THE SPACING GUILD (Masters of Interstellar Travel in DUNE) EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2022
- Hey guys what’s happening? Niyat here with film comics explained. As requested, today we’ll be exploring The Spacing Guild featured in Frank Herberts expansive Dune universe.
The Spacing Guild, also called the Guild of Navigators, or more simply the Guild - and secretly known among its members as Corpus Luminis Praenuntiantis ("the Union of the Foreseeing Eye"), was an organization that held exclusive rights to faster-than-light space travel.
The Guild was essentially an interstellar shipping and trade conglomerate during the years of the Corrino and Atreides Empire. They were one leg of the political tripod maintaining the Great Convention - a historic treaty brokered between the Great Houses, the Spacing Guild, and the Imperium shortly after the destruction of thinking machines.
The guilds spice-infused navigators steer their massive Holtzman-drive-powered heighliner crafts through folded space. The spice melange gave their helmsmen prescient abilities to see the future of all possible outcomes, enabling them to choose safe routes for their ships.
With the destruction of all thinking machines in the Butlerian Jihad, The Spacing Guild was able to develop a unique monopoly in interstellar travel.
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Dude I got so baked on spice I figured out how to move between solar systems
Are you sure you didn’t just bite someone’s face off?
Sooo?? Spill the spice
Definitely wouldn't want a half-baked Navigator...
Hahahaha bro dune is insane lol the lore is through the roof not to mention hilarious 😂
@@MrBLAA mmm I love biting face off 😋
I can’t get over how deep and cool the lore and language of Dune is, and then there’s “spice melange.”
yep... it's a whole lot better than sandworm excrement
@@santosl.harper4471 why?
The name Duncan Idaho
You guys are sayin what i've bean thinkin
And Paul. The most powerful guy to be born in thousands of years? Paul.
I like how 1 in every 10 ships ended up in a Star, black hole, or planet, despite the vastness of space. I guess they would explain it in-universe somehow like travel lanes are somehow intrinsically linked to gravitational wells and it takes way more computation to avoid crashing.
I think the main reason for this is that all pilots were traveling towards things they could crash into: planets & moons & star systems. They don't try to end up in the 'middle of' empty space.
If you consider the Brian Herbert books canon, it’s much more than winding up inside things. 10% or so of the early space folders were just lost. Many just never rematerialized at the destination, wound up on the other side of the universe, or potentially trapped in some alternate universe. The Holtzmann engines can take a ship literally anywhere in the universe (or other universes, in the case of the Brian Herbert sequels) and without a navigator (or, later, essentially thinking machines) to guide it, it could wind up anywhere.
Jeez, haven't these guys ever heard of a map?
@Pigzorkly There is still a hell of a lot of empty space out there. You could try and stop half a days space travel away and be in vast open space. Planets and sun's are huge but the distance between even neighbouring bodies is vast!Must be a bit more to it if a huge 10% don't make it.
@@chrisaustin663 My understanding is that galaxies are so empty that when the Milky Way and Andromeda collide in however many million years, if there were still people here there would be no effect that they would be able to perceive.
My brother made a film in 5th grade. Dune(in 10 minutes or less). It was amazing and so loyal to the book(I know a 11 year old being obsessed with the book but he was and a gifted reader). It had my uncle and little cousin in sleeping bags playing the worms, hilarious. I wish I could find it but it's on some unmarked VHS who knows where. At least I can remember chunks.
Oh please find it one day. Would love to watch it.
Please look for it id love 2 watch
just reading about the sleeping bag-worms made my day !!
I would pay to watch it :-) sounds so adorable 🥰
Yea this would be an awesome watch!
What an imagination Herbert had! He must've had to create a flowchart to keep track of all his characters.
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He probably had a very complicated system to keep it all in order but also probably just kept a lot in his head as well
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Just basic Bible/Islam stuff. Just substitute spice for oil.
Imagination fueled by magic 🍄🍄🍄
You know Villeneuve bout to make these navigators look trippy af. Cant wait for the sequel man.
You have too.
He'll fuck them up, he's probably asking Fabio to play Edric.
@@playbookshowme484 How about you judge it on how it is, once you have seen it, than judging it on what you think it might be.
@@jamesmccann531because the first one sucked and it stands to reason the second one will, unless they actually put in some colorful and interesting characters. As opposed to making everyone and everything grey/black, and boring.
