@Crimson Scot Doom 3 is the only doom game I currently have so when he forgot about that the IOS is in it I was kind of hurt. But then again, like you said, most people pretend it doesn't exist.
The map itself was called Map 30: Icon of Sin. How did somebody didn’t know the name of the monster? It was in a basically empty level called ‘icon of sin’ but was bearing a different name?:)
i remember calling it the devil when i was little and my brother corrected me and said it was the Icon Of Sin, and i said the devil is the icon of sin, and my brother said that could be right. it was well inferred the icon was the big thing of the wall either way.
It's easy to confuse when you know nothing about it. Which the author of this video clearly shows as it's almost like they just read a wiki article on it and that's it.
Aye sir! And if people know Wolfenstein well, they end up on Map 32: 'Grosse'. And if they also play it on the xbox, the last map will be: Map33: 'Betray'
@@unfinest yes, and don’t you have to go through the secret exit in Wolfenstein to get to Grosse? I have never played betray, how do you get to that level?
@@denisemarie2360 Yeah you have to go through the **(SPOILERS)** secret in the secret room to get to Grosse. Betrayal is on Xbox only and can be found in Level 2: Underhalls **(SPOILERS)** at the red keycard.
No, wrong. He was definitely exclusively called "Icon of Sin" in Doom 2. The level is called Icon of Sin... The other names you mentioned only appear in the non-canon expansions Plutonia and TNT, and refer to the final bosses of those episodes - not the Icon of Sin. Just similar-looking demons.
For anyone wondering, with doom eternal adding to the lore the icon of sin defeated in doom 2 is a different icon of sin, it was not the son. doom guy killed the first icon of sin, and was later trapped in hell eventually winding up in argent denure whete he became the doom slayer the "betrayer" betrayed the sentinel king doom slayer and his son was revived as the second icon of sin.
@@surjashismukhopadhyay5510 the games themselves doom is one continues timeline doomguy killed the icon of sin went to hell was found by the sentinels the sentinels fell the betrayers son was revived by the demon's as the icon of sin and doomguy become doom Slayer after killing demon's in hell for a good long time Edit: doom eternal makes it very clear doom 2016 and doom eternal are after doom 3 I think
@@N3RD-13 Ok so like the IoS needs a soul to kind of power it, a soul that loses all memory and personality and just becomes a intangible host to the Titan. Probably the IoS in DooM 2 also was recreates in a similar way( John Romero's soul, if I please!). But if a Titan is killed only by the crucible, how did the doom 2 IoS die from just rockets? Also, after betrayer's son got reincarnated, why was the IoS dormant?
SPOILERS the artbook of the game was leaked a few weeks ago, and it includes art of the icon of sin boss battle, and he is not just a head on a wall this time
@@mau7522 yes it is true that the khan makr will once again will resurrect him but this time is going to be a betrayer's son need to be laid to rest before we fight the icon of sin
That doom 2 footage with the maxed ammo and God mode and not on the raised pillar shooting bullets and shells at the icon gave me a slight twitch. You telling me on your gaming channel you didn't have a single person that could have recorded some decent footage for you?
Wait when you said 4 did you mean he appeared in 4 games _between_ Doom 2 and 2016 or are you talking about in general, if the formal one, what other games?
I enjoy the fast gun play to metal music as much as the next man but I often just wanted to clear an area to explore tbh looking for secrets, data logs for lore etc so glad to hear it’s more of a focus along with different environments
I love Door 3, it's definitely one of my favorite games. But in all seriousness this guy probably just read a wiki page, he has no clue what he's talking about.
I guess the arrival of the Icon of Sin means that the world is now part of hell or it could be the means of terraforming any world to become like hell.
You know now that I think about it Doom is just like Kirby. They both have great story but don't need to shove it in our faces instead we have to find it
What? Icon of Sin was in Doom 3. Also cite your sources you begin the video word for word what is in the wiki. "The Icon of Sin appears as a massive, goat-like biomechanical head on a wall, with a surgically exposed brain that allows it to spawn endless scores of demons."
