THE BUTLERIAN JIHAD (War of the Thinking Machines in DUNE) EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2023
- Hey guys, whats happening? Niyat here with film comics explained. As requested, today we’ll finally be exploring The Butlerian Jihad, the long and bloody human crusade against computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots in Frank Herbert's massive DUNE universe, expanded by his eldest son Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson.
In this video, we’re going to explore the human complacency that led to the rise of machines, the Butlerian Jihad (perhaps the most important event in human history), the rise of the feudal galactic order, and finally the conclusion of the 15,000-year saga.
To understand the Butlerian Jihad, we will first learn about the Titan Revolution and Rise of the machines that set the foundation for the universe humanity needed to fight back against.
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“What do such machines really do? They increase the number of things we can do without thinking. Things we do without thinking-there’s the real danger.”
― Frank Herbert
“Nah, they go pew pew and want people ded because of some contrived reason.”- Brine Herbert.
Your attitude to the work of "Brine Herbert" seems a bit...salty.
Seeing how students use chatgpt to write their essays instead of articulating their own thoughts and feelings makes it scary
To be fair, the Butlerian Jihad books would have been better written by ChatGPT than by Brian Herbert.
@@marcdavies7046would u explain why?
damn, using AI-generated images in a video about the butlerian jihad must be some of the most ironic shit ever
Pretty sure their not all a.i
@@redadmiralofvalyria867pretty sure some of them are :P lol
All I know is I read Brian's and Kevin's butlerian trilogy years ago and I've never seen anything that matched what I saw in my head while reading it this well
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 come on, some have 6 fingers
Pretty sure there's no irony to be had in what you said
I think my favorite part of the whole Dune story is how Brian had absolutely no idea his father was a world-renowned space opera writer until someone at school asked him if his father was "THE Frank Herbert?"
Yeah, brian isnt the brightest.
I dont know if i would call dune a space opera.
@@herscher1297 It's definitely not a space opera. Dune was a book, not a script meant to be performed on stage.
Brian is the worst thing to happen to the Dune universe. (to read his books is horrible, but surprisingly the audiobooks are way easier to tollerate, even enjoy)
@@allamericanslacker2378 Though by definition... Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes space warfare, with use of melodramatic, risk-taking space adventures, relationships, and chivalric romance. Space opera has been defined as "a television or radio drama or motion picture that is a science-fiction adventure story" Set mainly or entirely in outer space, it features technological and social advancements (or lack thereof) in faster-than-light travel, futuristic weapons, and sophisticated technology, on a backdrop of galactic empires and interstellar wars with fictional aliens, often in fictional galaxies. The term has no relation to opera music, but is instead a play on the terms "soap opera", a melodramatic television series, and "horse opera", which was coined during the 1930s to indicate a clichéd and formulaic Western film. Space operas emerged in the 1930s and continue to be produced in literature, film, comics, television, video games and board games. An early film which was based on space-opera comic strips was Flash Gordon (1936), created by Alex Raymond.[3] Perry Rhodan (1961-) is the most successful space opera book series ever written. The Star Trek TV series (1966-) by Gene Roddenberry and the Star Wars films (1977-) by George Lucas brought a great deal of attention to the sub-genre
@@allamericanslacker2378 List of space opera media: Novels and series
Edison's Conquest of Mars (1898) by Garrett P. Serviss
Buck Rodger's Armageddon 2419 A.D. (1928) by Philip Francis Nowlan
The Skylark series[4] (1928-1965) by E. E. "Doc" Smith
Arcot, Wade and Morey (1930-32) by John W. Campbell
The Lensman series (1934-1948) and The Vortex Blaster (1960) by E. E. Smith
Empire (1945-1951), and Foundation series (1942-1999) by Isaac Asimov[6]
Federation series (1952-1964) by H. Beam Piper
Starship Troopers (1959) by Robert A Heinlein
Known Space (1964-present) by Larry Niven
Dune (1965-present) by Frank Herbert
Someone already mentioned that the "Butlerian Jihad" as depicted here is from Brian Herbert's interpretation of his Father's universe. I'll go even further and state that he's entirely incorrect in his presentation of what the "Jihad" actually was, and why:
Herbert's original series is _all_ about Humanity's retreat and defense against a singular threat: total stagnation. We see it occur during Leto II's reign in _God Emperor of Dune,_ and the whole point of that book was Leto pointing out how completely destructive total abandonment to a singular ideology and expectation was. The "Butlerian Jihad" as loosely explained in the original _Dune_ books resulted from the entirety of Humanity giving into Artificial Intelligence - not "deadly, killer robots," but literally _surrendering their ability to think, make decisions and have the human experience_ in favor of AI making all the decisions for them. Sound familiar?