@@andrewj22 if we do see them, I don't expect much. At least, not like what we saw in the 1984 version
I wasn’t expecting a second week in a row with Dune content but I’m here for it.
I am kinda hoping the rest of the dune stuff gets on here like this...
Damn 🫡
I am glad you got the actual mechanics of how Navigators use the Spice right - saying it gave them prescience. The old movie short-cut the explanation. This reasoning became more clear in "Dune Messiah", where the presence of a Navigator was needed to hide the circle of people plotting against Paul, because prescient people confused the prescient senses of others.
They full explanation they give in dune is that the guild uses prescience to foresee dangers in their path and avoid them. Basically suggesting that they have "radar" and can adjust well before a planet or star is in their path because Wormhole through planet = bad time...
But yes, I agree that by chapter house, you have a much better understanding of prescience and how it works. I always imagined Leto 2 having a "sense" that basically "touched" everything within the empire, allowing him to feel the present.
But more importantly, Keynes is now a black woman and Paul is a sissy who it is up to Chani to teach how to be brave. Think I'll be skipping DUNEshit Part II when it is vomitted into the theatre.
@@allhopeabandon7831 🤔 did we watch the same film? Bc the Dune film I watched from most recently…… was basically nothing at all like what you just said.
I’m just making sure we’re clear, and that you’re set straight on the film Dune from 2021. Which is not what you described. Idk what you watched but Dune 2021 was certainly not whatever absolute crybaby drivel you just said. 🤷♂️
Keynes was played by a black woman here because she understood the assignment better than the other actors who may have been in the running.
@@billyalarie929 Well that at least is baloney. Kynes was a checkbox that's all. The characterizations of the people in the 2021 movie were inferior to that of the 1984 movie. Most of the actors were inferior as well. I liked both movies. They had warts but were enjoyable in spite of them.
@@allhopeabandon7831 and what’s wrong with keynes being black..?
I'm glad someone is covering this. There wasn't very much information about them in the movie. We hear about the other houses, but this is one of the groups we never really get information about. And I'm glad you're the one to cover it. Your detail in your videos is really entertaining.
If the next movie holds to the book you wont see anything if the navigators.
Read the books
Read the books - they explain everything and are a very good read actually
Agreed. He does his research and that is one of the things I like about his channel. 🙂
Because the movie is about half of the book and the book is one of many, in the first book they barely touch the navigators
I also LOVE that you made it a point to call out the guild’s unfair treatment of even the Baron Vladimir and his Harkonnens.
Guild Navigators in a Nutshell: "Guys who get so high on Spice that their Trips affect space itself."
Watching all your Dune videos. It makes realize just how many universes and settings, in some way, shape, or form, owe their existence to Frank Herbert.
Yeah, when the first book came out Frank Herbert was on top of the world for a good while.
Herbert: god emperors, ship navigators and hand to hand combat taking priority due to personal shields.
Heinlein: power armor and bug aliens
Niven: Ring worlds and luck as a genetic superpower
Tolkien: Orcs, Elves, dwarves, and half humans as foils to examine the nature of Heroism. Specially created languages for your factions
These are the vanguard, after which everything that follows mix and matches many of those themes.
Roddenberry: space ships as future navies. Transporters and phasers. Copoes Tolkien with fictional languages, copies herbert with folding space, Andromeda copies Herbert with needing human navigators. Klimgons and Vulcans are basically dwarves and elves being foils for humanity too.
Star Wars. Copies Flash Gordon but also the motif. Copies dune with the prescience and hand to hand combat jedi. As well as sand planet setting.
Baxter: space shops as AI with personality, copied by Andromeda and halo
W40k: copies the god Emperor, orks, elves, space bugs and power armor motifs
Halo: also copies power armor and other stylistic elements from heinlein, somewhat unique in introducing zombie virus but is still basically the borg/tyranids
You forgot Lovecraft and his dream like nightmares, old ones, black goo etc. Well said otherwise.@@cosmictreason2242
@@cosmictreason2242imagine giving Dr Who no credit for Cybermen as a virus
I liked how the 1984 film addressed the power of the Guild in succinct terms. The Navigator held the Emperor in contempt and dictated terms.
Except in the books they are equals. The Emperor, the Spacing Guilds, and the Major Houses all had equal power and worked as a system of checks and balances.
