Mercedes EQS 450+ 1000 km challenge
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Thanks Bjørn for another great 1000 km challenge. Performance of the EQS 450+ was off the chart. It is amazing that it only took 5 minutes longer than a fossil car or battery swap EV. This video really showcases the benefits of efficiency and low aero drag. I agree that DC fast charging is actually better than battery swap, since you can do something else while charging.
Can't wait to see " Best shit ever - Tesla Bjorn" in Mercedes' marketing material.
"Norwegian left lane huggers club" absolutely made my day :D
I love my EQS - road trips in this thing are an absolute pleasure. I get off more refreshed than when I get in. Mercedes has really knocked it out of the park.
I ordered 3 weeks ago EQE 300, that should be faster and use less charge then the EQS450, please Bjorn, test this was as well. But thanks for the nice confirmatin, that Mercedes is back in race.
Finally the test we all have waited for since the EQS was announced. Thank you for doing this test.
Had the pleasure to drive a EQS 450+ for a week and can confirm that range becomes irrelevant almost. I was getting 600 km on the German Autobahn due to construction, even while driving 180 km/h when possible. Awesome car and great test. Thanks Björn 😊👏⚡️
W O W
As a German the German words always make me chuckle. The pronunciation is hilarious, it is off and far from perfect but still ...good.
His pronunciation is really good imo 👌🏼
@@toughkix6910 yeah „Baustelle“ was pretty much on point!
Baustelle, Kaputt, etc. Er macht das doch super?!
His pronunciation is *really* good.
Great long range performance by MB! A win for EVs.
And a new record in comfort! :)
I like that setup better then the hyper screen
Not often a vehicle gets such a resounding "Bjorn Seal Of Approval". Great showing overall by Mercedes, but they need to get their navigation software ironed out. It really cheapens the perceived value of the car.
yeah that moment was pretty awkward....one excuse could be that the internet connection is slow, because in many cases those calculations are not done locally but on a remote server.
BUT if that would be the case a notificicaiton to the user would be needed!! waiting 20 seconds for nothing is really stupid.
This is just a theory, could also be the case that there is just bug present.
It's a good car. It's just so expensive It's pretty irrelevant overall for the expansion and uptake of EV's.
@@tzarcoal1018 On AMuS the EQS 450+ also took ages to calculate, maybe the Hyperscreen has a more advanced faster processor & the 450(+) does not get the option of the hyperscreen.
@@AOTanoos22 That is the case, the Hyperscreen Models do indeed have a faster processor and more RAM. I think it is a pretty insane amount, 24GB of RAM if i remember correctly.
But really that can* not be the reason.
Because the hardware on the "small" screen models is not at all bad either ( 16GB of ram (and still an octocore i believe), plenty enough to do this route optimisation task.
For me it looks like it has to be bad software, (not an expert on infotaiment systems, but i am working as a programmer).
The hardware itself really should not be the issue here*, there plenty of systems doing okay with less, i think that the EQS is one of the cars with the most potent hardware riht now ( both versions)
I am pretty sure the calculation is done remote on a server. They did a poor job on at least one location be it in the process on the server or in the car. If the internet is two bad to transmit enough data, do a timeout and then a feedback to the user, so he knows what is up.
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However the whole system is using containers quite a lot, so the navigation has of course much less RAM available. So it could be still possible that the difference spec mean different amount of RAM available for the nav, meaning weird bugs only accuring in the slower version.
STILL in my vied its a bug and should be fixed, the "slower" hardware in the "small" screen models is way to powerful to be an excuse.
PS: the spellchecking is not working atm, i type pretty fast and sometimes sloppy and english is not my fist language so excuse any spelling errors.
@@tzarcoal1018 yes that makes sense and i agree, i was thinking the same, the hardware on the 450+ is plenty and powerful enough, in fact the 450+ uses the same hardware as the top-end O-LED S-class version and when the S-class got revealed they showed off how they had the fastest hardware back then from Nvidia and even the Nvidia CEO himself (Jen-Hsun Huang) presented the S-class‘ infotainment system and kept saying how powerful the infotainment system is.
