Jordan was an excellent leader, Pippen was a horrible teammate - Doug Gottlieb | NBA | THE HERD
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2020
- Episodes 7 and 8 of the Michael Jordan documentary 'The Last Dance' have premiered, and Doug Gottlieb joins Colin Cowherd to give his takeaways. The two discuss Jordan's leadership abilities, as well as Scottie Pippen's decision to bench himself when he was unhappy with Coach Phil Jackson's play. Plus, they talk the possibility of the NBA continuing after the pandemic, and what that could mean for both players and owners.
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Jordan was an excellent leader, Pippen was a horrible teammate - Doug Gottlieb | NBA | THE HERD
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Was Scottie Pippen wrong for sitting out the last play in Game 3 of the 1994 Eastern Conference semifinals?
Wrong. Yes. It was the coaches call and if you disagree with him then that's on you. That's why it's called the head coach!
Yes. But more importantly, a pathetic and disgusting display by Doug Gottlieb peddling conspiracy nonsense. You shouldn't have let him continue to talk and spin things with all his "yeah buts" and "whatabouts". So disrespectful to the Jordan family, as well as David Stern
@@srsr28 gottlieb is an ex con scamming people out of money. i dont know how he has the gall to say anything about anybody else
Pippen made one terrible choice, completely out of character. Too proud (ego) to admit the error by saying he’d do it again. He wouldn’t, knowing the damage to his reputation. The other players LOVED the guy. Jordan was right, it was a stain that never went away. A shame really.
The Herd with Colin Cowherd : Justified but ill-advised. But that doesn’t make him a bad teammate. Why were they trying so hard to promote Kukoch? Pippen has helped deliver a 3-peat! They disrespected him.
Doug is a prime example of everything wrong with the media, you don't have to be so disrespectful or completely arrogant for the sake of a potential story.
He was a bank robber! Doug yeah but he really was a nobody. Well he killed MJ father right so now we know he's a somebody
He’s not the only one from this channel lol Nick wright and Shannon even more delusional
Never really had an issue with Doug until now
really.... you weren't listening to him carefully then lmao
Chris Roberts all the stupid things he’s said and you never had issue with him
Same here
@@tangaraspeedgoda7436 bias was shown clear
*first doug segment watched confirmed* jkjk lol
Doug Gottlieb and jason whitelock need to be off tv already
“Pippen’s a horrible teammate” yet he was getting paid one of the lowest salaries in the league as a top 10 player on a team that won 6 titles. Tf is this guy talking about? This MJ doc got y’all acting like he was the only good guy in the bulls organization knock it tf off
Tbh he got advised not to sign it but yh this doc has many fanboys from different factions bugging
Jordan Davis exactly.
Pippen was paid top 10 in the league at the time he signed. Length was the issue which he decided to do lmao.
@@xDELFYonceagain Shut up troll
Pippen was a Top 3 player
1 Jordan
2 Hakeem
3 Pippen 🤷🏽♂️
Imagine Calling a hall of famer who helped the Goat win 6 rings "a horrible teammate" 😂. Pippen was one of the first people Jordan thanked in his HOF speech smh.
He was all these are facts was a horrible team mate the hall of fame is just a museum that's all it every player in there has flaws I watched that when it happened and toney made the shot and they won so right decision iverson was in hall he was a ball hog that never put forth any effort in practice of course Jordan is going g to give him credit scottie was a really good player but not going on the court in playoffs when game is on the line terrible move
What do you expect from a credit card conman.
@@Alphasports576 Iverson averaged 7+ assists his career, and he did that mostly with a 76ers team that was absent of a second scorer (until a past his Prime C Webb got there) and of course Melo in Denver. Just because players have flaws doesn't make them a bad teammate. I'm sure you can pick the worst moment in a lot of Star players Career and then label them a "Bad Teammate". Complete Nonsense 😂
No avg 6 and 41 percent from field which is bad field goal percentage we talking practice
Their talking about his first exist when pippen was the leader
“It was random because the guys weren’t criminals” while one was a bank robber! Lmao
@Ada Ghost Doug has his own show?
“ they didn’t have a history of violent crime”. Nobody does until they do!! Duh
“When LeBron leaves a team, the team falls apart. When MJ leaves a team, the league falls apart”.
Lol. That statement just ended the GOAT debate. IMO, never was an argument.
This is true .. This is also why we say the league was weak in the 90s...
If LeBron left the league in the middle of his career he would have had the same effect...
