With all due respect, at the age of 14 or 16, you don't have agency to exercise, especially under the authority of an evil human trafficker. But I truly appreciate your words, your work, and what you've brought to this space Ms. White. 🙏🏾
Hi Professor Hunter, this interview was hard to sit through. I have lived in and around the city of Richmond all of my 71 years. THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME. Symbolism hides reality. Recalm or Save what ? You don't own it. If things fall maybe it should. Could be Karma.
I learned about Ms. Sally Hemings in grade school. Our parents had to force the conversation to be taught (mid-late 80’s). I always had this weird interest in Ms. Hemings, like I have a kinship. So lucky to catch this conversation. This book will be in my home
My thoughts from this interview & others. Sally's day to day decisions are first from an Abused child valued as Property. Regarding her children-birthed from a Manipulative Abuser? As a mother & female whom I'm sure, attempted to navigate within a Sickened & Unlawful society, as best she could.
I KEEP ASKING THAT QUESTION TOO KAREN...why keep trying. im beginning to understand that the fight seems to start when we are fighting for fairness and justice and better life circumstances. but some of us still believe in the WE of this country; they believe in the mythological PROMISE, hence they believe it deserves saving. and then what happens is we get confused and lose ourselves in fighting other ppls battles. im of the position that the foundation, the fabric, the root upon which this country stands is toxic and rotten to the core. it will take a seismic event to change that (dont see that happening no time soon.) in the meantime where it stands now is unsustainable and other than fighting for fairness and justice and better life circumstance for my ppl i aint interested in trying to save this place. i say we all leave and leave them to their hate and ignorance. (AND DONT FORGET THE INDIGINEOUS, thats whole nother convo)
Thank you, Prof. Hunter, for introducing Gayle Jessup White, a guest with a very interesting story! If ever there was a "way of knowing" (as Dr. Carr so often opines), Aunt Peachy did, lol!! It's funny how as people we recall the same story but with a different understanding/appreciation for the characters that people that story. I'd love to hear more about her account of her famous ancestors as she seems like a great storyteller and her book would be a good read!! Btw, this was a great interview Prof. Hunter as your questions allowed the right comfort level for her to share!!💯
It comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization that of that very fact.
The late Wallace Terry (Janice Jessup) was her brother-in-law. He authored an informative book about the Vietnam War titled 'BLOODS Black Veterans of the Vietnam War: An Oral History'.
Karen, it comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization of that very fact.
They seem to satisfy their consciences with the doctrine that God created the “Africans” to be slaves. What a libel upon the Heavenly Father, who made of one blood all nations of men. And then, who are African? Who can measure the amount of Anglo-Saxon blood coursing in the veins of American slaves - Harriet Jacobs
Thank you for sharing your story, Ms White! It is empowering to have the knowledge of a great woman told. Karen, I'm curious to know what you think it would look like to see the country burn. I think about that too sometimes. How would it look when ALL the ugliness is exposed for the world to see. I wonder if anyone would even care since EVERYONE has some ugly in them. But what would THIS country look like?
“Why save a thing built on a lie?” That sent shivers down my spine. Is it time to reclaim it? Can we reclaim it? I choose to be hopeful despite what my eyes see 🙏🏾
I'm with Dr Carr, on the question of salvation for the USA. Let it burn to the ground and from the ashes let a phoenix rise up, or not, but definitely The Republic of New Afrika should be a part of that conversation! Looking forward can only be done once you know from where you came and who you are. If there's been no repair for the centuries of wickedness, which continues in 2021, then I can't see any redemption for that country.
We know about jefferson, it doesnt matter anymore. What benefit is it to read MORE about it? Can we spend our time figuring out what we can do to survive NOW in this country. This topic is moot at this point.
If I build the frame of my house with rotted wood, no matter how I tear open holes in the dry wall and shore up different parts falling down, how long and well is it going to stand? I like the lady's point that this is our country now and we should make it what we want but it is not going to be from from a spoiled and rotted beginnings that we improve upon, but instead we must use it as fertilizer to grow something entirely different.