@@anthonymaslow798 Except they really didn't
@@anthonymaslow798 I theory sure, in practice nope. Interstellar travel is far more important to the Empire than the Empire is to Navigators.
In the movie Dune, I loved the gold bug-like eye glasses worn by the Guild translators which walked next to the Navigator tanks. This seemed to be modified in later movies.
Honestly ive been waiting for more dune content from FCE. Love your narration and editing, it makes this incredibly large and complex universe more understandable. Ty❤
Major blunder for Villeneuve not to bring back these guys in Part 2. Guild members were meant to be present in the final scene where Paul threatens to destroy the spice forever. That's how the Fremen were able to get to space to start Paul's holy war, the Guild pilots had no choice but to follow Paul's orders to fly them out.
Oh, when Paul threatens to nuke every field of spice? Does he blackmail the navigators with that threat?
@@donperegrine922yes
I think that will be an added scene in part 3 cuz it would help it make sense
Yeah, major blunder for the man who created two amazing films, let's criticize him for not doing what you wanted.
@@aurorapaisley7453I also think they're going to be in the 3rd film. Parts 1 & 2 didn't have enough interstellar travel to introduce a whole new set of people. I feel like Denis was mostly focused on telling Paul's story on Arrakis, it would have felt out of place to introduce the Spacing Guild.
I watched this for the first time during Christmas break and was blown away by the world and visuals, I can't wait for part 2
Great video thank you. If the quality of the first film continues I could only dream of the entire saga being told. I suspect I would take about 20 years but it would be so glorious
I agree the new movie was fire I'm hype for the next but tbh the old one was amazing as well. That and alien still hold up imo
I've been eating up these Dune explainers and I was pleasantly surprised by the depth of research. I hope you'll do Ix and/or Bene Tleilax next! :)
You make no sense nor display the required reasoning.
Bravo, very nice video, background and presentation! Love DUNE and everything DUNE related.
Really love the detail that spans across the volumes of the series. Appreciated. The amazing quality images made it feel like watching a mini-production. Great touch.
You're very talented and you put a lot of effort into your work. It really shows. You're crushing.
You failed to mention a really cool point - the way that the Guild took suspicion off of the spice was by highlighting its life-prolonging features... which kept people focused on that and not the fact that it was crucial to folding space.
He did mention that though.
The spice is not used to fold space though
Gotta Love these Explanation Videos you Create!! They help a lot to learn about the Lore of these Series with compact and Understandable Detail!
Banging Chani and making mutated sandworm babies is priceless 🤣😂
The water of life probably cause the mutated babies.
Dune had incredible world building. Even though you have little idea of the purpose of the Houses and such, you know just enough to become invested in the world. I doubt the movies will ever get all the lore and stuff from the books, but I really enjoyed watching it.
Don't forget how stunning and brave the new and improved Keynes is...I refuse to watch the new movies bc when we do, we will continue to get lefty 'corrected' IPs rather than faithful adaptations.
@@allhopeabandon7831 It's not lefties modifying IPs.
Liberals and corporations are not left.
@@zacheryeckard3051 I take it you haven't been paying attention...Liberals have absolutely been co-opted by the Left, at least most of them, and lets talk about some of the most powerful corporations the world has ever seen and Leftist dogma (Facebook, Amazon, Twitter (until recently) RUclips, etc) They all have their Lefties whispering in their ears about the Patriarchy, Institutional Racism, CRT, Woke Militant Feminism, etc. You think there is no correlation to why Hollywood is failing so badly? It used to be that corporations were not political, they were financially driven, well, as you can see in the past 10 years, the big Corps you talk about would rather write Lefty propaganda and ideology into their scripts and productions, than make media for the fans, based exclusively on the creators vision. Even the writers they hire are all Lefty activists...why do you think The Witcher and The Rings of Power are failing terribly when they both had a baked in, ready-to-part-with-their-money, fanbase? 20 years ago, movies were made FOR the fans, now they are made to preach to them, and for woke writers and directors to virtue signal to one another.
@@allhopeabandon7831 That'a not what "the left" means.
I should know.
I'm a leftist.
Market Socialist and everything.
You confuse progressivism with "the left" because you listen to morons who can't tell the difference or worse, intentionally mislead you.
