As a Swede, I can attest to the extreme bravery and toughness of the Finns. They may be the only people in Europe who don't fear Russians like the rest of us. As a matter of fact, I believe the Russians have a very healthy respect and fear of the Finns, based on history.....The people of Finland are tough and resiliant. Viva Suomi.
Stalin's words to Finland's army. "Nobody respects the country with a bad army, but everybody respects the country with a good army." Then he toasted to Finland and saluted the Finnish army.
I like this quote from a russki soldier after the WInter War about us Finns, because it's true. So true. "The Finns are not mean, they just really hold a grudge. They remember who has done them harm in the past. God forgives, the Finns do not." If only more russkis had understood and would understand what we Finns are like.
Brothers lets not forget the thruth that we got our asses handed to us in ww2 by Russia. We lasted little while but when russia came with full force we had to beg for mercy and negotiate peace and pay lots and lots of money and stuff to russia.
@@lewisgreenway5065 Russian far east neighbour is the USA, everything is just fine there, but Finland got unnecessary exited, Russia didn’t lose didn’t gain they don’t care Finland is not big player only pawn in the game.
Probably Putler's idiotic games will have some effect on the Russian side as well if NATO's border on the European side doubles. At least the arms dealers win, otherwise there are quite a lot of losers. @@walentystankiewicz8486
@@walentystankiewicz8486 ok if you say so Russian trolls. Finland will not let happen to it what you are doing to Ukraine. shame shame on you. Slava Ukrainia
Sure glad you mentioned one of the most important aspects of Finlands defensive capabilities, and that is Morale! The people I have met from Finland possess a national solidarity and patriotism. Finlands environment can be harsh and they have thrived and prospered through their efforts. Finland stands on their well earned reputation of being united and prepared. NATO joined Finland (lol), we could probably learn a thing or three.
Russia starts a war every 20-25 years. When they loose they seek revenge 25 years latter. Regular pattern. Those that live near them know this pattern is iron clad.
If they didn't want to disturb Putin before they threw that worry right out the window. I think not joining NATO before the Ukraine Russia war was mainly to not piss Putin off. Now they see Putin doesn't need to even exist with his selfish ambition.
@@Alejandrica Huh, what? If I guess correctly what you intend to say, all three of them are the opposite of reality: 1) "Finland and Sweden can't harm Russia": Wrong. Of all the countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland) Finland is the one who can do most damage to Russia, followed by Norway, because those two have a border very near to Kola peninsula. Finland can easily cut of the only rail and road link between St. Petersburg and the Kola peninsula, where a lot of Russia arctic fleet (nuclear armed submarines) and bombers are stationed. Fighter jets of NATO allies can use the air base(s) in the far north of Finland. Finland and Estonia can choke the sea access from/to St. Petersburg, but Finland has a lot more weapons than Estonia. 2) Do you mean "Finland and Sweden can harm each other"? That's absurd. The Nordic countries are best buddies; if one of them would be attacked, the other three would be the first to come to help. Finland harming Sweden or vice versa is (IMO) less likely than Germany trying to harm France, Poland or the Netherlands (or they harming Germany). 3) "They will not enter in NATO" ? They are in NATO already, so technically "they can't enter anymore" but the "can't enter because one is already in" is a pretty nonsense point. Perhaps you meant "the 4 other countries will not enter into NATO": Yes. That was more meant a joke, but on the long run, for all four of them it is not totally unthinkable.
My Great Grandparents on my Mom's side of the family were Finnish immigrants who settled in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I have always been interested in Finnish history. Especially the Winter War of 1939. Here's a link to a good video about the Soviet (Russian) invasion of Finland. ruclips.net/video/tzEgbaaNCQY/видео.htmlsi=QIe1sDP_pFIlteYr And the Ukrainians do truly have Sisu!
The Finnish military reserve has an active reserve of 280,000 immediately mobilized field army, and, a passive reserve of 870,000 fully trained, fully armed and equipped men between 18 and 50 who will join the mobilization soon thereafter. In the Winter War, the active reserve of 180,000 were mobilized from day one and in three months the entire passive reserve of 320,000 had joined the fight. Similarly, a mass conflict would soon enough see the 870,000 reserve plus the standing professional force of 30,000 or so, in total, a 900,000 strong pre-trained army, in action. This is more than Germany, France and Italy can muster, combined. Add to this the recent additional missile purchases - Gabriel missiles from the Iron Dome for the navy and coastal artillery, and the David's Sling for long range air defense for the army, and also 2,400 GMLRS missiles for the 60 strong rocket artillery, and you start to see that this country, population 5.5 million, punches above its weight when it comes to raising a military to defend against Russian aggression.
And a very nice combination with Sweden who might not have a lot of soldiers but a decent amount of nice weapons systems and other countries to, it is a great boost to NATO to get both countries into the alliance
@@adamsaarinen3134 sound so so russian military... don't they sent your described guys to front lines allready ... so your thinking is that finnish will to fight is at paper
Logistics worked in the Winter War when there were far fewer roads, cars, or trains. And this military, motivated to defend the national existence, all have gone through 6-12 months of grueling training, much of it "in the forest", and several repeat drills years thereafter, explains why fitness in Finland is higher than average in Europe.
@@torpmorp1324 In NATO and Finnish militarism now there is no democracy, freedom, free speech, free press, no money - and no independence. Russia has them all.
We have learnt to lose all our wars and our general Mannerheim was skilled to understand when was the right time to surrender ... when the enemy troops started to advance. The Russians loved Finnish people and did not want to harm us. Sweden was much worse in the history.
Finland crossing over to NATO wasn't only a huge accomplishment for the fins but it was also a massive accomplishment for NATO and the alliance. I can't think of another (Sweden too) better Country to ally with then Finland. Of course we've now topped off our top off with Sweden and those two Countries joining NATO actually make NATO a much stronger Force. I think NATO before and NATO after is the difference that changed NATO completely.
Ylpeenä myyt oman maan ylikansallisille yrityksille, jotka käyttää Ukrainalaisia hyväkseen, että saa mineraaleja ja pestyä miljardeja veronmaksajien rahoja. Oot BlackRockin sylikoira.
Welcome to NATO from the U.S. I live in the U.S. in the state of Minnesota. I was always told by my father his parents were all Swedish and spoke Swedish but were born and raised in Kronoby Finland. I did a DNA test for fun. to my surprise I have almost no Swede but am half Finnish! couldn't be prouder. have cousins still in the Kronoby area. family has been there for hundreds of years. hope to visit.
Reason for Finland having quite modest navy in paper, is the shallow archipelago. With modern mining capabilities and specialized training for operating in that environment between thousands of islands and reefs makes it a deathtrap. Large scale invasion from the sea is basicly impossible. Finnish doctrine has always been build around using the nature as advantage and making most out it defensively. Both land and sea.
@@user-kt2kt3iz4z It was a bit scary that it took so long for us to be accepted compared with Finland. I haven’t been able to figure out why, could it have been the other way around? Given the geography, it was important that both joined.
@@Triistone Indeed but I still wonder if Sweden joining Nato was seen as worse than Finland or whether the intent was to create uncertainty? Erdogan was special, like someone on a bazaar constantly worrying that a buyer is willing to pay more than the price being negotiated.
Remember, Finland likes the euro tactical transport helicopter... they have tinkered it to their liking... Like F-18's have been tinkered for maximum operation capability and availbility. F-35 will see same treatment, complete mastery of the weapon, improvement over time by training, modifications and resulting beyond mastery level.
Yeah it was a running joke in the service. "...an unspecified enemy state fires a Iskander -missile..." Or "...any country's military defense's IGLA anti-air..." Or "...crossing the border, like random example, from the east side..."
There are an old saying/joke in the Swedish army that I think may exist also in the Finnish: "Do not assume the enemy come from the east ... it is possible he will try a flanking maneuver."
