Those ABB chargers at the first stop are always broken, no matter in which location. In Germany Shell and Total also have them and they never work or the cable cooling is kaputt. If the cable doesn't get cooled it will fall back to around 37kW which you experienced there. Don't use chargers from the following manufacturers: Efacec ABB Evbox In my experience it's not worth to go to them and then just drive away because everyone is broken or not working. However in Germany all the CPOs except Shell and Total have noticed them and all are only building new locations with Alpitronic as manufacturer and Allego is also replacing all old Efacec chargers with new and now working Alpitronic ones.
ABB are actually not that bad considering they are only thrown together from some of-the-shelf industrial components. The problem is the cable at these chargers. They should probably consider using Phoenix Contact cables instead of the very often failing H+S.
@@francescoboselli6033 Alpitronic is simply amazing! They can supply full 500A, theoretically even on their 150kW chargers. And they are modular :) Keep up the work in Italy ;)
Haha I've been to Norway/Sweden once, in May, and needed to use those EXACT ABB chargers and they were broken. Two guys were fixing them and said it would be a few hours. Had to drive (stressfully) 15 minutes up the road to a single 50kW charger which thankfully was working.
Bjørn you need to make a video about the software and say whats bad and whats god with software on dashboard and the other screens. As the importer and the manyfactor is talking god together an they are willing to do the changes that are needed for Norway and EU. So you Bjørn is the best person to give them a video about all the bad and good and what they sold chance.
Time will tell about the real value of all these new Chinese ev. They are popping out real fast. This one specifically is really good looking, original but not tacky like many other China ev. Bjorn you should go and find some very used Chinese ev 100k km or more 6/7 years at least to check the performance but also the overall quality to check how they hold up. The fact that they sell for 10% less than premium German cars is quite laughable....if only for brand status that mb BMW or Audi bring within the pricetad
I think the more higher spec Chinese brands like NIO, BYD and Xpeng are gonna hold up pretty well. Their building quaility looks pretty good. The MG's on the other hand seem to rust very quickly.
It is true that German internal combustion cars represent a certain status, hence they are very popular in China. However, nowadays in China, the previous Mercedes and BM owners are switchting to NIO, Zeekr 001 and other Chinese domestic brands because Chinese electric cars are just better than their German counterparts.
as chinese i had test drive many EVs model here in china , i think the state own automaker such as hongqi always make bad software, the best car software is huawei harmony OS Space that thing only install in brand AITO ,and Avatar. hongqi already cooperate with huawei hope they can install huawei carspace in they EV.
Seems like this car charges very slowly after 50%? Not sure if u have charged upto 100% after the first charge. It’s like you have charged 50% in one station and continued the journey and charged another 50% on the way through. This way you always got the fastest charge upto 50%. I think for NIO ES8, you waited till it charged 95%….just my opinion but I might be 100% wrong
This has been a very confusing presentation. Have you considered that this vehicle is charged over night in a commercial parking facility ive got my doubts that this vehicle has ever been used in the manner which you are using it in
Think EVs should be taxed based on consumption we don't need huge cars. The SUV hype has caused too much harm when it comes to ICE let's not have everyone going around in unnecessarily large EV vehicles.
I don't understand how you can take such a car seriously. It's still a car that most people can't afford, is way too big and heavy, and consumes way too much. This kind of car is not the solution to the climate crisis. I see the EV's as an better altarnative for fossil cars but all these chinese tanks (NIO, BYD and this Hongqi) are unnecessary for the present market.
True, but many german models are as inefficient as this. Soon only the regime members will drive tanks like this "Red Flag" or Audi, Mercedes, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc. Meanwhile they will ration electricity for everyone else, make it impossible to drive cars for others and force everyone to eat worms.
The E-Hummer pops into mind. Anyway. How about the upcoming Nio ET5, or like the patent Hongqi had filed in China back in July which is for an E-HS5 - which is likely a compact car. Aren't manufacturers allowed to have a bit of depth to their portfolios, if Mercedes and Audi do it, why can't everyone else?