Agreed. It comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization that of that very fact.
I don't like that lady. Lost and dismissive of the fact that everyone that survived enslavement is as honorable as her ancestor. She is no different than any other descendant of an enslaver. Hemmings was, no doubt, one of many, but she is one of the "romanticized" comfort stories that we are fed to focus our eyes from the horrible mess that true history confronts us with. Hopefully this interview will help her to deepen her understanding of her family history.
Grand Rising, Mama Karen and Mama Gail Sally Hemings was sexually abused by Thomas Jefferson who had no remorse when he immorally ruined her life. There’s nothing so called founding fatherly about Jefferson who was an oppressor and an immoral demon. Mama Karen you are so right that we aren’t taught about our glorious kingdoms in Ma Africa such as Timbuktu, Kemet, Dahomey, Cush and Ghana. Our leaders of our kingdoms such as Imhotep, Samory Ture, Ramses, Tutankhamen, Hannibal, Sheba, Hatshepsut etc. Africans being lawyers, architects, engineers, mathematicians, geologists, healers and farmers. Mama Gail, America isn’t your home have you forgotten that you were brought in chains like an animal?
This country cannot and DOES NOT want to saved. How can you save someone or something that doesnt want to be saved? Save it how? From who? From itself? How can you save anything when the PEOPLE domt want it? Let it burn. Statues are gone now but so what? The hearts and minds of people is the issue! I love my history and where I came from but this nation doesn't make who I am. I can take my heritage anywhere. Its in us. We are who we are no matter what nation we live in.
This was a good interview. It was interesting watching Ms. White romanticize her ancestor's relationship with the rapist/enslaver. I understand on 1 level and on another it seems like those days have past at least to me where it was a interesting novelty or badge of honor to say that you had family who was other than black. I always found that odd. I do respect her accomplishments etc. but I completely agree with Karen. I also like the conversation about how do you stand for a country that brutalizes/oppresses you. Learning about the history of the folks that arrived in this country and did what they did (still today), I've always recognized that we were learning about their history... IMO a form of indoctrination (I can see why we're in the situation we're in today where folks are rejecting that dishonorable eventuality). And, I always found it "interesting" to read how they exalted people who got what they got because how they did the most horrific things. The question... is this country worth saving? Can it be saved? I don't know but I think black people have stood in the gaps more than any since arriving... it may be that some other needs to step up and risk losing folks on the battlefield instead of the good ol' reliable black folk. That said... participation in the political dynamics affects you, everyone so even though many say do not etc etc you do that at your own peril. Interesting that folks understand decades ago how important it was and they lived in an apartheid situation with minimal rights if any, had little wealth, education etc but now the more affluent etc progeny thinks it's no longer needed useful or a duty. Unwise.
The way we rise up is what this nation was built on. We have to put on our grown peoples pants with belts. THIS IS TAXATION WITH OUT REPRESENTATION. We have to fight off the fear. Understand who we are who’s we are and stop being scared to BE WHO WE BE.
You might want to read the actual history. The story she told was originally related by Sally Hemings' SON Madison Hemings and recorded in a newspaper. That's how we have it. READ THE HISTORY. Sally was not in France on her own. She was there with her BROTHER James Hemings who was a TRAINED CHEF IN FRENCH CUISINE. She could have stayed in France with her brother and been protected. She wasn't alone. So however relations started between her and Jefferson, she had a choice whether to leave or stay. Granted, the revolution was coming in France. But James was SKILLED and they could have emigrated to England where they also would have been free and he certainly would have found work. They were already automatically free on French soil. But by all means go ahead and knee-jerk react to the Sally Hemings story. No one is excusing Jefferson's perversity. But many of us take her son Madison Hemings' recollections very seriously. And Madison Hemings said she had a choice to stay free in France or return to slavery in the United States. THAT is the mystery of Sally Hemings to ME. Her thought process, how she weighed the pros and cons and made her decision.
