I wish quadlock didn't have to sell the vibration dampener separately. Like I'm paying more to make sure your product doesn't wreck my phone. Should be standard.
I just want to confirm your last comment in the video, that if we buy bikes from the United Kingdom we will be supporting an authoritarian regime, one that puts journalists in jail?
That's why BMW stands for Break My Wallet. On that note, I have a Chinese scooter and while it's no Honda is has been a fun bike for what it is. It's easy to work on and cheap to fix when something does break.
I blame EU regulators for that more than I blame German Engineers. Blanket rules like cutting emissions 10% every year enforced before the Engineering has got there has forced Euro Manufacturers to sacrifice reliability and simplicity thru no fault of their own. Or they have to cheat like Volkswagen. China, on the other hand, is doing everything it can to support its industries.
@@tsubadaikhan6332VW ID electric cars are constantly criticised for having buggy software for years now. Are you saying there is some blanket regulation, requiring bugs in software?
@@kritasto2813 I'm not talking EV's. I'm talking emissions. Should a VW have the timing chain unaccessible at the rear of the engine block? Should they make water pumps out of the most fragile plastic on the Planet? Do they really need oxygen sensors in every cylinder, along with the two in the exhaust? That kind of crap. I don't need a German Engineer to program a computer. Asians took over that field years ago...
Van life? Hold my beer. Bought a non running CT 110 from a garage sale for $280 fixed it up & rode it 3000km in the Aussie outback. Panniers are 20l fuel containers, screen came from the tip, bag $5 from an op shop. 2 yrs later I still use it & ride it most days. The bike celebrates its 40th birthday this year!
@@bizzarroworld1518 Japanese bikes are great I have a Honda NC750 dct and a new Suzuki DE800 but my BMW touring bike R1200RT is far and beyond anything that Japan offers including the GL1800.
I'm 60. I have never thought of made in Germany and quality at the same time. I'm still impressed with Japanese quality. China seems to be getting better but time will tell.
I have a complete set of Metabo Cordless Power tools. That's a German brand if you are not familiar with it. Dinner of the tools are made in Germany, some Poland, and some China. I've had the most issues with the German made ones. The Chinese have been the best.
Here in asia, cfmoto dominates even on performance and durability. I can testify that with having 2 motorcycle. 1 cfmoto and 1 honda. I have been spending more in terms of parts on my honda vs my cfmoto. Both of them are used but not abused.
Alinna Lipp was charged for her Ukraine journalism once she came back to Germany. Glenn Greenwald had to leave the US and move to Brazil. And you know how Julian Assange rotted in a UK jail for over a decade. Obviously I don't know a ton about China, but buying a Chinese motorcycle because my country won't sell me one I can afford won't make me lose a wink of sleep.
I loved my Triumph and my current Honda but you hit the nail on the head with the Chinese producing bikes that customers want and can afford. I would say 15 years ago no-one in the UK would buy a Korean car. But now you can't move for Kia and Hyundai's. I appreciate the car market is different to bikes but still, it proves the customer is king. Meet their needs and you can rule too.
Human rights in China is different from your so called human rights in western countries. The Chinese value peace, stability, prosperity and progress over western models of individualism. The Chinese govt manage to uplift 800 million people out of poverty a feat no country ever done in human history. Dictatorship can only do so much. Don’t be a simpleton and study its history from qualified academics instead relying on Peter Zhihan and Serpentza for your daily feeds. Go read how China deal with disasters compare to in the west where politicians bickered on whose failure and wide spread looting.
People hate China because their media tells them to do so. They have been brainwashed. But things will turn around eventually. Even the dumb and blind will eventually see the truth. Greetings and respect from Iran
Most recently they have eliminated the nation of Tibet with "reeducation" programs, forced sterilization, and just plain murder. You can make all the excuses for them you like but I for one won't be buying anything that's made in China as long as there is a choice not to.
As the video points out, the best thing is that competition from China is, and will, cause manufacturers across the rest of the world to lift their game. Frankly, they have been resting on their laurels for too long. And, they have quietly killed off all of the good value models, and kept only the exorbitant, high profit models. Competition is a good thing. Now, will I be buying a Chinese bike any time soon? No. But, by the end of the decade, unless the legacy manufacturers lift their game (and that probably just means the Japanese, as the European and definitely American manufacturers, are pretty much going the way of the Dodo), I might be willing to consider it.
i have a zontes 310r and a cf moto mt650 ......... the zontes was way ahead of its time for a 300 6 years ago. my cf moto is just unbelievable with tech and quality for the price
The last comment on the video, which suggested avoiding Chinese products due to claims about jailing journalists and lack of free speech, really killed the whole mood and enjoyment . I felt it unnecessary and misplaced, especially considering the fact that Western governments have also been known to act harshly, often with little regard for accountability or transparency. Such a comment and political view can detract many from the overall enjoyment and purpose of otherwise a good video.
I've had German, British, American, and Japanese bikes. To be honest they've all been good, with the exception of the British one. It was s Norton commando 850. But it was very old tech. So it's forgivable for being unreliable. My next bike will be a Chinese one though. My research tells me the top brands are about as reliable as the best of them
China is now a World Class Leader in maufacturing. If it's made in China I know its a quality product- smartphones, HDTVs, small engine appliances, Motorbikes.
China is still third class I can say with 40k plus dollars worth of Chinese junk in my store room which did not last more than a month..the worst products ever
Why do you say , that buying chinese motorcycle helps regime of chinese, if all europian brands suport that regime by making motorcycles there, not in ES? So if you by bmw you buy for twise money, the same motorcycle (voge900 = bmw gs890f) and you save bmw who helps chinese regime and takes double of your money? So either way you do help regime of china, just either 10k or 20k eur? Or how you see it?
It will. Modern motorcycle engine is not rocket science, it's pretty simple and straightforward, rather cheap, well known since 40 years, and taught in any good engineering university in the world. The Chinese make plenty of things asking for reliability and good steels including, planes, rockets, high speed trains, orbital station, probes to the moon, plus the machines tools to make all that from first rate alloys. It's now the first and more advanced industrial world power...Opinion of a retired naval engineer.
@pabloricardodetarragon2649 Thank you for Sharing your opinion , I dont like China..but I don't hate them either...I just don't used to trust the Quality of their work.. now in the last maybe 6 months..I can say I open my eyes..I read .. I see more reports, information,. ..I can trust many products made in China...for example CF moto...specially 450 MT... If I don't like country I shouldn't lie about it...I'll keep my mind away from my heart , I prefer to be honest...and you are a honest person...so thank you for Sharing this Greetings 🇸🇦 🌴
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 And don't forget the thousands of STEM graduates that Chinese industries have at their beck and call-far more than any other country.
Closing with a political lecture about China sounds like a joke, when you buy oil from Saudi Arabia, Israel is doing terrible things and USA is talking about taking Greenland and the Panama canal by force. Be coherent with your political views.
Me and my $3,500 van have gone on many awesome adventures . There's just a lot of kooks that cant function without the best of the best . Definitely still have the spirit over here .
I remember watching a video a few years ago here on YT of a guy in a lifted Jeep Wrangler with big tires having a hard time going up a smooth rock face. In comes this older follow who had to be in his 70's driving a large station-wagon car from the 80's with normal tires and he crawled up the rock face as if it weren't there. He drove up and eventually came back down moments later. It was quite amusing.