I assumed it was because of hardware at first because it appeared to me that Bjørn did not have these long waiting time issues with the EQS 580‘s infotainment.
That interior is freakin sublime , nice !
The car is so compfortable, that I would count this 1000 km challenge as home office 😉
4:43 I'm pretty sure that's a bug or a input data issue. I've seen EQS optimizing about 50 times now and it never took that long. Usually it takes only a couple seconds longer than a Tesla, which is to be expected since Mercs take meterological effects and topology into account, which Teslas don't or at least didn't back when I observed the reference time.
5:27 What happened there is that it aborted the operation after some threshold time value was reached. Maybe it got stuck in loop bc of false data about the road network with its closures and detours.
I have the EQS and I also got this bug this summer. for me it happened after I turned the " EQ optimized route" setting off and then turned it on again. So its a bug, that wasn't there in the Spring. Otherwise very bug free system.
After the test with the EQS 580, I already forecasted this could would be record breaking. And now it has proven!. Best EV in the world.
The one we‘ve all been waiting for...
Legacy Automaker Lag - LOL. Nice one.
People are hugging the left lane which is the wrong lane, should be hugging the right lane which is the right lane.
Yeah , the right lane is for normal speeds, the left one for higher speeds , at least in most countries in Europe .
Great Video. Wow money certainly can buy you a great looking car. I am glad you are doing the 1000 km challenge during the day so we can see the scenery :)
Coming back and watched again, great review!
LAL: Legacy Automaker Lag... :D
One of the best looking EV’s
Congrats MB. Can't wait Model S plaid 1000 km test. Not in Sunday please :-)
Hi Bjorn! For your next showcase of that table where you keep track of these stats, could u kindly add the manufactured year of the car? Would help in framing the differences hardware wise. Love your work! Thank You!🙌
I own a Model Y this month but the quality of mercedes is on another level.
For double the price, you can expect that.
Miss you Bjorn here from the states
The route calculation takes place online. So with a bad mobile Internet connection it takes a while.
To set recuperation at D Auto will improve the range.
Regen setting is irrelevant here.
Thanks for the Video Björn. Great car for travelling in luxury and comfort.
Yes, I started to wonder if the charge curve is flat enough to make it overall faster to stay and charge longer since each stop has a time overheard + practically speaking I rather spend 5 minutes charging then drive to a charger and spend 5 minutes in "Ladestau" - the queue time will affect me since I can not skip that (but I agree that Björn should skip it since he establishes a base line for the car)
Bjorn, incredible time. But should try if using ac during charging effects the charging speed. It should always be possible to use ac without sacrificing performance, in a luxury car that is :)
EQS is an amazing car. Come to U.S and try the refresh model s long range, it will be a good race.
Henceforth, you shall bear the mark of the Tristar, and will be known as "MercedesBjørn"!
Bjørn noticed the super smooth new asphalt which they’re busy laying on the E6? It’s super quiet, but do you know if it causes less rolling resistance than the more traditional rough as fast they normally use in Sweden and Norway?
Bjorn, please do the BZ4X as well. Hope the wheel won't come off while motion. Heh.
Hell Yeah! That's what I'm talking about! Only 5 minutes of difference across 1000 km that's nothing! Now imagine a few drivetrain improvements for even higher efficiency and 800V so it isn't limited to 200 kW and those 5 min will melt away. Btw I think it might've been even a tad faster if you just did two charging stops from 5-70%. That's the optimal window if you take into account 5 min per charging stop of detour and plugging in. Shame the automatic route planner had a bug at first. Might've been fixable if you restarted the car but shouldn't have occured in the first place.
..I suppose the Drive Train is now close to Optimum. There won't be much improvemtn down the road, just pure physics. But, you know 110 km/h average a 2 l per 100 !
@@markusdicks648 Actually there are improvements to be made. From the battery to the road most systems only reach around 80% efficiency. The Mercedes EQXX manages over 90%. That's a big improvement.