It's true there was some degree of choice and decision making on her part, that's definitely important and we should remember that. However, we should also remember that she was 14, a child forced to grow up to meet the sexual appetite of a grown ass man, when she went over there and all the rest of her family and everything she knew was still back in what we know as the United States. And that time in history was not our time so we cannot view her through our modern eyes: we have to take her in the context in which she existed.
No More Mystery: What prompted the negotiation and the reasons behind Sally's decision is this. She was pregnant. Jefferson explained to her that she was free on French soil, but those were his children - his property in her belly. Seeds he planted. I think she did the best she could do under the circumstances. Also there may be some legal ties upon claiming or "reclaiming" a homestead.
Gayle Jessup White and I are contemporaries. Coincidentally, my high school alma mater was named after her ancestor. Months ago, randomly wondering if there were descendents of Hemings and Jefferson alive today, I went down the rabbit hole. Discovered just this year that a public park in my childhood neighborhood, a mere blocks from my H.S., was named after his gggreatgrandson(?), a very prominent community member in South Central Los Angeles, Frederick Roberts. America's race issues are encapsulated in the Hemings/Jefferson story. Aside from Hemmings, at minimal being biracial, she was also, by blood, his sister-in-law. She was an enslaved child. The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American. Like Hemmings, many of us have a white ancestor. Certainly, not as relevant and prominent to the establishment of American democracy as Jefferson. There are interviews on RUclips with Roberts children. I walked away numb. Not that he was an adulterer or, an enslaver. Rather, of all men, he knowingly kept in bondage his own children! He was their father and was also their uncle! The building stones of America are the truths expressed in our constitution The lies are in the mortar, in this edifice we call democracy. Bound. One to another. This nation was built upon lands and, with hands that were not the enslavers. Not so much as a "Thank You". Structurally, we are unsound. The past several months, I have watched a property (est 1921) in the University of Southern California corridor consolidate their footprint after, like many properties, having sold a portion of their property to USC (est 1880). To build upwards on their now smaller lot they had to tear down. The old cement and rebar was indiscriminately hauled away. But those thousands of 100 year old bricks? By hand, I watched as workers meticulously, quickly and efficiently tapped off the 100 year old mortar from those old bricks. Them? They had a future. The mortar? Once on the ground, it became just more refuse to be swept up and hauled away. So we keep the truth and keep hammering away the lies. In so doing, our nation has a future. Sill. around half the nation does not want to put in the work to build. They would rather fight to death than thrive. But, "They love America". Their inheritance shall be in the mortar.
@@KarenHunterShow The manner in which Ms. White addressed Ms. Hunter's question/statement about the rape and sexual exploitation of the teenage Sally, suggests, in my view, that the family (the Jefferson clan) have agreed to "dress up" that aspect of the narrative by saying Sally had "agency" and was able to exercise choice and individuality... Even if that were true, it was " it was a day late and a dollar short"! The damage was already done!
Sally Hemings was the half-sister to Martha Jefferson (Thomas’s Jefferson’s wife). Supposedly Sally resembled her older sister after Martha’s death Thomas began his relationship with Sally. Sally and Martha’s father owned Sally’s mother.
Funny how I'm sure Thaddeus (Tadeusz) Kosciuszko would not be in agreement with this descendant! Goodness Gracious.. How does a psyche such as her own reach this level of denial... this really made me give up... works at Monticello...geeezuss
Great interview, Sis! No disrespect to this sister but I believe she is engaged and committed to the social structure and perhaps still romanticizing the mythology a bit. I don’t know the sister and could be wrong but it felt that way to me, particularly when you were asking her clear governance questions. That being said, we all are exploring, learning and trying to make some sense out of senselessness.
That was a great discussion when she talked about her father resenting his history and also being a man that could pass I felt that in my spirit that. #Sidenote Karen Where Are You Getting Your Hair Wraps😍
Warning: You will have to learn how to wrap...they sell the material. Tonya Pinkins thought they came already wrapped. I went on RUclips and taught myself.
Supposedly the "founding fathers" were against the idea of becoming an empire. But the settler project did indeed become an empire. Are we to continue to expend our energy to maintain this empire so it can continue to do what empires do, not only to the people within but around the world?