@@zacheryeckard3051 Okay...so I'm talking about the 'Progressive Left' then...bc their is no progressive Right...I should know, I'm a free market capitalist Righty, bc socialism always leads to mass starvation and murder...and NO! Sweden is not Socialist.
I'm really enjoying these thanks for the hard work.
I enjoy these videos, being able to learn lore in an understandable, succinct way is awesome!
Awesome to hear Dakkota23! Thanks for tuning in :)
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Or look it up or read the books. But both take strenuous work.
for idiots only that cannot read a book for themselves
You did not just use the phrase "gigachad for the ages" and move on like that was normal.
Loving the Dune content. I was watching the last video on the Mentats and the scene where the Emperor's envoy arrives in Caladan showed a few navigators in the background and I thought "Man, I wish he made a video on the Spacing guild and the navigators". Aaaaaand you delivered 👏🏼👌🏼
Those weren't navigators in the background, navigators are not bipedal humanoids anymore, they travel around in tanks of melange like big fish lol
@@FistOfNorthStar3 You're right 🤔. But then those would be like trainees maybe? They seem to show bodily changes and wear melange head tanks as well as being described as "Spacing Guild representatives".
A third stage Guild Navigator is no longer ‘human’. The spice has radically altered their forms
Man, your dune content is dope af.
Excellent dive into Dune's space travel. I've read the main book series and this still opens a lot of thought.
I love the navigator scene from the 80s movie. They didn't hold back, it really looks like something out of another world.
Another great dune video thanks.
I've been here since the low thousands, and you're nearing a milli?!?! Well earned, my friend. Well earned.
Okay fellow Dune fans im going to nitpick and correct me if I'm wrong. I heard the line "the spice enables the navigators to fold space." I took notice of that and immediately thought...no...the spice gives the navigators the limited prescience to find the timeline that allows the flight to arrive safely at the destination. The Holtzman effect engines fold the space when the navigators determine it is safe to do so. That's always been my understanding of the process. If I'm wrong I'll admit to it but...am I? Let me know.
Correct. I think it's just saying you can't use the holtzman drive to fold space without the spice
@@theredbear7174 you can use the holtzman drive to fold space but without spice you might end up dead
@@brettm3431 yeah, I meant to say safely fold space
All the Dune lore before and after Dune the books is like...THE most wild shit, no matter how often I hear it.
your work are always so good and very informative with the lore, keep it up 👍👍
Outstanding explainer. Thank you.
Really good video, great job, thanks for sharing!
Loving the dune content
Loving this series
Great detail. Very comprehensive presentation.
Yet again binge watching the dune videos 👌
Muad'dib said: "The eye that always looks ahead to the clear, safe course is closed forever."
The fact that starship accidents skyrocketed after he relaxed safety regulations upon taking the throne is an often overlooked factor in why so many people were plotting against him.
I dont remember reading about that? What book was that in? Messiah or Paul of Dune?
Hey Niat. Can you explore Dune’s philosophical ideas? I’d really like your take on the universe and all of its hidden meanings. ❤
'In my Father's house', by the Princess Irulan.
Thank you for all of your hard work.
Great stuff! Thanks for doing such an indepth explanation of the Guild and it's Guild Navigators!
Also hopefully you'll credit the appropriate creators of all the amazing art, that's in the video!
Who is here after watching Dune part 2
Your mom...
another great lore video
Thanks champ!
Thank you for your content!
Keep'm comin with the Duniverse
I don't remember Norma dying in the books. I'm pretty sure she was in the very last book as the "Oracle Of Time" and the only brain damage I remember was when she left Blood's planet heading home. I remember in the last book when the Guild was cutting off spice to the nagagators they were upset she was only focused on finding the noship.
I'm pretty sure everyone knew were spice came from based on the books. Well if you include the books by his son and Kevin Anderson. They used it as a recreational thing until it was discovered to help fight off the plagues sent by the Thinking Machines in the jihad. I'm reading Mentats of Dune at them moment and they've been known where spice comes from and have been taking over or destroying rival shipping companies and replacing them with navigators. (Although I don't think the spacing guild itself is officially formed until Norma negotiates with the new king after they killed his brother.)
I agree, I don't remember Norma dying in the books. She kind of just fades in to myth until the oracle of time shows up in the last book.