This is a video about geopolitics and their impact on the motorcycle industry. Of course it is political. Everything said in this video is backed up by sources. Check your own info on Uyghurs and jailed journalists if you don't believe me. I admire China's rise, I admire their engineering and their efforts. But I fully understand everyone who does not want to support chinese companies as long as that government is doing what it is doing. I understand that other countries such as the US have their own issues but this video is about China.
@@LukeHilbyby that logic … we should do same because what USA did in Middle East lol . Compare to that china have not even done 1% to so called Uyghurs what America doing in Middle East. And most of the acuse to china is also no proper evidence but just acuse that’s it
@@LukeHilby check out the western journalists treated as criminals n terrorists for speaking in favour of russia n palestinians by countries like uk n germany.
Have you ever been to China or have you been fed with western propaganda all these years? Come to China or Xinjiang like thousands of foreigners and see for yourself, talk to the real Chinese and Muslims in Xinjiang instead of sitting on the couch watching garbage from BBC, CNN or Fox.
As a Chinese, I think it is necessary for you to understand what it means to ride a motorcycle in China. At present, I am still not optimistic about it
Because in China, there are nearly 200 cities where you ride a motorcycle, and you become a criminal with almost no exaggeration. 99% of Chinese motorcycle manufacturers are located in these 200 cities, and the malice towards motorcycles here is unimaginable for any ethnic group outside of China
@@LukeHilby Motorcycles aren't allowed in the big cities, not allowed on highways, have trouble getting fuel at the gas station, aren't respected on the road by other users (mainly car drivers), and the roads themselves have quite a few dangers like debris, potholes, painted lines, open/worn out pot holes. Those would be some of the main reasons in my eyes. (And yes, I'm speaking from personal experience of living there.) Also, the government wanted people to buy cars. Motorcycles were traditionally used by everyone that didn't have access to owning a car. Riding a small motorcycle is more for the poor and rural regions. I think the government didn't want the big cities in China to turn into traffic situations like in Bangkok or Vietnam where there are small motorbikes everywhere. It's only been a few years since for example Guangzhou has allowed the "electric bicycle", basically very light e-bikes that by law should still have working pedals. It only took a few years (maybe even less) for the amount of plated electric bicycles to go from zero to 5 million in Guangzhou alone. They have taken over the streets and sidewalks and have made pedestrians' lives very stressful. Basically, it's a very confusing domestic market for motorbikes, and I think there might also be some cultural reasons why China isn't a big market for bigger motorbikes (yet). CFMoto has definitely been working hard at it for a long time. I remember when our factory in China received one of the first NK650's for exhaust testing around 2009. And let's not forget the success of Surron and other electric dirtbike manufacturers. For me personally, I would love to try out the Kove. I hope they become succesful. It's interesting to see that some of these new manufacturers seem to understand that a brand name can be built quite quickly by motorsports success.
@@seepranavgAs with any market and any product, there are different price and quality levels, and you get what you pay for. 一分钱，一分货。 The quality of the bigger brands is definitely quite good. (Similar to certain car brands, phones, electronics, etc.) I think the hardest part of really entering a new market is the dealer network, aftersales service, parts availability etc. Early adopters might care less about this, but the general consumers need more longterm peace of mind and support.
Wow, excellent professional channel at last! Long time waiting for one, the others are like the British industrial scene, dying as I write!!! Well done Sir!😁
Some key points for Chinese is bad support, you buy "as is" no bug fixes and they may have all the specs you can imagine but aren't thoroughly tested or work as intended, that said I welcome more competition, too much greed and cartel deals the last decade.
Support is usually bad outside of China. The policy is basically "buy as is", any issues down the line are up to you. Spare parts, etc. Not sure if it's like that in China, but in my experience, Chinese manufacturers in SEA are pretty horrendous at long-term customer relationships. They're slowly improving, though, and understanding that losing a tiny bit of money to fix something will mean more loyal customers in the future (Yadea, BYD). In general though, customer service really sucks compared to North America, where the consumer culture is totally different.
@@seanjohnston848 the worst experience I've had was a US built motorcycle. The motor failed at under 1000 miles. Eventually they just stopped answering emails. No *consumable* spare parts were ever available. A decade later and the company is still the same. Replacement of a 10 dollar bearing isn't allowed by the company, must buy a complete motor for thousands. The software knows which motor is installed and won't run unless the replacement is fitted by a dealer. Knows if the motor is opened, and won't run unless a dealer authorises the change, which dealers will not do. They will only replace the entire motor.
I will forever be in camp: support the brands that build the segment. Also I'm a ludite, and highly recommend it to those considering purchasing an adventure bike. Great video.
Their already making some of the best EV's No shortage of talent or development funding in China. China said they've produced on mass, and are now moving into quality. Lets hope durability plays a good part. Thanks for your video
Beautiful video, editing and story telling! Why the **** should I pay 14.600€ for the basic f900gs when I can get the voge 800ds for about 8500€? I'm sure these prices are just to enter aggressively in the market and gain trust from the biker, in few years Chinese brands will be widely recognised as good as Japanese brands
@@mivr9298 It's not better. Simply the German overcharge to you with the obsolete reputation of German engineering. That's bullshit, motorcycles are rather simple to make with straightforward engineering. Simply the Chinese take the normal margins.
Well, lets compare to the japanese bikes, which are better. Buying chinese, means indirectly financing CCP. They can produce regardless of anti-pollution rules, regardless of workers' rights, etc, we can go on. Also, do you really think that the cheap chinese alternative is the same quality for less money? Not even close. They got better, but are not yet at the same level. Sure, japanese and europeans may sell overpriced and complex machines, but they can do decently priced stuff, and recent releases demonstrate this. Competition is good however.
@@DerpEye I'm very sorry to have to write this answer. We were just discussing about bikes not politics. I'm upset when ideology in the worst meaning of the word appears suddenly. I do not give a shit about the nowadays CCP. The American bashing on China is extremely suspect for most people of the world. I do not listen to propaganda specially the hating one. I have the most extreme caution about medias as I'm 72 so I have some experience about propaganda of any side. I've lived the cold war. I've traveled and worked for a few missions in China. I've seen the economic transformation from a poor country to a prosperous one. 850 millions people taken out of poverty in less than 40 years, now 350 millions live with a level of life equivalent to most parts of Europe. There is no hunger, very little misery even in the deep countryside, no people sleeping in the street, no drug addicts, there is a rather good cheap health system (I've used it at Shanghai), rather affordable food and renting prices even for the lower wages and I have not seen anybody in need to take two jobs for just surviving. No family is ruined because one of the members is sick. No need of loans to get an education, there are plenty of pretty good free universities.The infrastructure is often astonishing, and very well made. The majority of the Chinese have correct lives and the safety is absolutely exceptional. That is what I've seen. Not paradise, but certainly not a communist slum. As ship structural design engineer, I've worked in France, UK, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Korea, China and a few other Latino American countries like Mexico, Peru, Argentina. I'm fluent in French, Spanish an English (third language). I've studied in four countries in three languages. Simply I'm a citizen of the world of French background. People of the world just want peace, tranquility, safety, a normal job, and to raise the children without fear of the future. For most countries of the world the worst evil is the imperialist USA, not China. Like the Mexican say too far from God, too close to the USA. Like most people of the world I do not mix the actions of the USA government with the ordinary USA citizen. I've plenty of American friends, but also from many countries. Ask a Mexican about USA he will answer the 1847 Mexican War, a lot of recurrent problems, the Narco War started on 2008 by USA pressure on Calderon. 400 000 dead, 150 000 missing people, and now Trump bullying. For a Chilean 11th of September is on 1973, when the legal president was pushed to suicide, with 3000 killed people by Pinochet with the advice of Kissinger and the CIA, and 20 years of dictatorship. For an Argentinian it's the Junta Militar, financed and "educated" by the USA 30000 dead, many years of far right dictatorship nurtured by the USA. For a Cambodian it's Lon Nol pushed by the USA to take the power, that opened the door to the genocidal Pol Pot 3 000 000 dead 25% of population. Meantime the USA, defeated by the North Vietnam ran away from Vietnam and South East Asia... I can add too many examples like Irak 600000 dead estimated by the Lancet, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine (about 4000000 dead Ukrainian estimated) etc...The last one in the list being the criminal against humanity Natanyahu, helped by the USA and some occidental countries. My Asian friends are in revulsion. Plus the brute Trump now ...Except the USA, and the European allies, very few people in the world perceive China as a menace, but most fear the USA erratic policies, living in and for perpetual war. And simply take a plane and spend some time in China, there are many very beautiful places to see easily with the high speed trains, an interesting culture and a lot of nice people to meet. Observe and make an idea by yourself. It's rather cheap. Make also a trip in Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore to see what are the social effects of Confucianism. Good night.