Icon of Sin... Legendary Sandy Petersen explicate. Of course from my interview... - Can you talking about Icon of Sin from Doom II. It’s very different monster from the others. First of all, he is (or she?) on the wall. As a game designer (and one of creator of levels), is this your idea and what’s the background that monster? - "Yes, it was my idea (and my level). Basically, the problem was that we had very little art time available for creating Doom 2. We only had time to add three real monsters - the Revenant, the Arch-Vile, and the Mancubus, and those because they had partly been done for Doom 1, though not used. So, we just finished them. The other new monsters I was able to get the artists to create - the Pain Elemental, Doom Knight, Arachnotron, and Heavy Weapon dude were all heavily based on previously-existing monsters, so we didn’t need new animation frames. But … we needed a final boss that was different from the previous ones, but I couldn’t get permission to create a whole new monster, particular a boss, which always are harder. So, I had the idea to use the ancient concept of “Baphomet” - a demonic creature which was basically a head hanging on a wall, supposedly worshiped by the Knights Templars in the late middle ages. This way I wouldn’t need any animation frames - just a texture. And that’s where the Icon of Sin came from." donanimgunlugu.com/efsane-sandy-petersen-ile-roportaj-192559/2
If we fight the icon of sin then it should happen like this. You come across it, it's head trapped in a wall with it's exposed brain spawning an endless amount of demons, you pump your rockets into it's exposed brain and all the explosions happen that signaled it's destruction in doom 2, but this time, those explosions free it from the wall and the battle continues, this time with its limbs exposed and usable. You fill in the rest.
@@Ragingknight12 Wow, I never noticed how similar they look until now. Granted, I gave up on Doom 3 before I got the plasma gun because it was just not an enjoyable Doom game.
Wrong wrong wrong! This whole video is wrong! Everyone knew the Icon of sin's name was the Icon of Sin since Doom 2 first launched in 1994! Everyone called him that because that's what the level's name is called and John Romero confirmed it multiple times over the years previous to Doom 2016.
There's a lot of information in your videos that is just completely wrong. there has been multiple doom games outside of the main continuum that feature the icon of sin. Also he was clearly referred to as the icon of sin and doom 2. We see his body in doom rpg even.
"The Icon of Sin has been confirmed to be making an appearance in Doom Eternal where it will be one of the MINI BOSS BATTLES the Doom Slayer will come up against"
Yeah but it could be a first time player or old footage. The first time you play this it isn't really specified that you have to hit his brain and only his brain.
I just defeated the Icon of Sin on Doom Eternal today, and I gotta say that the boss battle before it was way more difficult. Sure, the Icon of Sin is more memorable. But fighting the Khan Maykr is more worthy of a Final Boss Battle.
Me watching this video sever months after doom eternal was released: But the icon of sin can't be the same thing you fight in the original doom games. The betrayer's son doesn't die until several years after the Doomslayer choses to remain in hell after the events of Doom 64
I’d just call every final boss by there actual name, the one in tnt evilution looks exactly like the icon of sin but his name is the demon spitter, with the one in plutonia being called the gatekeeper
Look Doom Slayer is John Wick's Dad..lemme explain, we all know the real reason Doom guy continues to go after Hell is because they killed his rabbit..Then bad men of fairly unknown origin kill John Wicks puppy..coincidence? I think not
![Evolution of DOOM [1993-2025] (NEW)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zbekxyuW6x8/mqdefault.jpg)
Virgin betrayer: makes a deal with demons to get his son back
Chad slayer: kills evey single demon in hell because they killed his rabbit
I fucking love this comment
@@skrrtskii6234 thank you
@@trashyhobo4957 cool
@@trashyhobo4957 who
What kind of question is that?
Every one know that the Icon of Sin IS John Romero head on a stick, hell the icon it self says that.
This channel always has garbo content and rips other channels off
@@thedonofthsht76-58 what channels do they rip off? I legitimately don't know
TheDonofthsht76 - no, it says on the doom eternal codex page that the icon of sin is the betrayers son.
@@arandomyorkshireman9678 "To win this game you must kill me, John Romero" and you shoot the icon of sin.
Nough said :P
Your likes count tho, keep it that lol
*It also made an appearance in Doom 2 RPG where you see more of its physical body and.. a virtual one....* 🙂
the only member of the doom community that makes videos, and KNOWS WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT!
VIOS , VITRUAL ICON OF SIN
Goddamit doom 2 RPG is such an underrated gem , i wish more pepole played it
@Crimson Scot Doom 3 is the only doom game I currently have so when he forgot about that the IOS is in it I was kind of hurt. But then again, like you said, most people pretend it doesn't exist.
