As someone who built a "Map Breaker" blueprint to deliberately go OOB for 3 categories of reasons, I think this hub and spawn trick is brilliant. I can't imagine speedrunning Satisfactory though. For the same reason I don't do hot dog eating contests. 😂
I was actually trying some of the old Hypertube tricks to get OOB, didn't think about Blueprints. Just curious what your blueprint looks like (roughly) so I can build one and build under the map?
@@BrianKurtz-Red sure. I built mine before 1.0 and haven't rebuilt since. I'll say that the nudge feature makes it ten times better. Before that, you could only place in ideal circumstances. The basic idea is: 1. A working hypertube entrance at the bottom and one at the top. 2. A diagonally long blueprint works well. I place the bottom "landing" at a bottom corner of the designer and have the top entrance at the opposing top corner of the designer. The entrance can be in the middle too. In some cases it helps to at least have some object in the top corner. This results in a blueprint whose center of mass is in the middle of the designer. 3. The landing area should prevent your pioneer from flying into the void. I find that platforms with railings are great for this. Test it above ground. 4. When placing, game the puts the center of blueprint at the above-ground spot where you point your build gun. For this reason, if you have a long blueprint, you can stick the landing platform into the bottom of a hill by pointing to the valley just before it. With nudge, you can move it another 8m. 5. There is no other way to force it down. So this doesn't work on flat ground. Even the "center of mass" I mentioned in #2 only works horizontally. So if you need to get under flat ground, find a nearby hill and from there see if you can build yourself a safe OOB route. 6. Not least, make sure that your bottom hypertube entrance has power, so you can get out. That's easy, just build it into the blueprint. Obviously you connect power above ground after you place it. That covers everything I can think of, but ask if it doesn't. I don't make content, but I considered if I did I might start with this topic since I've never seen it done.
I feel like such a fool, I've been playing for 2 weeks since 1.0 launch, and it wasn't until just yesterday that I realized I could automate the dimensional depot. I was manually uploading everything. I had 41 mercer spheres just sitting in my inventory and I was like "shit, what do I do with these????"
hahahaha. Here's a tip, if you want more upload speed make multiple depots. There are upgrades to make it faster too but they cost exponentially more. If it costs 7 spheres to make it twice as fast and you really only need concrete and say encased beams to be faster you can just use 3 spheres for each and now they are 4x as fast for 6 spheres instead of twice as fast for 7. Most of the stuff you really don't need that much of anyway. Of course if you have enough spheres anyway you can get the upgrades though
@k0lpA This only works in the early game when you have very few items to upload, if you have to double every depot for the 30 or so item that I'm uploading now, it would be less efficient, or even impossible.
I remember before 1.0 the HUB was held together with scotch tape and good vibes. Any attempts to do something like this would have ended up with a bugged HUB or the HUB parts disappearing magically somewhere. I still treat it like a house of leaves waiting for a breeze so seeing you build and destroy it so quickly gives me anxiety, lol.
I have a cool spot with non reachable sphere- - 222, -88 in centimeter(ingame map uses meters so just devide by 100). It placed in reel strange cave with no enterance in rocky desert next to the northern border of spawn circle.
You can reach it. The cave entrance is @ -229, -86 and has 2 rocks you need to blow up to get in there. Then you kill the stingers, follow the cave in and go up and over the rock bridge to -222, -88.
I actually don't think so! A lot of casual players make use of OOB to do really fun things, like building massive underground subways and subterranean factories. Maybe they'll tweak the not-actually-hidden items, but going out of bounds itself is treated as a "feature" these days
Can you get into that Sanctum monster cave with that? Don't know if it is still in the game and if it has anything to offer for a speedrun, but it was a nice easter egg when it first was discovered. Haven't been there but maybe there is a sommersloop or sphere in there?
Its bonkers how many ppl dont look at the settings before hitting play. Really? you dont wanna see what keys do what and maybe change some audio and see what features the game has?