All of _Dune_ is based on the ruling groups (Bene Gesserit, Mentats, Guildsmen, Tleilaxu, etc.) achieving a reclamation of their humanity though various means, mentally, physically, emotionally, biologically - it's a resurrection of human control and a _mastering_ of it. The Bene Gesserit literally test Paul Atreides to see if he is a human being and not one to give in to the simplicity of base, animal reaction - the same desires that give people the impulse to stagnate. The Harkonnens define that impulsiveness. One of the tenets in the book was "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind." This isn't a testament to "don't make robots," it's an anti-slavery declaration. "Don't surrender your ability to be human to something that cannot think for itself."
It wasn't a war against killer robots. It was a war against humanity's own desire for laziness, a war of humans against humans. It's less "explode the Terminator" and more "smash that PC with this sledgehammer, and don't let anyone stop you" - hence a "Holy War," with people who support stagnation vs. those who don't. The perfectionist ruling powers of Frank Herbert's universe are the ultimate examples of that - and their failures are why the "freedom to be a human being" is the ultimate message of Herbert's original novels - incomplete as they are. Brian Herbert didn't understand his Father's universe.
Like you say the greater theme of the novels regards the idea of human progress/stagnation. "Don't make thinking machines because they'll eventually enslave or extinct humanity and that'd be the end of human progress" fits that theme. So humans banned the competition and gained a protected space to catch up. Once humans had caught up it'd have fostered stagnation to keep the ban in place. So the ban is quietly removed and wild evolution allowed to continue.
When I first read the books a long time ago I also had the impression that the jihad wasn't humans rebelling against psychopathic/genocidal AI but humans realizing they'd surrendered their agency to AI and deciding to smash the thinking machines to take it back. Given that read the later books do seem revisionist. You don't need to read the two takes an necessarily inconsistent, though. It could've been both. It kind of had to have been both for the jihad to have gained such a large following. I can't see a call to willingly forego convenience ever catching on otherwise.
I have only seen the Villeneuve movie but even I can see you are completely right.
Well articulated OP 👍👏
This is good and deep review - you should do some more for other pop culture universes
Spot on. You hit exactly on what my problem is with the expanded lore. It turned the Butlerian Jihad into a Terminator story.
A 1 hour lore video. Did not expect this.
Same. Didn’t expect this
I don't think any of us are complaining 😂
Was not expected, but is very welcome
Like the Spanish inquisition, no-one expects it
Dune provides a mountain of interesting space opera lore and FCE loves deep stories.
How could you not?
Am I a dune fan? No.
Will I watch this hour long video because I want Dune fans to have nice things? Yes.
your joking right dune is awesome
Well…thank you. 🙏🏻😂
@robotkade9107 I didn't know anything at all about dune prior to FCEs videos on dune and it's been interesting so far so I'll probably be picking up this franchise in all honesty cause this video was dope
Uses the voice: explain yourself.
As a dune fan, i thank you greatly
I’m not really sure how to articulate this but considering what the lore is and the difference in technology between the Jihad and the current dune universe is absolutely astounding. I know it’s sci-fi but the try and comprehend the level of technology they had access to hurts my brain lol
Ys, it's interesting to consider a future where Humanity tries and fails with thinking machines and has to wipe the slate clean, so to speak, and use their biology as the basis. In our reality it would be hard to see how that would happen without thinking or at least very complex, calculating and prediction machines. Right now it would appear that the only way humans can live beyond the mortal coil is to transpose their minds into a computerized form with accompanying machine components and hardening against elements on planets or in space.