Alex Woods if you get eternal you can play doom 2 for free and doom 2016 like the old doom
@@Kenshin-Xlll I knew about playing doom 2 in eternal but could you explain the doom 2016 part?
The longer the Icon of Sin stays on earth, the stronger he becomes.
@@Red79201 the stronger he becomes.
Did you guys know that the longer the Icon of Sin stays on earth, the stronger he becomes? Not sure if it was mentioned or not.
The longer the icon of sin is on earth, the stronger it becomes
Well that didn’t last long did it.....
Samuel says it like 3 times in a row
>Casually dumps rockets at a wall instead of the brain, while having noclip on
Amateur.
And God mode enabled, this has to be the shittiest Doom 2 gameplay footage I've ever seen.
@@Unobros thank you unobros,I was worried I was gonna have to say it.
Fact: The longer The Icon of Sin is on Earth, the stronger it will become
A random bird YT fact: the bfg is now firing
We know. 😒
Wrong
The longer the Icon of Sin is on earth the Thiccer he becomes
Fact: The Icon of Sin is John Romero's head on a stake.
@@Smelvinballs bird
The map itself was called Map 30: Icon of Sin. How did somebody didn’t know the name of the monster? It was in a basically empty level called ‘icon of sin’ but was bearing a different name?:)
i remember calling it the devil when i was little and my brother corrected me and said it was the Icon Of Sin, and i said the devil is the icon of sin, and my brother said that could be right. it was well inferred the icon was the big thing of the wall either way.
It's easy to confuse when you know nothing about it. Which the author of this video clearly shows as it's almost like they just read a wiki article on it and that's it.
literally EVERYONE has been calling it the icon of sin since the first time it showed up in the level: Icon of Sin....
he never played classic doom. just like most journalists, they do not understand the subject they report on.
You have to be mentally ill to not know that its the Icon of Sin when the level is called "Icon of Sin"
@@Poglavnik088 oh it's the ustaše guy
Thank you. I thought I was going crazy.
The name ''Icon of Sin'' originates from Doom 2. The stage was called 'Icon of Sin' and it was Map 30 , followed by Map 31 named Wolfenstein.
Aye sir! And if people know Wolfenstein well, they end up on Map 32: 'Grosse'. And if they also play it on the xbox, the last map will be: Map33: 'Betray'
@@unfinest Never played ''Betray''. It's in none of the Doom 2 versions I own. Interesting.
@@unfinest yes, and don’t you have to go through the secret exit in Wolfenstein to get to Grosse? I have never played betray, how do you get to that level?
@@denisemarie2360 Yeah you have to go through the **(SPOILERS)** secret in the secret room to get to Grosse.
Betrayal is on Xbox only and can be found in Level 2: Underhalls **(SPOILERS)** at the red keycard.
No, wrong. He was definitely exclusively called "Icon of Sin" in Doom 2. The level is called Icon of Sin... The other names you mentioned only appear in the non-canon expansions Plutonia and TNT, and refer to the final bosses of those episodes - not the Icon of Sin. Just similar-looking demons.
It's a super bare level other than the boss figure, too. The title cant be referring to anything else.
No really
Thank you local loser.
@AT-AT 217 Irrelevant to my argument.
Yeah not to mention this dweeb fucking iddqd'd through the damn level.
The Icon of Sin's head will make an excellent trophy for the DoomSlayer's trophy room.
Your disembodied head will make a fine addition to my collection
Dr. Shoggoth ...
@Mal Theri It's called a reference you doofus
Ha, they have cheats enabled on the Doom 2 gameplay.
Jonathon Shircliffe Nah its just a no hit run lol
@@jojoriggs7801
Sure, with a god mode golden eyes overlay on the character sprite, lol
they steal video ideas from smaller youtubers and repurpose them to sound like a journalist video.
@@by2083 yup i hate this channel. They straight rip lists from other channels and rearrange them and put it out the next day
they also took 20 damage from a hell knight stomp in 2016......so they must be on baby difficulty on that one too...
WAIT!
What if the betrayer's son IS John Romero?!
For anyone wondering, with doom eternal adding to the lore the icon of sin defeated in doom 2 is a different icon of sin, it was not the son. doom guy killed the first icon of sin, and was later trapped in hell eventually winding up in argent denure whete he became the doom slayer the "betrayer" betrayed the sentinel king doom slayer and his son was revived as the second icon of sin.
