Hey fomo I asked about teaching picture settings. What I meant by picture settings was the individual sets within the picture settings. I understand that picture settings as a whole is subjective. But teaching people the individual settings for example on LG OLED brightness pixel brightness adjust Black Level Auto Dynamic contrast Peak brightness gamma turning them up turning them down and what different numbers can do is what I was meaning. I'm not a content creator and it might be way more time and way more costly than it's worth. But so many people just plug their TV in and put it on a setting and go and then they find themselves absolutely not happy and the only way they know how to change it is by having it taken back and trying a new one which can be exhausting and costly in itself
I am on a super budget. Recently, I upgraded my 40" 1080P Samsung to the 50" 4K Samsung DU7200 for only $329 on sale at Best Buy. It's edge-lit but not all that thin. Oddly enough, the back panel does get warm, but not at the edges, it's warm in the center. But, even if it lasts half as long as the other TV's you mentioned, it's 1/3 the price. I'm 74 and collecting social security so my income is limited and I got what I could afford.
I've noticed that the 800C, amongst other Samsungs, but mostly the 8K models, have visible LEDs. i.e. you can actually see the LEDs and their location. Pure junk. Mostly noticeable when blue is on screen, like a blue sky.
I bought a 77 inch LG C3 oled for 2000$ + a cashback of 500$. I'm very happy with that decision. It was a steal. But it's always the risk of burn in. I hope that doesn't become an issue for at least 6 years
I wish that you would have addressed the possibility of OLED burn in for certain users. My professionally calibrated LG E7 has finally shown this. I can’t complain too much after this many years, but I tend to keep my TVs for a fairly long time (there’s still a Pioneer 600m Kuro in the basement). My use case still has quite a bit of SDR cable and streaming, so processing is extremely important. To be fair, both you, Brian, and others address this in your detailed reviews. So, the 65” E7 will find a new home, and replacement contenders are the 85 inch Bravia 9, one of the remaining X95Ls, or possibly the new LG QNED 90T. I’m eagerly awaiting the results of this weekend’s upcoming shootout. If the Hisense U9N ever hits the market and gets a timely review, I’ll consider it, as well as the Samsungs. I was tempted by last year’s Hisense UX at this year’s blow out price but I’ll hold out. Keep up the good work.
LED can burn in as well, just has a lower chance. The damn things aren't built to last 10+ years anymore, whichever tv you buy will probably fail before you have burn in issues OLED or not. Also modern OLED's don't have a burn in issue unless you're watching something like CNN 24/7 with their silly banner.
I have C6 with no burn in but it does have a weird vertical bar that is only visible on light backgrounds- I also have a C1 83 that has terrible venetian blinding that looks like complete crap in the greys - I get mad while watching it all the time.
Thank you, everyone who's not a tech nerd should save this video for future reference when tv shopping. You truly simplified a lot of tv types confusion.
I've been listening to your videos for over a year, you helped me successfully choose my living room tv and I particularly like how you didn't over complicate this video break down. Straight to the main points and easy to follow. Well done
You skipped over the person who wants a quality TV the sits 6-10 feet away but doesn’t have the wall space or want the eyesore of more than 65” to watch movies and Netflix and can’t imagine paying more for a 5 year max lifespan TV than they paid for their first car.
Thank you, the FOMO review helped me with my Sony x95L, because I use it with my computer and don't want to risk burning the image. FOMO said that it doesn't have to happen, but according to rtings test, reddit, LG G3 had a burn-in problem. As a monitor, OLED is still a risk and it was confirmed by LG itself that this is not covered by the warranty, I reached out to LG and they wrote me back. That for my use OLED is not a good idea and I should choose another TV or another brand.
They specifically said you cannot take there test as evidence for that. It’s WAYYYYY too small a sample size. Just because 1 or a couple tvs had a problem doesn’t indicate something being a widespread issue.
I've had the A90J for three years and could upgrade to any display but there isn't any logical reason to. It's bright enough for me and the picture is stellar.
According to the secret Sony service menu I've got over 25,000 hours on my X95K. It was a best buy open box so I guess it ran 24/7 but I've been using it heavily for over a year now with zero issue and for $800 I'm not complaining. An LCD made with quality capacitors in the power supply is going to give you your money's worth no doubt about it.
Hi fomo. Hope you and your family fine. Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the shootout. Not for what it is but what you and brian make it userfriendly , very knowledgeable and funfilled. Thanks a lot.
I’m LG 65” E7/C1 OLED now, but TCL’s QN851G at 98” is tempting for a living-room upgrade. 83” v 98” and next year’s TCL 115” as a possibility makes things super hard. I fell in love with OLED because of the blacks, but TCL proves mini-LED is doing blacks justice now. Thoughts FOMO & FOMO fam?
You failed to mention that OLEDs in ANY form or technology CAN'T SUSTAIN the brightness for a long time and the degrade more rapidly than LCD/LED TVs. Also, even the bright LG pales in a bright room environment , that IS the most common TV environment around the world
How bright of a room is bright? Are we talking just your normal ambient light from windows with the curtains closed or wide open windows and every available light turned on? I would think it's a relative term. For example, I live in a 2bdrm apt and my current old TV sits across from a big glass west facing sliding door to my balcony that has dark curtains that stay closed pretty much 24/7. Just opening them slightly creates a glare that's annoying. The only light entering the space is from light bleed around those curtains and ambient light from other parts of the apt; kitchen, bathroom, and bedroom windows that have closed vertical blinds.