In some video (I think Perun) he described some hypothetical scenario: "If some country, let's call it totally-not-Russia, would attack Finland, ..." :)
Finland has invested in civil defence, too. Building bomb shelters is mandatory, Helsinki has a massive underground bunker system: ruclips.net/video/4c8fepchRwY/видео.htmlsi=ww0xEqk_tn1Sn5mn
Finland has double the number of what you are removing, and we have double the number of 88mm mortars. And, then Finland has never decreased ammunition production. And in three years, Finland has made 7 times more ammunition.
Putin do that himself, when he say, that Finland is not allowed joining NATO. That, ant Russians attack for Ukraine, change finns opinion almost one night. Before that there was strongly support for "neutrality", and after almost all citizen support joining NATO. President Niinistö say that well: "You caused this, look at mirror".
This is a big lie. Our politicians with the help of media, censorship and special propaganda units made the brain washing and all the experts, scientists and critical politicians were "put to jail without any rights to speak and write". NATO support used to be 20% but because of this propaganda it was rising to 35% (10.000 voters) which was too small to allow the submission of the application to NATO. President was using gallup figures made by his own conservative party which was based on Internet sessions of the database people (1200 friends). The values were ridiculous.
I don't believe that we are going to see huge improvement in navy. Sweden is the leading country on stealth sea vessels, so it would make sense that we protect land while Sweden takes care of the waters. Now that we are in NATO, we can also assume that our friends Germany and Poland has some intress to aid in case of a war.
When half of Americans vote for a rogue state dictator worshiper for president, Europe can obviously no longer trust the United States as a partner. Many European countries have made big mistakes by buying American military equipment. For example, if Trump wins the election, he can render all of Europe's F-35s useless. This is to give his bromances like Putin, Chi and Kim Jong-un the ability to do whatever the hell they want with their neighboring countries. There are of course traitors among the European leaders as well, but we can deal with them. But we can't handle the US stabbing us in the back.
@JoJo: your Russia and India are not welcome to "defend" the Finnish Lapland. NATO nukes with the Finnish ski troops are already there and nearby in case you didn't get the message.
An interesting addition to this video about Finland and their defence against Mordor is how the civilian population is protected. It may be just me but Finland has some *six thousand* bunkers that can provide some serious protection and they are built in some interesting places. I believe this may be a good video but obviously you need to look at the bunker aspect and decide if it's the excellent fit that I think it will be. I do wonder what the unofficial count that Mr Häyhä was responsible for and I hope that it didn't cause him any non physical issues during his life. *Thank You* for the video Wes. 👍
As some have already stated, I don't think Finnish Navy will be changing much even after NATO. The coast is full of thousands of forested islands, so you can't really approach from there with ships as any of them can harbor a number of teams with anti-ship missiles. Finnish Navy is mostly focused on being able to control the critical pathways through mines and be able to do fighting from island to island if the enemy tries to sneak in. In such environments big ships are just liability. The situation is similar with land invasion - The country is full with thick forests so you only have limited amount of pathways that you can use for tanks and controlling those is what FDF specializes for. Likewise, the whole country has been designed for making invasion from east as hard as possible (as you said, total defence), including things like roadways - The main arteries go through west & middle of the country, in north-to-south for moving troops easily where-ever they are needed across the border, but traversing east-to-west (as invader would do) is designed to be difficult with endless bridges and steep hillsides already prepared for explosives for blocking the roadways. Or the fact that there are endless dead-end roads coming from the west and ending kilometers before the border for pre-prepared artillery positions. Or just having active bomb shelters for 4 million Finns ready to be used in 72 hour notice. Total defence. It is not taken lightly here. And for a good cause if you look at the history.
Good video, but you should have used more footage from Finnish Defence Forces. For example in the beginning you have lots of US marines training in Finland, some have finnish gear so it can be hard to spot the difference. And the F/A-18 footage is also from the US. FDF uploads lots of materiel to youtube.
There was a time when Russia wanted NATO membership, this would be a real guarantor of peace in Europe, The West refused because they didn't like peace war was a better option for NATO.
@@walentystankiewicz8486 Russia wanted NATO membership so they could block other countries from joining and then later attack them. NATO was founded to protect countries from Russia.
@@walentystankiewicz8486 russia "joining NATO" was nota benevolent wish. russia had an idea that it would (want to) dominate Europe - basically restoring russian military bases in most of east europe probably, blackmailing East Europeans and then also later West Europeans. As for "real guarantor of peace" in all military alliances wih russia it always ended with military invasion of the members that do not submit, like it was with Hunmgary and Czechoslovakie.
@@rh7018 Russian Federation is not Soviet Union, it is totally different country with different constitution and political structure. All these stories that Russia wants to restore Soviet Union and conquer the entire Europe up to Lisbon is total nonsense spread by Anglo-Saxophone and their friends propaganda. Europe urgently needs peace not weaponisation and military bases.
Actually, the admission of Finland into NATO does NOT change the possibility of Russia to leave the Baltic sea without crossing NATO memberstate borders. That was already an issue before, with both, Öresund and Störebelt being way too narrow for any vessel to pass without stepping on someone's lawn. Hell, there are areas where a vessel could be subjected to small arms fire from BOTH sides at the same time! Let alone anti-ship missiles. The Gulf of Finland, on the other hand, is wider than 24 NM, leaving a stripe of water between Finland and Estonia that could be traversed by any Russian vessel without entering territorial waters of any NATO member state. If that wouldn't be the case, there wouldn't have been any possibility for Russia to get any vessels from St. Petersburg out of the Baltic sea before either. What HAS changed is that any Russian vessel would be in range of coastal artillery from both sides of the Baltic sea. There's no "let's hug the Finnish boundary and therefore evade Estonian artillery" anymore - unless you want to get in range of even more powerful Finnish artillery. But let's be honest, no Russian vessel would make it out of the Baltics anyway. The whole southern coast was in NATO hands already before. Denmark and Norway sitting at the choking points would have caused more than just some issues. That Finland and Sweden are now also NATO members just means that other NATO members have easier access to training possibilities in the Baltics and can learn something about Finnish Sisu.
I was thinking the same, about "hey, but the waterway between Sweden and Denmark is a lot narrower than the Gulf of Finland". The blocking of the Gulf of Finland, however, is relevant in relation to Kaliningrad, which in case of war Russia could only supply by sea because Poland/Lithuania would close the Suvalki gap route.
Is there any defference for Russia since Finland had already been well incorporated in NATO? It became official after so many years. Congrats btw for diminishing to nothing from location in which Russian President used hold negotiation with USA! Well done and all. I am very supportive of that.
Not really, maybe alcoholic Medvedev sometimes says something stupid and offensive, but alcoholism is a really really big problem there. He also tries to please Putin and wants not to fall out of window.
@@torpmorp1324 Russians is not Even no1 country on alcohol consomption. And honey, Medvedev says things that Putin should not, apart from this, all true. So, no, Russia has no problems holding Finland as its enemy.
The waterways between Denmark and Sweden is also a problem for Russia, that make it even harder för the Russian fleet in the occupied Köningsberg to be supplied, if the liberation groups in that area ,called Kaliningrad by the Russians, is getting stronger and active, then Russia have lost most of the strategically points of the Baltic Sea; but this can but the Baltic sisters in danger (Estland, Lettland and Lituania). due to Putin's insane dreams.
well, no. It's over 200 in total, but Sweden has Gripens and Finland still uses F-18 Hornets, but has ordered F-35, to be delivered by 2027 or something.
@@okok-gg5fl Yes, will be, but not "are" (right now)... But regardless of type, yes, the Nordics have 200+ modern fighter jets (of mixed type, and I think that's even a good thing, since different types offer different advantages) for which Russia's air force is no match. I mean, Russia's air force has trouble with Ukraine which has 30+ (or what) obsolete Soviet stuff and a total of 3 semi-modern Western jets :)
If Russia is so stupid that the try to take Finlands eastern part of the country are they so screwed. All the Nordic countries are brothers and sisters and all come to help even if the finns can take Russia out by themselves.