At 65 I bought a CF Moto CLX 700 it's great really good price and does everything I need. I own a 2016 Indian Scout and the CF Moto is my Canyon Carver.
I love the Human Rights issues in China. They have the best infrastructure in the world. Great health care system. More affordable living than the US and Europe. Safer, Cleaner and modern, compared to the West.
Reminds me of some Romanian propaganda I watched on one of their TV’s back in the early 90’s. And everyone agrees if they have to pay a terrible price for disagreeing. 😂
I have a 2021 CFMoto NK 650. Last year the oil seal broke so i took it to my mechanic. Since the sealing was identical with the one that Kawasaki ER6N has, he insisted that i buy the japanese one. I trusted him. After the piece arrived he called me to show the difference between the two pieces. Even tho they looked the same, the Kawasaki was miles away in the build quality compared with the CFMoto. As a conclusion, i enjoy my bike, it was very affordable and still goes fine, but there still is a huge difference at least between japanese and chinese bikes.
Fascinating! Thanks, you deserve a Sub! Never imagined "Made in Germany" meant it was cheap, similar to Made in Japan in the 70s. Has anyone ever heard of a Chinese dirt bike called Hengjian S5 250cc - I think it is a KTM knockoff? But only around $3000?
I don't want electronics on my motorcycle, whether it be Apple or Google. At most, a 3rd party USB connection will suffice, so I can install a tablet of my own choosing without it 'jacking into' my motorcycle.
integration is a nightmare when things go wrong. In my country bmw bikes always return in the back of a truck. Simple japanesse or chinesse bikes work even when some part has failed, and take you back home.
I will never buy a Chinese made motorcycle. My life is more important than saving money on an inferior product. Cheap brakes or good brakes? It's that simple. Save money on toilet paper, not a street bike!
I do Hate coarse toilet paper. I'm sensitive in that area... Brakes? CFMOTO are using identical brakes to KTM. Of the many, many complaints I've heard about KTM, brakes rarely come up.
Video top notch! One thing is confusing me, I was under impression that you own CFmoto 450mt ? I ask this only because of last comment in video and I do not mean no disrespect or judging.
LoL, just 2 Indian bike company wiped away 200+ chinese bike companies in many african countries, Bajaj 2 wheelers business have more market capitalisation than Honda 2 wheelers business
7:31 i guess you havent heard about Indian brands before. TVS provides cruise control at 4k usd and the new ADV390 from KTM is also having cruise control
I have a Zontes motorcycle. China will buy out Yamaha soon. Most mechanics/technicians are stuck in their old ways refusing to take risks with high quality chinese. When the market is flooded and nearly everyone has a chinese bike. Then the garages cannot refuse. But some will still refuse and they will shut down due to no customers.
I have a Chinese Shineray XY400 motorcycle (Honda clone engine) with 36,000 miles on it with no major problems. That's as good as any motorcycle made. 😂
My bike is Chinese and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I would, however, like for my country to stop trying to block them so I can get parts more easily. Van life in the US is when someone could go to the junkyard to buy their new home because they cannot afford to rent an apartment.
Using motorcycles for the past 14 years But to me nothing still beats japanese reliability In india The honda is number one fill it shut it Second yamaha more expensive to maintain than honda Kawasaki premium for spares but last a lifetime Suzuki is the least reliable in these 4 Btw indian brands like bajaj and tvs are really catching up in reliability front Ktm i have duke390 no major problem but need to take care of her like a BABY
While Germany does have quality things I find German automobiles to be incredibly over-engineered and expensive to service. That is why European vehicles don't do well over here in the US. Depending on the brand some are near impossible to get your hands on and even harder to get parts for. When you can find parts you're spending a small fortune to do simple maintenance. I will never own anything BMW be it a car or a motorcycle. As far as motorcycles go the only European brands that have my interest are Triumph & Royal Enfield, possibly even a Moto Guzzi. Their classic V-Twin seems fairly easy to keep maintained for being a Italian make. Other than those, a CF Moto or any respectable Japanese bike would be my next choice. :)
@@RonaldSkancke I figure the Guzzi is probably no1 on the list for being bad with maintenance since it's Italian and no2 is probably Triumph. But I'm talking more along the lines of changing oil than anything else. But I bet getting an oil filter for a Guzzi is like buying one for a Ferrari. Out of the three makes I've mentioned it's really Royal Enfield I have interest in the most. They look fun to ride.
German cars are expensive to buy, expensive to service and parts are expensive and they are not the same quality they once were im not surprised their car industry is collapsing
Chinese AI is going to have a major effect on the future of manufacturing in China. Already they have reverse engineering and products such as Aircraft and EV are taking market share.. Political system sucks by western countries standards. But that's not what is the problem, its the open pathway to less government infringement. Chinese will dominate the manufacturing process.
Interesting. But the video starts with a frankly, out of date presumption. German cars (other than the very, very high end ... read uber-expensive) have pretty much been crap for the last decade or more. But they are still riding on the average buyer having no actual idea about what they are buying, and an industry that is happy to keep lying to support its profits.
China needs to be humble and get e European or Japanese Engineers to help them with their Vehicle Transmissions to also manage to conquer the Automobile world. Their vehicles are affordable but lag when you need the power to move. Work on your quality China
Oh wow - banger of an outro. Supporting an evil regime as well as the obscenely massive amount of the world's money that is pouring into that country are significant concerns on my mind. I suspect much of the world (that hasn't burnt, flooded or been destroyed by storms & droughts) will be controlled by China by 2100. I recently bought an EV for my work.I was pleased I managed to find a Peugeot van as it was looking entirely like my only practical option was going to be Chinese.
KTM turned down Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boardman for that Long Way Around ..... and i think there was also a Wrong Way Around. They've been haemorrhaging ever since. Bad management I'm afraid.
Honda, yamaha aye not showing any interest in Indian market specially for 100 to 300 cc's bike. 100 to 125cc bikes are really famous in India and they are not launching any new models, they are just updating accessories and no major changes. Indian companies such as TVS and hero are doing better job (in all segments) my next bike would be xoom 125 once I get reviews specially from users itself
After having seen Cheap quality Chinese bikes which are flimsy unreliable and get heated up like Superbike I would only trust a Bajaj TVS Hero Royal Enfield Java yezdi Honda only in India
China will never dominate the bike industry, Yes I agreed. But that's not because of quality issues, they have top quality products now but because they don't know the actual ground reality of what the public really wants according to different markets. Chinese motorcycle manufacturers just think that fully western style of designs will suit the riders all over the world, that's why Indian manufacturers shine in south Asian markets despite being comparatively less modern. For eg: In my country Nepal, the Chinese motorcycles do not come with the good Pelion seat like Indian motorcycles do and a good Pelion seat is a must for almost everyone in this region because we don't have luxury to buy a lot of expensive cars, people here rely on their two wheelers to go out with families and friends. That's why Indian motorcycles are dominating the market, they provide good looking and practical motorcycles at reasonable prices whereas Chinese are launching the very modern and comparatively much expensive motorcycles with zero practicality. China just copying western designs without considering the consumer demographics.
