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I suspect that Thomas thought he'd be at war with Nanny West for a much longer time to come, and never expected to suddenly discover that he'd won. He might have been on the side of the angels this one time, but we've got to remember that, as far as he knew, he was actually lying when he told Cora about Nanny West neglecting the children. He has no idea what just passed the night before, and probably thought, "Wait, those lies I told, they were actually true?"
@@christopherhuang9501 Not necessarily. Nanny West let it slip that she'd left the children alone *twice* while talking to Thomas. He may not have known she was verbally abusing Sybbie, but I think he gathered she wasn't doing her job properly.
@@lonelyratgirl3688 Either that or (as I interpreted it anyway), he just somehow picked up on an instinctual level that she just wasn't suitable as a nanny.
@Ber P. why exactly is he a traitor? He somehow knew she wasn't suited as a nanny. May it be her way of interfering with him or because he genuinally cared for Sybille. The nanny was disrespectful towards him, so i do not see how he betrayed her, as they weren't on the same side. She made it clear, that she didn't want to be on a good basis with Thomas which lead to him telling Cora. But to betray someone (aka being a traitor) you have to be on one side. You can't betray your enemys.
He really has a soft spot for people who appreciate him and especially when they are nice to him. There are people who are so rude to him and especially him having the burden of being gay, I totally understand why to some people he is rude.
@@sammier.6125 Yeah, but on the other hand, even after Bates went out on a limb to help him on one occasion, Barrow still continued to be a jerk to both him & Anna, apparently forgetting the huge debt of gratitude he owed the man for helping him. So he's not entirely an angel, either...
No one ever comments on how wonderful Edith was to Isobelle. Everyone was so caught up in their own grief that they completely forgot that she has lost her child and must be suffering the most.
That's a good point. One of the things I love about Downton Abbey is that each character is complex. In some situations they're the good guy but in some situations they're the bad guy. You rarely see that in TV shows but it's reality for most people. Even Thomas is the hero in several situations.
nano15j i noticed, and yes, Edith was stellar with Isobelle. It was at that moment that they surely must've bonded. It was touching and genuine and a lovely moment. Edith was wonderful here.
Really love how Thomas looks out for Sybil's daughter. He picks up something wrong right away and becomes not only little Sybil's but all the children's guardian angel. Sybil'd have been touched and grateful by this undying friendship and kindness.
Although I think that Thomas did it because he didn't like it that Nanny West was ordering him around. I love that this is one of the few times that his scheming actually resulted in something good for someone other than him.
@@andreasoto5205 oh I think he will be. I think it'll be kind of cute because he'll probably still be the butler when little George takes over. Probably similar to how Carson was with Robert because they mentioned person came into the house as a whole boy or something like that when he was very very young. So he probably would have been around when Robert was little. Personally I would absolutely love it if they had a Downton Abbey movie that starts when little George is grown and in charge of Downton with Mary taking the role of The Dowager Countess
You always dislike Thomas and then he does something like exposes the abusive nanny’s and saves Edith from certain death in her bedroom. An antagonist for most of the show but performs some of the most heroic actions without thinking.
I liked him the second I saw him and I knew immediately how he was misunderstood and I hate to hear people say how cruel he is. And him doing things like that made me realize even more how he really is just misunderstood 😊
@@sammier.6125 He can be misunderstood and still be a manipulative, cold-hearted bastard. I only began to warm a little about him after the Jimmy incident. And even then I despised him when he was blackmailing Baxter to force her to spy on Lady Cora.
?,?, yeah He just got lucky with the nannying incident. I never really liked him as a character because he truly is just a mean person. Of course there is more complexity to his character than that but at pretty much every point in the show he’s an antagonist.
?,?, I’m confused we were just commenting about a fictional character and then you made a sexist comment and complained about people’s lives a hundred years ago... how were those relevant?
@@jamiebarringer4019 Maybe the main reason Cora didn't get loud was to avoid shocking and frightening the children. It sure took a lot of self control to keep her voice down, as furious as she was.
@@rowanaforrest9792 That's actually a very good point, I didn't think about it when I watched that episode. Also, the fact that she wanted to stay in the room personally instead of fetching Anna or someone else shows how protective of the kids she was in that moment. It wasn't only about West being a bad nanny, she was genuinely worried that she could do something else to the babies before leaving
@@Micaerys West was also holding a baby. I don't think she wanted to raise the stakes, until there were more hands on deck so to speak. It's an extremely terrifying scenario.
One of Thomas’ biggest victories in the show: he didn’t scheme, he simply observed Nanny West and looked after these children because he genuinely loves them. That’s how he got Nanny West properly fired for being a terrible woman. I was glad about his action this time, really
True. However, I think that this was more of an example of Barrow scheming for a different reason. He was slighted by Nanny West and he was getting back at her. To his surprise, he was right (but in a different way unbeknownst to him). I think that this was a first important step on his redemption arc though. It must have felt good to do something good for once. And, of course, he did love the kids -- especially Sybie.
Ber P. How is he a traitor for protecting the children? Sure he had other selfish motives, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he also cares for the children, especially Sybil, and saw she was being treating differently and that it needed to be addressed. Whether it was for all the right reasons or not it was the right thing to do, not traitorous like his past actions actually were.
@Ber P. Another trolling remark from you. You exaggerate a claim of rape when all he did was try to kiss him after being fed lies by O'Brien that Jimmy had feelings for him and spoke of it constantly. Idiot.
The smile on Thomas' face when he sees Sybbie in her pram is one of genuine pleasure. He cares about her not only because of her mother, he really cares for the daughter as well. Sybil had a gift for accepting people as they are and helping them to better themselves, Thomas knows what a rarity she was. It is no wonder he is protective of her daughter. Good on Cora for listening to him even though she isn't fond of him. As gentle as Cora is, I'd bet she was holding back from physically harming Nanny West.
It was because it involved her grandchildren. He told her both and then you saw them talking without hearing the rest of it. No way Cora was going to brush it off. What confuses me a bit is why not let Thomas say hi to Sybbie when she obviously hated her? Had she left that alone, she would have gone undetected for longer. That being said, she clearly liked having control and she made the mistake of pissing off Thomas. I would love to have seen her try this with Carson. Maybe Bates as well because he was protective of the family.
It's clear that Thomas has a soft spot for children, based on the way he acts with little Sybbie and later little George. It makes sense in a way. Thomas is lonely and isolated from other people, (yes, partly because he can be really evil sometimes.) He says straight out that very few people have ever been kind to him, and also the fact that homosexuality was outlawed would cause him to become bitter towards people. But no matter how scummy he can be, he is genuinely kind and gentle with the children. Probably because he feels that young children are innocent enough to like him without judgement.
@@melindoranightsilver9298 Thomas gets lucky. He does mean things and sometimes in spite of that, he gets lucky.. like when he saved Edith... or when he stole Isis to "find her". He just wanted to get Nanny into trouble and struck lucky that she had been very nasty to Sybbie so Cora sacked her on the spot...
To be fair--the thought of Nanny saying straight out that she had left two children of that age on their own would've been cause for sacking or at least a severe reprimand--the fact that she was being abusive to Sybbie was icing on the cake.
This is one of my favorite mini-story lines, Barrow hating on Nanny West literally saved little Sybbie. She was going to grow up full of trauma, nannies could've made or break great people back then. George VI is one example of how children suffered at the hands of evil nannies and how parents were clueless of how their children were being raised.