It’s very foundation esc
Its easy.. just think of Terminator. Just in this case the humanity win.
yeah keep in mind that he retells the retconed version of Dune Lore of Brian Herbert, not the original one of Frank Herbert.
There was no "Terminator/Matrix" Maschine War in Frank Herberts Dune, but a fundamentalist, thechnophobe religious Extremist Group (The Butlerians) that forced their fringe position upon humanity, after winning their centuries of crusade against the less ignorant humans.
@@polong99this is way beyond skynets abilities
So that's where WH 40k gets the term 'Omnissiah' and cogitators from. Neat.
And also the whole AI war and it's banishement. And they also copied the "imperium" the "lasguns", the "god-emperor"...
@@me67galaxylifenavigators too
@@me67galaxylife what's with the recent meme this week of everyone saying "IA" instead of AI?
@@skully90 fast typing or a new term i'm not aware of
@@skully90 In latin languages its IA and not AI... Maybe some latin mixed with the english?
AI = Artificial Inteligence
IA = Intellectus artificialis (Latin), Inteligência Artificial (Portugues), Inteligencia artificial (Spanish), Intelligenza Artificiale (Italian), Intelligence artificielle (French), Inteligența artificială (Romanian)
This didn't even feel like an hour long. You definitely should do more of these in the future if you have the time and subject matter. This was awesome
All the footage lifted from EvE Online really makes me want to pick up the game again. Such an awesome game.
do it!!! come back to the fold, brother!
Thank you for mentioning where the footage came from. (EvE Online) 👍
I wonder if my character is still there, ahh excel online
same man same!
listening to this while playing Eve online, doing some HS ratting in a Gila
I think it’s important to note that everything in this video is from the expanded dune universe created by Frank Herbert’s son, Brian Herbert, as well as Kevin j Anderson.
There is some contention in the fan community about whether or not these stories are “actually canon”. Mainly because a lot of the dates in these newer books conflict with some of the dates given in the “dune encyclopedia” by Willis McNelly and Frank Herbert. A lot of the themes also seem kind of contradictory to the themes of the original books.
Another big part of it is that all of these books were created after Frank’s death. Its very apparent that his words are not a part of all of this. The books themselves are still cool though, it’s nice how they offer a different perspective on the dune universe. Most fans just like the consider them a separate canon from the main 6 books.
Did the son only work on the past (before the events of dune) or did he also wrote what happens after the original books?
@@GoldenLeafsMovies he has written prequel books, which is where all of this info comes from, As well as sequel books, and books that take place in between the original dune books. All of this was after Frank’s death.
He wrote prequels to justify his sequel fanfiction retconning many elements
The Brian Herbert books are the only continuation we’ll ever get. Everything written after Frank’s death is and will be fanfiction.
I've seen many sources cited that in Frank Herbert original visiob, the Jihad was never about man vs machine, but man against other men who used thinking machines to subjugate others. Like writers revolting againsts studios who use AI to produce scripts.
Frank's vision is a more sensible explanation of the Bene Gesserits plan, the development of mentats, the Tlelaxu bio engineering, as they all share the common theme of progressing humanity's development. AI was a crutch that held back that development, it made people irrelevant therefore not in control of Humanity's destiny.
It's interesting how Irulan's statement on the human mind needing a challenge to exist and survive and even thrive reflects strongly on the concept of fremen austerity and pragmatism. The desert is a challenge that strips away the decadent and soft, leaving only the necessary and hard.
God made Arrakis to train the faithful
@@DirByHasanFuck god
Made my day bro, you guys cut 60 hours of audio book to a consumable 1 hrs video; like a fremen with a knife you cut the good points for mass consumption. Most impressive.
its primarily Brian Herberts retconned dune lore, not the original Frank Herbert dune lore.
this should be a series of its own. so much to explore with plenty of action
40.000 Posbi fragmental spacecubes just shattered the Borg copycats and are hungry for new prey.
Si, starwars se volvería una película infantil a comparación de una trilogía de la jihad butleriana
This is my favorite thing you've done on your channel. Thank you muchly for it!
You adding in shots from Eve Online's Amarr Empire didn't hurt, either.
