How Should the NBA Handle the Inevitable Expansion Teams?| The Mismatch
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Kevin O’Connor and Chris Vernon answer a listener-submitted mailbag question about Paolo Banchero, Seattle native, potentially leaving Orlando if a Seattle team is added in potential NBA expansion. They then discuss generally the expansion process, how to make newer teams better, and why the depth of the NBA’s talent right now might make this a more interesting time than previous occasions for expansion.
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You guys should do a mock expansion draft where one of you is the gm for Vegas and the other Seattle and pick your 8 protected players on each team then draft from the pool. - Excited Las Vegas nba fan
1000% agree
Feel like Bill and Russillo did this somewhat recently
@@NotoriousLANK ya we need an updated one now that it’s getting closer. That was a year ago
Do it
A few notes: Charlotte was competitive within its first five years, making the playoffs in Alonzo Mourning's rookie season. From 1993-2002 they never finished below .500, and missed the playoffs (barely) three times. Had George Shinn been a better owner, they might have been the first among their expansion mates (Orlando, Miami, and Minnesota) to win a title. Orlando made the NBA Finals in 1995 (when they beat both Michael Jordan and Reggie Miller in one postseason) and ECF in 1996. Miami took a little longer to get there, but after Mickey Arison bought the team, and hired Pat Riley, they completed their turnaround. Since 1997, they were in the lottery only twice until they won the championship in 2006. The T-Wolves made the playoffs eight straight years beginning the second year of the Kevin Garnett era, just eight years after their founding, and made the WCF in the last year of that run. The Raptors made the ECSF within six years of founding.
NBA franchises take longer to ramp up after expansion than NHL or MLB because star players are more impactful in the NBA and teams don't get a lot of them in the dispersal draft. Hockey and baseball teams have bigger rosters and have better chances of landing impact players in their dispersal drafts. They also have a larger pool of players through their respective minor leagues. Maybe the route for expansion would be to have the teams enter the G-League first, and then enter the NBA after one or two years of G-League play, with the option to move some of their players as direct hires.
Better commercials: Lil' Penny or Grandmama?
Not a fan of either. They weren't shown a lot in my country at the time. I liked Penny's shoes more, though.
I really like the relegation system they have in Football in Europe. It keeps teams on their toes at all times (of course, there is always those owners who doesn't really care but that's a topic for a different day).
One thing I remember when the Vancouver Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors were accepted into the NBA, they had a lot of constraints put upon them that really limited their options to compete. Their first draft, they were limited on their draft positioning, they also had limitations on their spending and on the revenues they get from the league in their first 5 years (I think). I hope they just take those restrictions off and let the new teams compete at a (relatively) equal level than the existing ones. Heck, they can put them in the lottery also and let them fall where they fall.
The draft limitations on picking first in the first four years were put in place because of how Orlando got to pick first in 1992/93 especially since their odds for the latter were so low. One solution would be to weight their odds with a sensible formula and let the process go on as usual, as mentioned.
The spending/revenue issue is sensitive because these new franchises dilute the profitability of the league. Another way to approach this is to allow the new owners to spend as much as they want within the rules and take on the risk of less revenue, and maybe lower the number of restricted years to maybe three at most.
Relegation is a fun idea but probably not viable for the NBA. However, the NBA should review the profit-sharing model of the league, so stingy owners are not rewarded by receiving greater revenue share and still field crappy teams.
@@llydrsn its bad it unsustainable its caused the disparity with same teams winning because they never get relegated.
No income tax in Washington either for Paolo.
Came here to say this
The expansion draft process is going to be like Disneyland for NBA sickos (me).
NBA owes Seattle something extra for allowing the team to be stolen in the first place.
@@pitdoctor I joked once that we should get Durant back 😆
@@jozz2248i mean it sounds like he’ll be in the NBA until Seattle returns then want to sign, and play a season or two in Seattle then retire.
Vegas still has a lot of obstacles to overcome still. The two obvious choices have to be Seattle and Vancouver. Both cities got robbed for smaller markets. Both cities with an established fan base and it aligns the NBA lot better.
1.) Seattle
2.) Vancouver
MAKE IT RIGHT ADAM SILVER!
Nba needs to allow players to come out of highschool, allow players to get sign or drafted to the g league, and make it mandatory for players to stay in college for at least 3 years and add a third round to the draft
Magic were tuff immediately, Miami not too long after. Shaq and manning in the same draft helped😂
I have lived in Oregon for 23 years. But, I lived west of Seattle, two different times, for a total of 14 1/2 years beforehand. The Huskies, Seahawks, Sonics, Kraken, Sounders and Mariners are my favorite teams in college and pro sports! And, I am loyal to all the other Washington teams behind the Seattle teams! I hope the Sonics come back so I will have a favorite NBA team again.
They have to bring back the sonics. Maybe bring a team back to Baltimore also
Let’s look at a deep team to see what types of players could be available.
Rockets
Protected roster: Sheppard, Sengun, Green, Van Vleet, Thompson, Smith Jr, Tate, Eason
That leaves Dillon Brooks, Cam Whittmore, Reggie Bullock, and Steven Adams in an expansion draft.