For sure, and it still goes on. Wealthy people still let their nannies raise their kids, and many of them are cold or cruel. Many historical figures were traumatized by evil nannies and absent parents. I don't think it would have happened with Sybbie though since Tom was more there for her and with her than the Crawleys were for their kids.
I didn't have a "nanny," but did have a horrible babysitter when I was five years old. My dad was a single parent and I never said a word about the abusive situation that he was delivering me into....didn't want to rock the boat. But my advice is for children who are being abused...ROCK THAT BOAT!
@@briancheuy7703 when he was a child and being nannied, the parents would come to visit their children. His nanny used to pinch him to make him cry so he'd be handed back quickly; and other times, she wouldn't feed him.
6:15 The fact that a grieving Isobel was denied access to her grandson by West is infuriating, she really thought big of herself, good riddance, good job Thomas !
That was so cruel of Nanny West. I was so wishing in that scene that a member of the family would have overheard and walked straight back to the nursery with Isobel and warned Nanny West to NEVER turn away little George's grandmother.
I like how Thomas is like a reincarnation of Carson in how they act towards the children like how Thomas acts towards Sybie and George like how Carson acts towards Mary
“Because I didn’t feel like it” Thomas is such a badass. He’s full of mixed emotions like a soft spot for children and he can get sassy when people are trying to get under his skin. Thomas is my favourite character in downtown abbey
EXACTLY. People always misread his character as just being “petty” or “evil” (which is always annoying) and completely forget how complex and interesting of a character he is. **cough** he’s the best character **cough**
Certainly! A great mood to be in😂,the way Thomas delivered the statement was absolutely brilliant! I shall use it frequently from now on to intolerable people
For those that don't understand why Nanny West was SO panicked... the moment Cora made clear she was leaving in the morning her life was done. Back in those days a reference was EVERYTHING. Without one you would get hired no where. And you couldn't have a gap in your records because houses talk... everyone would know she worked for the Crawleys and if she tried to cover it up she'd be out on her behind instantly. To those using the meme "I'm going to ruin this woman's career" you are literally right. Nanny West will never get another job at any estate in England again. Her only hope would be to travel abroad and even then everyone would still want to know her history. At best she might get a job at a pub waiting tables. More likely she is headed for the poor house.
@@kuhn2016 Well, again, I don't know what he would do, but if it were me, I think within about 1/267th of a microsecond, I'd have been right in that nanny's face, my nose about a quarter of an inch away from hers, after which she'd have been subjected to a torrent of blue language & verbal chastisement the likes of which had never before been heard in the upper strata of British society, and at a volume that could have been heard as far away as Belfast...
Thomas would make a good Slytherin. He looks out for others but also thinks about how to advance his own position. I do think he genuinely cares for the children, especially little Sybil as in a sense she's an outsider like him.
Come on, Thomas was a nasty, horrible evil human being in the first seasons. He tried to harm so many people, especially poor Bates. I think that the change in his character in the later seasons was the only one which wasn't believable in this series
The way Cora kept her temper under control when putting Nanny West in her place is an example of tranquil fury. She looked peaceful outside, but inside, she was raging like an EF5 category tornado. 🌪
@@djr6876Yes it was the British Way back then. Not sure how it bodes today. But in the "upper circles" of the class, the level of education typically had great influence on reaction and behavior otherwise.
I absolutely LOVED Edith's response to Isobel about how she's still a grandmother. Had it been real life, you'd have to imagine that would have been the first time Isobel would have come anywhere close to a smile since the tragedy.
I love Thomas..lol I love how he says "because I didn't want to" when asked why he didn't relay the message to miss Patmore. He is quick on his feet. I especially like how his character grew.
I like Thomas too. I mean I understand he's a bit of an a****** but can you imagine living in a world where you can't be yourself? Where you can never be with somebody you love where even those who suspect you of being who you are think you're disgusting and worthless. He does some horrible things but he also does some amazing, heroic things. we have to remember that even when he's doing hateful things he hasn't known much besides hate
It's not quick on your feet to say "because I didn't want to" - that's standard if you don't want to do something (not witty) but yeah, I agree - I like Thomas and think he's misunderstood.
@@huwwilson650 listen Thomas is quick on his feet and I was not saying just because he said that, that now it means he's quick witted. I was making two statements ..but thx
I think because no one protected Thomas when he was a child (He mentions his relationship with his father wasn't a good one) It's sparked something inside him to protect Miss. Sybbie and Master George
a I know, that was another of her bullying tactics. I'm referring to when Carson sees Isobel, and Isobel says she wanted to see George, but Nanny West decided it wasn't a good time. (Doubt Cora'd have been as meek as Isobel and just walked away if Nanny West had DARED tell her she couldn't see Sybbie-her granddaughter!) Isobel should have asked herself how her old friend the Dowager would react on being told she wasn't allowed to see one of the children-and done likewise!
It wouldn't have been me. Nanny West is not above Isobel. I'd been like, "Stop me bitch" before mowing her down. That scene was literally unbelievable to me.
@@alexanderjones9572 Isobel was too broken hearted at that time to fight back. I´m sure in any other time she should´ve insisted her way into the nursery.
IronAngel505 .She was playing on Isobel's grief after Matthew's death. Isobel was so worn out she couldn't take a conflict with Nanny West ( however much Nanny West deserved it) so soon after losing her son years before he should have died.
Nanny West's crimes include: 1:12 - preventing the other servants from befriending the children 1:34 - giving orders to fellow servants 4:43 - possibly starving Sybbie 5:20 - getting above herself 6:22 - preventing Isobel from seeing her own grandson 6:45 - trying to get George to think himself better than Sybbie 6:47 - referring to Sybbie as a "chauffeur's daughter" 6:54 - menacing and insulting Sybbie 6:58 - calling Sybbie a "crossbreed", as if she weren't human 7:08 - trying to cover her tracks 7:34 - lying about her abuse of Sybbie Plus, Nanny West abusing Sybbie is also an insult to the memory of Sybil, who was her mother's favorite. Small wonder Cora wasted no time in giving West the sack! In short: good riddance to bad rubbish!
Absolutely and if it had been me faced with that kind of a Situation I would have seen to it that Nanny West would never get a position in any house as she was the worst and I say good on you Cora
well Branson's is Irish Catholic, the rest of the Crawley family are British Anglican. So since Irish weren't consider to be real "British" people.. Then there's the other half-breed, noble daughter + former servant.
Notice how George frequently got all the adoration and Sybbie wasn’t allowed to be doted on. She wanted Sybbie to know early on she was not worthy of the House of Grantham, and if allowed to continue she would have grown up feeling neglected and possibly abused. Thomas may have had the ulterior motive of revenge when he told Cora about his suspicions but it’s clear he also knew that the children were in danger.
People did that with girls then. "Oh, you can't inherit because you're not a boy!" Or they'd favour the boys over the girls. Both of my grandmothers did that. When it comes to my niece and nephews, I try hard not to play favourites.
There’s also a chance that if Nanny West had stayed a few years more, all that doting would’ve gone to George’s head and affected how he treated Sybbie, and Sybbie herself would’ve internalised from a very young age that she wasn’t “good enough” or that something was wrong with her, which in turn would have affected her own behaviour and relationships.
Barrow: "I would remind you that I knew this young girl's mother." West: "That doesn't make you her friend." Barrow: "As a matter of fact, it does." Nice to see Thomas calling Sybil (or does he mean Sybbie?) as his friend..
I think Thomas somewhat considered Lady Sybil to be his friend. As he staded himself, she was the only person who was ever nice to him, so was he the only servant who burst out crying when she died.
