Charlie Kirk Vs. Transsexual Buck Angel
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Charlie Kirk goes one-on-one with transsexual man and former pornographic film actor Buck Angel in a riveting debate about transgenderism in America and the pitfalls of pornography in society. From the negative impact of porn on the human brain to the pharmaceutical industry capitalizing on the trans movement for profit this discussion is educational and CAN’T MISS!
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Thank you so much TP USA and Charlie for having me on to discuss very difficult subjects. I believe conversation creates change and helps us move forward. Big Love, Buck PS: Thanks for treating me like a rockstar:)
The conversation is absolutely important. Well done doing what so few are willing to do
dude this was fuckin informative thank you
Thanks for being cordial and open to debate. Many of those left of center will not even attempt to have open dialogue and if they do their temperament doesn't allow them to act civil and progress is ultimately shut down.
Mr. Angel, Thank you for joining the debate here or i would not have heard your side, not that I'm on Mr. Kirk's side either. You are so rare, and clear thinking, and calm with the young Kirk, which means "church" in old Deutsche. So, thanks again for the Church vs Angel debate.
Dude you ARE a rockstar. I just subscribed to your channel. This is the best debate I’ve ever seen. Only part I cringed at was Charlie’s insistence that all porn is wrong and it’s an objective moral truth. Not because of his stance but how he approached it. I could tell he was heavily triggered. I had to skip through some or it. But for the most part both of you were amazing
This is the kind of person I think no one has a problem with. Minding their own business, doing their own thing, and excercising freedom of expression. More power to him
there’s plenty of people who will have a problem with him regardless of how right leaning he is 😂
@@coolguy9616 he said things the average leftist would agree on 😭 if your imagination of a trans person is a purple haired they/them you probably need to get off twitter and touch some fucking grass
@@EnderErcan-qb2fx *she
@@EnderErcan-qb2fx it is unfortunate, but I believe they are in the minority. Currently, there are more on the left that have issues with him.
Yes Except the P0rN that is OUT of this world bad. I know 3 marriages all dead from it. One of them was trying to have a baby while her husband was sneaking on the puter at night while she was asleep and taking there credit cards using them and then saying they were stolen. Plus GOD Doesn't MAKE MISTAKES in what BODY he puts you in.
Buck Angel: “I was suicidal. I tried to commit suicide”
Charlie: “I’m glad you didn’t”
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 so tender and sweet. I love it💕
Buck Angel didn’t have the right therapy. Nobody should feel forced to change their gender. Gender is not, and should not be oppressive. Love yourself as you are. You are beautiful as you are made.
Tea. That was really sweet.
Yeah, Charlie is just so empathetic, until he gradually reveals his true self.
@@rickberglund2134 yeah, his an angry hurt child
@@ulvegutten2056 he seems pretty nice?
This is what happens when two reasonable people actually talk about the issue. Thanks for doing this.
We definitely need more of these discussions for all parties can be civil and understanding each other’s perspective
from what i see.i get way more reasoning from Buck than Charlie.Its really okay to have different opinion and point of view.but pressuring your religious point of view to non-believers IS NOT in any way will make them leaning to your "objective" truth.its something Charlie fails to understand i think
yes. because reasonable people inject themselves with testosterone.
@@rafisqiadhaputra6136On the other hand, BUCK just doesn't accept what she doesn't like. Every response is, "not for me", "I don't see it that way". Her child is 9. Let's see if her selfish holds.
@@rafisqiadhaputra6136it’s not a religious point of view persé, he didn’t say it was.. he just said some things were objective truths
As a conservative man, only one thing infuriates me about Buck: that his beard is infinitely better than the one I can grow.
That's because it's chemically manipulated
@@rosietyler Aye, so is mine; I'm on TRT. Though I suspect the dosage difference is significant.
@@Lochlann13 oof, then RIP. maybe it'll come with age 💔 hang in there
And he has a bigger 🐓 than you
Thats Becuase it’s fake and only induced by drugs?
Buck is the most logical trans person I've ever listened to. Great debate!
There is no such thing.
You should check out Blaire White. Similar reasonability.
That's because he comes from a time where people were normal.
@@jonj1163 I have, she is awesome.
@@DiscoMatty79 no need to be hateful. Buck made alot of good points.
Buck is the definition of what I've wondered for a while: if you want to "perform" (as he said) as a different "gender", why not just do that and not have to deny biology in the process? Seems reasonable to me, and to Buck.
Buck was a beautiful woman before her transition but she’s much more comfortable presenting as a male. I’m really ok with that. I like that as a man he is doing quite well
why not just be the main character in your own la la land, and not tread on other people la la land. Because sweetie, universally, your life and everyone you love is expendable, replaceable and DO NOT MATTER. Just facts babygirl
"why not just perform as a different gender?"
Because women dont want men 'performing/ acting out their fetish' in female only personal spaces.... Buck angel and a few others are doing more to brainwash the more conservative in society to accept this insanity as being reasonable than anyone....only need look at this comment section to know that
This is the most sensible and ego removed person I’ve ever witnessed from the trans space. I can’t help but agree fully.
This was not a debate. It was a respectful and informative conversation with two rational people. I learned a lot and walked away with a better understanding of both sides.
Couldn’t agree more
Look i don't agree with that(about Charlie being rational, I think he just wants to be right but plays it off well) but im just glad u came away with that instead of not being open minded so its no big deal.
@@WhiteBoyNick1 I recognized Charlie was beginning to fall back on talking points and unnecessary arguments when it appeared that there was no true contention . There was a lot common ground. I think because Buck acknowledged and expressed who he is and how he got there without the pc bs or fear of being censored. He told the truth about his biology and did not subscribe to ideas that are not logical. I think most people hearing his story walked away from this with a better understanding and respect. We need to talk more in this country to each other constructively. We all win when do.
@@tehmu well said friend 👏
Good people 💯 %
It’s absolutely insane to see a normal conversation these days. Thank you to both of you
I'm glad to see a respectful conversation
So I'm about 10 minutes in and have quite a few thoughts. However, I'd like to give credit where it's due. 💚
It takes human decency, intelligence & extreme courage to sit down and talk rationally with someone who holds views that you wholeheartedly disagree with.
Unfortunately, there is such a lack of civil discourse in this country right now & it's incredibly sad. NO AMERICAN should ever be hindered from expressing their viewpoints. It's the only way we can hear differing opinions, in order to grow and learn.
Major props to you both, especially your guest, who really put himself out there. 👍👏
agree. dont like Kirk. but no slanging match. civilised!
It's insane before there are so few people that have no fear to speak their minds from one of the lefts controlled groups. And Buck is someone that has never been controlled his entire life
Except this is not a normal conversation. It’s insanity we are even at this stage.
Im a Conservative and I mostly agree with Buck. Finally a rational trans person
Ya if you are a tota degenerate, you can defend pornagraphy.
he's rational because there's a difference between transgender and transexual. People who are transexual actually suffer from gender dysphoria, whereas transgender people it's all a trend and other people making them think they're a different gender.