18 minutes delay at Uddevalla ? You lucky guy.... I was there last sunday, drving all the way from my beautiful Norway holiday back home to my last stop in Sweden and had a delay of 45 minutes. I know, driving in Norway and Sweden is a dirty job but somebody has to do it... Greetings from the Netherlands and continue the good work.
Bjørn, you got really lucky in Uddevalla! I was stuck there the same weekend for more than an hour going northbound. I've never experienced a stau that bad in Sweden before, it was crazy.
E.ON and Clever should replace this chargers at Haby with alpitronic. They already replaced some in Fredericia and Nyborg in Denmark. As these are always broken, they should also consider doing this at Haby.
Had the same issue with that ABB/EOn charger last Friday. Only got 32 kW. Probably cooling not working. Notified EOn but I guess they either don't care or don't have the spare parts to fix it. Crazy bad for their brand recognition...
The price for this car was just reduced heavily here is Sweden. Now (June 2023) 599 000 SEK for the Comfort version. That is a reduction of 300 000 SEK. They say the reduced price is temporary. Either way that is a lot of car for the money.
Hi Bjron, I have this SUV and recently drove to Rome, Paris and back to Norway. I traveled 7500km. I don't know why but every single Ionity station wouldn't give me more than 106-108kWh, but Tesla, BP (Amsterdam), Enel X (Italy) and many others would give me about 128 to 136kWh. I got to know this car so well that I can tell you all the pros and cons. Love your videos homie
What is the biggest pro and cons you have experienced? I'd love to test drive it, but here in Switzerland it is not sold yet :( Also, is it your first EV? if not, what EV you had before?
@@Gargantu4 Biggest pro is that the car is very quiet and comfortable for 7 passengers (I have a big family) and it looks awesome. The biggest con is the software, entertainment system and GPS. My GPS didn't work once we crossed to Austria. Everything could be fixed with an update and I hope they work on it. Android Auto will be available soon. This is my first EV
Get used to the speed slowing on cars in corners it’s part of the wonderful eu safety Committee, now if you speed your get a annoying gong above the speed limit any yes the slow down is currently optional but due to be compulsory from 2024
The way it looks I would totally buy it but I don`t see many for sale with high miles. It looks like to me that those who bought them new selling at having 25k km on the clock evenly. So, it makes me think there is something with the battery or something is about to happen to them over that km. Also about the chargers, they don`t just charge the car but they are also subject to regulations, and they can read the type of battery that is connected to them. So, manufacturer and testing results are in the database they are connecting to, so they have to use the most sustainable way to charge the car - basically, they are relatively new the the EU and through these charging sessions they are testing the car`s batteries for turue development and public safety. About the car I would only have two things that are missing from it; one is the folding step, and the other is the adjustable suspension system.
4:24 maybe the same problem that Kyle connor from out of spec Channel had at Varberg on those type of chargers migth have some trouble with the cooling in the cabel and then Charger restrict the Charginhg to sub 40 Kw. you shuld deduct time on that charger.
They are capable, since they can hook up to celluar infastructure. Just dont know if the OAT is done through the celluar network or like the cheap ass tesla through the wifi. I have to buy a "bridge" just for the model 3 to get thr OAT to work. Anyway, having OAT running on people home wifi is boarderlind suicide. Most people home net work just doesnt have strong enough security to prevent being hack. And it questionable how secure those OAT protocol and if the data is encrypted at all.
Those ABB chargers at the first stop are always broken, no matter in which location. In Germany Shell and Total also have them and they never work or the cable cooling is kaputt. If the cable doesn't get cooled it will fall back to around 37kW which you experienced there.
Don't use chargers from the following manufacturers:
Efacec
ABB
Evbox
In my experience it's not worth to go to them and then just drive away because everyone is broken or not working. However in Germany all the CPOs except Shell and Total have noticed them and all are only building new locations with Alpitronic as manufacturer and Allego is also replacing all old Efacec chargers with new and now working Alpitronic ones.
As an Italian is good to know that an Italian company produce reliable charges.