@@andrewsandeen9118 wrong
Christian Kemp nah he’s only kinda right. Like yeah the league would change but not like when Jordan left cause he was winning every ring. Both times he retired everyone felt like they actually had the chance. Lebron’s teams have never been that dominant
I don’t really like Doug. He comes off as arrogant and very 1 sided. He doesn’t ever think he wrong. Talks like he 100% right and never agree with no one thoughts. Has a answer for everything to
Exactly!! He is very judgmental considering his own history of stealing credit cards.
docquan louallen hes so annoying and narrow minded
Having an opinion is what defines a good talk show host. Js
He sucks AND blows.
Get this clown Gottlieb off the show
He's Colin's boy for some reason .... but he is a hot take negative artist. It gets old
He’s a punk
@@vivahernando1 Exactly!!!
@@Mhelias30 Agreed!!!
Gottlieb was an excellent thief
Can't wait for the 100 part LeBron docu-series "The Last Chance"
More like "the last hair plug"
Lol last chance for lebrawn to redeem himself for 2011 finals oo my bad cant happen cause dirk can say i owned lebron in the finals and my guy riding shotgun is JJ BAREA LOL JJ BAREA was better than lebron but u know ppl forgot bout that lmao
That’s funny af
@@benbeast4972 u do know it happened right, 2011 finals Dirk was the MVP and he had JJ BAREA and Jeson Terry aka "Jet" and had Jason Kidd hall of famer and Tyson chandler at center with Shawn marion lol that Dallas mavs team was the underdog and I better at the time that they would beat lebron and BAM it happened :p
@@benbeast4972 Lebrawn 3-6 LMAO
This documentary is beautifully made.
Lmao Doug treading dangerous waters talking about that gambling debt
Bro I swear people always talking about other peoples money like its their business. Everyone just count their own and keep it movin.
9:31 Doug is like foaming at the mouth to speak and Colin just gives up all hope for Gottlieb hahah
Gottlieb is a joke here
For crying out loud the man screws up one time and he goes from being the best teammate of all time to being the worst of all time. Sorry. Next.
To be fair; Pippen had issues in Houston and Portland. To me Pippen needed a Jordan type to stay in-line; when he played without Jordan its full of issues from the Bulls, Blazers and Rockets.
Can you name one other time a player refused to play in a playoff game because he wasn't taking the one last shot? Can you literally even come up with one example??
Except no one ever called him “the best teammate of all time”
@@mauricedoug314 Jordan did
Joshua Stephen Ward when?
A terrible teammate is someone who steals his teammates credit cards
Weak. Try to focus on the topic here
🤣🤣
Over my head. Who did that?
@@JoeSmith-iv3sf Doug Gottlieb
No way this title is real
Doug is usually good… but not this time. No Scottie, no championships.
Let the Pippen slander begin...
what y'all expect. Doug prays to Michael Jordan in the same temple as Skip
Cry
How tf is this man still employed by Fox?
Fox likes people who are controversial. Gottleib, Nick Wright, Rob Parker, Clay Travis, Cowherd, Skip. The only person on Fox who everyone seems to universally love is Shannon
@@jordan12118 coincidentally they're all idiots who know nothing about sport as well! Unlike Shannon.
Fox hires ex ESPN flunkies and guys who will say anything for views.
Lol you forgot fatlock he's the worst
@@hysenur8223 Damn I forgot about him cuz I don't watch his show lol
If the only person who spent time with me was "saving the bees,"
I will focus on that.
Forget about being a leader when no one else is normal.
When you said, "I guess..."
That should be used for succeeding in a record number of students who become teachers and foster parents.
The host did say they talk to sonic but his version didn’t line up with the others so they didn’t include him to confuse to viewers
Love you colin
My admiration for MJ just keeps going higher after each episode of this documentary. 🐐
Gottlieb is a hack. He thinks other people are dishonest because he’s dishonest. What do you expect from someone who entered a game with his shorts on the wrong way though
Scottie was a n essential player who never got love from the owners, who nickel & dimed him, then pursued Kukoc and seemed to value him more than pip. Understandable that he felt under appreciated and would act out.
People never stop being in love with airjordan
He would never say that to Scottie.
Did he talk to pippen's teammates about whether he was horrible or not I'm not sure but Doug is obnoxious. Jim Mora Jr punking him was hilarious
pippen is prolly the greatest teamate ever
One show says he was actually a much better baseball player then people gave him credit for and one show says he wasn't as good. I know what majority of people thought, but you'd think after the episode most would be on the same page
This aged well
Pippen couldn’t have been a horrible teammate. He put up with Jordan getting all of the glory, being underpaid, and with Jerry Krouse’s BS.