I agree 💯 with you I was extremely obese I weighed 407 the day I finally got my gastric bypass that my doctors had recommended for more than 10 years because I had tried the whole weight loss diet programs and always ended up gaining it all back plus more and I had diabetes that I was struggling to control and high blood pressure and and a bunch of other medical issues that were definitely going to kill me sooner than later but all the insurance companies I had refused to pay for the surgery until my employer stepped up and said they would check into it and if they couldn’t get the insurance too pay for it they would pay for it and I am very grateful for that because instantly after surgery my diabetes disappeared and I went off all the meds for it the next day btw in a lot of other countries they do the surgery just too get rid of the diabetes you don’t need to be overweight and they don’t know why it goes away but it does in over 90% of the patients and if they reverse the bypass it comes back. the point I’m trying too make is that before I could have the surgery that would save me from medical issues that were definitely going to kill me I had too see a psychiatrist and these young people who are not even old enough to know what they are and make those kinds of decisions are allowed to have them without having too see a psychiatrist or try any other treatments before having a surgery which data shows doesn’t lower the suicidal rate among the trans community and at most only makes the person feel better about themselves for a few years and then the underlying mental disorder they have causes them to think they need some more surgery or they just realize they made a mistake and they want to transition back and they can’t because they had irreversible surgery
A rarity in itself…
Its not "finally," Buck was and is the OG
This was quite possibly the best reciprocal conversation between a man and a trans person about the current political and personal issues surrounding gender identity.
Absolutely wonderful exchange! This is how we bring about change.
I LOVE how sensible Buck is! He's educated on the facts, doesn't live in fantasy. The best thing about him is he can debate politely. He doesn't lose his temper, scream, or have a tantrum and he treats others with respect. Really admirable!
She
@@noreenmcgovern1023I call people what comes naturally to me. What is instinctive. I don’t edit my pronouns for people. Buck looks like a ‘he’. My eyes see a ‘he’, my brain processes a ‘he’, so my mouth says ‘he’. I’m not editing my language for anyone.
Talk about fantasy you just referred to her as a man
@@juntjoonunya9216 I think normal people automatically say what pronouns they see. Buck looks like a bloke so it’s natural just to say ‘he’. We’d need to deliberately alter what our instincts tell us to call Buck ‘she’.
@@SummerMayDay I guess if trans fool you that good.
I must say as a conservative, that if all trans and others within the LGBTQIA+ community and the supporters involved were as reasonable and rational as Buck is here the world would be such a better place and I think society could get along soooo much better! Buck is the most down to Earth reasonable sounding trans person I have ever had the pleasure of listening to! Thank you both for coming together to have this very civil, intelligent and constructive discussion!!! 🥰
A “better place” would be where Big Pharma/Big Business doesn’t manipulate the world to make big money…
"and the supporters involved" I think this is where most of the problem lies. It's mainly virtue signalling and the opinions of real members of "the community" rarely have mattered in the last 4 or so years. My conversations with conservatives on the other hand usually start with accusations of "you must feel XXX way about XXX". If that conversation is via social media, they usually aren't going to listen or disengage halfway through. Unfortunately "helpful" people like to shut those conversations down. In person, though, that doesn't happen as much. For the record, I haven't encountered the extreme attitude from trans people I've known. Non-binary people almost without fail, but not from trans people. The reason you're not hearing from most of them is because they don't generally come out to straight people unless they feel they need to.
100% in agreement with you.
Yeah we know that’s not true conservatives will cut you out like a cyst if you show any support to trans or lgbt
Yeah, he's pleasantly accumulating all kinds of awards for his pornography.
Huge respect to buck for being intellectually honest
You mean like barely?
At the end of the day how you feel and what you are are two different intellectually different things, you’re hormones depend on ur genre not ur soul. And that’s obvious
@@juntjoonunya9216 I mean, they very clearly said they are a biological woman that simply feels and wants to look like a man.
@@juntjoonunya9216do you just troll and comment negative things on every post here
@@beckyterra3493 the truth isn't supposed to be pretty
Internet and social media should be highly restricted to children
Edit: restricted from children
Children should not have access to social media and internet especially without supervision and safety/security measures.
Social Media, and the fact that parents refuse to monitor their kids and what they watch, is why this is out of control. You are 100% right. Anime is a so called, "cartoons". They are grooming, confusing, sex-filled, LGBTQ+ promotions, mostly produced in Japan, to mind f*ck kids into thinking that these decisions are the only way to be accepted and make them "happy". Parents have allowed the wrong babysitters, to raise their kids. The sad part of it, is the parents who are sitting on their phones all day as well, are also being indoctrinated, seeing the fame these parents are receiving for having a "trans" or "LQBTQ+" child. So they push them along. Indoctrination is at an all time high in elementary through college and beyond. What did everyone expect to happen?
In this day and age I 100% agree. Back when I was a child the Internet really wasn't this bad for children... Then again... I hated dial up 😆😉
You mean for not to. If you take your comment as you typed it ur saying that only children should be allowed on the internet with zero adult supervision. I don't think that's what you're saying.
Grammar and syntax matters. I get it, these new phones have weird keyboards. I have one too. Just wanted to point that out
I feel like there should be some middle ground for children on the internet/social media. There is just so much usefullness and good about it that it would probably be a net negative if we just full on restrict children from it. Maybe don't allow them to interact/post?
No, children shouldn't have access to the Internet until reality and morality has set in.
I love how in the first couple minutes Charlie was clearly set for an adversarial debate, and 10 minutes later he's just sucked into a fascinating conversation with a person who has a viewpoint he completely didn't expect.
I’m sure he expected it. I doubt he went into this blind
Buck is the only rational Trans person he's ever debated at least that I've seen. The other debates are insane the shit they say would make anyone go crazy. I think it's completely reasonable to expect a lunatic when having this conversation and we are lucky it wasn't like that.
“Sucked”???? It’s all Charlie has always looked for. Rational conversation and not THRUSTED ideology by this far left administration & it’s followers. They want to change minds because they feel if you disagree you are an enemy, you are transphobic and hateful. Look! They label and point at Buck because he hasn’t conformed to their opinions and plans. Just look how they end their conversation. Respectful!!! Doesn’t happen when the angry ones don’t like Charlie’s views.
Buck set him straight fast very nicely saying I think we'll have a lot in common on the subject
You can tell how uncomfortable he was in the opening, it's actually crazy. Charlie is a phenomenal public speaker, one of the best is the business, but he was "uhming" and "ahhing" like a high-schooler speaking in public for the first time. Really weird to see from him.
This is the BEST, most HONEST, MATURE and mutually- agreeable debate EVER heard regarding transgenderism!!!
Anyone with even a small amount of critical thinking and honesty knows almost every word said here is 100% true!!
Bravo Charlie and Buck!!!
Thank you, friend! I appreciate that you watched us. I also believe this is the way we learn to coexist.
@@BuckAngelOfficial great conversation sir. The porn conversation went kinda of the rails tho. I think porn can be enjoyed responsibly just like alcohol, some drugs, and church. Not everyone is an addict.
@@BuckAngelOfficial learning to coexist also means learning that people like me find trans disgusting. However, you do you just dont force it on the kids or culture (as its bieng done now)
@@RobertMascorroJr this is true. Kirk wants to ban porn and then immediately admitted that the drug war is a losing battle. I wish Buck had capitalized on the Fentanyl comparison to porn. I recognize the prevalence of fentanyl is directly correlated to the war on drugs while simultaneously having, limited, legitimate applications. And, I say this as someone who is battling addictive tendencies.
NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDERISM YOU FLAKE
Buck Angel would get criminally charged in Canada for saying what he’s said in the first 3 minutes of his part of this debate. He deserves enormous respect and is working towards bridge building! Props!
I don’t live in Canada, can you explain why he would get criminally charged?
@@mirandabatten5974 I n Canada if you call a man who says he is a woman a man you can be criminally charged. And by law trans people can demand to go to womens’ prisons, shelters etc.
@@mirandabatten5974 Trudeau created a law banning anything challenging people who call themselves the opposite sex. Biological men with penises can claim to be women and have to be let into woman’s prisons ( including rapist etc) (I’m not saying most/all/or any real dysmorphic are bad or guilty). medical schools by law have to teach that women can have penises (jeopardizing woman’s health research). Everyone DESERVES RESPECT and KINDNESS. But we all also DESERVE safety and health.