@@droidattack2888 The edge lighted TVs are the most common to fail, or those that are always driven hard at max brightness. My experience in TV stations favors LCD TV for their durability and less processing to protect organic compounds that by nature degrades. Having gone through CRTs, PLASMAs and OLEDs, my preference and recommendations are still good LCDs. That could change if Microleds ever make it to the common public.
@@droidattack2888 I have 4 TVs in my house, an old Samsung 32' with CCFL tubes for backlight, a 40 "Samsung with LED backlight, a Panasonic 55" LED set with 360 backlight Comtrol and the main TV is a 75" Sony also with LED full array backlight. The older Samsung was the first Samsung sold in the USA with an ATSC-1 tuner. All are running as new, and I calibrated them. I have had experience with TVs since the late '40s as a rf Engineer and had experienced a lot of burn in since then. The first LCD TVs had a problem with the color filters that degraded with UV light from the backlight and the surrounding fluorescent lights. Manufactures solved this problem immediately. We use LCDs in our TV studios and production all around and OLEDs only for color grading under light-controlled venues. When someone ask me for advice on a TV, I ALWAYS ASK for their viewing environment and the majority of them aren't favorable for OLEDs, no matter what "experts" say.
Motion blur and Ghosting is mini led TV's greatest flaw.without a doubt OLED close to instant pixel response blows mini led out of the water when it comes to gaming
Look at the new Bravia, not a big issue anymore at all. OLED is old and flawed tech that doesn't get bright enough and has bad longevity with inevitable burn in issues sooner or later.
Nice video FOMO with helpful info. Interesting that you say you would put the G4's and S95D's brightness up there with the Bravia 9. You should know since you've compared with the reference monitor 😃. Lots of folks still balk at OLED"s lack of full screen brightness compared to MiniLEDs and lower peak brightness (~1500nits OLED vs ~3000nits+ for MiniLeds). Are you saying that real world watching, the difference isn't that great?
Correct - full screen brightness (100% stimulus white) of the Bravia 9 is brighter but that does not exist in real content. The Bravia 9 is bright and arguably among the brightest on window stimulus tests but in real content the G4 and S95D match it scene for scene (65" size of course). ALSO, please remember that firmware updates may improve B9 performance or worsen OLED performance so things may change in 3 mnonths!
People's that leave comments like I watch the new, sports, and its on in the back round, or my room is very bright. Just get a mini led but in no way are you actually trying to watch tv the best way possible. Local dimming zones and bright rooms will never have the best hdr picture. Whats to argue about and be confused about. I never get that depth that oled and qd oled give me.
GREAT Breakdown...I'm looking for a 55" that's the great for Live Sports and Streaming . Looking for GOOD Upscaling as well with Good Viewing Angles . I don't game at all. Going from a Panasonic ST60 Plasma that still looks great....The Sony A95L
I ditched my S95B for a Sony Bravia7. This is the most impressive TV I have ever had. My previous TVs were: Panasonic VT 20EA,LG B7, Samsung S95B. As you can see this is my first LED TV. Bravia 7 outclassed all those tvs except OLEDS pitch blacks but B7 has a very good backlight system even in a pitch black room,the blooming is invisible. Brightness,color saturation,shadow details,color accuracy significantly outclassed my previous TVs. I was an OLED fanatic but not anymore
@Icipher4 Color accuracy,saturation,higher color volume,way higher brightness. This TV reaches over 2.000nits in it's most accurate picture preset. The processor. Even sub HD images looks outstanding. Dolby Vision content on this TV dropps my jaw on the floor everytime.
@@cenktheangel very cool. I have an S90C 77 in which is basically the same TV as S95B on my main floor and have a 85-in Bravia being delivered on Sunday but have been second guessing myself and hoping that it will be at least as good if not better than the Samsung I currently have. Has your Bravia 7 been able to keep up in darker scenes? Are you really noticing any weaknesses compared to the OLED?
@Icipher4 My complaints with OLEDS were: WOLEDs lose alot of color saturation,accuracy and brightness under higher brightness conditions and totally the reverse on QDOLEDs lose alot of saturation,accuracy under lower brightness conditions. Due to self emmissive characteristics OLEDs are really bad in terms of shadow details (acknowledged it after I bought the B7) Backlight system of this TV is literally very good. I am a person who watches his TV mostly on a dark room and Backlight works extremely impressive,even on DV content never noticed any blooming or grayed black bars. The viewing angle of course is very poor compared to OLED but it is a no issue for cos I always watch TV directly on front of it. Contrast is very good but again not OLED level also not an issue cos it delivers really contrastfull,bright and accuratly saturated images.
Recently bought TCL X955 after owning 3 OLED TVs earlier, 77” C1 being the last. Do I prefer the inky black from OLED, of course. But with the contrast control and size of the mini leds, easy choice. Now with 98” I would probably need a 100+ OLED to make the next switch.
I am looking for a 100”to 120” tv I have looked at the Hisense U LED U8 Mini-LED versus the TCL Q LED ULTRA Q M8 QD Mini LED ULTRA so which is the best tv for shortness and color
When comparing Rtings's reviews for the Sony non mini-LED X90L with the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8, I'd still go with the Sony. After comparing the Rtings reviews, I'm still satisfied with my X90L even though it might have more blooming and its highlights might not get as bright because of its accuracy and the various other areas of importance to me it excels in all at once. I got my Sony 85-inch X90CL from Costco for $2,000 in December of 2023 and even after checking out Rting's reviews of the 2024 offerings, I couldn't be happier about how the Sony X90CL falls perfectly within that sweetspot of performance, size, and price. I still wait for its rival within this sweetspot, but none of the reviews have revealed such results at this moment.
