'Hidden Danger' was actually shown two weeks after the previous episode. It was scheduled for 4th July, but extended coverage of Wimbledon and the Ashes Test Match meant that in the end the BBC1 running order was rejigged and the episode was instead shown on 11th July. 'Doctor Who' conventions in the UK evolved out of the 'Doctor Who Appreciation Society' with their first event taking place in 1977. Some of these earlier ones were based at locations such as Imperial College, although there were also hotel-based events, such as the Leisure Hive conventions in Swindon in the mid 80s. One notable event is the April 1983 Longleat celebration organised by BBC Enterprises which famously caused massive traffic jams, allegedly bringing a large chunk of Wiltshire to a virtual stand-still 🙂.
Not sure what year conventions started in the 60s the UK was just recovering from the War Economically. However there were fairly big events in the 70s and 80s there should be footage of the conventions at Longleat Park (the estate of Lord Bath). Dalekmania was a big thing in the late 60s and there was a lot of stuff tied to that especially merchandizing, For many years I can remember that Blackpool had a "Dr Who Experience " Museum which had set arrangements and exhibits and information on the cast and gadgets etc. there was a similar one of these for Jerry Anderson which was at Alton Towers, on occasion there would be old cast and writers at them. in the 70s they brought out he Dr Who Technical guide which had diagrams of the crossection of a dalek and various info on the races. (I still own a few Dr Who annuals) . Dr who also ran comic strips which were very different than th TV serial with different characters, this maybe worth looking into, and also the DVD s came with commentaries of the serials from the creators and actors. I think the DVD extra content would be something interesting to react to
I definitely want to get into the bonus stuff. Your reference to AL town Towers made me very nostalgic, I grew up in the Midlands but now live in New Zealand
As we will see, the internal political conflict is very much central to this story rather than being added to pad out the run time. As I think I commented on the last episode, this sort of detail makes the Sensorites a more interesting race than is iften the case; they are not (with some exceptions) evil, merely defending their culture.
Statistically fan opinions tend to be 'okay' as a general guide of quality but enjoyment of a specific story is very much an individual experience. We all have different preferences and DW offers a wide range of stories. 'Gestalt' fan opinions change over time too as fans age, new ones come along and later media causes stories to be reassessed. This is really the first story since An Unearthly Child where Susan actually gets some agency in the plot. This was more like how the character was described to Carole Ann Ford. Whilst you have a valid point about the Doctor being wiser and protective, it is a very old fashioned stance. Do what your elders tell you to do, don't express your opinions and don't question them. Although DW was progressive for the time, you still had these kind of somewhat outdated attitudes creeping into the stories. Personally, I think it would have been interesting to have the Doctor trust Susan and let her go. The big conflict should have been with Ian and Barbara instead. Even though their relationship to Susan has evolved, as teachers they would probably default to a rigid duty of care. WH is putting on a voice for the character. There is a section of his 1960s Desert Island Discs radio programme that was discovered relatively recently. It might be worth tracking down online. If you listen to that you can get a better idea of his conversational voice which is quite different from the Doctor's.
An important difference between the development of ST and DW fandoms would've the availability of the stories. The original ST was syndicated in the US, whereas if you missed a DW serial on initial broadcast in the UK then you'd pretty much had it. So DW fandom was probably more about discussing episodes from memory. I'm not sure there were anything like conventions, certainly not on any scale, until the BBC exhibitions at the very end of the 1970s.
That is a great point. And weirdly I have old photograph of me, in 1977 at one of those exhibitors (Blackpool I think) and Tom Baker waving to the crowd in full costume. I have no memory of it though (I would have just turned four!)
On August 6th 1977, the world’s first Doctor Who convention was held in a church hall in Battersea, South London.
@@smartdesignuneed Interesting! A little earlier than I thought.
'Hidden Danger' was actually shown two weeks after the previous episode. It was scheduled for 4th July, but extended coverage of Wimbledon and the Ashes Test Match meant that in the end the BBC1 running order was rejigged and the episode was instead shown on 11th July.