@@michelleready wow it's pretty bad over there huh
@@michelleready we also deserve truth, especially kids
The reason the Buck Angel can't see that porn is addictive is that HE is a SHE, as Buck stated women are not as addicted to porn as men. Buck is not a biological male so that means Buck will not be affected as a biological male.
I have a feeling they would probably agree with this
Pretty sure female porn stars are addicted to porn. You gotta love sex to be a porn star
Mmmm that is an interesting statement. On some level I agree with you, he is a biological woman, but at the same time, he has testosterone in him (hormone which increases sexual arousal), so, not exactly just a biological woman. I would argue that this testosterone makes a difference on how he views porn. On the other hand, he has a really positive experience towards pornography, in hard moments of his life it made him feel beautiful and desired. I would also state that there are different kinds of porn, some more damaging and addictive than others. There are different levels of "deepness" as is argued. My guess is; the porn he made wasn't really hardcore and stayed on the surface of what could be considered "normal", not decaying into abuses or really weird non-consensual shit. Therefore, yes, he is ceirtanly a "she" with a really complex experience and life story which brings into this conversation a whole bunch of nuanced points hahahah
@@Chris-ks9ri Despite Buck Angel being a biological female, the lack of addiction to pornography after transitioning to male isn't necessarily due to testosterone's role in sexual arousal. Research indicates that testosterone alone doesn't directly increase sexual addiction. The key difference lies in the biological wiring of the brain. Studies have shown that men and women have distinct neural responses and wiring.
Addiction to Pornography: Men are more prone to developing addictive behaviors toward pornography due to the way their brains respond to dopamine, a neurotransmitter associated with pleasure and motivation. This response creates a feedback loop, where men seek increasingly novel or extreme content to maintain the same level of arousal and pleasure, leading to compulsive use and addiction. Research indicates that men show brain activity patterns similar to drug addiction when viewing pornography, with heightened responses in brain areas associated with reward and motivation.
Conversely, women are generally less likely to develop an addiction to pornography and are more prone to addiction to social media. This difference is partly because social media platforms provide the social validation and attention that many women seek, which is not typically offered by the pornography industry.
Social Media Addiction: Women tend to seek connection and social validation, which can lead to higher rates of social media addiction. Studies suggest that women are more likely than men to become addicted to social media due to their desire for social interaction and validation, which these platforms readily provide.
Only lonely straight men get addicted to porn
Buck and Blaire are my go to with this conversation!! They're both so eloquent and intelligent. If those screaming, crazy folks would take notes from them maybe we would take them more seriously. Thank you Buck for sharing your story, life and experience with us.
Blair is so convincing it took me a year before I found out!! I'd say the same about Buck, here.
Like Arielle Scarcella too
Me too. And, tho she’s gay and not trans, I’d also include Arielle Scarcella. She’s awesome too, if u don’t know about her. Those 3 are willing to speak up for their own views and willing to have these important conversations. And no one rails harder against the lgbt community than people IN the lgbt community who just happen to think differently from the views that they’re expected to just blindly follow
OffensiveTranny is another guy that is vocally pushing back.
You'll meet many more of these types of people in the r/truscum subreddit
Normally, Charlie kills it. He really floundered here. His use of “objective truth” and following up with subjective truth while interrupting is very aggravating.
Sometimes we have biases challenged and he wasn’t expecting to find common ground with someone he didn’t expect. I think it shocked him and he lost his composure.
It was like everything was going fine between them. A very interesting discussion between two very intelligent people was taking place. And then, *all of sudden* , Charlie went into attack mode. The change in mood and tone is extremely jarring.
💯 agree
@@pobster88j94 that and all these guys cling to their subjective and objective truth / reality differences to give them some ‘out’ in never admitting the’re wrong.
They’ll create a fantasy world and say it’s true to me so therefore you’re wrong, even when you submit copious amounts of empirical data to completely show every angle of how wrong they are for their ideas and claims.
Yet they do not ever submit to losing an intellectual debate, they just dishonestly withdraw further into their enormous cache of weaponized strawmen and ad hominem attacks while targeting vulnerable minority groups, instead of looking to theirselves and their own shortcomings to resolve before they try to work on everyone else in society. And that ammo gets even crazier and crazier to where they’re attempting to use conspiracy theories to justify easy to see falsehoods. No, it’s the jewish space lasers making kids trans….
When Christians talk about a moral deterioration, they mean in themselves. We’d all be fine if they’d get their sh it together and stop trying to tell everyone else how to live and be when it doesn’t affect them whatsoever. They’ll throw up a ban on the existence of trans people to avoid having to talk to their kids about what a trans person is if asked.
I think it’s interesting that Buck has the perspective of support for trans people but that comment about pregnancy I still disagree with; a trans man may have biological woman parts but is a man, so therefore we can socially acceptably continue to call that man a man & accept that a certain subset of men will have the *capacity* for pregnancy;
… and who is threatened by that concept? What a weak pathetic person would work to sow up ignorant fervor to eventually legislate against and not allow someone they dont even know to make responsible choices for their own health care they decide on, since you know.. freedom and liberty and all that.
No, we base our laws on our emotional outrage of white people and fox news talking heads let that interpret the world for us, we are just too dumb to make our own choices.
I agree with Buck it shouldn’t be a “one and done” thing, there should be guidance along the way for people that are interested in going through it, and I would be very curious to see these supposed examples from Kirk or anyone like Dimwit DeSantis of it being “pushed on kids” in school .
These psychos in FL literally made a law so teachers in Florida can’t even speak the word “Trans” without threat of the state coming down on them. It’s insane and it’s a blatant attempt to write them out of existence. That’s why they are happy to not let any “definitions” be adjusted or altered of words…
Btw, Charlie’s take on making things like porn illegal is INSANE. LMAO “children are being preyed on every day” - so go ahead and work towards rescuing some. I don’t see you doing anything but stroking your own ego with your name up in big letters while you talk a big talk and walk by sitting on your couch doing NOTHING.
He just is trying to target a group of people to make them responsible for what Chuck here and the GQP Christians think are the shortcomings of society or some broken pact with God when it’s just them pushing their own inability to not try to force their own lives on others that is the problem. It makes me sick.
Get your cult garbage out of government, and stay out of people’s heath care decisions! For a group that always whines about free health care would somehow make it worse with govt. involvement, he sure thinks they deserve to oversee reproductive bodily care and take away decision making by forcing outcomes pretty easily. What a snake Kirk is and all of these guys are on the right. Patheitc.
Couldn't agree more. Once they got talking about Buck's porn history, Charlie was all over the place.
This is the first time I've seen Kirk unable to fully defend a point he has presented. But was opposed by a well thought out, and extremely well articulated discussion from Buck.
As a young father. It's great to see content like this on the internet.
That's cuz he's going soft for "kind" TV
Because buck is not a crazy activist but a real gender dysphoria
He fully defended his points. Just because Ms. buck doesn't agree doesn't mean Kirk didn't fully defend his positions.
Ms. buck will never agree that s3x abuse of children is wrong across the board. It's okay for those who feel it's okay, and wrong for those who feel it's wrong.
Same with p0rn and the rest of her s3x work. As she states repeatedly throughout the interview, the only thing that really matters to her is her own happiness.
Making porn yeah thats so admirable, gross.
Charlie defended many points and so did Buck. Charlie’s points were made considering the world as a whole where as some points that Buck made were spun to fit his lifestyle
So, Charlie’s opinion is if you’re not Christian you’re wrong. Got it.
Yeah,that seems to be where he fails in his debates.
I’m impressed with Buck Angel. Very smart and well spoken.
I was too until it got to around 25:00
Don’t be fooled - look him up , he works in porn.