Well, the dealer network and service has to count for something. My Yamaha dealer is within 20 miles, so I'll stick with Yamaha even if my wish list contains other brands.
My local Yamaha dealer is also a 20 mile distance away as well. But they've also been selling Suzuki for a few years and have been selling CF Moto in recent years. I haven't seen any CF Moto motorcycles on the road yet but they sell quite a few ATV's and UTV's. They used to be a Harley Davidson dealer up until they dropped Harley like a bad habit. The owner said they got screwed by Harley big time over the years so they cut ties with them. But they'll still service Harley's for people who have them.
@LukeHilby my bad after research cf moto was there in India but due to low quality and sales they exited India. I have seen few cf moto bikes that are 150cc bikes (bike shows) and they look good. Not sure sure about the quality or reliability. We purchased a 110 cc gearless bike which is activa Honda, it's very popular in India, they are known for reliability cause the bike {moped} are good for use in longer run. It is almost 9 years old.
Eu needs to realize that beyond 500, 600cc motorcycles are heavy and take more effort to ride, maintain, and travel with them. I would any day pick a 450 mt, 450 Himalayan, nx 500 over bigger bulkier GS Type of bikes.. most importantly I should be able to drop and repair the bikes without much hassle, Unlike the over-complicated bikes eu is been promoting for so long...
China doesnt win races....when it does...it can be Ducati or Porsche until then its cheap and it seems cheap because it is. KTM just won Dakar in 2025 again and thats pretty good for company going out of business. Kove had entries and a bunch of them finished. I dont see any Chinese MotoGP, Motocross, Flattrack, Endro, pretty thin. You cant just copy winning you get out in front and win. They arent very good at that.
Well... autoritarian as what? England? Germany? USA? maybe France... But those slave prisoner enginers are making good and affordable bikes, the people in poor countries can now have a bike, maybe not the best but payable with our income. Thank good video.
It's the inevitable. Chinese are very smart, but initially, they lacked discipline. The current Chinese government has changed that, and they are emerging as threat to Japanese industries. Big names Like HONDA, YAMAHA, KAWASAKI AND SUZUKI will remain leaders, but not without strong Chinese fierce competition in the lower segment. It remains until EV motorcycles become more dominant.
Personally I think people need to stop freaking out about China taking over the automobile and motorcycle industry. This is the same thing that was going on with Japan here in the US back in the 60's with motorcycles and the 1980's with cars. All of the big companies were freaking out because Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki were taking over the motorcycle market. While Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi and Honda were taking over the auto market. What's going on with China is just Japan 2.0. Instead of Japan taking over the market this time around it's China's turn. They're slowly going from making cheap budget items to quality products. When it comes to a company like CF Moto I feel their competition to fat complacent brands like Polaris and the likes are welcomed and needed. It would be even nicer if they made a manufacturing plant here in the US instead of importing them from Mexico. But we will have to see what comes of it.
Made in China and quality should not be used in the same sentence.ktm is going down and all I read about cfmoto is not great.look at their side by sides.i personally won't by Chinese manufactured bikes.to each their own,good luck!
Japan is number 1 in engineering, China is number 2. Germany is de-industrializing because they need to get lots of Africans to come and live there and once there are enough Africans there, Germany will become number 1 again in engineering and many other things as well, like they were in the past.
It really bugs me to see these motorcycle channel guys hiding their faces behind helmets- and it’s a universal thing not just here in Hong Kong but elsewhere like in this video! I ask the question: WHY? Are you some sort of terrorist that you must hide your identity from the public or you’re just ashame of being a motorcyclist? If there’s a third reason I’d let you know!
I wonder if when the author talked about the persecution of journalists and the violation of human rights, he was thinking about Julian Assange and the Starmer regime?
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I wish quadlock didn't have to sell the vibration dampener separately. Like I'm paying more to make sure your product doesn't wreck my phone. Should be standard.
I just want to confirm your last comment in the video, that if we buy bikes from the United Kingdom we will be supporting an authoritarian regime, one that puts journalists in jail?
“Putting journalist into jail and against human rights? “ - u mean like all of Rurope and Germany that support Isr3-l? Real genocide going on.
In 2025 a "Made in Germany" label on a car is a money pit warning signal once again. 😂
That's why BMW stands for Break My Wallet. On that note, I have a Chinese scooter and while it's no Honda is has been a fun bike for what it is. It's easy to work on and cheap to fix when something does break.
Fair enough 😂😂
I blame EU regulators for that more than I blame German Engineers. Blanket rules like cutting emissions 10% every year enforced before the Engineering has got there has forced Euro Manufacturers to sacrifice reliability and simplicity thru no fault of their own. Or they have to cheat like Volkswagen. China, on the other hand, is doing everything it can to support its industries.
@@tsubadaikhan6332VW ID electric cars are constantly criticised for having buggy software for years now. Are you saying there is some blanket regulation, requiring bugs in software?
@@kritasto2813 I'm not talking EV's. I'm talking emissions. Should a VW have the timing chain unaccessible at the rear of the engine block? Should they make water pumps out of the most fragile plastic on the Planet? Do they really need oxygen sensors in every cylinder, along with the two in the exhaust? That kind of crap.
I don't need a German Engineer to program a computer. Asians took over that field years ago...
Van life? Hold my beer. Bought a non running CT 110 from a garage sale for $280 fixed it up & rode it 3000km in the Aussie outback. Panniers are 20l fuel containers, screen came from the tip, bag $5 from an op shop. 2 yrs later I still use it & ride it most days. The bike celebrates its 40th birthday this year!
The Chines version would cost 1/2 as much, then depreciate 30% a year, before it breaks without available parts to fix ix it.,
@@tvdinner325 yeah they have the crappy pitbike stigma to overcome.
Honda CT-100 ?
@@mikeskidmore6754 Honda CT 110 Trail...
Don't know where that list came from but made in Japan is definitely no.1 in my book.
Agreed, even as a German 😂
Yup
I don't trust Germans at all !
Been riding( Made in Japan) bikes since the 70's....to this this day , no other bikes can compare !
@@bizzarroworld1518 Japanese bikes are great I have a Honda NC750 dct and a new Suzuki DE800 but my BMW touring bike R1200RT is far and beyond anything that Japan offers including the GL1800.
I'm 60. I have never thought of made in Germany and quality at the same time. I'm still impressed with Japanese quality. China seems to be getting better but time will tell.
I have a complete set of Metabo Cordless Power tools. That's a German brand if you are not familiar with it. Dinner of the tools are made in Germany, some Poland, and some China. I've had the most issues with the German made ones. The Chinese have been the best.
Here in asia, cfmoto dominates even on performance and durability. I can testify that with having 2 motorcycle. 1 cfmoto and 1 honda. I have been spending more in terms of parts on my honda vs my cfmoto. Both of them are used but not abused.
The UK also puts journals its in jail and violate human rights🤔🤔
In the long run my money is on the made in Japan.
