So far, from what I've understood, that's exactly how the Warframe market works. People buy and sell stuff for Platinum, the currency you get from spending money. Credits are the money awarded on missions and are only used for upgrading stuff, just like in Throne and Liberty. Is there anyone complaining about it? No, because it doesn't matter if someone is getting weapons by spending stuff since you can sell things you drop and get battle passes, skins, and more for free just by playing. Not to mention you can avoid farming some items or buying skins with real money by selling unecessary items you already have. It's only a matter of the currency starting to flow around in the game, and the market balances itself, just like in Warframe. So the beginning may suck, but it pays off in the long run.
Have to wait and see how this one turns out tbh, i don't like the early access thing and the premium only auction house but hey, I played archeage and bdo, i don't see this one being much worse
Thanks for the info! Everything looks great, except for the premium only currency in the AH... That is a real bummer, and sadly, a deal breaker for me.
Every mmo will givie some kind of advantage if you swipe, FFXIV has lvl boosts in the cash shop, in wow you can buy raid equipment in the cash shop. This is the best possible monetization for a f2p mmo, similar to Warframe market.. Swipe early in TL wil give you nothing, since the auction house will be empty, swiping late means you just will be buying from players that are way ahead of you.
EA Servers will be separated from the regular servers. Premium currency AHs are not a big deal imho. In the past companies have been implementing them even in B2P titles ant that's a F2P game. If you want to buy a good gear with $ ... someone has to drop it first, be willing to sell it and the item itself has to be tradable. Which basically means that good players still will be ahead of the swipers. As you already mentioned - everyone can buy premium BP and leveling pass with use of the earned AH currency which makes the game really F2P friendly. You don't really need to spend anything to get everything. Maybe besides the unique EA cosmetics.
If no one buys ur shit ur not getting currency, if you want to buy anything at all in the AH, but you can't sell anything you can't do it with in-game currency, you have to pay real life money, how is that any good...
@@denjideadbrain That's exactly how the Warframe market works. People buy and sell stuff for Platinum, the currency you get from spending money. Credits are the money awarded on missions and are only used for upgrading stuff, just like in Throne and Liberty. Is there anyone complaining about it? No, because it doesn't matter if someone is getting weapons by spending stuff if you can sell things you drop and get battlepass, skins, and more for free... just by playing. It's only a matter of the currency starting to flow around in the game and the market balances itself, just like in Warframe.
@@DanielFilipe. bruh name me 1 platinum sink warframe has, plus wf doesn't even have pvp (sure, dojo duels and conclave💀), this is a real mmo my guy also warframe literally rewards you for EVERY key you do, 1 or 100 pl. T&L, or most of the korean mmos have sinks to keep currency somewhat balanced and in order for markets to not fall face first... If you use pl in warframe other than for buying one-time things ur just dumb, there aren't any platinum sinks in the game and every rift rewards you with platinum even if you get literal "prime trash" I hope i'm wrong tbf, it's sickening to see mmos with great potential dead on arrival just because of the business model
@@denjideadbrain But then you are assuming there will be a premium currency sink in Throne and Liberty in the first place, which doesn't seem true at the moment. The only things there is to spend on the cash shop are a level battle pass and a normal daily, weekly one. The real and recurrent battle pass was worth 500 premium coins and a skin pack with smotes and such was 1100. If they don't implement a direct way to buy stones to upgrade your gear with the premium currency, nonstop, there isn't a sink. And so far, there isn't one. The tax from the auction house goes the the guild that owns the castle where the trade happened and a portion will be distributed on PvP events. With that said, just like in Warframe, the beginning may suck, but once the premium stuff is being traded in various ways, it pays off.
@@DanielFilipe. You can buy the "harder" to get mats in the AH in order to craft the sigils, thats one sink for you right there, i encourage you to go read the business model at the T&L page. PvP is the first reason p2w is even important in a non-instanced-balanced pvp mmo too IMO. There's also some good things btw, like amazon removing pots and battle consumables from the premium shop...
If you pay for early access you will be on a different server than the players who join on release and early access players can’t switch. Further more swiping will give you like 2-3 weeks advantage since especially in endgame money can’t buy you everything so the p2w effect is rather small. The latest gear in KR can’t even be sold on the auction house.
@@brandqc9236 Transferring from a Launch Server to an Early Access Server will be allowed, subject to availability. Players who start at launch will still have the option to create characters on Early Access Servers if that is their preference. Here is the link to their business model: www.playthroneandliberty.com/en-us/news/articles/tl-business-model
You can buy battle pass levels via Lucent too, 5000 Lucents and you have the all rewards instantly. Lucent is the main problem for p2w; but this game is lack of soul, very empty, boring mobile phone game usage. In general, it is very grindy, you do the same things over and over again, nothing is unique. Turning into animal non-stop is not so cool really. The game is solo gameplay mainly that no reason for players to form any party in open world.