I was just scanning the comments to see if anyone else saw the Eve space battles.
Wish id seen this b4 seeing Dune pt2 today quickly becoming my fave sci fi reality.
Advanced tech and yet STILL put emphasis on close range and h2h combat
Part 2 is going to be EPIC! Thank you!
We actually need 9 movies to tell the whole story!
A tv series would be more appropriate as the story is too big to have a book a movie and would need to be more in-depth to see the story told properly. We don’t need another GOT debacle 😂
@@thearmchairjournalist566 Most tv series are trash so hopefully no.
@@GM-xk1nw sorry I can’t agree there, there are heaps of people excellent tv series that have been brilliant, just because some don’t achieve expectations doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try with this story!!
@@thearmchairjournalist566 it wouldnt, theyd drag it out and stray from the original story to 'add their views and ideas' into the show.
A 5h long movie (part one and two, 2h 35m each) is enough time to cover the basic plot and main theme of the story.
Thank you. This book trilogy was a great joy to me as a teenager.
God this was so well made!!!!!!!! I follow channels that only make Dune lore stuff but nothing ever made as informative than this!!! well done dude!!!!
I just yesterday reached the end of the sixth book in the main Dune saga, if you could call it that, and I have to say that Erasmus is probably in my top 3 for favorite A.I characters. In my opinion he is an entity of nearly pure intellect, driven almost primarily by a hunger for knowledge and experience, yet he has these human traits like humor, guilt, pride, enjoyment, humility and most surprising to me, if I’m not misreading him, yearning.
Did you read the three books from the prequel trilogy: The Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade, and The Battle of Corrin?
@@swordmonkey6635 Yeah I’m actually making my way through them now as a matter of fact. I’m enjoying learning how the machine empire rose and fell. It’s funny how just one instance of misjudgment can lead to the downfall of an entire empire, the machines in this case. All their power counted for very little.
Never thought we get a hour long video but a welcome one
I mean. This is absolutely FANTASTIC! As a huge fan of all the Dune prequel novels, I freaking LOVE this! Thank you!
Why? Why are you a fan of the prequel novels. Please explain your affliction.
@@JamesLewis007 Why? Why are you hating on someone for having an opinion? Please explain your affliction.
@@JamesLewis007 these books stand on their own and are great reads. No one cares that you have some elitist Dune complex.
@@richm298of all the scifi books, dune should have purists and elitists. It's not just some scifi novel that is a contained simplistic story, it's almost like a Bible for the future.and then brian Herbert plays with toys in his books.
@@thomasel9171 bible for the future? 😂 I got a tall glass of spice juice for ya buddy
I was captivated by your rendering of the Jihad and was very sad when it ended. I loved how the last book ended. I read and listened to the ending over and over again. It was an ending, and I never wanted the ending to end. Brian Herbert & Kevin j Anderson did an excellent job, and it was a huge undertaking for them both. The only reason more books were written was because of Brian. He knew his father kept notes on all of his work and was never able to find anything related to any book. When years and years of his father's notes and work were found he knew he had to complete his father's work. The audio books on audibles have the full story about how this happened and why. Talk about a son who loves his father and another kid who loves books. They both knew they could not write like Frank, but they had to try anyway and try they did. Brian and Kevin, I am sure, have Frank's blessing. A son's love for his father carried Dune a long, long way. I love those books!
Brian Herbert's books are in contradiction to his father's vision (e.g. the two characters at the ending of the last book) and were just plain action without much thought, while Frank Herbert's books had little action and mostly dialogues. The books of Brian Herbert were just an attempt to squeeze more money out of his father's legacy. The alleged notes of his late father were a blunt lie in order to give more legitimacy to his mediocre books.
@@magister.mortransounds like you’re salty. I don’t think you know what notes he left so maybe if you don’t like it just don’t read it and leave it at that.
During the lockdown I read the entire Dune series (including prequels) in order and it's such an epic story with so few loose ends that it truly is a remarkable piece of science fiction.
And you have certainly done the first part of that some justice here.
Most entertaining. Thanks.