ABB are actually not that bad considering they are only thrown together from some of-the-shelf industrial components. The problem is the cable at these chargers. They should probably consider using Phoenix Contact cables instead of the very often failing H+S.
@@francescoboselli6033 ABB ones are made in Italy ;)
@@francescoboselli6033 Alpitronic is simply amazing! They can supply full 500A, theoretically even on their 150kW chargers. And they are modular :)
Keep up the work in Italy ;)
@@pxidr I was speaking of Alpitronic 😉. Also at least some models of ABB work... Right? 😂
If the Punisher had a SUV, this might be it
So nice to meet you at that Tesla supercharger! 21:30
You are the guy in the background?
@@nehemiahkasika yes, with the ID.3
Should be able to charge this beast at two chargers at the same time
5:30 isnt that 37kw a sign of failed temp sensor in handle or something?
So it expects the worse (cable overheat) and limits to 37kw.
Haha I've been to Norway/Sweden once, in May, and needed to use those EXACT ABB chargers and they were broken. Two guys were fixing them and said it would be a few hours. Had to drive (stressfully) 15 minutes up the road to a single 50kW charger which thankfully was working.
Voice wake up off... Yess... Voice wake up off...
Fisting the cup holder 😂😂
Did you had " Håby Burger" ??? The best in this fricki`n world !!!!
LOL charging at 102KW. KIA EV9 says, see you tomorrow 😀
I just noticed that this car kind of looks like Prince Noctis's car from Final Fantasy XV in SUV form.
Live in fantasy
Bjørn you need to make a video about the software and say whats bad and whats god with software on dashboard and the other screens. As the importer and the manyfactor is talking god together an they are willing to do the changes that are needed for Norway and EU. So you Bjørn is the best person to give them a video about all the bad and good and what they sold chance.
Ok, I will tell Jørn to make a video about this.
@@bjornnyland lol forgot the B in your name lol ;)
No problem, Rik Myrdal.
WATCH OUT SURROUND!!!😂
I absolutely dig this thing. Not jazzed about it being Chinese but, damn it's good.
whats wrong with it being Chinese?
it's like one of those lexus suv-s only less round. a brixus?
ABB Always Be Broken
Time will tell about the real value of all these new Chinese ev. They are popping out real fast. This one specifically is really good looking, original but not tacky like many other China ev. Bjorn you should go and find some very used Chinese ev 100k km or more 6/7 years at least to check the performance but also the overall quality to check how they hold up. The fact that they sell for 10% less than premium German cars is quite laughable....if only for brand status that mb BMW or Audi bring within the pricetad
Then he probably would have to go to China 😅 Norway was first export country and that was 2021 i believe
I think the more higher spec Chinese brands like NIO, BYD and Xpeng are gonna hold up pretty well. Their building quaility looks pretty good. The MG's on the other hand seem to rust very quickly.
It is true that German internal combustion cars represent a certain status, hence they are very popular in China. However, nowadays in China, the previous Mercedes and BM owners are switchting to NIO, Zeekr 001 and other Chinese domestic brands because Chinese electric cars are just better than their German counterparts.
NIO has been out since 2018 and have been topping jdpower reliability surveys ever since👍
Don't worry. FAW is behind Hongqi. They know how to make cars. Just google about FAW.
as chinese i had test drive many EVs model here in china , i think the state own automaker such as hongqi always make bad software, the best car software is huawei harmony OS Space that thing only install in brand AITO ,and Avatar. hongqi already cooperate with huawei hope they can install huawei carspace in they EV.