Määrä ei korvaa laatua,suomen ajoitus NATO jäseneksi oli kyllä 100%oikea ilman Ukrainan sotaa putinin reaktio olisi varmasti ollut aivan toisenlainen…..
Jep, itse aina kannattannut Nato-jäsenyyttä, mutta vasta "oikeana hetkenä". Jos ei olisi mitään kriisiä tai konfliktia päällä ni venäjä tekisi kaikkensa estääkseen liittymisen. Olin myös aika vakuuttunut että salaisia pöytäkirjoja oli jo valmiina mahdollisia konflikteja odotellen, ikään kuin "sala liittouma", mutta on kyllä vähän omaa conspiracya se
If Finland does spend more money on its navy, it will certainly NOT be to twart "Russia's Arctic ambitions". Just take a look at a map. To get to the Arctic, any Finnish ship would have to sail south; go between Denmark and Sweden and then head up along the Norwegian coast until it finally reaches the Far North of Norway. Instead any investment in ships will be for the need to support the Finnish Baltic and Bothnian coasts and Finnish islands in the Baltic. Of course, with major costs coming in for 64 new modern planes there won't be that much money over especially when you consider that the ground forces need more new kit too.
Compare that with the 'easly army of my country, Belgium, where there is also not a iod of civil protecting (eg no safe bunkers for the population...).
I mean it's nice to have civil defense shelters, but I think most countries realized that money could be put to better use elsewhere in terms of protecting it's citizens. Not sure any country really continued that protection model after the mid sixties.
1) I guess that not many countries have shelters in same scale as Finland. Did not know that for example Sweden has it. Switzerland, AFAIK, has them as well. 2) @msromike123 The "money could be put better elsewhere" does not apply as much as one might think; it is not, that Finland (the Finnish state) has invested a lot of money in "creating dedicated shelters". Rather, they have very early on put a law in place, that if a building beyond a certain size is built, it is required that it includes a certain amount of shelter space. (Apartment blocks, for example). So, it's like 10-20% more cost for the constructor, not for the state. Additionally, most of the shelters are not "just shelters that stand empty all the time". Instead, it is some big underground facilities which are in peace time in civil use, but in case of war can be emptied of their civil use and converted into shelters within hours or days. Notable examples are an underground swimming hall in Helsinki and a set of sports facilities in/under a hill (Nääshallit) in Tampere. So they have bomb shelter doors, ventilation system and are stocked with certain supplies. Those were, of course, somewhat more expensive to construct than similar facilities the usual way, but more like 10-20% more expensive, not "millions for permanently unused shelter space".
@@msromike123 But yes, I agree with the "money could be put to better use elsewhere" in the general sense. For Germany and everything west of it, from the 90s on situation had drastically changed: 1) Warsaw pact and Soviet Union were no more, Russia alone is a lot less powerful than Warsaw Pact was. 2) Russia was far away, with Polen/Romania between "us" and Russia, Poland etc. now being allies in the EU 3) There was some hope that Russia would evolve into a democratic country **) 4) They were safe under the NATO nuclear umbrella. So the politicians really had a hard time to justify defense expenses (especially personnel and equipment). (So, in that respect it is absolutely true what some in the USA say, that Europe was free-riding under USA's defense capabilities) Finland, however, did not have the luxury of the NATO umbrella. There was always the possibility (and not just hypothetical and unlikely), that Russia one day might attack. So there was acceptance from the population why to spend the money on defense. Chechnia, Georgia and Crimea were stark reminders that Russia was not to be trusted. **) I believe that the getting dedendent on Russia Oil/Gas was at least in part be driven by the same core idea as the EU: strong trading ties make war impossible. As in, "ok, we are now depending on Russia's gas, but likewise, Russia is now dependent on our money". However, Russia tried to stab Europe into the back, as in, "ok, I try to take Kyiv in a few weeks. The Western countries will complain and send strongly worded letters, perhaps sanction us for some years, but on the long run they can't live without our gas", so they accumulated a war chest of 600+ bln USD to sit out that sanctions-phase. Basically same how they did with Crimea. But Ukraine did not fall within weeks, and Europe did not like it to be blackmailed, instead made the effort to ween themselves off from Russian energy. Putin gambled high, and lost high.
I work very very near Russia line. I have radio on all the time , just in case. It's easy to recognice what is Russia tank. It's in flames because Finns has destroy it😂 I trust our army. I know that we can do thinks what others can't. Our airforce is maybe little but much bigger than size. So it's all otherside also.
I would have to disagree when it comes to navy. Finland's needs are mostly patrolling and mining the waters for defence purposes if needed. We have coastal artillery and coastal rockets for naval deference combined with air force. We don't have geographical access to Arctic Ocean since WW2, so the only sea area we are intereasted to defend is between Finland and Estonia. The resources are much more wisely spend defending the longest boarder any NATO country has with Russia.
Agree - Finland invested $12 billion to 64 F35A that included an extra large package of standoff missiles worth $2B - this is the kind of weaponry that better than navy ships can take out Russian assets - together with the Iron Dome coastal Gabriel anti-ship missiles, best of their kind.
If you look on the map the Russian Baltic fleet is in Kaliningrad. That has very little to do with Gulf of Finland. Luckily you are not the admiral of the Navy.
Whilst this video in general is good it is filled with surprising amount of incorrect information. Too much for me to bother to list, but it is like every other sentence has something. It might not change the nature of the video, but it is surprising for a guy who at first glance seems to do okey background research.
@@darkmage7280who knows where the Russian missiles fly, often to unintended countries if at all… well, Russians have chosen their leaders, so they’re held accountable for their actions, although I doubt the votes are counted right and the challrngers given a real chance at all. People should put an end to this, not Putin.
It's still grammatically correct. Finland joined in 2023, but the title is talking about the joining being bad for Russia, so it's grammatically correct.
@@darkmage7280Russia was forced to fight to free itself from the terrorist attack on Donbas launched by the West through Kiev to destroy Russia. Russia defends its own country on its own soil and will drive the Western-funded terrorists who attacked its territory back to where they had left from. Is it hard to understand?? Apparently for some it is.
@@darkmage7280 Who are you, anyway, to ask me? Your mercenaries definitely shouldn't be there. since 2014, how many civilians have died in Donbass, so why didn't you come for Donetsk, but for Ukraine, which launched aggression against the DPR?
The Severodvinsk (Yasen class) sneaked all the way past Findland and past Denmark, deep into the atlantic before being found. The Russians DO have their red octobers. Yasen's arent better than Virginia's, it just goes to show how quiet the latest SSN's are.
When was this? I've seen pictures of the russian subs passing on gulf of Finland, last one was like a month or 2 ago and the sub sightings are somewhere in the news
Finland doesn’t tell Pravda when they find a noisy old Russian submarine. It is better for the enemy to think they are invisible with their Yasen garbage.
russians were walking towards Finland and behind a hill from snowy forrest they suddenly hear voice saying "One Finnish is better than 10 russians!". So they sent 10 russian soldiers and then behind the hill gunfire was being heard and then that same voice again "One Finnish is better than 100 russians!". So they sent 100 russian soldiers and again they heard a lot of gun fire from behind the hill and then that same voice again "One Finnish is better than 500 russians!". So they sent 500 russians and once again behind the hill they heard a lot of gun fire and 1 russian was able to retrieve and came back to tell that the Finnish were lying to them, there was 2 guys.
@@gyderian9435 It is a finnish presidential flag modified to resemble the flag of the wehrmacht.. These guys just picked it from some google pictures or something without realizing how offensive and wrong it is :D But yeah the closest real flag from what that is modified from is the finnish presidential flag aka the flag of the supreme commander of finnish defence forces. You can recognize the flag to be the presidential one from the distinct cross of freedom in the upper left.