100%. My life is worth more.
You sir are a wise man.
Putting journalist in jail and violating human rights? Alright then stop buying US/Japanese/German bikes, because you know
Alinna Lipp was charged for her Ukraine journalism once she came back to Germany.
Glenn Greenwald had to leave the US and move to Brazil.
And you know how Julian Assange rotted in a UK jail for over a decade.
Obviously I don't know a ton about China, but buying a Chinese motorcycle because my country won't sell me one I can afford won't make me lose a wink of sleep.
Quad Lock, designed in Australia, manufactured in China. Pretty much sums up your video.
WiFi...developed in Australia, made in China.
The difference is...my life is NOT dependent on a silly phone holder!
I loved my Triumph and my current Honda but you hit the nail on the head with the Chinese producing bikes that customers want and can afford. I would say 15 years ago no-one in the UK would buy a Korean car. But now you can't move for Kia and Hyundai's. I appreciate the car market is different to bikes but still, it proves the customer is king. Meet their needs and you can rule too.
Human rights in China is different from your so called human rights in western countries. The Chinese value peace, stability, prosperity and progress over western models of individualism. The Chinese govt manage to uplift 800 million people out of poverty a feat no country ever done in human history. Dictatorship can only do so much. Don’t be a simpleton and study its history from qualified academics instead relying on Peter Zhihan and Serpentza for your daily feeds.
Go read how China deal with disasters compare to in the west where politicians bickered on whose failure and wide spread looting.
People hate China because their media tells them to do so. They have been brainwashed. But things will turn around eventually. Even the dumb and blind will eventually see the truth. Greetings and respect from Iran
Most recently they have eliminated the nation of Tibet with "reeducation" programs, forced sterilization, and just plain murder. You can make all the excuses for them you like but I for one won't be buying anything that's made in China as long as there is a choice not to.
As the video points out, the best thing is that competition from China is, and will, cause manufacturers across the rest of the world to lift their game. Frankly, they have been resting on their laurels for too long. And, they have quietly killed off all of the good value models, and kept only the exorbitant, high profit models. Competition is a good thing.
Now, will I be buying a Chinese bike any time soon? No. But, by the end of the decade, unless the legacy manufacturers lift their game (and that probably just means the Japanese, as the European and definitely American manufacturers, are pretty much going the way of the Dodo), I might be willing to consider it.
i have a zontes 310r and a cf moto mt650 ......... the zontes was way ahead of its time for a 300 6 years ago. my cf moto is just unbelievable with tech and quality for the price
The last comment on the video, which suggested avoiding Chinese products due to claims about jailing journalists and lack of free speech, really killed the whole mood and enjoyment .
I felt it unnecessary and misplaced, especially considering the fact that Western governments have also been known to act harshly, often with little regard for accountability or transparency.
Such a comment and political view can detract many from the overall enjoyment and purpose of otherwise a good video.
I've had German, British, American, and Japanese bikes. To be honest they've all been good, with the exception of the British one. It was s Norton commando 850. But it was very old tech. So it's forgivable for being unreliable. My next bike will be a Chinese one though. My research tells me the top brands are about as reliable as the best of them
China is now a World Class Leader in maufacturing. If it's made in China I know its a quality product- smartphones, HDTVs, small engine appliances, Motorbikes.
China is still third class I can say with 40k plus dollars worth of Chinese junk in my store room which did not last more than a month..the worst products ever
Why do you say , that buying chinese motorcycle helps regime of chinese, if all europian brands suport that regime by making motorcycles there, not in ES? So if you by bmw you buy for twise money, the same motorcycle (voge900 = bmw gs890f) and you save bmw who helps chinese regime and takes double of your money? So either way you do help regime of china, just either 10k or 20k eur? Or how you see it?
I took the leap of trust that I wouldn't just a year ago - ordered a CF450MT as a 2nd bike in the family. Let's hope it lives up to the hype.
Especially longterm reliability
It will. Modern motorcycle engine is not rocket science, it's pretty simple and straightforward, rather cheap, well known since 40 years, and taught in any good engineering university in the world. The Chinese make plenty of things asking for reliability and good steels including, planes, rockets, high speed trains, orbital station, probes to the moon, plus the machines tools to make all that from first rate alloys. It's now the first and more advanced industrial world power...Opinion of a retired naval engineer.
@pabloricardodetarragon2649
Thank you for Sharing your opinion , I dont like China..but I don't hate them either...I just don't used to trust the Quality of their work.. now in the last maybe 6 months..I can say I open my eyes..I read .. I see more reports, information,. ..I can trust many products made in China...for example CF moto...specially 450 MT...
If I don't like country I shouldn't lie about it...I'll keep my mind away from my heart , I prefer to be honest...and you are a honest person...so thank you for Sharing this
Greetings 🇸🇦 🌴
@@pabloricardodetarragon2649 And don't forget the thousands of STEM graduates that Chinese industries have at their beck and call-far more than any other country.
@@peacebrother8942 India will catch up and surpass them in a few years.....
Closing with a political lecture about China sounds like a joke, when you buy oil from Saudi Arabia, Israel is doing terrible things and USA is talking about taking Greenland and the Panama canal by force. Be coherent with your political views.
I was talking about China here, has nothing to do with the crazyness going on elsewhere.
What terrible things is Israel doing, tell us
@@Truth... Hmmm... genocide?
@@jala6707
Hmm...tell us what genocide means, come on
Then why bring it up at all if you’re not going to mention buying European and US brands is supporting other countries and their misdemeanours?
Me and my $3,500 van have gone on many awesome adventures . There's just a lot of kooks that cant function without the best of the best . Definitely still have the spirit over here .
I remember watching a video a few years ago here on YT of a guy in a lifted Jeep Wrangler with big tires having a hard time going up a smooth rock face. In comes this older follow who had to be in his 70's driving a large station-wagon car from the 80's with normal tires and he crawled up the rock face as if it weren't there. He drove up and eventually came back down moments later. It was quite amusing.
what has YOUR politics got to do with motorcycles !! nonsence propaganda
This is a video about geopolitics and their impact on the motorcycle industry. Of course it is political.
Everything said in this video is backed up by sources. Check your own info on Uyghurs and jailed journalists if you don't believe me. I admire China's rise, I admire their engineering and their efforts. But I fully understand everyone who does not want to support chinese companies as long as that government is doing what it is doing. I understand that other countries such as the US have their own issues but this video is about China.
@@LukeHilbyby that logic … we should do same because what USA did in Middle East lol . Compare to that china have not even done 1% to so called Uyghurs what America doing in Middle East. And most of the acuse to china is also no proper evidence but just acuse that’s it
@@LukeHilby check out the western journalists treated as criminals n terrorists for speaking in favour of russia n palestinians by countries like uk n germany.
Have you ever been to China or have you been fed with western propaganda all these years?
Come to China or Xinjiang like thousands of foreigners and see for yourself, talk to the real Chinese and Muslims in Xinjiang instead of sitting on the couch watching garbage from BBC, CNN or Fox.
maybe in the motorcycle area and sub 650cc the battle is China vs India
India is better at that. Quality wise its closer to japs and EUs.
As a Chinese, I think it is necessary for you to understand what it means to ride a motorcycle in China. At present, I am still not optimistic about it
Interesting! Why aren't you optimistic?