@@stopthefomo It depends on what's more important I guess. For this price range, if deep black levels, minimal blooming, and extra bright specular highlights are most important, then the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8 would be the way to go. If pre-calibration color accuracy, shadow detail, gradient handling, and PQ EOTF tracking are more important, then for the price, I prefer the Sony X90L from 2023 which is still being carried over. At this price, we have to pick our poison. If money was no object, I'd have a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95L on the other cart. I'd choose which one to roll into my viewing area based on ambient lighting, time of day, what I'm watching, etc.. While not many of us can afford it including myself, having a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95l on another cart is perfection. My reservations about the LG G4 is its less saturated color due to its WOLED panel.
are the S90D's safe to get yet? are they all QD-OLEDs now? i was in bestbuy today. and the display model was the same super thin frame as the S95B i have. i thought they upgraded the frame back on the S90C even? is there a model number to look for? please assist. wth is the S85D? is that all W-OLED's? are S90D all QD-OLED in USA?
I am looking for a 100”to 120” tv I have looked at the Hisense U LED U8 Mini-LED versus the TCL Q LED ULTRA Q M8 QD Mini LED ULTRA so which is the best tv for shortness and color 2:03
I have a 77 Sony A80J and I'm very happy with it!!!!! I stream Netflix,prime,etc. I also watch movies on blu ray and 4k blu rays!!! If I upgrade it will probably be a QD OLED 83 inch whenever they come out with it!!!! I wonder if the QD OLED is worth the upgrade????????
Awesome information. We are buying a new TV for our living room and was going with the Sony Bravia but our couch is long so I need the OLED since I normally am regulated to the end of the sofa....hahahaha! Thank you so very much.
I have an acient 2011 LED edge lit 3D Sharp TV that's keeps going and going. That thing has been on for an average of 16 hours a day, every day since I got it in 2011. Still looks great, but has been relegated to bedroom use. Wonder if newer TV's will last that long?
Good stuff, thanks. The spreadsheet you put together in previous years helped me a ton btw. I will say that I think the Frame looks great in a bright room. Not sure what it is, but looks better than a Edge-lit has any right to. Maybe it's the help of the Matte screen destroying all reflections too. Some of the art that they have on there though def. suffers from the lack of true black. Looks more grey than anything else.
Awesome explanation. Thanks for sharing. I can't justify replacing my 65" LG nano (I assume some type of QLED), but at least I understand it a bit better. I just picked up what is termed a "mini LED" ultra wide monitor for my PC. It seems to do much much better with blacks and blooming.
I thought leds to be pretty reliable which could last longer. But just sometime ago my sony x90j right part started blinking. I cant believe tv that costs so much could have such problem
FOMO - I can get the Samsung QN90C in 85" for $2k (government employee discount). Good deal? I have a large, bright room with lots of windows and the TV faces the lake (additional reflection/glare) so OLED is out of the question. I also do exactly ZERO gaming. Thanks.
QD7 is -- QLED . U7N is mini led ! Mini led r way better . Usually 4X local dimming zones ! QD7 still good tho . It’s good entry mid range QLED . For example Sony X90L is -- QLED . Sony X93L n X95L r mini LED . Then SONY X85K(matted screen ) , X80K r -- old tech direct LED . No local dimming , kinda like premium version of Hisense Roku entry . Not even the Roku with QLED(still glossy ) . QD7 is innsane value . It’s d best thing for lowest cost . But U7K is much advanced , brighter , higher local dimming , better speakers (🔊 with sub woofer ? U7N U8K U8N has high end chip -- can do 4k “^7^ 144hz 🖥️ pc Gamming . Console 120hz plug in n play. I assume QLED qd7 is has lesser HZ. Just fine toning also ULED line has 18 feet high sensitivity Voice command sensor Z u can talk to TV 📺 talk to tv remote . It can search “👀…. Show “ u don’t have to type it out on key board or SHOUT at the TV for voice commands . U can tell tv to shut off etc . Lots perks.
Excellent topic as always FOMO, thank you FOMO, would do you go with 85inch x85k Sony for 8 feets viewing distance or should i get 65" flagship oled tv?
@@muzaaaaak Yes, but the S90D is pretty much as good, depending on your needs better, than the S95D. Image quality wise the difference is neglectible. Only issue is Samsung doesn't guarantee that you'll get the latest panel with the S90D.
@@muzaaaaak Oh wait, I missed that you were talking about 83". Then S90D and C4 use the same panel. But LG is better at processing etc., so I'd go for the C4. Easy one.
hi, i am eyeing on Samsung QN900D 85inch, LG C4 83inch, or bravia 9 85inch. Viewing distance is about 10f away from the TV, the largest TV that i can fit is 85inch. I am not a gamer and we are watching movie and daily TV programme. Which one would you recommend for my setting?
IMO, I think micro contrast needs to speperated from blooming going forward. Bravia 9 makes blooming acceptable for even most oled fans.... But, within a bright scene lots of detail is created through micro contrast. Would love to see this topic discussed.