@@Alx56 This is my 3rd playthrough so no, by now I don't care anymore, I know all the keys there are, I just hit play. Besides I prefer the default settings where you don't basically cheat your inventory back after respawning 😉
There's no need to judge someone for not looking at the game settings with every update. Most of those fields didn't change with 1.0, in fact I didn't know about this until someone told me where to look too. Not to mention most people are interested in playing the game first, and with a tutorial as effective as Satisfactory's there should be no need to use the game options until much later.
Are there glitched and unglitched speedruns for Satisfactory? I know you discussed on stream a if out of bounds was a major or minor glitch, but as a 'normal' player of Satisfactory I would consider OOB a glitch. Not sure how other games handle it in their speedrun communities. But cool strat non-the-less
There are glitched and NMG speedruns, but no categories cover "zero glitches". Satisfactory is difficult to reason about because, in many other games a glitch is either ineffective/counterproductive or a serious time save. Because the scale of time savings when doing things like OOB is small compared to, say, item duplication, we're considering it fun and cool but ultimately not game-changing
@@EpiphaneSpeedruns I have learned a lot from watching you and its impressive, I cant even do the animation cancelling to decrease the time spent removing the deposits above the ore nodes.
you spawn in the same region where you spawned at the beginning of the game. That's also used in runs. Have your base in that region, go on an adventure with the hub, hub jump a whole lot, then delete hub, respawn and you're back at your factory in less than a minute.
The hub teleporting really ruins the prospect of speedrunning, imo. It's like finding the legend of zelda skip which takes you straight to the end of the game. You've successfully optimized the fun out of the game. No one is benefiting from this.
@@jolienewashington342 I for one hope this gets patched. It's too game breaking. Even vanilla gameplay is detrimentally affected. I doubt it will get patched, but I hope it does.
People have been using this in vanilla gameplay for years, building underground factories and subways for fun. An important distinction to make for the speedrunning argument is taking into account the scale. We're talking about avoiding a couple minutes of running in a straight line, not skipping milestones. The better equivalent to an adventure game would be if you could skip through an unlocked door instead of waiting for it to open. Saves you seconds but doesn't fundamentally change what you can and can't do
am i the only one who hate OOB speedruns and other exploits ? i would 100% prefer watching a skilled speedrun rather than just abusing this kind of stuff :/
Does running for 2 extra minutes come off as more skilled than finding a way to clip into the floor, aim, and then quickly and accurately place buildings in a specific location while falling to your death? To be clear, it's fine to say you don't like watching speedruns that use glitches instead of 100% as-intended gameplay. But to add an implication that putting more time and effort in makes someone unskilled is kind of rude to speedrunners in general (this applies to all games, not just SF)
In Satisfactory specifically the runs are so long that I don't care a whole lot. People go on 4-5 hard drive runs early mid-game when they matter and they're only saving 2-3 minutes per exploit each time at the pace they move. In total it's maybe 20 minutes over a 20 hour run. The run is just so long that much more time than the 20 minute saved in exploits can be lost to RNG. It just isn't that big of a deal in a game where gain is so little compared to a perfectly clean run. If we're talking games where exploits can save minutes in runs that are measured in minutes then that's different. Just sitting down to speedrun something like Satisfactory is already a daunting task in time management and skipping sleep. They're going to lose more than the 20 minutes gained in bathroom breaks and going to get sandwiches.
This requires a lot of skill, you're a free to hate the idea, but at least admit it :) If you're anal enough, pole wires clipping buildings and terrain is an exploit of sorts, as any other soft clearance. I honestly doubt anyone would be inclined to SR satisfactory with hard NE rules.
@@Vatharian "pole wires clipping buildings and terrain is an exploit of sorts, as any other soft clearance." what are you on about dude ? thoses are game mechanics made by the devs, if they wanted to make things unclippable they could make it, but they decided not. same with soft clearance, it's a game mechanic made by the devs introduced with update 5. get it right. OOB and exploits are a complete other can of worm. if you dont know what you're talking about just say nothing next time.
