Evolve Artist and Drawing From Imagination
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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And that's Kevin's take on drawing from imagination and how Evolve Artist and observational drawing as an entire skill fits into it. When I was younger and more naive, I felt like theory and construction and mathematical knowledge would be all I need to draw whatever I wanted. Now I realize that even if I could construct anything I wanted to, what's the point if I don't even know how what I'm trying to construct is even supposed to look like? What's the point if I can't use it to make beautiful pieces that ooze life and energy and beauty?
I especially was fascinated by his assertion that the true goal is to go beyond the photograph, to inject life into something sterile, that imitates life but does not exude it. I feel like a lot of people dismiss still lifes and drawings/paintings of real photographs of being like a copy machine or a camera, but that's not the goal of many artists (though it is for some and that's totally valid as a choice). My true goal would be to bring out the beauty that I uniquely see and that is informed by my life, experiences, and artistic choices. Then one day I'd like to take all this knowledge and invent things using this information as the foundation.
Damn, I should have thought of all this before I filmed the video. Say "ripperoni" in the comments if you get this far so I feel like somebody read this xD.
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I’m starting to see why Kevin developed the program by starting with lights and shadows first. The example he gave for manipulating the shadows of a face to change it from a man to a woman to a baby was really eye opening.
This man is a genius
These videos have been incredibly insightful
Super glad to hear :)
Whoa crazy that you're done with block 1! I've loved seeing you go through this :D The Q&A with Kevin was so insightful!
Thanks! I really enjoyed putting these together and I'm excited to talk more with him in the future!
I took Evolve and completed the first 4 blocks, and unfortunately it did not improve my art to my liking and so I didn't continue to the "advanced" level. I am a manga illustrator and thought Evolve would help me draw better manga, but Evolve's focus on realism demotivated me and I didn't enjoy copying from the photographs.
I found the skills taught in Evolve didn't really translate into drawing manga from imagination. The fundamentals like anatomy and proportion I already knew from other art classes. I had to use other video tutorials to learn manga skills.
I completed the first 4 blocks in 6 months; the first 3 in like 4 months. It took me 2 months to complete block 4 since I was so bored and demotivated with the material. I was just going through the motions. When I finally finished block 4, I tried drawing manga at the level of the artists I admire, but I miserably came up short, and believed I would be able to draw at a higher level after completing block 4.
That didn't really happen, or I only marginally improved. So Evolve might not be for everyone. If you like realism and still life, great, but if you like anime, manga, and video game concept art I would look elsewhere for instruction.
Thanks for making these videos.
That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences! I want to draw manga style art one day as well, but I don't think that Evolve will get me there directly, more like allow me to study from life more effectively then use that to learn to stylize then use that to get to a very stylized type of artwork. Like learning to read won't help me with high level literature, but it'll allow me to read stuff that will get me closer to understanding higher level topics. Do you think there's been value to you in that regard? Of course there's always the case that you might not have improved in the amounts you expected because of the effort you put into the course which causes a vicious cycle where you aren't seeing improvement so you don't try as hard so you don't see improvement and so on.
I don't think I need to tell you - you've made a very wise decision with Evolve!
You've learned so much about the fundamentals already!
Well, I'm just stating the obvious, but I'm proud of you ! YAY!
Thank you so so much!
I've been following your progress and its been great seeing you go from frustrated artist to dedicated student with Evolve. I've done all my christmas shopping but next pay period I'm going to treat myself to Evolve! Over the past weeks I've seen it really works through your progress videos. Can't wait to become part of the evolve community
Yess! I'm sure it's not great for everyone, but I feel like it's been a perfect fit for me and my learning style. Looking forward to hearing about your experiences with Evolve! And feel free to join the discord if you haven't yet to spy on and later contribute to the evolve channel!
@@Mithrilda Will do!
Ripperoni. Your videos help remind me of the inspiration I have and help me think about where I want to go on my journey of art. Seeing your journey inspires me to keep working toward my goals as well. Keep up the good work! God bless you!
I'm so glad to help! Best of luck to you!
I think the 'from imagination' thing is something that very few can master, and even famous artists struggle with it. Check out what Frank Miller says here for instance, where he bought all those toy cars to be able to draw them for Sin City: ruclips.net/video/hChCuPfvMFY/видео.html We see the end result of art, and not the multiple drawings the artist discarded before arriving at it. Artists use reference. Then they change it, make it unrecognizable. What we can imagine is the story, and composition, those things are up to us. But after you got the rough image in your head, you go and search for references that will help you draw it from the specific angle. Kevin makes the same point when he says the photo will be a reference, not smt you copy. I think that's how the vast majority of real world artists work: reference. Check out Marco Bucci's process here for instance, how he creates a character, very informative: ruclips.net/video/gI62rHNtg2w/видео.html I think most people look at the end product and think the artist drew it the same way Kim Jung Gi would!
I got that very same mountain-watching while driving experience btw! But not with blue, rather with the way all the things in front of the mountain are crisp whereas the mountains and clouds are like a matte painting that looks kinda fake and fuzzy! But beautiful!