@@rachaelm7084 Aye, forgot that one. Think since then she was the only one safe from his actions. Good for the family, he eventually became loyal. The man was extremely dangerous, first he did lots of damage by mistakes and plotting, later on when asked to do something Lord Sinderby's butler, on only almost ended the butler's whole career, but also the Lord Sinderby's whole career.
People call Thomas evil, those children will be under his protection no matter what. So glad he told Cora who caught Nanny West being abusive to little Sybbie.
Thomas was not evil. Thomas was abused because of being gay. He was so busy protecting himself that he couldn't see kindness when it was right in front of him.
Does anyone notice Thomas' change in tone when he says "Why can't miss sibbie have an egg to her tea?" He was suspicious straight away. Anyway if Thomas had of done what Nanny west had asked then something would be said to nanny west about "why did you say sibbie couldn't have the eggs" Nanny west would lie and then Thomas would get in trouble. So Thomas was smart to not follow those instructions especially to be able to prove that she was neglecting Sibbie.
Poor Isobel. Honestly, her being denied access to George would have been enough, never mind her unacceptable treatment of Sybbie. It's sad no one seemed to notice that insult to a grieving grandmother.
Thomas is a very complex character. He is very scheming, also very sensitive. This show does point out how hard it must've been for a gay person in these times. Wonderfully acted by Rob James Collier 🙂
"You're a grandmother.And I know you're going to be a wonderful one."One of Lady Edith's best lines.She opened Mrs. Crowley's eyes that she was still needed by Lil George.
I always liked Thomas. He's been horrible mostly but you could always tell there was something tragic about him, a good person deep down, struggling to show it.
This is why Thomas is one of my favorite characters. Sure he’s petty but quite loyal and brave to those close to him. There was also that incident with saving Jimmy which was very selfless.
Thomas was devastated by Sybil’s death, she always treated him with kindness and working side by side with him made him see how special she was. It makes complete sense that he would be protective of Sybbie
Agreed. More or less the same cast of characters throughout the entire series, not one of them except maybe Robert is where you'd expect them to be at the end of the first episode!
When I first saw this when the episode aired I could not believe that she spoke to Sybbie with such venom. I loved how Thomas had Nanny West number! And Cora...props to a woman who can make badass so classy.
I kind of wish Carson or the Dowager was with her though. The Dowager would have knocked her down even further and Carson would not have made sure she left that Night vs the next morning.
"If you go through here, and down the stairs, you can tell her yourself! 😃 " and "Because I didn't *FEEL* like it!" are my favorite Thomas lines...!! 🤣
The nanny prevents their grandmother from visiting, I suspect because she viewed Matthew’s mother as ‘low class’, and she was also starting to cut back on Sybbie’s food. It was a good thing Thomas acted when he did. She could have done serious damage to Sybbie’s mental and physical well-being.
Mrs. Crawley is only a grandmother to one of the 2 nursery children- George who will one day inheirt the estate from his Grandpa. She isn't the grandma of Sybil Jr, more like a great aunt or something
Bates reaction to the fact that Barrow managed to get rid of Nanny West.... Priceless... And I will like to imagine a scene where Thomas is observing Nanny West departing... --- that will be awesome to watch ----
Love the irony of how you think Thomas' claims towards Nanny West aren't real, when they in fact are because she's semi-rude to all the characters and even worse to the kids. Props to Cora for taking her down swiftly. Would've loved to hear Mrs. Hughes' opinion on the many before the cut.
@Kate DiLiberto Oh not her trying to bully the Dowager. I am talking about some other scenario occuring where the Dowager may have put her down. Maybe her finding out Nanny West would not let Isobel see George and dealing with it. Or she saw Nanny West doing something she did not like and dealt with her. Just to name a few possibilities.
Never mess with Barrow! I think he was suspicious of the nanny from the start, as he was surprised that she wouldn’t allow him to interact with or touch the children without her permission, but he probably thought she was just uppity and controlling. He was initially being petty in his dislike of her, for the most part, but his hunch was right when he was told Sybbie couldn’t have eggs. That’s when he knew she was evil. 👏🏻
Thomas may be a difficult soul to understand, but his heart and loyalty is the right place. I admire how he cares for the children, who in some manner bring out the best in his character. His torment is softened by his guardianship of the children. A classy act in such a man, to be sure...
I think Thomas is unusually perceptive when it comes to the mistreatment with children. It’s highly implied that he was abused as a child. There is a scene where Bates slams him against the wall to threaten him, and Thomas doesn’t even blink. Abuse toward himself doesn’t even phase him anymore, but he was able to pick up on the subtle signs that Nanny West was mistreating Sybbie. He might have given up on the human race, but he’ll do anything to break the cycle and make sure no child is treated the way he was growing up.
@@DellaStreet123 Single parent children were put in orphanages, especially in the U.S., usually when the mother died and the father was not able to take care of them. Sometimes the parent would visit, and sometimes take them home when things were better, but sometimes the parent was never seen again.
I had the privilege and honor of visiting Highclere Castle during a recent trip to England. I found the estate very charming and comfortable for a grand home. Thoroughly enjoyed chatting with the wonderful ladies in the gift shop.
Thomas was a real douche like 99% of the time before a certain event took place. His affection for the children showed us a different side for him that I couldn't help but love to pieces. Thomas really confused me while watching. I both hated him and loved him at the same time, and moments like him looking after the kids just really made me love him all the more despite his douche behavior to the other servants most of the time. I'm happy with where the show, movie took him. I wish we got see more of his devolpment and his relationship with the new generation though.
I think Barrow had a rough time growing up, with him having to hide his sexual orientation. I could see his behavior at the start of series is due to years of being bullied for who he is, that he masked his insecurity by becoming a bully himself as a defense mechanism. Also, having O'Brien as a partner in crime allowed him to amplify their aggression. Only after O'Brien left that we see improvement in Barrow behavior, as he no longer could justify his actions and becoming aware how it affects his relationship with other member of staff (plus his experience during the war)
@@julianaayuyahya I completely agree. What did it do to people to know that being who they were was illegal, immoral and perverted, and for which they could go to prison? If I remember correctly, he had family issues as well. Where would he learn to be a loving, caring person, in the shadows they had to hide in? I think much of Thomas's behavior was, as you said, a defense, to hurt first to protect himself. He was able to open his heart though. Thomas had alot of substance, not a one note character like Mary or many of the others.
Thomas is a crack up. He really became very likable the last couple seasons. Hilarious storyline here. I miss Downton Abbey so much. Once it was over, I was like, “now what”. It was like that familiar place you go for comfort was gone. So sad.
I always liked Thomas, but I loved him butting heads with Nanny West. I would've been exactly the same way with her. Being so rude and uppity. Besides he knew something was off about her from the beginning. I also loved Cora sacking Nanny West. You can tell she's barely containing her rage. Love it.
Because she was originally middle class and not wealthy like the rest of the family is why I think Nanny West didn't let her see George. She obviously has a twisted idea about class.
I love how great comforter Edith was for Isobel here. She actually seems to be great person to comfort and listens to others. Maybe that's the reason why Cora and Robert were ignoring her for most of the time, she could handle many situations and they thought she didn't need their attention
No, they genuinely didn’t appreciate her. They called their own daughter „poor old Edith“ and Lord Grantham even said having Edith taking care of them in their old age was „ghastly“! Plus they never stood up for Edith when Mary openly bullied her.