@@markusdicks648 there are still couple of improvements to be made, mainly on the transistors where most of the losses currently appear. The ones on the EQXX are made out of silicon carbide which generate far less heat and therefore have a far better efficiency and will be implemented in Mercedes' future EV's starting in 2024/25 with their new EV first platform from A to C class. Also Mercedes is planning a 2 speed transmission which should help efficiency at high way speeds quite a bit and make the drive train more efficient.
@@markusdicks648 Just remember that Mercedes stated the wltp approx 40km shorter due to big tyres. 5% longer range means 5% less consumption. So if he had to charge 110KWH he could have charged 6kWh less saving some minutes
Is it just me... or does that drivers air vent look like it came from a 1967 Ford Cortina 🤔🤣
20C is “hot”. Wow. I should move to Scandinavia.
What a car 😁👍
Hi Bjørn! Will you make 1000 km challenges even in that point when it is only a matter of how much you hammer and not how you/car charge? Type 1 discharge might be a problem in non-stop challenge I guess...
the "LOL" HAHAHaa
TSLAQ will love the good news.
Can you try EQE300 or EQE350? Will it have same autonomy as i4?
Hi. Will you come down to Paris, for the Auto Show at the end of October ?
This channel is like the HDTV channel
14:40 it says you how long and to what percentage you need to charge👍
6 mins to 27%
They should make an EQE with this battery pack. EQS is out of my "range" (haha).
I would be interested in a Summer Test of Etron GT with 20" wheels...Should at least catch up to i4 40 i guess...what do u think?
Bjørn loves the GT. Should test it again
looking for dacia spring 10.000 km challenge. 🙂
the result is impressive. if you ask me it's acceptable to do 1000 km in under 12 hours. so if you exclude the honda bad joke car, the antique egolf, the vans, the older zoe and others few then all of them are acceptable. not many people do this kind of distance in one go. so as long as you have a decent size battery, fast charging then most are acceptable.
no sane person would ever drive Spring for 1000km. It's only a city or inter-city car at best.
@@alfrredd not many ever do 1000 km in one day. I did it once. He did the test with that bs poc honda. Why not with the spring? I would like to see some tests.
Do we allow multiple days for Spring to do 1000 kms?
@@ronverheijen5407 i bet it's significantly better than the Honda. It's a small car, quite efficient and charges fast compared to its power usage. I'm quite curios.
Beware the night bananas.
Hey Bjorn, could you test 200kmh range with EQS? I know from some of your videos its so slippery that tailwind or headwind didn't matter so much. I wonder how the cooling and range would be at high continuous speeds.. Maybe in a few years the EQS is a very nice second hand car!
I am actual considering EQS 450+ because the Tesla is not available in our country as yet due high taxes.
Nice performance! You should also test the BMW iX 50 with the big battery. You would be pleasently surprised by the efficiency in warmer temperatures!
I second that! Please test BMW iX 50 now in summer while you still can.
Hi Bjorn! Do you think driving in fast moving traffic is better for aerodynamics because the car infront is slising the air and reduces drag for you? Do you think this can have any significanr effect on your test?
Small improvenent only due to 0.2 Cd.
@@bjornnyland Thank you!
You would have to driver super super close, to see significant effects. Which would be problematic from a safety standpoint.
I really hope you revisit the EV6 in warm condition. I wann see what 800V does in this case if it can be fully utilized.
Bjorn, what would you choose between EQE43 and EQS450?
EQS
always wanted MB... One day, when I'm around 50 years old.
Awesome number! Also can't wait for Ioniq 6 numbers. That's gonna be close to this one if they managed to get the correct updates for getting the battery at the right temperatures.
Waiting for the Lucid Air Grand Touring range test too 👍
This is the true range EV
I think there is a real chance the Lucid can do it with just one charging stop. Question is if Bjorn can
@@Kuchenblech_Mafioso no the air can “only” do 800km at a constant 113kph.
@@rudyyyxu If it's doing one charging stop it only needs to do 500km (or 600km to avoid having to charge past 80%) on a single charge since it starts with a full battery.