She never does, she is theoretically still alive in the peace of time and is consulted by every new navigator when they pass through.
Wow that was a really deep lore video. Well done
I fall asleep to your vids and this is my fav
Read the the book 2x, listened to the audio book once Watched the movie a dozen times and still cannot get enough Dune Lore. 😅
I just started Dune Messiah and I'm blown away with how good these books are. I'm sorry I never read them before but I was kinda hooked on GoT for a LONG time but this is just as good so far.
Thank you! Great video!
This was awesome, thanks
Need to do a line of spice
Nice more Dune Content!
More to come!
Good stuff , like it
This is great! Thank you Sir..
I really loved these guys in Dune Part 2. Oh wait...
Your videos are immaculately researched. The presentation is top notch. I wonder if a potential collaboration with Nerd Cookies is possible?
This would break the internet and I FULLY NEED IT.
except for the part where he talks about the Guild as a memeber of C.H.O.A.M (CHOAM) and calls them Comb, other than that its exquisite
researched?
the only source for info is the actual books ... what other 'research' is there to do on a fictional work? please
reading them is not research and making videos based upon reading the books is not analysis or anything of value
videos like this are for idiots
Great synopsis! Great presentation!
Would Luv to see same about Chaptethouse DUNE.❤😊
Great video. I love it.
Would love to see a movie focused on Norma Cenva the most powerful force in Dune. The first navigator who became pure energy.
That would be fantastic!🪐
She didn't become pure energy, she became deus ex machina
And Duncan became "even bigger kwisatz haderach"
Dune content is fireee
These Dune Videos are so awesome 👍😎
I love these images !!!!
Could’ve sworn it was the Holzman effect that allowed space folding and spice gives the Guild prescience to not hop into a star or black hole
Thats EXACTLY what the books say.
This is correct
Folding space ain't like dusting crops, boy. You don't take enough spice and you could fly into black hole and that would end your trip real quick!
I read your comment and all I could hear was Han Solo explaining hyperspace to Luke.
About the only thing that piece of shit Cronenberg made got right were the names. "Weirding modules"? _Really?_
@@richardhebson2461 Didn't read the books , tho , didja ???
The way that the Guild speak to the emperor shows you how much clout they actually have. Until Paul arrived.
Yes, the guild are the real power in the universe. But they have to live symbiotically with the emperor and the houses (and all the other schools). Paul overturns the whole system.
@@nineblessednineadorednined9214 I think the Lefty director will have to make Chani overturn the whole system...she'll just tell Paul what to do, kinda like what they did with The Witcher, or, as I call it 'The Yennifer Show'...
@@allhopeabandon7831 Just don't watch "Little Women".
@@allhopeabandon7831 smallest dicked comment on RUclips.
@@allhopeabandon7831 Why would you watch a movie from a book by such a lefty authour as fraank herbert and expect it to encourage YOUR rightie prejudices ???
What fun. What a concept he had. It is such an interesting story.
Very informative.
If human life is considered precious in the Dune Universe, why is slavery allowed? Why do the Harkonnens allowed to run wild?
Rather than human life, it’s more a celebration of humanity, whether that be humanities’ propensity to enslave or be enslaved
I was wondering seeing as you've looked into Dune a lot as of late have you ever considered doing a video on Dune's distant 'half-relative' Homeworld?
Seeing as it was Dune inspired I believe you'll especially like the cultural and historical touches the lore holds even if it is at times vague around some parts.
It says something about Homeworld that any unrelated sci-fi video that has even a modest number of views inevitably draws a comment about or comparison to Homeworld. It leaves an indelible mark on anyone who plays it.
@CptRogers is right. The story of the Hiigarans is epic and video-worthy for sure.
New to your channel, great content, all the best
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe and Merry Christmas 🎄
The Spice Must Flow.
I’m really disappointed that you didn’t cover Norma Cenva’s sister…it’s really important in the story, and as I know there’s too much information to cover, the writers/editors left out a lot of gruesome details, and they left out some really beautiful/grotesque parts of the story. I still enjoyed your version, and you can’t put it all in there…but parts of it were quite lovely.
She had a tremendous impact on our development, as well as her sister’s…
Another awesome video! BTW, the Guild Navigators didn't Fold Space. The Spice gave them the ability to properly and safely Navigate Folded Space. Hence... Navigators.