He/she could fool anyone wow looks more manly than me 😂
@@JDAESTHETICS what happened around 25:00?
@@Kiwiiforfan I would suggest going with your normal instinct on calling that a he.
What an open minded and reflected person. Even willing to be slightly offended by Charlie for the sake of the conversation. A respectable spokesperson for the trans community that really shows the right wing what normal trans people are like.
People like Buck and Blaire have made be able to understand and empathize with them in a way that trans activists never could.
What an amazing conversation. Thank you both so much. It was so refreshing to hear an actual discussion rather than yelling and talking over each other.
I can't begin to express the amount of respect I have for the way this debate took place. If we could have more conversations with such respect and understanding our world would actually have a chance at addressing serious issues.
Thank you for showing there is still hope for civil disagreement and conversation.
YES!
Democrats won't allow it!!! DNC put literal "Black Face" in WH in '08 2 ensure that!!! BTW, this coming from a Dem Lib from Jackson run n '83, till the "abomination" that occurred '08-'15! SMGDMFH! ✌😔❤
Exactly, you can't get to this level of understanding and respect without dialog.
This is how discussion across the aisles should be conducted. Too frequently these kinds of conversations very quickly devolve into shouting and name calling. This video was very refreshing.
@@zipped6648 absolutely and causing even more division which is slowing destroying our society
I’ve never been addicted to porn, but I have a terrible sugar addiction. It mainly came from depression. Once I started taking medication, my depression has lessened and so has my sugar addiction. Addiction is person to person and also has to do with your mental capacity.
Yeah, Charlie lost me there. I know some hardcore junk food addicts. It's insidious because many people think it's normal to pound down a milkshake or giant class of soda with every meal. I know people who spend most of their income on eating out at restaurants. People who get hangry and act like addicts in withdrawal if they can't have junk food for literally every meal every three hours.
I know an elderly type 2 diabetic man who won't stop eating sweets even though it's killing him. He can't afford an insulin pump because he spends so much money on food. Sorry for the rant but I've seen so many people suffer from food addiction and eating disorders, that Charlie handwaving that bothered me.
Let’s ban sugar!!
@@AshleyWilliams-xq7ljI'm caring for my father who is dying from his poor diet choices. 12 years of a stroke, double knee replacement, gastric bypass, sleep apnea, reliance on meds, incontinence, losing his career, etc doesn't wake him up.
It's a sad, slow, death that profoundly effects those that have to have to care for them.
"I have a mental disorder."....... Finally, honesty.
But just because he admits he has a mental disorder, it doesn't mean he shouldn't live his life in a way that makes him happier.
He said he went to therapy for ten years before finding the one that said your right u are a man..but now a days how do u go to therapy when the moment u walk in there they all agree with you..not to be rude towards him but I’m sorry most therapists are all nut jobs
Most therapists are lazy and incompetent. I think the average (western) person has a positive opinion of therapy because they believe in its marketing. Reality is something else 🤣
I personally do not want to go from therapist to therapist in hopes of finding the "right" one. Waste of time. But I know it worked for some people.
A lot of people have various mental disorders.
Schizophrenia, Bipolar, personality disorder, eating disorders, anxiety disorder, mood disorder, PTSD, depression, narcissistic mental disorder.
That doesn’t mean these people can’t do things that make their disorders better or make them happy.
I like that he highlights that because if anything the trans movement can agree with, is having a mental disorder shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing or stigmatized. Some are against the idea of medicalizing their gender but having diagnoses in our healthcare system are what gets you resources, medication, therapies…good things!
2 things...
Buck first said;
'I was homeless, druggaddict before i was a man...
Later in the debate;
'I was a female athlete and a model who traveled the world.'
Good interview, but some things dont add up
this is what i was thinking the entire interview.
idk about the athlete part but i would assume it's quite possible to be a homeless, drug-addicted model traveling the world when you make porn for a living lol
As if life doesn’t have its up and downs
@@brianamendoza9062 not saying that... But he was 28 when he transferred. So he was a world traveling model and homeless before that? Kinda fishy, not saying that it isnt true
@@M4ch0 so maybe you should get to know his story. he does not sound like he have to make something up
Buck is old time sensibility. He-( and I'm using the pronoun with full understanding that this is a biological female)- is going back to the basics. "I'm a female with gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. I felt and feel more comfortable looking and living like a man, and I made the decision as an adult". This is precious.
And if your daughter wanted to tattoo and pierce her entire body because she sees herself as a canvas. You would accept that?
@@noreenmcgovern1023 Of course. You don't have to agree with it, you'd try and talk her out of it, but if she was an adult and insisted, you have to accept it or lose her.
"precious"? Yeah, the devil does dress his things up with such descriptors
@@sportysbusinessher point is in the morality of it, not whether she could do anything about it
@@juntjoonunya9216 Thank you
Charlie Kirk: personal responsibility
Also Charlie Kirk: people who make porn are responsible for the people who irresponsibly consume it.
his hangup on porn took me aback tbh lol
He loses all credibility with me when he starts talking about porn. Just because he clearly is obsessed with it in an unhealthy way and it clearly somehow is a bad negative thing for him he’s trying to force it to be negative and ‘dangerous’ for everyone. He just makes himself look completely unhinged not only that he ever could be addicted to watching porn as if it’s gonna consume your whole life and the way he crusades against it just makes himself look super perverse.
Yea He wasn't his best here... "Small government! But government should ban porn" is a little... Nonsensical to me. Plus... Just because you have a problem doesn't mean everyone else has the same problem. I e. I have a problem binge drinking alcohol doesn't mean I think alcohol should be banned.
@@caseywrightsel4277 I agree with his feelings towards porn, it is poison, but he reminded me of another RUclipsr, Hamza Unfiltered. He takes a harsh stance agaimst video games. Its under the guise of wanting to help young men, but you question this when you learn he was yelled at for playing them. His trauma developed from this experience causes him to double down on his hatred for games. So much so that he hates you if you play them. He sounds unhinged.
@@maxpaynegk lol that’s how I feel Charlie sounds with porn. Like I know humans can be addicted and obsessive compulsive over anything including food, porn, tv/ media, like we can make anything a negative if we obsess and convulse on it too much and I know plenty of people really do have problems with porn but it’s the fact he pushes it as you’re somehow terrible for watching it or god forbid be a part of actual scenes or produce it. It’s the same concept you just explained it’s like he’s over compensating his own problems with it and projecting those onto everyone else. I agree porn can be addictive to people to a negative extent but when he’s crusading to the level of saying it’s more dangerous and ‘deadly’ than heroine he sounds 1000% unhinged. “It’s sacred time we shouldn’t share with other people and it’s a disgrace to the connection of humans “ - but yet he watched it so much and so compulsively to the point he needed porn rehab ?? so he just sounds stupid as hell lol like if he just said it’s dangerous that’s fine but every 10 seconds “everyone who watches porn is depressed “ like lmao no you can’t take general consensus numbers of people saying they have “times” of depression or negative feelings and he skews it and manipulates numbers to make it seem like they are depressed because of porn when in reality most people who are depressed live sedentary lives which then leads to more media viewing and usually increased porn. He just tries to make everything out too crazy just because he was looney as shit over porn lol
This podcast should be played at schools and universities. Very important for this lost generation.
Totally agree
19:30 to 19:67
was the real eye opener
YES. We can finally get back to that norm where the conservatives are exposed for the original unreasonable purveyors of cancel culture they always were.
Hi, Buck, thank you for speaking sensibly and truthfully and respectfully. you are an advocate and your voice needs to be heard!! You are helping many, please, dont stop. I totally respect you and your lifestyle. I would be proud to be your friend. You are a good person.