Bruh thanks for mentioning the difference (I just finished Eternal) but please use periods, it was kinda hard to read
@@andrewh978 better
Thank youoooo!! This was bugging me a lot. But can u guarantee that what u say is from a legit source?
@@surjashismukhopadhyay5510 the games themselves doom is one continues timeline doomguy killed the icon of sin went to hell was found by the sentinels the sentinels fell the betrayers son was revived by the demon's as the icon of sin and doomguy become doom Slayer after killing demon's in hell for a good long time
Edit: doom eternal makes it very clear doom 2016 and doom eternal are after doom 3 I think
@@N3RD-13 Ok so like the IoS needs a soul to kind of power it, a soul that loses all memory and personality and just becomes a intangible host to the Titan. Probably the IoS in DooM 2 also was recreates in a similar way( John Romero's soul, if I please!). But if a Titan is killed only by the crucible, how did the doom 2 IoS die from just rockets? Also, after betrayer's son got reincarnated, why was the IoS dormant?
I like that they pay so much respect to the original doom creators
Uhhh we knew it was called the Icon of Sin back in 1994 since that’s what the level was called...
I would like to fight the icon of sin in Doom eternal. Will be awesome
SPOILERS
the artbook of the game was leaked a few weeks ago, and it includes art of the icon of sin boss battle, and he is not just a head on a wall this time
Mauricio Céspedes got a link?
@@SonTaicario www.mediafire.com/file/2o5pst77qx3bddu/The_Art_of_DOOM_Eternal_%25282020%2529_%2528Digital%2529_%2528WhiteHorse%2529.cbz/file
@@mau7522 yes it is true that the khan makr will once again will resurrect him but this time is going to be a betrayer's son need to be laid to rest before we fight the icon of sin
You will my guy
'He will probably be a mini boss during the game" i laughed so hard on that sentence 😂
I think he said “Many boss battles”
Betrayer's Son
"To win the game, you must defeat me, John Romero"
Only ogs know what you mean
I like how the DOOM 2 footage has not just god mode,but noclip on too
In 2016 I came for the badass game play and sweet sweet glory kills, but stayed for that juicy lore.
But its awful gameplay and faulty lore.
That doom 2 footage with the maxed ammo and God mode and not on the raised pillar shooting bullets and shells at the icon gave me a slight twitch. You telling me on your gaming channel you didn't have a single person that could have recorded some decent footage for you?
Every single one of the Doom videos I've seen on this channel is full of FALSEHOODS! it's funny though
Go watch Civvie11 he has an entire series on doom, doom 2, etc. and it awesome and not inaccurate like these guys!
@@TheMuffinMan20k yeah man civvie is cool
I feel sad for this dude...at least he is trying
He showed up in like 4 other doom games after doom 2 so idk what you're talking about him not showing up till 2016
Wait when you said 4 did you mean he appeared in 4 games _between_ Doom 2 and 2016 or are you talking about in general, if the formal one, what other games?
Gaming volt:turn on the bell icon
Me:ICON!?!?!?
I enjoy the fast gun play to metal music as much as the next man but I often just wanted to clear an area to explore tbh looking for secrets, data logs for lore etc so glad to hear it’s more of a focus along with different environments
Super hyped to fight this thing
One of the door 3 dlcs had the icon of sin
You made a funny error if you didn't notice. Wrote door instead of doom.
I love Door 3, it's definitely one of my favorite games.
But in all seriousness this guy probably just read a wiki page, he has no clue what he's talking about.
That was Doom 3, and I don't think Doom 3 is cannon(unless it is and I'm wrong), also RoE is an extension I thought?
Fucking hell Door 3? That game was straight up fire. It also featured Hitler and Stalin fighting to the death
My home's door eternal
So who's here after seeing the newer trailer with the icon seeming to be alive and walking?
Me
I guess the arrival of the Icon of Sin means that the world is now part of hell or it could be the means of terraforming any world to become like hell.
damn this battle was intense and long
Welp, someone obviously never played Doom 2.
Fact fun: the longer Earth stays on the Icon of Sin, the becomes he stronger.
Lo and behold, Doomslayer fought John Romero in the end of Doom Eternal.
I'm so glad hes gonna be apart of this new one.