@@yuchen3008 芯片不行是速度慢，硬件不好就应该多优化软件，红旗那个车机优化一塌糊涂，硬件慢和软件不好用是2个概念，bba的车机芯片也没用好芯片，但比较简单 逻辑通畅，缺点就是功能少画面丑，但流畅度好很多。
@@yuchen3008 鬼佬没那么在乎 车机系统画面好不好看，精不精美，功能多不多。简单好用就行了。这点和国内不同，国内被8155养的口味比较刁， bba和小日子的车机天天 被吐槽是上个世纪的产物。
@@yuchen3008 工信部已经在着手要求国内企业统一国内车机底层操作系统了，看看谁来搞吧。华为已经把鸿蒙系统送给国家了，看看会不会用 鸿蒙 车空间系统 做底层。这个视频也在吐糟国内车机没有连续一贯的逻辑，都是各干各的，买台不同牌子车就要重新学习一次，上手成本太高，对大规模出海 很不利。也不利于树立一个统一的 华系车 概念。
@@yuchen3008 工信部前部长直接说了 留给我们统一车机操作系统的时间 只有3年最多5年，我们现在有优势，但后面的追赶着盯得很紧。必须加快了。
@@yuchen3008 个人认为可以国家层面组织一个车机产业联盟专门针对出口车，要求加入联盟的车企 车机可以有自己的特色，但基础功能 必须统一操作逻辑至少要有一个统一的操作界面，各家在二级菜单里面加入自己的特色功能。让外国人一看就知道这是华系车。国内市场则完全开放让大家大乱斗。
Oddly I like the looks, shame its out of my price range 😅
Even this front fascia grill looks better than BMW's?
The Haval Jolion brakes on slight bends and corners - useless
Front looks like cadillac escalade, rear like Etron and rear window looks like Kia Carnival. Mix of many worlds.
Can't open the rear door, huh... Always Be Childproofed, Always Be Closed.
Beautifull RR.
Best music ever!!!!
Beautiful car
this is a big plastic container, you can see that it is just bad plastic. I hope Rivian will come to the test soon🤷
the Chinese Tank lol
Are you sure you are not going to get a copywrite strike against the music?
Copyright
Seems like this car charges very slowly after 50%? Not sure if u have charged upto 100% after the first charge. It’s like you have charged 50% in one station and continued the journey and charged another 50% on the way through. This way you always got the fastest charge upto 50%. I think for NIO ES8, you waited till it charged 95%….just my opinion but I might be 100% wrong
Watch charging video from yesterday.
@@bjornnyland sure thank you 😊
8:43 - its so fat it squashed the paint onto the tyre. ;)
Does this car have a frunk?
ruclips.net/video/BGOjQGlPd8M/видео.html
ABB chargers = Always be broken.
This has been a very confusing presentation.
Have you considered that this vehicle is charged over night in a commercial parking facility ive got my doubts that this vehicle has ever been used in the manner which you are using it in
Nice car but what a disaster with charging.
I have a feeling our dictator didn't enjoy this 1000 km challenge
Think EVs should be taxed based on consumption we don't need huge cars. The SUV hype has caused too much harm when it comes to ICE let's not have everyone going around in unnecessarily large EV vehicles.
Incorrect. Some people actually need huge cars.
@@bjornnyland Thank you for correcting him.
Is this the new official car for the nomenclatura of the Norwegian Communist Party?
So it has about twice the consumption of a Model Y?? Lol
The EU paid for the charger to be broken all the time lol
It is so stupid wirh these Cumese cars how they brake so much in the slightly bendy roads 🤦🏻♂️ mine does it as well and it is infuriating!
Why would they make such an unaerodynamic car?
I don't understand how you can take such a car seriously. It's still a car that most people can't afford, is way too big and heavy, and consumes way too much. This kind of car is not the solution to the climate crisis. I see the EV's as an better altarnative for fossil cars but all these chinese tanks (NIO, BYD and this Hongqi) are unnecessary for the present market.
Tesla started with the Model S, and followed with cheaper models.
True, but many german models are as inefficient as this. Soon only the regime members will drive tanks like this "Red Flag" or Audi, Mercedes, Bentley, Rolls Royce etc. Meanwhile they will ration electricity for everyone else, make it impossible to drive cars for others and force everyone to eat worms.
The E-Hummer pops into mind. Anyway. How about the upcoming Nio ET5, or like the patent Hongqi had filed in China back in July which is for an E-HS5 - which is likely a compact car. Aren't manufacturers allowed to have a bit of depth to their portfolios, if Mercedes and Audi do it, why can't everyone else?