(An equally well written fighting fantasy title is the Second Apocalypse series by R Scott Bakker comprising 7 books, some of which are hard to come by. Another masterclass).
This would be so awesome in a movie! Most people do not realize how intense the Dune lore is and how cool some of the ideas and stories are.
Especially the real dune books and not the stuff brian "wrote"
These prequels are great! All the folks butt hurt that they aren’t from Frank himself need to get a life.
@@richm298 you are probably to young to understand the difference between these books
@@herscher1297 LOL. I’m in my 40s numb nuts. I’ve had hard copies of the originals since I was a kid. And read them many many times. Don’t be dumb with your uninformed opinions on people and the world. Frank Herbert would likely despise you for being so ignorant.
@@herscher1297gonget a life like he told you
I am constantly impressed at the sheer depth of the Dune universe. A true iceberg.
This isn't cannon, though. This isn't the Jihad Frank created.
There was no Skynet type struggle against thinking machines.
The Jihad Frank wrote was about men with thinking machines fighting other men with thinking machines.
If only Brian Herbert had sold the Dune intellectual property to an actual novelist, such as Neal Asher, we might have had a wonderful saga instead of Jool Noret moping on a beach.
He wanted so bad to be an author like his daddy lol
@@Vamps.1 ever read anything he wrote without a "co-author"? Ugh.
@@ltvagabond Lol no but I saw he has a book “The Garbage Chronicles” and that kinda says everything haha maybe he’s prescient and he was foreshadowing his involvement in the Dune series
We are now at the dawn of A.I. I read all the Dune books 50 years ago, but I did not pay attention to the war against the "thinking machines". Now we are on that cusp, and need to think harder about the benefits and burdens of A.I.
I think Frank Herbert was influenced by an early science fiction book titled “Erewhon” written by English author Samuel Butler and published in 1872.
In the book there’s a society who bans all complex machines after it was realized that the steam engine could eventually evolve technologies that would become thinking machines. And that that would likely eventually lead to the demise of mankind. I admit I haven’t had time to watch this entire video yet, but I’ve yet to hear anyone explore this theory or validate it with any actual evidence. It does seem like it would be a pretty big coincidence though.
They weren't wrong. Even for steampunk you had the Babbage machine.
Most of this video isn't about the cannon as Frank Herbert intended it. It's in reference to the childishly bad fanfuction books his son wrote.
@@JamesLewis007 So say we all.
You are right, and it is commonly known that Samel Butler is where Frank Herbert had the name "Butlerian Jihad" from. Neither the prequels written by his son after his death nor the Encyclopedia of Dune that he authorized for commercial reasons reflect his original idea of the Butlerian Jihad.
Lots of IP’s explore this concept
I never much cared for the expanded universe novels these stories came from. In the original Dune series, the Butlerian Jihad is (vaguely) discussed as more of a sociological movement than an actual war, in which humanity struggled in more of a political and social sense. I always felt that Brian Herbert's book cheapened the themes of the story by turning this concept into a shittier version of the "War Against the Machines" you keep hearing about in the Terminator franchise. The whole point of destroying the thinking machines, as envisioned by Frank Herbert, was the realization by humanity that machine intelligence had lessened their existence and cheapened their lives, causing them thus to collectively embrace a new, radically human-centric version of civilization. The stories by his son just turned it into a generic sci-fi conflict we've seen in dozens of other properties...
There is literslly a line about killer robots lol
Where? @@ziegfeld4131
Gotta love the irony of AI generated images about a war against AI....
That's not irony at all
Amazing job with this piece, i love the depth that you brought to this incredible lore story. Also as a 10 year vet of Eve Online I truly enjoyed the use of the footage ( there's a non-zero chance my Super was in one of those shots)
@@banhammer3904War of the League of Nobles title card (6:42) is a massive fleet warp-in from Spreadsheets in Space, most of the space footage after that about said war is also Eve.
This was so well done! I've been a fan of Frank Herbert since I was 8ys old. This is the best 'prequel' I've seen and heard. The visuals are timed nicely with your audio. This made my day, so thanks for that.
Tbf, the prequel books are by brian herbert. And frank only made 6 books.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158still he's a fan of Frank and his world.