@itsKimi Are you the _only_ one who hates OOB? No, that's WHY we have different *categories* -- those that want to watch a glitchless run can, and those that want to watch glitches can. That said, but it is a *bit disingenuous* to imply that people who abuse OOB are "unskilled." The time it takes to even _find_ OOB exploits in the first place, optimize THAT route, AND the ability to pull them off *consistently* definitely puts them in the skilled category. For the record I prefer a glitchless run but I also happen to enjoy _both_ glitchless and glitches -- because _everyone_ competing at these levels have immense patience and skill._ The discovery process of HOW someone optimized a route is part of the fun of watching.
![[WR] [NMG] Satisfactory Any% in 10:25:19!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZiFVG6h9zyg/mqdefault.jpg)
As someone who built a "Map Breaker" blueprint to deliberately go OOB for 3 categories of reasons, I think this hub and spawn trick is brilliant.
I can't imagine speedrunning Satisfactory though. For the same reason I don't do hot dog eating contests. 😂
I was actually trying some of the old Hypertube tricks to get OOB, didn't think about Blueprints. Just curious what your blueprint looks like (roughly) so I can build one and build under the map?
@@BrianKurtz-Red sure. I built mine before 1.0 and haven't rebuilt since. I'll say that the nudge feature makes it ten times better. Before that, you could only place in ideal circumstances.
The basic idea is:
1. A working hypertube entrance at the bottom and one at the top.
2. A diagonally long blueprint works well. I place the bottom "landing" at a bottom corner of the designer and have the top entrance at the opposing top corner of the designer. The entrance can be in the middle too. In some cases it helps to at least have some object in the top corner. This results in a blueprint whose center of mass is in the middle of the designer.
3. The landing area should prevent your pioneer from flying into the void. I find that platforms with railings are great for this. Test it above ground.
4. When placing, game the puts the center of blueprint at the above-ground spot where you point your build gun. For this reason, if you have a long blueprint, you can stick the landing platform into the bottom of a hill by pointing to the valley just before it. With nudge, you can move it another 8m.
5. There is no other way to force it down. So this doesn't work on flat ground. Even the "center of mass" I mentioned in #2 only works horizontally. So if you need to get under flat ground, find a nearby hill and from there see if you can build yourself a safe OOB route.
6. Not least, make sure that your bottom hypertube entrance has power, so you can get out. That's easy, just build it into the blueprint. Obviously you connect power above ground after you place it.
That covers everything I can think of, but ask if it doesn't. I don't make content, but I considered if I did I might start with this topic since I've never seen it done.
I feel like such a fool, I've been playing for 2 weeks since 1.0 launch, and it wasn't until just yesterday that I realized I could automate the dimensional depot. I was manually uploading everything. I had 41 mercer spheres just sitting in my inventory and I was like "shit, what do I do with these????"
Me too i had to see a image of someone having a crazy like 4x8 dimensional stacked. I feel like a fool knowing that you can use it like that
hahahaha.
Here's a tip, if you want more upload speed make multiple depots. There are upgrades to make it faster too but they cost exponentially more. If it costs 7 spheres to make it twice as fast and you really only need concrete and say encased beams to be faster you can just use 3 spheres for each and now they are 4x as fast for 6 spheres instead of twice as fast for 7. Most of the stuff you really don't need that much of anyway. Of course if you have enough spheres anyway you can get the upgrades though
@k0lpA This only works in the early game when you have very few items to upload, if you have to double every depot for the 30 or so item that I'm uploading now, it would be less efficient, or even impossible.
@@Nexurl ya at that point just pick a few to prioritize. like Concrete, Concrete, and Concrete.
How? It very clearly has an input.
Fun fact, going out of bound when respawning was first discover by Let's game it out in the episode where he build the Human Cannon at 2:42
I vote we call this trick HOOB, for "HUB Out Of Bounds"
NOOB - Nudging Out Of Bounds
awesome showcase. glitching into the doggo cave sounds like a fun way to start a run.
You, sir, never cease to amaze. Well done!
good day eh!