NBA should really expand to 4 cities for right now including Louisville, Kansas City or Pittsburgh
With all the expansion teams we've had since the merger, I don't understand why Kentucky has no NBA team on Louisville.
@@anthonyrivera2306 biased towards Kentucky and you know who else deserves an expansion team? St. Louis
Brunson the lone exception recently.
First Memphis should go to East Coast by just a change of conference .. then Seattle and Las Vegas should be listed for Western Conference .. then to even the west and east teams added Eastern should be a new City , I’m thinking cities like Kansas City , Louisville Ky, maybe even Cincinnati Ohio .:
Old nba teams could be brought back like St Louis, Syracuse nationals, Kentucky colonels, Baltimore maybe Mississippi or Alabama or Virginia . Rhode island , Delaware or Maine jk I'm from New England so I had to try. Cali has four teams why not give New York another team or Chicago another team. Kansas city what about New Mexico or south Carolina? Mexico city is a team Adam silver wants to expand outside USA. Canada could get a second team like British Columbia or Vancouver again but Seattle Las Vegas should be first two teams for sure.
Uninformed State tax take... Players get a check in each state they play so half the games don't care about FL tax policy
Hopefully the Sonics return soon
Is ‘27-28 an optimistic target for the expansion teams? Was hoping for slightly sooner in Seattle 🤞
Personally i see them starting in ‘26-27
@@squidMBso no 25-26 season right?
Ranchero? That’s a cartoon character with a funny hat
I think the expansion teams should get 3 and 4 in the ottery they come in and the other teams should only be able to protect 7 guys
Teams should be able to protect 6 if they’re going to do 2 expansion teams at the same time
Who was the best player ever taken in an expansion draft? Gerald Wallace would be my choice, fwiw.
If Las Vegas and Seattle comes both Western cities, what team should transfer to the east? Three choices geographically: Minnesota, Memphis or New Orleans. Would love to hear Verno's reax if Grizzlies moves to the East.
New Orleans and Minnesota.
Edit: Remember that the New Orleans Hornets were on the East before the Charlotte Bobcats expansion in 2004.
@@anthonyrivera2306 Seattle was in northwest with wolves, it coule be MEM & NO being newer franchises. OKC should transfer div or they could do 4 divs each conf like NFL, this will fix NBA geographically. But damn any of those will dominate the East.
@@lyndonarana9408 I could see 8 divisions, 4 teams each.
MN closest conference rival is all the way down in OKC. They travel more than any team in the NBA. If they were East they're close to Detroit, Indiana, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Cleveland. That's better than OKC and Denver which are both over 500 miles from Minneapolis
4 divisions of 8 or 8 divisions of 4. This makes 0 sense
West Conference
west- SEA POR GSW PHX LAL LAC LVS SAC
Midwest/plains - UTA OKC DAL DEN HOU MEM NOP SAS
Eastern Conference
atlantic - MIN MIL CHI IND DET CLE TOR WAS
East - BOS NYK BKN PHI ATL CHA MIA ORL
increase the importance of the regular season- winners of the division get the 1 and 2 seeds then go by win-loss record. play in for the last two spots 7 and 8. The number 1 seed goes to the team with the best record if tied to the best head-to-head record in the regular season.
Expantion teams are not happening teams are not giving up revenue for what city's like Seattle that could not keep a team twice, and vegas not worth the crap markets
The answer to your question is ironically another Orlando Magic superstar.... Shaq.
No state income tax in Washington ..
Some teams may decide to shed some salary in order to sign a big name free agent or start a rebuild. So it might not all be deep bench players. For example, I could see a team like Dallas parting with Hardaway or Golden State parting with Wiggins to free up cap space and sign someone else.
NBA EXPANSION TEAMS FOR FUTURE -
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Seattle Sonics (Team Colors 🟢🟡⚪)
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Vancouver Orcas (Team Colors ⚫⚪)
London Dunnocks (Team Colors 🟤⚫, and Gray)
St.Louis Bullets (Team Colors ⚫, Sliver, and Magenta)
Montreal Mooses (Team Colors 🟤⚫, and Tan)
Buffalo Blizzard (Team Colors Light Blue ❄, and ⚪)
Rochester Crows (Team Colors ⚫, and Gray)
KC Helenium (Team Colors 🟠🟡🟤) 💯.
Superchronicly without a team ...
People like playing in Orlando .... When ?? 🤣😁
The goalie in hockey can have a greater effect than any single basketball player
There are still too many teams for everyone to contend or even come close. The nba is not ready for expansion at all. KOC gotta get past his childish “new is great!” fascination with everything haha be objective.
Every year, everyone wants trades and roster moves that simply don’t exist because the talent doesn’t exist. Expansion will make the entire league worse and you guys all need to stop pushing it.
Expansion will be another example of infinite growth capitalism destroying a perfectly good perfectly sustainable business and product. Let it go for another decade, Kevin O’Hypnotized by every new idea
St. Louis should get an nba team before Kansas city honestly