This video is criminally unreviewed! Amazing work man!
this is so COOL! I love it and could not believe this was over an HOUR! You made an amazing job, my friend!
Absolutely superb. No excess information, just pure descriptions of when, where, who and why.
The background, videos, animations and art finds were fantastic as was script. Perfect companion for Dune novices & great appetizer for the movie.
90% AI sloop which is so ironic given the topic of this video
Epic video, great writing, narration and visuals, well done, thanks to all involved.
Best video you’ve done yet. I’m gonna be watching this a dozen times at least. Keep up the great work!
A wonderfully narrated and edited video which never drags. An immersive experience that everyone will enjoy!
Niyat...are you gonna upload ALL your Dune videos together as one massive homunculus???
ooooow never thought about that, but sure, just before Dune 2, I could add all the lore videos together into the one massive homunculus as you suggested lol
@@filmcomicsexplained you know better than most how goofy my ideas are when I'm high...how about a "big worms" compilation with the sand worms and graboids and...others...I think the worms from Prometheus and Beetlejuice 🤔🐢
Have a great day
@@filmcomicsexplained that would be amazing
My wife is giving birth but it can wait FCE just uploaded.
NO IT CANT! Tend to your wife brother, FCE can wait. Unless this is a massive troll, in which case, well played, good sir.
He got you Niyat 🐢
Don't worry while you lay listening the every breath of you new born and momma finally sleeping this will keep you company....
@@adamlewellen5081yes today is a good day
@@ashlindemeritte7593 been there done that 3 times.. enjoy your sleep, you will miss it.
I REALLY hope that there will be a theater or two that will run BOTH parts of DUNE on opening night...I have NO problem in dropping the extra coins needed to make that happen!
I haven't read the books so I didn't think there was an hours worth of lore on this subject, this is very interesting. From other videos I've seen the Jihad has apparently mostly been glossed over in favor of other events, thanks for this 👍:
Read the books bro.
Most dune fans and thus most dune video makers dont think that brians books are canon. In the original dune books the jihad is rearly talked about and had a much different flavour.
I read this 20 years ago and it's brilliant. The response was a bit underwhelming but this story is so cohesive it deserves to be turned into a series.
YES!
No video will do Erasmus’s character justice. Truly one of the most unique, likeable, hateable, and terrifying characters ever written
Awesome video. I really appreciate you explaining the butlerian Jihad. The recent dune movie got me into the series and I was curious about the jihad as the movie barely mentions it. I had listened to quinns ideas channel which helped me understand more of the dune series timeline but not the end part you had here. You're a really good narrator! Thank you for all the content!
A lot of us consider this version of the Butlerian Jihad absolute dogshit. It is the lame fan fic that his son came up with after Frank's death.
@@whom382 Let the others be happy...
I love going back and re-listening to your videos while I’m at work! Great content as always
Great video very well done and the length was perfect. I personally love the longer in depth videos.
I'd LOVE to see a lore video like this, gping over the history of the Matrix timeline 👍 we saw a but of it in the Animatrix but I'd love a in depth analysing 🙏
well 2 cups of coffee and an awesome narration of lore i didn't even notice time passing good job mate
this has been my favorite video recently. i have listened to it when i lay down in bed honestly 30+ times. I have looked for similar videos to no avail. even this page doesn't have any other videos of the same caliber/style. anyone have any recs? its the perfect long form story telling, i just cant say how much i dig it. its like if youre into wes anderson movies (i know thats a love or hate thing) and you come across the life aquatic, youre like damn! nothing else quite like it.
The graphics & visuals are amazing here. Very engaging vid, thanks.
Holy crap, Games Workshop has some splainin' to do. 40k basically "borrowed" like half of this story lol.
The Zerg, Aliens, Protoss, it’s all a meld
It's a bit more complicated than that. Dune certainly gave the inspiration, but the exact reasoning behind Butlerian Jihad and Rise of the Men of Iron are totally different.Especially considering the cosmology of 40k
40k stole everything there is nothing orginal there lol
Yes and no doing is the basis for a lot of 40K stuff but all these prequel nopples didn't start getting written until the 2010s so they're actually newer then40k
Hate to break it to you, but in this instance, it's the other way around. These books where written long after 40k came up with the concept.