I have had my edge lit tv for 8 years and it wasent new when i baught its a 2014 model and still going strong panasonic king off picture quality and durability
What's the best option for watching movies /tv series in a dark room? No sports or broadcast television, I'm thinking about LG g3 77 for the black Friday, but that size is never in stock on the LG website
mancave is 24 long 21 wide sit around 12 ft away people over they sit everywhere ...have the 2019 65 lg b9 should i get 85 inch u8n open box qn85c for 1500 or 100 inch u76 ..only watch sports minor gaming and movies
The only real difference between older FALD LED backlights and Mini LED is the price, a high quality LED diode purchased individually costs about a dollar (from flashlight suppliers), even at half that rate a TV with thousands of zones would be prohibitively expensive. Mini LED is just an economic requirement for thousands of zones. That said Mini LED really needs thousands of zones to justify its price.
Edge Lit is no go scrap! Direct Lit is by cheap the way to go Mini LED under 50" are only available from Samsung with VA Panel, scrap Mini LED with IPS Panel only from LG at 55" OLED are availible at 42" I want a TV under 50" with Mini LED Fald (with many Dimming Zones) and IPS Panel but its still not exist :(
Thanks for your insight. I am stuck in FOMO! Ordered an U76N 100" ($2000) from Best Buy. It isn't mini LED but can't justify 50% more for U8 ($3,000) for mini. Do you think the U8 is worth the 50%? I'm not a gamer but do like old school (less than 4k) movies.
I’m trying to decide between a 65” qd OLED or a 75” mini led. It’s tough. Similar price, but I want a 75-77” tv as I’m viewing from 9’+ depending on the exact seat. Currently I have the s90d 65” and I do love it, I just wish it was a tad larger. But the 77” price is out of my reach.
My C1 83 sucks for gaming - there is a slight dirty screen effect in white/blues right in the middle of the screen - when my eye catches it, emersion is dead. This combined with the venetian blinding in greys makes this one of my worst purchases ever.
Does anyone do longevity tests? I have tvs from the 90s and early 2000s that still work great. I just want to know how long a tv will last. I hear TCL and Hisense do not last very long.
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Hey fomo I asked about teaching picture settings. What I meant by picture settings was the individual sets within the picture settings. I understand that picture settings as a whole is subjective. But teaching people the individual settings for example on LG OLED brightness pixel brightness adjust Black Level Auto Dynamic contrast Peak brightness gamma turning them up turning them down and what different numbers can do is what I was meaning.
I'm not a content creator and it might be way more time and way more costly than it's worth. But so many people just plug their TV in and put it on a setting and go and then they find themselves absolutely not happy and the only way they know how to change it is by having it taken back and trying a new one which can be exhausting and costly in itself
This is one hell of a breakdown Sir. Well done.
I am on a super budget. Recently, I upgraded my 40" 1080P Samsung to the 50" 4K Samsung DU7200 for only $329 on sale at Best Buy. It's edge-lit but not all that thin. Oddly enough, the back panel does get warm, but not at the edges, it's warm in the center. But, even if it lasts half as long as the other TV's you mentioned, it's 1/3 the price. I'm 74 and collecting social security so my income is limited and I got what I could afford.
Perhaps because its power board or cpu is in the centre of the tv
Yeah it's not the LED lights that get hot.
QN900D all day! The brightness and color and contrast is unbeatable. The S95D is good but the overheating causes it to dim constantly.
Have you used the S95D?
900D is beautiful but the Bravia 9 beats it all day
I've noticed that the 800C, amongst other Samsungs, but mostly the 8K models, have visible LEDs. i.e. you can actually see the LEDs and their location. Pure junk. Mostly noticeable when blue is on screen, like a blue sky.
I just got a 65" S95C for $1,547. I'm super stoked.
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I have a 77" Samsung S89C QD-OLED and I'm not buying any other kind of TV until microLED becomes affordable for the mass market.
Just ordered 65” S90C for $1500 from Best Buy!
I bought a 77 inch LG C3 oled for 2000$ + a cashback of 500$. I'm very happy with that decision. It was a steal. But it's always the risk of burn in. I hope that doesn't become an issue for at least 6 years
You should be good as long as it's not ridden hard the entire time
@@veilmontTV 1300hrs on my G3 and no problems so far. 50/50 gaming and movies.
I wish that you would have addressed the possibility of OLED burn in for certain users. My professionally calibrated LG E7 has finally shown this. I can’t complain too much after this many years, but I tend to keep my TVs for a fairly long time (there’s still a Pioneer 600m Kuro in the basement). My use case still has quite a bit of SDR cable and streaming, so processing is extremely important. To be fair, both you, Brian, and others address this in your detailed reviews. So, the 65” E7 will find a new home, and replacement contenders are the 85 inch Bravia 9, one of the remaining X95Ls, or possibly the new LG QNED 90T. I’m eagerly awaiting the results of this weekend’s upcoming shootout. If the Hisense U9N ever hits the market and gets a timely review, I’ll consider it, as well as the Samsungs. I was tempted by last year’s Hisense UX at this year’s blow out price but I’ll hold out. Keep up the good work.
LED can burn in as well, just has a lower chance. The damn things aren't built to last 10+ years anymore, whichever tv you buy will probably fail before you have burn in issues OLED or not. Also modern OLED's don't have a burn in issue unless you're watching something like CNN 24/7 with their silly banner.
OMG. If your still on burn in 2024 then Something is wrong with you.
Rtings don't even mention Burn-in anymore..
@@RedPillAlways you’re not the first person that’s said that. 😏
@@glenngross605 that should tell you something..
I have C6 with no burn in but it does have a weird vertical bar that is only visible on light backgrounds- I also have a C1 83 that has terrible venetian blinding that looks like complete crap in the greys - I get mad while watching it all the time.