You can put miner in that first cave for SAM, and with lifts you can put them above ground and use that way. Of course you need to provide power
I remember before 1.0 the HUB was held together with scotch tape and good vibes. Any attempts to do something like this would have ended up with a bugged HUB or the HUB parts disappearing magically somewhere.
I still treat it like a house of leaves waiting for a breeze so seeing you build and destroy it so quickly gives me anxiety, lol.
That's such a cleaver trick
Nicely done utilizing 1.0 features :D
this is honestly even useful in normal playthroughs, to allow access to easy building space. Just put a hypertube down for easy access
You can do it with trains too!
I have a cool spot with non reachable sphere- - 222, -88 in centimeter(ingame map uses meters so just devide by 100). It placed in reel strange cave with no enterance in rocky desert next to the northern border of spawn circle.
You can reach it. The cave entrance is @ -229, -86 and has 2 rocks you need to blow up to get in there. Then you kill the stingers, follow the cave in and go up and over the rock bridge to -222, -88.
epi's been working on his clickbait title skills
CoffeeStain HATES him!
Not trying to nitpick, but for me on mobile the music was WAY too loud around 2:30
Quite the epiphany! this seems like something the Satsifactory devs will want to fix
I actually don't think so! A lot of casual players make use of OOB to do really fun things, like building massive underground subways and subterranean factories. Maybe they'll tweak the not-actually-hidden items, but going out of bounds itself is treated as a "feature" these days
Can you get into that Sanctum monster cave with that? Don't know if it is still in the game and if it has anything to offer for a speedrun, but it was a nice easter egg when it first was discovered. Haven't been there but maybe there is a sommersloop or sphere in there?
I'm not sure what that cave is! Where's it located?
I still prefers using trains, but good to know
That's insane!
can you get the mercer ball at rocky desert by doing this? cus that one is buggy under ground
What happens if you die without a hub?
You respawn back in the original biome you selected. We use that for returning back from a hard drive run :)
Kinda bonkers that you don't lose your inventory to a deposit crate on hitting 'Respawn'.
It's a setting now! You can choose to keep nothing, your equipment, or everything on death
@@EpiphaneSpeedruns oh didn't know that. Thanks!
Its bonkers how many ppl dont look at the settings before hitting play. Really? you dont wanna see what keys do what and maybe change some audio and see what features the game has?
@@Alx56 This is my 3rd playthrough so no, by now I don't care anymore, I know all the keys there are, I just hit play.
Besides I prefer the default settings where you don't basically cheat your inventory back after respawning 😉
There's no need to judge someone for not looking at the game settings with every update. Most of those fields didn't change with 1.0, in fact I didn't know about this until someone told me where to look too. Not to mention most people are interested in playing the game first, and with a tutorial as effective as Satisfactory's there should be no need to use the game options until much later.
Would this tech be considered a major glitch for the categorization?
It is not. Other glitches like Dimensional Depot Dupe are much more impactful, whereas all discovered applications of this save minutes at most
This is the stuff of @SummoningSalt videos.
Suuupercool, but damn the music is loud
Are there glitched and unglitched speedruns for Satisfactory? I know you discussed on stream a if out of bounds was a major or minor glitch, but as a 'normal' player of Satisfactory I would consider OOB a glitch. Not sure how other games handle it in their speedrun communities.
But cool strat non-the-less
There are glitched and NMG speedruns, but no categories cover "zero glitches". Satisfactory is difficult to reason about because, in many other games a glitch is either ineffective/counterproductive or a serious time save. Because the scale of time savings when doing things like OOB is small compared to, say, item duplication, we're considering it fun and cool but ultimately not game-changing
@@EpiphaneSpeedruns I have learned a lot from watching you and its impressive, I cant even do the animation cancelling to decrease the time spent removing the deposits above the ore nodes.
Very clever!
I guess I could just test this, but what happens when you die and you haven't placed the hub? Do you still spawn?