A lot of people seem to want to "let it burn"... Let it burn while you're in it? Where would you go while the dust settles? Do all of you have another country to flee to, that will greet you with open arms? Or you're convinced the fire will spare you? Explain this to me please.
With all due respect, at the age of 14 or 16, you don't have agency to exercise, especially under the authority of an evil human trafficker.
But I truly appreciate your words, your work, and what you've brought to this space Ms. White. 🙏🏾
❤️🖤🤎💚🔥🔥🔥✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾💐💐💐 I wouldn’t define your Stance as giving up, more as moving forward in ernest appreciation and focus in Our reality!!
Hi Professor Hunter, this interview was hard to sit through. I have lived in and around the city of Richmond all of my 71 years. THE MORE THINGS CHANGE THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME. Symbolism hides reality. Recalm or Save what ? You don't own it. If things fall maybe it should. Could be Karma.
Is she excusing him like he did something good by saying her children can be free🤨 REALLY!
Great interview! Professor Hunter, you ask great questions! Thank you!
She was a CHILD at that age. Her children SLAVED for 21 years. It was better than nothing but NOT GOOD!!!
I’m with you Professor Hunter…. What are we holding on to.
Peace! “Out of all our studies; history is most qualified to reward our research “-The Honorable Elijah Muhammad!!!!!
I learned about Ms. Sally Hemings in grade school. Our parents had to force the conversation to be taught (mid-late 80’s). I always had this weird interest in Ms. Hemings, like I have a kinship. So lucky to catch this conversation. This book will be in my home
My thoughts from this interview & others.
Sally's day to day decisions are first from an Abused child valued as Property. Regarding her children-birthed from a Manipulative Abuser?
As a mother & female whom I'm sure,
attempted to navigate within a Sickened & Unlawful society, as best she could.
I KEEP ASKING THAT QUESTION TOO KAREN...why keep trying. im beginning to understand that the fight seems to start when we are fighting for fairness and justice and better life circumstances. but some of us still believe in the WE of this country; they believe in the mythological PROMISE, hence they believe it deserves saving. and then what happens is we get confused and lose ourselves in fighting other ppls battles. im of the position that the foundation, the fabric, the root upon which this country stands is toxic and rotten to the core. it will take a seismic event to change that (dont see that happening no time soon.) in the meantime where it stands now is unsustainable and other than fighting for fairness and justice and better life circumstance for my ppl i aint interested in trying to save this place. i say we all leave and leave them to their hate and ignorance. (AND DONT FORGET THE INDIGINEOUS, thats whole nother convo)
Absolutely! Bye Felicia!
I’m so glad you asked the hard questions. The truth she was a child. This was hard to listen to her speak as if it were not. Smh
Thank You for telling the TRUTH!😎💯
Once again sis you brought me up a notch in knowledge and appreciation 😌 ☺ of a great clear conversation of what we need to know.
Thank you, Prof. Hunter, for introducing Gayle Jessup White, a guest with a very interesting story!
If ever there was a "way of knowing" (as Dr. Carr so often opines), Aunt Peachy did, lol!!
It's funny how as people we recall the same story but with a different understanding/appreciation for the characters that people that story.
I'd love to hear more about her account of her famous ancestors as she seems like a great storyteller and her book would be a good read!!
Btw, this was a great interview Prof. Hunter as your questions allowed the right comfort level for her to share!!💯
That question if “ why should we save it” was like an earthquake… ain’t no easy answer…I don’t think she answered the question.
It comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization that of that very fact.
The late Wallace Terry (Janice Jessup) was her brother-in-law. He authored an informative book about the Vietnam War titled 'BLOODS Black Veterans of the Vietnam War: An Oral History'.
I have that book. Great stuff my brother
@@joeyseven17teen6 I agree. His book set the stage for films like ‘Dead Presidents’ and Spike Lee’s latest film 'Da 5 Bloods'.