Buck Angel is such a class act. I'll listen to Buck any day, and kudos to Charlie Kirk for having this interview! This is the kind of conversation that moves the country forward.
You referred to her by name in your second sentence cuz you're afraid to properly gender her
@@juntjoonunya9216 why not in the first sentence?
@@Tedanson idk. But the second time is obvious
If this conversation had happened even just 2 decades ago, we wouldn’t be going through this nonsense… THIS… is a measured conversation, this is a mature conversation. Thank you Buck and Charlie! (And moderator)
Buck give you a different perspective. I found it making me put more thought into the subject
Thank you!
The left doesn’t want to have this convo. They don’t truly care about trans people, they’ve weaponized them. I wish ppl would realize this.
If you find anything Charlie Kirk says interesting/profound or sensible, you’re not a good judge of those things.
@@ryanfranks1518 lol stay delusional
It’s impossible to dislike Buck
I don't like that she thinks she is a man but everything else is good
@@RedBloodAurayeah i disagree with that as well but they were pretty respectful. That’s refreshing to see from the left and that’s sad
@@nodnoc9627 I will agree she was pretty respectful
Yeah he's a pretty level dude from other videos I've seen here on YT.
@@RedBloodAurawhy do you even care?
He’s…. Not insufferable. He’s kind and open minded and actually is realizing the insanity that has ensued. It’s so refreshing to see
Buck Angel has a good point. I'm a straight female. I was working in the Electronics Department of a store. I described the functions of the equipment to a male customer, answering his questions. He asked if there was anyone else with whom he could speak. My co-worker that day was male. He told the man everything I had said. My heart leaped for joy when my co-worker said, "I don't know why you called me out here. You taught me everything I know." I replied, "I just wanted the customer to be happy." So women are not always trusted for their intellect or abilities.
working in the construction industry, your last sentence is spot on!
I might add that I had a background in mainframe mini computers and in software and that I was the Assistant Manager of the department. I was the young man's supervisor.
So women are not always trusted for their intellect or abilities... in certain fields. Same thing can be said about men. You wouldn't go to a straight man for design/decoration ideas.
@Red Heart unless he's gay 😂
@@LegendRonk I said, "You wouldn't go to a STRAIGHT man for design/decoration ideas."
Buck Angel is pretty amazing. Imagine if this person was able to actually be in charge of policy in the government that is going overboard with letting trans do whatever they feel at the moment. It would save a lot of lives.
I love Buck Angel. No jargon, no pandering just truth.
if you are a complete degenerate. I would be so ashamed if that was my daugheter.
That's how he is. He's helped me so much, in my own navigation of being transsexual.
Not everything she said was truth
@Seph96 I believe there is treatment for dealing with Gender Dysphoria there, and I will also say that it is supernaturally inovled.
exactly @@YTishit
Buck is a breath of fresh air on this topic. Most with that point of view are incoherent and contradict themselves 24/7.
Bravo 👏
That's because Buck isn't a Millennial or GenZ.
I would actually enjoy a conversation with him. I’m more conservative but he takes a stance that doesn’t defy reality, is respectful, and is open to a conversation. I respect you sir, and I appreciate you doing this video
Right on and thank you so much!
@@BuckAngelOfficial no, thank you
I totally agree. Im very conservative in most aspects but never turn down a conversation with anyone with differing views.
I couldn't agree more, I really enjoyed him in the Middle ground video jubilee put out and in general find him to be one of the more productive and honest debaters out there. So many people (including this obnoxious interviewer) are more concerned with trying to "win" or trying to pull a gotcha on whoever they're speaking to than they are about actually trying to find objective truth through coherent discussion. I would have lost my cool through the many times that the interviewer kept trying to interrupt or put words in Bucks mouth or ask loaded questions but clearly the sharper of the two wasn't falling for any of that.
@@Mr.Sr.Jr. agree. 👍
I actually agreed with the transgender person more than the other in the conversation.......Buck is the most reasonable transgender person I've ever heard.
Bucks amazing!
Both Charlie and Buck had an amazing conversation.
Yeah. You have conservatives trying to control ppl and trans extremists calling buck transphobic lol no reasoning with ppl
Yeah as all the rest are rabid
Have you watched Blair White and Marcus Dib? Friends of Buck's and just as rational as Buck.
This is why I'm a libertarian. I believe freedom should be for everyone even if I disagree with what your doing. Leave people alone unless they endanger your life, liberty or pursuit of happiness/property. Small federal government and give individual states their rights back. Real freedom is scary because it places all the responsibilities on the individual, but it's no where near as scary as where we're headed.
Amen! You do you and I'll do me. As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others.
@@honkingdonk3981 But it's a slippery slope. Now we have men allowed in women's bathrooms, showers, sports, prisons etc.
And now they want to teach this to little kids. They keep moving the goal post. Eventually it WILL affect you and your life.
This is my first time ever hearing about buck. Absolutely love his mindset. We need more trans ppl like this to speak up
Her. She is a woman.
I've been following Buck for a long time! He is so amazing. There are many others like him coming forward ❤
Thats where CK loses me sometimes. He believes that everbody should have the same morals as him.
True, I still support him 100% and people like him. Even as an atheist. I absolutely despise the far left and they should be stopped by any means possible! They've completely taken over the Democrat party, which is frightening to say the least.
Well, he's not wrong about porn. It has deeply wrecked society, and should absolutely be exposed for what it really is.
@@plagueangel it's still an opinion. There is a laundry list of things that people claim have contributed to the downfall of society.
@@himotoma please dont advocate for porn. A quick search will tell you how harmful it is.
@@plagueangel im not advocating for anything. Im advocating for somebody like CK who is an amazing speaker to not push their personal demons on others.
Absolutely brilliant conversation. I am now a fan of Buck Angel as well.
🤢
@@user-qn9tm8yp5bit’s okay to be a fan of somebody even if you don’t agree or understand their life choices
Then you failed
@@Schnuffbabby what standard?
She’s is a p-star and very confused.
Buck is one of the nicest and most sincere people on the planet.
You should she her movies.
@@vegeta8169 nope
She's still wicked
You know most of them? I find that hard to believe.
Buck had him on that chocolate cake comeback. He could have obliterated him. Some people don't obsess over porn the way he did, in the way that some people can eat chocolate cake, no big deal, while some definitely should avoid chocolate cake at all costs. I'm so turned off by Charlie suggesting these government over reach wishes. If it was up to him, we'd have so many things mandated by the government... for someone who claims to hate marxism, he sure sounds like a dictator. He goes on to talk about objective truth and natural order, which if you break down makes no sense. In nature you see all sorts of "abominations" such as infanticide, grape*, killing, homosexual behavior (im gay), cannibalism, etc. You say natural order, but all i hear is do things the way i think things should be. No! Buck is right, do what you want to do if it makes you happy as long as it's with consenting adults, but dont force others to adhere to some subjective morality. Not in America, never!
The biggest problem is how easily accessible it is:
It’s free
Can be obtained without leaving your house
No way to filter people under 18 from watching
All these make it so easy to for adolescents to watch. And the truth is, it’s addictive, and terrible for the brain. At the very least, it should need substantial proof of someone being over 18 to be able to watch it, not just a button that says “must be 18 or older to enter” because I don’t think that has prevented a single person from viewing it.
FINALLY!!! A trans human that actually makes sense and isn’t INSANE! Buck, my hat is off to ya brotha
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that you are sane.
@@ryanfranks1518 word
*sista
@@jima611 nah…. I’m ok with calling this one by his pronoun lol. Like he said, he transitioned 30 years ago and has a clear understanding on what is going on with himself.
It’s the “ITS MAAM” dudes that I can’t get on board with.