Incorrect. Lots of Nowergians can afford this car.
@@bjornnyland but that does not mean they are willing to buy this shit.
That is the most ugly vehicle I have seen since long
Very, very, very ugly car! 🧟♂️
Software is much broader than what people usually realize. For example, the softblinker issue you mentioned (32:04) may also be a software problem.
18 minutes delay at Uddevalla ? You lucky guy....
I was there last sunday, drving all the way from my beautiful Norway holiday back home to my last stop in Sweden and had a delay of 45 minutes.
I know, driving in Norway and Sweden is a dirty job but somebody has to do it...
Greetings from the Netherlands and continue the good work.
Everything you say about the car is spot on. Good test 😊👍
I'm just waiting for the NIO ET7 1000km challenge
Bjørn, you got really lucky in Uddevalla! I was stuck there the same weekend for more than an hour going northbound. I've never experienced a stau that bad in Sweden before, it was crazy.
E.ON and Clever should replace this chargers at Haby with alpitronic. They already replaced some in Fredericia and Nyborg in Denmark. As these are always broken, they should also consider doing this at Haby.
Had the same issue with that ABB/EOn charger last Friday. Only got 32 kW. Probably cooling not working. Notified EOn but I guess they either don't care or don't have the spare parts to fix it. Crazy bad for their brand recognition...
E off , Not e on
Most of the time off and Borken
"EU pays for this charger to be broken" I spit my drink 🤣
The look is growing on me ;-)
Looks great. Never understood the critics!
Something else in my pants is also growing.
@@bjornnyland Shit?
I must say this brick looks amazing from the front.
Really??
I think it’s Damn ugly
Chinese people love huge grills. It's a status symbol. That's why the BMWs are designed the same. European customers give a sh**.
@@SpeedFlap Not everyone like this style. Agree with you that new BMW front is sh**
@@SpeedFlap No, you just assumed that way😀
The price for this car was just reduced heavily here is Sweden. Now (June 2023) 599 000 SEK for the Comfort version. That is a reduction of 300 000 SEK.
They say the reduced price is temporary. Either way that is a lot of car for the money.
11:40 - Now this is a roadtrip soundtrack!
@0:44 It is as big as a Cadillac Escalade but faster and quicker with the same weight for the same price. Except it is an EV.
Oh... shieeeeett... I forgot to mention that the Uddevalla bridge was closed 7 days ago and probably still is :o
No one fisted a cupholder before!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🥊🤣
I was blown away by that cup/tall bottle holder too!
@@DouglasJMark haha did you fist that?????🤣
Oh, if you putt the bottle way down you get a hot drink! Because of the batteries😅
i have gac aion y and the acc always slow in the slightest turn
#Nordschleife - Made my day 😆
The gas station stop with the hotdog and food are the best part of any of your challenges keep it up bjørn
200km range and slow charging. Seems kinda useless to me...
Yeah, and thinking in winter will be just a city car.
NIO ES8 drag coefficient is CW 0.29
Hi Björn can you add a column indicating which car do have camping mode.??
The music in this video is unfortunately not nearly as good as the usual music you have. Hope you get maybe a better song for the next one!
I thought it was a quite refreshing change
Hi Bjron, I have this SUV and recently drove to Rome, Paris and back to Norway. I traveled 7500km. I don't know why but every single Ionity station wouldn't give me more than 106-108kWh, but Tesla, BP (Amsterdam), Enel X (Italy) and many others would give me about 128 to 136kWh. I got to know this car so well that I can tell you all the pros and cons. Love your videos homie
What is the biggest pro and cons you have experienced? I'd love to test drive it, but here in Switzerland it is not sold yet :( Also, is it your first EV? if not, what EV you had before?
@@Gargantu4 Biggest pro is that the car is very quiet and comfortable for 7 passengers (I have a big family) and it looks awesome. The biggest con is the software, entertainment system and GPS. My GPS didn't work once we crossed to Austria. Everything could be fixed with an update and I hope they work on it. Android Auto will be available soon. This is my first EV
@@JosueJavierPICOShi after 7 months how is the car? Is software better now?