Nothing is more scarier than a wall texture
You know now that I think about it Doom is just like Kirby. They both have great story but don't need to shove it in our faces instead we have to find it
The longer Earth stays on the Icon of Sin, the stronger it will become.
I feel like we'll fine john ramero's head inside the new one aged to how he looks now
Or maybe Hugo Martin since Romero left in 96
A summory of this video:The longer the icon of sin stays on earth the stronger it will become
What? Icon of Sin was in Doom 3. Also cite your sources you begin the video word for word what is in the wiki. "The Icon of Sin appears as a massive, goat-like biomechanical head on a wall, with a surgically exposed brain that allows it to spawn endless scores of demons."
You should watch Civvie11 he has an entire series on doom, doom 2, etc. and it is FAR more entertaining and its not inaccurate like these guys!
@@TheMuffinMan20k Thanks will do! Lol forgot I made this comment.
The thumbnail is terrifying
Doom guy dies
God:you're going to hell
God*smirks
Doomguy*smirks
Honestly there are as many channels like this as cells in my body
"The Icon of Sin isn't anywhere untill doom 2016" Wait so fighting twice in Doom 3 didn't happen? He was in both the base game and the expansion pack.
Doom 3 is more of one that people doesn't care. It's not part of the main lore it's an alternate universe.
@mark burke Bru why tag me
Wasn't the level called "The icon of sin"?
The longer the icon is sin stays on earth,the more ripped he will be come
So.... John Romero was resurrected by his father hence being stuck on a pile in his head..... in Eternal torment?
Icon of Sin... Legendary Sandy Petersen explicate. Of course from my interview...
- Can you talking about Icon of Sin from Doom II. It’s very different monster from the others. First of all, he is (or she?) on the wall. As a game designer (and one of creator of levels), is this your idea and what’s the background that monster?
- "Yes, it was my idea (and my level). Basically, the problem was that we had very little art time available for creating Doom 2. We only had time to add three real monsters - the Revenant, the Arch-Vile, and the Mancubus, and those because they had partly been done for Doom 1, though not used. So, we just finished them. The other new monsters I was able to get the artists to create - the Pain Elemental, Doom Knight, Arachnotron, and Heavy Weapon dude were all heavily based on previously-existing monsters, so we didn’t need new animation frames. But … we needed a final boss that was different from the previous ones, but I couldn’t get permission to create a whole new monster, particular a boss, which always are harder. So, I had the idea to use the ancient concept of “Baphomet” - a demonic creature which was basically a head hanging on a wall, supposedly worshiped by the Knights Templars in the late middle ages. This way I wouldn’t need any animation frames - just a texture. And that’s where the Icon of Sin came from."
donanimgunlugu.com/efsane-sandy-petersen-ile-roportaj-192559/2
Cool stuff man
The longer the icon of sin remains on earth the stronger it will become
If we fight the icon of sin then it should happen like this.
You come across it, it's head trapped in a wall with it's exposed brain spawning an endless amount of demons, you pump your rockets into it's exposed brain and all the explosions happen that signaled it's destruction in doom 2, but this time, those explosions free it from the wall and the battle continues, this time with its limbs exposed and usable.
You fill in the rest.
Almost right, wow
I think I saw him in one of the doom eternal trailers. He was like giant tho
I'm so glad they kept the OG plasma gun. While the 2016 one was my favorite it was a bit underwhelming.
2016 plasma gun was doom 3s plasma gun.
@@Ragingknight12 Wow, I never noticed how similar they look until now. Granted, I gave up on Doom 3 before I got the plasma gun because it was just not an enjoyable Doom game.
Doom 2016 made you think it was a reboot but he is the original
Wrong wrong wrong! This whole video is wrong!
Everyone knew the Icon of sin's name was the Icon of Sin since Doom 2 first launched in 1994! Everyone called him that because that's what the level's name is called and John Romero confirmed it multiple times over the years previous to Doom 2016.
It's one small detail and you're throwing a tantrum.
And people still called it other stuff
@@fuckinantipope5511 no, no they did not. Over a year later and your comment remains here as a permanent shit stain of misinformation.
Did you know? The longer the icon of sin is on earth, the stronger it becomes...
This aged well
That head in the thumbnail is also the face on the hardest difficulty in doom 2016
*the person who was playing DOOM 2 And trying to kill the icon of sin, has obviously never played DOOM 2*
There's a lot of information in your videos that is just completely wrong. there has been multiple doom games outside of the main continuum that feature the icon of sin. Also he was clearly referred to as the icon of sin and doom 2. We see his body in doom rpg even.