Thank you for blessing us with this great video!
I just watched a hour long video without realizing!!! Bravoo creator. Your story telling beats almost all the story teller I watched. Keep going man!
Absolutely amazing breakdown and video. Keep em coming!
Amazing work! Thank you this is a treat.
Love the EVE ONLINE clips added, I play that game all the time it’s amazing 😂😅
Your in-depth analysis is by far top tier
Great narration, Neyat. Impeccable as always.
Outstanding video! This is one of the very best I’ve ever viewed. Thank you!
A very well done and excellent video. And the more I learn about Dune, the more "Inspiration" I see in Warhammer 40k.
All of this is amazing, wishing a big company besides Disney can make these into trilogies. I am very looking forward to Dune 2 ,and the new season of Foundation scifyz.😅
This was amazing! Very well done. Thank you!
This has to be one of your best videos, 1 hour , what a ride! 😃
This was great. Thank you for making it.
Idk jack about Dune and I'm understanding that I'd* much rather read the books but these videos are exactly why I've come to that conclusion.
So, as always, thank you for your incredibly thoughtful explanation videos.
You're welcome, but most definitely read the books! There is so much more detail for you to uncover there
@@filmcomicsexplained I intend to. Thank you.
My bookshelf is getting quite intimidating these days but I see that as "saving up" for when I'm too old to carry bricks up a roof lol
(Edit: that reminds me of a channel "bitty asmr" that is reading Dune. Tbh I haven't listened to it yet, but someone might like it)
@@filmcomicsexplained The books are FANTASTIC!
Thank you for posing this. I read the whole Dune saga years ago and I love this explanation.
Had a renewed appetite for Dune lore after watching Dune Part 2.
This is great stuff. Also love how you used a lot of video cut scenes from Eve Online @
Oh sweet, a new Dune video. Thanks for the video.
You are most welcome! Thanks for tuning in :)
Your videos have reached a new level! Love the long form lore and the visuals
It's my 3rd time watching this all the way through. Thanks, man, for bringing goodness back
Awesome video, great job. Always enjoy your content.
Thanks Barry!
Do you have a shotgun?
The events of Brian's books are not considered Canon by a lot of Dune fans because they lack the depth and are at times contradictory to his father's work.
I am one of those fans. Everything is in the 6 books, and the Encyclopedia, which Frank approved of.
Frankly, I don't think Brian understands his Dad's work.
Lol the Encyclodedia contradicts the novels a ton you "purists" are idiots
Well Brian (and any assistants/ghostwriters) added new stories and depth to the Duniverse, as flawed as some of it may have been...and some of us are skeptical of literary 'Canons' on general principle
absolute fanfiction tier. read much like the old 90s starwars books, even lifting quotes of characters right out of the original books not for any specific reason, just like the Starwars books, but clearly just to try and fit into the Universe. shame, I would have really loved to have enjoyed them but jeez... what was Brian and Kevin smoking to make them think they could tread in Franks steps?
I liked Brian's books, they're not as good as Frank's obviously but they're not bad. Just picked up Hunters of Dune at the library
I think it’s cool he got to carry on his father’s work.
It’s clear someone likes it or he wouldn’t keep making them.
Wonderful vid, long but held my attention the whole time, thanks for your hard work.
This was soooooo cool. I, of course have read THE books. This, aside from differences in word pronunciation, was intense and wonderful.
Thank you for undertaking this momentous part of DUNE history explained. The inclusion of various DUNE art to illustrate the words is mind blowing.
I love learning about the expansive lore of anything. It really puts the main story into perspective. I want to know what happened. Curiosity is not a sin, but we must exercise caution. That’s what I live by. You’re an amazing person Niyat. Keep up the amazing work and being a fantastic content creator.
Search for gom jabbar podcast it blew my mind
Same. I did this with LOTR too. 😆
YES!!
More DUNE lore!
Thank you for the Video! Amazing work!