@@jakemaanimeikalainen248 yeah I saw that one but couldn't find a version of tve one in the video anywhere. I wonder if it was made by this youtube channel
@@gyderian9435 I think I saw one of these in deviantart or something when I was looking for it. So just someguy having a nazi joke uploaded it online and these guys grabbed it from google pics without checking..
As a Finn I do not much appreaciate you using a picture where the Finnish national symbols are presented in the form of the war flag of Nazi Germany. What does it imply? That Finnish military is trying on the suit of the Wehrmacht? I think you should remove that...
@@jakemaanimeikalainen248 The Finnish flag? That's the Finnish military flag and it has absolutely nothing to do with the nazis. Do your research. Finns have used the hakaristi symbol longer than the nazis have existed.
@@Silveirias How about you shut up and do your own research. I am talking about the flag on the left which is a finnish presidential flag modified to resemble the flag of the wehrmacht. He must've gotten it from deviantart or something. The real finnish one doesn't have those extra lines in the cross and the lion coat of arms wouldn't be a large circle. Check out the wehrmacht flag and finnish presidential flag and you will notice what I am getting at.
So we are sitting out here in 'the jungle' looking at your 'garden'. Our 'jungle' is starting to rock as we now have BRICS with which we can build and we are getting rid of all our 'bad apples' which came from your 'garden' which is fast becoming a toxic pit caused by your own hubris and unbelievable stupidity, which you just keep doubling down on. Good luck Finland, you are going to need all the help you can get!
@@aeye9772 Very childish? The bot (falsely) claimed we're a vassal, and you accuse us of being childish? You people don't even have indoor toilets, ffs.
@@darkmage7280 ofc this is very childish thinking that ruining your relationship with neignbooring country which is bigger and stronger than yours is a good thing and it IS childish to call every user who disagrees with you a bot. Also, somehow using diminishing names for other country's President when yours is a smiling failure is very childish. After all look you were on NATO one year and you got VAT raised cos you need more money for Ukraine from which you aint gonna get anything cos it was sold to yankees. Once again the west is using you as money pouch and war meat and nothing else. Probably beats good and profitable relationship with Russia. Once again, right? How many times did you do that already for the sake of being in The West club? And you are talking about 'vassals'? Anything for being a useful fool to USA and CO.
@@darkmage7280 it is very childish to succumb to some propaganda especially coming from side that has been maraudering since 2014. You know nothing of this conflict aside from what your media feeds you.
As a Swede, I can attest to the extreme bravery and toughness of the Finns. They may be the only people in Europe who don't fear Russians like the rest of us. As a matter of fact, I believe the Russians have a very healthy respect and fear of the Finns, based on history.....The people of Finland are tough and resiliant. Viva Suomi.
Stalin's words to Finland's army. "Nobody respects the country with a bad army, but everybody respects the country with a good army." Then he toasted to Finland and saluted the Finnish army.
I like this quote from a russki soldier after the WInter War about us Finns, because it's true. So true.
"The Finns are not mean, they just really hold a grudge. They remember who has done them harm in the past. God forgives, the Finns do not."
If only more russkis had understood and would understand what we Finns are like.
No fears here, bro!
@@JoriLindrothwe don’t forget our friends either…
Brothers lets not forget the thruth that we got our asses handed to us in ww2 by Russia. We lasted little while but when russia came with full force we had to beg for mercy and negotiate peace and pay lots and lots of money and stuff to russia.
NATO the big winner here but Finland also gains comfort from being in NATO Russia the big loser.
Slava Ukraini. 💙💛
@@lewisgreenway5065 Russian far east neighbour is the USA, everything is just fine there, but Finland got unnecessary exited, Russia didn’t lose didn’t gain they don’t care Finland is not big player only pawn in the game.
Probably Putler's idiotic games will have some effect on the Russian side as well if NATO's border on the European side doubles. At least the arms dealers win, otherwise there are quite a lot of losers. @@walentystankiewicz8486
@@walentystankiewicz8486 ok if you say so Russian trolls. Finland will not let happen to it what you are doing to Ukraine. shame shame on you. Slava Ukrainia
@@walentystankiewicz8486 Some Pawn lol
@@Vikinggirl1679 Ukraine is used to fight for Western Hegemony this is not necessary and was preventable.
Sure glad you mentioned one of the most important aspects of Finlands defensive capabilities, and that is Morale!
The people I have met from Finland possess a national solidarity and patriotism. Finlands environment can be harsh and they have thrived and prospered through their efforts.
Finland stands on their well earned reputation of being united and prepared.
NATO joined Finland (lol), we could probably learn a thing or three.
Awesome comment. I very much agree.
Welcome to Finland, NATO.
You're welcome and welcomed...
Russia starts a war every 20-25 years. When they loose they seek revenge 25 years latter. Regular pattern. Those that live near them know this pattern is iron clad.
like finnish meme goes: other countrys have a army, finnish army have a coutry ^^
Putin has done a great job of recruiting for nato.
Exactly. Vladimir Putin, NATO salesmen of the 2020s:
Finland - done
Sweden - done
Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia - "I'm working on it."
If they didn't want to disturb Putin before they threw that worry right out the window. I think not joining NATO before the Ukraine Russia war was mainly to not piss Putin off. Now they see Putin doesn't need to even exist with his selfish ambition.
Finland has practically been in NATO for 10 years. Total insanity and has got nothing to do with our security.
@@ClemensKatzerfinland and sweeden cant harm russia but another yes and they will not enter in nato.
@@Alejandrica Huh, what? If I guess correctly what you intend to say, all three of them are the opposite of reality:
1) "Finland and Sweden can't harm Russia": Wrong. Of all the countries (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland) Finland is the one who can do most damage to Russia, followed by Norway, because those two have a border very near to Kola peninsula. Finland can easily cut of the only rail and road link between St. Petersburg and the Kola peninsula, where a lot of Russia arctic fleet (nuclear armed submarines) and bombers are stationed. Fighter jets of NATO allies can use the air base(s) in the far north of Finland. Finland and Estonia can choke the sea access from/to St. Petersburg, but Finland has a lot more weapons than Estonia.
2) Do you mean "Finland and Sweden can harm each other"? That's absurd. The Nordic countries are best buddies; if one of them would be attacked, the other three would be the first to come to help. Finland harming Sweden or vice versa is (IMO) less likely than Germany trying to harm France, Poland or the Netherlands (or they harming Germany).
3) "They will not enter in NATO" ? They are in NATO already, so technically "they can't enter anymore" but the "can't enter because one is already in" is a pretty nonsense point.
Perhaps you meant "the 4 other countries will not enter into NATO": Yes. That was more meant a joke, but on the long run, for all four of them it is not totally unthinkable.
Finland is a army with a country. Universal Conscription system and total defence in all activities makes a big difference.
My Great Grandparents on my Mom's side of the family were Finnish immigrants who settled in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. I have always been interested in Finnish history. Especially the Winter War of 1939. Here's a link to a good video about the Soviet (Russian) invasion of Finland. ruclips.net/video/tzEgbaaNCQY/видео.htmlsi=QIe1sDP_pFIlteYr And the Ukrainians do truly have Sisu!
The Finnish military reserve has an active reserve of 280,000 immediately mobilized field army, and, a passive reserve of 870,000 fully trained, fully armed and equipped men between 18 and 50 who will join the mobilization soon thereafter. In the Winter War, the active reserve of 180,000 were mobilized from day one and in three months the entire passive reserve of 320,000 had joined the fight. Similarly, a mass conflict would soon enough see the 870,000 reserve plus the standing professional force of 30,000 or so, in total, a 900,000 strong pre-trained army, in action. This is more than Germany, France and Italy can muster, combined. Add to this the recent additional missile purchases - Gabriel missiles from the Iron Dome for the navy and coastal artillery, and the David's Sling for long range air defense for the army, and also 2,400 GMLRS missiles for the 60 strong rocket artillery, and you start to see that this country, population 5.5 million, punches above its weight when it comes to raising a military to defend against Russian aggression.