@@WestPhillyNative215 Absolutely! that book actually made me watch that movie lol
A 14 yr old? No words!
Karen, it comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization of that very fact.
They seem to satisfy their consciences with the doctrine that God created the “Africans” to be slaves. What a libel upon the Heavenly Father, who made of one blood all nations of men. And then, who are African? Who can measure the amount of Anglo-Saxon blood coursing in the veins of American slaves - Harriet Jacobs
Thank you for sharing your story, Ms White! It is empowering to have the knowledge of a great woman told.
Karen, I'm curious to know what you think it would look like to see the country burn. I think about that too sometimes. How would it look when ALL the ugliness is exposed for the world to see. I wonder if anyone would even care since EVERYONE has some ugly in them. But what would THIS country look like?
Absolutely Prof. Hunter,it' is a moot issue, it's not worth saving. We must start anew! All the paradigm are shifting, it is done!
“Why save a thing built on a lie?” That sent shivers down my spine. Is it time to reclaim it? Can we reclaim it? I choose to be hopeful despite what my eyes see 🙏🏾
The TRUTH doesn't equate to PROFIT! That is why the Corporations support and fund those that LIE and support LIES!
I'm with Dr Carr, on the question of salvation for the USA. Let it burn to the ground and from the ashes let a phoenix rise up, or not, but definitely The Republic of New Afrika should be a part of that conversation!
Looking forward can only be done once you know from where you came and who you are. If there's been no repair for the centuries of wickedness, which continues in 2021, then I can't see any redemption for that country.
We know about jefferson, it doesnt matter anymore. What benefit is it to read MORE about it? Can we spend our time figuring out what we can do to survive NOW in this country. This topic is moot at this point.
If I build the frame of my house with rotted wood, no matter how I tear open holes in the dry wall and shore up different parts falling down, how long and well is it going to stand? I like the lady's point that this is our country now and we should make it what we want but it is not going to be from from a spoiled and rotted beginnings that we improve upon, but instead we must use it as fertilizer to grow something entirely different.
Agreed. It comes to a point where we realize that some things (including people) CAN'T be saved because the time for their existence is UP. Continued life support to a dying thing is fruitless unless it brings us to the realization that of that very fact.
I don't like that lady. Lost and dismissive of the fact that everyone that survived enslavement is as honorable as her ancestor. She is no different than any other descendant of an enslaver. Hemmings was, no doubt, one of many, but she is one of the "romanticized" comfort stories that we are fed to focus our eyes from the horrible mess that true history confronts us with. Hopefully this interview will help her to deepen her understanding of her family history.
I'm done
Grand Rising, Mama Karen and Mama Gail
Sally Hemings was sexually abused by Thomas Jefferson who had no remorse when he immorally ruined her life.
There’s nothing so called founding fatherly about Jefferson who was an oppressor and an immoral demon.
Mama Karen you are so right that we aren’t taught about our glorious kingdoms in Ma Africa such as Timbuktu, Kemet, Dahomey, Cush and Ghana. Our leaders of our kingdoms such as Imhotep, Samory Ture, Ramses, Tutankhamen, Hannibal, Sheba, Hatshepsut etc.
Africans being lawyers, architects, engineers, mathematicians, geologists, healers and farmers.
Mama Gail, America isn’t your home have you forgotten that you were brought in chains like an animal?
This country cannot and DOES NOT want to saved. How can you save someone or something that doesnt want to be saved? Save it how? From who? From itself? How can you save anything when the PEOPLE domt want it? Let it burn. Statues are gone now but so what? The hearts and minds of people is the issue! I love my history and where I came from but this nation doesn't make who I am. I can take my heritage anywhere. Its in us. We are who we are no matter what nation we live in.
I like that title myth busters ❤️♠️💚
This was a good interview. It was interesting watching Ms. White romanticize her ancestor's relationship with the rapist/enslaver. I understand on 1 level and on another it seems like those days have past at least to me where it was a interesting novelty or badge of honor to say that you had family who was other than black. I always found that odd. I do respect her accomplishments etc. but I completely agree with Karen.