@@zuniga0331 I literally only see a little masculine guy when I look at Buck. Came across him on another show and was amazed at his honesty and logic. Finally a normal trans person and not one with tons of other mental health issues, no offense. But most trans ppl nowadays have lots of other issues going on and try to confuse it with gender dysphoria. Buck is a great advocate for young adults who don't feel comfortable in their own skin. And what I appreciate most about him, is that he understands how bad it is to transition kids too young. They need to be sure in what they are doing. This shouldn't be treated like a trend.
Man I think Charlie's guest argued like a true intellectual, didn't get in his emotions. I appreciate that.
Yes 🙌 Team Buck over here. Buck is incredibly open minded to other peoples opinions.
# BUCKY IS FEMALE = HER
@@Diligent-dp7gi you can call them whatever you want they will still be a more confident and convincing man than you will probably ever be so.🤔
@@Diligent-dp7gihe’s a man. His*
He proved he is a man to me. Ck was the emotional one.
If this is how trans was being presented in society today, I would have literally no problem with it at all. I mean I think it’s freaky and I would be sad if my kid was trans, but I would accept it. But this ain’t how it’s being forced on us. We are being told by bullies to deny reality and to change our language or have our lives ruined. It’s getting ugly out here.
Damn I didn't realize us leftist was running around trying to cut off your penises.
I am deeply sorry for trying to ruin your life lol
You live in your own delusion. I guarantee you, if you were to unfollow an equal amount of conservative pundits in America right now, you would hear less about trans people than if you followed only the latter. It is not getting ugly - you simply choose to perceive it as such.
It’s because of the stigma that the leftists are trying to rewrite reality to reverse stigmatize straightness. But buck is very enlightened
It’s just more smoke and mirrors to divide us further.
I totally feel your pain brother
“The issue is not the issue, revolution is the issue” - James Lindsey. It’s simply destruction of what is ‘normal’, it’s demoralisation and most people carrying out this plan are unaware that is what they are taking part in. The road to hell…
A breath of fresh air to listen to someone like this who actually has logic behind their arguments. It's nice to see someone who can have an actual educated discussion about this topic without screaming and yelling to try and make their point......and yes......I think most of us are jealous of that wonderful facial hair.
This is the reason I love Buck Angel!!!
He acknowledges reality- he’s not ok with how far things have gone, he’s not ok with what’s happening to children, he acknowledges it’s a smaller group of people who should actually transition, acknowledges gender dysphoria for what it is, he’s respectful & moral and I’m so thankful for him and his voice in todays world
And reality dictated you using he him pronouns 7 times to describe Buck.
He sells porn that is Not moral
@@YTishit I’m aware of his history with that
But "he" is a she. And always will be.
@@aruglaempire2518 right but if you look at Buck in any social situation you would never say "she". I think context is important and in a biological setting, it's more appropriate to use she
Charlie lost me a little when he started going down the porn rabbit hole. Other than that, it was a great and extremely logical debate!
Took it too far
The fact Charlie said Morals are Trial and error, over time passed on thru history vs. Just saying a Supernatural, Superstition based Religion or god created morals was the most impressive part I noticed.
The porn ...he definitely wanted to drag Religion into.
Porn is a main reason why the family dynamic has changed. It breaks up families and if children see it, it could be the cause of some of these trans issues as children. Children especially are not made to see that stuff. But he definitely debated that too long lol
Yes agreed!
Charlie badgering Buck over being in porn and allegedly causing people to commit suicide was not the way to go here IMO. You FINALLY talk to a "trans" person who is not a total nutbag and actually agrees with a lot of conservative views and has common sense...dont badgering him for his past and blame him for what other people do. Just my take. Buck seems like a cool dude.
Buck badegered a 14 year-old girl whom p0rnhub preyed on. Buck is a p0rnographer and she needs to be called out for that.
I think Charlie has a boring sex life. He doesn’t see Bucks side of it. It’s a chemical imbalance when it comes to any addiction.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that. He also kept saying that Buck was wearing a costume, which I found incredibly disrespectful and even painful to watch because Buck is so nice about it. I had to turn it off.
yeah, Charlie lost me when he used that authoritarian phrase "it just is", but that's okay - it shows that all of us have built in bias. otherwise an amazing thought-provoking conversation
I'm turning this off at 35 minutes. This was such an incredibly productive, positive and civil conversation up until this point. I almost felt as if Charlie was trying to pry a negative reaction out of Buck for the sake of content and views. "Charlie Kirk Triggers Trans-Activist" = More views, more exposure and therefore, more money. This world NEEDS these controversial topics to be discussed in a civil matter much like I saw here but, let's face it, most people in this world thrive on negativity and drama. Until the "porn debate" I felt this was a big step forward and should be the template for how to discuss such controversial topics in the future.
BUCK is the VOICE that ALL people need to hear. Wether there straight, gay, lesbian, trans, religious, atheist, short, tall, fat, skinny, etc. etc. what an AMAZING convo. 👏👏
Ms. buck says anyone that believes in having single s3x spaces is an extremist. Openly and harshly advocates that men that 'put in the effort' should use women's restrooms, showers etc, and women's safety and concern does not matter.
Making porn yeah thats so admirable, gross.
No not really.
@@tinahochstetler2189 Do you think that Buck should use the women's restroom?
Ms. Angel should use the gender neutral single user restroom.
I love how visibly confused Charlie is. I don't think he was expecting this dude to be so reasonable.
This woman. But yeah
Woman. And she’s more dangerous than the loud mouth obnoxious ones.
@@yakityyak8894nah Buck is more of a man than most biological males.
@@yakityyak8894 I'm a woman. Buck is nothing like me.
@@dinahn6955 What? Are you being serious? You think that taking hormones for years means Buck is no longer a woman? Have you drunk coke or pepsi for years? Are you no longer a human, but a carbonated beverage?
As a conservative, I find it very weird to see another person who calls themselves a conservative, but wants big government to step in and shut down porn. How about parents doing their job and shielding their kids from it. Same thing goes with drugs. Charlie, I just think you're so wrong on this subject. I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
It’s much easier to shield kids from drugs/alcohol than porn. Speaking from personal experience, it was far to easy to get into a dark world of pornography and continue down the rabbit hole from a very young age, seeing as how most young kids have access to internet at a far young age
Exactly! He fell short on the porn issue. Victimhood, childish and black and white mindset.
@@chubbycheeks75 that's fair. But if we can't depend on parents to know what their kids are watching, we might as well just turn over kids to the government now and get it over with. Everywhere I look in society, people are complaining about the government not doing enough for them and their kids. I just hate to see it coming from the conservative side
Perhaps you are thinking of the term 'libertarian' rather than conservative. There is nothing surprising to me about a conservative opposing porn, and even wanting to outlaw it. As conservatives tend to hold traditional moral views about sex, this is almost definitional to being a conservative. But even if we switch to the term libertarian, which I'm not sure Charlie has ever claimed to be, why should Charlie's opposition to government intervention in certain cases, such as in the economic sphere, imply that he should be against government intervention in this case? It seems as though Charlie is not simply approaching it from a kind of low resolution heuristic approach of 'government intervention is bad,' but is considering the morality of it in each particular case. In this case, it appears as though he feels that the harm inflicted upon children, who are often not yet able to understand the effects of pornography or restrain themselves properly, justifies the use of state power. Is there something contradictory about this position? You further point out that parents should shield their kids from porn. This would of course be ideal, but clearly this is not what is actually happening. So are we supposed to just have future generations of kids incur the brain and bodily damage from pornography because their parents aren't able or willing to shield them from it and hope that some time down the line the parents step up? If so, where is the morality in this, and what possible justification is there for it?