I wish the Sonics had kept Pippen. The Bulls might never have won any titles, but the Sonics would have won at least 4-5 of them...possibly more.
Scottie Pippen
Shawn Kemp
Gary Payton
Detlef Schrempf
Nate McMillan
Hersey Hawkins
Sam Perkins
Ervin Johnson
Vincent Askew
David Wingate
The scrubs/role players:
Eric Snow
Sherell Ford
Frank Brokowski
Steve Scheffler
That’s a title team right there.
As a former basketball and baseball player, people should give MJ an enormous amount of credit. Hitting a baseball is one of the most difficult things in sports. For someone to play extremely high-level baseball at 31 after not playing since 17 is an enormous accomplishment. It speaks to the level of his hand-eye coordination.
Also Doug is totally wrong. If not for the call in Game 5 of the 1994 ECSF vs the Knicks, the Bulls could have won the series. Pippen did have a great series regardless.
The people attack Doug are just as bad as he is. Which actually makes him even more vaild and the vicious responses is that they are attacking the Doug in themselves.
While @ the topic of having to interview people no longer with us.. how do you forget to mention The Architect- J. Krause?! Whatever your opinion of him, he did assemble the Jordan Bulls. 🤷🏻♂️
Pete Rose didn’t like to pay his gambling debts either. It’s one of the reasons he got exposed and ran out of baseball.
Man, it's easy to judge Scottie, huh?
never take a cows opinion, or in this case, a credit card thief’s opinion
Or it's simply a "I am part of a group, so let me fight for anthems."
Still talking about the bulls and Jordan? Isn’t there anything new and different to discuss?
1:00 Jesus Christ WTF!!
I actually hate someone more than Nick Wright. That’s impressive.
See, I knew Doug was always trash. All along.
Pip was lame for not going in he deserves to take heat for that but I don’t blame him for waiting in 97
Pippen makes one bad decision and takes himself out, gets called a horrible teammate. Let's not forget the countless other times Pippen put his teammates first. Not even mentioning his contract until now.
Jordan’s competitiveness alone can prove he didn’t bet on games
Or it can work to prove he did.....in his mind he could never lose
James Jackson and he was pretty much right
@@reedbowden2473 I agree so why would he not bet on himself
Gambling addicts don't know when to stop they think everything they bet on is a sure thing
Dude says it's not a true doc yet we all getting insights none of us had before the doc? What hasn't been a promotion since the invention of TV? C'mon man promotion & ads run everything in business he knows this right?🤔
Wow Gottlieb trying to stick with this conspiracy theory and defend the media side... guess it's hard to confront the fact that your perspective might be wrong
And if it wasn't for a botched game 5 call against bulls in Eastern Conference Semis they would have made Eastern Conference finals.....maybe nba finals
I dunno.... You hear teammates of Pipp's talk, and they've got nothing but good things to say about him. Every one of them will tell you Jordan was the better player, but Pipp was the better teammate.
Doug your trying to make headlines
Why do people have to make things all or nothing? Pippen was a great teammate, but had some really bad moments. LeBron and Olajuwon quit on their teams at different times. Dr J lost his cool once against Boston. Doesn't mean they weren't great, but they're human and flawed. When you play a high level sport for 15 years you'll have a few regrettable episodes.
or not
Pippen was the GREATEST teammate of all time and that's not just my opinion (Jordan and Rodman will back me up). It's like the old saying about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers....Ginger had to dance WITH the greatest, only she had to do it backwards and in high heels while Fred lead the dance. Not easy. John Adams was the greatest Founding Father, but he wasnt the first president (Washington), the best orator/document writer (Jefferson), the best Constitution writer (Madison), or the best diplomat (Franklin). He was the 2nd best at all of those things during his time...and had to be 2nd best under the large shadows of those other men. Adams was well aware that he wasnt going to be remembered like the rest...and it bothered him. To this day there is no "Adams Monument" and Adams doesnt show up on money. That's Pippen. Even Jesus asked God "Why have you forsaken me".....doesnt wash away the good things he did and doesnt make him a "horrible son".
This documentary is messing up my positive memories of MJ, he has been humanized to us all.
Good. He’s human. The mythology of Jordan was getting out of hand
Edis Delgado I totally disagree, he’s coming off better than ever on this doc. MJ is real and authentic. He doesn’t apologize for being him. Love the fact he doesn’t apologize cause he cared more than most about winning.
Edis Delgado Probably a good thing. No one is perfect
Jordan was a great leader. Pippen was a terrible teammate. Gottlieb is ALWAYS a horrible guest...
What about when lebron left? What happen to their team???