Penelope Wilton is an amazing actress. She really puts forth the exhaustion and apathy of the recently bereaved. I loved watching her character come back to life after Matthew's death.
My childhood was tormented by the same behavior of my paternal uncle and aunts. Even my grandparents would torture me by loving and admiring their favorite grand kids. I would get constant criticism and taunts. I was not even a teenager and was always stressed.
When she spoke down to him she gave him an excuse to look into her actions more carefully. That her actions proved... less than admirable, shall we say? Is hardly Thomas' doing. No, she was snobbish toward him and his class, and sloppy about concealing her mistreatment of Sybbie.
We all love Thomas in this part because he acted because he did not like nany West But I think he does it because he wanted to protect the children! He also was affected after Sybil's death, and taking care of her daughter was such a nice detail for her! I think he will be like the protector of the children like Carson waa with Mary, Edith and Sybil 💕
If you didn’t notice, Thomas was picking up on the vibe that the nanny preferred the boy over the girl. The nanny clearly preferred the boy and she was withholding food from the baby girl.
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"please don't touch the children, not without my permission"
*"what"*
lmao makes me laugh every time
Well he was a servant.
The way he said ’what?’ was a bit too modern 🤣
@@barbarat5729 So was she
his face kills me
"Besides, why can't Miss Sybbie have an egg to her tea?"
THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES!!
It’s implying Nanny West was (to an extent) starving Sybbie
@@lefinlay Oh I didn’t think of it like that!
@@lefinlay Yep, if it wasn't for Thomas, Sybbie would have ended up malnourished.
can you explain what does means? an egg instead of tea?
@@saraparker184 Tea probably meant morning/afternoon tea which is more like a light meal
Nanny: please don't touch the children, not without my permission
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Thomas: what 👁️👄👁️
This fucking killed me
Lol the hat 😂
LMAOO
I actually agree. Dont touch baby without permission! Nanny West was bad because she hate Siby as "half" Crawley
Ha ha ha!! Spot on!!!!
Nanny: **neglects and mistreats Sibby**
Thomas and Cora: *"So you have chosen... death."*
Literally. To be sacked at her age without references would have most likely end up in the work house
Wait did workhorses exist in the 1910s 💀
@@hufflepuffbee8384 Yes, my grandmother and her children went to one when my grandfather died in 1910
@@laurafiller1849 serves her right tbh
If Thomas had known he would have snapped her neck and everyone at downton would have said she fell down the stairs
I love how Thomas just turns around like "WTF? I actually did something good for once?" when Cora says they owe a debt to him. Haha. XD
I suspect that Thomas thought he'd be at war with Nanny West for a much longer time to come, and never expected to suddenly discover that he'd won. He might have been on the side of the angels this one time, but we've got to remember that, as far as he knew, he was actually lying when he told Cora about Nanny West neglecting the children. He has no idea what just passed the night before, and probably thought, "Wait, those lies I told, they were actually true?"
@@christopherhuang9501 Not necessarily. Nanny West let it slip that she'd left the children alone *twice* while talking to Thomas. He may not have known she was verbally abusing Sybbie, but I think he gathered she wasn't doing her job properly.
Christopher Huang no he wasn’t lying. He saw Sybil was being treated differently. Example when the nanny wouldn’t let her have egg with her tea.
@@lonelyratgirl3688 Either that or (as I interpreted it anyway), he just somehow picked up on an instinctual level that she just wasn't suitable as a nanny.
@Ber P. why exactly is he a traitor? He somehow knew she wasn't suited as a nanny. May it be her way of interfering with him or because he genuinally cared for Sybille. The nanny was disrespectful towards him, so i do not see how he betrayed her, as they weren't on the same side. She made it clear, that she didn't want to be on a good basis with Thomas which lead to him telling Cora. But to betray someone (aka being a traitor) you have to be on one side. You can't betray your enemys.
Cora didn’t raise her voice once when she fired nanny west. She’s a badass!
Lady Grantham swooped in like an Owl hunting in the night. Swift, Quick, Quiet, and Perfectly executed!!
That calm voice can be more scary than yelling!
One of the most impressive scenes, to my opinion!
Ladies don't shout.
It was very intense and full of suppressed anger, resolved to get it over and done with as quickly as possible.
Thomas has a soft spot for children and it’s adorable
I love how his character was written to be like an uncle figure to the Crawley kids
He was also very kind to the blinded soldier in the hospital too, so he *can* be caring & compassionate when he wants to be.
Paul Cwick Yup, but people like Nanny West can die
He really has a soft spot for people who appreciate him and especially when they are nice to him. There are people who are so rude to him and especially him having the burden of being gay, I totally understand why to some people he is rude.
@@sammier.6125 Yeah, but on the other hand, even after Bates went out on a limb to help him on one occasion, Barrow still continued to be a jerk to both him & Anna, apparently forgetting the huge debt of gratitude he owed the man for helping him. So he's not entirely an angel, either...
No one ever comments on how wonderful Edith was to Isobelle. Everyone was so caught up in their own grief that they completely forgot that she has lost her child and must be suffering the most.
Excellent point! Thank you for pointing that out. :)
Lady Edith was forever overlooked and so was Mrs. Crawley. I appreciate how Lady Edith reached out to her in a time of grief and sorrow.
I always think of how Isobel must've suffered, losing her only child.
That's a good point. One of the things I love about Downton Abbey is that each character is complex. In some situations they're the good guy but in some situations they're the bad guy. You rarely see that in TV shows but it's reality for most people. Even Thomas is the hero in several situations.
nano15j i noticed, and yes, Edith was stellar with Isobelle. It was at that moment that they surely must've bonded. It was touching and genuine and a lovely moment. Edith was wonderful here.
Really love how Thomas looks out for Sybil's daughter. He picks up something wrong right away and becomes not only little Sybil's but all the children's guardian angel. Sybil'd have been touched and grateful by this undying friendship and kindness.
@Aquarius Lovegood Well, he did love the children at Downton, so maybe it was both a personal vendetta and him looking out for the kids 😉
Although I think that Thomas did it because he didn't like it that Nanny West was ordering him around. I love that this is one of the few times that his scheming actually resulted in something good for someone other than him.
Thomas was very affected after Sybil's dead...
It was so cute when he talked to Sybbie 😊
He will be like Carson with the Crawley sisters!
@Aquarius Lovegood I think it's a little bit of both but you notice even after Nanny West leaves he has a soft spot for all of the children.
@@andreasoto5205 oh I think he will be. I think it'll be kind of cute because he'll probably still be the butler when little George takes over. Probably similar to how Carson was with Robert because they mentioned person came into the house as a whole boy or something like that when he was very very young. So he probably would have been around when Robert was little. Personally I would absolutely love it if they had a Downton Abbey movie that starts when little George is grown and in charge of Downton with Mary taking the role of The Dowager Countess
You always dislike Thomas and then he does something like exposes the abusive nanny’s and saves Edith from certain death in her bedroom. An antagonist for most of the show but performs some of the most heroic actions without thinking.
virginiasmiles☺ i always liked him
I liked him the second I saw him and I knew immediately how he was misunderstood and I hate to hear people say how cruel he is. And him doing things like that made me realize even more how he really is just misunderstood 😊
@@sammier.6125 He can be misunderstood and still be a manipulative, cold-hearted bastard. I only began to warm a little about him after the Jimmy incident. And even then I despised him when he was blackmailing Baxter to force her to spy on Lady Cora.