I also like the conversation about how do you stand for a country that brutalizes/oppresses you. Learning about the history of the folks that arrived in this country and did what they did (still today), I've always recognized that we were learning about their history... IMO a form of indoctrination (I can see why we're in the situation we're in today where folks are rejecting that dishonorable eventuality). And, I always found it "interesting" to read how they exalted people who got what they got because how they did the most horrific things. The question... is this country worth saving? Can it be saved? I don't know but I think black people have stood in the gaps more than any since arriving... it may be that some other needs to step up and risk losing folks on the battlefield instead of the good ol' reliable black folk. That said... participation in the political dynamics affects you, everyone so even though many say do not etc etc you do that at your own peril. Interesting that folks understand decades ago how important it was and they lived in an apartheid situation with minimal rights if any, had little wealth, education etc but now the more affluent etc progeny thinks it's no longer needed useful or a duty. Unwise.
The way we rise up is what this nation was built on. We have to put on our grown peoples pants with belts. THIS IS TAXATION WITH OUT REPRESENTATION. We have to fight off the fear. Understand who we are who’s we are and stop being scared to BE WHO WE BE.
yep taxation w/o fair and just representation. i say we all stop paying them and see what happens. thats a tactic we've not used
People who played Oblivion may recognise Gayle's voice
It's Tamika!!
Being a better steward of evil than your predecessor(s), is not progress, nor boast-worthy.
Lord Jesus Gayle is so beautiful 😍 and such a beautiful spirit 🥰 WOW 👀
You might want to read the actual history. The story she told was originally related by Sally Hemings' SON Madison Hemings and recorded in a newspaper. That's how we have it. READ THE HISTORY. Sally was not in France on her own. She was there with her BROTHER James Hemings who was a TRAINED CHEF IN FRENCH CUISINE. She could have stayed in France with her brother and been protected. She wasn't alone. So however relations started between her and Jefferson, she had a choice whether to leave or stay. Granted, the revolution was coming in France. But James was SKILLED and they could have emigrated to England where they also would have been free and he certainly would have found work. They were already automatically free on French soil.
But by all means go ahead and knee-jerk react to the Sally Hemings story. No one is excusing Jefferson's perversity. But many of us take her son Madison Hemings' recollections very seriously. And Madison Hemings said she had a choice to stay free in France or return to slavery in the United States. THAT is the mystery of Sally Hemings to ME. Her thought process, how she weighed the pros and cons and made her decision.
It's true there was some degree of choice and decision making on her part, that's definitely important and we should remember that. However, we should also remember that she was 14, a child forced to grow up to meet the sexual appetite of a grown ass man, when she went over there and all the rest of her family and everything she knew was still back in what we know as the United States. And that time in history was not our time so we cannot view her through our modern eyes: we have to take her in the context in which she existed.
@@karenl7786 👍🏾to ALL of this.⬆️
No More Mystery: What prompted the negotiation and the reasons behind Sally's decision is this. She was pregnant. Jefferson explained to her that she was free on French soil, but those were his children - his property in her belly. Seeds he planted. I think she did the best she could do under the circumstances. Also there may be some legal ties upon claiming or "reclaiming" a homestead.
I listen to KHS on Sirius XM and on YT. Each and every time I learn something valuable and new. Thanks Karen.
Great interview,but is this woman foreal.What the heck has a statue stopped these racist from doing. This must be the white optimistic talking.