He was suspended and his dad was killed because he owed tons of money.... Your hero America
Stupid title.. Stupid subject.. Pippen is an all-time great... The team won over 50 games in 94.. Pippen lead the team in every category... They lost to the Knicks in a game 7... They probably would've made the finals the next year..
I tried but my stomach aches hearing Gottlieb... this guy was a bum as a player and a downright disgrace as a member of the media. His attention seeking takes are just nauseating. Definitely the BOAT. Bummiest Of All Time...
The MJ nuthuggers need to quit saying MJ was a leader. Phil was the leader! Most the teammates didnt like MJ. Rodman didnt even talk to MJ. Punching teammates and berrating them. . great leader 👍
Shut up! Pippen was a great teammate considered by almost everyone who played with him. He made mistakes but that won't take anything away from him as the sidekick to MJ and his contribution to the Bull's 6 championships. .
1. Any player that’ plays with Jordan and is 2nd best player behind Jordan is in a different scrutiny because there comparing him to what Jordan did
2nd. 57 wins with Jordan in 93 55 without Jordan 4th best record in nba
3rd took knicks to game 7 who beat pacers in 7 games who lost to rockets in 7 games. So don’t act like pippen was a terrible teammate
That team added Kerr, Kukoc, Longley, and Wennington. Not exactly the same team.
MJ left them as 3PEAT DEFENDING CHAMPION.
The Bulls Added:
- Toni Kukoc
- Luc Longley
- Steve Kerr
- Bill Wennington
Yet, they're just second round exit as defending champion (3peat).
What did MJ do to Doug? Jesus this fool was on ater ep 4 talking about how it looks like they aren't touching any of the "sensitive" issues and literally the last 4 episodes have been showing almost ALL of those incidents and he's still like "we gotta dig deeper on those".
If he's such a bad teammate, why did Jordan and Pippen win 6 rings and no finals losses. If pippen was bad, they would've never meshed. Seriously, an 8 year old has more logic than the media
Idiot
Doug talks like people care about his opinion. Dougs opinion is worse than skip with Lebron or will Cain. So extreme it’s not worth listening to. Colin is always relative and loses credit talking to gottlieb
Scotty Pippen, overworked and under paid!!
The big question is what did the Bulls do with all the money they made during both of these championship runs? Besides the two seasons where Jordan made $30m/p in 96-97 and 97-98, in his 14 years as a Bull he only made $4m twice. While Scottie agreed to his contract, he definitely out-performed his deal as well. The front office had every right to not renegotiate contracts. However, in view of their overwhelming success both on and off the court, it was a bad look to not allow players to enjoy the windfall they helped to create. This doesn't even take into consideration the appreciation of the Bulls value as a franchise.
They didn't have a any history, one was a bank robber. Yeah but.....😂😂
Not only that, but those guys were only 18 at the time. Every violent criminal has to have a first time.
Gottlieb is dumb for this take. You aren't a bad teammate for one act. He wants Pippen to be stained for a few mistakes while forgetting what he meant to the team. They don't win without Scottie.
Ridiculous take meant to generate controversy.
How many championship Jordan win without Pippen?
6
Rick H Really? What years did those 6 championships happen?
Aaron9 the exact same amount so let’s stop acting like one could’ve done it without the other.
@@jacjr6193 thank you somebody who see it my way. Mj was gone and Scotty was left with a great team and couldn't win with out MJ
@@jacjr6193 but one didn't do it with out the other. Are you guy this stupid pippen did play with a stacked team MJ built and left him and still they didn't win.....MJ was on a coke head team his first years developing as an NBA All-Star an a superstar
Jordan was an excellent leader, Pippen was a horrible teammate... funny because according to the doc the opposite is true.
I Dont understand all the negative comments everytime Gottlieb comes on the show. After Joel klatt he might be the best guest Colin has on.
Michael Jordan would have not bullied Rasheed Wallace!
Doug gottlieb and Jason Whitlock are locked in an eternal battle for the worst personality in sports media
Jordan wins zero titles without Scottie. Facts. Jordan without Scottie is like Allen Iversons career.
Facts.
How many rings lebron will have without dwade, bosh,love, kyrie? ....I will wait
@@m.davinci9285 0
@@m.davinci9285 anyway my point is to dismiss gottliebs take on Pippen being a horrible teammate
That's not a fact. What's a fact is pippen didn't win any without MJ. Proven fact
Doug is the worst
A lot of Jordan stans in the comments.
Gottlieb is the worst
now I'm unsubbing. Doug is too much off an attention seeking clown
No Pippen. Jordan doesn’t even get 3 rings