Because in China, there are nearly 200 cities where you ride a motorcycle, and you become a criminal with almost no exaggeration. 99% of Chinese motorcycle manufacturers are located in these 200 cities, and the malice towards motorcycles here is unimaginable for any ethnic group outside of China
@@LukeHilby Motorcycles aren't allowed in the big cities, not allowed on highways, have trouble getting fuel at the gas station, aren't respected on the road by other users (mainly car drivers), and the roads themselves have quite a few dangers like debris, potholes, painted lines, open/worn out pot holes. Those would be some of the main reasons in my eyes. (And yes, I'm speaking from personal experience of living there.)
Also, the government wanted people to buy cars. Motorcycles were traditionally used by everyone that didn't have access to owning a car. Riding a small motorcycle is more for the poor and rural regions. I think the government didn't want the big cities in China to turn into traffic situations like in Bangkok or Vietnam where there are small motorbikes everywhere. It's only been a few years since for example Guangzhou has allowed the "electric bicycle", basically very light e-bikes that by law should still have working pedals. It only took a few years (maybe even less) for the amount of plated electric bicycles to go from zero to 5 million in Guangzhou alone. They have taken over the streets and sidewalks and have made pedestrians' lives very stressful. Basically, it's a very confusing domestic market for motorbikes, and I think there might also be some cultural reasons why China isn't a big market for bigger motorbikes (yet).
CFMoto has definitely been working hard at it for a long time. I remember when our factory in China received one of the first NK650's for exhaust testing around 2009. And let's not forget the success of Surron and other electric dirtbike manufacturers.
For me personally, I would love to try out the Kove. I hope they become succesful. It's interesting to see that some of these new manufacturers seem to understand that a brand name can be built quite quickly by motorsports success.
What about the quality? @@RalfManje
@@seepranavgAs with any market and any product, there are different price and quality levels, and you get what you pay for. 一分钱，一分货。
The quality of the bigger brands is definitely quite good. (Similar to certain car brands, phones, electronics, etc.) I think the hardest part of really entering a new market is the dealer network, aftersales service, parts availability etc. Early adopters might care less about this, but the general consumers need more longterm peace of mind and support.
Putting jpurnalist in jail and violating human rights? And there I was thinking this video was about Chinese and not american 'bikes....
Wow, excellent professional channel at last! Long time waiting for one, the others are like the British industrial scene, dying as I write!!! Well done Sir!😁
Some key points for Chinese is bad support, you buy "as is" no bug fixes and they may have all the specs you can imagine but aren't thoroughly tested or work as intended, that said I welcome more competition, too much greed and cartel deals the last decade.
They've already rolled a bug fix for the CFMoto 450 that fixed the snatchy throttle.
Support is usually bad outside of China. The policy is basically "buy as is", any issues down the line are up to you. Spare parts, etc. Not sure if it's like that in China, but in my experience, Chinese manufacturers in SEA are pretty horrendous at long-term customer relationships. They're slowly improving, though, and understanding that losing a tiny bit of money to fix something will mean more loyal customers in the future (Yadea, BYD). In general though, customer service really sucks compared to North America, where the consumer culture is totally different.
@@seanjohnston848 the worst experience I've had was a US built motorcycle. The motor failed at under 1000 miles. Eventually they just stopped answering emails. No *consumable* spare parts were ever available.
A decade later and the company is still the same. Replacement of a 10 dollar bearing isn't allowed by the company, must buy a complete motor for thousands. The software knows which motor is installed and won't run unless the replacement is fitted by a dealer. Knows if the motor is opened, and won't run unless a dealer authorises the change, which dealers will not do. They will only replace the entire motor.
@gasdive Harley?
@@seanjohnston848 I'm not going to name them as they also have a habit of suing their customers instead of fixing the bikes.
CFmoto 450MT new price 6200€ plus extra cost for high saddle (if needed), the price changed in 2025.
In Romania is 5000 Euro with Vat Included
@@octavianaoncioaie5923 $9500 ride away in Australia. I have one.
People choose chinese motorcycle because they can provide 3 cylinder 4 cylinder motorcycle on a lower cc category for a cheaper price.
Great video..but you should add also India will also erupt the market with Hero and already with Royal Einfield
Good point!
@@LukeHilby 💪😄
I will forever be in camp: support the brands that build the segment. Also I'm a ludite, and highly recommend it to those considering purchasing an adventure bike. Great video.
Another marvelous video! Greetings from Bulgaria 👌
Their already making some of the best EV's No shortage of talent or development funding in China. China said they've produced on mass, and are now moving into quality. Lets hope durability plays a good part. Thanks for your video
In Asia China is the number one car and bike/scooter manufacturer.
It's up to us. Support China or the west with your money.
Indian bikes dominate Asia you dumbnut
Not china
Beautiful video, editing and story telling!
Why the **** should I pay 14.600€ for the basic f900gs when I can get the voge 800ds for about 8500€?
I'm sure these prices are just to enter aggressively in the market and gain trust from the biker, in few years Chinese brands will be widely recognised as good as Japanese brands
Because you want something much better.
@@mivr9298 but the f900 bmw engine is made in china also
@@mivr9298 It's not better. Simply the German overcharge to you with the obsolete reputation of German engineering. That's bullshit, motorcycles are rather simple to make with straightforward engineering. Simply the Chinese take the normal margins.
Well, lets compare to the japanese bikes, which are better. Buying chinese, means indirectly financing CCP. They can produce regardless of anti-pollution rules, regardless of workers' rights, etc, we can go on. Also, do you really think that the cheap chinese alternative is the same quality for less money? Not even close. They got better, but are not yet at the same level. Sure, japanese and europeans may sell overpriced and complex machines, but they can do decently priced stuff, and recent releases demonstrate this. Competition is good however.
@@DerpEye
I'm very sorry to have to write this answer. We were just discussing about bikes not politics. I'm upset when ideology in the worst meaning of the word appears suddenly.
I do not give a shit about the nowadays CCP. The American bashing on China is extremely suspect for most people of the world. I do not listen to propaganda specially the hating one. I have the most extreme caution about medias as I'm 72 so I have some experience about propaganda of any side. I've lived the cold war.
I've traveled and worked for a few missions in China. I've seen the economic transformation from a poor country to a prosperous one. 850 millions people taken out of poverty in less than 40 years, now 350 millions live with a level of life equivalent to most parts of Europe. There is no hunger, very little misery even in the deep countryside, no people sleeping in the street, no drug addicts, there is a rather good cheap health system (I've used it at Shanghai), rather affordable food and renting prices even for the lower wages and I have not seen anybody in need to take two jobs for just surviving. No family is ruined because one of the members is sick. No need of loans to get an education, there are plenty of pretty good free universities.The infrastructure is often astonishing, and very well made. The majority of the Chinese have correct lives and the safety is absolutely exceptional. That is what I've seen. Not paradise, but certainly not a communist slum.
As ship structural design engineer, I've worked in France, UK, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Korea, China and a few other Latino American countries like Mexico, Peru, Argentina. I'm fluent in French, Spanish an English (third language). I've studied in four countries in three languages. Simply I'm a citizen of the world of French background. People of the world just want peace, tranquility, safety, a normal job, and to raise the children without fear of the future.
For most countries of the world the worst evil is the imperialist USA, not China. Like the Mexican say too far from God, too close to the USA. Like most people of the world I do not mix the actions of the USA government with the ordinary USA citizen. I've plenty of American friends, but also from many countries.
Ask a Mexican about USA he will answer the 1847 Mexican War, a lot of recurrent problems, the Narco War started on 2008 by USA pressure on Calderon. 400 000 dead, 150 000 missing people, and now Trump bullying.