Hey, FOMO are we going to get a review on the 85 inch B9 and a comparison between the 85 & the G4
I just got the Samsung S90C 77” for $1800……very happy with it. By the way it replaces my 60” Samsung plasma tv.
I am still anxiously waiting for the Hisense U9N. I wish it would hurry up! 🏇
I’m upgrading to a bigger tv from a 10 year old lcd to c3 oled with soundbar can’t wait for it to get here😊
I’m waiting until Black Friday for a LG G4 moving up from a Vizio 4K ledx from 2017 lol
Thank you, everyone who's not a tech nerd should save this video for future reference when tv shopping. You truly simplified a lot of tv types confusion.
I've been listening to your videos for over a year, you helped me successfully choose my living room tv and I particularly like how you didn't over complicate this video break down. Straight to the main points and easy to follow. Well done
I was about to pull the trigger on an 85" mini-LED Hisense, but then saw a 77" LG C3 OLED for $100 more. Didn't even have to think about it.
You skipped over the person who wants a quality TV the sits 6-10 feet away but doesn’t have the wall space or want the eyesore of more than 65” to watch movies and Netflix and can’t imagine paying more for a 5 year max lifespan TV than they paid for their first car.
Thank you, the FOMO review helped me with my Sony x95L, because I use it with my computer and don't want to risk burning the image. FOMO said that it doesn't have to happen, but according to rtings test, reddit, LG G3 had a burn-in problem. As a monitor, OLED is still a risk and it was confirmed by LG itself that this is not covered by the warranty, I reached out to LG and they wrote me back. That for my use OLED is not a good idea and I should choose another TV or another brand.
They specifically said you cannot take there test as evidence for that. It’s WAYYYYY too small a sample size. Just because 1 or a couple tvs had a problem doesn’t indicate something being a widespread issue.
I've had the A90J for three years and could upgrade to any display but there isn't any logical reason to. It's bright enough for me and the picture is stellar.
According to the secret Sony service menu I've got over 25,000 hours on my X95K. It was a best buy open box so I guess it ran 24/7 but I've been using it heavily for over a year now with zero issue and for $800 I'm not complaining. An LCD made with quality capacitors in the power supply is going to give you your money's worth no doubt about it.
Hi fomo. Hope you and your family fine. Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the shootout. Not for what it is but what you and brian make it userfriendly , very knowledgeable and funfilled. Thanks a lot.
TCL said its coming out with mini LED panels next year which will further improve viewing angles.
I’m LG 65” E7/C1 OLED now, but TCL’s QN851G at 98” is tempting for a living-room upgrade. 83” v 98” and next year’s TCL 115” as a possibility makes things super hard. I fell in love with OLED because of the blacks, but TCL proves mini-LED is doing blacks justice now. Thoughts FOMO & FOMO fam?
i’d be afraid the tcl wouldn’t last half as long as the LG
Gee I hope you keep making content. First time I listened to one of yours. Your a very good teacher. Thankyou.
Should i get hisense u7n or sony x90l for around the same price? Kindly share your thoughts 🙏🙏🙏
As we get into larger TVs, where is the discussion on power consumption (absolute and relative to older LCDs and plasma) as well as heat dissipation?
New tvs use WAY less power
I’m sticking with oled
me too!
Me too I got a G3 and I need my black level black and HDR bright
@@Zerohearts0 Can´t stand with green tint on WRGB panels... i wish i could.
Burn in? No thanks!
@@vazgaming7366 buy a new tv and upgrade no need to keep a tv for 7 years
It's either OLED or LCD (with some type of backlight), commercial use has Micro LED.
You failed to mention that OLEDs in ANY form or technology CAN'T SUSTAIN the brightness for a long time and the degrade more rapidly than LCD/LED TVs. Also, even the bright LG pales in a bright room environment , that IS the most common TV environment around the world
How bright of a room is bright? Are we talking just your normal ambient light from windows with the curtains closed or wide open windows and every available light turned on? I would think it's a relative term. For example, I live in a 2bdrm apt and my current old TV sits across from a big glass west facing sliding door to my balcony that has dark curtains that stay closed pretty much 24/7. Just opening them slightly creates a glare that's annoying. The only light entering the space is from light bleed around those curtains and ambient light from other parts of the apt; kitchen, bathroom, and bedroom windows that have closed vertical blinds.
Non oled fans fail to mention rtings testing recent oleds and leds that a lot of the leds were failing at the same rate just not to burn-in
@@droidattack2888 The edge lighted TVs are the most common to fail, or those that are always driven hard at max brightness. My experience in TV stations favors LCD TV for their durability and less processing to protect organic compounds that by nature degrades. Having gone through CRTs, PLASMAs and OLEDs, my preference and recommendations are still good LCDs. That could change if Microleds ever make it to the common public.
My lgc1 77 is still the same. By the time it dies, I will already have money to buy another one. Too much worry.
@@droidattack2888 I have 4 TVs in my house, an old Samsung 32' with CCFL tubes for backlight, a 40 "Samsung with LED backlight, a Panasonic 55" LED set with 360 backlight Comtrol and the main TV is a 75" Sony also with LED full array backlight. The older Samsung was the first Samsung sold in the USA with an ATSC-1 tuner. All are running as new, and I calibrated them. I have had experience with TVs since the late '40s as a rf Engineer and had experienced a lot of burn in since then. The first LCD TVs had a problem with the color filters that degraded with UV light from the backlight and the surrounding fluorescent lights. Manufactures solved this problem immediately. We use LCDs in our TV studios and production all around and OLEDs only for color grading under light-controlled venues. When someone ask me for advice on a TV, I ALWAYS ASK for their viewing environment and the majority of them aren't favorable for OLEDs, no matter what "experts" say.