And a very nice combination with Sweden who might not have a lot of soldiers but a decent amount of nice weapons systems and other countries to, it is a great boost to NATO to get both countries into the alliance
Half the reserves would never pass a medical to go & fight. Alcoholizm, obesity, drug addiction & the biggest problem is mental illness.
@@adamsaarinen3134 sound so so russian military... don't they sent your described guys to front lines allready ... so your thinking is that finnish will to fight is at paper
280k mobilized in 74 hours and rest 800k in 3 month... logistic is what slows things down
Logistics worked in the Winter War when there were far fewer roads, cars, or trains. And this military, motivated to defend the national existence, all have gone through 6-12 months of grueling training, much of it "in the forest", and several repeat drills years thereafter, explains why fitness in Finland is higher than average in Europe.
Thank you Wes, and thank you to the people of Finland for joining with the forces of good in NATO. Great to have the strong Finnish peoples on board.
Finland has been practically on board for a long time, but it was about time the alliance be made official.
Yeah! We are on the side of democracy, freedom, free speech, free press, and almost everything Russia’s regime is against.
@@torpmorp1324 In NATO and Finnish militarism now there is no democracy, freedom, free speech, free press, no money - and no independence. Russia has them all.
From Finland. We are not going anywhere. But coming here. We can make it difficult indeed
you go enywere border
Good advice to NOT mess with the Finns. 🕶️
Well with a million trained fighters and killers around it’s a good idea to behave even among ourselves.
where?
We have learnt to lose all our wars and our general Mannerheim was skilled to understand when was the right time to surrender ... when the enemy troops started to advance. The Russians loved Finnish people and did not want to harm us. Sweden was much worse in the history.
Finland crossing over to NATO wasn't only a huge accomplishment for the fins but it was also a massive accomplishment for NATO and the alliance. I can't think of another (Sweden too) better Country to ally with then Finland. Of course we've now topped off our top off with Sweden and those two Countries joining NATO actually make NATO a much stronger Force. I think NATO before and NATO after is the difference that changed NATO completely.
I really like your format, the way you explain things is, to the point, realistic and easily understandable. Thank you
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
this is the most important thing for Finland and also all of our neighbors.
You should say as well our new era snipers we beat everyone else in competition
Proud to be Finnish, proud to be a NATO member, Slava Ukraini 🇫🇮🇺🇦
Slava AZOV!
Ylpeenä myyt oman maan ylikansallisille yrityksille, jotka käyttää Ukrainalaisia hyväkseen, että saa mineraaleja ja pestyä miljardeja veronmaksajien rahoja. Oot BlackRockin sylikoira.
Heroiam Slava! 🇫🇮🇺🇦
Welcome to NATO from the U.S. I live in the U.S. in the state of Minnesota. I was always told by my father his parents were all Swedish and spoke Swedish but were born and raised in Kronoby Finland. I did a DNA test for fun. to my surprise I have almost no Swede but am half Finnish! couldn't be prouder. have cousins still in the Kronoby area. family has been there for hundreds of years. hope to visit.
@@Vikinggirl1679 US just like Finland is being ruined by Nato aka BlackRock.
Reason for Finland having quite modest navy in paper, is the shallow archipelago. With modern mining capabilities and specialized training for operating in that environment between thousands of islands and reefs makes it a deathtrap. Large scale invasion from the sea is basicly impossible. Finnish doctrine has always been build around using the nature as advantage and making most out it defensively. Both land and sea.
And there's Sweden right next door. It's all about cost-benefit calculus
So did my country Sweden and we decided to do so at about the same time.
Yes and that was very important decision also for Finland & whole nordic region. Now good Nordic co-operation can take even faster steps ahead.
@@user-kt2kt3iz4z Yes. The 4 Nordic countries have even joined their air forces and put them under one central command.
@@user-kt2kt3iz4z It was a bit scary that it took so long for us to be accepted compared with Finland. I haven’t been able to figure out why, could it have been the other way around? Given the geography, it was important that both joined.
@@TheFrewah Erdogan and Orban playing petty politics delayed it unfortunately. Happy to see the Swedes finally join us
@@Triistone Indeed but I still wonder if Sweden joining Nato was seen as worse than Finland or whether the intent was to create uncertainty? Erdogan was special, like someone on a bazaar constantly worrying that a buyer is willing to pay more than the price being negotiated.
Remember, Finland likes the euro tactical transport helicopter... they have tinkered it to their liking... Like F-18's have been tinkered for maximum operation capability and availbility. F-35 will see same treatment, complete mastery of the weapon, improvement over time by training, modifications and resulting beyond mastery level.
Thx for supporting Sir!❤🇺🇦
Героям слава!
When the forest starts speaking Finnish, then you're in trouble
In practice Finland has only one enemy. Gues what it is....
Yeah it was a running joke in the service.
"...an unspecified enemy state fires a Iskander -missile..."
Or
"...any country's military defense's IGLA anti-air..."
Or
"...crossing the border, like random example, from the east side..."
NATO, in case of war Finland is in the front line of distraction.
Well it's certainly not Estonia! Guess what? Estonia also has only one enemy, guess who?
There are an old saying/joke in the Swedish army that I think may exist also in the Finnish:
"Do not assume the enemy come from the east ...
it is possible he will try a flanking maneuver."
In some video (I think Perun) he described some hypothetical scenario: "If some country, let's call it totally-not-Russia, would attack Finland, ..." :)
Finland has invested in civil defence, too. Building bomb shelters is mandatory, Helsinki has a massive underground bunker system:
ruclips.net/video/4c8fepchRwY/видео.htmlsi=ww0xEqk_tn1Sn5mn
Yes. Unlike our evil mirror image in Gaza, our civilians will be safe in underground tunnels, while soldiers defend them above.
Finland has double the number of what you are removing, and we have double the number of 88mm mortars. And, then Finland has never decreased ammunition production. And in three years, Finland has made 7 times more ammunition.
its 280 000 active reserve and all reserves for war is 900 000 fighters men/women..
Also many older people who arent in reserve anymore, would likely still fight for Finland.
Finland has the right to take back what Sovietunion/Russia landgrabbed during WW2!
You forgot to mention our Killer Summer Airforce aka Sääski- Mosquitoes 🦟🦟🦟🦟
And the reserve summer airforce horseflies
And our arctic special forces named pakkanen and ynnykkä
Perkele !! 👍👍
Putin do that himself, when he say, that Finland is not allowed joining NATO.
That, ant Russians attack for Ukraine, change finns opinion almost one night. Before that there was strongly support for "neutrality", and after almost all citizen support joining NATO.
President Niinistö say that well: "You caused this, look at mirror".
This is a big lie. Our politicians with the help of media, censorship and special propaganda units made the brain washing and all the experts, scientists and critical politicians were "put to jail without any rights to speak and write". NATO support used to be 20% but because of this propaganda it was rising to 35% (10.000 voters) which was too small to allow the submission of the application to NATO. President was using gallup figures made by his own conservative party which was based on Internet sessions of the database people (1200 friends). The values were ridiculous.
I don't believe that we are going to see huge improvement in navy. Sweden is the leading country on stealth sea vessels, so it would make sense that we protect land while Sweden takes care of the waters. Now that we are in NATO, we can also assume that our friends Germany and Poland has some intress to aid in case of a war.
Lisaks muule on soomlastel ka isoviha. 🇪🇪 ⚔️ 🇫🇮
I Feel Relieved that My Finnish Friends in Lapland are much safer, With the US presence there now along with other NATO allies
When half of Americans vote for a rogue state dictator worshiper for president, Europe can obviously no longer trust the United States as a partner. Many European countries have made big mistakes by buying American military equipment. For example, if Trump wins the election, he can render all of Europe's F-35s useless. This is to give his bromances like Putin, Chi and Kim Jong-un the ability to do whatever the hell they want with their neighboring countries. There are of course traitors among the European leaders as well, but we can deal with them. But we can't handle the US stabbing us in the back.