"The Icon of Sin has been confirmed to be making an appearance in Doom Eternal where it will be one of the MINI BOSS BATTLES the Doom Slayer will come up against"
You know I’ve played doom eternal, and I can tell you right now that the icon of sin? The icon of sin is dead
It’s not a reboot it’s a bloody complicated sequel.
He's also the final boss of Doom Eternal
It bugs me watching that doom 2 gameplay. That's not how you fight him at all lol
Yeah but it could be a first time player or old footage. The first time you play this it isn't really specified that you have to hit his brain and only his brain.
@@asall727 game has been out for 25 years, you can at least look it up on how to beat him. Plus he has god mode on
This got recommend 5 months after i played doom
If you tell me in a game that a final boss is the icon of sin the first thing I think of is that I'm gonna fight the devil.
the longer the icon of sin is on earth the stronger he will become...
I just defeated the Icon of Sin on Doom Eternal today, and I gotta say that the boss battle before it was way more difficult. Sure, the Icon of Sin is more memorable. But fighting the Khan Maykr is more worthy of a Final Boss Battle.
Agree
I did it on nightmare and the whole level itself was way more harder
If the icon from the thumbnail looks like the one in Doom Eternal... I'll shite me breeches
I don't get it you can simply launch rockets from the highest balcony just beside the pillar without riding on it with the risk of falling down...
why does the player in the game footage keep trying to shoot the head itself?? this bugged the hell out of me the whole time i watched it.
Wait. So, if his son's soul is traped in the Icon of Sin... Does that mean that The Betrayer's son is John Romero?
Maybe but there are lore hints at doom slayer being related to B.J.Blazcowicz
The doomslayer doesn't have a son, he isn't the betrayer stop spreading obvious lies.
The betrayer is the ancient knight valen 2016 already revealed this
Wow, you guys must be super fun at parties!
Okay, okay, I will edit the comment. Now STFU. Nerds.
I think john in the icon of sin is the person trapped in there
THE LONGER THE ICON OF STIN STAYS ON EARTH THE STRONGER IT BECOMES
The icon of sin is underrated
Me watching this video sever months after doom eternal was released: But the icon of sin can't be the same thing you fight in the original doom games. The betrayer's son doesn't die until several years after the Doomslayer choses to remain in hell after the events of Doom 64
I hate how the Icon in Eternal has pupils. Takes some of the creepyness away
Icon of Sin is a synonym for John Romero if you ask me. Its just the Icon of Sin sounds better for the plot
This is interesting to watch now we know more
I haven't played Doom 2016 in a while but I'm pretty sure we only see the head and not the body.
pby going to need to revisit this seeing how he now has a physical body in Doom Eternal
Wtf! Icon of sin is the map name of doom2... Its not true that the first reference of this was from doom2016
Is this suggesting that the betrayer’s son looked like John Romero?
Нет
We called it the Icon of Sin back in the 90s. What is this guy talking about? That’s what the level was called I think.
Now it's called the icon of simp cause funny
Lesson Learned: Don’t try to bring your loved ones back to life or you’ll regret it
Yeah the icon of sin is the most badass monsters you're going to fight him Doom eternal
What do you mean he wasn't called the icon of sin,the level itself is called icon of sin!
man good video but that DOOM 2016 gameplay with 50 fov hurts my eyes literaly
3:45 *... where it will be one off the mini boss battles... * well about that...
This Icon of Sin in Doom Eternal better have the severed head of Marty Stratton or Hugo Martin in it.
Its only me thinking? that icon of sin from doom 2 not same as from enternal because from doom 2 he died but at enternal he cant die...
I’d just call every final boss by there actual name, the one in tnt evilution looks exactly like the icon of sin but his name is the demon spitter, with the one in plutonia being called the gatekeeper
Why are you using the outdated dosbox and not gzdoom in the doom 2 gameplay smh
Look Doom Slayer is John Wick's Dad..lemme explain, we all know the real reason Doom guy continues to go after Hell is because they killed his rabbit..Then bad men of fairly unknown origin kill John Wicks puppy..coincidence? I think not
Icon of sin? More like cons and sins
the icon of sin is a achild, thats dark