For a Chilean 11th of September is on 1973, when the legal president was pushed to suicide, with 3000 killed people by Pinochet with the advice of Kissinger and the CIA, and 20 years of dictatorship. For an Argentinian it's the Junta Militar, financed and "educated" by the USA 30000 dead, many years of far right dictatorship nurtured by the USA. For a Cambodian it's Lon Nol pushed by the USA to take the power, that opened the door to the genocidal Pol Pot 3 000 000 dead 25% of population. Meantime the USA, defeated by the North Vietnam ran away from Vietnam and South East Asia...
I can add too many examples like Irak 600000 dead estimated by the Lancet, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Ukraine (about 4000000 dead Ukrainian estimated) etc...The last one in the list being the criminal against humanity Natanyahu, helped by the USA and some occidental countries. My Asian friends are in revulsion. Plus the brute Trump now ...Except the USA, and the European allies, very few people in the world perceive China as a menace, but most fear the USA erratic policies, living in and for perpetual war.
And simply take a plane and spend some time in China, there are many very beautiful places to see easily with the high speed trains, an interesting culture and a lot of nice people to meet. Observe and make an idea by yourself. It's rather cheap. Make also a trip in Taiwan, Malaysia and Singapore to see what are the social effects of Confucianism. Good night.
You had to get political, didn't you?
At 65 I bought a CF Moto CLX 700 it's great really good price and does everything I need. I own a 2016 Indian Scout and the CF Moto is my Canyon Carver.
This is such a well put together video. You're going to go massive really soon.
Grazie!
I love the Human Rights issues in China.
They have the best infrastructure in the world. Great health care system. More affordable living than the US and Europe.
Safer, Cleaner and modern, compared to the West.
High IQ homogeneous society vs ever more multicultural Europe and US
Reminds me of some Romanian propaganda I watched on one of their TV’s back in the early 90’s. And everyone agrees if they have to pay a terrible price for disagreeing. 😂
I have a 2021 CFMoto NK 650. Last year the oil seal broke so i took it to my mechanic. Since the sealing was identical with the one that Kawasaki ER6N has, he insisted that i buy the japanese one. I trusted him. After the piece arrived he called me to show the difference between the two pieces. Even tho they looked the same, the Kawasaki was miles away in the build quality compared with the CFMoto. As a conclusion, i enjoy my bike, it was very affordable and still goes fine, but there still is a huge difference at least between japanese and chinese bikes.
Over time your technician will have no choice but to accept the high quality chinese motorcycles, otherwise he/she will have no customers.
@@steve00alt70 im sorry. Im not native in English. I will edit my text. What i meant is that the Kawasaki piece was miles over the CFMoto one.
Fascinating! Thanks, you deserve a Sub! Never imagined "Made in Germany" meant it was cheap, similar to Made in Japan in the 70s. Has anyone ever heard of a Chinese dirt bike called Hengjian S5 250cc - I think it is a KTM knockoff? But only around $3000?
Great video! ❤
I have a Chinese motorcycle, made by Chongqing Haosen. So far, it's been excellent. It's not fancy, or even nice, but it works.
I don't want electronics on my motorcycle, whether it be Apple or Google. At most, a 3rd party USB connection will suffice, so I can install a tablet of my own choosing without it 'jacking into' my motorcycle.
they use outdated versions of abs ect and they don’t integrate these systems well
integration is a nightmare when things go wrong. In my country bmw bikes always return in the back of a truck. Simple japanesse or chinesse bikes work even when some part has failed, and take you back home.
In the 1950s /60s Japanese bikes threatened the European and North American manufacturers,so it's just history repeating itself.
I will never buy a Chinese made motorcycle.
My life is more important than saving money on an inferior product.
Cheap brakes or good brakes? It's that simple.
Save money on toilet paper, not a street bike!
I do Hate coarse toilet paper. I'm sensitive in that area...
Brakes? CFMOTO are using identical brakes to KTM. Of the many, many complaints I've heard about KTM, brakes rarely come up.
Brilliant.
Video top notch! One thing is confusing me, I was under impression that you own CFmoto 450mt ? I ask this only because of last comment in video and I do not mean no disrespect or judging.
Thanks. No all good, fair question. The CFMoto was a press bike. I had the option to buy it but decided against it.
@@LukeHilby You are awesome person, despite your personal beliefs you really did give an excellent review of CFmoto, it shows your professionalism!
Finally a new video! When is the new trip coming? What bike will you take? Greetings!
We'll do one trip to the arctic circle for the German channel. Not sure if we translate this one yet 😇
I ride CF Moto MT700. Cost me 6.000 Euro with 4 years warranty. Incredible bike. No complains.
Good luck with the warranty and parts.
Thank you for this important information ...
LoL, just 2 Indian bike company wiped away 200+ chinese bike companies in many african countries, Bajaj 2 wheelers business have more market capitalisation than Honda 2 wheelers business
7:31 i guess you havent heard about Indian brands before. TVS provides cruise control at 4k usd and the new ADV390 from KTM is also having cruise control
I have a Zontes motorcycle. China will buy out Yamaha soon. Most mechanics/technicians are stuck in their old ways refusing to take risks with high quality chinese. When the market is flooded and nearly everyone has a chinese bike. Then the garages cannot refuse. But some will still refuse and they will shut down due to no customers.
and pushed 500 million out of poverty
Can’t wait for a lower seat and price on bikes!❤🇨🇦
I have a Chinese Shineray XY400 motorcycle (Honda clone engine) with 36,000 miles on it with no major problems. That's as good as any motorcycle made. 😂
My bike is Chinese and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I would, however, like for my country to stop trying to block them so I can get parts more easily.
Van life in the US is when someone could go to the junkyard to buy their new home because they cannot afford to rent an apartment.
Agreed.
Pretty spot on.
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Excellent video! Danke...
Using motorcycles for the past 14 years
But to me nothing still beats japanese reliability
In india
The honda is number one fill it shut it
Second yamaha more expensive to maintain than honda
Kawasaki premium for spares but last a lifetime
Suzuki is the least reliable in these 4
Btw indian brands like bajaj and tvs are really catching up in reliability front
Ktm i have duke390 no major problem but need to take care of her like a BABY
While Germany does have quality things I find German automobiles to be incredibly over-engineered and expensive to service. That is why European vehicles don't do well over here in the US. Depending on the brand some are near impossible to get your hands on and even harder to get parts for. When you can find parts you're spending a small fortune to do simple maintenance. I will never own anything BMW be it a car or a motorcycle.
As far as motorcycles go the only European brands that have my interest are Triumph & Royal Enfield, possibly even a Moto Guzzi. Their classic V-Twin seems fairly easy to keep maintained for being a Italian make. Other than those, a CF Moto or any respectable Japanese bike would be my next choice. :)
Two bikes you mention are rated as thec10 worst to own maintenance wise.
@@RonaldSkancke I figure the Guzzi is probably no1 on the list for being bad with maintenance since it's Italian and no2 is probably Triumph. But I'm talking more along the lines of changing oil than anything else. But I bet getting an oil filter for a Guzzi is like buying one for a Ferrari. Out of the three makes I've mentioned it's really Royal Enfield I have interest in the most. They look fun to ride.
Great video,👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I was going to buy a KTM until I learned that some of their products are made in China. So I looked at BMW, same shit.
I bought a Yamaha.
I dont see any news on Versys 300x coming back?! However, a lot of rumors are circulating about the new KLE. I hope both
German cars are expensive to buy, expensive to service and parts are expensive and they are not the same quality they once were im not surprised their car industry is collapsing
100%
Chinese AI is going to have a major effect on the future of manufacturing in China. Already they have reverse engineering and products such as Aircraft and EV are taking market share.. Political system sucks by western countries standards. But that's not what is the problem, its the open pathway to less government infringement. Chinese will dominate the manufacturing process.