You respawn in your original biome. We use that during crash site runs to return back to base quickly! :)
you spawn in the same region where you spawned at the beginning of the game. That's also used in runs. Have your base in that region, go on an adventure with the hub, hub jump a whole lot, then delete hub, respawn and you're back at your factory in less than a minute.
Fascinating. My fun is never dying and playing the game slow. I respect that you hot dog contestants have a valid play style and admirable skills.
HAHAHA nice one!
when u respawn you lose everything but equipment
There's a gameplay setting for keeping everything on death now
You need to take a look at the settings. Equipment is default, Nothing and Everything are the other 2 alternatives
I know there is a whole speedrun community for Satisfactory but to me a speed run is anything under 60 hours. lolz
he did it in 21hrs
Amazing!!
The hub teleporting really ruins the prospect of speedrunning, imo. It's like finding the legend of zelda skip which takes you straight to the end of the game. You've successfully optimized the fun out of the game. No one is benefiting from this.
... I dont think you realise your entire argument hinges on your personal definition of 'fun'.
@@jolienewashington342
I for one hope this gets patched. It's too game breaking. Even vanilla gameplay is detrimentally affected. I doubt it will get patched, but I hope it does.
People have been using this in vanilla gameplay for years, building underground factories and subways for fun. An important distinction to make for the speedrunning argument is taking into account the scale. We're talking about avoiding a couple minutes of running in a straight line, not skipping milestones. The better equivalent to an adventure game would be if you could skip through an unlocked door instead of waiting for it to open. Saves you seconds but doesn't fundamentally change what you can and can't do
am i the only one who hate OOB speedruns and other exploits ? i would 100% prefer watching a skilled speedrun rather than just abusing this kind of stuff :/
Does running for 2 extra minutes come off as more skilled than finding a way to clip into the floor, aim, and then quickly and accurately place buildings in a specific location while falling to your death?
To be clear, it's fine to say you don't like watching speedruns that use glitches instead of 100% as-intended gameplay. But to add an implication that putting more time and effort in makes someone unskilled is kind of rude to speedrunners in general (this applies to all games, not just SF)
In Satisfactory specifically the runs are so long that I don't care a whole lot. People go on 4-5 hard drive runs early mid-game when they matter and they're only saving 2-3 minutes per exploit each time at the pace they move. In total it's maybe 20 minutes over a 20 hour run. The run is just so long that much more time than the 20 minute saved in exploits can be lost to RNG. It just isn't that big of a deal in a game where gain is so little compared to a perfectly clean run. If we're talking games where exploits can save minutes in runs that are measured in minutes then that's different. Just sitting down to speedrun something like Satisfactory is already a daunting task in time management and skipping sleep. They're going to lose more than the 20 minutes gained in bathroom breaks and going to get sandwiches.
This requires a lot of skill, you're a free to hate the idea, but at least admit it :) If you're anal enough, pole wires clipping buildings and terrain is an exploit of sorts, as any other soft clearance. I honestly doubt anyone would be inclined to SR satisfactory with hard NE rules.
@@Vatharian "pole wires clipping buildings and terrain is an exploit of sorts, as any other soft clearance." what are you on about dude ? thoses are game mechanics made by the devs, if they wanted to make things unclippable they could make it, but they decided not. same with soft clearance, it's a game mechanic made by the devs introduced with update 5. get it right. OOB and exploits are a complete other can of worm. if you dont know what you're talking about just say nothing next time.
@itsKimi Are you the _only_ one who hates OOB? No, that's WHY we have different *categories* -- those that want to watch a glitchless run can, and
those that want to watch glitches can.
That said, but it is a *bit disingenuous* to imply that people who abuse OOB are "unskilled." The time it takes to even _find_ OOB exploits in the first place, optimize THAT route, AND the ability to pull them off *consistently* definitely puts them in the skilled category.
For the record I prefer a glitchless run but I also happen to enjoy _both_ glitchless and glitches -- because _everyone_ competing at these levels have immense patience and skill._ The discovery process of HOW someone optimized a route is part of the fun of watching.