I'm a bit disappointed that the EQS 450+ isn't lower in consumption. It was already foreseeable after the first tests a year ago, but some journalists had praised the fantastic highway consumption of 150Wh/km. But with the very good charging curve and the low consumption, it is an impressive vehicle. But also impressive price ;)
With standard tyres the range is 780km wltp and 106,2KWh means 136wh/h. For this type car this is extreme.
@@ulyden1947 This is about practical data and not about WLTP. In this run it used 220Wh/km, so with smaller/optimised tires it maybe gets down to 200Wh/km, if at all.
@@Zedus-rl9hp It was just a estimate of how much faster 1000 challenge with standard tyres. Estimate based on differences on wltp with current tyres vs standard. 100*780/711= 9.7%.
@@ulyden1947 780km=WLTP, 711km=Bjørns Range?! Or just coincidentally the same numbers? Otherwise, WLTP cannot be compared to a practical test
@@Zedus-rl9hp Yes you can. TB test shows tat most cars are achieving wltp at 90km/h. This mercedes was spot on mercedes wltp estimate. The increase to 120 makes a difference but in percentage it should be close to vltp difference in %
I think it should be slightly less efficient, but when you hug cars in front of you it will drive more efficiënt, especially in tunnels.
Nevertheless, stunning results!
Tesla needs to bring the LR S and Plaid so you can do a test Bjorn ! Thanks for the video! Love your videos!!!
will be awfully bad in comparison
Baustelle is always Scheiße !!!🤣
I’d love to see a 1000km challenge in Germany with an EQS or Model 3 LR. Really interested to see the range at higher speeds
Then it won't be a 1000 km challenge that I have defined.
@@bjornnyland true, Deutschland challenge then
I would be relevant for one country only as the rest of the world has speed limits in place.
I love your German words
Ausgezeichnet , dude !
Norwegian Left Lane Huggers Club 🤣
By faaaar the largest drivers club in Norway 👍🇳🇴
Doesn't Mercedes test the in vernal systems? zit seem also some software tweets too!
72%for361km，it seems 770km is by NEDC, as well as model 3 but with 120kwh battery.
I don't know how it is where you guys live, but here in Portugal this is a €120.000+ car. Not a whole lot of people can afford it, most will opt for a Tesla or the EQE.
@@jellyd4889 True and a great car as well
Even a Tesla or an EQE is not affordable for "most" people. But still interesting to see what the different models are capable of. Guess Mercedes was never meant to be the price-performance-winner :)
tesla is way overpriced for low quality
Car looks really great, and must be super comfy, however .... The user interface looks like Windows media player pulled out of Windows Vista :D.
LAL is a LOL. 😀😃🙂 Bravo! Great joke. ... * - LAL - Legacy Automaker Lag (of the infotainment)
the wheels are holding this car back
Now that shows the EV’s are getting much better at this test. At point it safe to say we just need more manufacturers to step up now that there are some good examples out there showing that long trips are easy with modern EV’s. The biggest issue is poor charging infrastructure and unreliable chargers in a lot of countries not the EV’s.
*EVs (plural)
@@bjornnyland 😂🤦
Just wait until you get an Aptera ;)
Its gonna be boring 😅
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Ordered the EQS350 in April and was really looking forward to it. Then in July Mercedes just canceled my order because they discontinued the 350 :-( . Now ordered a MYP instead after two times Model S. Anyway, great time of the 450+!
Who can it be, that the Tesla M3P is faster than the M3LR with the same battery, and the M3P have higher consumption? 17:29
*How can it be
Model 3 Performance had bigger battery and was charging faster.
In The Netherlands driving an EV is more expensive then a diesel or gas powered car due to the high KWh prices...
In Norway the govt subsidise 90percent above 0.7 nok, so still a lot lot cheaper
Only if you charge at home. My kWh rate for public charging went up by just 1 or 2 cents last year (Shell Recharge pass).