@@johnjonestheguy Trust me, I'm very much aware of what conservatism stands for and what libertarian stands for. I happen to be a libertarian conservative myself. The thing about morals, is that not everyone share the same moral positions. The conservative framework should be centered around state rights and small federal government reach. A reach which should stop at national defense, protecting the rights which are in the constitution and bill of rights, and foreign affairs. Porn does not violate anyone's rights. It is up to each family and state to determine which moral values and laws they wish to Abide by. One could make the same argument for many things which we allow in society which can be harmful but still protected under the constitution. There are many cases where children are abused by churches. Should we then trample on the protection of religion by shutting down all churches to make sure no kids are ever abused in one? No of course not. That makes no sense. Iv studied conservative philosophy for a decade. While I understand the temptation to take this path. I think it sets a bad precedent, which opens up a can of worms which will lead to much more control by the federal government. One where the cure is worse than the disease.
I find it very odd how someone who probably believes in self responsibility is trying so hard to blame someone else for a porn addiction
Exactly 💯
I'm a little confused by who you're directing this comment at
@@emerealm3779 charlie
@Charlie because he's trying to twist Bucks words around to get him to feel bad for making porn when first transitioning, Charlie suffered from porn addiction so I think he gave into his emotions on this debate and lost it.
@TINA-kc4hi you should feel bad for making porn. It's destructive not productive
Buck angel wins here, hands down
Thank you Buck Angel. I work with adolescents in acute psych care. This is destroying our youth. We need your education. Also love that you don't hate people who disagree.
This is the first time I've disagreed with Charlie. His arguments here were borderline ridiculous.
Actually ridiculous… complete threw off the entire good faith spirit of the debate in the second half. It was just a lecture about his subjective beliefs as objective truth. I think Buck didn’t expect it.
yep.
This is a very good and respectful conversation. Thank you Charlie Kirk!
i hate that Buck has to constantly distance himself from the “crazy” trans people it makes him look like a pick me
This is what a real conversation looks like. I appreciate both parties for being adult about very sensitive/explosive subjects. We need more of this! God Bless!
This is BY FAR the most intellectual conversation ive ever seen about this issue. Thank you all for this.
Lol there's nothing intellectual about this.
👌
This isn’t representative of how the general trans community are.
@@Kunfucious577 thats the point
@@Kunfucious577 then maybe the "community" should consider not forcing their beliefs onto others or misrepresenting the ones who don't force their beliefs.
It's so incredibly refreshing to hear a trans person being so incredibly reasonable and admitting that they have a problem, and that the number of people who have the same problem is extremely small. Buck has earned my respect.
its all the testosterone
Beautiful conversation. Huge respect to both of you for being civil and curious
Charlie Kirk was out classed and out manuvered by Buck at every turn.
If every trans was as self aware as this man there wouldn’t be any issues going on right now.
Well, if they weren’t pushing it to kids we wouldn’t have a problem either.
I feel like Charlie stops listening when Buck has different viewpoints. I am like this to when debating. Perhaps more practice and experience will change this? 🤷🏻♀️
It was hard to watch Charlie Kirk man Splane, in my opinion
Give Charlie a platform to bitch about porn and he becomes insufferable. Buck doesn’t have the escape velocity to exit the orbit of relativism. But overall fantastic debate, bringing sobriety to an otherwise hysteria. ✅ 🏆
That was my favorite part. More men need to listen.
Sadly there's a lot to push back on charlie about a lot of this. I understand his point of view, but he wants to talk objective truth, objectively you can't confirm the existence of God. That's why faith is so important. Not saying I don't think there's amazing teachings in the Bible. I'm agnostic and yet think living in a morally moderate (not super doctrinally conservative or liberal) Christian society is extremely beneficial. But that doesn't mean you can force every to operate under that same truth.
Also there's a major lack of accountability in Charlie's argument. Sure he can argue what Buck does is wrong, but we live in a free society where we don't live under authoritarian rule. There's so many approaches to limit it's damage...
Which brings up the drug argument. Not all drugs are bad. I would argue almost all drugs have an applicable purpose. Heroin is used interchangeably with morphine many first world countries. The dosage is different but broken down by your body their both morphine. I think there's an argument to be mad that porn can be good and educational. There's 100% intimate and educational porn out there that would allow people to learn and get safe idea of how to approach sex. As well as Bucks whole argument of empowering a community of people who have an extremely hard time accepting themselves.
This is actually beautiful, a conversation that says: "you know what, youre right", is so inspiring.
Thank you Buck Angel for bringing your experience to the table for people who do not know how it actually is like to be a trans person.
Thank you Charlie Kirk for being open to that.
**EDIT** Charlie you lost me at the porn. Its sad you two were circling around it so much when so much more could have been covered!
@@kylevids3951 yep, his belief in personal responsibility went right out the window just because he had his own issues with it in the past. Then, he kept pointing out statistics that showed links with depression and guilt but had no reasoning behind WHY some people felt the depression and guilt when others didn't. Then again, some of his arguments are based on religious views (sex is sacred) that he sweeps things like that under so he can feel like that ultimately explains it all away instead of getting down to the real psychological reasons behind it.
@@StandYourGroundHomesteadsex is sacred. It's what leads to procreation. Bringing a child into the world is an enormous responsibly which is why sex is of monumental importance. Religions tend to recognize truth because they wouldn't exist as stable social institutions if they didn't.
Love ya Kirk. But reliance on religion for objective morals is not a reliable way to argue with atheists.
If you think your truth is objective - especially when it comes from statistics - you shouldn't argue with anyone.
@@theotherscientist I don’t have a truth. I think there is THE truth. I just know that there is technically no way to argue for your morals on an objective basis. The best you can do is point to empathy or look at the quality of life in certain cultures that adhere to certain morals.
@@XSPHEAR I absolutely agree. Too many people think: Oh this happens x% of the times, so it must be THE truth. In my humble opinion the only objective truth is: 1 + 1 = 2, everything else is subjective.
he's an idiot lol
Religion rocks
As a fellow black sheep in the “community “ this was a very respectful debate and was good to watch. Thanks Charlie and thanks Buck for representing the sane ones still out here!
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
right as a lesbian who doesn't agree with the stuff that they spin this is refreshing ...
Agreed. As a transsexual Buck was speaking the truth when it comes to the transgender community. Great open and honest conversation.
I love how humble Buck is that he can just laugh and actually shake Charlie's hand when he's stuck in the debate. So refreshing. Two very intelligent and respectful humans having a conversation. Just makes me smile.
Charlie starts off alright but then he goes off the rails and starts talking ridiculous! He lets his own experience with pornography and his religious beliefs cause his debating skills to go right out the window. He spends the second half of the debate trying to force Buck to agree with his world view instead of making a good point.
It all boils down to truth & the only truth comes directly from God. You can’t debate about all this & keep God out of it.
@@dandelion1239 "the only truth comes directly from God" This is not true. There are a lot of things that the religious god has claimed are true but we know it's not.
@@arianawoosley2841 like what?
@@kassiepryor5503 beating wives, Punishing homophobia
I haven't born into a Christian family so I'll give some examples from Islam:
1. you can take war slave
2. you can rape wives of war slaves
3. The age of consent for girls is 9.
4. Fathers can kill their children and won't take the same punishment as others doing the same
5. marital rape is non-existent and wives should obey
6. only men can divorce
7. heresy is punishable by death
8. stealing is punishable by chopping fingers
9. Adultery is punishable by stoning
10. Men can take multiple wives while you can kill your wive if you catch her cheating
etc.
These are some of the truths from god which I am sure had a lot in common with Christianity but Christianity has gone soft to alleviate some of its brutalism
@@dandelion1239 If you have to bring God into a debate that should be dealt with logic then you already lost the debate.