?
Nice test Do it have autosteer or only adaptive cruise control?
Get used to the speed slowing on cars in corners it’s part of the wonderful eu safety Committee, now if you speed your get a annoying gong above the speed limit any yes the slow down is currently optional but due to be compulsory from 2024
When you read the 36km metter, check the Votage and Amperage first. 20:25 The A is 3 times lesser the average 240 & 480 V.
Again, the bad public charging experience is keeping people from adopting EVs, and is keeping me at Tesla.
Car seems like a HEADACHE !! I wouldn’t cope with all the drama you’re experiencing!
The way it looks I would totally buy it but I don`t see many for sale with high miles. It looks like to me that those who bought them new selling at having 25k km on the clock evenly. So, it makes me think there is something with the battery or something is about to happen to them over that km. Also about the chargers, they don`t just charge the car but they are also subject to regulations, and they can read the type of battery that is connected to them. So, manufacturer and testing results are in the database they are connecting to, so they have to use the most sustainable way to charge the car - basically, they are relatively new the the EU and through these charging sessions they are testing the car`s batteries for turue development and public safety. About the car I would only have two things that are missing from it; one is the folding step, and the other is the adjustable suspension system.
❤❤❤
The music in video is freaking hilarious. Thanks for the good laugh. I want to see one of these in black, totally gangster.
The slowing down in the curves is taken from Volvo. With Volvo is a feature of the cruse control and it can be turned off.
350 as consumption? Wow
Looking forward for the wintertest of the chineese cars, thirsty in summertime? wait to minus 10 celcius 😆
Honky E lol
10:47 nice
Will ne cool if you do a Menu and fetures on it. All that screens on it is the entertainment on the screen any good?
It fits 6, so .... How much does it burn filled up with people on the highway?
Marginally more
Aerodynamics is where you burn most power, … not weight except stop start traffic or climbing a mountain.
Korrekt.
ruclips.net/video/ChLSfpmnNZE/видео.html
Hope no liquids leak into that cup holder mechanism… a bit of milking coffee.. that’s going to build up a stank over time
shiiiiiiiiTT!
4:24 maybe the same problem that Kyle connor from out of spec Channel had at Varberg on those type of chargers migth have some trouble with the cooling in the cabel and then Charger restrict the Charginhg to sub 40 Kw. you shuld deduct time on that charger.
Already done. Watch the end.
Play that silly driving music while walking Dolly hahahah
.34 drag isn't that high. Even many aerodynamic looking cars from 20 years ago are worse.
20 years ago! Says it all.
"ABB" = Always Bloody Broken
The Chargers in Europe are so better than North America
Chinese opulence to be chauffeured around cities in.
23:15 check if Android Auto Works well
This Music is funny 👍😘😅
The interior doesn't look bad tbh
It's legal that side to hold a camera while driving? 🙆🏾♂️
Yes. Remember that many police people also watch my videos.
Hi Mr. Bjorn, you should try the super wide angle insta360 X3 you can see the entire cabin on wide view
No thanks.
Why isn’t this behemoth sold in the US yet!?
because US banned the import of Chinese EV's. if they import Chiness EV, their legacy car industry will be destroyed.
Did you forget to add "Bilkomponenter" to your intro? Very cool that you have some sponsors. Great content!
Hi bjørn, what's the song at 11.45?
11:45
@@bjornnyland sorry, I didn't catch the name
Sounded country with random syllables.
Ofer Koren
„Take the fun away“
Wonder if these Chinese EVs willl get OTA updates??
They are capable, since they can hook up to celluar infastructure. Just dont know if the OAT is done through the celluar network or like the cheap ass tesla through the wifi. I have to buy a "bridge" just for the model 3 to get thr OAT to work. Anyway, having OAT running on people home wifi is boarderlind suicide. Most people home net work just doesnt have strong enough security to prevent being hack. And it questionable how secure those OAT protocol and if the data is encrypted at all.