Gayle Jessup White and I are contemporaries. Coincidentally, my high school alma mater was named after her ancestor. Months ago, randomly wondering if there were descendents of Hemings and Jefferson alive today, I went down the rabbit hole. Discovered just this year that a public park in my childhood neighborhood, a mere blocks from my H.S., was named after his gggreatgrandson(?), a very prominent community member in South Central Los Angeles, Frederick Roberts. America's race issues are encapsulated in the Hemings/Jefferson story. Aside from Hemmings, at minimal being biracial, she was also, by blood, his sister-in-law. She was an enslaved child. The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American. Like Hemmings, many of us have a white ancestor. Certainly, not as relevant and prominent to the establishment of American democracy as Jefferson. There are interviews on RUclips with Roberts children. I walked away numb. Not that he was an adulterer or, an enslaver. Rather, of all men, he knowingly kept in bondage his own children! He was their father and was also their uncle! The building stones of America are the truths expressed in our constitution The lies are in the mortar, in this edifice we call democracy. Bound. One to another. This nation was built upon lands and, with hands that were not the enslavers. Not so much as a "Thank You". Structurally, we are unsound. The past several months, I have watched a property (est 1921) in the University of Southern California corridor consolidate their footprint after, like many properties, having sold a portion of their property to USC (est 1880). To build upwards on their now smaller lot they had to tear down. The old cement and rebar was indiscriminately hauled away. But those thousands of 100 year old bricks? By hand, I watched as workers meticulously, quickly and efficiently tapped off the 100 year old mortar from those old bricks. Them? They had a future. The mortar? Once on the ground, it became just more refuse to be swept up and hauled away. So we keep the truth and keep hammering away the lies. In so doing, our nation has a future. Sill. around half the nation does not want to put in the work to build. They would rather fight to death than thrive. But, "They love America". Their inheritance shall be in the mortar.
Flawed & evil are not the same thing; slave owners.
Yess, let it burn 🔥 and wait to see what becomes of it after it’s all said and done.
Hmmm 🤔 Sounds like they had an “intervention” and decided to dilute this narrative a little 🤔
who had an intervention?
@@KarenHunterShow The manner in which Ms. White addressed Ms. Hunter's question/statement about the rape and sexual exploitation of the teenage Sally, suggests, in my view, that the family (the Jefferson clan) have agreed to "dress up" that aspect of the narrative by saying Sally had "agency" and was able to exercise choice and individuality... Even if that were true, it was " it was a day late and a dollar short"! The damage was already done!
Let it die, but be ready for the rebuild.
Karen, I say let it burn! Reset and start over.
Sally Hemings was the half-sister to Martha Jefferson (Thomas’s Jefferson’s wife). Supposedly Sally resembled her older sister after Martha’s death Thomas began his relationship with Sally. Sally and Martha’s father owned Sally’s mother.
🤨
Funny how I'm sure Thaddeus (Tadeusz) Kosciuszko would not be in agreement with this descendant! Goodness Gracious.. How does a psyche such as her own reach this level of denial... this really made me give up... works at Monticello...geeezuss
Just started the book - AMAZING! 🙌
Professor Hunter good morning, thank and to your guess kudos.
Hey Bobby!
@@KarenHunterShow Good day, shalom!
Great interview, Sis! No disrespect to this sister but I believe she is engaged and committed to the social structure and perhaps still romanticizing the mythology a bit. I don’t know the sister and could be wrong but it felt that way to me, particularly when you were asking her clear governance questions. That being said, we all are exploring, learning and trying to make some sense out of senselessness.
That was a great discussion when she talked about her father resenting his history and also being a man that could pass I felt that in my spirit that.
#Sidenote
Karen Where Are You Getting Your Hair Wraps😍
ashro.com
Warning: You will have to learn how to wrap...they sell the material. Tonya Pinkins thought they came already wrapped. I went on RUclips and taught myself.
@@KarenHunterShow
I’m not gonna lie I thought it came wrapped already too😁you do a great job! I have no problem teaching myself thank you so much🙏🏽
She said it. That's the real part.
My dad was born in 1922 and told me all about the aborted babies, and the descendants.
Supposedly the "founding fathers" were against the idea of becoming an empire. But the settler project did indeed become an empire. Are we to continue to expend our energy to maintain this empire so it can continue to do what empires do, not only to the people within but around the world?
Not only would u b related to Jefferson. U are also related to Martha his wife. ?
A lot of people seem to want to "let it burn"... Let it burn while you're in it? Where would you go while the dust settles? Do all of you have another country to flee to, that will greet you with open arms? Or you're convinced the fire will spare you? Explain this to me please.
building a home where fire fortifies.