Spice make folded space folded she says at beginning of video, "the spice gas is used to fold space"
@@malibuhiegts it's not though. Spice doesn't have anything to do with folding space.
@@adamplentl5588 then why does folded space have something to do with spice? Thrice now it's like wat
@@malibuhiegts it doesn't. Spice grants a type of limited prescience which allows a navigator to navigate folded space by seeing into the the futures of possible courses. Spice itself has nothing to do with actually folding space in the first place.
@@adamplentl5588 then why is space centered around folding space, using spice?
Great dune content.
The spice must flow , so the space wizards can get high and tell us where to go .
But I already have a PS5 . How about you give it to someone else and you shout me out in your next video.
Would you ever considering sharing your sources for the images used in these videos? Or are they your AI creations? I can't seem to find it in the description. I enjoy these videos a lot and would like to know which artists works are featured and/or which images come from your own or someone else's prompts. As a fantasy illustrator this transparency would add another level of enjoyment to watching.
Real.
Its funny how every time people mention not being credited, he deletes the comment.
Really cool frank herberts imagination must’ve been unbelievable
honestly anything dune related deserves a like
Norma’s story is very interesting, as I’ve fallen asleep countless times trying to watch ANY version of Dune. Good books rule🫶
Norma's story is non-canon Brian Herbert garbage.
@@tigerpjm it’s all a made-up science fiction story, canon would be absurd and restrict the creator from adding to an already fake story.
@@KillsAll.
Fine.
But completely contradicting the original work is unforgivable.
As for being impossible to add the story...? Yeah, I'm fine with that. Keep the fanfic to the reddits
@@tigerpjm oh I agree with keeping continuity, Star Wars Disney has done that bs merch rewrite to sell toys, I don’t know Norma’s story but it’s very interesting and Paul Atreidies is the most boring character just a tad more boring than Luke skywalker
@@tigerpjm AH , That's why I was wondering WTF people were talking about .I've read all 6 of FRANK's books but only the 1st chapter of one of Brian's pot--boilers (That was all I could stand ). I've not seen the movie , so i'd never heard of Norma Whatever !!
This should've been a show. Was really hard to follow learning names when the film came out as I was new to all this. Very interesting universe but I found it hard to really invest in characters as there was so many introduced for a 2hr film. Looking forward to part 2 regardless though
Get and read or listen to the books . Only the 6 by FRANK Herbert . The books by Brian are pure crap designed only to make money !!!
There was a show
@NecromancyForKids not based on the Dune story were watching, it's based on the continuation of the original Dune
Read the books…
Well done
These videos serve to remind me to finish reading the last 3 books
Considering the time frames spoken of in Dune our present world is a day to day anxiety ridden and short-sighted society.
maybe the Pyke syndicate from Star Wars explained
ooo thats a good one! Adding them to the list, thanks :)
Ooow Dune prt2 wrapped up filming recently. Looking forward to it.
I love your channel. That is all.
Pretty cool idea actually. How would one plot a course through hyperspace without a computer? The calculations required to do that, safely, would be insane. We see this in the butlerian jihad where one out of every ten ships _with computers_ (this was in the transitional period to zero digital devices) was lost per jump because they miscalculated their exit point or vector. And keep in mind, unlike in a lot of sci-fi where FTL has these contrived range limits, in real life if you can open a wormhole and possess sufficient energy you can go anywhere in the universe. Another thing I love about Dune. Prescience is the perfect solution. If you can see every possible outcome, you'd know which one will safely get you through. Then again we know very little about FTL tech in Dune, other than it's based on the Holtzman effect, which is essentially antigravity. So my guess is these ships are opening wormholes using negative mass/energy densities bc the Holtzman effect is the fabled (IRL) repulsive counterpart to gravity. Comes at great cost to the navigators but at the same time is an essential part of human civilization at this point, until the scattering
next the God emperor
Definitely, explain the golden path and the scattering in detail. It's super freaking interesting.
Lovin' it!
Good video!
Film comics events I like your take a look at and the view and analyze the terror mask I had been featured in splatterhouse will you do that please 🥺
Sure. Adding that to the list! :)
I’ve wonder if the heighliner were built on planet or in orbit?
In the Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson books they are built on IX in massive underground caverns. When the heighliner order was completed. A guild navigator folded it out of the assembly yard into open space.