'Doctor Who' conventions in the UK evolved out of the 'Doctor Who Appreciation Society' with their first event taking place in 1977. Some of these earlier ones were based at locations such as Imperial College, although there were also hotel-based events, such as the Leisure Hive conventions in Swindon in the mid 80s. One notable event is the April 1983 Longleat celebration organised by BBC Enterprises which famously caused massive traffic jams, allegedly bringing a large chunk of Wiltshire to a virtual stand-still 🙂.
Luckily I lived 3 miles away from Longleat. My dad also got complementary tickets! It really was our "Woodstock". Great time.
@@frankshailes3205 Nearest I got to experiencing it was listening to Ed Stewart doing reports on the radio! 🙂
Blimey, 1977 really was a big year in the development of fandom-culture! All of that and Punk rock exploding in the UK. What a year!
Not sure what year conventions started in the 60s the UK was just recovering from the War Economically. However there were fairly big events in the 70s and 80s there should be footage of the conventions at Longleat Park (the estate of Lord Bath). Dalekmania was a big thing in the late 60s and there was a lot of stuff tied to that especially merchandizing, For many years I can remember that Blackpool had a "Dr Who Experience " Museum which had set arrangements and exhibits and information on the cast and gadgets etc. there was a similar one of these for Jerry Anderson which was at Alton Towers, on occasion there would be old cast and writers at them. in the 70s they brought out he Dr Who Technical guide which had diagrams of the crossection of a dalek and various info on the races. (I still own a few Dr Who annuals) . Dr who also ran comic strips which were very different than th TV serial with different characters, this maybe worth looking into, and also the DVD s came with commentaries of the serials from the creators and actors. I think the DVD extra content would be something interesting to react to
I definitely want to get into the bonus stuff. Your reference to AL town Towers made me very nostalgic, I grew up in the Midlands but now live in New Zealand
As we will see, the internal political conflict is very much central to this story rather than being added to pad out the run time. As I think I commented on the last episode, this sort of detail makes the Sensorites a more interesting race than is iften the case; they are not (with some exceptions) evil, merely defending their culture.
Yeah! They have a really refreshing level of depth
Statistically fan opinions tend to be 'okay' as a general guide of quality but enjoyment of a specific story is very much an individual experience. We all have different preferences and DW offers a wide range of stories. 'Gestalt' fan opinions change over time too as fans age, new ones come along and later media causes stories to be reassessed.
This is really the first story since An Unearthly Child where Susan actually gets some agency in the plot. This was more like how the character was described to Carole Ann Ford. Whilst you have a valid point about the Doctor being wiser and protective, it is a very old fashioned stance. Do what your elders tell you to do, don't express your opinions and don't question them. Although DW was progressive for the time, you still had these kind of somewhat outdated attitudes creeping into the stories.
Personally, I think it would have been interesting to have the Doctor trust Susan and let her go. The big conflict should have been with Ian and Barbara instead. Even though their relationship to Susan has evolved, as teachers they would probably default to a rigid duty of care.
WH is putting on a voice for the character. There is a section of his 1960s Desert Island Discs radio programme that was discovered relatively recently. It might be worth tracking down online. If you listen to that you can get a better idea of his conversational voice which is quite different from the Doctor's.
Fascinating stuff about WH's voice. And it is great seeing Susan having some agency!
An important difference between the development of ST and DW fandoms would've the availability of the stories. The original ST was syndicated in the US, whereas if you missed a DW serial on initial broadcast in the UK then you'd pretty much had it. So DW fandom was probably more about discussing episodes from memory. I'm not sure there were anything like conventions, certainly not on any scale, until the BBC exhibitions at the very end of the 1970s.
That is a great point. And weirdly I have old photograph of me, in 1977 at one of those exhibitors (Blackpool I think) and Tom Baker waving to the crowd in full costume. I have no memory of it though (I would have just turned four!)