scenario: Gotrek go savage and declare war to everybody
Love it. Really exited to see what other end game scenarios will be added in the future.:3
Surprised Archaeon was completely cut out as an endgame scenario.
Because it was the first two games' original scenario, so they've worked on other races first to give Immortal Empires some variety. Besides, there are so many Chaos lords now that a new endgame scenario will require some additional work beyond "Spawn a lot of armies".
0:23 It would be nice if it were at least sometimes chaos, though. A chaos endgame crisis is conspicuously missing at the moment.
5:02 It would be nice if people watched the whole video before saying stuff.
a end game scenario called end times which makes deamons beastmen chaos norsca and skaven all go berserk and ally each other against others would be so majestic. all other factions like vampire counts and empire would have relationship boosts to ally against hordes of chaos.
So what happens if you are playing as the same faction whom triggers the end game scenario? Ex: playing tomb kings for the black pyramid (and you control the pyramid). Do you become the end game scenario?
Nothing changes
No, they said it. Another thomb faction spawns around black pyramid and you must retake it.
@@vladislavserpokrylov2486 ok but what if you're playing Orion. does the wild hunt still declare war on you?
@@TheRealParallax yes. So turn them off for your faction if you think it does not fit
I hope there will be endgame scenarios for ALL type of factions (including the Empire) in the future. Like the Sword of Khaine for the elves, Crusades for Bretonnia or the Vermintide for Skaven. Empires are immortal, but peace isn't, after all!
I was really excited for these after hearing about them from partnered content creators before IE launched.
Sadly, rather than improving my campaign experience, the one end game scenario which I've seen so far has instead caused me to abandon a campaign entirely.
The scenario was "A Grudge Too Far" (the dwarf one), and I was expecting it to be a lot like the chaos invasion in TWW2, which I really enjoyed. The pop-up that displays when it begins even mentions that the dwarfs are going to settle every grudge at once, which sounded really cool...
But after noticing on the map that some of my allies weren't at war with the dwarfs, I checked the diplomacy menu and was dismayed to realise that the dwarfs had only declared war on me.
It would've been bad enough if they'd just prioritised attacking me, as that would still be an example of anti-player-bias, but this is even worse. The way that this has been implemented means that rather than finding it easier to put aside our differences and ally with other factions against a common enemy, as was possible in TWW2, that end game scenario (and presumably the others as well) does the opposite, as it forces diplomatic penalties onto the player. Factions who naturally like the dwarfs (such as the Empire) will not be pleased that the player is fighting them, even though the player has no choice in the matter.
At the bare minimum, that scenario should force the dwarfs to break all their treaties with non-dwarf factions. Ideally, they should go to war with all non-dwarf factions.
If you think that wouldn't challenge the player enough, then give them more armies and/or more buffs. Don't just make the most obvious example of anti-player-bias that I've seen yet in TW Warhammer.
I think IE is amazing, and I was expecting some bugs, as it is only a beta, but I worry that this isn't merely a bug, but an intentional design choice. Hopefully it will get fixed and put my fears to rest.
How can it be an intentional design choice when in the video it's implied the opposite.
Its the end game, embrace the nature of it. Its supposed to be campaign ending.
I assume you were playing Skaven? To abandon the campaign like you said?
@@jhunt592 I was playing Ghorst, actually, and was having fun befriending Imrik & Cathay, and fighting Chaos. I'm not a particularly skilled player, and even though it was only normal/normal difficulty, I was a long way from getting enough settlements to complete the long campaign victory.
However, I had left the end game scenario settings on their defaults when starting my campaign, because I thought they would function like the chaos invasion in TWW2.
Due to the game being on normal/normal, and because I was playing Ghorst (who's really strong at the moment), I could surely have defeated the dwarfs if I wanted to. It just felt like a big step backwards, after spending the whole campaign trying to be a friendly necromancer, to have all my allies getting annoyed because I'm fighting someone they like, and unwilling to join the war on my side because the dwarfs were considered the strongest factions (even though Ghorst's zombies are super strong, the game doesn't realise this, so my strength ranking was pretty low).
@@reiteration6273 How you already played end game crisis? It will launch with the next update.
@@Crazyball18 The end game scenarios are already in the game. The ultimate crisis which launches all of them simultaneously is what's coming in the next update.
This is very promising, great job CA!
I think an endgame scenario called “Ogres my lord” would be a good idea
CA are you listening! ?? 😁👌
I’d love these to turn into mid game crisis and then release some major epic end game stuff with chaos and skaven where there are quest battles and maybe going into the realms of chaos
Pls fix the freezing and slowdowns in coop campaign battles!
"Athel Loren's Arrows will blot out the sun!"
"Then the Night Gobbos will stabs you'z in da shade!"
Please add the option for players in multiplayer campaigns to also customize these settings! Right now it's only for single player sadly
We need 4 more:
Vermintide (skaven)
Summon the elector counts (empire)
The end times (chaos)
And something for the beastmen.
Please notice us will the beast men crisis
Awsome, but how do i edit the end game scenarios in multiplayer?
Reminds me of endgame crises from Stellaris. I love that they're also objective based and not just random armies spawn on the map. makes the map feel more "alive" and interesting. Good job CA. Add 1000 of these :D
This is some next level stuff, real nice
Total Warhammer 3 is so much fun now! Thank you for your hard work!!
When will we get this for coop? Doesn’t feel as fun without it
Oh yes. Can't wait to see what special twist Skaven and Chaos get!
I find it strange that the Skaven scenario wasn't done first, considering that they are the race that has to go to war occasionally just because of population density.
My hope is that they did some basic ones first (spawn armies and get a few buffs), and kept the more creative concepts for later because they take more work.
Can’t wait until CA adds an End Game scenario for Chaos Warriors, Chaos daemons, and Skavens, then we can truly rewrite the End Times as we see fit
Imagine the mod possibility to vary this scenario
How about Balthasar's 'Midas' appocayplse, or CCP-... i mean, Celestial Emperor plans to spread the Yin Yang :)
Like imagine mod scenario
A wight people/Anglo-Saxon spread cultist and manipulate like Tzeentch in Grand Cathay.
Can turn into any animal even a mighty beasts once manipulate succeed
Low rate of military dogs of Wight people and frog of Wight people
Beast mod are turn into Wight people
Oh good they are working on adding more. I was greatly disturbed that there was no vermintide yet, but maybe some of them are getting some extra oomph and so will need more time? No chaos anymore ether but considering all the new factions that makes sense
Me: Boy this alliance with the dwarves is awesome. We’ve really worked together a lot.
CA: Time for a Grudge Too Far
Ok but seriously will the game still pick this scenario even if you have really good relations with the dwarves or the wood elves for example? If so then that’s a major design flaw.
If you plan on being friendly with them, just uncheck them at the start of the campaign. I think the whole point of their end game scenarios is that they go "yolo" and don't care about alliances anymore. I'd imagine playing as that faction would make them not trigger too...but honestly I dunno.
Is it, though?They basically represent the most fanatical elements of each race finally taking hold of the general populace. In the case of Dwarfs this means that every grudge, past present and future, must be avenged, including those perpetrated by their allies. If you want to have a Dwarf-friend campaign you can turn off the endgame scenario.