?,?, yeah He just got lucky with the nannying incident. I never really liked him as a character because he truly is just a mean person. Of course there is more complexity to his character than that but at pretty much every point in the show he’s an antagonist.
?,?, I’m confused we were just commenting about a fictional character and then you made a sexist comment and complained about people’s lives a hundred years ago... how were those relevant?
Cora is a quiet storm. She was absolutely livid, and yet never raised her voice. What a Lady.
Cause she is a mom. Mom's can get angry but god help you if you hear one whisper.
@@jamiebarringer4019 Maybe the main reason Cora didn't get loud was to avoid shocking and frightening the children. It sure took a lot of self control to keep her voice down, as furious as she was.
@@rowanaforrest9792 That's actually a very good point, I didn't think about it when I watched that episode.
Also, the fact that she wanted to stay in the room personally instead of fetching Anna or someone else shows how protective of the kids she was in that moment. It wasn't only about West being a bad nanny, she was genuinely worried that she could do something else to the babies before leaving
@@Micaerys West was also holding a baby. I don't think she wanted to raise the stakes, until there were more hands on deck so to speak. It's an extremely terrifying scenario.
@@CleverGirlAAH Very true
One of Thomas’ biggest victories in the show: he didn’t scheme, he simply observed Nanny West and looked after these children because he genuinely loves them. That’s how he got Nanny West properly fired for being a terrible woman. I was glad about his action this time, really
True. However, I think that this was more of an example of Barrow scheming for a different reason. He was slighted by Nanny West and he was getting back at her. To his surprise, he was right (but in a different way unbeknownst to him). I think that this was a first important step on his redemption arc though. It must have felt good to do something good for once. And, of course, he did love the kids -- especially Sybie.
Ber P. How is he a traitor for protecting the children? Sure he had other selfish motives, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he also cares for the children, especially Sybil, and saw she was being treating differently and that it needed to be addressed. Whether it was for all the right reasons or not it was the right thing to do, not traitorous like his past actions actually were.
@Ber P. Oh grow up. What a stupid remark.
Ber P. HAHAHAHAHA YOU REALLY ARE DISTURBED GTFO
@Ber P. Another trolling remark from you. You exaggerate a claim of rape when all he did was try to kiss him after being fed lies by O'Brien that Jimmy had feelings for him and spoke of it constantly. Idiot.
The smile on Thomas' face when he sees Sybbie in her pram is one of genuine pleasure. He cares about her not only because of her mother, he really cares for the daughter as well. Sybil had a gift for accepting people as they are and helping them to better themselves, Thomas knows what a rarity she was. It is no wonder he is protective of her daughter. Good on Cora for listening to him even though she isn't fond of him. As gentle as Cora is, I'd bet she was holding back from physically harming Nanny West.
It was because it involved her grandchildren. He told her both and then you saw them talking without hearing the rest of it. No way Cora was going to brush it off. What confuses me a bit is why not let Thomas say hi to Sybbie when she obviously hated her? Had she left that alone, she would have gone undetected for longer. That being said, she clearly liked having control and she made the mistake of pissing off Thomas. I would love to have seen her try this with Carson. Maybe Bates as well because he was protective of the family.
It's clear that Thomas has a soft spot for children, based on the way he acts with little Sybbie and later little George. It makes sense in a way. Thomas is lonely and isolated from other people, (yes, partly because he can be really evil sometimes.) He says straight out that very few people have ever been kind to him, and also the fact that homosexuality was outlawed would cause him to become bitter towards people. But no matter how scummy he can be, he is genuinely kind and gentle with the children. Probably because he feels that young children are innocent enough to like him without judgement.
Yeah, really! At that point, she probably wanted to wring the nanny's neck!
@@melindoranightsilver9298 Thomas gets lucky. He does mean things and sometimes in spite of that, he gets lucky.. like when he saved Edith... or when he stole Isis to "find her". He just wanted to get Nanny into trouble and struck lucky that she had been very nasty to Sybbie so Cora sacked her on the spot...
To be fair--the thought of Nanny saying straight out that she had left two children of that age on their own would've been cause for sacking or at least a severe reprimand--the fact that she was being abusive to Sybbie was icing on the cake.
This is one of my favorite mini-story lines, Barrow hating on Nanny West literally saved little Sybbie. She was going to grow up full of trauma, nannies could've made or break great people back then. George VI is one example of how children suffered at the hands of evil nannies and how parents were clueless of how their children were being raised.
For sure, and it still goes on. Wealthy people still let their nannies raise their kids, and many of them are cold or cruel. Many historical figures were traumatized by evil nannies and absent parents. I don't think it would have happened with Sybbie though since Tom was more there for her and with her than the Crawleys were for their kids.
I didn't have a "nanny," but did have a horrible babysitter when I was five years old. My dad was a single parent and I never said a word about the abusive situation that he was delivering me into....didn't want to rock the boat. But my advice is for children who are being abused...ROCK THAT BOAT!
What happened with George VI and his nanny
@@briancheuy7703 when he was a child and being nannied, the parents would come to visit their children. His nanny used to pinch him to make him cry so he'd be handed back quickly; and other times, she wouldn't feed him.
@@richenuff01 same here. Still traumatised by that. They took my self confidence away. Now working to get it back.
Thomas’s savage level in this video: 100%
Sansa Stark Thomas’ savage levels 100% to the 8th power 😂😂
And was the first time he rightfully had to be.
6:15 The fact that a grieving Isobel was denied access to her grandson by West is infuriating, she really thought big of herself, good riddance, good job Thomas !
That was so cruel of Nanny West. I was so wishing in that scene that a member of the family would have overheard and walked straight back to the nursery with Isobel and warned Nanny West to NEVER turn away little George's grandmother.
Right? She was truly a hobgoblin - good riddance & well done Cora AND Thomas! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I've known teachers and health care givers like West. So full of hate and prejudice.
I like how Thomas is like a reincarnation of Carson in how they act towards the children like how Thomas acts towards Sybie and George like how Carson acts towards Mary
Makes you think how George and Sybbie will probably defend him with all they have once they're older. I love it.
A reinCarson
I love how Thomas stands for Sybil's daughter, it reminds me how sad he was when her mother died and how Anna looked after him in his grief.
1:15 I love it so much
“Because I didn’t feel like it” Thomas is such a badass. He’s full of mixed emotions like a soft spot for children and he can get sassy when people are trying to get under his skin. Thomas is my favourite character in downtown abbey
EXACTLY. People always misread his character as just being “petty” or “evil” (which is always annoying) and completely forget how complex and interesting of a character he is.
**cough** he’s the best character **cough**
Lol I love his nonchalant sass and savagery
He's my favorite too! I love how he grows and becomes someone who is more and more capable of loving and being loved by the family he's found.
@@eucalyptused People can't ''always'' misread him as you can see many fans of this character in the comments. You are not the only ''special'' one.
Same. I love him and always cheered him on. ❤
"Because I didn't feel like it!" What a mood!! 😅
“Who needs sleep” is such a mood in my opinion 😆
I wish I could tell the boss that at work!
Been there 😂
Also, I don’t even think that it’s his job to tell Mrs. Patmore, and it’s not Nanny West’s place to give Barrow orders.
Certainly! A great mood to be in😂,the way Thomas delivered the statement was absolutely brilliant! I shall use it frequently from now on to intolerable people
I love how Cora doesn't raise her voice one bit, but owns the room and gets shit done.