Regarding the frustrations you mention at the end, could it have smt to do with the reference being so mobile? Is that how you're supposed to do it? Usually people just tape it next to the picture they're drawing, and so their eye flicks back and forth, and everything is stable, whereas holding it means you're always subtly changing aspects like distance, lighting, just a lot of minute things your brain needs to get accustomed to every time. Dunno, just had this passing thought, hit or miss. Also, yeah you're gonna hate anything you're actively working on cos your eye starts to suffer from a 'familiarity breeds contempt' kinda thing, and then you leave the room and come back, or you check out your painting the next day, and you're like 'did I paint that? it's actually kinda beautiful!'
Thanks for your insights! I feel like I've needed to let go of a lot of my perfectionism and "all or nothing" ness. I know that mastery of drawing from imagination is hard, perhaps even impossible for me in this lifetime, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't pursue improvement if that's my dream. Although I do think I have a more realistic idea of what it is and isn't compared to when I first started which is thinking that basically everyone has like kim jung gi level skills and that that's the most impessive and true form of art. I've come to appreciate a lot of different ways of creation and see their own merits while comparing them with what I would like to create. Like a lot of things in art, "drawing from imagination" means different things to different people so sometimes it's hard to clarify what I mean and what others mean when we say the same words but are trying to say different meanings haha
Very insightful Alexander 👍 Re: KJG. Few people know that he actually constantly sketches from life multiple times a day every single day. Imagine doing this for 40 years! This is basically what Kevin was also talking about regarding building your visual library to be able to pull from.
Yes! His observation must be god like. And so proficient at adding things to the scaffold of his memory
@@Mithrilda @Dennis C. Nolasco Just read this in Juliette Aristides' Beginning Drawing Atelier and thought it pertinent: "I heard that the writer Bertrand Russell dictated his books so eloquently that his first thought became the final word. More common are writers like me, who roughly map a book, develop an outline, and then write increasingly refined drafts. In drawing, the likelihood of creating an image perfectly on the first try is as uncommon as writing a book without corrections. Experienced artists often work like writers, starting with a general sketch of ideas and refining them over time."
Another example would be music: most musicians don't come up with a finished song on the spot on their first try! I guess the closest thing to KJG would be jazz improv!
Ah, I totally agree! I feel language has failed me here in trying to explain my goals. I would love to be able to draw any number of drafts to refine my vision, but I would like the tools to be able to tell a story, show the idea, etc with just me and a pencil and paper. I'm not aiming for a perfect drawing, I would like to be able to speak the language and communicate, not necessarily like a native.
As someone who _has_ studied the anatomy of a hand in physical therapy classes ... no thank you! So many moving parts. I know it'll probably all be refreshed when I return to artistic anatomical studies, but learning it the first time was still an ordeal. I will recommend getting the Netter anatomy plates if you want to study anatomy, though. It's incredibly useful and works in layers of the physical form. (They're also hand-painted in oils, Netter was an academic artist.) This was a nice discussion, though. 🙂
Dooope so can you confirm that you can visualize all the parts and stuff? Like to a higher resolution than before you studied it lol
@@Mithrilda Not ALL of the parts - I have trouble remembering where the small veins in the hands are, and you have a bunch of itty-bitty muscles that are barely more than fibers in parts of your hands - but I remember enough that I can block out the important bits.
That's awesome! Proof enough for me xD
Yeah. I've spent probably three years of my academic career learning medical anatomy, so while it doesn't seamlessly transfer to art skills, I can still visualize most of the body in my head on rotation. It's just getting in that brain-to-hand time.
and also...ripperoni ! - "My true goal would be to bring out the beauty that I uniquely see and that is informed by my life, experiences, and artistic choices. Then one day I'd like to take all this knowledge and invent things using this information as the foundation." Very well said.
very helpful interview! thank you!
i know its not art but you should look into image steaming for aphantista also how to build a mind palace. this will help access your mind the way not taught in most schools.
hello, are you done with drawabox?
You should definitely check out Peter Han and jung gi kim. Those are imagination Gods! However they put in the hours
Yes, their work is incredible! Definitely heroes of mine/
I was gonna click the subscribe button but I'm already subscribed! Loving all your videos. I wish i could afford evolve 😢 i really like the concept of their program their curriculum :
Thanks for the support :3. I agree, education is important and should be worth spending on, but what about those who couldn't if they wanted to? I'm sorry you're in that situation, it's sucky without a good solution from my or the course's end :/
You're making really quality content here! I am doing drawabox now because you inspired me to and I am trying to revisit the fundamentals and stuff, so really thank you :))
Yay! Thank you so much and keep at it on those fundamentals xD
amazing, keep it up.
Another great video. Your videos are really inspiring! Looking forward to seeing how you do in the next block.
Thank you very much!
Ripperoni
I like the theme of the video. all your videos have been so useful especially for my drawings and I love to see your progress having errors and being able to solve them haha i think dat is the best way to teach thank you!!
Happy to be of service! Thanks so much for the support!
You strike me as one of those know-it-all students who always raise their hand quickly to give the answer before anyone else in the class. Maybe you're not but you're just giving that vibe.
ripperoni
I appreciate it xD