I hope my country leaves there. Our troops should be home and we no longer can afford propping up weaker nations.
@@JoJo-ez3pv"Your country"? US and UK troops are guests here, training with us. 😂 Propping us up? Get back to reality 😂
@@JoJo-ez3pvlol us forces are in finland to LEARN. co operation makes both stronger
@JoJo: your Russia and India are not welcome to "defend" the Finnish Lapland. NATO nukes with the Finnish ski troops are already there and nearby in case you didn't get the message.
Informative video, thank you :)
Thanks for your research. Btw. Your Air Force tunic really looks cool and futuristic.
Finland and its beautiful people are loved by the many. So glad to have our Allies with us. Putin is a huge fool choosing violence over freedoms.
proud to be a finn
An interesting addition to this video about Finland and their defence against Mordor is how the civilian population is protected. It may be just me but Finland has some *six thousand* bunkers that can provide some serious protection and they are built in some interesting places. I believe this may be a good video but obviously you need to look at the bunker aspect and decide if it's the excellent fit that I think it will be.
I do wonder what the unofficial count that Mr Häyhä was responsible for and I hope that it didn't cause him any non physical issues during his life.
*Thank You* for the video Wes. 👍
He got shot in the face but after the war lived a long life as a farmer. He just said he did what had to be done…
Thank putin we get to Nato🇫🇮
Just don't whine when Russia retaliate
As some have already stated, I don't think Finnish Navy will be changing much even after NATO. The coast is full of thousands of forested islands, so you can't really approach from there with ships as any of them can harbor a number of teams with anti-ship missiles. Finnish Navy is mostly focused on being able to control the critical pathways through mines and be able to do fighting from island to island if the enemy tries to sneak in. In such environments big ships are just liability. The situation is similar with land invasion - The country is full with thick forests so you only have limited amount of pathways that you can use for tanks and controlling those is what FDF specializes for. Likewise, the whole country has been designed for making invasion from east as hard as possible (as you said, total defence), including things like roadways - The main arteries go through west & middle of the country, in north-to-south for moving troops easily where-ever they are needed across the border, but traversing east-to-west (as invader would do) is designed to be difficult with endless bridges and steep hillsides already prepared for explosives for blocking the roadways. Or the fact that there are endless dead-end roads coming from the west and ending kilometers before the border for pre-prepared artillery positions. Or just having active bomb shelters for 4 million Finns ready to be used in 72 hour notice. Total defence. It is not taken lightly here. And for a good cause if you look at the history.
Good video, but you should have used more footage from Finnish Defence Forces. For example in the beginning you have lots of US marines training in Finland, some have finnish gear so it can be hard to spot the difference. And the F/A-18 footage is also from the US. FDF uploads lots of materiel to youtube.
And then they have all of us millions of finns born abroad that will be there in need
Slava Ukraini !
Not all gets annual training even if the gear gets upgraded, mostly leaders and special position members gets annual training.
4 new multirole corvettes, not 3...otherwise nice video
I would recommend any country that can join NATO to join NATO.
None of the NATO articles protect you if you invade another country. It's a completely defensive alliance.
There was a time when Russia wanted NATO membership, this would be a real guarantor of peace in Europe, The West refused because they didn't like peace war was a better option for NATO.
@@walentystankiewicz8486 Russia wanted NATO membership so they could block other countries from joining and then later attack them. NATO was founded to protect countries from Russia.
@@walentystankiewicz8486 russia "joining NATO" was nota benevolent wish. russia had an idea that it would (want to) dominate Europe - basically restoring russian military bases in most of east europe probably, blackmailing East Europeans and then also later West Europeans. As for "real guarantor of peace" in all military alliances wih russia it always ended with military invasion of the members that do not submit, like it was with Hunmgary and Czechoslovakie.
@@rh7018 Russian Federation is not Soviet Union, it is totally different country with different constitution and political structure. All these stories that Russia wants to restore Soviet Union and conquer the entire Europe up to Lisbon is total nonsense spread by Anglo-Saxophone and their friends propaganda. Europe urgently needs peace not weaponisation and military bases.
Actually, the admission of Finland into NATO does NOT change the possibility of Russia to leave the Baltic sea without crossing NATO memberstate borders. That was already an issue before, with both, Öresund and Störebelt being way too narrow for any vessel to pass without stepping on someone's lawn. Hell, there are areas where a vessel could be subjected to small arms fire from BOTH sides at the same time! Let alone anti-ship missiles.
The Gulf of Finland, on the other hand, is wider than 24 NM, leaving a stripe of water between Finland and Estonia that could be traversed by any Russian vessel without entering territorial waters of any NATO member state. If that wouldn't be the case, there wouldn't have been any possibility for Russia to get any vessels from St. Petersburg out of the Baltic sea before either.
What HAS changed is that any Russian vessel would be in range of coastal artillery from both sides of the Baltic sea. There's no "let's hug the Finnish boundary and therefore evade Estonian artillery" anymore - unless you want to get in range of even more powerful Finnish artillery. But let's be honest, no Russian vessel would make it out of the Baltics anyway. The whole southern coast was in NATO hands already before. Denmark and Norway sitting at the choking points would have caused more than just some issues.
That Finland and Sweden are now also NATO members just means that other NATO members have easier access to training possibilities in the Baltics and can learn something about Finnish Sisu.
I was thinking the same, about "hey, but the waterway between Sweden and Denmark is a lot narrower than the Gulf of Finland". The blocking of the Gulf of Finland, however, is relevant in relation to Kaliningrad, which in case of war Russia could only supply by sea because Poland/Lithuania would close the Suvalki gap route.
Finland has observated the sea for decades with radar and hydrosonic.
How about just don't fuck with other people and then it doesn't matter who is allied against you?
Welcome to hard north. You don't last long. In Finland we are quite good in arctic warfare.
Oh no, there is like 9 months shitty weather.
I like summer only.
The power of mämmi compels you.
I kinda like it with cream and sugar once in a year.
Yes, we have the occasional interesting thing scattered across our long country
Leningrad Naval base? Saint Petersburg surely
The area in which St Petersburg (and a lot of stolen Finnish territory is) is called the Leningrad Oblast.
Jake Broe channel is another channel to follow if you are interested about Russia and the war in Ukraine.
I’m just sick of shootings and violence and take a little brake from being thinking about them. I believe it’s a good channel, though.
My name is Simo :)))
I look up your claim of Finland countering Russias Artillary power and I don't know how 100 Artillary pieces is going to counters Russia 5.5k Pieces?
Is there any defference for Russia since Finland had already been well incorporated in NATO? It became official after so many years. Congrats btw for diminishing to nothing from location in which Russian President used hold negotiation with USA! Well done and all. I am very supportive of that.
Not really, maybe alcoholic Medvedev sometimes says something stupid and offensive, but alcoholism is a really really big problem there. He also tries to please Putin and wants not to fall out of window.
@@torpmorp1324 Russians is not Even no1 country on alcohol consomption. And honey, Medvedev says things that Putin should not, apart from this, all true. So, no, Russia has no problems holding Finland as its enemy.
The waterways between Denmark and Sweden is also a problem for Russia, that make it even harder för the Russian fleet in the occupied Köningsberg to be supplied, if the liberation groups in that area ,called Kaliningrad by the Russians, is getting stronger and active, then Russia have lost most of the strategically points of the Baltic Sea; but this can but the Baltic sisters in danger (Estland, Lettland and Lituania). due to Putin's insane dreams.
Nordic countries airforce are over 200 f35
well, no. It's over 200 in total, but Sweden has Gripens and Finland still uses F-18 Hornets, but has ordered F-35, to be delivered by 2027 or something.