For those that don't understand why Nanny West was SO panicked... the moment Cora made clear she was leaving in the morning her life was done. Back in those days a reference was EVERYTHING. Without one you would get hired no where. And you couldn't have a gap in your records because houses talk... everyone would know she worked for the Crawleys and if she tried to cover it up she'd be out on her behind instantly.
To those using the meme "I'm going to ruin this woman's career" you are literally right. Nanny West will never get another job at any estate in England again. Her only hope would be to travel abroad and even then everyone would still want to know her history.
At best she might get a job at a pub waiting tables. More likely she is headed for the poor house.
Nanny West deserves everything that comes to her!
Good riddance to her!
Who doesn't understand this though? This was quite obvious.
All because she thought it was right to discriminate and abuse a defenseless baby girl
She exemplifies the hazards of choosing the wrong career 😮
I wonder what Tom Branson would have done if he had heard what Nanny West said to his daughter.
Well I don't know, but being half-Irish myself, I have a pretty good idea...!
Paul Cwick what will he do?
@@kuhn2016 Well, again, I don't know what he would do, but if it were me, I think within about 1/267th of a microsecond, I'd have been right in that nanny's face, my nose about a quarter of an inch away from hers, after which she'd have been subjected to a torrent of blue language & verbal chastisement the likes of which had never before been heard in the upper strata of British society, and at a volume that could have been heard as far away as Belfast...
I'd say they would've been burying her next episode.
@@gerardcollins6621 No, but her eardrums (and possibly her cerebral cortex) would've been quite blistered from the ordeal for quite some time...
Thomas would make a good Slytherin. He looks out for others but also thinks about how to advance his own position. I do think he genuinely cares for the children, especially little Sybil as in a sense she's an outsider like him.
harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Slytherin
As a Gryfindor I approve. I also approve lady Mary being a good slytherin
Come on, Thomas was a nasty, horrible evil human being in the first seasons. He tried to harm so many people, especially poor Bates. I think that the change in his character in the later seasons was the only one which wasn't believable in this series
As a Slytherin, I agree 100%. But I elect Lady Mary as our house representative.
Where should we sort Mrs.Hughes
The way Cora kept her temper under control when putting Nanny West in her place is an example of tranquil fury. She looked peaceful outside, but inside, she was raging like an EF5 category tornado. 🌪
She is a true lady
I agree..
It’s the English way.
@@djr6876Yes it was the British Way back then. Not sure how it bodes today. But in the "upper circles" of the class, the level of education typically had great influence on reaction and behavior otherwise.
When Cora marched in and hit the bell/buzzer, she knew she was in trouble.
"When your only child dies your not a mother anymore, you're not anything really. "Omg when she said that i balled my eyes out. Shes just so precious
I absolutely LOVED Edith's response to Isobel about how she's still a grandmother. Had it been real life, you'd have to imagine that would have been the first time Isobel would have come anywhere close to a smile since the tragedy.
Her words were SO STRONG, I don't think any other character made me aware a little more about what child's loss is for a parent
I have lost a daughter recently and I'm still her mother even though she has passed away.
@@teresapineda4120 I'm so sorry... blessing and healing to you.
@@teresapineda4120you're right. Once you're a mother, you're always one, in my book. I hope you have some peace.
I love how Thomas looks after the kids ❤️
No doubt, especially Sybil; Thomas and Sybil-the Mother-the two of them were a great team and you can tell how he gets her.
Ai Em at first time in the hole series I like him .❤️
lol, right! More like putting the nanny in her place!
He would have been a good father.
9:47 Thomas repeatedly looking back at Mr. Bates being like "do you hear this?" is hilarious
And Bates is like “yes. Yes I do.”
I love Thomas..lol
I love how he says "because I didn't want to" when asked why he didn't relay the message to miss Patmore.
He is quick on his feet.
I especially like how his character grew.
I like Thomas too. I mean I understand he's a bit of an a****** but can you imagine living in a world where you can't be yourself? Where you can never be with somebody you love where even those who suspect you of being who you are think you're disgusting and worthless. He does some horrible things but he also does some amazing, heroic things. we have to remember that even when he's doing hateful things he hasn't known much besides hate
@@juliecastillo914 Having seen the new film I have so much more respect for the character and what he endured
I love Thomas too he’s just misunderstood
It's not quick on your feet to say "because I didn't want to" - that's standard if you don't want to do something (not witty) but yeah, I agree - I like Thomas and think he's misunderstood.
@@huwwilson650 listen Thomas is quick on his feet and I was not saying just because he said that, that now it means he's quick witted.
I was making two statements ..but thx
I think because no one protected Thomas when he was a child (He mentions his relationship with his father wasn't a good one) It's sparked something inside him to protect Miss. Sybbie and Master George
I'd have loved to see Carson's reaction when Isobel told him that Nanny West had basically stopped her seeing George ( her grandson)!
It was Sybbie that she didn't let Thomas see.
a I know, that was another of her bullying tactics. I'm referring to when Carson sees Isobel, and Isobel says she wanted to see George, but Nanny West decided it wasn't a good time. (Doubt Cora'd have been as meek as Isobel and just walked away if Nanny West had DARED tell her she couldn't see Sybbie-her granddaughter!) Isobel should have asked herself how her old friend the Dowager would react on being told she wasn't allowed to see one of the children-and done likewise!
It wouldn't have been me. Nanny West is not above Isobel.
I'd been like, "Stop me bitch" before mowing her down.
That scene was literally unbelievable to me.
@@alexanderjones9572 Isobel was too broken hearted at that time to fight back. I´m sure in any other time she should´ve insisted her way into the nursery.
IronAngel505 .She was playing on Isobel's grief after Matthew's death. Isobel was so worn out she couldn't take a conflict with Nanny West ( however much Nanny West deserved it) so soon after losing her son years before he should have died.
Cora ripped Nanny West to shreds without even raising her voice! Now, that's class and dignity!
Nanny West's crimes include:
1:12 - preventing the other servants from befriending the children
1:34 - giving orders to fellow servants
4:43 - possibly starving Sybbie
5:20 - getting above herself
6:22 - preventing Isobel from seeing her own grandson
6:45 - trying to get George to think himself better than Sybbie
6:47 - referring to Sybbie as a "chauffeur's daughter"
6:54 - menacing and insulting Sybbie
6:58 - calling Sybbie a "crossbreed", as if she weren't human
7:08 - trying to cover her tracks
7:34 - lying about her abuse of Sybbie
Plus, Nanny West abusing Sybbie is also an insult to the memory of Sybil, who was her mother's favorite. Small wonder Cora wasted no time in giving West the sack!
In short: good riddance to bad rubbish!
Kelaiah01
Except the series conclusively proved that Cora loved all her children equally. Sybil wasn’t a favorite above Mary or Edith.
Absolutely and if it had been me faced with that kind of a Situation I would have seen to it that Nanny West would never get a position in any house as she was the worst and I say good on you Cora
well Branson's is Irish Catholic, the rest of the Crawley family are British Anglican. So since Irish weren't consider to be real "British" people.. Then there's the other half-breed, noble daughter + former servant.
Also called her wicked. Agree with every point!!
@@su-rv2uq and people wondered where JK Rowling got her ideas from /jk (ok..that wasn't intentionally).
I know Barrow had his moments... but Sybil made one hell of an ally by being kind to him. He'll never let anyone harm her daughter.
Notice how George frequently got all the adoration and Sybbie wasn’t allowed to be doted on. She wanted Sybbie to know early on she was not worthy of the House of Grantham, and if allowed to continue she would have grown up feeling neglected and possibly abused. Thomas may have had the ulterior motive of revenge when he told Cora about his suspicions but it’s clear he also knew that the children were in danger.