Whata joke. Premium got 7-10x more rewards? They are nuts. People would still buy it if it gave 10-20% more rewards. Just make good game and the cash will flow from shop items that are not p2w. But there are Asian AAA company. What do we expect?
Im sad arenanet is under their foot, but they seem to let em do whatever, cause they added a battlepass that is only there to make people play the game (some people farmed daily logins with 20-50 accounts before this). Its litterally the only mmo I'd recommend nowadays, just don't buy all the expacs at once unless its a sale. Tried all mmo's anyone could think of, it's only downside is a steep learning curve thnx to each zone having specific curriencies for various things.
the p2w part really is not that bad.. Im hard against P2W, i shit on this game wherever I can, but played the beta and there really is nothing P2W worth crying about.
How is this a small temporary advantage? You could literally spend thousands on lucent and buy whatever you need from the auction house, as well as a premium leveling and battlepass that gives you tons of stuff. What part of this is "small temporary"?
I mean, making video games is a business and they have to earn money somehow. They are opting on giving people free access to the game with slower progression. Opposite of that would be paying $60 or $15 each month. If you want to go fully F2P you can, of course it puts you at a disadvantage in comparison, but that's a question of what matters to you. Are you super-competitive or not? You can play the game at your own pace F2P and enjoy many aspects of it. Paying for progression is of course P2W, but you don't need to compare yourself with the top 1% or top 5% of those that paid. You can play it for Free with like minded people. And maybe on occasion you cash in 1 battle pass, or 2 a year for extra progress if you feel like it. I mean you order pizza for ~$10 or go to cinema for ~$15. It's a question if it gives value to you and that's all. I'm very happy I get to try a new MMO without needing to pay an entry price. I'll probably buy the first Battle Pass and then see if I keep playing this game after 2-3 months have passed. That's enough for me. :) edit: Spelling
Worst monetization ever is L2 and Lost Ark lmao, and this game is not even close to P2W. All the stuff you said "p2w" in the game a free to play players can earn more playing the game than the ones swiping. Also "Someone has to spend money to buy Lucent first" is such a dumb take. The heavy amount of Lucent poured on the market first will be the one from castle siege. Please play more to understand the system before making these claims. All the highest rank guilds/players are F2P in KR. The real reason they hate it in KR is bc the whales can't swipe their way to the top due to the penalty of death than can't swipe away in pvp because you will need a lot of gold (in game farm only). Such cluess talk.
"The Auction House has a tax system where a portion of the tax is set by the guild that owns the Castle. Any trades that take place will have some of the Castle tax distributed to various PvP events that can be earned by guilds and distributed to their guild members as another avenue to earn Lucent by playing the game." What part of this did you not understand? People still need to swipe their credit card to bring more Lucent into the game in the first place to have an economy rolling. Lucent isn't magically gonna appear on castle sieges, it literally comes as tax money from each transaction that is being made on the auction house. Please understand how the system works before attempting to insult my intelligence.
@Mosleso you are going to have to deal with alot of people like this - they seem to somehow feel after playing the open beta they have to defend it to the death. It's ncsoft. It's been in development as a project for 10 years. It failed in KR , not because of pay to win- because its a shit game. It's open world pvp endgame that is controlled by guilds. This is going to be a lineage / aion crossover, people are going to get camped on their way to events by pvp swipers. Gl
@@kaellach9898Where did I say it’s a great game or defend it? I simply pointed out his shit review making false claim that it’s shit bc it’s P2W. Here’s the reality mate: it’s shit because it’s unrewarding grinding system, clunky combat & not friendly for casual players. It’s a mediocre game at best with pretty graphic. When you make a review, form your STRONG options after you’ve had a decent experience with the game, not surface look and base it on other options. He’s just making review with click bait dude, not an actual review or tell you the real reason it’s a shit game. And you also are very contradicting, first you said it’s not shit because it’s p2w, then it’s shit because it’s pvp vs swipers (aka P2W). So what’s your real opinion or are you just as clueless ?
people need to know this monetization is ok. Skin only game like this dont earn enough to keep game alive. Stop crying if you don't have 30$ to keep monthly stuff and get a better job.
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NCsoft + amazon, well if that ain't a match made in hell
So far, from what I've understood, that's exactly how the Warframe market works. People buy and sell stuff for Platinum, the currency you get from spending money. Credits are the money awarded on missions and are only used for upgrading stuff, just like in Throne and Liberty. Is there anyone complaining about it? No, because it doesn't matter if someone is getting weapons by spending stuff since you can sell things you drop and get battle passes, skins, and more for free just by playing. Not to mention you can avoid farming some items or buying skins with real money by selling unecessary items you already have. It's only a matter of the currency starting to flow around in the game, and the market balances itself, just like in Warframe. So the beginning may suck, but it pays off in the long run.