@@ClemensKatzer it Will Be over 200 f35 when Finland and danish get f35 there Will Be airsuperiority russia cant match.
@@okok-gg5fl Yes, will be, but not "are" (right now)...
But regardless of type, yes, the Nordics have 200+ modern fighter jets (of mixed type, and I think that's even a good thing, since different types offer different advantages) for which Russia's air force is no match. I mean, Russia's air force has trouble with Ukraine which has 30+ (or what) obsolete Soviet stuff and a total of 3 semi-modern Western jets :)
06:24 God damn! That obnoxiously loud bleep made me temporarily deaf and left my ears ringing. 😬
If Russia is so stupid that the try to take Finlands eastern part of the country are they so screwed. All the Nordic countries are brothers and sisters and all come to help even if the finns can take Russia out by themselves.
Russia don't need any part of Finland, don't be stupid and stop watching BBC.
Also Finland like all the Nordic countries are members of Nato. Article 5.
Do same for swiss
Määrä ei korvaa laatua,suomen ajoitus NATO jäseneksi oli kyllä 100%oikea ilman Ukrainan sotaa putinin reaktio olisi varmasti ollut aivan toisenlainen…..
Jep, itse aina kannattannut Nato-jäsenyyttä, mutta vasta "oikeana hetkenä". Jos ei olisi mitään kriisiä tai konfliktia päällä ni venäjä tekisi kaikkensa estääkseen liittymisen.
Olin myös aika vakuuttunut että salaisia pöytäkirjoja oli jo valmiina mahdollisia konflikteja odotellen, ikään kuin "sala liittouma", mutta on kyllä vähän omaa conspiracya se
Mitä Suomella on, mitä Venäjällä ei ole? Suomi on niin intona rientämässä konfliktiin Venäjän kanssa että unohtuu että on kahdesti saatu turpaan.
If Finland does spend more money on its navy, it will certainly NOT be to twart "Russia's Arctic ambitions".
Just take a look at a map. To get to the Arctic, any Finnish ship would have to sail south; go between Denmark and Sweden and then head up along the Norwegian coast until it finally reaches the Far North of Norway.
Instead any investment in ships will be for the need to support the Finnish Baltic and Bothnian coasts and Finnish islands in the Baltic. Of course, with major costs coming in for 64 new modern planes there won't be that much money over especially when you consider that the ground forces need more new kit too.
So serious that they are planning to move their 17 million square kilometer country to another galaxy
With average depth of 55 meters, Baltic sea is hilariously bad place for submarines to be during wartime.
With naval mines added to the mix 😅
Can you do a similar video about Sweden?
Let a cargo ship, ship or submarine cross the Finnish sea because the army knows everything
The only problem in Finland about defence is Ahvenanmaa/Åland islands that are demilitarised zone, so Nato cannot do anything there.
I guess Leningrad kinda applies today 😅
Leningrad Oblast is the are around St Petersburg, including much of stolen Finnish territory.
Compare that with the 'easly army of my country, Belgium, where there is also not a iod of civil protecting (eg no safe bunkers for the population...).
I mean it's nice to have civil defense shelters, but I think most countries realized that money could be put to better use elsewhere in terms of protecting it's citizens. Not sure any country really continued that protection model after the mid sixties.
There are many bunkers in Sweden as this is required by law.
1) I guess that not many countries have shelters in same scale as Finland. Did not know that for example Sweden has it. Switzerland, AFAIK, has them as well.
2) @msromike123 The "money could be put better elsewhere" does not apply as much as one might think; it is not, that Finland (the Finnish state) has invested a lot of money in "creating dedicated shelters". Rather, they have very early on put a law in place, that if a building beyond a certain size is built, it is required that it includes a certain amount of shelter space. (Apartment blocks, for example). So, it's like 10-20% more cost for the constructor, not for the state. Additionally, most of the shelters are not "just shelters that stand empty all the time". Instead, it is some big underground facilities which are in peace time in civil use, but in case of war can be emptied of their civil use and converted into shelters within hours or days. Notable examples are an underground swimming hall in Helsinki and a set of sports facilities in/under a hill (Nääshallit) in Tampere. So they have bomb shelter doors, ventilation system and are stocked with certain supplies. Those were, of course, somewhat more expensive to construct than similar facilities the usual way, but more like 10-20% more expensive, not "millions for permanently unused shelter space".
@@msromike123 But yes, I agree with the "money could be put to better use elsewhere" in the general sense. For Germany and everything west of it, from the 90s on situation had drastically changed:
1) Warsaw pact and Soviet Union were no more, Russia alone is a lot less powerful than Warsaw Pact was.
2) Russia was far away, with Polen/Romania between "us" and Russia, Poland etc. now being allies in the EU
3) There was some hope that Russia would evolve into a democratic country **)
4) They were safe under the NATO nuclear umbrella. So the politicians really had a hard time to justify defense expenses (especially personnel and equipment). (So, in that respect it is absolutely true what some in the USA say, that Europe was free-riding under USA's defense capabilities)
Finland, however, did not have the luxury of the NATO umbrella. There was always the possibility (and not just hypothetical and unlikely), that Russia one day might attack. So there was acceptance from the population why to spend the money on defense. Chechnia, Georgia and Crimea were stark reminders that Russia was not to be trusted.
**) I believe that the getting dedendent on Russia Oil/Gas was at least in part be driven by the same core idea as the EU: strong trading ties make war impossible. As in, "ok, we are now depending on Russia's gas, but likewise, Russia is now dependent on our money". However, Russia tried to stab Europe into the back, as in, "ok, I try to take Kyiv in a few weeks. The Western countries will complain and send strongly worded letters, perhaps sanction us for some years, but on the long run they can't live without our gas", so they accumulated a war chest of 600+ bln USD to sit out that sanctions-phase. Basically same how they did with Crimea.
But Ukraine did not fall within weeks, and Europe did not like it to be blackmailed, instead made the effort to ween themselves off from Russian energy. Putin gambled high, and lost high.
@@ClemensKatzer Nice analysis with a euro-centric view that I had not considered in a few areas!
it is a nightmare for the Finish economie
Actually yes, actually no.
I work very very near Russia line. I have radio on all the time , just in case.
It's easy to recognice what is Russia tank. It's in flames because Finns has destroy it😂
I trust our army. I know that we can do thinks what others can't. Our airforce is maybe little but much bigger than size. So it's all otherside also.
I think you overreacting , although preparedness is always wise. The NATO satellites show us what’s going on.
Meirät on opetettu, että vihollinen tuloo aina Idästä!!!
I would have to disagree when it comes to navy. Finland's needs are mostly patrolling and mining the waters for defence purposes if needed. We have coastal artillery and coastal rockets for naval deference combined with air force. We don't have geographical access to Arctic Ocean since WW2, so the only sea area we are intereasted to defend is between Finland and Estonia.
The resources are much more wisely spend defending the longest boarder any NATO country has with Russia.
Agree - Finland invested $12 billion to 64 F35A that included an extra large package of standoff missiles worth $2B - this is the kind of weaponry that better than navy ships can take out Russian assets - together with the Iron Dome coastal Gabriel anti-ship missiles, best of their kind.
If you look on the map the Russian Baltic fleet is in Kaliningrad. That has very little to do with Gulf of Finland. Luckily you are not the admiral of the Navy.
Well.. Swedens Subs..Are Doing that..
Aaand some locals decided to make the Gov side of Finland into Russia.... Duh!
Pysykööt Ryssät omalla puolella...Nato on nyt täällä !!
Putin do many mistakes, destroy Russia & Rysland...😅
Does Most Americans Know What Kamala, Means in Finnish..Well it means Horrible..
we are a small hearty people, we fight in a bar and the losers are offered beer. Come across our border... it doesn't end there. ;)
nato+++
Finland does not have an arctic coastline
It does, but it's just under russian control currently.