People did that with girls then. "Oh, you can't inherit because you're not a boy!" Or they'd favour the boys over the girls. Both of my grandmothers did that. When it comes to my niece and nephews, I try hard not to play favourites.
There’s also a chance that if Nanny West had stayed a few years more, all that doting would’ve gone to George’s head and affected how he treated Sybbie, and Sybbie herself would’ve internalised from a very young age that she wasn’t “good enough” or that something was wrong with her, which in turn would have affected her own behaviour and relationships.
Barrow: "I would remind you that I knew this young girl's mother."
West: "That doesn't make you her friend."
Barrow: "As a matter of fact, it does."
Nice to see Thomas calling Sybil (or does he mean Sybbie?) as his friend..
I think he means both
Lady Sybil was his friend.
He was the servant most affected by her death.
I think Thomas somewhat considered Lady Sybil to be his friend. As he staded himself, she was the only person who was ever nice to him, so was he the only servant who burst out crying when she died.
They both served in the hospital together.
@@rachaelm7084 Aye, forgot that one. Think since then she was the only one safe from his actions. Good for the family, he eventually became loyal. The man was extremely dangerous, first he did lots of damage by mistakes and plotting, later on when asked to do something Lord Sinderby's butler, on only almost ended the butler's whole career, but also the Lord Sinderby's whole career.
Felt nice to see Nanny West put into her place by both Thomas and Cora!
People call Thomas evil, those children will be under his protection no matter what. So glad he told Cora who caught Nanny West being abusive to little Sybbie.
Thomas was not evil. Thomas was abused because of being gay. He was so busy protecting himself that he couldn't see kindness when it was right in front of him.
Plus he saw kindness as weakness or a way to get to people! I always thought that Thomas was misunderstood!
Mrs. Hughes needs to be in the Olympics for how quickly she got to that room.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games
Right, she climbed 3 flights of stairs in less than 30 seconds.
I’m sure it can be assumed that she was somewhat nearby.
LOL
@@hexpsyche but the switch that Cora clicks at 7:02 goes to the bell system that rings in the servants hall downstairs
Does anyone notice Thomas' change in tone when he says "Why can't miss sibbie have an egg to her tea?" He was suspicious straight away. Anyway if Thomas had of done what Nanny west had asked then something would be said to nanny west about "why did you say sibbie couldn't have the eggs" Nanny west would lie and then Thomas would get in trouble. So Thomas was smart to not follow those instructions especially to be able to prove that she was neglecting Sibbie.
Yep. He was his usual petty self until he picked up on that -- most likely because of his own treatment
I love how Thomas says "What?" I swear he says it just how I imagine a meme sounds
Poor Isobel. Honestly, her being denied access to George would have been enough, never mind her unacceptable treatment of Sybbie. It's sad no one seemed to notice that insult to a grieving grandmother.
Thomas is a very complex character. He is very scheming, also very sensitive. This show does point out how hard it must've been for a gay person in these times. Wonderfully acted by Rob James Collier 🙂
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"You're a grandmother.And I know you're going to be a wonderful one."One of Lady Edith's best lines.She opened Mrs. Crowley's eyes that she was still needed by Lil George.
Mrs. Hughes at 9:10 saying that it's not for her to have an opinion, but then goes on to give her opinion is so relatable😭😂
“You’re a grandmother” Edith was such a lovely character
I can’t help liking Thomas, he’s a real badass too.
I always liked Thomas. He's been horrible mostly but you could always tell there was something tragic about him, a good person deep down, struggling to show it.
He's a manipulative asshole, but his being a struggling and confused gay character helps keep the show interesting.
He was my favorite character
This is why Thomas is one of my favorite characters. Sure he’s petty but quite loyal and brave to those close to him. There was also that incident with saving Jimmy which was very selfless.
Mr Barrow for the WIN!!!
And Cora too!!
Nazgul Lord Mr Bawwow
ToutCQJM Exactly how George said it in the last episode!! ‘Goodbye, Mr Bawwow.’ 😀😀
Thomas was devastated by Sybil’s death, she always treated him with kindness and working side by side with him made him see how special she was. It makes complete sense that he would be protective of Sybbie
"you mean she mistook you for a servant?"
"but he is a servant"
"don't tell him that, he'll never get over the shock"
Thomas’ “What? 😀” at 1:15 is so funny 😂
it’s the like the “what the fawk😃😃😃” meme lmao
I still think this is one of the best written shows ever. Each characters got to develop and the storylines were fantastic.
Agreed. More or less the same cast of characters throughout the entire series, not one of them except maybe Robert is where you'd expect them to be at the end of the first episode!
When I first saw this when the episode aired I could not believe that she spoke to Sybbie with such venom. I loved how Thomas had Nanny West number! And Cora...props to a woman who can make badass so classy.
I kind of wish Carson or the Dowager was with her though. The Dowager would have knocked her down even further and Carson would not have made sure she left that Night vs the next morning.
'Because I didn't feel like it!' 😂😂😂😂
Thomas's facial expressions in that scene - *priceless*
"If you go through here, and down the stairs, you can tell her yourself! 😃 " and "Because I didn't *FEEL* like it!" are my favorite Thomas lines...!! 🤣
"WHAT?" His facial expressions is so hilarious...
The nanny prevents their grandmother from visiting, I suspect because she viewed Matthew’s mother as ‘low class’, and she was also starting to cut back on Sybbie’s food. It was a good thing Thomas acted when he did. She could have done serious damage to Sybbie’s mental and physical well-being.
Mrs. Crawley is only a grandmother to one of the 2 nursery children- George who will one day inheirt the estate from his Grandpa. She isn't the grandma of Sybil Jr, more like a great aunt or something
“Ask her yourself; why don’t you?” Good on you Thomas putting her in her place!
Bates reaction to the fact that Barrow managed to get rid of Nanny West....
Priceless...
And I will like to imagine a scene where Thomas is observing Nanny West departing...
--- that will be awesome to watch ----
Love the irony of how you think Thomas' claims towards Nanny West aren't real, when they in fact are because she's semi-rude to all the characters and even worse to the kids. Props to Cora for taking her down swiftly.
Would've loved to hear Mrs. Hughes' opinion on the many before the cut.
I would have liked for her to have had a scene with Carson, her bossing HIM around, trying to bully him. Or even her and the Dowager.
@Kate DiLiberto Oh not her trying to bully the Dowager. I am talking about some other scenario occuring where the Dowager may have put her down. Maybe her finding out Nanny West would not let Isobel see George and dealing with it. Or she saw Nanny West doing something she did not like and dealt with her. Just to name a few possibilities.
Poor Nanny West didn't know the first rule of Downton; Don't mess with Thomas.
more like don't mess with ANYONE at Downton Abbey family OR servants
Mr Bates reaction is iconic. He didnt say a word or beat an eyelash but you could see that he was rolling his eyes on the inside. Acting.
Never mess with Barrow! I think he was suspicious of the nanny from the start, as he was surprised that she wouldn’t allow him to interact with or touch the children without her permission, but he probably thought she was just uppity and controlling. He was initially being petty in his dislike of her, for the most part, but his hunch was right when he was told Sybbie couldn’t have eggs. That’s when he knew she was evil. 👏🏻
1:12 ''Don't touch the children without MY content''
Thomas and me: did I stutter?
I love how wide Cora's eyes get and the look on her face when she says "Why, what's happened?" It gets me every single time I watch it!