What an amazing story. Thanks for covering it 😊
While on the subject about Man vs Machine, here's a suggestion, a video about Warhammer 40k's Men of Iron and the Cybernetic Revolt
Very inclusive video on a vast amount of information to cover on this topic.. Well done!
Thank you for not presenting this extremely cheesy manner. I and many other people greatly appreciate that.
Amazing video
I always catch your Dune videos
After a break of about twenty years, I just jumped back in at Dune Messiah.
The more time that passes, the more relevant these books become.
After all these years I’m still haunted by those closing scenes of Duncan in the hold, and the two beings: _Marty and ???_
_”Doesn’t he know how thin he’s spread?”_ ( from memory )
I just _ache_ to know where he was going with that.
These two beings at the end (Marty and ???) are the most prominent example where Brian Herbert deviated from his father's ideas. Frank Herbert meant them to be face dancers, not thinking machines.
@@magister.mortranhow do you know. I genuinely want to know. It bugs me all the time.
Awesome video. I really appreciate the effort that you went through to produce this. Kudos!
Brilliant narrating... I knew about the war with machines, but only in little detail. You've helped change that now, and I thank you.
Chewed on every minute of this like a long savored meal, excellent work.
Love the video. Side effect: Now I wanna play EVE Online again.
I know right! ;)
I do find lore videos really interesting, You did a great job finding images that really suited the narration and the story. I've seen all the movies and mini-series. I've only listened to Frank Herbert's first Dune Novel and Brian Herbert / Kevin J. Anderson's Atreides novel. I wasn't impressed by Brian's writing, it didn't have the class and style that his father had. You make the content of this novel sound AMAZING. This has really intrigued me. Really well put together.
I agree with you
Having attempted to read these prequel books, the only way they are AMAZING is AMAZINGLY BAD. If you had been through the 6 Frank books, you would see them for what they are.
This was amazing. I want a series/movie about this more than the future events.
I've been waiting for this one!!!
Yesssss!!! I have my own trouble with Kevin and Brians version of the bultierian jihad yet… Erasmus was amazing character. Zufa Cenva was gravely misused. I wish Frank would have finished the last book so we can know what really chases the honored mothers back into the old empire. I find it hard to think it was the machines given the evidence by Frank. However Niyat did it man! 🎉
The brian herbert series and frank herbert’s series fits like putting a square cube on a triangle hole.
Frank does write multiple charcters having visons of machines destroying humanity so not a big jump there
The problem with the story is that it greatly underestimates AI. But then again, predicting what something more intelligent than oneself will do is an impossible task.
yeah I really dont see how humans could have won the butlerian jihad at all
@@louisazraels7072 Omnious, I'm still not telling you.
You mean AI that hasn't actually been invented yet and whose capabilities are only speculation? Unless you're talking about drawing people with wonky fingers.
I was always curious about this, thanks for uploading!
This was OUTSTANDING work! Many thanks.
Wasn't Erasmus just one of the copies of Omnius? It became trapped and separated from Omnius Prime and developed its own personality. One of the major plot points of the prequel books is Omnius wanting to "update" Erasmus and reabsorb him into the Omnius Prime network.
Yes, he fell in a hole
No those are Brian Herbert invention nothing to do with Frank work! He said Humans using machines not terminators, and secondly the last two characters are said explicitly to be face dancers not robots...
Erasmus is one of the copies of Omnius who himself is one of the copies of Skynet. You can be sure if Frank Herbert wrote the prequel books he wouldn't of made it this mundane.
@@And_Rec frank left notes and unfinished manuscripts, his son mearly finished them. This IS ALL dune cannon
@@And_Rec The Butlerian Jihad was mostly detailed in the extended universe... which is what this video is talking about.
This story seems 100x more epic and entertaining than sand and sandworms and spice.
Bro I agree 100% ... I'm really not looking forward to the next dune movies about sand and Sandworms
Unfortunately the Butlerian Jihad book is god awfully written, it's like a shitty first novel from some rando in a college writing class.
I thought I was a Luetin09 lore video, awesome Dune lore. Your da best FilmComicsExplained 👍
Amazing video. I couldn't stop listening to it. Dune is by far my favorite series in all of science fiction and fantasy.