Genuinely surprised in the way this played out. Kudos to both of you for providing an example of a sane, civil, and truly chain moving conversation over transgenderism and for the first time, having someone from the Trans side not demanding that everyone buy in 100% to an illusion before being willing to be an equal at the table of discussion.
This is the way to bring people together in understanding around a very new to the masses way of exploring a path through life.
Amazing conversation. Thank you Charlie for hosting Buck, and thank you Buck for being the incredible person that you are. 💗
This was a great debate. I really enjoyed this.
Charlie lost me at his porn debate, he clearly had some deep seeded issues with it and i understand the issues surrounding porn and mental health, but he does not have a good argument at all. Let’s ban alcohol, cigs, fast food, etc all for the greater and moral good. It’ not how it works. If you can’t watch porn without becoming depressed don’t watch it and get help. You have someone sitting out front of you saying their experience with porn is different and you can’t comprehend that because you are only truly coming to the argument from you own perspective and your personal struggle with it. I can drink and not be addicted, many people can’t and should stop drinking. Alcohol has killed more people than porn ever could.
Yeah its pretty much the only point i dont agree with him... its like you shouldnt produce alcohol because people will become alcoholic, and remember what happened when it was prohibited. Adiction can happen with whatever type of uncontrolled adiction.
For real. Him calling porn evil is like calling guns evil. The decision to use porn is still your choice and responsibility and just as porn has harmed people like porn addiction BECAUSE you lack self control and over used it, guns have harmed many people when used to abused like when killing innocent in mass shooting. In both it’s a choice for you to use them and how you use them that lead to their harm and also who you are as a personal or your current state of psychology/ mind and emotional state as you use both porn and a gun.
It's refreshing and amazing to see Buck Angel speak for himself. I'm in my mid-fifties as well and I remember when transexuals had to go to therapy had to live as the opposite sex for at least a year before any hormones were brought into the picture. A lot of self work and mental health work went into this decision. As Buck stated this is sorely lacking in today's world. This goes across the board Mental Health Services Has Fallen off since the 90s. The Americans with Disabilities Act help and also hindered a lot of care that was available and is no longer available. You can see this in the opioid crisis and in the so-called transgender movement. This is the time of instant gratification and with instant gratification comes doubts and disappointment. I wish everyone well and hope that help will be available for making life decisions.
In 23 years of practice I have only ever had two authentic trans patients. Because permanent gender dysphoria is rare among men and extremely rare among women. Their advice and I believe it is good solid advice is to live the customary life of the sex you identify with for at least a decade. Or at least until the age of 23 which at that point all humans are fully fledged adults making no new body tissue only repair and replacing what exists and you’re competent to fully understand a medical transition and its consequences with no regrets and stable mental health. Children deserve the right to the privacy of their own bodies and to completely go through puberty Without interference so that they naturally discover who they are truly. The argument that children need early ““ intervention to make them more phenotypically resemble a sex they currently identify with is contrary to logic as gender dysphoria is a mental condition which must naturally must play itself out to conclusion and over 80+% will return to biological sex prior to adulthood . The result of early interference will mean 25,000 people who permanently will become more phenotypically a different gender BUT of whom only 250 ACTUALLY had permanent gender dysphoria which is EXACTLY what is happening now. Ergo, there are no “trans” children as they have not fully finished puberty and completed full brain development and permanent gender dysphoria cannot be assigned yet. Interference with a physiologically healthy child in this manner is more than abuse, it is an atrocity. As for porn, it will always interfere with authentic intimate relationships whether we want to admit it or not.
Well also, the earlier you transition the less tissue they have to work with.
I think Blaire White and Buck Angel are two of the most sane and respectful people in their community.
Sounds to me like Charlie still has some hidden thoughts and feelings towards the adult industry and that he is not 100% removed from his former addiction.
Or he lived the evil and hoped to save others from it
@@Jackthat1 You may be right. Seeing by your name "JackThat1" you would have much more of an expert opinion than I on this subject. If the name checks out lol
Thats what makes it an addiction. People struggle with it everyday. Just like alcoholism and drug addiction.
It’s hard to get away from addiction I did adderall and it is the best thing ever and porn is kinda the same because it manipulates your dopamine in your brain and nothing is as good as that for years after
@@Jackthat1 the evil is the addiction, not the porn. Addiction to ANYTHING is bad and is always brought on by already existing mental health issues like depression. Addiction use temporarily removes the user from whatever underlying grief, pain, guilt, etc, that they were already feeling. Which is why, if they don't fix the underlying causes, they go on to continue to be affected by the side effect that caused the addiction. You can remove the current addiction source (porn), but that doesn't mean you won't become addicted to something else at some point (drugs, alcohol, video games, always needing to be right, etc.).
This was a great conversation.
Well done Charlie and well done Buck.
Explain what it means to "feel like a man" vs feeling like a woman? I can't, as a man, cannot explain what it means to feel like a man. I can define general differences between men in general and women in general, but none of that is all encompassing.
10/10 on the interview. Had to watch it a few times because it was so good and was enjoyable to watch and listen to you 2. You both are on your own side but were able to meet in the middle on a few things . This is how real change will happen
It’s crazy that the trans community not only tried to cancel Buck but also even someone remotely friends with Buck. He’s done more for transpeople than many. Of course the “community” means nothing. It basically just means the subset of people who happen to be one thing or another and one group can be a reasonable group and another can act like a mob.
More likely because the sub group of people do not have gender dysphoria they have other mental disorders and issues and just have found this bandwagon to jump on to not actually deal with the real issues they are experiencing. Social media and other who love to report or make crap up for headlines and recognition are a part of the problem. Affirming the delusions these people have and supporting their delusions are so harmful and detrimental to those who are confused in the first place. TickTok is to blame for allowing all sorts of disturbing behavior to be posted. In getting followers just reaffirms their delusions. When in fact I would not be shocked if most of those followers are just idiots who think it’s funny and to make fun of them.
This was an amazing conversation. Didn’t even feel like a debate because that’s how respectful both parties were. I’ve always believed that men are men and women are women and you can’t change that but I respect the honesty and respectfulness coming from Buck.
Thank you for this. Charlie, thank you for pressing on the dangers and harm of pornography. Absolutely destructive to the human soul and true human intimacy.
I fucking love his guy. He's so extremely honest and moral and speaks from principle and clarity it's very refreshing and who I deeply respect. He's got it figured out and sees the forest from the trees with the modern political usage of the trans movement. If a million people felt as authentic as he did that's totally cool but that's not wtf is going on today.
The thing I don't get about Buck Angel is that s/he kept her vag, went into porn and gets f**ked on camera.
Woman?
@@lintottish man
Wow Buck, what a nice, genuine and logical person. I loved his spirit and respect him for being able to have a civil, deep and thought-provoking conversation. Definetely a great video with some insightful perspectives. I love this type of sit-downs. I love Charlie but I just think he could have been a little nicer to Buck at times. There were times where Buck could have been easily offended but he turned it around, made light of it and was super respectful and candid about his responses. Anyways, I LOVED this debate. Thanks to both!
It was tough to watch the porn topic in this. Very difficult to see Charlie taking it personally because his stance is personal. He was affected by it deeply, and you could see him having difficulty because he finds porn repugnant, and an evil. This is where the phrase "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do" went missing in there
It was awesome to watch. Charlie absolutely slayed the porn debate.
How was he affected by porn ?
I have been on the fence about this topic. Finally I can distinguish the difference between transgenderism and transsexualism. Buck I thank you for putting things into perspective.. Glad you are living your true self. My support to you and the community will always be supported…
If all trans individuals and activists in the trans movement were as rational as this guy then there would not be the extreme political divide in society!
Who benefits from the divide?
@@Jackhandless the Chinese Communist Party and United States politicians they've captured.