Have to wait and see how this one turns out tbh, i don't like the early access thing and the premium only auction house but hey, I played archeage and bdo, i don't see this one being much worse
Thanks for the info! Everything looks great, except for the premium only currency in the AH... That is a real bummer, and sadly, a deal breaker for me.
Every mmo will givie some kind of advantage if you swipe, FFXIV has lvl boosts in the cash shop, in wow you can buy raid equipment in the cash shop. This is the best possible monetization for a f2p mmo, similar to Warframe market.. Swipe early in TL wil give you nothing, since the auction house will be empty, swiping late means you just will be buying from players that are way ahead of you.
EA Servers will be separated from the regular servers. Premium currency AHs are not a big deal imho. In the past companies have been implementing them even in B2P titles ant that's a F2P game. If you want to buy a good gear with $ ... someone has to drop it first, be willing to sell it and the item itself has to be tradable. Which basically means that good players still will be ahead of the swipers. As you already mentioned - everyone can buy premium BP and leveling pass with use of the earned AH currency which makes the game really F2P friendly. You don't really need to spend anything to get everything. Maybe besides the unique EA cosmetics.
Nsoft + Amazon , goddamn
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How is this bad? U can get prenium stuff as free to play with the marketplace?
If no one buys ur shit ur not getting currency, if you want to buy anything at all in the AH, but you can't sell anything you can't do it with in-game currency, you have to pay real life money, how is that any good...
@@denjideadbrain That's exactly how the Warframe market works. People buy and sell stuff for Platinum, the currency you get from spending money. Credits are the money awarded on missions and are only used for upgrading stuff, just like in Throne and Liberty. Is there anyone complaining about it? No, because it doesn't matter if someone is getting weapons by spending stuff if you can sell things you drop and get battlepass, skins, and more for free... just by playing. It's only a matter of the currency starting to flow around in the game and the market balances itself, just like in Warframe.
@@DanielFilipe. bruh name me 1 platinum sink warframe has, plus wf doesn't even have pvp (sure, dojo duels and conclave💀), this is a real mmo my guy
also warframe literally rewards you for EVERY key you do, 1 or 100 pl. T&L, or most of the korean mmos have sinks to keep currency somewhat balanced and in order for markets to not fall face first... If you use pl in warframe other than for buying one-time things ur just dumb, there aren't any platinum sinks in the game and every rift rewards you with platinum even if you get literal "prime trash"
I hope i'm wrong tbf, it's sickening to see mmos with great potential dead on arrival just because of the business model
@@denjideadbrain But then you are assuming there will be a premium currency sink in Throne and Liberty in the first place, which doesn't seem true at the moment. The only things there is to spend on the cash shop are a level battle pass and a normal daily, weekly one. The real and recurrent battle pass was worth 500 premium coins and a skin pack with smotes and such was 1100. If they don't implement a direct way to buy stones to upgrade your gear with the premium currency, nonstop, there isn't a sink. And so far, there isn't one. The tax from the auction house goes the the guild that owns the castle where the trade happened and a portion will be distributed on PvP events. With that said, just like in Warframe, the beginning may suck, but once the premium stuff is being traded in various ways, it pays off.
@@DanielFilipe. You can buy the "harder" to get mats in the AH in order to craft the sigils, thats one sink for you right there, i encourage you to go read the business model at the T&L page. PvP is the first reason p2w is even important in a non-instanced-balanced pvp mmo too IMO.
There's also some good things btw, like amazon removing pots and battle consumables from the premium shop...
Pretty sure this game will be a hard pass for me.
If you pay for early access you will be on a different server than the players who join on release and early access players can’t switch. Further more swiping will give you like 2-3 weeks advantage since especially in endgame money can’t buy you everything so the p2w effect is rather small. The latest gear in KR can’t even be sold on the auction house.
What is swiping?
@@sandorszabo Swiping your credit card, basically spending money haha
rather small? you gotta be kidding.. theres a HUGE P2W factor on this horrible and poor implemented jokeass "mmo"
So i cant play with my friends if i buy the early access and they dont . where can i confirm that ?
@@brandqc9236 Transferring from a Launch Server to an Early Access Server will be allowed, subject to availability.
Players who start at launch will still have the option to create characters on Early Access Servers if that is their preference.
Here is the link to their business model:
www.playthroneandliberty.com/en-us/news/articles/tl-business-model
Check out the P2W in black desert online and you’ll see how tame the P2W is in T&L
You can buy battle pass levels via Lucent too, 5000 Lucents and you have the all rewards instantly. Lucent is the main problem for p2w; but this game is lack of soul, very empty, boring mobile phone game usage. In general, it is very grindy, you do the same things over and over again, nothing is unique. Turning into animal non-stop is not so cool really. The game is solo gameplay mainly that no reason for players to form any party in open world.