@@Silveiriasin that case it cannot be Finland's coast line.
@@butterflies655 Do you apply that logic to the stolen property of yours too? Just curious.
@@butterflies655if I steal your property, does it become mine and you’re ok with it?
@@torpmorp1324 Of course not. Unfortunately Russia has other Finnish territories under its control as well.
So basicly we are cannon fodders? Our army is defending army not attackin army
NATO is a defence union, not an attack union. Still we must prepare for the worst as we have so far anyway.
Whilst this video in general is good it is filled with surprising amount of incorrect information. Too much for me to bother to list, but it is like every other sentence has something. It might not change the nature of the video, but it is surprising for a guy who at first glance seems to do okey background research.
+ machine gun kills. Which are never taken into account.
Kinzal Iskander hypersonic 50Kt 10-12 Mach Helsinki 60sek
Ok.
nobody cares about your gay missiles
Threatening civilians. How Russian of you.
JASSM-ER, nuclear warhead option, 3m terminal accuracy. That is a real world weapon, comrade.
@@darkmage7280who knows where the Russian missiles fly, often to unintended countries if at all… well, Russians have chosen their leaders, so they’re held accountable for their actions, although I doubt the votes are counted right and the challrngers given a real chance at all. People should put an end to this, not Putin.
Finn Woke is not the same as Finn Viking! Russia must be freaking out of Nordic ladies , they are stronger than Stotemberg for sure!
We just finnished pridemonth. We aint defineatly ready😂😂😂🤭🤭
Finland joining NATO? What are you talking about? Finland joined NATO in April 2023 !!!
It's still grammatically correct. Finland joined in 2023, but the title is talking about the joining being bad for Russia, so it's grammatically correct.
It's nightmare to finland
So true. The only thing that the US now can do is to elect an idiot for president...
They only have idiots for candidates, it is unevitable
I'm from Russia and we don't want war!
Don't scare people, we are not an aggressor.
What are you doing in Ukraine, then?
Please, read news outside your country to see the big picture. The media in your country is controlled by Putin.
@@darkmage7280Russia was forced to fight to free itself from the terrorist attack on Donbas launched by the West through Kiev to destroy Russia. Russia defends its own country on its own soil and will drive the Western-funded terrorists who attacked its territory back to where they had left from. Is it hard to understand?? Apparently for some it is.
@@darkmage7280 Who are you, anyway, to ask me? Your mercenaries definitely shouldn't be there. since 2014, how many civilians have died in Donbass, so why didn't you come for Donetsk, but for Ukraine, which launched aggression against the DPR?
Just answer the simple question, why is Russia waging a war in Ukraine, why did the Russian people want to attack there?
So this guy just read from a wikipedia page?
The Severodvinsk (Yasen class) sneaked all the way past Findland and past Denmark, deep into the atlantic before being found. The Russians DO have their red octobers. Yasen's arent better than Virginia's, it just goes to show how quiet the latest SSN's are.
When was this? I've seen pictures of the russian subs passing on gulf of Finland, last one was like a month or 2 ago and the sub sightings are somewhere in the news
Finland doesn’t tell Pravda when they find a noisy old Russian submarine. It is better for the enemy to think they are invisible with their Yasen garbage.
It is nightmere for Finnish people..
russians were walking towards Finland and behind a hill from snowy forrest they suddenly hear voice saying "One Finnish is better than 10 russians!".
So they sent 10 russian soldiers and then behind the hill gunfire was being heard and then that same voice again "One Finnish is better than 100 russians!".
So they sent 100 russian soldiers and again they heard a lot of gun fire from behind the hill and then that same voice again "One Finnish is better than 500 russians!".
So they sent 500 russians and once again behind the hill they heard a lot of gun fire and 1 russian was able to retrieve and came back to tell that the Finnish were lying to them, there was 2 guys.
BS
You should really be more careful!! How dare you show our flag in a wehrmacht template!!!!!!! 1:46
I'm more curious what flag that actually is. Couldn't find it anywhere
@@gyderian9435 It is a finnish presidential flag modified to resemble the flag of the wehrmacht.. These guys just picked it from some google pictures or something without realizing how offensive and wrong it is :D But yeah the closest real flag from what that is modified from is the finnish presidential flag aka the flag of the supreme commander of finnish defence forces. You can recognize the flag to be the presidential one from the distinct cross of freedom in the upper left.
@@jakemaanimeikalainen248 yeah I saw that one but couldn't find a version of tve one in the video anywhere. I wonder if it was made by this youtube channel
@@gyderian9435 I think I saw one of these in deviantart or something when I was looking for it. So just someguy having a nazi joke uploaded it online and these guys grabbed it from google pics without checking..
@@gyderian9435try Finnish flags… there are a few.
Finnish government chose to join nato, not the people. I wouldn't say bravery but unnecessary fear of Russia which wasn't a threat to us by any means.
Ai katos täällähän on kotiryssä kommentoimassa. Ja jos ei varsinaisesti itse kotiryssä, niin sitten se kotiryssän vehkeen lutkuttaja.
@@JoriLindrothryssä kuin ryssä, vaikka voissa paistaisi.
@@JoriLindrothsulle varmaan biden märkä päiväuni 😄.
As a Finn I do not much appreaciate you using a picture where the Finnish national symbols are presented in the form of the war flag of Nazi Germany. What does it imply? That Finnish military is trying on the suit of the Wehrmacht? I think you should remove that...
Must have missed that. Where in the video did that happen? Do you mean the Finnish hakaristi (swastika)? That's not a nazi symbol.
@@Silveirias He is referring to the flag in 1:46 which is made with a wehrmacht template!!!!
@@jakemaanimeikalainen248 The Finnish flag? That's the Finnish military flag and it has absolutely nothing to do with the nazis. Do your research. Finns have used the hakaristi symbol longer than the nazis have existed.
@@Silveirias How about you shut up and do your own research. I am talking about the flag on the left which is a finnish presidential flag modified to resemble the flag of the wehrmacht. He must've gotten it from deviantart or something. The real finnish one doesn't have those extra lines in the cross and the lion coat of arms wouldn't be a large circle. Check out the wehrmacht flag and finnish presidential flag and you will notice what I am getting at.
So we are sitting out here in 'the jungle' looking at your 'garden'. Our 'jungle' is starting to rock as we now have BRICS with which we can build and we are getting rid of all our 'bad apples' which came from your 'garden' which is fast becoming a toxic pit caused by your own hubris and unbelievable stupidity, which you just keep doubling down on. Good luck Finland, you are going to need all the help you can get!
im not comforted by nato
Bully
Finland become a useful military importer of USA toys. Downed to a colonial vassal, not even an independent Duchy.
At least it seems to piss off the putler's propaganda bots! That's how you know you've succeeded.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 this is very childish thinking. Would you run off the cliff just to piss someone off? Oh, you are a Finn, you probably would.
@@aeye9772 Very childish? The bot (falsely) claimed we're a vassal, and you accuse us of being childish? You people don't even have indoor toilets, ffs.
@@darkmage7280 ofc this is very childish thinking that ruining your relationship with neignbooring country which is bigger and stronger than yours is a good thing and it IS childish to call every user who disagrees with you a bot. Also, somehow using diminishing names for other country's President when yours is a smiling failure is very childish. After all look you were on NATO one year and you got VAT raised cos you need more money for Ukraine from which you aint gonna get anything cos it was sold to yankees. Once again the west is using you as money pouch and war meat and nothing else. Probably beats good and profitable relationship with Russia. Once again, right? How many times did you do that already for the sake of being in The West club? And you are talking about 'vassals'? Anything for being a useful fool to USA and CO.
@@darkmage7280 it is very childish to succumb to some propaganda especially coming from side that has been maraudering since 2014. You know nothing of this conflict aside from what your media feeds you.