They can become the best motorcycles in the world. I am never riding a communist CCP bike. And no, my phone is made in Korea.
Interesting. But the video starts with a frankly, out of date presumption. German cars (other than the very, very high end ... read uber-expensive) have pretty much been crap for the last decade or more. But they are still riding on the average buyer having no actual idea about what they are buying, and an industry that is happy to keep lying to support its profits.
Putting journalists in jail and violating human rights. Can you say Julian Assange?
China needs to be humble and get e European or Japanese Engineers to help them with their Vehicle Transmissions to also manage to conquer the Automobile world. Their vehicles are affordable but lag when you need the power to move. Work on your quality China
Oh wow - banger of an outro.
Supporting an evil regime as well as the obscenely massive amount of the world's money that is pouring into that country are significant concerns on my mind.
I suspect much of the world (that hasn't burnt, flooded or been destroyed by storms & droughts) will be controlled by China by 2100.
I recently bought an EV for my work.I was pleased I managed to find a Peugeot van as it was looking entirely like my only practical option was going to be Chinese.
CF moto is winning every competition it enters? Bologna!
KTM turned down Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boardman for that Long Way Around ..... and i think there was also a Wrong Way Around. They've been haemorrhaging ever since. Bad management I'm afraid.
Honda, yamaha aye not showing any interest in Indian market specially for 100 to 300 cc's bike. 100 to 125cc bikes are really famous in India and they are not launching any new models, they are just updating accessories and no major changes. Indian companies such as TVS and hero are doing better job (in all segments) my next bike would be xoom 125 once I get reviews specially from users itself
India has 300 percent tax on bigger bikes
After having seen Cheap quality Chinese bikes which are flimsy unreliable and get heated up like Superbike I would only trust a Bajaj TVS Hero Royal Enfield Java yezdi Honda only in India
What about Indian manufacturers…….. wh there is no mention of them ??
who are producing millions of motorcycles per year
China will never dominate the bike industry, Yes I agreed.
But that's not because of quality issues, they have top quality products now but because they don't know the actual ground reality of what the public really wants according to different markets.
Chinese motorcycle manufacturers just think that fully western style of designs will suit the riders all over the world, that's why Indian manufacturers shine in south Asian markets despite being comparatively less modern.
For eg: In my country Nepal, the Chinese motorcycles do not come with the good Pelion seat like Indian motorcycles do and a good Pelion seat is a must for almost everyone in this region because we don't have luxury to buy a lot of expensive cars, people here rely on their two wheelers to go out with families and friends.
That's why Indian motorcycles are dominating the market, they provide good looking and practical motorcycles at reasonable prices whereas Chinese are launching the very modern and comparatively much expensive motorcycles with zero practicality.
China just copying western designs without considering the consumer demographics.
Well, the dealer network and service has to count for something. My Yamaha dealer is within 20 miles, so I'll stick with Yamaha even if my wish list contains other brands.
My local Yamaha dealer is also a 20 mile distance away as well. But they've also been selling Suzuki for a few years and have been selling CF Moto in recent years. I haven't seen any CF Moto motorcycles on the road yet but they sell quite a few ATV's and UTV's. They used to be a Harley Davidson dealer up until they dropped Harley like a bad habit. The owner said they got screwed by Harley big time over the years so they cut ties with them. But they'll still service Harley's for people who have them.
China will eventually buy out Yamaha
sensible.
KTM is owned by Indian company Bajaj.
Not owned. It owns minority stake.
India is not allowing Chinese brands because they are afraid it might impact India brands
Very interesting, will look into that. Thanks for sharing.
@LukeHilby my bad after research cf moto was there in India but due to low quality and sales they exited India. I have seen few cf moto bikes that are 150cc bikes (bike shows) and they look good. Not sure sure about the quality or reliability. We purchased a 110 cc gearless bike which is activa Honda, it's very popular in India, they are known for reliability cause the bike {moped} are good for use in longer run. It is almost 9 years old.
God created man and Japan created the motorcycle
Thanks
Eu needs to realize that beyond 500, 600cc motorcycles are heavy and take more effort to ride, maintain, and travel with them. I would any day pick a 450 mt, 450 Himalayan, nx 500 over bigger bulkier GS Type of bikes.. most importantly I should be able to drop and repair the bikes without much hassle, Unlike the over-complicated bikes eu is been promoting for so long...
XD no one will beat Honda... thank you
Came to India...
China doesnt win races....when it does...it can be Ducati or Porsche until then its cheap and it seems cheap because it is. KTM just won Dakar in 2025 again and thats pretty good for company going out of business. Kove had entries and a bunch of them finished. I dont see any Chinese MotoGP, Motocross, Flattrack, Endro, pretty thin. You cant just copy winning you get out in front and win. They arent very good at that.
Well... autoritarian as what? England? Germany? USA? maybe France... But those slave prisoner enginers are making good and affordable bikes, the people in poor countries can now have a bike, maybe not the best but payable with our income. Thank good video.
It's the inevitable. Chinese are very smart, but initially, they lacked discipline. The current Chinese government has changed that, and they are emerging as threat to Japanese industries. Big names Like HONDA, YAMAHA, KAWASAKI AND SUZUKI will remain leaders, but not without strong Chinese fierce competition in the lower segment. It remains until EV motorcycles become more dominant.
Personally I think people need to stop freaking out about China taking over the automobile and motorcycle industry. This is the same thing that was going on with Japan here in the US back in the 60's with motorcycles and the 1980's with cars. All of the big companies were freaking out because Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki were taking over the motorcycle market. While Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi and Honda were taking over the auto market.
What's going on with China is just Japan 2.0. Instead of Japan taking over the market this time around it's China's turn. They're slowly going from making cheap budget items to quality products. When it comes to a company like CF Moto I feel their competition to fat complacent brands like Polaris and the likes are welcomed and needed. It would be even nicer if they made a manufacturing plant here in the US instead of importing them from Mexico. But we will have to see what comes of it.
Sehr interessant..😮
CFMoto & Benda very exciting❤
Made in China and quality should not be used in the same sentence.ktm is going down and all I read about cfmoto is not great.look at their side by sides.i personally won't by Chinese manufactured bikes.to each their own,good luck!
Japan is number 1 in engineering, China is number 2.
Germany is de-industrializing because they need to get lots of Africans to come and live there and once there are enough Africans there, Germany will become number 1 again in engineering and many other things as well, like they were in the past.
That makes no sense. You were being sarcastic right?
It really bugs me to see these motorcycle channel guys hiding their faces behind helmets- and it’s a universal thing not just here in Hong Kong but elsewhere like in this video! I ask the question: WHY? Are you some sort of terrorist that you must hide your identity from the public or you’re just ashame of being a motorcyclist? If there’s a third reason I’d let you know!
Cool Hillbilly ✌️😄
Great video. Really love the quality, the narration, humor etc. And big kudos for the reminder on what China is. There goes the subscribe
Chinas Bike are maybe cheaper but Lifetime is lower then another Bike. Is made for sell not for reliable.
How do you know this? Any proof
I wonder if when the author talked about the persecution of journalists and the violation of human rights, he was thinking about Julian Assange and the Starmer regime?
No bike designed and built in China for me, sorry...I don't care where my phone is built. I just don't trust and also don't like the ,,chinese dream."
Hero also make 440x for Harley Davidson
Bwm f450 being manufactured by tvs.