So you get consumables from the premium pass 😂😂😂 really dude just get it grom Quest or some other place
Whata joke. Premium got 7-10x more rewards? They are nuts. People would still buy it if it gave 10-20% more rewards. Just make good game and the cash will flow from shop items that are not p2w. But there are Asian AAA company. What do we expect?
Im sad arenanet is under their foot, but they seem to let em do whatever, cause they added a battlepass that is only there to make people play the game (some people farmed daily logins with 20-50 accounts before this). Its litterally the only mmo I'd recommend nowadays, just don't buy all the expacs at once unless its a sale. Tried all mmo's anyone could think of, it's only downside is a steep learning curve thnx to each zone having specific curriencies for various things.
the p2w part really is not that bad.. Im hard against P2W, i shit on this game wherever I can, but played the beta and there really is nothing P2W worth crying about.
Dead on arrival
Disagree, it's a very small temporary advantage if you swipe.
How is this a small temporary advantage? You could literally spend thousands on lucent and buy whatever you need from the auction house, as well as a premium leveling and battlepass that gives you tons of stuff. What part of this is "small temporary"?
You just admit it, stop being copium suck up.
@@hpharold23 yeah no wonder we have these monetization practices. all these guys just defending with copium
I mean, making video games is a business and they have to earn money somehow. They are opting on giving people free access to the game with slower progression. Opposite of that would be paying $60 or $15 each month.
If you want to go fully F2P you can, of course it puts you at a disadvantage in comparison, but that's a question of what matters to you. Are you super-competitive or not? You can play the game at your own pace F2P and enjoy many aspects of it.
Paying for progression is of course P2W, but you don't need to compare yourself with the top 1% or top 5% of those that paid. You can play it for Free with like minded people. And maybe on occasion you cash in 1 battle pass, or 2 a year for extra progress if you feel like it. I mean you order pizza for ~$10 or go to cinema for ~$15. It's a question if it gives value to you and that's all.
I'm very happy I get to try a new MMO without needing to pay an entry price. I'll probably buy the first Battle Pass and then see if I keep playing this game after 2-3 months have passed. That's enough for me. :)
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Worst monetization ever is L2 and Lost Ark lmao, and this game is not even close to P2W. All the stuff you said "p2w" in the game a free to play players can earn more playing the game than the ones swiping. Also "Someone has to spend money to buy Lucent first" is such a dumb take. The heavy amount of Lucent poured on the market first will be the one from castle siege. Please play more to understand the system before making these claims. All the highest rank guilds/players are F2P in KR. The real reason they hate it in KR is bc the whales can't swipe their way to the top due to the penalty of death than can't swipe away in pvp because you will need a lot of gold (in game farm only). Such cluess talk.
"The Auction House has a tax system where a portion of the tax is set by the guild that owns the Castle. Any trades that take place will have some of the Castle tax distributed to various PvP events that can be earned by guilds and distributed to their guild members as another avenue to earn Lucent by playing the game."
What part of this did you not understand? People still need to swipe their credit card to bring more Lucent into the game in the first place to have an economy rolling. Lucent isn't magically gonna appear on castle sieges, it literally comes as tax money from each transaction that is being made on the auction house.
Please understand how the system works before attempting to insult my intelligence.
@@Mosleso no one cares tho it's all western players crying everyone should just stfu
@Mosleso you are going to have to deal with alot of people like this - they seem to somehow feel after playing the open beta they have to defend it to the death.
It's ncsoft.
It's been in development as a project for 10 years.
It failed in KR , not because of pay to win- because its a shit game.
It's open world pvp endgame that is controlled by guilds.
This is going to be a lineage / aion crossover, people are going to get camped on their way to events by pvp swipers.
Gl
@@kaellach9898 yup we will camp you every step at all content. You will complete nothing and we will complete all :) GG
@@kaellach9898Where did I say it’s a great game or defend it? I simply pointed out his shit review making false claim that it’s shit bc it’s P2W. Here’s the reality mate: it’s shit because it’s unrewarding grinding system, clunky combat & not friendly for casual players. It’s a mediocre game at best with pretty graphic. When you make a review, form your STRONG options after you’ve had a decent experience with the game, not surface look and base it on other options. He’s just making review with click bait dude, not an actual review or tell you the real reason it’s a shit game. And you also are very contradicting, first you said it’s not shit because it’s p2w, then it’s shit because it’s pvp vs swipers (aka P2W). So what’s your real opinion or are you just as clueless ?
people need to know this monetization is ok. Skin only game like this dont earn enough to keep game alive. Stop crying if you don't have 30$ to keep monthly stuff and get a better job.
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Thank you man, really appreciate it.