Motion blur and Ghosting is mini led TV's greatest flaw.without a doubt OLED close to instant pixel response blows mini led out of the water when it comes to gaming
Look at the new Bravia, not a big issue anymore at all. OLED is old and flawed tech that doesn't get bright enough and has bad longevity with inevitable burn in issues sooner or later.
Oled has burn in
If you're really serious about gaming, you're not using a hdtv.
@@kenpe1455 How long are you keeping your TVs?
@@mikeydurden very long, 10 - 15 years
Great orientation for someone like me that has not been in the tv market for years. Thanks!!
I'm a really happy S95C owner. Wouldn't trade it in for any LCD in the world. Any. I'd rather have a significantly smaller screen.
Nice video FOMO with helpful info. Interesting that you say you would put the G4's and S95D's brightness up there with the Bravia 9. You should know since you've compared with the reference monitor 😃. Lots of folks still balk at OLED"s lack of full screen brightness compared to MiniLEDs and lower peak brightness (~1500nits OLED vs ~3000nits+ for MiniLeds). Are you saying that real world watching, the difference isn't that great?
Correct - full screen brightness (100% stimulus white) of the Bravia 9 is brighter but that does not exist in real content. The Bravia 9 is bright and arguably among the brightest on window stimulus tests but in real content the G4 and S95D match it scene for scene (65" size of course). ALSO, please remember that firmware updates may improve B9 performance or worsen OLED performance so things may change in 3 mnonths!
People's that leave comments like I watch the new, sports, and its on in the back round, or my room is very bright. Just get a mini led but in no way are you actually trying to watch tv the best way possible. Local dimming zones and bright rooms will never have the best hdr picture. Whats to argue about and be confused about. I never get that depth that oled and qd oled give me.
GREAT Breakdown...I'm looking for a 55" that's the great for Live Sports and Streaming . Looking for GOOD Upscaling as well with Good Viewing Angles . I don't game at all. Going from a Panasonic ST60 Plasma that still looks great....The Sony A95L
I ditched my S95B for a Sony Bravia7. This is the most impressive TV I have ever had.
My previous TVs were: Panasonic VT 20EA,LG B7, Samsung S95B. As you can see this is my first LED TV.
Bravia 7 outclassed all those tvs except OLEDS pitch blacks but B7 has a very good backlight system even in a pitch black room,the blooming is invisible.
Brightness,color saturation,shadow details,color accuracy significantly outclassed my previous TVs. I was an OLED fanatic but not anymore
Great choice. Mini leds are just superior overall imo. No more burn in anxiety too
You're liking the Bravia 7 more than the S95B? What are the biggest differences you notice?
@Icipher4 Color accuracy,saturation,higher color volume,way higher brightness. This TV reaches over 2.000nits in it's most accurate picture preset. The processor. Even sub HD images looks outstanding. Dolby Vision content on this TV dropps my jaw on the floor everytime.
@@cenktheangel very cool. I have an S90C 77 in which is basically the same TV as S95B on my main floor and have a 85-in Bravia being delivered on Sunday but have been second guessing myself and hoping that it will be at least as good if not better than the Samsung I currently have. Has your Bravia 7 been able to keep up in darker scenes? Are you really noticing any weaknesses compared to the OLED?
@Icipher4 My complaints with OLEDS were: WOLEDs lose alot of color saturation,accuracy and brightness under higher brightness conditions and totally the reverse on QDOLEDs lose alot of saturation,accuracy under lower brightness conditions.
Due to self emmissive characteristics OLEDs are really bad in terms of shadow details (acknowledged it after I bought the B7)
Backlight system of this TV is literally very good. I am a person who watches his TV mostly on a dark room and Backlight works extremely impressive,even on DV content never noticed any blooming or grayed black bars.
The viewing angle of course is very poor compared to OLED but it is a no issue for cos I always watch TV directly on front of it. Contrast is very good but again not OLED level also not an issue cos it delivers really contrastfull,bright and accuratly saturated images.
Bravia 9. The GOAT
Awesome 👍 I bought the 65 inch tclqm8 mini LED full array... awesome TV.
Recently bought TCL X955 after owning 3 OLED TVs earlier, 77” C1 being the last.
Do I prefer the inky black from OLED, of course. But with the contrast control and size of the mini leds, easy choice.
Now with 98” I would probably need a 100+
OLED to make the next switch.
I am looking for a 100”to 120” tv I have looked at the Hisense U LED U8 Mini-LED versus the TCL Q LED ULTRA Q M8 QD Mini LED ULTRA so which is the best tv for shortness and color
When comparing Rtings's reviews for the Sony non mini-LED X90L with the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8, I'd still go with the Sony. After comparing the Rtings reviews, I'm still satisfied with my X90L even though it might have more blooming and its highlights might not get as bright because of its accuracy and the various other areas of importance to me it excels in all at once. I got my Sony 85-inch X90CL from Costco for $2,000 in December of 2023 and even after checking out Rting's reviews of the 2024 offerings, I couldn't be happier about how the Sony X90CL falls perfectly within that sweetspot of performance, size, and price. I still wait for its rival within this sweetspot, but none of the reviews have revealed such results at this moment.