Long live the king Mercedes
Still don’t get software upgrades I will stick with Tesla and the charging stations. And twice the price
Yes, Tesla is so far ahead they can't even offer basic stuff like working Matrix Headlights, an opening sunroof with a decent sunshade, a head up display, any kind of nice design (unless you love frogs that is), a decent ride for less than 136000 bucks, a 360 camera, RADARS (FFS)...and those "cockpits" that look like some dude made them in his garage...how can any car maker keep up with them?!?
I know, frogs are so ugly and a Porche 911 esp does not look like one 😉
Maybe; the legacy automakers could start matching Teslas software; FSD and EV chassis integration skills, then Tesla could provide an opening sun roof again lol… btw I had a Model S with an opening sun roof. I never had problems w it.
Will stay the question: Can you feed your overpaid employees by selling 10k of those EQS, since we know, every mercedes driver drives a mercedes S450, right?
Imagine you had Aero wheels
impressive result. would always go for that rather than EQE esp seeing how the EQE can easily be specced to come close to the EQS in lower spec in terms of price (if EQs is chosen without the hyperscreen). now I wait for the new Model 3 LR test because that can come very very close due to its efficiency.
only thing: with such a large battery it is clear that it beats a car with 75kWh available. for that one needs to compare within classes: so the EQS agaibst the I7 and when finally there the Model S Plaid or LR.
Optimising Route timeouts and defaults to start
Let’s wait for NIO ET5 beast…..Bjorn will change his statement of which is best sheet ever 😃
Nio will be the first EV under 9h for sure.
Bjorn, when are you planing to test EQE? I mean 53AMG.
Already tested. Check out my channel.
@@bjornnyland You tested EQE43, not EQE53 :)
14:22 Ladestau !?🙃
1000 TACK
You should use AC if you need during the charging stop.
It is the way the car will be used in real world..
If the car has not been designed for this, it is the way it is.
Normally you don't sit in the car during charging. Just like Björn, you go to the restroom, maybe eat something and so on. So it wouldn't be realistic to use ac during charging.
@@PappiH i usually sit on the car during charging stop. Not all the time but mainly, i stay in the car during the charge.
If Bjorn stays on the car after buyings and restroom break, he shoud put AC on if needed. It is a "normal" behaviour.
With a battery almost 50% bigger not a huge difference 😉 Plus RWD
By the way in real life 700 km a day is more realistic
6 hrs. is enough
I drive a EQS 450+ daily...never ever had any problems with the navigation. I think actually it's a "human-error" in this test.
What was the "human error" then?
@@bjornnyland don't take me wrong, nothing against you as a person... but it's easy to miss out on stuff ... 🙂
But I got the feeling that you really liked the car 👍.
Well, as long as you can't tell me what the "human error" was then it will still be car error.
Traffic? 🤣
You've never seen the M25 around London or the M1 or M6
Hold my beer. Come to Thailand to see real traffic. Whatever is in London is just zombie apocalypse in comparison. Everything is relative.
Good job. What is the cost of one of these puppies?
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Baustelle???
I was driving the white Volvo XC40, the car would not charge.. I prefer driving the I4 M50, german power😈
This proves to me battery swap vehicles like NEO will fail and fade away as charging speeds increase. EQS very nice car shame it cost nearly three times as much as a Tesla model Y lease per month in the uk.. it always seems to be Tesla's for the win .. hey I know the eqs is more luxurious but not 2.5x ...eh eh ?
Dinausaurus constructorus seems to have understood. Now they can improve the software 🤣
L.A.L. 🤣😂
Nice car indeed, but what about the navigation issues?
And you have to pay an extra of nearly 600€ just for the heating of the steering wheel.
Poor Internet Connection and a bug
Bjorn I know a tesla navigator is much better and powerful but why do you not use android auto or apple car play in the car?
Great video anyway keep it up
Because then I wouldn't find these bugs.
Tesla can't autoroute with other chargers than SuC. Kinda suxxs
@@alphafoxtrot2100 Tesla SuC are reliable...most of the other brands suxxs.