Thomas may be a difficult soul to understand, but his heart and loyalty is the right place. I admire how he cares for the children, who in some manner bring out the best in his character. His torment is softened by his guardianship of the children. A classy act in such a man, to be sure...
I think Thomas is unusually perceptive when it comes to the mistreatment with children.
It’s highly implied that he was abused as a child. There is a scene where Bates slams him against the wall to threaten him, and Thomas doesn’t even blink.
Abuse toward himself doesn’t even phase him anymore, but he was able to pick up on the subtle signs that Nanny West was mistreating Sybbie.
He might have given up on the human race, but he’ll do anything to break the cycle and make sure no child is treated the way he was growing up.
Very good observation! And I think there is actually one scene where Thomas makes a comment about his loveless childhood in an orphanage.
@@Celisar1 Thomas didn't grow up as an orphan, he still had a father. However, according to what he told Baxter, his father didn't like him.
@@DellaStreet123 Single parent children were put in orphanages, especially in the U.S., usually when the mother died and the father was not able to take care of them. Sometimes the parent would visit, and sometimes take them home when things were better, but sometimes the parent was never seen again.
That ‘What’ Thomas made - PRICELESS!!!😆
I had the privilege and honor of visiting Highclere Castle during a recent trip to England. I found the estate very charming and comfortable for a grand home. Thoroughly enjoyed chatting with the wonderful ladies in the gift shop.
Thomas was a real douche like 99% of the time before a certain event took place. His affection for the children showed us a different side for him that I couldn't help but love to pieces. Thomas really confused me while watching. I both hated him and loved him at the same time, and moments like him looking after the kids just really made me love him all the more despite his douche behavior to the other servants most of the time. I'm happy with where the show, movie took him. I wish we got see more of his devolpment and his relationship with the new generation though.
amberanime indeed good analysis.
I think Barrow had a rough time growing up, with him having to hide his sexual orientation. I could see his behavior at the start of series is due to years of being bullied for who he is, that he masked his insecurity by becoming a bully himself as a defense mechanism. Also, having O'Brien as a partner in crime allowed him to amplify their aggression.
Only after O'Brien left that we see improvement in Barrow behavior, as he no longer could justify his actions and becoming aware how it affects his relationship with other member of staff (plus his experience during the war)
@@julianaayuyahya I completely agree. What did it do to people to know that being who they were was illegal, immoral and perverted, and for which they could go to prison? If I remember correctly, he had family issues as well. Where would he learn to be a loving, caring person, in the shadows they had to hide in? I think much of Thomas's behavior was, as you said, a defense, to hurt first to protect himself. He was able to open his heart though. Thomas had alot of substance, not a one note character like Mary or many of the others.
Plus him always making time to play with the children is adorable to watch.
Can we just take a minute to appreciate the wonderful score this show had? So lovely.
It always makes me think of a happier time. I just love the music and this show.❤
Thomas is a crack up. He really became very likable the last couple seasons. Hilarious storyline here. I miss Downton Abbey so much. Once it was over, I was like, “now what”. It was like that familiar place you go for comfort was gone. So sad.
I always liked Thomas, but I loved him butting heads with Nanny West. I would've been exactly the same way with her. Being so rude and uppity. Besides he knew something was off about her from the beginning.
I also loved Cora sacking Nanny West. You can tell she's barely containing her rage. Love it.
Ugh, my heart broke for Isobel... Nanny West wouldn't let George's own Grandmother see him... that pisses me off.
Because she was originally middle class and not wealthy like the rest of the family is why I think Nanny West didn't let her see George. She obviously has a twisted idea about class.
Cora's eyes when Thomas is about to spill some tea at 5:50.
"WHY. O_O WHAT'S HAPPENED."
I JUST NOTICED THAT LMAO
Barrow is a GREAT character. Complex, villainous at times, but ultimately so interesting.
Mrs Hughes makes me laugh in this scene! “It’s not for me to have an opinion…but I will say…”. 😂
That and the “Nanny West’s been sacked. So that’s fun for tomorrow” 🤣
I love how great comforter Edith was for Isobel here. She actually seems to be great person to comfort and listens to others. Maybe that's the reason why Cora and Robert were ignoring her for most of the time, she could handle many situations and they thought she didn't need their attention
The curse of the middle child!
No, they genuinely didn’t appreciate her. They called their own daughter „poor old Edith“ and Lord Grantham even said having Edith taking care of them in their old age was „ghastly“!
Plus they never stood up for Edith when Mary openly bullied her.
Penelope Wilton is an amazing actress. She really puts forth the exhaustion and apathy of the recently bereaved. I loved watching her character come back to life after Matthew's death.
thomas barrow…a hero hidden in darkness
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness
@@SuperGreatSphinx LMAO
My fathers family was mean to me and nice to my cousins when i was a kid. My mom stopped communication. Some people are just evil to certain children
You didn't deserve that. No child does.
That’s heartbreaking. But your mom is a hero.
My childhood was tormented by the same behavior of my paternal uncle and aunts. Even my grandparents would torture me by loving and admiring their favorite grand kids. I would get constant criticism and taunts. I was not even a teenager and was always stressed.
Wow poor you
Cora coming in like the badass grandmother she is
Barrow is so so good looking in these scenes. His eyes are incredible
He wasn't just hating her because she spoke down to him. He really did have a bad feelings about her.
When she spoke down to him she gave him an excuse to look into her actions more carefully. That her actions proved... less than admirable, shall we say? Is hardly Thomas' doing. No, she was snobbish toward him and his class, and sloppy about concealing her mistreatment of Sybbie.
omg that little smirk thomas sends to bates - he's such a cutie pie
This woman has absolutely no idea who she's dealing with.... Thomas is not to be trifled with...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Downton_Abbey_characters#Thomas_Barrow
**gay and badass wrath intensifies**
Loved Thomas from his very first scene. Never hated him for a moment even when he was being his most deceitful and he is fantastic in the movie!
The film has added so much depth to his character.
I've never been as happy for anyone or have loved someone more than Thomas in the Film, he was absolutely fabulous!!!
I love Thomas so much!!! He's so quick witted and openly shows he doesn't care for other peoples crap
We all love Thomas in this part because he acted because he did not like nany West
But I think he does it because he wanted to protect the children!
He also was affected after Sybil's death, and taking care of her daughter was such a nice detail for her!
I think he will be like the protector of the children like Carson waa with Mary, Edith and Sybil 💕
If you didn’t notice, Thomas was picking up on the vibe that the nanny preferred the boy over the girl. The nanny clearly preferred the boy and she was withholding food from the baby girl.
One of my favorite scenes with Cora!
"Because I didn't feel like it." Classic Barrow! Love it!
I felt so bad for Isobel in these moments. You could tell she was really hurting
To be honest I loved his relationship with George later in the series, it was so wholesome.
Mary: Poor little orphan.
Anna: He's not an orphan. He's got his mother. Orphans haven't.
Mary: He isn't poor either, come to that.
Lol
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan
Okay, that orphan line broke my heart
“Well, I can’t stay here to bandy words.” 🤣 The look 9n her face when she was saying that.
all I heard...
Gandalf...
"I will not stand here and bander words with a wittless worm!"LOTR
👍😊😄😅😃
Thomas was definetly not
a wittless worm.
Dawn Christensen Oh yeah, I remember that from the movie.
1:41 Nanny West's face.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣Nice one, Thomas.😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Best lines from Thomas "WHAT" "Because I didn't feel like it"