I'd choose it over last year's QM8 as well but this year's U8N is a beast and I would choose it over the X90L
@@stopthefomo It depends on what's more important I guess. For this price range, if deep black levels, minimal blooming, and extra bright specular highlights are most important, then the Hisense U8N and TCL 2024 QM8 would be the way to go. If pre-calibration color accuracy, shadow detail, gradient handling, and PQ EOTF tracking are more important, then for the price, I prefer the Sony X90L from 2023 which is still being carried over. At this price, we have to pick our poison. If money was no object, I'd have a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95L on the other cart. I'd choose which one to roll into my viewing area based on ambient lighting, time of day, what I'm watching, etc.. While not many of us can afford it including myself, having a Sony 85-inch Bravia 9 on one cart and a 77-inch Sony A95l on another cart is perfection. My reservations about the LG G4 is its less saturated color due to its WOLED panel.
are the S90D's safe to get yet? are they all QD-OLEDs now? i was in bestbuy today. and the display model was the same super thin frame as the S95B i have. i thought they upgraded the frame back on the S90C even? is there a model number to look for? please assist. wth is the S85D? is that all W-OLED's? are S90D all QD-OLED in USA?
Great video Fomo. Still love all your work buddy. Fomo is the G4 as colourful as a top end mini led.
I am looking for a 100”to 120” tv I have looked at the Hisense U LED U8 Mini-LED versus the TCL Q LED ULTRA Q M8 QD Mini LED ULTRA so which is the best tv for shortness and color 2:03
I have a 77 Sony A80J and I'm very happy with it!!!!! I stream Netflix,prime,etc. I also watch movies on blu ray and 4k blu rays!!! If I upgrade it will probably be a QD OLED 83 inch whenever they come out with it!!!! I wonder if the QD OLED is worth the upgrade????????
Awesome information. We are buying a new TV for our living room and was going with the Sony Bravia but our couch is long so I need the OLED since I normally am regulated to the end of the sofa....hahahaha! Thank you so very much.
Great informative video! I just bought the Sony Bravia Mini LED QLED and it’s awesome!
I have an acient 2011 LED edge lit 3D Sharp TV that's keeps going and going. That thing has been on for an average of 16 hours a day, every day since I got it in 2011. Still looks great, but has been relegated to bedroom use. Wonder if newer TV's will last that long?
Good stuff, thanks. The spreadsheet you put together in previous years helped me a ton btw. I will say that I think the Frame looks great in a bright room. Not sure what it is, but looks better than a Edge-lit has any right to. Maybe it's the help of the Matte screen destroying all reflections too. Some of the art that they have on there though def. suffers from the lack of true black. Looks more grey than anything else.
Awesome explanation. Thanks for sharing. I can't justify replacing my 65" LG nano (I assume some type of QLED), but at least I understand it a bit better. I just picked up what is termed a "mini LED" ultra wide monitor for my PC. It seems to do much much better with blacks and blooming.
I thought leds to be pretty reliable which could last longer. But just sometime ago my sony x90j right part started blinking. I cant believe tv that costs so much could have such problem
Finally something I understand. Thank you sir!! Bravo 🎉
FOMO - I can get the Samsung QN90C in 85" for $2k (government employee discount). Good deal? I have a large, bright room with lots of windows and the TV faces the lake (additional reflection/glare) so OLED is out of the question. I also do exactly ZERO gaming. Thanks.
Just the video I needed
What about the S90C if you can still find one. My local Costco still has them. The $1499 price has not budged.
3:56 Great tv technology breakdown😊 I am 5:18 very happy still with my Samsung S95B. A awesome tv no doubt. Fits my use case nicely.😊
Excellent Video!! You are one of the Master Reviewers for televisions!
Can you tell me the difference between the Hisense QD7 & U7N? Thanks man. Love your videos. 🙏🏾💜🤙🏾
QD7 is -- QLED . U7N is mini led !
Mini led r way better . Usually 4X local dimming zones ! QD7 still good tho . It’s good entry mid range QLED .
For example Sony X90L is -- QLED . Sony X93L n X95L r mini LED . Then SONY X85K(matted screen ) , X80K r -- old tech direct LED . No local dimming , kinda like premium version of Hisense Roku entry . Not even the Roku with QLED(still glossy ) .
QD7 is innsane value . It’s d best thing for lowest cost . But U7K is much advanced , brighter , higher local dimming , better speakers (🔊 with sub woofer ?
U7N U8K U8N has high end chip -- can do 4k “^7^ 144hz 🖥️ pc Gamming . Console 120hz plug in n play.
I assume QLED qd7 is has lesser HZ.
Just fine toning also ULED line has 18 feet high sensitivity Voice command sensor Z u can talk to TV 📺 talk to tv remote . It can search “👀…. Show “ u don’t have to type it out on key board or SHOUT at the TV for voice commands . U can tell tv to shut off etc . Lots perks.
Excellent topic as always FOMO, thank you FOMO, would do you go with 85inch x85k Sony for 8 feets viewing distance or should i get 65" flagship oled tv?
What type of TV should I get to use as a monitor for a Mac Mini?
Picked up the 85ux from hisense while it was on sale. How is that Tv?
Great video! Would you choose LG G3 or C4 for 60% pc gaming, 20% DVD/Blu-ray (with DTS concerts) and 20% streaming videos/lower quality content?
Excellent video. Thank you.
83” OLED. Torn between the C4 and S90D.
C4 is very dim
The S90D is a G3/G4 competitor, not a C3/C4 competitor. It's a no brainer, IMHO.
@@kadajawi2 s95 v G4
@@muzaaaaak Yes, but the S90D is pretty much as good, depending on your needs better, than the S95D. Image quality wise the difference is neglectible. Only issue is Samsung doesn't guarantee that you'll get the latest panel with the S90D.
@@muzaaaaak Oh wait, I missed that you were talking about 83". Then S90D and C4 use the same panel. But LG is better at processing etc., so I'd go for the C4. Easy one.
I am trying to decide between 65 and 77 inch tvs, for sports and movies! Future proof, so it will last a long time
Do you have an opinion about the Panasonic LED TV-65W93AE6?
Thank you.
I'm waiting on my Hisense u76n but best buy's system can't even figure out how to deliver it haha.
FOMO what s the better choise 83 INCHES LG G3 OR 77 INCHES LG G4 ?
hi, i am eyeing on Samsung QN900D 85inch, LG C4 83inch, or bravia 9 85inch. Viewing distance is about 10f away from the TV, the largest TV that i can fit is 85inch. I am not a gamer and we are watching movie and daily TV programme. Which one would you recommend for my setting?
IMO, I think micro contrast needs to speperated from blooming going forward. Bravia 9 makes blooming acceptable for even most oled fans.... But, within a bright scene lots of detail is created through micro contrast. Would love to see this topic discussed.
Very, very well explained. Thanks!
I have had my edge lit tv for 8 years and it wasent new when i baught its a 2014 model and still going strong panasonic king off picture quality and durability
I am extremely happy with my 77 inch G4. Never had to turn down brightness until now. 😅
Love watching YOUR VIDEOS !
Thank your so much for for the knowledge and info !
YOUR VIDEOS helps me understand lots more on TVs !
😉💖🖥💖💯👍👏👏👏
What's the best option for watching movies /tv series in a dark room? No sports or broadcast television, I'm thinking about LG g3 77 for the black Friday, but that size is never in stock on the LG website
It's all about the content you like to watch 😊
So what is a VA panel? Where does it stuck up agains these
I'd love you views on buying a large tv a a computer monitor.
Direct Lit gang! 🌞
mancave is 24 long 21 wide sit around 12 ft away people over they sit everywhere ...have the 2019 65 lg b9 should i get 85 inch u8n open box qn85c for 1500 or 100 inch u76 ..only watch sports minor gaming and movies
In TCL they have mini LED and qd mini LED TVs
So do their mini LED TVs dont have quantum dot?
we'll see but this applies only to the lower tier C755 and below in Europe - as soon as the lab confirms what's what, we'll post an updated video
The only real difference between older FALD LED backlights and Mini LED is the price, a high quality LED diode purchased individually costs about a dollar (from flashlight suppliers), even at half that rate a TV with thousands of zones would be prohibitively expensive. Mini LED is just an economic requirement for thousands of zones.
That said Mini LED really needs thousands of zones to justify its price.
Where does LG QNED fit in all of this?
Edge Lit is no go scrap!
Direct Lit is by cheap the way to go
Mini LED under 50" are only available from Samsung with VA Panel, scrap
Mini LED with IPS Panel only from LG at 55"
OLED are availible at 42"
I want a TV under 50" with Mini LED Fald (with many Dimming Zones) and IPS Panel but its still not exist :(
fomo, so would you not recommend a Bravia 9 for a console gamer?
@@Icipher4 Fantastic for console gaming
@@NexGenTekNot really the Bravia 9 is hazyyyy and washed out when gaming
@@itwasntoptional5114 No! Not at all. Deep Blacks and colorful
Thanks for your insight. I am stuck in FOMO! Ordered an U76N 100" ($2000) from Best Buy. It isn't mini LED but can't justify 50% more for U8 ($3,000) for mini. Do you think the U8 is worth the 50%? I'm not a gamer but do like old school (less than 4k) movies.
I am connecting it up to a surround sound system already in place. The built in speakers will not be a factor determining choice. @stoptheFOMO
Nice take!!!
You make the best videos
FOMO, Is burn in a thing on OLED anymore? I do watch news content during the day sometimes while working.
Of course it's still a thing. Atleast if you keep your tv longer than 5 years.
I haven't seen any reviews of the TCL Q6. They also have an 85 inch version
yes but it's strangely, not on sale so I didn't post it - I expect it to be $850 on Black Friday
will upgrade at some point, lg b7 since 2018 still going strgon, last lg lcd still going strong at my dads, either way it will be lg
I’m trying to decide between a 65” qd OLED or a 75” mini led. It’s tough. Similar price, but I want a 75-77” tv as I’m viewing from 9’+ depending on the exact seat. Currently I have the s90d 65” and I do love it, I just wish it was a tad larger. But the 77” price is out of my reach.
Oled has best viewing angles
The bigger you go, the more you want to go OLED if you have multiple spectators from different angles.
My C1 83 sucks for gaming - there is a slight dirty screen effect in white/blues right in the middle of the screen - when my eye catches it, emersion is dead. This combined with the venetian blinding in greys makes this one of my worst purchases ever.
tcl c855 vs hisense u8n winner?
Do you think QD-Oleds will get bigger next year?
QD-OLED or miniLED with quantum dots. The lack of colour on certain models make them look very bland
Hello fomo how are you
I want to buy lg g4 65 inch
In my country iraq the g4 does not come with a stand like us.
May you send to me one?
Does anyone do longevity tests? I have tvs from the 90s and early 2000s that still work great. I just want to know how long a tv will last. I hear TCL and Hisense do not last very long.
You want longevity, go Sony. The high price is because high quality electronic components -> they care about reputation. Never seen a dead Sony TV.
Please help me as no one else can , is the Samsung QN95 93c model the same tv as the 90c